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Cleaning Moss and Lichen Off Your Roof (Without Wrecking It) -- Plus a Plain-English Guide to Urethane · Repcolite Home Improvement Show

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  Speaker 1: Well, one of the best parts to do in this
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  Speaker 1: show is that every so often the perfect guest just
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  Speaker 1: happens to walk in through the door. And that's what
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  Speaker 1: happened today. You're listening to Home and Progress by Repcolite Paints,
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  Speaker 1: sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and my guest today. He's recently
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  Speaker 1: bought an old house, his first one, and he's been
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  Speaker 1: fixing it up. He's painted rooms, his first rooms. He's
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  Speaker 1: painted cabinets, things like that, cleaned out crawl spaces. He's
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  Speaker 1: dealt with a few things living under his entryway that
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  Speaker 1: I'll let him tell you about. And he came into
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  Speaker 1: all of it with a ton of skills, but none
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  Speaker 1: of those skills were even remotely connected to painting for work.
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  Speaker 1: He's an electrician and he's been doing that for a
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  Speaker 1: while now. I can't remember how long. He'll tell me
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  Speaker 1: in a minute, handles things every day that really freaked
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  Speaker 1: me out. You know, that's what he does all day long,
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  Speaker 1: and yet painting made him nervous. Anyway, Today's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a lot of fun because I've known this guy
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  Speaker 1: for my entire life, because he's my kid. I've talked
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  Speaker 1: about it on the show for years and years and years,
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  Speaker 1: but this is his first time here. I think, Caleb,
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  Speaker 1: thanks for being here, Thanks for having me Dad. This
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  Speaker 1: is your first time, right it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about for a while.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, talked about having you come on. Are you nervous
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  Speaker 1: about it?
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  Speaker 2: No? Not really.
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  Speaker 1: No, you didn't know you were going to do that?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just came here to pick up
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  Speaker 2: some primer.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought, hey, this might be really good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put them on the radio. How long have
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  Speaker 1: you been an electrician?
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  Speaker 2: Probably about six years coming up here?
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  Speaker 1: Pretty sor right, all right, so I been doing that
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  Speaker 1: for a while. Feel really comfortable with it. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: to that later. Let's start with your house. Tell her
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  Speaker 1: everybody about it a little bit, and I guess what
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking for is just what did it look like?
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  Speaker 1: You know, what was it like that first day? You know,
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  Speaker 1: day one, you walk in, you know, what what did
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  Speaker 1: you encounter? What was it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's older. I said, it was built
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  Speaker 2: in early nineteen o one, which kind of means they
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  Speaker 2: don't really know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I was very surprised that the one good one of
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  Speaker 2: the good things about it was all the electrical had
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  Speaker 2: already been updated. So I was very happy about that, because.
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  Speaker 1: We're happy about that. That was you could have handled easily.
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  Speaker 2: I could have, but it would have been a lot
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  Speaker 2: very expensive. Stuff is not cheap right now in the
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  Speaker 2: electrical field. And then yeah, we had a bright pink
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  Speaker 2: dining room that on when we were looking online, looked
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  Speaker 2: more like a sunset, kind of like an oranger pink.
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  Speaker 2: And it was bright, bright, Barbie pink.
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  Speaker 1: It was really crazy. Yes, that pink. I forgot about
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  Speaker 1: that pink on all the pictures. It was a nice pink.
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  Speaker 1: Think I wanted to put pink in my house. Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And we walked in and it looked like pepto bismol. Oh.
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  Speaker 2: It was the brightest Barbie pink that you could think.
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  Speaker 2: And it was just it's the first room right when
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  Speaker 2: you walk in the dining room, kind of leading to
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  Speaker 2: all the other rooms. You're like, man, just hurts your brain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it did, it did.
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  Speaker 2: So we we had we had to decide what we
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  Speaker 2: were going to do with that. That was gonna be
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  Speaker 2: one of the first rooms that we tackled.
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  Speaker 1: Was that the worst thing that you found in the house,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, was that the worst thing that you encountered
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  Speaker 1: or were there you had smells?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was.
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  Speaker 1: How do you rate the pink versus the smells?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, the pink was not my biggest concern. Okay, it
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  Speaker 2: was when you walked in you could definitely tell that
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  Speaker 2: there had been multiple cats in there for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years.
