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The Kenny Report | 4 November · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Laura from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me for another week here on the
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  Speaker 2: Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Just two more sleeps till we see who will be
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  Speaker 3: the leader of the free world for the next four years.
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  Speaker 3: I'll cross to Paul Murray live from Dallas, Texas for
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  Speaker 3: the latest, and I'll give you a little insight into
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  Speaker 3: the political genius of Donald Trump. Back here, Labor flicks
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  Speaker 3: the switch to election campaign mode, but it's still in
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  Speaker 3: strife over airline upgrades, even though the opposition backed off
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  Speaker 3: in question time.
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  Speaker 2: The renewables plague across our landscape. A new animation puts
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  Speaker 2: it all into perspective.
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  Speaker 3: On the panel tonight, Gemutine Union, Caroline dr also as
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  Speaker 3: ever on a Monday, plus Sophie Elsworth on media Shenanigans.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: I reckon the Albenezy Labor government, which is hardly even
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  Speaker 3: started to govern, has already given up on governing in
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  Speaker 3: two months before Christmas, in their second year in power,
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  Speaker 3: Love switched back to what Labor does best, campaigning.
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  Speaker 1: Our Prime Minister Anthony Albert Ezy.
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  Speaker 3: That's, of course why we saw upgrade elbow in Adelaide
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  Speaker 3: yesterday trying to upgrade his image by hanging out with
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  Speaker 3: popular Premier Peter malanawskis, an effective right faction and mainstream
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  Speaker 3: Labor politician.
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  Speaker 2: This was like an election launch.
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  Speaker 3: With political rhetoric detached from reality.
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  Speaker 4: This is a time for building, building better education for all,
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  Speaker 4: building more homes for Australians, building the cleaner and cheaper
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  Speaker 4: energy to cut our emissions and power our homes and
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  Speaker 4: our industries.
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  Speaker 2: But they're not building high homes.
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  Speaker 3: That's the problem. Education standards are in retreat. And cheaper
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  Speaker 3: energy really Labour's renewables zelotry continues to push prices higher
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  Speaker 3: and they're promising more of the same talk about leading
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  Speaker 3: with your chin.
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  Speaker 2: One aspect that really.
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  Speaker 3: Stood out as a campaign pitch, though, was this promise
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  Speaker 3: on student loans.
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  Speaker 4: Today I announced that if we win the next election,
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  Speaker 4: we will deliver more help for all three million Australians
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  Speaker 4: with a student debt. A re elected Labor government will
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  Speaker 4: take twenty percent off student debt for everyone who has won.
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  Speaker 3: Really, they're in government, you know, they're not in opposition.
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  Speaker 3: Parliament is sitting this week and through to the end
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  Speaker 3: of the month, and instead of doing this, actually doing
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  Speaker 3: this instead of governing.
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  Speaker 2: Labor offers it as a promise if.
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  Speaker 3: They're re elected, a sixteen billion dollar program they don't
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  Speaker 3: have to budget for because it's conditional on the next election.
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  Speaker 3: And once more, just like with shrink flation, it seems
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  Speaker 3: Alban Easy is taking his queue from.
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  Speaker 2: The US and today I'm announcing new plans. I would
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  Speaker 2: cancel student debt for millions.
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  Speaker 4: More re elected Labor government will wipe up the twenty
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  Speaker 4: percent off your student debt.
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  Speaker 3: All this is part of Labor, a part of Labour's strategy.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, to move on from the Prime Minister's quantus
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  Speaker 3: upgrade scandal, the very minister supposed to be selling the
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  Speaker 3: student loan promise has confessed to asking for an upgrade.
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  Speaker 5: That was a personal tripper. And that was a situation
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  Speaker 5: where I had just got out of hospital, I had
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  Speaker 5: surgery on my leg and yep, I asked for upgrade.
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  Speaker 2: I was and I was assisted by Quannas.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he asked for a quantus upgrade. He got a
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  Speaker 3: valuable upgrade, which means he asked for a gift and
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  Speaker 3: got a gift, which means he's in breach of the
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  Speaker 3: ministerial code. Even though he wasn't a minister at the time,
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  Speaker 3: he was a shadow minister. But as I showed you
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  Speaker 3: last week, it forbids ministers from asking for gifts.
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  Speaker 2: That's the standard you should adhere to.
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  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister didn't do a media conference or take
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  Speaker 3: any questions at that Adelaide event yesterday, so he went
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  Speaker 3: five days without media interviews, hiding from the upgrade story.
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  Speaker 3: And with Parliament back today, he probably knew he could
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  Speaker 3: hide no longer, so he appeared on the ABC where
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  Speaker 3: he was asked to rule out ever having requested upgrades,
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  Speaker 3: including via his staff.
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  Speaker 6: It's a simple question to you, did anyone in your
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  Speaker 6: office more.
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  Speaker 1: Necessarily not to my knowledge, No, not to your knowledge. Again,
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  Speaker 1: that's upgrades.
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  Speaker 4: These upgrades you're talking about a thirty year period.
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  Speaker 3: So with the key issues being ducked, this controversy extraordinarily
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  Speaker 3: wasn't raised in question time, with the Opposition focusing instead
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  Speaker 3: on the cost of living, my.
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  Speaker 7: Question is to the Prime Minister, is Australia in a
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  Speaker 7: household recession? A household recession is a technically defined term,
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  Speaker 7: and we would expect a yes or no answer for.
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  Speaker 8: How many months have Australian suffered under Labour's household recession.
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  Speaker 8: It's a very specific question for how many months have
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  Speaker 8: Australian suffered under the Treasurer's household recession?
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  Speaker 3: The cost of living is the number one topic, There's
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  Speaker 3: no doubt about that. But that's all the more reason
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  Speaker 3: to attack labor over its snouts in the trough hypocrisy,
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  Speaker 3: as Johannesleik brilliantly summarized it on the weekend. With the
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister and Treasurer at the front of the plane
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  Speaker 3: sipping champagne, Jim Charmer's urges a focus back onto the economy.
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  Speaker 3: Economy shrinks albow, horrified at the thought of a flight
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  Speaker 3: in the cheap seats.
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  Speaker 2: Now, sure, we know plenty of Coalition.
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  Speaker 3: MPs might be exposed for taking upgrades. I believe up
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  Speaker 3: to ten of them might have to declare upgrades they've
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  Speaker 3: already taken. But the Education Minister is in strife and
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  Speaker 3: Albanezi remains exposed. Did his staff ask for upgrades on
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  Speaker 3: his behalf? This stuff needs to be forensically examined on
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  Speaker 3: behalf of taxpayers, and that's the opposition's job.
