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Fast Laps with the Boys - F1 2024 - Japan Preview · Banter with the Boys

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  Yo welcome back to Banter with the boys fast laps.
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  Back at it again with the Australian GP recap and Japan preview.
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  But first let's obviously bring everybody in here.
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  I always start across the table so let's start next to me this time.
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  Joe, what's poppin?
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  What's up, what's up? Happy to be here.
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  Happier after that last result.
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  I'm looking forward to the next one.
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  Nice, alright sounds good.
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  And again recording on a Tuesday.
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  So I think my thing will just be to ask Cole how his week's going.
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  Every week so Cole how's your week going?
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  Not too shabby. It's not snowing. Last week that was horrible.
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  I know we live in Minnesota.
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  Come on let's bring it back to 60 for me.
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  Bring it on back to 60. We're ready for spring.
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  That's for dang sure.
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  And of course last but not least Tyler what's going on?
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  What's happening brother? Doing good man.
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  The snow last week definitely sucked.
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  I am ready for it to be spring.
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  Ready to hit the links maybe two, three times this whole year.
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  Because it's probably all that's feasible for me with two kids and another one on the way.
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  But those two, three times are going to be a blast brother.
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  Do you have a foursome you go out with?
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  I mean depends.
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  Well I guess that was kind of a weird question.
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  I'm talking on the golf course.
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  For the golf course no.
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  Oh well hit me up homie.
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  Definitely will hit you up.
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  What's going on? But anyway obviously we can't forget about Kev.
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  He makes all this stuff happen.
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  So we'll just head right into the Australian Grand Prix recap.
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  And diving right into the Australian Grand Prix recap.
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  Just I mean during this race we had a combined ten time world champion drivers.
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  Like total championships just sitting watching this race.
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  Because they retired.
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  I mean it was a crazy race. It lived up to the hype.
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  We had that carnage we were looking for.
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  So I just, I mean right away we just, you know good for Carlos.
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  Obviously he came in singing smooth operator. That's great.
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  You know we had the great quote from Gunther.
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  That was Vamos Carlos.
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  But we got to talk about Max retiring early.
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  Were we excited gentlemen about that?
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  Real excited dude.
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  Were you excited about the fact that you had a Verstappen win or a Red Bull podium even?
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  It was great dude.
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  As soon as it happened, especially with how early it happened,
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  I was just excited that we were going to have an actual race on our hands here.
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  Now it didn't end up being much of a race for number one.
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  Because Sian's kind of just ran away with it and took it from there.
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  You know so it was like I honestly would have kind of liked to see how Sian's would have done against Verstappen.
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  With the way that Ferrari looks right now.
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  It was the first race, now obviously Verstappen kind of had that brake issue from the jump.
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  But it was the first race that Max wasn't able to separate and get a one second gap to break that DRS zone going into lap two.
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  It was the first race that had happened.
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  So Sian's was on his butt and then he was past him.
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  Now again, Verstappen had issues.
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  But like it was a fun race to watch.
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  Absolutely. That car looked fast.
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  I know when it happened the group chat kind of blew up about it.
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  And I had money on one of the March Madness games.
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  So I wasn't watching at the time.
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  So I had to restart it like right when it happened.
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  And then mute the group chat just to see what happened first.
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  Luckily it was only lap three I think right.
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  So it didn't really affect too much.
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  But no I think it's awesome.
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  You know I mean I'm pretty openly against Verstappen.
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  So to see him win.
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  And Red Bull as a whole.
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  Yep. Pumpt did not see them in podium.
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  Pumpt did not see him finishing the race in first.
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  And I have to agree with Tyler.
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  I'm really curious to see how this week goes because I mean that Ferrari looks quick.
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  Yeah that Ferrari does look really quick.
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  Man. Lap two to four.
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  I feel like I was getting blown up on the phone.
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  I had people reaching out to me that had never reached out to me about F1.
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  Just excited for a change in the race.
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  It was so exciting.
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  And yeah really Carlos Sainz coming in getting a win 16 days after having a surgery.
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  What a tank.
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  Like dudes unstoppable.
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  I think I mean Ferrari what are they thinking right now.
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  Right.
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  No no doubt no doubt.
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  And I mean you know so with Max's brakes stuck on.
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  I'd imagine that won't be a problem going forward.
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  Red Bull probably correct that issue.
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  But winning 19 of his last 20 coming into this race if I'm not mistaken was it Joe.
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  Yeah 19 of his last 20.
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  And then including winning the last nine races.
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  He would have tied his own record of 10 consecutive wins that he set last year if he would have won this last race.
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  Yeah so obviously all of our predictions included for Stappen in there and we were all wrong.
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  But so the Australia curse is just back again for Max for Stappen.
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  You know what I mean.
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  Like it's just weird to see it's great to see.
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  I mean hopefully we get you know maybe a little bit closer season in the championship points for as far as teams go.
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  But let's talk about Ferrari a little bit.
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  I mean yeah Carlos Leclerc running a good race but Carlos is running away with it.
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  I mean he looked good in that car.
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  I mean is that something we're going to see you know maybe even this weekend.
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  But I mean just the season as a whole is Carlos really going to be able to show and prove that he deserves maybe a shot at that Red Bull seat.
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  I know we saw some April Fool's stuff going on but is that does he have a legitimate chance.
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  I think he does especially with how he's been performing.
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  Obviously he's the only other racer besides Verstappen to win.
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  But what also happened there is I mean we always talk about Charles and how Charles is definitely their number one.
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  Charles is their top driver.
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  But have we overlooked science this whole time because we all everybody talks about Charles and he's a top guy.
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  But I mean I think we overlooked Carlos.
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  He's a dog.
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  When it comes to winning races he's a guy Charles will get you the points for sure.
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  But I'm a big Carlos fan now even more.
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  I completely agree with you especially on that last point.
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  Carlos I mean he's proven he's the only person outside of a Red Bull to win a race in the last however many races.
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  I think it will come down to is he as consistent as Charles.
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  I think we've got to look at everything.
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  I don't think he was that consistent last year.
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  I feel like he had a few bad races and maybe that's why Ferrari chose not to go with him again.
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  In the following year.
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  But man he's proven something.
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  There's still a lot of season to go.
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  I'm sure he can still mess something up.
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  But I hope he takes us and runs with it.
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  No absolutely.
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  I think Carlos has always been like a ridiculously underrated driver for his his actual talent.
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  Even when he was in like McLaren he wasn't the number one.
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  He goes he got he got booted from what was it Renault.
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  No I'm sorry it was Ocon.
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  I'm thinking of Ocon the Ocon situation where he got booted and came back.
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  But he's just always been so underrated and it's I never understood really why he's bounced around with all these teams.
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  I mean in terms of like Ferrari not choosing him I don't think it has anything to do with Carlos right.
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  It simply has to do with you are getting Lewis Hamilton all that he brings outside of the racing ability which is obviously top notch.
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  You could make a very strong argument against that this year in terms of him versus Carlos.
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  So really the top five or six in this race alone outside of Stroll.
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  But it's it's it's Lewis Hamilton.
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  You're not going to turn that down for Ferrari.
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  But I mean even even with that obviously Charles is younger and he's kind of on the climb now with everything as far as he's got more future with Red Bull or sorry with Ferrari which is huge.
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  And I mean if you're Carlos so where do you want to go. You know like where do you look to go after this.
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  I think you have to have the hope that you might get looked at for that Red Bull seat.
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  I mean the car is quick right now and if he if he could get if he could have kept up with Max potentially this race in the Ferrari like we could see a battle going back and forth you know.
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  But maybe Max's ego you know sorry Netherlands folks but like maybe Max's ego gets in the way a little bit like we saw with Ricardo early on.
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  Maybe you see a little bit of that with Carlos because he's good enough to compete and beat Max potentially in a Red Bull car.
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  Absolutely and I mean with what you said even with like the inconsistencies that you guys are like saying like even last year like there were two spots away in the WDC but it was by six points.
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  Like with all of Ferrari's technical issues that they have with the car especially last year with all the issues they had.
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  Now Charles had his fair share as well don't get me wrong. I just I mean when it's only a six point difference like that that's really not an inconsistency to me in the grand scheme of things.
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  Six points in the whole season and then I mean cool with what you said about the age they're only three years apart.
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  That's nothing in F1.
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  No doubt and Carlos being only 29 years old he just surpasses a thousandth point.
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  Yeah.