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  Speaker 1: How many cats had been in there? Do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Probably four? Three or four? I know I saw three,
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  Speaker 2: but there was a rumored fourth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And you've got a dirt crawl space, yep.
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  Speaker 2: I have a little small partial basement with a crawl
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  Speaker 2: space that extends to the outsides of the house, and
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  Speaker 2: that had become the cat's litter box for probably three
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  Speaker 2: or four years.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And it literally is a crawl space. I
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  Speaker 1: know's it's probably less than a crawl space. It starts
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  Speaker 1: out about to fully crawl through the crawl so.
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  Speaker 2: You start out about two foot and then once you
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  Speaker 2: get closer to the outside of the house, it's going
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  Speaker 2: down about six to eight inches.
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  Speaker 1: So now the smell in the house. You know, I'd
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  Speaker 1: done a fair amount of spots on the show and
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  Speaker 1: on the different radio stuff that I do and on
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  Speaker 1: our social media about dealing with cat smells. And dealing.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I'm doing a whole series that I've been
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  Speaker 1: working through on smells in houses, and it's all because
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  Speaker 1: of your house.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad I could help to me.
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  Speaker 1: To me, that was so depressing. I didn't know that
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  Speaker 1: you were ever going to get that style out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, after I cleaned it the first day, clean the house,
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  Speaker 2: clean the crawl space. That was the first thing I told.
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  Speaker 1: Him about that, because you got how did you go
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  Speaker 1: about that?
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  Speaker 2: So I did a bunch of research and I asked
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  Speaker 2: my future mother in law. I asked my dad. I
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  Speaker 2: asked my mom because they'd all had animals growing up,
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  Speaker 2: so they kind of knew what to look for. And
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  Speaker 2: my future mother in law told me that I needed
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  Speaker 2: to get ensmatic cleaner. I had never heard of that before.
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  Speaker 2: So I did a bunch of research and I ended
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  Speaker 2: up buying without paying attention. The first one I bought
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  Speaker 2: was a big jug, probably gallon jug of outdoor ensomatic cleaner.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't the biggest deal. I thought it would work, and
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  Speaker 2: I went through about half of that after I got
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  Speaker 2: some of the crawl space cleaned out, and that was
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  Speaker 2: a whole fiasco. I got went and got a whole
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  Speaker 2: painter suit. I got a mask with the respirators.
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  Speaker 1: I got glove goggles and and your favorite thing that
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  Speaker 1: you bought.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love it. It's a little fourth about four
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  Speaker 2: foot maybe three foot and a half, little kids rake
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  Speaker 2: and for for a gardening rake. So it's got metal ends.
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  Speaker 2: It's got about four prongs on it.
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was so happy with that little It.
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  Speaker 1: Was so crazy because you called me, you came out
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  Speaker 1: of the crawl space, and I was just concerned about
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing. You know, you get your suit, you've
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  Speaker 1: got all your safety gear on, but all you can
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  Speaker 1: talk about was your little rake. You use it everywhere
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  Speaker 1: else in the house. You're gonna use that outside and
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  Speaker 1: use it.
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  Speaker 2: I still got that. That's got a place of honor
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  Speaker 2: in the basement. I make sure it stays on a
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  Speaker 2: shelf above where if anything happened water leakage, it'd be
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  Speaker 2: fine for years. And that's gonna be an heirloom of
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  Speaker 2: my family.
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  Speaker 1: There's ever a fire, you're grabbing the rake before you Oh,
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  Speaker 1: the rake's probably getting grabbed before my fishing poles. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so you got the crawl space raked out. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: got this ensmatic cleaner. What was the Uh.
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  Speaker 2: It was a fiasco because the outdoor one, it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of hard to tell if it was really working,
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  Speaker 2: and I couldn't and it didn't really seem to be
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  Speaker 2: covered up the smell. So I went to a store
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  Speaker 2: nearby and found that they had a cat like a
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  Speaker 2: special cat formula asthmatic cleaner, but they didn't have a
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  Speaker 2: big jug. So I ended up buying probably about eight
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  Speaker 2: small little spray bottles that I dumped into a pressure
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  Speaker 2: ized spreader.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, did that finally do it?
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  Speaker 2: After the eight? Yeah? Yeah, it's is it gone now?