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  Speaker 2: I'm told they'll pursue it through other means.
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  Speaker 3: Today, a handful of independent and tear MPs quit the
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  Speaker 3: VIP lounges of both major airlines to avoid the perception
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  Speaker 3: of a conflict of interest. But given MPs rack up
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  Speaker 3: millions of frequent flyer points courtesy of taxpayer funded flights,
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  Speaker 3: then at the very least they should pay for upgrades
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  Speaker 3: with their points. Clearly the current rought can't be allowed
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  Speaker 3: to continue. In the meantime, the election campaign continues more
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  Speaker 3: sloganeering than actual governing.
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  Speaker 4: Building on the strong foundations we have laid, building together,
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  Speaker 4: building to last, our labor government, building Australia's future.
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  Speaker 3: Building a building, building, It's pretty clear we won't see
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  Speaker 3: another budget from Labor. Even if Parliament does sit for
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  Speaker 3: a week or two in February. Some insiders are now
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  Speaker 3: focusing on April twelfth as a possible election date.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be a long campaign.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of the election, let's look at a new organization
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  Speaker 3: hoping to play a role the Muslim vote.
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  Speaker 2: This group isn't a political party.
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  Speaker 3: It's about backing candidates who support its views. So it's
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  Speaker 3: like an Islamist version of the telbacking Climate two hundred
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  Speaker 3: and it's an even bigger worry. Have a look at
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  Speaker 3: this flyer for its launch dinner, to be held later
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  Speaker 3: this month. It promotes five speakers, all Muslim religious and
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  Speaker 3: academic leaders, including this man, shake Ibrahim de Doun, who
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  Speaker 3: you remember from his dire tribe in Sydney last year
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  Speaker 3: on the day after the October the seventh atrocity in Israel,
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  Speaker 3: I'm slightly, I'm smiling, and I'm happy.
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  Speaker 2: That's a day of courage.
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  Speaker 3: Look, everyone in a democracy is free to vote for.
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  Speaker 2: Any legitimate candidate, but any candidate.
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  Speaker 3: Associated with this bloke should not be worthy of anyone's vote,
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  Speaker 3: and any organization linked to him ought to be beyond
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  Speaker 3: public support. His disdainful basic humanity displayed in that reaction
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  Speaker 3: to the October the seventh atrocities is just chilling and sickening.
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  Speaker 3: It was vile and hateful anti Semitism, glorifying, glorifying terrorist murder,
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  Speaker 3: rape and kidnapping. The Muslim vote wants to be seen
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  Speaker 3: as a respectable actor in our political scene, but it
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  Speaker 3: can't be serious if it's prepared to showcase this bloke.
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  Speaker 2: It's a real challenge for our system, isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: We believe in tolerance, but how can we tolerate this
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  Speaker 3: extreme intolerance?
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  Speaker 2: The US election always makes history.
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  Speaker 3: There's no escaping, but it'll be especially so this week.
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  Speaker 3: Either America for the first time will elect a woman
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  Speaker 3: as president, if woman is not too much of a
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  Speaker 3: binary term these days. I hope I didn't trigger anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, if she did nothing else, would stand forever
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  Speaker 3: as an historically significant figure for that reason alone. They
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  Speaker 3: might give her the Nobel Peace Price for being an
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  Speaker 3: elected just like they did with Barack Obama. On the
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  Speaker 3: other hand, if Donald Trump wins, he'll be only the
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  Speaker 3: second president to serve a term and lose and then
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  Speaker 3: come back to win a second term. That hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: done since Grover Cleveland in eighteen ninety two. The pollowing
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  Speaker 3: indicates this will be tired. It might come all the
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  Speaker 3: way down to just one state, Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Harris's campaign has been all about style over substance, avoiding scrutiny,
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  Speaker 3: avoiding issues, and allowing the party machinery to do the
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  Speaker 3: job of demonizing and defeating Donald Trump. It might work
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  Speaker 3: because it did last time. So to that extent, Harris
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  Speaker 3: is a boring candidate, little more than a figurehead for
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  Speaker 3: a political machine. Trump, of course, is the opposite. He
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  Speaker 3: dominates the political machinery. He backs his own instincts. He
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  Speaker 3: loves a fight, and he offends all of the media
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  Speaker 3: and the political establishment.
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  Speaker 2: And he's been at it again.
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  Speaker 1: To get me, somebody would have to shoot through the
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  Speaker 1: fake news.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't mind that so much.
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  Speaker 9: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Look.
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  Speaker 3: I hate this sort of violent imagery as many of
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  Speaker 3: you do.
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  Speaker 2: But I just want to highlight how.
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  Speaker 3: The real genius of Trump is the way he uses
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  Speaker 3: outrage to shape the mainstream media, who, as you'd realized,
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  Speaker 3: tend to never run anything positive about him or highlight
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  Speaker 3: the issues he wants to focus on.
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  Speaker 2: There was a classic case last week when Trump said
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  Speaker 2: this about former Republican Liz Chainey.
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  Speaker 1: She's a radical warhawk. Let's put her with a raphel
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  Speaker 1: standing there with nine barrel shooting at her. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: see how she feels about it, you know, when the
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  Speaker 1: guns are trained on her face.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Trump is clearly branding her a warmonger, saying it's
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  Speaker 3: easy to be a warmonger when you won't.
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  Speaker 2: Face any action yourself.
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  Speaker 3: But I reckon he uses the outrageous language deliberately to
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  Speaker 3: get attention onto that issue. If he just called her
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  Speaker 3: a warmonger. There's no way the mainstream media would bother
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  Speaker 3: covering it. But because of these language, they froth with
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  Speaker 3: outrage and slam him. But they have to run the grab,
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  Speaker 3: and he then gets to make his key political point
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  Speaker 3: to a broader political audience. Look at them spread this
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  Speaker 3: message while they condemn him. Yesterday, during a fireside chat
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  Speaker 3: with Tucker Crossing, though, he used a violent language and
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  Speaker 3: imagery suggesting former GOP Congresswoman Liz Cheney should.
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  Speaker 2: Have guns pointed at her face.
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  Speaker 10: Listen, his daughter is a very dumb individual, very dumb.
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  Speaker 1: She's a radical warhawk.
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  Speaker 9: During the event in Arizona, not only did Trump call
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  Speaker 9: President Joe Biden a stupid bastard than Kamala Harris quote
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  Speaker 9: a sleeze bag. In true autocratic fashion, he took it
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  Speaker 9: even further, openly fantasizing about violent retribution against one of
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  Speaker 9: his political opponents, former Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney.