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  How many F1 drivers actually make it to that point even.
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  I mean there's something to be said about that. I think you have to take a serious look at.
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  Carlos looks old. He looks so much older than Charles I would have never guessed. I've honestly never looked up his age.
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  I know Charles is young obviously but I never looked up Carlos's age. I thought he was like 35.
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  You know he looks like an older cat.
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  He looks like 29 bro and Charles also has a baby face too so he looks far younger than he is.
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  So but yeah I mean with Red Bull I think if Carlos was if Carlos really truly cares about wanting to win a championship
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  which every F1 driver does that's the ultimate goal.
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  Like Red Bull is the only true shot he really has like with all the other team openings.
• 10:38
  Aston's not going to give him a chance. Mercedes isn't going to give him a chance at winning.
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  I mean I think Mercedes is so light years behind Ferrari and Red Bull at this point even with the new regulations in 2026
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  with everybody building a completely new car I just don't see Mercedes competing anytime soon.
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  I agree but I still think Mercedes has that seat open and I think they're going to offer it to him when push comes to shove.
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  We were just talking before the pod Kimi's not doing amazing so far in F2.
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  So if that seat's open and Red Bull for some reason goes with one of the V-Carbs or for some reason keeps Perez
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  Merc might be the best option or he's waiting for Audi to come in and take that spot.
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  Even that Audi spot so even if you wanted that Audi spot you could still sign a one year deal with Red Bull.
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  I don't think Red Bull is going to like necessarily and well this is 100% all contingent on what Max Verstappen decides what he's going to do.
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  I don't think he's leaving Red Bull. He'd be stupid to leave Red Bull.
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  Especially if it wasn't for a Ferrari like it's not a lot of kids dreams to grow up driving for Mercedes.
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  You know if you're driving in the pin. Now Lewis changed that.
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  Maybe give it like another 5, 6, 7 years. Yeah Lewis probably like created that but no you're right though.
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  100% agree but you got Schumacher with Ferrari like it's just Ferrari.
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  That's where you want to grow as your kid growing up watching the sport most typically right.
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  So I mean I don't know why Red Bull wouldn't offer Carlos the book at this point.
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  He's obviously the second most talented driver on the grid.
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  I mean I wouldn't say obviously but debatably the second most talented driver on the grid and he's far past prayers at this point.
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  And also I mean Ferrari next year even with Hamilton they need to either match Red Bull's car or have a better car.
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  Because with those two lineups going against each other if Carlos is at Red Bull.
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  If they have an equal car that's still a heck of a race that whole season's I mean nuts.
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  Because those are four obvious probably four of the best drivers out there right now.
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  And if they're both competing with an equal car that's going to be fun.
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  But I mean even if Red Bull is an equal car it's tough to say because I hate Red Bull and I hate Verstappen.
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  But I would root for Carlos and I think you know it might be still in Red Bull's hands there to lose.
• 12:46
  I would root for Carlos too but I think that the curse of that second seat is going to get him.
• 12:51
  I think Max is still going to outperform him in the same car.
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  The team is going to prioritize Max because he obviously can win it.
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  I think it's the best car to be in obviously.
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  If Carlos gets off of the spot he's going to take it and that's the best decision for him.
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  But when he gets in that spot he's still getting second.
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  I think I don't entirely agree with that because I think if Carlos actually goes there.
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  And he starts popping off the first five races and is outperforming Max.
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  At the end of the day Red Bull cares about championships.
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  And they're going to want to go with that.
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  Helmut cares about like all he cares about is who's going to give us delivers the best week in a week out.
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  So I think that kind of comes down to if Carlos can just show out in a Red Bull and kind of exceed everybody's expectations.
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  Red Bull is going to be kind of hands tied to go with him.
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  And Max is just going to have to suck it up.
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  I don't think they'd risk anything like that just to get Max another driver's championship.
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  I completely agree.
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  And even if Red Bull were to give Max whatever preferential treatment.
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  That second Red Bull seat is still better than any first Red Bull seat out there.
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  If the car is not even like you know the car is still.
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  No assuming that doesn't change.
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  That could very well change right.
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  But you also have to expect all these upgrades these other teams are bringing.
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  So is Red Bull.
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  That doesn't get talked about.
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  But they're bringing upgrades too.
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  They're not just putting all the focus on next year in 2026.
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  Also with I mean with the Red Bull car.
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  It is clear as day that Perez is not the driver you want if it's a close race.
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  If it's a close race and you get points.
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  Like I know we talked about early on with the Red Bull and Ferrari fight early on with Science and Verstappen and how that would have ended up.
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  But I mean if we're talking last year on this track with Red Bull.
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  Even Treco is fighting for first place last year.
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  And he's not even close to that.
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  He wasn't even moving up.
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  He was in fifth.
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  He wasn't even fighting for that spot.
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  And I don't know.
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  Like I think you know I think it's a lot closer race than we think.
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  And I think with you know more consistent finishes from like Carlos and Charles.
• 14:52
  It's gonna be hard for Red Bull to keep that one spot.
• 14:54
  Especially with Treco not performing.
• 14:56
  No I think you're hitting that right on the head.
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  I think it is a lot closer than we think.
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  And I think this past weekend just proved that with Treco like you said finishing fifth.
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  He was nowhere near the McLarens at the end of the race.
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  And like so reeling back in you know obviously Carlos with the driver of the day.
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  Carlos goes P1.
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  Science P2.
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  Let's talk about the team we haven't really talked about too much yet.
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  Our boy Lewis Hamilton with the engine failure on lap 17.
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  Potentially caused by rapid loss of oil pressure.
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  Followed by a shutdown of the engine to protect it.
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  That's from F1.com.
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  So they gotta correct that obviously.
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  And then obviously George at the end pushing maybe to outside of his skill level.
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  I wanna touch on that like the George aspect of it.
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  So there's I don't know if this was just not as broadcasted with how much hate George is kind of getting.
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  Or Alonzo was getting shall I say in the incident.
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  Because if you listen to the radio message before that Alonzo happened.
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  Alonzo's car was breaking down.
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  He didn't come off that like the reason he was slow there is because his car was malfunctioning.
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  That doesn't get talked about but there was direct radio message of him communicating with his engineer saying his car is like basically failing.
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  And then like George being like aggressive.
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  George has to. He has a chance of still catching Fernando at that point.
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  He's gonna push until he absolutely can.
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  It's so close where he doesn't get that radio message that Fernando lost.4.
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  Four tenths of a second when you're coming into that quarter.
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  And you have to take that direct line.
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  It's huge.
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  So like it's I don't get like George is being looked at like why are you being so aggressive.
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  And Alonzo's like what the heck.
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  It's like what's he supposed to do if the car is simply failing.
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  To jump on first with Lewis I think with Lewis that's tough.
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  He's not comfortable in the car so it kind of just sucks.
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  Even when he's out of the race he can't even race.
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  You know at least he can go you know hang out a little bit relax wait for the next race.
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  He wouldn't hung out with Max.
• 16:53
  Yeah but like also like with Russell here it is also kind of you know.
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  It's like this is also we're talking about Carlos going to Red Bull and all that.
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  And with Alonzo I mean he is so fast in any car he's in.
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  He is just so impressive holding back even Russell and the Mercedes.
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  Mercedes is a faster car right now.
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  I would agree with that.
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  So like to have him.
• 17:16
  It's not great but I would agree with that.
• 17:17
  It's faster than Alonzo's driving.
• 17:19
  Alonzo's just so good.
• 17:20
  So that's interesting there but that just sucks because I mean Mercedes needs those points.
• 17:24
  And now it's like now we're looking at two people fighting for first.
• 17:28
  And it's not even kind of close.
• 17:30
  And who knows I mean Mercedes is fighting for fourth fifth at this point.
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  Mercedes was left without points that race now because of that.
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  That's huge.
• 17:38
  That is huge.
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  Especially with McLaren grabbing a 3-4.
• 17:41
  No doubt.
• 17:42
  No doubt.
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  So yeah I mean obviously just sucks.
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  What do you got Joe?
• 17:47
  Oh yeah I just tough tough race for Mercedes.
• 17:50
  I just want to also touch on the George Alonzo incident as well.
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  I did hear the radio messages of Alonzo saying that he was having issues.
• 17:58
  I heard them right after the crash happened.
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  But then after the race he went to the stewards and said that he changed his driving style in that lap as well.
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  So his story is kind of all over the place for me a little bit.