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  Speaker 2: I would say it's gone. I would say the cat
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  Speaker 2: smell is gone. It is more now just musty basement
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  Speaker 2: smell sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Now we've got so much humidity and you got a humidifier.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get a humidfier.
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  Speaker 1: That removed a pair amount of smell from that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that got rid of a lot, because now when
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  Speaker 2: when you open the door, you don't get hit with
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  Speaker 2: the just Michigan basement smell. You kind of just get
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  Speaker 2: hit with the stone basement dirt. It's just kind of
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  Speaker 2: a normal smell there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so you had that cat stuff to
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  Speaker 1: deal with. There was one other spot you had a
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  Speaker 1: little little closet area where there was yeah, there was
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  Speaker 1: you thought the cats went to the bathroom.
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  Speaker 2: There was a little there's a little alcove by the stairs,
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  Speaker 2: and previous homeowner had just put that foam gym floor,
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  Speaker 2: and I think the cats must have been going to
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  Speaker 2: the bathroom on that because it must have just soaked through.
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  Speaker 2: So I cleaned that up real good, and I put
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  Speaker 2: some oil based You gave me.
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  Speaker 1: Some stuff pot of your thing. We went with a
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  Speaker 1: clear coat because a clearcoat, you know, there are other
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  Speaker 1: products that will cover a smell or block of smell
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  Speaker 1: bin primer. It's a shellac. It's a white pigmented sillac,
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  Speaker 1: but anything with pigments potentially can allow parts of that
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  Speaker 1: smell to come through. A clear coat is going to
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  Speaker 1: seal it really, really well. And I would have gone
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  Speaker 1: with a shellac. That would have been the ideal. Drives
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  Speaker 1: really fast. You was just a clear shallac. But I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have any sitting around here. I I did have
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  Speaker 1: some old Bolli era thing that I had the test
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  Speaker 1: to make because it was old. I had the test
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  Speaker 1: it make sure that it was still going to dry
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  Speaker 1: because it had been sitting in a half full can
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  Speaker 1: for probably two or three years. But I decided it
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  Speaker 1: would drive fast enough for what you needed, and that
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  Speaker 1: sealed it in. Then you can you put florine over.
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  Speaker 2: I put some new subfloor, and then I put some
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  Speaker 2: more of that poly you were thing on it, just
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  Speaker 2: to seal up all the cracks.
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  Speaker 1: One more funny thing in the house. You were calling
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  Speaker 1: me because you were working in your entryway. Mm you had.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, let's take a break a minute because I
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  Speaker 1: want to get to this story and then we'll get
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  Speaker 1: to some of the painting stuff that you tackled and
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  Speaker 1: all of that. But this story is going to take
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  Speaker 1: too long because it's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh it's very good.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to take a break. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: get to more of Caleb's house experience, and then who
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  Speaker 1: knows where we're going to go after that, but we're
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  Speaker 1: going to do that right after. This home in progress
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  Speaker 1: is brought to you by repcole Like Paints and Benjamin Moore.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people often think of paint as just another
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  Speaker 1: line item on the projects supply list. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Everything you do, every hour of prep, every stroke of
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  Speaker 1: the brush, all comes down to the quality of the paint.
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  Speaker 1: The paint is the project. Make sure it's the best.
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  Speaker 1: And we'rebecca. You're listening to Home in Progress by Repcolite Paint,
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  Speaker 1: sponsored by Benjamin Moore, and I'm in the studio with
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  Speaker 1: my son Caleb. We're talking about a new house that
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  Speaker 1: he bought. It's not new, it's old, nineteen oh one
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  Speaker 1: or something new to Caleb, and we talked about some
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  Speaker 1: of the things he was dealing with, and at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the last segment, I started to bring up
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  Speaker 1: probably the epic, the most epic part of your new
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  Speaker 1: home buying experience. But Caleb had a squirrel living above.
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  Speaker 2: His end in the breezeway ceiling, and we.
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  Speaker 1: Caught that with the home inspection and stuff, and that
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  Speaker 1: entry stunk. Oh, it was bad that one. Oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: the smell coming out of that was something else. And
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know if that would ever be good again either.