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  Speaker 11: Trump calls for cheney execution, and he says that she
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  Speaker 11: should have nine guns trained at her face. Let's put
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  Speaker 11: her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting
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  Speaker 11: at her firing squad.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, Yeah, and the reaction just ovastates the case and
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  Speaker 3: gets people back onto Trump, doesn't it. I think it
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  Speaker 3: was a similar strategy back during the debates when Trump
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  Speaker 3: referred to social media memes about Haitian immigrants in Springfield.
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  Speaker 4: They're eating the dogs, the people that can amen, they're
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  Speaker 4: eating the cats, they're eating the pets of the people
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  Speaker 4: that live there.
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  Speaker 3: Again, Trump wants to talk about immigration. He wants to
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  Speaker 3: talk about communities facing crime and social pressures because of
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  Speaker 3: uncontrolled immigration. But the mainstream media goes out of its
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  Speaker 3: way so often to avoid those issues. So Trump again
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  Speaker 3: had them attacking him, but they end up talking about
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  Speaker 3: immigration and trouble in some communities. He got them onto
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  Speaker 3: his issues again, whether it's exposing media bias, pushing an
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  Speaker 3: isolationist agenda against foreign wars, or the lack of border
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  Speaker 3: security and uncontrolled immigration. Trump uses outrage as a political tool.
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  Speaker 3: Trump's mainstream media critics love condemning him, They've done it
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  Speaker 3: for a decade, but he's the master of directing them
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  Speaker 3: to cover issues they'd rather ignore. This is part of
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  Speaker 3: the unique political genius of Donald Trump. Well know in
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  Speaker 3: a couple of days whether it's enough for him to
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  Speaker 3: win another term in the White House.
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  Speaker 2: We'll just go to Dave Sharma and camera just a moment.
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  Speaker 3: But first off, I just want to clarify what I
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  Speaker 3: said in that opening editorial.
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  Speaker 2: Our politicians don't.
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  Speaker 3: Get frequent flyer points any longer for their official travel.
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  Speaker 3: They don't get those frequent flyer points. But I stand
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  Speaker 3: by my point. If they've received upgrades from Quatas or
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  Speaker 3: from other airlines, I believe they should have to pay
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  Speaker 3: for those upgrades with their own personal frequent flyer points,
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  Speaker 3: no matter how they've accumulated them. Let's got to Dave
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  Speaker 3: Sharma and our liberal senator from New South Wales joining
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  Speaker 3: us in camera.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Dave.
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  Speaker 3: But why did the opposition choose not to pursue the
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  Speaker 3: upgrade scandal in Parliament today?
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  Speaker 12: Look, we've been pursuing it at estimates. I've been in
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  Speaker 12: the Senate today, Chris, so I haven't seen the House
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  Speaker 12: of Representatives.
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  Speaker 2: We have been pursuing it at estimates, though.
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  Speaker 12: I think we have been pursuing the issue or weak
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I think to me there's a legitimate question
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  Speaker 12: if the minister who's responsible for regulating in his industry
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  Speaker 12: seeks and solicits and receives upgrades from a dominant player
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  Speaker 12: in that industry. I think that raises obvious questions of
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  Speaker 12: a potential conflict of interest, and I think it's right
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  Speaker 12: that the media, but also you know, asks the opposition
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  Speaker 12: to then focused on that this past week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no question in question time though.
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  Speaker 3: Now some of your colleagues told me, oh, that's because
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  Speaker 3: you can't ask the Prime Minister questions about his time
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  Speaker 3: as Transport Minister. But a simple question about whether or
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  Speaker 3: not he's ever asked for an upgrade.
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  Speaker 2: Would seem to be would seem to be pertinent.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I don't run question time tactics for the House
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  Speaker 12: of Representatives, but I think, look, there remains, as there should,
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  Speaker 12: a high level of interest in this topic. I think
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  Speaker 12: Anthony Aberneze he still has some questions to answer as
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  Speaker 12: to other senior members of his front bench, and it's
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  Speaker 12: important they do so.
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  Speaker 3: And there's no doubt you get some interesting answers pursuing
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  Speaker 3: it through estimates.
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  Speaker 2: You're going to ask the departments of various questions.
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  Speaker 3: But there's no way you can get the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 3: in front of estimates to ask him any direct questions.
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  Speaker 2: Am I right?
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  Speaker 12: No, you can ask departmental secretaries, as many of whom
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  Speaker 12: are also you have frequent flight programs or airline lounge memberships.
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  Speaker 12: But no, you're right to ask the Prime Minister directly,
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  Speaker 12: it's a press conference or it's questions on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I've got no doubt that there will be some
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  Speaker 3: of your coalition colleagues who have gone through their flights
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  Speaker 3: and wanted to clear their upgrades.
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  Speaker 2: And that's only right.
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  Speaker 3: All these upgrades should be declared, and if they're doing
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  Speaker 3: it belatedly, let's get it up there.
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  Speaker 2: That'll be embarrassing for everyone.
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  Speaker 3: But I would have thought the rules here are pretty
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  Speaker 3: clear and you don't really need new rules. So the
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  Speaker 3: rules say that ministers shouldn't ask for upgrades, and that
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  Speaker 3: it's very clear as to why that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: You don't ask for gifts.
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  Speaker 3: It says the ministers shouldn't ask for gifts, and an
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  Speaker 3: upgrade obviously is a gift, and that same standard should
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  Speaker 3: apply just to all politicians. Politicians should adhere to a
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  Speaker 3: ministerial code like that. No politicians should have asked ask
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  Speaker 3: people for a gift. It's just a matter of people
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  Speaker 3: adhering to those standards, isn't it.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think it's a common sense test to public probity.
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  Speaker 12: I mean it is in a ministerial code of conduct.
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  Speaker 12: You're right that you know. I don't think any public
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  Speaker 12: officials should be soliciting a gift. I just don't think
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  Speaker 12: it's the right.
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  Speaker 2: Look, it's not you know.
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  Speaker 12: Where We're only in the position we're in because voters
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  Speaker 12: have put us their voters have put their trust in us.
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  Speaker 12: There's nothing in hat about us where representatives are the
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  Speaker 12: people in these roles, and we need to make sure
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  Speaker 12: we're seen to be serving their interests and not looking
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  Speaker 12: after our own personal or private interests.
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  Speaker 3: In this role, we'll get back to cost of living
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  Speaker 3: issues again, and that's where the opposition is focused today.