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  So he might have caused the car to have it.
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  So lap over lap and the stewards pointed all this out in the data from the car.
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  So I didn't see that.
• 18:16
  Yeah they see him doing a specific break and I think this is I mean I feel like were you seeing a lot of Alonzo hate?
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  Because I was seeing so much George hate over the weekend.
• 18:26
  It was more like like George hate for him just being like overly aggressive.
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  Yeah I so my take and what I saw they showed him the stats from the race.
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  Lap over lap he's breaking at this point.
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  He's shifting at this point.
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  He has this much gas going into it.
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  And then in that one lap he kind of lets go a little bit.
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  Breaks a little earlier than he usually does.
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  He comes out and saying yeah I was trying a different line or is trying a different technique there.
• 18:51
  Obviously George has been around him for a while.
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  He's expecting the same thing.
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  You saw that gap close incredibly quickly.
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  He loses that that downforce and he loses the car.
• 19:00
  I think because they have those stats they're able to point out what happened.
• 19:05
  Sure give Alonzo the penalty.
• 19:06
  20 seconds is pretty harsh though.
• 19:09
  Oh super harsh.
• 19:10
  I don't think it was should have been a 20 second penalty and I'll give that to Alonzo.
• 19:14
  But I understand something needing to be given out.
• 19:18
  I mean a 10 second though because in the grand scheme of things like nobody was really in a position to advance a spot from like Ford to really matter.
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  Because it's on what two laps or on the final lap.
• 19:28
  It's second to final.
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  Yeah it was the second to final lap because the lap technically ended the race ended on a virtual safety car.
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  But it was like nobody was really in a position to do anything.
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  And even if Alonzo was taken out so that's news to me.
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  I didn't understand.
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  I didn't know that.
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  So he might have even caused the car to have the malfunctions or whatever just from putting it.
• 19:51
  I don't know nonetheless but 10 second would be more than applicable there.
• 19:55
  Like yeah you ruined George's race.
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  Like you took him out of points.
• 19:59
  I just watching it was kind of scary to see Russell do that.
• 20:03
  No Russell like wrecked and was on the side.
• 20:06
  I was like they're not showing him he's okay.
• 20:08
  He was pretty quick on saying he's okay but.
• 20:10
  He was crying for a red flag.
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  I shouldn't say crying.
• 20:12
  That's the bad way to look at it because I mean he's in a position in the middle of the track.
• 20:15
  To be fair he is on the spot.
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  Somebody is coming in at 150 miles per hour.
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  Instantly kills him.
• 20:19
  But he was just like he really wanted a red flag.
• 20:21
  Yeah it was interesting.
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  I almost kind of wonder why.
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  I mean I know why they didn't bring the red flag.
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  But they probably should have given a red flag right.
• 20:29
  Yeah.
• 20:30
  He had a car upside down in the middle of the track after a high speed corner.
• 20:33
  That's a little weird.
• 20:34
  It is I mean definitely a safety issue.
• 20:37
  But we do have to move along really quick.
• 20:40
  You McLaren fans real quick give us a quick real quick recap on their race this weekend.
• 20:46
  How impressed are you with McLaren's performance this weekend.
• 20:49
  Joe.
• 20:50
  I mean they maintained where they needed to maintain.
• 20:53
  I think if I remember correctly they still lost.
• 20:58
  Who was at the who started the race second or second third.
• 21:03
  It was it was Verstappen, Sainz, Lando.
• 21:08
  I'm pretty sure it was Leclerc.
• 21:09
  Leclerc.
• 21:10
  I'll find it here.
• 21:11
  It definitely wasn't Sergio.
• 21:12
  Either way.
• 21:13
  Momentarily I got you.
• 21:14
  Ending third and fourth I think because I do remember one of the McLaren's at least one of them was fighting Ferrari for a little bit.
• 21:20
  And that was probably Leclerc.
• 21:22
  No it was Lando you're right.
• 21:23
  Because it was Sergio but he got the penalty.
• 21:25
  That's right.
• 21:26
  Yeah.
• 21:27
  So we see yeah.
• 21:29
  So we see I mean two Ferraris in that.
• 21:31
  I mean I love seeing Lando on a podium.
• 21:32
  Man I wish he got a win.
• 21:34
  I think he's probably competing for the most podiums without a win at this point.
• 21:37
  But consistent consistent drive from both of them.
• 21:40
  Really awesome to see Oscar fourth in his home race.
• 21:44
  I was kind of hoping they may throw a team order at him to let him get the third.
• 21:47
  That's not the way to do it.
• 21:48
  No definitely not.
• 21:49
  That's not the way to do it.
• 21:50
  I agree.
• 21:51
  And I don't think he wants that either.
• 21:52
  Oh yeah.
• 21:53
  Hundred percent.
• 21:54
  It was it was great though.
• 21:55
  I love seeing McLaren so high up there.
• 21:56
  Yeah I really wish Oscar would have like passed him and got got the podium for himself.
• 22:01
  But like how encouraging for McLaren.
• 22:04
  Yeah.
• 22:05
  How encouraging.
• 22:06
  So even if Verstappen doesn't you know whatever doesn't happen like there's still four or five.
• 22:09
  You know they still an incredible race for him and that car looks good.
• 22:14
  Light years ahead of the Mercedes at this point.
• 22:16
  Far ahead of Aston at this point.
• 22:18
  Like I mean if they make some major upgrades they might be able to close that gap a little bit between that Ferrari and Red Bull.
• 22:26
  But I mean in my opinion it's far and away the third fastest car on the track right now.
• 22:30
  Yeah and I think they can close the gap on Ferrari quicker than we think too.
• 22:35
  McLaren I think they'll be battling Ferrari a lot quicker.
• 22:37
  That's the thing though like I think that Ferrari is closing that gap on Red Bull so much right now.
• 22:42
  They are like you're really kind of catching them both.
• 22:44
  But that's that's like you said like to like Red Bull's got upgrades coming too.
• 22:48
  At the end of the day whoever has Adrian Newey in their headquarters is going to bring the best upgrades throughout the year.
• 22:56
  Right.
• 22:57
  And then moving right along into actually Aston.
• 23:00
  You know we kind of touched on Alonso a little bit.
• 23:03
  We should talk some Lance Searle probably.
• 23:06
  Obviously Lance finished after the penalties and whatnot.
• 23:09
  Finished what P6 for Lance and then Alonso finishing P8 after that incident.
• 23:16
  But what do we think about Aston's performance this weekend or I mean the other weekend.
• 23:23
  You know for as much as we dog stroll we got to give credit where credit's due.
• 23:27
  Finished P6 now it would have been P7 if Alonso didn't have the penalty.
• 23:31
  But like good race for Aston.
• 23:34
  That's what they kind of have to expect at this point.
• 23:36
  Anywhere from that 6 to 8 spot is kind of where that car is with the two Mercs not getting any points.
• 23:42
  You know if Lewis and Georgia in this race do they finish where they're at.
• 23:45
  Probably not.
• 23:46
  But who knows because Alonso was in front of Russell.
• 23:50
  But good race for Aston. Good weekend.
• 23:52
  Yeah the reality of it is whenever Lance is getting points for that team it's a win for that team.
• 23:57
  Even if it's 9th or 10th.
• 23:58
  So you have to take that as a big win for Lance.
• 24:00
  It was a good race from him and Alonso obviously doing what he does.
• 24:03
  Yeah got to give credit to Aston just as a whole.
• 24:06
  Definitely making strides.
• 24:08
  I think they're good for where they are right now.
• 24:11
  Looking at the times they're still 40 seconds away from Perez at the end of that race.
• 24:16
  No I mean everybody I feel like is still 40 minutes or 40 seconds away from 40 minutes.
• 24:22
  Wow.
• 24:23
  Yeah 40 seconds away from Perez in 5th place though.
• 24:26
  So they still got to work on something.
• 24:28
  That's the thing though.
• 24:29
  And Perez didn't even run a good race.
• 24:31
  He made it 1 place.
• 24:32
  Exactly and that's the thing those top three teams.
• 24:34
  Red Bull, McLaren and Ferrari at this point they're just so light years ahead of the rest of the pack.
• 24:39
  But I would think that Aston should be competing with Mercedes though.
• 24:42
  Which they did this race for a minute.
• 24:44
  But I would imagine even for the rest of the season that should be I don't know if their goal or benchmark or whatever you want to call it.