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  Speaker 1: But you got somebody out there to get the squirrel out,
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  Speaker 1: you know. He took care of that, sealed the whole
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  Speaker 1: after the squirrel was out, and then at one point
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  Speaker 1: you were going to pull the ceiling down and just
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  Speaker 1: explore what the squirrel had done up there. And I
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  Speaker 1: was very eager for that, but I was very eager
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  Speaker 1: to not be there. Yeah, oh yeah, I didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to be there for that. And anyway, you called me,
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  Speaker 1: and because I had come, I think like the day
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  Speaker 1: or two before you pulled this apart, because Andrew, your brother,
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  Speaker 1: help me paint. He was helping paint, and I came
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  Speaker 1: to see what he's doing, because Caleb's house is literally
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  Speaker 1: just a block and a half from where I work. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: And I walked in and oh my goodness, it was
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  Speaker 1: a dead smell, which again spawned the entire dealing with
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  Speaker 1: smells at your house series that I've been on. And anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking, I was scared to death that they
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  Speaker 1: had sealed squirrels in your attic, you know, in that area.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I could think it was. So I was
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  Speaker 1: very eager to hear what happened when you pull the
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  Speaker 1: ceiling down. So you pull it down, you're on the
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  Speaker 1: phone with me, there's nothing up there. And then I
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  Speaker 1: think we got off the phone and you were started
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  Speaker 1: tell me about the rest of that, because you were
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  Speaker 1: called me back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably called you back about ten minutes. I
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  Speaker 2: got the ceiling ripped down, I got all the old
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  Speaker 2: whatever was in there from the squirrel. I got that
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  Speaker 2: all put in trash bags thrown away, and it was gross,
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  Speaker 2: but it was but it wasn't terrible. I didn't find
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  Speaker 2: any dead things in the ceiling. I had to redoce
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  Speaker 2: some wiring, but that that wasn't that big of a deal.
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  Speaker 1: And then I decided which hold on, hold on, because
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  Speaker 1: that is worth talking about a minute. The squirrel had
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  Speaker 1: done some pretty serious Oh.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had done some pretty significant damage to two
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  Speaker 2: sets of wires coming out of the inside of the house,
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  Speaker 2: one to power an outlet and one to power the
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  Speaker 2: light that was in the breezeway. And we noticed my
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  Speaker 2: dad was there on one of the walkthroughs, and I
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  Speaker 2: went to flip the switch on because it was later
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  Speaker 2: at night, it was dark, and it tripped the breaker.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to stay there and figure it out,
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  Speaker 2: but wasn't my house at that point, so we just
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  Speaker 2: kind of had to reset the breaker, make sure everything
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  Speaker 2: was fine, and we left. Well, I got the ceiling
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  Speaker 2: pooled down and get everything cleaned up, and the squirrel
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  Speaker 2: hadned away the outer jacket my wiring and made all
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  Speaker 2: the wires bare copper, so my hot my neutral on
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  Speaker 2: my ground. I was very surprised because there was significant
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  Speaker 2: charring around the wires too, so I was very surprised
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  Speaker 2: that no fire or anything else had happened. So I
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  Speaker 2: was very glad that I had taken the time to
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  Speaker 2: rip the ceiling down and do it the right way, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: to find that damage, because that would have been a
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  Speaker 2: problem later on.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely something to think about. You know, we talk
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  Speaker 1: about squirrels or animals you know, that have invaded the home,
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  Speaker 1: and it's frustrating on a lot of levels. It's gross,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what are they're doing up there? But there's
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  Speaker 1: also an incredible.
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  Speaker 2: There's a significant safety concern, yeah, especially with electrical just
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  Speaker 2: because they do like to chew on it for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. If you've got animals or
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  Speaker 1: you can notice them, you know, get on it right away.
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  Speaker 1: Normally we would, but it's just scary when you think
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  Speaker 1: about it. So anyway, you got that taken care of.
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  Speaker 1: That's when I interrupted you.
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  Speaker 2: And then I looked down the floor and there it
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  Speaker 2: was just a cheap floor. So I had some extra
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  Speaker 2: vinyl left over.