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  Speaker 3: But while I got you tonight, we've often spoken to
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  Speaker 3: you about Middle Eastern issues because everyone knows you're a
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  Speaker 3: former Australian ambassador to Israel, but you also served as
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  Speaker 3: a diplomat in Washington, so you know how the American system.
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  Speaker 3: You must be watching this election contest with an enormous
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  Speaker 3: amount of interest. Do you believe, you know the polls
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  Speaker 3: have got it right, that it's going to go right
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  Speaker 3: down to the wire and it's too difficult to choose
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  Speaker 3: who's going to win.
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  Speaker 12: I'm really not sure what to believe, Chris. I mean,
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  Speaker 12: the Poles have obviously been wrong on a number of
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  Speaker 12: major geopolitical events, Brexit, the twenty sixteen election, even the
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  Speaker 12: twenty twenty election where the polls vastly overstated Joe Biden's
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  Speaker 12: level of support and that ended up being a close result.
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  Speaker 12: So I'm watching it with a high degree of interest.
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  Speaker 12: But i think there's a lot of in build areas
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  Speaker 12: into polling methodology, a lot of vagaries in the American
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  Speaker 12: political system that we don't necessarily need to account for
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  Speaker 12: here in Australia, foremost amongst them being optional voting rather
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  Speaker 12: than compulsory voting. And it's quite hard to sort of
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  Speaker 12: determine how all these things will shake out.
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  Speaker 2: So sure is a dramatic race. One person will be
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: won't what the result will be. YEA.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: One person will be watching with a great amount of anxiety.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: I would think is our current ambassador to the US,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd. Do you believe his position
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: will be untenable if Donald Trump returns to the White House.
• 20:09
  Speaker 12: Look, ultimately that will be obviously this is self evident,
• 20:12
  Speaker 12: of course, the question for the Government of the day.
• 20:15
  Speaker 12: I know he has been doing work to rebuild relations
• 20:18
  Speaker 12: with the Trump administration, but by the same token, he's
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: been on the public record in a way I don't
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: think any other ambassador has been being highly personally critical
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: of Trump. Now, it doesn't need to be an insuperabwl obstacle,
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: but it's certainly a relevant consideration. And you know, it's
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: the government's role to make sure we've got the best
• 20:36
  Speaker 12: ambassador in place who can work as closely as possible
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: with whatever administration or Republican.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And the best ambassador to advance Australia's interests can't be
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: one who's on the record flagrantly attacking Donald Trump. Fascinating stuff.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining Usdave, I appreciate it. Dave Shama, their
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Liberal Senator for New South Wales, joining us live from Canberra.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I want to get back to the renewables issue now.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: On the plague across our landscape tape of renewables infrastructure.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: We've spoken with photographer and environmentalist Stephen Nowakowski plenty of times.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: He's put together a new animation mapping now of proposed
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: wind turbines and other renewables infrastructure across New South Wales.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: He did a similar job for Queensland, which we've shown
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: you before. According to Stephen, eight hundred and forty eight
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: hundred and forty nine wind turbines are operating across New
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: South Wales now, with six thousand and seven hundred and
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: one more proposed. The scale of this green energy march
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: is absolutely mind blowing, and Stephen Nowakowski joins me again.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Now good to talk to you against Stephen, these animations
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: really demonstrate to us that we ain't seen nothing yet.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I mean when you drive around regional New South Wales, Queensland,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: or Victoria and South Australia, the renewables landscape is obvious.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: But what you're saying is virtually for every wind turbine
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: we've see now, we're going to see another eight or
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: nine in the future.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Exactly right.
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: This is just the tip of the iceberg.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Chris.
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: So, for example, in New South Wales, I've done all
• 22:11
  Speaker 10: the mapping of the projects that are in the pipeline.
• 22:15
  Speaker 10: If they were all to be approved, there'd be six
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: thy seven hundred and one new turbines, and included in
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: that there'll be six thousand, six hundred and forty nine
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: kilometers of new har theyge roads connecting all these turbines together,
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: and you also have to include that these need to
• 22:36
  Speaker 10: be all connected with transmission line and then they need
• 22:39
  Speaker 10: to be firmed with batteries or pumped hydro, and then
• 22:44
  Speaker 10: you need a fleet of new gas peaking plants to
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: keep the lights on when none of this works. So
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: I don't think the average Australian really understands or comprehends
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: the task at hand to try to achieve these targets
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: by twenty thirty and twenty sixty twenty fifty.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: And that's why these animations and mapping that you've been
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: doing are so important because it means anyone can get
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: on the YouTube and the like and see this stuff
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: and understand where it's all been approved and what the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: landscape's going to look like.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Where can people see this?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Can they google it and have a look on that
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: on YouTube?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 10: So I'm a board member of Rainforest Reserves Australia. So
• 23:21
  Speaker 10: if you just go into YouTube and do a search
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: on Rainforest Reserves Australia, you'll see a whole heap of
• 23:25
  Speaker 10: animations that we've been able to do. And I'm working
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: on the animation right now for Tasmania, and I think
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: that will really shock a lot of people as well,
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: particularly the Tarkine coast, the west coast of Tasmania, which
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: is really earmarked to be industrialized by wind turbines. So,
• 23:44
  Speaker 10: like I said, I don't think the average Australian really
• 23:47
  Speaker 10: understands Australia wide. We've now mapped twenty one thousand turbines,
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: just over twenty one thousand turbines proposed. Now, if you
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: take into consideration each turbine around twenty five million dollars each.
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: The reason why I say that is the Lotus Creek
• 24:04
  Speaker 10: wind Farm here in Queensland under construction is a one
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: point three billion dollar project. Forty six turbines twenty eight
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: million dollars a turbine. Let's say they're twenty five million dollars.
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: Twenty five million dollars times twenty one thousand proposed turbines,
• 24:19
  Speaker 10: we're looking at over well over half a trillion dollars
• 24:23
  Speaker 10: just in turbines alone. That excludes transmission, solar batteries, pumped
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: hydro and the gas peaking plants that are yet to
• 24:32
  Speaker 10: be built. So we're looking at that one at around
• 24:35
  Speaker 10: one point three to one point five trillion dollars just
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: to reach those twenty thirty targets. And that falls in
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: line with the net zero report that was done by
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: Princeton University late last year.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Just amazing stuff.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I want to go to Johanna Sleek's cartoon for Tomorrow's Australian.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: He's kindly sent through because it's.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: On this issue, and he's got Chris Bowen there shouting
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: to people concerned about the environment.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Your problem is you can't see the wind farm.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: For the trees, which is exactly the point, and that
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: gets that's Chris Bown, of course sprouting that nonsense, but
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: this is your point. You're an environmentalist and you know
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: we all want reliable and affordable energy and let's work
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: out how the best deliver that. But this is disrupting
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: so many such vast areas of not just farmland and hinterland,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: but a lot of bushland and a lot of very
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: special places.