• 24:52
  But like they should be trying to compete with Mercedes right now I would think.
• 24:56
  They're beating them right now.
• 24:58
  Yeah Mercedes vs Aston I think is going to be the fight for four.
• 25:03
  Sure, sure.
• 25:04
  Yeah for sure.
• 25:06
  Let's just move right into the Williams situation with Albion crashing in FP1 and their decision to put Albion in the car.
• 25:17
  It's a lot cooler of like a situation to happen if Albion gets points.
• 25:22
  I think it's kind of just like whatever at this point.
• 25:24
  Cool obviously you're going to go with your better driver and all that.
• 25:26
  It's a lot cooler of a story to kind of dive into if he got points.
• 25:30
  It's kind of just whatever you know.
• 25:32
  No, no for sure I totally agree with you.
• 25:35
  But I think there's still something to be said that obviously they don't.
• 25:38
  I mean yeah he's your better driver but I mean it's kind of crappy for Sargent who didn't crash in FP1.
• 25:45
  They saved millions of dollars by not putting him in the car this weekend okay.
• 25:49
  Ain't that true but I mean even on that note there like how boring of a race objectively versus last year right.
• 25:57
  What do you guys think that was?
• 25:58
  Do you think because of what happened last year they were a little bit more reserved this year?
• 26:02
  100%.
• 26:03
  Because even at the start of the race like the one recent we didn't have any action in the turn one.
• 26:07
  100% and you're exactly and like my wife actually watched it with me so I was like oh get ready.
• 26:14
  Get ready.
• 26:15
  I was getting charged up and then like you know lights go out I'm like oh my god.
• 26:19
  Carnage.
• 26:20
  And then it's just carnage.
• 26:21
  And then there was no carnage.
• 26:25
  And I was like oh never mind you can go back to scrolling or whatever you're doing you know whatever.
• 26:30
  But like no I totally agree with you.
• 26:33
  I think they did feel like the drivers were more reserved.
• 26:36
  I mean towards the end everybody was getting a little more antsy but it did feel a little bit different.
• 26:42
  I would imagine they all still had PTSD from last year.
• 26:46
  I don't know.
• 26:47
  Do you think it was maybe a little bit of team direction too?
• 26:50
  Like hey there was millions upon millions of dollars worth of damage last year.
• 26:55
  Let's not have that happen again.
• 26:57
  I think it's more so kind of just I don't think it's I really don't think it's that I think it's more so around like a lot of these drivers are like okay.
• 27:04
  If I can play it safe in this first turn somebody else is going to be an idiot and I'm going to be free to get free placement right.
• 27:09
  So a lot of these teams know where they're kind of sitting in the standings.
• 27:12
  So I think a lot of these drivers expect especially the experienced drivers are like I'm not going to get crazy into this turn because there's going to be a wreck.
• 27:20
  This racer might be a couple.
• 27:21
  So I'm just going to play it safe especially if you're like Haas.
• 27:24
  Haas race an amazing race just playing it smart and you know hold out with some good points and that's huge for them.
• 27:31
  But that's also it's smart driving right.
• 27:33
  They knew people were going to wreck.
• 27:34
  They knew they're going to get moved up.
• 27:35
  Just keep racing your race.
• 27:36
  This is a race where you can be in 13th 12th and still end up in points just from racing your race and being you know consistent and not getting sucked into the rubbish like straight up.
• 27:48
  Yeah I completely agree.
• 27:50
  Maybe they were playing a little reserved.
• 27:51
  Maybe it's because De Vries wasn't on the grid anymore.
• 27:53
  There's a lot of things we can probably account it to.
• 27:55
  I will say Haas playing it safe I think for most of that race Magnuson coming out fighting Alba near the end of that race for the last point position.
• 28:05
  Making Williams weekend so bad.
• 28:08
  Going back to Logan really quick.
• 28:10
  I don't even know what to say.
• 28:13
  It just it was the I hate to say it was a perfect start to a weekend but it was only the perfect start because I think we love stuff happening on a race weekend right.
• 28:22
  I mean probably but with how much longer does he have a contract with Williams.
• 28:28
  I think they're both up at the end of this year.
• 28:30
  Are they?
• 28:31
  Half the griffins Logan there's 13 drivers that don't have a seat next year.
• 28:35
  It's the most freaking movement we've ever seen but like do you think Logan's probably out.
• 28:40
  No Logan's out.
• 28:41
  Olly Bearman has that seat lock in hand.
• 28:43
  For Williams specifically?
• 28:45
  No I'm sorry that's Haas bro I'm tweaking.
• 28:47
  Logan's native to Miami I believe right that's his home race.
• 28:50
  No Texas.
• 28:51
  Texas wants his home race.
• 28:52
  He'll be watching that one from the stands next season.
• 28:57
  No I think he actually is from Florida.
• 28:58
  I think you're right.
• 28:59
  I think I was.
• 29:00
  Yeah yeah yeah.
• 29:01
  Okay so say the line again he'll be watching Miami.
• 29:03
  He'll be watching Miami enjoying the beach enjoying the sun and watching it from the
• 29:06
  stands next year.
• 29:07
  Dang.
• 29:08
  Rough.
• 29:09
  Dang that's rough.
• 29:10
  Yeah but yeah I mean in terms of like the al-Ban it's like what a tough like decision
• 29:16
  you have to be put in as like James Vowles right.
• 29:19
  The principal for Williams.
• 29:21
  That's such a tough call and you made the right call.
• 29:23
  You have to put in Al-Ban.
• 29:25
  You have to.
• 29:26
  Is it really a tough call for him though?
• 29:28
  With how Sargent's performed all last year and this year.
• 29:31
  No I'm not saying it's a tough call.
• 29:33
  It's a tough position to be in to have to tell your driver you're not racing this weekend
• 29:37
  and we're giving your car to the other driver.
• 29:39
  Like that's not a conversation anybody wants to have right.
• 29:42
  I think it's tougher if it's not Sargent in that seat.
• 29:45
  It's irrelevant like the level of hardness of how hard it is doesn't really matter.
• 29:50
  It's still not an like it's a conversation you never want to have right.
• 29:54
  Yeah yeah yeah I guess if you want to go back a year and a half they wish they never put
• 29:57
  that guy in the freaking car.
• 29:59
  Oh my gosh.
• 30:00
  I think this is a loose loose conversation.
• 30:02
  The hate for the lone American.
• 30:03
  Yeah I think Cole's new nickname on the show should just be like the hater or whatever.
• 30:08
  Did he like DM your friend or something bro?
• 30:10
  What's going on?
• 30:11
  Geez.
• 30:12
  Well let's just let's just keep it rolling.
• 30:14
  Let's just keep it rolling.
• 30:16
  Keep it rolling.
• 30:18
  Well let's obviously talk about the V-Carbs.
• 30:22
  Yuki in points and Ricardo is once again kind of just meh.
• 30:31
  You know at least it was better this week.
• 30:33
  I had his home course.
• 30:35
  Was it?
• 30:37
  Better-ish yeah than prior weeks.
• 30:41
  He hasn't got points yet right?
• 30:43
  No he finished 17th this week bro.
• 30:45
  You had three cars that had a DNF.
• 30:46
  What do you mean he finished 17th?
• 30:48
  What are you talking about?
• 30:49
  I'm tweaking I'm looking at the driver's standings.
• 30:51
  Okay because I was stripping I was like wow I've been talking the last little bit off this thing in front of me and now I'm wrong.
• 30:57
  Oh my god.
• 30:58
  My apologies.
• 30:59
  So no finished 12th I mean that's better than what he's been doing but still not points for a guy who's gunning for that second Red Bull seat.
• 31:08
  You know I'm not trying to take anything away from Yuki but like I know we've kind of talked about it every episode so far but is Ricardo done?
• 31:17
  Like is this is this it for him?
• 31:19
  Because I don't right now he doesn't make a good argument for that that Red Bull seat at all.
• 31:24
  He sure doesn't.
• 31:25
  I mean the car.
• 31:26
  Neither does Yuki to be fair but.
• 31:28
  Yuki took advantage of the opportunity this week and got a P7.
• 31:31
  You know that's I think P7 is is probably V-Carb ceiling this year.
• 31:36
  Right that's probably where they should be if they are succeeding.
• 31:39
  They're not they would need another Australia last year where eight cars are out of the field for them to finish anywhere in the top five or anywhere near it.
• 31:45
  You know what I mean?