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  Speaker 1: Were still getting that smell, and you thought, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know, it was getting worse because it was getting warmer,
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  Speaker 2: and I when I got the floor ripped out, I
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  Speaker 2: noticed that there had been some water damage to the
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  Speaker 2: subfloor from my breezeway door, which was a very easy
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  Speaker 2: another easy problem for me to fix. I knew exactly
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  Speaker 2: what it was, so I cut that little spot out
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  Speaker 2: and I was just gonna put new floor in that
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  Speaker 2: one spot, and I got hit with the smell of
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  Speaker 2: times ten. It was. It was terrible. So I made
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  Speaker 2: the difficult decision to cut the rest of the floor
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  Speaker 2: out and see what was wrong with it. So I
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  Speaker 2: cut the center of the floor out, I pried it open,
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  Speaker 2: and sitting right by my front door was a dead
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  Speaker 2: possum that was beginning to rot because now winter was
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  Speaker 2: gone over.
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  Speaker 1: And when you did that, you were on the phone
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  Speaker 1: with me before you found it. You called me and
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  Speaker 1: you were telling me there was nothing in the attic,
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  Speaker 1: and you were just at that point pulling up pieces
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  Speaker 1: of the floor, and you said, yeah, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: the smell, And then all of a sudden you're going, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my godness, I can't believe that, And then you were
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  Speaker 1: really annoyed, and then you said it's a dead possum,
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  Speaker 1: and do you remember My first thought was is it dead?
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  Speaker 1: Is he really dead? Because isn't this what they do?
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  Speaker 2: And I told him that I could definitely tell that
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  Speaker 2: he was dead.
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  Speaker 1: I asked you if did you touch his eye because
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  Speaker 1: I've seen that if you can touch their open eye
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  Speaker 1: and they don't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: And then I told you there was no eye, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then I said, yeah, he's probably dead. That makes sense. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that was again huge. You used your en somatic
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  Speaker 1: cleaners again, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I had to. I didn't have anything to
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: pick it up with. I didn't have any leather gloves.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't have any gloves.
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: You went and got stuff, right.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: I called my best friend, who lives five minutes away
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: from me, and he brought out his square shovel and
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: two of his an extra pair of leather gloves for
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: both of us, and we gave it a unplaned burial
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: in my front yard.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: All right in the front yard, West say why the
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: front everybody?
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: It was. It was the closest thing. My brain wasn't
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: working at that point. I was so livid.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Lots of life hart, but you got the smell out,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: You got the smell.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: I was able to find where you got in. I
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: sealed that up, and yeah, I got some endsmatic cleaner.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: And if you're dealing with the dirt, crass, space or anything,
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: and you can get it, get some garden line because
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: that actually you throw that down and that neutralizes pH
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: levels in your soil and that helps also absorb smells.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: All right, so you learned all kinds I did. All right,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: let's move on to painting stuff. Now, before this house,
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: you'd never really painted anything.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Right now, I'd helped you out as a kid, did
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: you quotation?
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: You gave me.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: You gave me a paint brush with no paint on it,
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: and you told me to go into another room. I
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: was happy with it.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: So I got to squirt the brightest now, so you
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: would roll with that? No, maybe i'd let you help.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: You let me do a wall with you closely supervising,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: which is very good because I found out my painting
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: technique was not not the greatest.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well that's what I want to get to.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: So this is your first time really doing it. It
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: really matters at this point, what did you find to
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: be the biggest struggle.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I was cutting around the corners and getting around all
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: the edges and the yeah, like the ceiling to the walls,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: because they're not gonna be the same color. And I
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: found out that was a lot, a lot harder than
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: what it looks like if you see it done or
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: watch it done.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that first day that you did that? Oh? Yeah,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: I was there with Andrew and we were painting. Oh,
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: and we were cutting in and we weren't. You guys
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: had taped everything and we took all the tape down. Yes,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: so we didn't want to work with tape and we
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: just didn't want to work with the tape there, and
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: so we started cutting in by eye and by hand.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: And you can do that pretty well once you get
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: you know, you don't need tons of practice at it,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: but you do need practice. And once you get confident,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: you've got a good brush, that's really important. Get a
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: good brush. You can cut in pretty handily. A lot
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: of people try to go to the little tiny brushes
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: thinking that's gonna help. That's worse. Get a good brush
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: you can cut in. We're doing that and you start painting,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: and we're flying and I catch up to you and
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: you've gone like a foot and a half.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Gone, Yeah, maybe three foot and that was with me.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And it was still terrible.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: It was terrible, like I had marks on the wall.