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: Well that's right, particularly in Queensland, because we don't have
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: the wind resources that South Australia, Victoria and Tasmania have
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: on the coast, or the coastal wind resources so here
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: in Queensland. The only way to get that wind resource
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: is to go up high in elevation on our mountain
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: ranges and mountain tops, and it's those areas that are
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: considered as our refugee areas in a changing climate. They're
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: places that haven't been touched because of their rugged nature,
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: and it's those areas now being targeted. And what we're
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: now seeing is some are collogists and botanists who are
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: now coming out and seeing with their own eyes what's
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: going on. Because this has been done so secretly, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: these are cologists are now seeing it with their own eyes.
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: And now there's alarm bells ringing, particularly across those coastal
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: ranges in Queensland, because.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: It's not only quite secret, it's also happening very very quickly.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: So the time to act is now. Thanks for joining us, Steve,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: and I really appreciate your time again. Stephen actually is
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: featuring in Chris Yulman's documentary The Real Cost of Net
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Zero that's premiering here on Sky on Tuesday, the nineteenth
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: of November at eight o'clock Eastern daylight saving time, So
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: you'll hear more from Stephen there now coming up after
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: the break. Gemutonieni and Caroline da Also we'll talk about
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Lifeline getting record numbers of calls from people in financial
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: distress and also thousands of family members, tens of thousands
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of family members coming into the country on.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Visas because they're related to foreign students.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Let's catch up with Gematoni from GT Communications joining us
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: live from Melbourne, and Caroline de Roussou, the Sky News hoster,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: is back home in Perth.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Good to speak to both of you.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Were Gemma, you you've you've shifted from Perth to Melbourne
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: since last week spoke?
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Did you get an upgrade or I wouldn't call it that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: Making making my way home to the great state of
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: New South Wales via Melbourne and a visit to my
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: favorite nephew.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm wondering if you've got an upgrade
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: on the flight across.
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: Oh I certainly did not.
• 27:36
  Speaker 13: I certainly did not.
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: And fun fact, Chris, I did ask for it, it
• 27:40
  Speaker 7: didn't get it.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've tried a few times to buy it with
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: my points or whatever.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: It's never come through.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Caroline, did are you surprised the Opposition didn't pursue this
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: in question time in Federal Parliament today?
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: There was, there was plenty on today actually, and I did.
• 27:59
  Speaker 14: I did actually catch a chunk of question time, which
• 28:03
  Speaker 14: is probably there's a few people watching this now. It
• 28:06
  Speaker 14: is like, does she not have anything better to do
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: during the middle of the day.
• 28:10
  Speaker 15: I did catch some of it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 14: I think there was definitely a focus on the announcement
• 28:18
  Speaker 14: from yesterday in.
• 28:19
  Speaker 15: Relation to.
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: Help fees or hex fees I used to call them
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: hex in the grand old days, and also in relation
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: to cost of living and that whole household recession point
• 28:31
  Speaker 14: that you made a bit earlier in the show.
• 28:34
  Speaker 15: I would say that.
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: Those are more critical issues for everyday voters than necessarily
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: the upgrade issue. There has been a lot of that conversation.
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: I expect there may very well be more. Jason Clare's
• 28:49
  Speaker 14: admission over the weekend was very interesting.
• 28:51
  Speaker 15: But I think that the.
• 28:54
  Speaker 14: Voters do want their pollies focused on the issues that
• 28:58
  Speaker 14: are more relevant to them, and that is definitely at
• 29:01
  Speaker 14: cost of living and whatever's happening with help fees.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would to chuck something in there as well.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: After doing the cost of living stuff. Here's Jason Cleare.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Let's have a look at him. He's embarrassing a mission
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: on Sky News yesterday.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: That was a personal tripp and that was a situation
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: where I had just got out of hospital, I had
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: surgery on my leg and yep, I asked for upgrade.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I was and I was assisted by Quannas.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Yes, surgery is the heart. Who is the heartrending plea
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: for understanding. He was happy enough to go on his trip,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: his personal trip, but the operation meant to yet to
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: ask for the upgrade.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: He got it, Jemmy. He got it for free.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Now he was a shadow minister then not a minister.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: But you can't go around asking for gifts. This is
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: terrible for him. And I'm not pretending that we won't
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: see similar admissions in the future from coalition MPs. But
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: it's terrible for him, Jemma, and it only highlights why
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: we still haven't seen a flat out denial of any.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Requests through his office from alban Easy.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: One hundred percent, Chris, and just picking up on Kara's
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: point earlier about the fact that look, surely there are
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: other things. Not surely, but there are definitely other things
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: that the electorate is concerned about. But the context in
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: which this is all playing out simply amplifies the problem
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: for this government that it's forgotten, or perhaps it never
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: actually realized that this isn't a game. Perhaps it came
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: into you know you and I can guess about these things,
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: But perhaps it came into office two and a half
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: years ago thinking we are so far in the clear,
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: we actually don't have to care about perceptions. But when
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: things are as tough for everyday families as they are,
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: and you've got absolute tone deafness from the government of
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: the day, that I might add is telling you, me
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: and everyone else around us that we can't drive petrol
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: cars anymore, we can't heed our homes. We are that
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: two hundred and thirty or two hundred and fifty dollars
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: reduction to your power bill, we're going.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: To give you.
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: Sorry about that. We've given you a thirty to forty
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: percent uptick in your power bills instead. This government is
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: tone deaf and it's not a political statement, Chris, this
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: is simply a fact of the matter. And Jason Clare
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: had a bung leg from a surgery, Well crime, you
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: a river mate, stay home if you can't travel.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dear, And now, of course Caroline, you mentioned this
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: hex dealer, that this is blatant electioneering. We're six months
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: out from an election. Now they should be governing. They
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: could do this if they want to, they'd have to
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: budget for it and announce it and pass it through Parliament. Instead,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: they've put it out there already as an election promise.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: You only get this, and they only do it if
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: they get re elected. And have a look at this
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: some of more of that speech in Adelaide yesterday. It
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: just reeks of election campaigning.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Building on the strong foundations we have laid, building together,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: building to last, our labor government, building Australia's future.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Albo was Bob the builder.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Caroline, your role with the Liberals there in West Australia,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: you'll be on election alert. You'll be expecting it, possibly
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: as early as March. I keep hearing April the twelfth
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: is a very likely date.