• 31:46
  So it's I it's the true test is Yuki versus Danny Rick right?
• 31:53
  Yuki is highly outperforming him right now.
• 31:55
  Oh 100 percent.
• 31:56
  I think in reality neither of these two are in contention for that Red Bull spot anymore.
• 32:01
  No they're just hoping to get a seat next year.
• 32:03
  Not at this point.
• 32:04
  Yeah they which they might they might maybe Williams you know.
• 32:07
  Williams might have a couple.
• 32:08
  I mean even with V-Carb.
• 32:09
  Or stay or stay.
• 32:10
  Yeah true true.
• 32:13
  Joe you got anything on the V-Carbs or I'm curious.
• 32:16
  I prefer not to comment.
• 32:18
  I mean I want Danny Rick to be doing so much better than he is man.
• 32:21
  It's I mean if you would ask last year it's unacceptable to be behind Haas and Williams right.
• 32:28
  That's kind of not the situation this year.
• 32:30
  They're obviously doing a little bit better but Yuki's above him.
• 32:34
  Danny isn't.
• 32:36
  I am curious to see if V-Carb would keep both of them on or if they would go with some fresh meat.
• 32:42
  Yeah no for sure.
• 32:44
  I guess we'll find out but it's a good chance they could stay.
• 32:48
  Haas let's just move on along to Haas.
• 32:50
  We've already talked about them a little bit.
• 32:52
  Nine and ten getting in points again.
• 32:54
  Another good run from K-Meg and I mean Hulkenberg too.
• 32:58
  I mean another great run from Haas.
• 33:00
  How about Hulk?
• 33:01
  Back to back races with points.
• 33:04
  I mean they're making an argument to come back to Haas next year if not a better seat at least.
• 33:09
  Haas has to give it to Olly Behrmann.
• 33:11
  That guy needs a chance.
• 33:13
  You think he's just a shoe-in for Haas?
• 33:15
  I do.
• 33:16
  It's nowhere else?
• 33:17
  No I mean where's he?
• 33:18
  No.
• 33:19
  Well he's a Ferrari so he's a Ferrari reserve driver.
• 33:21
  Oh that's right.
• 33:22
  And doesn't Haas use Ferrari engines?
• 33:24
  Well Haas is like a like you know how like V-Carb to Red Bull.
• 33:28
  It's not quite the same but it's almost the same as Haas to Mercedes.
• 33:34
  Sorry.
• 33:35
  Ferrari.
• 33:36
  But like last year it was kind of like I feel like they more so favored Magnussen last year
• 33:40
  especially the whole season.
• 33:41
  Right?
• 33:42
  So this year I mean Hulkenberg is the one showing out.
• 33:44
  Obviously Magnussen helped last week but as you should when he's the one out in front.
• 33:48
  Sorry the previous race not last race with Magnussen helping out and then Hulkenberg having this again this most recent week.
• 33:55
  It's interesting who do you think gets a second seat now?
• 33:59
  Because they're both racing outstanding but I mean Hulkenberg has the edge.
• 34:02
  Isn't Hulkenberg a little bit older?
• 34:04
  I think they're very close.
• 34:06
  Ah god yeah.
• 34:07
  Now that you say that they got to be close.
• 34:08
  I would think you got to give the one seat to Hulkenberg.
• 34:11
  Well I mean is there really a true one seat with Haas?
• 34:14
  Probably not.
• 34:15
  Whoever's running faster that day will be in front for Haas I would imagine.
• 34:20
  Does it even make sense for Haas?
• 34:22
  I know I think in the first episode here we shot together we talked about how Haas should just restart.
• 34:27
  Get fresh drivers young drivers.
• 34:29
  Does it make sense?
• 34:30
  I mean these guys are kind of showing out this year.
• 34:32
  They're getting more points than they have in the previous years.
• 34:34
  Especially with the amount of top cars that have been finishing in these last couple races.
• 34:40
  Does it make sense for Haas to start fresh or try to keep some of that seniority?
• 34:44
  I think it'll be a mix.
• 34:46
  I think Tyler's right.
• 34:47
  I think it'll be Ollie but I think it could be either one battling it out for that second spot.
• 34:54
  Yeah and so Hulkenberg's 36 K-Max 31 so it's five years.
• 34:59
  I didn't think it was that much.
• 35:00
  I thought they were within like one or two years right?
• 35:03
  So I mean in my opinion it would make sense to keep a Magnets in.
• 35:07
  The two rookies, the two young drivers system, it simply doesn't work.
• 35:11
  Haas learned that the hard way with Mick Schumacher and the Russian cat Mazda Spin.
• 35:18
  Yeah with Mazda Spin.
• 35:19
  So the two rookie system I don't think is going to really work.
• 35:23
  Especially for a team that they need all of the finishing in the drivers standings as they can to get that money.
• 35:30
  Because they're hanging on to threads at this point.
• 35:33
  They have been right?
• 35:34
  So I think like pairing a Ollie Baerman with a K-Meg, you know K-Meg being 31, five years younger than Hulkenberg.
• 35:39
  I think that would make a lot of sense right?
• 35:41
  If they end up in last place again though, they're clear in house.
• 35:45
  I think both drivers are gone.
• 35:47
  I don't think they're going to be in last place though.
• 35:49
  I don't think so either.
• 35:50
  With how they look even against you know with Saber, Alpine and Williams.
• 35:55
  With how poor they're looking right now and even the V-Car with the inconsistencies.
• 35:59
  Like Yuki with the six point last week is their six points this year.
• 36:03
  So yeah, they're three points up.
• 36:05
  But you know the total of that three points is so much.
• 36:09
  It means so much more at the bottom than it does in those middle packs there.
• 36:13
  Because you don't have the chance to get a P2 to get that huge difference right?
• 36:17
  Those one to two points are going to be the difference between you know six, seven, eight this year in the standings.
• 36:22
  And then that just rolls us right into Alpine.
• 36:25
  They finally ran laps under championship points.
• 36:29
  And that's it.
• 36:31
  So they're yeah, they're just not good.
• 36:34
  Straight rubbish for Alpine again.
• 36:36
  We can't really expect anything from them pretty much the rest of the season.
• 36:40
  But we'll just keep an eye on their quote upgrades and see what happens.
• 36:45
  And on obviously Saber, Steak, whatever we're calling them.
• 36:50
  You know their pit troubles just continue.
• 36:52
  The long pits, they have an issue right now with like cross threading their wheel nuts.
• 36:59
  And it's just been a huge problem all season.
• 37:01
  I actually do have a funny call out.
• 37:03
  I was watching that race and seeing them again like I think two 30 second pit stops.
• 37:07
  And then the one pit stop that they do get in normal pit stop range.
• 37:11
  I just see a little nut rolling down pit lane away from the car after it.
• 37:15
  So something's going on there.
• 37:16
  They made a bad par.
• 37:17
  They just need to get that fixed and hopefully start making points.
• 37:21
  Yeah, no doubt.
• 37:22
  And with that, I mean that kind of wraps up Australia.
• 37:25
  We'll just head right into the news.
• 37:27
  Honestly.
• 37:32
  So right off the bat, McLaren, technical director, car concept and performance, David Sanchez,
• 37:38
  only a couple months into his new position has vacated.
• 37:42
  That new position is kind of how it's been put in the news.
• 37:46
  So it's quote mutual.
• 37:48
  But as Tyler said before we started recording, there is nothing mutual in F1.
• 37:53
  You, McLaren fanboys.
• 37:55
  What's up with that?
• 37:57
  So I mean, it was like a big winter hire.
• 38:00
  You know, I looked into this a little bit.
• 38:02
  It was actually agreed upon that he would come in and actually January or February of 2023.
• 38:06
  And that was delayed.
• 38:08
  So there was already some kind of like bad blood or misunderstanding between him and Zach Brown.
• 38:12
  It the relationship wasn't able to be mended in the meantime since he did come here.
• 38:17
  It was this year.
• 38:19
  He's only been there a couple of months.
• 38:21
  And it came to a point where they disagreed that whenever their future outlook would just wasn't on the same path of what they wanted to do to develop the car and kind of take that team.
• 38:30
  So again, they mutually parted ways.
• 38:32
  But at the end of the day, in the F1 who there's no such thing as a mutual parting ways, right?
• 38:37
  He got more than likely let go.
• 38:40
  But if it was in the because they were going in different directions, there was that that disagreement there.