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: What did you think at that point? Did you think
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: you'd ever get it?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: I knew i'd get it, but I was not used
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to not knowing how to do something. Yeah, because I mean,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: all I've ever done for the past six years is
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I've learned how to do my job, and I can
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: do my job well now, and all of a sudden,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: I'm doing something that is linked to the trades, and
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I can do other other trades very well, fairly well.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Painting just it was a surprisingly difficult. I mean I
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: had always known it was hard. I never thought it
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: was super easy.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: But do you feel better about it now? Oh?
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could. I could definitely probably do it myself
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: now fly through. I want to say, a.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Lot of the okay, okay, that's fair. That's fair. You've
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: only done maybe two or three rooms at this point
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: because Andrew painted.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: He painted the majority and he was a huge help.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: He painted the kitchen, a lot of the dining room
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: he painted you and him painted the upstairs pretty much. Yeah,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: and then he did most of the living room. Was
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: so he is, I don't get to claim I paint
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: in my house as much as he painted my house,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: and I was there to help.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's funny with Andrew because he started his
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I think this is third year, his third year painting. Yeah,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: he does exterior work. He hadn't done a lot of
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: interior work before your house. He's doing more of that now.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: But when he started again, I hadn't let him paint
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: anything either. And that summer he was starting, he was
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: really worried that spring, and I was surprised how worried
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: he was that he wasn't going to figure it out,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: and so he wanted to practice, and so we were
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: we had a paint project and he did some of
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the work and he went in completely cold. And by
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the end of that summer, by just months into that summer,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: a month into that summer, he was already pretty confident.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, you can pick it up pretty quickly.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: It's not rocket science. He just takes some consistency and
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: some effort. All right, there's a lot more I want
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: to get to. I'm not letting. I'm not even giving
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you the option. Normally, I asked my guests if they
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: can hang over and we can just keep talking you
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: have to because you want free.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Paint your kids. So yeah, I kind of have to
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: do what you say.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: You have to do what I say. I like that.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a break and we're just gonna
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: keep going on this topic. We'll be right back. Home
• 19:12
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• 19:33
  Speaker 1: right here in the studio with Caleb Hanson, my kid,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and we're talking about his house. We're talking about first
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: times painting and what he's learned along the way, and yeah,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: just kind of working through all kinds of stuff. It's
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: kind of just a fun day. Calebs showed up to
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: get some paint. He needed primer for a project. And
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: as he was on his way here from fishing doing
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the important things, I dreamed up this idea that I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: should just interview him because it'll give me a whole
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: show that I can work with. And that's great. So
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: it's kind of selfish and self serving, but I think
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: it's good info. So anyway, we talked about you doing
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: your painting for the first time, you know, and working
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: through it, getting more confident, learning more things. I mean,
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: because now you know the right things to ask, You
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: know the right steps for things. You may not always
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: know the right exact right product, but you know you
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: need primer for this, or you suspect you need primer.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: You feel confident jumping in right. Yeah, that's all pretty good.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Now when when are you guys getting married? November?
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: November?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, So Melanie, you let her pick all
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the colors out.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's done the entire into your designing.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Of the house, and that was really smart. She's been bad,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: had lesson learned. You let her pick all the colors
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: to begin with. And when you reached out to me
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: for paint, you know, wondering what we could do and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: get you some products here, I suggest just let me
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: know the colors that you picked and we'll go from there.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: And I expected some really, you know, I expected conservative colors.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: You're somewhat conservative guy. I figured we'd get conservative colors,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and we didn't. We got a ton of dark colors
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and supersaturated colors and you know, almost a teal color
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and a deep forest green. And I thought, oh my goodness,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: because I had before that, I had offered to help
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: you paint some of these areas. And when I saw
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: these colors, I was anticipating it's going to take five
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: coats because the darker the color. People sometimes think that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: if I go with a really dark color or really
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: vivid color, there's so much color into it, it's really
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: going to cover it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Well, that's not why we bought it. But like in
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: my head, I'm like, well, if it's darker, it should
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: cover lighter colors very easily.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: That's not how it works at all. I had to
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: let you know that, and so I was anticipating a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: fair amount of coats to make this work. But we
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: went with Optima Repcolites optima, and the coverage was super great.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was blown away. And I do this
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: all the time, but you know too, that's not just me, right, No, yeah, I.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Mean, like the living room, we were very nervous because
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: that that is. That is my favorite color in the house.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite room in the house.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Do you know what color it is?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: It was Yorktown more color. Yeah, yeah, I think it