• 32:12
  Speaker 14: And just listening to Albow there, it's like he doesn't
• 32:15
  Speaker 14: even believe his own bs. It's like, I know I
• 32:18
  Speaker 14: have to read this, but there's this shallow, shrillness to
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: his voice. He's trying to project to make him sound
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: really confident, and he just actually sounds really rattled, which
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: is my takeaway from that. Well, we've got a state
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: election here on the eighth of March.
• 32:36
  Speaker 15: So for us here in.
• 32:37
  Speaker 14: W way chance of having two elections very very close
• 32:42
  Speaker 14: to each other and cutos to Stephen Hamilton actually for
• 32:47
  Speaker 14: an absolute belter of a piece in the AFR on
• 32:51
  Speaker 14: this precise issue, and he makes the point in his
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: article that what actually this whole and nonnouncement is about
• 33:01
  Speaker 14: is trying to transfer votes from the Greens back to Labor.
• 33:05
  Speaker 14: And I think he's absolutely right on that this this
• 33:09
  Speaker 14: year is not about the middle and we know that
• 33:12
  Speaker 14: in Australia that elections are one at the middle, but
• 33:15
  Speaker 14: Labor is more focused on its left flank and trying
• 33:19
  Speaker 14: to bring some of that back from the Greens. So
• 33:21
  Speaker 14: you know this year is at a cost of about
• 33:24
  Speaker 14: eleven billion, and yes some people will be tempted by this,
• 33:28
  Speaker 14: no doubt, but obviously if you're not paying for it now,
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: they will be paying for it in future generations. And
• 33:35
  Speaker 14: the middle plenty of whom have not had the privilege
• 33:37
  Speaker 14: of going to university, will be paying for this instead.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: So I'm pay all the touches.
• 33:42
  Speaker 14: Really hits those fairness notes general, A.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Couple of issues that I want to focus and see
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: if you can get to wrap up as we run
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: out of time. One is we've read the Lifeline are
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: getting more calls than ever as the cost of living
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: pressure really exacerbates people's personal term all and they reach
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: out to Lifeline for help. And on top top of that,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: with all these pressures on housing and the rest of it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: And we know that immigration has been running out of control.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: The number of foreign students coming into the country has
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: been out of control. We learn on the weekend that
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty thousand people have come into the
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: country as family reunion partners effectively of people who are
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: here as foreign students. So you come in as a
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: foreign student, then you bring in your family and then
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: you all try to stay here forever. This is immigration
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: out of control.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: Well, it's a lazy government that's lost track of what's
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: going on and it's taken its eye off the ball
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: and you.
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: Can't sort of help.
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: Wonder how much of this is electorally like, electorally driven.
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: And I made my point in the weekend. My weekend
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: column has gone Chris about needing people in parliament who
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: have real life experience, not.
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: Just political experience.
• 34:50
  Speaker 15: And it goes both ways.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: But let's talk about the mob who are in charge
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: right now less union. Being a union member and being
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: an academic or a data of any persuasion does not
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: prepare you for life in politics when life in politics
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: should be about public service. Greater reform is for the
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: greater good. Where are the leaders, I mean, where are
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: the leaders full stop in this government. This is an
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: appalling indictment on the fact that either they are economically illiterate.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Or they don't care.
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: Not sure which is worse, but they are not making
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: decisions in the best interests of this country. And I
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: don't think the electorate a spot on stupid as they
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: are treating it at.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: We're not seeing policies that are obviously aimed at improving
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: the country. We're seeing policies that are picking off cohorts
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: of voters. That's so transparent. Thanks for joining us, appreciated greatly, Caroline,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: and General'll catch you next week.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: You've got to get to a break.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we're going to catch up with
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Paul Murray on the latest.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: From the US. He's going to be live from Texas.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Plus Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson on labor slashing sixteen billion
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: dollars worth of student debt.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: If it's re.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Elected across to Pool Murray and Dallas in just a moment.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: But first let's have a look at this explainer from
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Fox News. Is Bill Hemmer on how close the election
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: could be in the race for two hundred and seventy
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: electoral College votes and why Pennsylvania could be the state
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 36:20
  Speaker 16: So in the Southwest, we've been watching the polling in Arizona,
• 36:23
  Speaker 16: watching the early vote as well, and we see some
• 36:25
  Speaker 16: Republicans strength out there. So I'll go ahead and give
• 36:28
  Speaker 16: Arizona to Trump, and that brings us to Nevada.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Similar story.
• 36:33
  Speaker 16: Early votesmen very strong for the Republicans. Democrats, they've got
• 36:37
  Speaker 16: time to catch you up. But for now, let's go
• 36:39
  Speaker 16: ahead and give the Nevada six electoral votes.
• 36:41
  Speaker 13: To Team Trump.
• 36:43
  Speaker 16: And that leaves this one right here. This is the
• 36:46
  Speaker 16: keystone state of Pennsylvania. Nineteen electoral votes and under this scenario,
• 36:50
  Speaker 16: however it comes down, would determine the next president of
• 36:53
  Speaker 16: the United States.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: There we go, let's see what happens. Let's go to
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Paul Murray live from Dallas, Texas. Good to talk to
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: your big fella. You're be very excited as you're watching.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Is all this coming in I've been saying for such
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: a long time it all could come down to Pennsylvania.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: That's the sort of scenario we've just had laid out there.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: But there's some late polling suggesting maybe Kamala Harris is
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: doing better in seats that weren't thought of as swing
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: states like iow, Well, what's your read in the ground
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: and from the Poles.
• 37:24
  Speaker 17: Yeah, look at the very heart of all of this,
• 37:27
  Speaker 17: everyone needs to know the Poles were really wrong in sixteen.
• 37:31
  Speaker 17: They were even worse in twenty twenty. So when we're
• 37:33
  Speaker 17: talking about these margins of you know, fifty one forty nine,
• 37:36
  Speaker 17: fifty one, forty nine, fifty one forty nine, yes, that
• 37:39
  Speaker 17: means the margin could be Trump.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Blowout or Harris blowout exactly. That's for the people that
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: are going to report us to the referee.
• 37:45
  Speaker 17: For everyone else who's actually just interested in what's taking
• 37:48
  Speaker 17: place here. Now, Trump has more paths to that magical
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: two hundred and seventy. Put simply, if you think about
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: the states, think of them like a clock, the blue
• 37:58
  Speaker 17: wall up in the top there. Harris must win all three.