• 38:45
  It more of a mutual than we might think, you know, than it then it then it's led to be.
• 38:50
  But at the end of the day, if you're not going to get on the bandwagon of the higher ups and the company you're working for, it's not mutual for you to let go be let go because you're not getting on board.
• 39:00
  Well, and with that, like David Sanchez, this is also on F1.com said, like, while the role we envisioned had agreed to was not aligned with the reality of the position I found.
• 39:11
  And then, you know, we went on to say other stuff, but like that's pretty much what you were just saying.
• 39:15
  Like, maybe what they had agreed upon originally wasn't actually what was going on.
• 39:21
  And so therefore they mutually left.
• 39:23
  But maybe it is more of a actually like he quit rather than they let him go.
• 39:28
  Do you think that's any tie into like Zach Brown?
• 39:32
  I don't know. Like they painted him kind of bad in the drive to survive.
• 39:36
  Painted who bad?
• 39:37
  Zach.
• 39:38
  OK.
• 39:39
  I don't think he looked that good, kind of like they kind of in the first couple of seasons, maybe.
• 39:43
  But he's definitely like become more of the good guy recently.
• 39:46
  But yeah, I get that.
• 39:47
  And I think he's still kind of, you know, a douche behind the scenes, specifically like I'm talking about the golf when he was golfing,
• 39:54
  Orlando trying to make sure that he stayed with McLaren in the most recent drive to survive.
• 39:58
  He just looked weird.
• 39:59
  Like he just played it weird.
• 40:00
  Like the whole situation was kind of eerie and weird around Zach.
• 40:04
  And I liked him. I liked him.
• 40:05
  I kind of liked him when he first came on.
• 40:06
  I think he kind of turned the whole program around. But I think now it's just I don't know.
• 40:11
  I just get like a weird vibe from him.
• 40:12
  Do you think he's like getting a little bit of an ego, a little bit more with himself and like what he's been able to do?
• 40:17
  Like there's no doubt.
• 40:19
  Like, I agree with you.
• 40:20
  I kind of liked him at the beginning and now it's kind of evolved into something else where now I'm kind of like getting this weird vibe.
• 40:26
  But I don't know.
• 40:29
  Yeah, I don't.
• 40:30
  I don't know if it's necessarily ego.
• 40:31
  But I mean, you can kind of argue that.
• 40:33
  But also you can have ego.
• 40:35
  Last year, they were kind of trash.
• 40:37
  He kind of helped turn that car around, obviously, and made sure that everybody is pushing in the right direction to make one of the craziest jumps and F1 in a while.
• 40:45
  Right.
• 40:46
  How fast that car got, which is awesome.
• 40:48
  But I don't know.
• 40:49
  Yeah, I just get a weird vibe from him.
• 40:51
  Yeah.
• 40:52
  I mean, what they showed, I don't think that they put him in the best light in that golfing thing.
• 40:58
  You know, I'd love to see what all of the conversation was that happened behind that.
• 41:02
  You know, like there's obviously been prior discussion.
• 41:04
  And at the end, I think what drive to survive was like doing was saying like, yeah, well, they're always actively trying to make sure the drivers don't go.
• 41:10
  And it's always a business.
• 41:11
  They were kind of trying to paint it in that light.
• 41:13
  And it did.
• 41:14
  I agree.
• 41:15
  It put him made him look like it just looks super uncomfortable.
• 41:18
  It looks super uncomfortable.
• 41:20
  And they didn't paint him in the best light.
• 41:22
  I think, too, though, like he almost isn't one for the cameras.
• 41:25
  Like once he gets behind the cameras, he's kind of weird.
• 41:27
  It's kind of I would agree with that.
• 41:29
  I would agree with that.
• 41:30
  Well, I'm sorry. Yeah, I was just going to say like and that's the thing, like no matter what, as hopefully our listeners find out soon, cameras don't always, you know, paint you in the best like picture.
• 41:42
  You know what I mean?
• 41:43
  Like you got to know the vibe of the conversation, too.
• 41:46
  You know what I mean?
• 41:47
  Like that situation or whatever they're talking about or have at least a little bit more context.
• 41:52
  They're going to select and pick and choose what they put in there.
• 41:55
  You know what I mean?
• 41:56
  So they might know that he looks a little awkward or says something goofy or whatever and looks uncomfortable.
• 42:02
  Well, it's probably because he is and they chose to use that scene.
• 42:05
  But I totally give what you're saying.
• 42:07
  I like that point.
• 42:08
  But moving right along with our news, I guess, if you call it news, Alpines are going to bring some upgrades in Japan, I guess, kind of like the first step of weight reduction, you know, like a new front wing.
• 42:22
  Sounds like some of these upgrades, though, could maybe just be more for fun or trial, Joe.
• 42:29
  Like, weren't you just looking up something earlier today?
• 42:33
  And they're not going to say it outright.
• 42:35
  But from what I was reading, it very much sounded like they're kind of just throwing things at the wall right now and hoping that they stick.
• 42:41
  I don't think we're going to see any huge difference in performance from Japan.
• 42:46
  I still think they're going to be fighting for definitely trying to fight for points, but probably falling short.
• 42:52
  Yeah, it's for them to actually go into the weight reduction.
• 42:55
  It's like finally, right.
• 42:58
  It took you this long to put an emphasis on it.
• 43:00
  You know, you're three races in and it's.
• 43:03
  At the end of the day, they're light years away from points, so they have to make these upgrades.
• 43:09
  You have to use the season of the trial because the the wind tunnel, the sim hours, you can put as much hours in the sim as you want.
• 43:15
  But at the end of the day, until you get that car on track is when you get the full feel.
• 43:18
  So I think you're going to see a lot of like the the free practices and them kind of trial in the car and then the race they might at the end of the day.
• 43:27
  They have to try something right.
• 43:29
  What they're doing is not working. It's not going to work.
• 43:31
  Use the race as the trial then do what you have to do to get that car in.
• 43:35
  At least like like try to get six points on the year at this point, you know.
• 43:39
  No doubt. And like you said, you're not going to get better numbers or, you know, from what you're looking at than having the car on a real track with a real driver behind it.
• 43:49
  So in the same kind of regard, though, so in your guys's opinion, how much do you just.
• 43:55
  Take this year as an L and you put the effort into next year and ensuring that this can't happen again.
• 44:00
  They've been doing that. They're already doing that. I would guarantee you they're already doing that.
• 44:04
  They're just trying to do these little upgrades, kind of like what Joe was saying, just throwing something out there, seeing if it sticks and maybe use those similar ideas into their development next year.
• 44:14
  But with that regard, though, they don't have any drivers under contract next year.
• 44:17
  You have to put a car that wants to bring somebody in, at least they got to be working on it.
• 44:22
  If you're if you're the world class, you know, racing championship of the world, like, I mean, you got to be working on that already.
• 44:30
  You know, but I also think they still I mean, granted, they want to throw stuff at next year, but they also still want don't want to finish dead last this year.
• 44:37
  You want to know something this year. They're throwing stuff at the wall.
• 44:39
  But at the end of the day, they think it's going to work and that's why they're doing it.
• 44:42
  So I think that they still want to try to get up to that seventh spot maybe this year and try to still secure some good points and and not be the laughing stock at nine.
• 44:53
  Yeah, that's exactly it. I think they're trying to avoid being the laughing stock, no doubt.
• 44:57
  Tyler, you actually had some some hot news for us to wrap up.
• 45:01
  Yeah, I don't know if I'd call it necessarily hot news as much as just it's rumor season and the rumors are heating up and it's rumored and it's come out.
• 45:08
  Actually, I've seen it on a couple of different news outlets that Lawrence Stroll is prepared to just throw all of the money at Adrian Newey to lure him to Aston from Red Bull.
• 45:17
  Now, a lot of people would say, oh, it's a billionaire doing this, but they already took so much of Red Bull's team going into last year.
• 45:25
  So a lot of what Newey has put into place, like the developing pieces that he kind of has is almost it's not set in stone.
• 45:31
  Like, there's still obviously a lot of his team at Red Bull.
• 45:35
  But if Newey comes over and he's able to do that, do they does he bring a lot of those Red Bull team and those engineers with him?
• 45:41
  And what does that look like for Aston then? Because that would be wild.
• 45:45
  If they did that, does that paint a pretty good picture for Alonzo to stay?
• 45:51
  I mean, screw it. I'm already pretty dang quick in a car that's not quick compared to other teams.