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: was Yorktown. It's the blue were kind of like a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: blue fur color.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's it's almost like a really deep teal.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And we had actually intended to get another color, and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: then we decided, you know what, We're just gonna go
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: with this color, and that actually turned out to be
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: our favorite color.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it turned out really well. And you noticed the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: coverage was really good because you did some of that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: room I did.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I cut in the majority of the room because Andrew,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: he might have been in cool.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I was in school at that time. He was coming
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: in the afternoons to do painting, and you got the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: work done, and.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: I started getting impatient, and I didn't want to take
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: it from him, but I wanted to get stuff and
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: move into so I figured I'd just go in and
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: cut it. And yeah, he showed up and I think
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I had half the room cut. So then probably in
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the next five minut and as he had the rest
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: of the room cut while I was still working on Yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: a little spot, but no.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Coverage on that stuff is really good. So if you
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: are using, you know, some colors that you're a little
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: bit concerned about with how it's going to hide optima
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: from repcolite. It's great price point and it just covers
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: in height. Part of it is optima, part of it
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: is the colorant system that we use. But together, man,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I was blown away because we almost could have done
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: everything with one coat. The right way is to always
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: put a second coat on. That second coat gives you,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you know, a completely consistent color, It gives you a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: really consistent machine and finish, and it gives you the
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: most durability and washability. But even with all of that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: in my head, since I was in my house, I
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was thinking, we almost have this with one coat, but
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: we did it with two and we were good ceilings.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: How did you like painting ceilings?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I liked it. It was definitely different because we chose
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: a white color for the ceiling. We chose a creamier white,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: which was really smart.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: By the way, I did my ceilings in the living
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: room at home, and I didn't think about it. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: haven't done a lot of ceilings. I hadn't done any
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: ceilings that I've painted that was my first one, and
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: it had its own train wreck of problems with the
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: stuff peeling from previous paint whoever, you know, the previous
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: owner painted it, and I don't know what's still going on,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: but it was peeling. I got that fixed, or at
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: least I got it covered over, and I will never
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: touch that ceiling again for fear of that happening again.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: But anyway, I just got straight white. I didn't think
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: about it. You guys got and a little bit of
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: an off white.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a kind of like a like a yellowee.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: And that's dude's talk. You know, that's a dude talking.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It's very light cream. It's not yellowy yellow e. No,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: it really makes it look finished and nice, and my
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: stark white looks a little plastic y. I will never
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: do it again. I'm going to live with it, but
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I'm a little bummed that I didn't think to go
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: with something like that. But you didn't mind painting.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: The ceilings, No, No, I didn't mind.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: See I didn't like it at all at your house
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: because the ceilings were lower, and I thought that was
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: going to make it so much easier. But it hit
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a hip rough writing and the angle was very sore
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: on my back. Oh yeah, I think I'm a tender soul. Well.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I did not like painting the angled ceilings. I did it,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: or I had Andrew do it, because yeah, he did
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: it quick. I liked painting the flat ceilings, yeah, because
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: then I could just choose a spot and I could
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: do a grid where I just went back and tough
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: to see where you're going. Yeah, it was tough, but
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I just decided to go over everything twice. Yeah.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta get good lighting, and sometimes you can see
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the wat paint, and that's how.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: We had to tell us if it was shinier than
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the spot next to us where I had stopped or
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: hadn't gotten to yet.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got all of that done. I mean,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that's all big stuff. Really really kind of cool. Now
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: today you're here because you're painting a vanity right in
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the bathroom.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yep. I tried a little experiment with my vanity. It
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: did not work the way I wanted it too, So
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I've put that on the back burner for a couple
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: of months. But now I'm tired of looking at it
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: with the drawers with no handles.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were trying to ebonize the wood, right, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: we talked about that, and it can work really well
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: with like raw oak, meer oak. What do you mix
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: vinegar and you put it mixed vinegar and.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Steel hole and you let it sit for two days
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and then you just take a normal paint brush or
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: spongebrusher and you paint over.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: It and you just brush that liquid right onto the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: wood and in like ten minutes it was instant. Yeah,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: it really. It can get really dark. And I've done
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a bunch of testing with that and it's mind blowing
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: how dark and black that oak can get. It's beautiful.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: You tried that, but yours were finished. You tried standing
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: off the finish. You couldn't get enough off. It just
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: didn't work the way you want, so bombed out. But
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you put it off. You know, got to other projects.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Now you're gonna paint them. What are you gonna paint them?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: What color?