• 38:01
  Speaker 17: Trump wins one, he wins the presidency. If Harris can
• 38:05
  Speaker 17: knock off North Carolina, and then.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: She would be able to maybe lose one of the three,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: but it's pretty unlikely.
• 38:14
  Speaker 17: North Carolina is something that Trump was able to hold
• 38:17
  Speaker 17: on to while he was being flushed out of office
• 38:19
  Speaker 17: in twenty twenty.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: You go across to.
• 38:21
  Speaker 17: Georgia where Biden blew Trump away. Now the expectation is
• 38:26
  Speaker 17: that because he stitched things up with the governor, he'll
• 38:29
  Speaker 17: be able to hold onto that state. Arizona, which kind
• 38:32
  Speaker 17: of went the never trump a route after the death
• 38:35
  Speaker 17: of John McCain. That's coming back to Trump, and in
• 38:39
  Speaker 17: the early vote, the Republicans are.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Leading in Nevada.
• 38:43
  Speaker 17: The weird factor that I need to get to inside
• 38:46
  Speaker 17: all of this is the disparity between male and female vote.
• 38:50
  Speaker 17: It's basically the same as it was four years ago,
• 38:53
  Speaker 17: with the Democrats way in front with women the Republicans
• 38:56
  Speaker 17: more way in front with men.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: The difference this time is that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 17: There are more men voting, more younger men voting, more
• 39:05
  Speaker 17: African American and Hispanic men that are going to be voting.
• 39:08
  Speaker 17: So I think the absolute ex factor here though, is
• 39:11
  Speaker 17: women over sixty five. Now, generally speaking, people over fifty
• 39:16
  Speaker 17: five go a little more conservative. Around the world, However,
• 39:20
  Speaker 17: the behavior of Trump in many ways can turn some
• 39:23
  Speaker 17: of those people off. Now, in some states, so say
• 39:26
  Speaker 17: like a North Carolina, there is a significant population over
• 39:29
  Speaker 17: the age of fifty five, so we'll know pretty early.
• 39:32
  Speaker 17: But basically what you need to watch for is the
• 39:35
  Speaker 17: blue wall. If Trump is outperforming, Harris is probably going
• 39:38
  Speaker 17: to win the election. If North Carolina starts to wobble,
• 39:41
  Speaker 17: Harris might be.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: On her way.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: I talked at the top of the program about the
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: genius of Trump and the way he uses outrage to
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: get the mainstream media talking about issues they like to ignore.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: But explain to me the point of this one I have.
• 39:58
  Speaker 16: With this piece of glass here.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: But all we have really over here is the fake news.
• 40:07
  Speaker 16: To get me, somebody would have to shoot through the
• 40:11
  Speaker 16: fake news.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And I don't mind that so much.
• 40:17
  Speaker 15: I don't.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Paul.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Is that just him having a bit of what he
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: would call fun or is he trying to draw attention
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: still to the media bias.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I think he's talking about the media bias.
• 40:31
  Speaker 17: I think he's past twenty four hours on the campaign
• 40:33
  Speaker 17: trailer been pretty terrible.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 40:35
  Speaker 17: I want Trump to win. I look for the ways
• 40:37
  Speaker 17: for him to win, But I'm not going to be
• 40:39
  Speaker 17: unrealistic that he had a really bad day yesterday.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: He was low energy, he went all over the shop.
• 40:45
  Speaker 17: He didn't talk about the things that he is absolutely
• 40:48
  Speaker 17: leading on the economy still number one issue with everyone.
• 40:51
  Speaker 17: I'm talking about immigration, number one issue with men. Instead,
• 40:55
  Speaker 17: it was about the paper ballots in twenty twenty. The
• 40:58
  Speaker 17: fake news and look, the media is disgraceful, the way
• 41:02
  Speaker 17: that they take a comment which is clearly about something
• 41:05
  Speaker 17: else and then deliberate to use all the words in
• 41:09
  Speaker 17: the sentence to say that it proves something else. I
• 41:11
  Speaker 17: think your theory is right, though, which is even when
• 41:13
  Speaker 17: he gets onto this so called sticky paper, the.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: People who love him love him more.
• 41:17
  Speaker 17: But it means they mention things they don't want to mention,
• 41:20
  Speaker 17: like immigration and all.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: The rest of it.
• 41:22
  Speaker 17: But you know, as rich, I wouldn't defend Stephen Miles
• 41:25
  Speaker 17: as speech.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: I will not defend Trump on that guard.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: But before I let you go there, I've got to
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: show you what Kamala Harris has been up to on
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: the weekend.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: She's on Saturday Night Live. I mean, it's painful to watch.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to share it with everyone, though.
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: Not Kamala, take my Pamela.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: The American people want to start the chaos and and
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: the dramaa with a cool.
• 41:51
  Speaker 10: New stat Mamala, keep backing up Pajamala's and watch a
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: rum Kamala.
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: Blake legally.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And start decorating for Christmas.
• 42:04
  Speaker 15: Follow Lalala because what do.
• 42:07
  Speaker 18: We always say, keep Kamala and carry on Alah?
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Well, dear, I don't know which one I'd be most
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: frightened having in the White House.
• 42:21
  Speaker 17: Okay, at what point in my life do I get
• 42:23
  Speaker 17: that thirty seconds back?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 42:25
  Speaker 17: Like you know, when I'm on a deathbed, I'm going
• 42:27
  Speaker 17: to pick up my phone and say, hey, Chris.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Just checkond Ma.
• 42:30
  Speaker 17: I'm going to hold on for thirty more seconds because
• 42:32
  Speaker 17: you made me play, you made me sit through that garbage. Look,
• 42:35
  Speaker 17: she's good, of course at that stuff, because she's a performer,
• 42:39
  Speaker 17: and by that she's an actress. We all know what
• 42:41
  Speaker 17: she really is, which is the hardcore leftist who's.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Pretending that she's not. She's literally not saying.
• 42:46
  Speaker 17: What she voted in certain propositions referendus that are taking
• 42:50
  Speaker 17: place in California. But a little note for those who
• 42:53
  Speaker 17: like to follow their comedy it's a ripoff of a
• 42:57
  Speaker 17: gag that was done by Jimmy Fallon and he was
• 43:00
  Speaker 17: sitting opposite Donald Trump, and that was a ripoff of
• 43:04
  Speaker 17: what it was Home at Romney and Jimmy Fallon.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: So I've been nothing original in this election, nothing news
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: in politics.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks for staying up for us.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: May have a great show probably back live at nine
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: o'clock from Dallas and of course all over the coverage
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: throughout the rest of the week. The Great Man I
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: miss him around here, but it's great to see him
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: over in the States. Let's go to Sarah Henderson now,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: the Shadow Education Minister, live from Canberra. Good to speak
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: to you, Senator. Got to get your thoughts on this
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: hex proposal. It think's outrageous that they're offering a policy
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: this early.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: That's an election policy.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, if they believe in this policy, why aren't
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: they legislating it now?