• 45:57
  And now they're just going to make all these upgrades. I'll just stay.
• 46:01
  And how does that look for Red Bull, you know, with all that?
• 46:04
  At the end of the day, too, I mean, Stroll is here for one reason.
• 46:07
  Obviously, he's loaded. He doesn't really do this. It doesn't seem like he does this to try to make more money, right?
• 46:12
  He's here to try to win a championship. I think that's the first goal. So why not? I think just go for it.
• 46:17
  I think he should be throwing money at a lot of guys out there and just bringing them over to the team.
• 46:21
  And in that same regard, it sucks that like he has so much commitment to Lance because until Lance is out of that seat,
• 46:29
  that team will never be able to like compete for a team driver construct a constructor championship
• 46:36
  unless the car is in like Red Bull's pace right now and Alonzo or whoever takes it to the point where Verstappen can do last year.
• 46:43
  I just don't think that the team is going to be able to compete at a ridiculously high level with Stroll at that second driver.
• 46:49
  Who would you like to see in that seat? Hypothetically, real quick.
• 46:52
  So let's say that Nui goes there because that changes a lot of things under the assumption of Nui's there.
• 46:56
  I'd love to see Fernando be able to have a ridiculously good car underneath him because of what you said.
• 47:01
  He's been overperforming with the car that he's had the last two years.
• 47:05
  But I would love to see like a Cyan's with him, bro.
• 47:08
  You get the two Spaniards behind the wheels of the Astins with the car as good as a Red Bull.
• 47:12
  Holy crap, the elbows that would be pushed out by those two and be able to compete.
• 47:15
  That would be fun to watch. 100%. That would be fun to watch.
• 47:19
  Let's just wrap it up on that. That's it for our news. Let's just run right into our Japan preview.
• 47:30
  And obviously to start off our Japanese Grand Prix preview, Joe will have a kind of a recap of last year's race getting us ready for this year.
• 47:39
  Yep. Back at it with a recap for the upcoming race.
• 47:43
  I always like to start with some fun facts.
• 47:45
  Suzuka is the only figure eight track on the calendar.
• 47:48
  I guess it has that little that little bridge that goes over the track.
• 47:53
  And in the last five Suzuka GPs, which I think spans back to 2016,
• 47:58
  Max has been the only non Mercedes driver to win that race with Lewis, Botas and Nico Rosberg being the other ones to win it.
• 48:06
  Right. Last year, Japan starting grid, we saw Max, Oscar and Lando.
• 48:12
  So McLaren representation up in that front row. Love to see it.
• 48:15
  It was Oscar's first front row start as well. I'm really hoping for some strong representation this week as well.
• 48:21
  We saw McLaren pressuring Max at that start. He had to start defending against both of them right away.
• 48:26
  Of course, we get a safety car out end of lap one due to debris on the track.
• 48:30
  This is caused by Alfa Romeo, Alpine and Williams all kind of getting too close to each other and Paris starting fifth,
• 48:37
  also getting some damage by getting squeezed in between Alonso and Hamilton,
• 48:41
  needing to take immediate pit stop under the safety car for a new front wing.
• 48:46
  We saw Botas as the first DNF after Logan locks up into a corner and drives right into his rear,
• 48:51
  setting him into the air, landing on his under panel and then having to drive back to the pits to lick his wounds and retire the car.
• 48:58
  We saw the two Mercedes fighting the majority of the race, actually bumping into each other at a few points.
• 49:03
  We heard Russell on the radio kind of yell out, who do we want to fight here?
• 49:07
  Each other or the drivers obviously getting a little uncomfortable.
• 49:10
  On lap 48 of 53, we also saw team orders ask Russell and Hamilton to swap, leaving Russell open to attack from signs who takes that position.
• 49:19
  And Perez, lap 12, takes a corner sharp and drives into the back of Magnussen, giving both cars more damage than they already had.
• 49:27
  This brought out a virtual safety car to clear up some more debris.
• 49:30
  We saw Perez retiring the car after this, unable to serve his five second penalty from driving into Magnussen.
• 49:36
  Now, if I remember correctly, because he didn't serve this penalty at that race, he would have to serve it at the next one.
• 49:43
  So Red Bull decided that on lap 40, they would send him back out to serve the penalty and then retire the car right after that.
• 49:51
  This is the first time I've ever seen that happen.
• 49:54
  I'd love to hear what your guys' thoughts on that are, because I certainly have some thoughts.
• 49:58
  So is that because the car was retired, right?
• 50:02
  Because you would think they would just tack five seconds on to his end of race time, and that's where he would finish position wise.
• 50:08
  But because he didn't have an end of race time due to the DNF, is that why it would have gone to the next race?
• 50:12
  I'm thinking that this is a penalty that he had to serve in the race.
• 50:17
  And because he didn't serve it, it would be tacked on to the next one.
• 50:21
  So what's the difference of a penalty served in the race when Alonso last year in Jetta or Alonso this year with the 22nd?
• 50:28
  Where does that difference come into play, I guess, is where I'm confused.
• 50:31
  I'm thinking because they can't drop him, he's DNF'd technically, they can't drop his place.
• 50:36
  His penalty would mean nothing at that point, and I think a lot of penalties sometimes mean nothing anyway.
• 50:41
  But it was interesting. I think it was the first time I saw this combo of this penalty would be carried over and also a car coming out of retirement just to serve it.
• 50:50
  So it was retired and it came out of retirement to serve it and then re-retired?
• 50:56
  Yep, the car was in the garage on lap 12, 30 or so laps later.
• 51:01
  We see pairs coming out for a single lap just to pit, serve that penalty, go around the track one more time and then retire again.
• 51:07
  I've been watching F1 for like six years now and I didn't even know he could un-retire a car.
• 51:13
  But I mean, at the end of the day, it's a smart move by Red Bull and every other team would do that, I think, if they could get away with it.
• 51:18
  So, I mean, end of the day, I think every team is doing that.
• 51:21
  Should they get away with it though?
• 51:22
  Absolutely. I think if it's in the rules like that and the FBI keeps doing the stuff they're doing, let them do it.
• 51:29
  Well, I think what it comes down to is like when you retire in a car, right, let's put that in quotations, what does that truly mean?
• 51:36
  Is that just that you move your car into the garage and as history says, you're no longer going to race?
• 51:42
  Are you establishing to the stewards that you are no longer in this race?
• 51:45
  Does that matter in the grand scheme of things?
• 51:47
  Do the stewards need to know that?
• 51:49
  Or are you able to go in like in NASCAR, for example, you see it all the time, car gets like, you know, the whatever wreck, they come into the garage, they duct tape the living crap out of it.
• 51:58
  I know it's not duct tape and then they come out and they finish the last whatever 30, 40, 50, however long it takes to repair the car.
• 52:05
  Now, there's no benefit to the NASCAR driver in doing so.
• 52:07
  They're not going to be in points contention.
• 52:09
  So I would assume it's that same concept where NF1 the difference between you got 20 drivers versus 40, whatever it is, 45, 40, whatever it is.
• 52:19
  Right.
• 52:20
  So that points difference to get to 10 when you're 25 laps behind is simply not attainable where I don't know.
• 52:27
  Super smart on Red Bull side.
• 52:28
  I think you're right.
• 52:29
  Every other team would do it.
• 52:30
  Should I think they like should they allow it?
• 52:32
  Yeah.
• 52:33
  I mean, who's to say when a car is officially on like it lets the stewards come out and say that car is not safe to drive on the track again.
• 52:39
  Absolutely don't let them on.
• 52:40
  But the car safe.
• 52:41
  Why not?
• 52:42
  I want to kind of add to your point there, Tyler.
• 52:45
  If let's say 11 cars retired from all getting in wrecks or something like that, whoever's team gets out there and fixes their car and gets their guy out there.
• 52:53
  Why wouldn't they go out there and take the free point?
• 52:55
  I think it's the same line.
• 52:57
  So I think we can't argue that way because I think, you know, I mean, if you can get your car back out there to get the points, do it.
• 53:03
  So I think we had to look at it that way.
• 53:04
  It's a really, really, really good way to look at it.
• 53:07
  And like judging from what I just looked up, allegedly it is like it doesn't say you can't in the rules.
• 53:14
  It's just really rare.
• 53:15
  Yeah, really rare.
• 53:17
  I think the thing that I'm having the hardest part of it is that what in the rules and there has to be some sort of circumstances depending on the crash or the damage to the car.
• 53:26
  We saw that huge collision with with Joe either last year or the year before on Silverstone where he got turned over, flew into the into the wall or into barriers, ended up sideways.
• 53:38
  George got out of his car to check that, wanted to get back in his car and start racing.
• 53:42
  And the stewards said no.
• 53:43
  So I don't know.
• 53:44
  Maybe there are some rules that I'm not seeing that put both situations at a different level, but they throw in a new tire for George.
• 53:52
  He can race.
• 53:53
  Perez got like 30 laps in the garage to get his car fixed and then he was out again.
• 53:58
  He's not racing for points, but he is racing for the next race.
• 54:02
  Let me ask you this and I don't know the answer to this.
• 54:05
  Was George able to drive that car to the garage or did it get towed to the garage?
• 54:10
  It got it got towed to the garage because they didn't let him get back into the car.
• 54:14
  My second question would be did Perez last year go to the garage or did he get towed?
• 54:18
  He went to the garage himself.
• 54:19
  I think that right there is the difference. If you get like I think that right there is a difference because if you have to pull, if you have to get your tar code red flag.
• 54:26
  Red flag. Yeah.
• 54:27
  Now they might have had a red flag in the mag in the incident last year, but it wasn't been due to Perez.
• 54:30
  That's fair.
• 54:31
  Both cars were to get back to it. At that point, you're establishing there's a stop to the race.
• 54:34
  Yeah.
• 54:35
  And so I think that might be where the where it lies.
• 54:37
  If George was able to get back out of the and I think once you get out of the car on the track, you're more or less establishing that you are out of the race.
• 54:44
  Yep. I know it's I think that might have something to do with it.
• 54:47
  I don't know.
• 54:48
  You're totally right. Yeah.
• 54:49
  There's definitely different different circumstances to both situation.
• 54:54
  I'm sure you're totally right.
• 54:55
  I overlooked that the red flag in that, you know, George situation versus it's just he got it to the garage.
• 55:02
  No, those are all really good points.
• 55:04
  But again, kudos to George, though, for getting out of the car and going check in on John.
• 55:08
  Nothing else mattered.
• 55:10
  But his safe.
• 55:11
  I was gutted.
• 55:12
  Yeah.
• 55:13
  And I mean, along with all that, like, obviously all the cars do that.
• 55:16
  It's always like one of the weird things I think that a lot of people talk about is like the rules behind everything.
• 55:20
  Like we have these weird rules for this, you know, the weird rules, you know, obviously, a lot of us here are football fans.
• 55:25
  We have a ton of weird rules that we're all like, but unless they actually get brought up, nobody really thinks about them.
• 55:30
  So it's a good point you're bringing up, Joe.
• 55:32
  And it's I mean, it's kind of just like, yeah, the rule, the rules, the rule.
• 55:36
  If you know, Ferrari dealt with the same thing, they would do the same thing.
• 55:39
  I think it's kind of like, is it like sleazy?
• 55:42
  Absolutely.
• 55:43
  Yeah. But it's in the rules.
• 55:44
  Just because it's red bull.
• 55:48
  Maybe it rubs me the wrong way a little bit more.
• 55:50
  I think it also matters, too, because Japan was at the end of the year last year where Perez and Hamilton were in that battle for the second that P2.
• 55:59
  So that five seconds could have really mattered.
• 56:01
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 56:02
  Right. Well, wrapping up recap really quick.
• 56:06
  Landstroll third car to retire, followed by Logan and then Albon after that, making for a bad weekend for Williams.
• 56:12
  We saw the final Verstappen, Norris and then Piastri, a 19 second gap between first and second and then a 17 second gap between second and third.
• 56:20
  Max finished getting the points, enough points for Red Bull to get the constructors in that race.
• 56:26
  So that was declared right then and there.
• 56:28
  It was a rough weekend for Perez.
• 56:30
  Obviously, I think in my opinion, he just made some really dumb mistakes.
• 56:33
  He kept on. I was watching the recap.
• 56:34
  He kept on taking the same corner way too tight with other cars around him.
• 56:38
  And we had a really strong weekend for McLaren, both drivers proving to understand this track well, enhanced by a very good car for that time in the season.
• 56:45
  And then I know just because these three are in the rotation for podium, Ferrari, not much to note, but also a strong finish.
• 56:52
  We saw them fighting with McLaren on the pit stop strategy and then fighting Mercedes on the track, finishing fourth and sixth, Charles and Carlos respectively.
• 57:01
  So, I mean, we don't really have a ton of time, but is there is there anything we're looking for this weekend before we go into our podium predictions?
• 57:10
  I think it's the same thing as, you know, last race.
• 57:12
  I mean, everybody's watching that Ferrari Red Bull fight, see if they can actually bring it to him this race.
• 57:16
  That gap, the gap, seeing if it can get closer.
• 57:20
  On top of that, I think that is Mercedes going to show out and actually be able to battle McLaren.
• 57:25
  Yeah, and I don't think they will personally, but.
• 57:27
  And I think the same is the last couple of weeks as well.
• 57:29
  I mean, everybody's looking to see who's going to steal those points at the bottom, who's going to steal that 910 spot.
• 57:33
  And I think that's going to get another point.
• 57:36
  And if they do, this is huge at this point.
• 57:38
  They can keep, you know, stealing those points at the bottom.
• 57:40
  I mean, we're going to see them a lot higher than we used to.
• 57:43
  Yeah, for sure, for sure.
• 57:45
  So let's just head right into it then, Joe, who do you who's on your podium this weekend?
• 57:48
  Well, Max is going to have a better race than he did last few weeks ago.
• 57:52
  So he's definitely on the podium.
• 57:54
  And then I've noticed the last three, the last, well, however many pods we've been doing this for, I've said the exact same three.
• 58:02
  So I'm switching it up this week.
• 58:04
  Lando, I want him on the podium.
• 58:06
  I think he had a very strong last year.
• 58:08
  I think he's going to come out swinging again this year.
• 58:10
  And then Sines, I want him to just keep that momentum going.
• 58:13
  Perfect. And I got Max.
• 58:16
  Obviously, I don't think he does that again.
• 58:17
  I'm going to put Max at, you know, he's going to win the race, but I'll put him in my top three as well as both Ferraris.
• 58:22
  I'll put Charles and Sines up there.
• 58:25
  All right.
• 58:26
  I originally I had the same as you, Joe, but I want to have some shake up in the overall points here.
• 58:32
  So I'm going to go with Verstappen, Sines.
• 58:34
  I think Sines is in Verstappen or Loks.
• 58:36
  I really wanted Lando, but I'm going to go with Checo.
• 58:39
  Mm.
• 58:40
  Dang, that's nice because I get I'm going Max, obviously, but like, and I'm going LeClaire and I really want to go Lando.
• 58:48
  But I also have a gut feeling this is a bounce back weekend for Checo as well.
• 58:52
  So that's crazy that you said that.
• 58:53
  And I got nothing to lose being last right now in points.
• 58:56
  So I don't I'd love to see Lando instead of Checo, though, as a fan of F1.
• 59:01
  I would love to see boom, boom, boom like that.
• 59:04
  That'd be wild.
• 59:05
  Yeah, I think any any other track, I'd probably say Checo.
• 59:08
  But watching that recap from last year, he was just not.
• 59:12
  And the McLarens didn't know how to drive.
• 59:14
  McLarens. Yeah, they were they were right there.
• 59:16
  Yeah, I just think that he's going to bounce back.
• 59:18
  But for those keeping keeping score at home, Joe is currently in the lead with six points.
• 59:23
  Cole and I are tied at four and Smelty is bringing down the rear at three.
• 59:27
  So it's really anybody's ball game.
• 59:29
  But I'm bringing it down. We're just down there.
• 59:31
  I'm not like weighing it.
• 59:32
  You're the Alpine of the pod right now.
• 59:34
  Whoa. All right. Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:36
  We also do have a Red Bull.
• 59:37
  You know what? Never mind about Lando.
• 59:40
  Let's go check on you this weekend.
• 59:43
  I'm bringing down the rear. But with that, we'll just go ahead and wrap this puppy up.
• 59:47
  Obviously, you remember to like, comment, subscribe, obviously YouTube, Spotify or Apple Music, wherever you listen to the banter.
• 59:53
  And we'll see you next week. Don't forget to follow, like and subscribe. Tune in next time for more banter with the boys.