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: Well, absolutely, this is just an electoral bribe and nothing
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: more than that. There trying to outbid the Greens. But
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: this is grossly irresponsible economic policy. Pool The sixteen billion
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: dollar cashplash risks keeping inflation and interest rates higher longer,
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: and it's grossly unfair. It's unfair to the minions of
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: Australians who worked hard to pay off their hex debt,
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: and of course to students intending to go to university
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: who won't be a beneficiary.
• 44:11
  Speaker 15: So this is a real basket case.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: And then to add insult to injury, we now discover
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: that this so called soft launch campaign held in Adelaide
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: yesterday was at a school in breach of the rules
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: of the Department of Education. So shame on Education Minister
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: Jason Claire. Under his government, student debt has gone up
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: sixteen percent. They've now released this terrible policy which has
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: been slammed by the critics, slammed by independent economic experts.
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: And as I say, to add insult to injury, it's
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: happened at a school against the rules.
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: Of the Department of Education in South Australia.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's an interesting sidelin.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Speaking of the Education Minister Jason Clare, he's had to
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: admit that he asked for an upgrade on a personal
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: flight and he got it that he was a shadow
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: minister at the time, not a minister. But it's clearly
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: in breach of ministerial code to ask for an upgrade.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: What should be the consequence for him from this bridge.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Surely shadow ministers should uphold the same standards as ministers.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm not going to make any excuses for Jason Clair.
• 45:19
  Speaker 15: He says he declared it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: But frankly, we have seen the likes of Prime Minister
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: Albernezi and others swaning around sucking up if I can
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: use that word, to the likes of mister Joyce running quantas,
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: and of course that's why we've really got so many
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: issues with competition in our airlines across this country. So
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: that really is for him to answer, but it's for
• 45:42
  Speaker 6: an Australian's perspective, it's just not good enough, Chris. It's
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: not good enough because it just seems again that this
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: government is focusing on themselves and not on ordinary hardworking Australians.
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: We've seen education go off the rails under this minister,
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: whether it's the school funding war, whether it's international students,
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: and now of.
• 46:03
  Speaker 15: Course this ridiculous policy.
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: But Australians will not be fooled when they are bribed.
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: They know it, they can smell it, and they will
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: not reward labor.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: For its Thanks for joining us, Senator, I appreciate it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Senator Sarah Henderson. They're live from Canberra. I'm going to
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: get to the break.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to catch up with
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Sophie el's Worth.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: We're going to talk about how Albany has been given
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: a free pass on this upgrade scandal by the Guardian,
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: otherwise known as the Turnbull Times.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Don't go away.
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Melbourne and catch up with Sophie Elsworth,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: media writer at The Australian.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Sophie.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: You guys are so much crammed into that media section
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: of the odds today and one story I really liked
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: was this focus on the Guardian, Australia, very left wing publication,
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: the one that we know was established at the best
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: of Malcolm Turnbull back in the day, even help them
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: recruit their staff, and they've seemed to have completely ignored
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's troubles with quantestant upgrades.
• 47:07
  Speaker 18: Well, Chris, it was absolutely baffling last Wednesday, at the
• 47:10
  Speaker 18: height of this so called scandal watching a Guardian website,
• 47:16
  Speaker 18: you wouldn't have had a clue what was going on
• 47:19
  Speaker 18: because you couldn't find a story about the issues with
• 47:23
  Speaker 18: what they were calling upgrade Elbow, and it took them
• 47:27
  Speaker 18: a long time to actually give this any weight on
• 47:30
  Speaker 18: their website, and then days later they seem far more
• 47:33
  Speaker 18: interested in the fact that Peter Dutton had taken a
• 47:36
  Speaker 18: flight courtesy of Gina Reinhart. Now, look, the Guardian's free
• 47:40
  Speaker 18: to do it they want, Chris, But I think it
• 47:42
  Speaker 18: shows well and truly where their biases lie.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: It sure does, and they're often quoted on the ABC
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: as some sort of reliable source.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: I think one of their go to media organizations I
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: think LinkedIn with this was I thought the.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Announcement of the COVID report by the government on Monday
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: or Tuesday it was last week seemed to be perfectly
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: time to try and distract attention away from Albow and
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: the upgrades, and it certainly did for probably twenty four hours.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: But I've noticed the way most of the media has
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: just moved on from that. They reported the report being delivered,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: a few basic points about it, and moved on. None
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: of them are drilling into it, showing what it doesn't reveal,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: asking the questions, demanding a proper royal commission, which is
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: what we've been told so often that's what we need.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I reckon.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: It's because most of them fear any examination of their
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: own role. Most of the media was so complicit in
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: running a fear campaign and not holding governments to account.
• 48:41
  Speaker 18: Chris, you had an excellent piece in The Australian on
• 48:43
  Speaker 18: this on the weekend. But look, the media was very
• 48:47
  Speaker 18: much going along with a lot of these lockdown measures,
• 48:50
  Speaker 18: particularly here in Melbourne.
• 48:52
  Speaker 15: Many of the media with cheerleaders for.
• 48:54
  Speaker 18: The Daniel Andrews Labor government and we saw that in
• 48:57
  Speaker 18: their biases in their reporting. So I think that could
• 49:01
  Speaker 18: be largely one of the reasons why you are not
• 49:04
  Speaker 18: seeing a lot of coverage of the report.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just to refresh our memory, here was doctor Norman
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: Swan from the ABC.
• 49:12
  Speaker 13: The predictions at the moment, if this hockey stick doesn't
• 49:16
  Speaker 13: change that much, is that we'll be out of ICU
• 49:19
  Speaker 13: beds in New South Wales. Victoria will be behind that
• 49:23
  Speaker 13: by April tenth, and in that case ICU physicians will
• 49:28
  Speaker 13: be faced with some very difficult decisions.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: There was so much of that stuff around, Sophie, as
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: you know, and it certainly helped the politicians with their
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: ridiculous lockdowns. Thanks so much for joining us, Sophie Ellsworth.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: We are out of time now. You can read Sophie
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: in The Australian all week, but especially on Mondays, jam
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: packed with the media section.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: That's all the time I've got for you tonight. I'll
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: see you tomorrow night. Here is Peter Greedlin.