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I got to decide that With the melanie, we're planning
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: on a darker brown maybe not maybe not like a
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: chocolate brown, but kind of like an oak brown or
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: So just getting those painted, You got your primer, you're
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: picking that all up. So moving through, How confident do
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: you feel in that project.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Besides hopefully picking out the right color. Pretty confident, all right.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, So how would you feel like
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: if you had other rooms to paint? You know, you've
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: done a little bit of painting, you feel like you
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: got enough in your head, you know what to do,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you know where to go to ask?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I mean, there's still I've still
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: got to finish paint in some of the trim in
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: some of the rooms. But I just wanted to get
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: moved in after a point, so that was something that
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: we can do it I later do all your time.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So somebody out there, who's you know, in the
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: same situation buying their first house, you know, looking at it.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Maybe they're renting and they're trying to get a place,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: and they maybe they don't have tons and tons of
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: skills for all these different things, and they hear everything
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: that you just went through, and they think, oh, my goodness,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: what would you say to somebody in that boat. You know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: whether it's painting, whether it's any of this stuff.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Just do your research and look up things, and if
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you have friends that know how to do certain things,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: ask their advice, have them over to help. But mostly
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: it was. You just got to start doing it. You'll
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: figure it out. It might it might be a little
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: tough figuring out at some points, but you just got
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to get through it. You'll figure it out and they'll
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: be very happy that you've learned that skill.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It's really cool because I didn't have a lot of
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: those skills either when I started at my house. You know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a long time, even before you guys were around. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: watched Dad do stuff, but I didn't get involved with
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: lots of it. And when I had my own there
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: was just all of a sudden. What really did it
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: for me was money. Okay, somebody can come and do
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: this and it's going to cost this much money. That
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: means we won't eat for the month. So I'm going
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to learn a new skill today to figure this out.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: And there are times there's certain things that you just
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: don't tackle on your own. You know, everybody's got their
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: own limit, and you have to know your limit. That's
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: really important to know your limit. It's okay to push
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  Speaker 1: against that limit a little bit when it's in a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: safe zone. There's a certain point where you shouldn't be
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: doing that. But yeah, I pushed against my limit. I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: didn't do everything right the first time all the time.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: But I've learned a lot of stuff, and the biggest
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: thing I learned that is what you just said, is
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that there is a pathway into it, even though I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: have no idea how to do that right now. A
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of research and we live in the age
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: where the internet is just it's right there. Doesn't mean
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: everything you're reading is accurate. You've got to double check
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in and keep reading. But you can get some good
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: insight into what you need to do and gain that confidence.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: And then once you start doing some of this stuff,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: the confidence really starts growing, yes, and you start learning
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: new skills and new things. One of the things I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: needed to learn and needed to learn to do was
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: to watch the entire YouTube video to the end. I
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: don't know if you ever did this, but I will
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: watch part of it and I'll think I know how
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: to do that. That makes perfect sense, and then I
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: just start and then I never realized that step six
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  Speaker 1: or five or whatever. There's all kinds of things that
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: m I never know.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: I have the problem where if I usually try to
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: know what the problem is, so I just try to
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: find the specific part of the video that explains a problem,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: and then I go from there and then you realize
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I'm doing something wrong, so I have to go back
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and want watch.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It again and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so watch the
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: whole video. Yeah, to make sure that understand the whole process.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: It's worth it. Uh, all right, I think let's take
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: one more break and then I want to talk about
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: the whole trades thing. Are you good with that? Oh? Yeah,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: all right, So we're going to take a break and
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: we'll be right back. We'll talk about the trades. We'll
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: talk about skip in college. Was it a good decision
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: of bad decision? We'll get to all of that right
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: after this. You're listening to Home in Progress, where the
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: projects are real, the mistakes, they're educational, sometimes painful, mostly educational,
• 30:52
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• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on your bathroom wall is your determination to get it fixed.
• 31:00
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• 31:03
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• 31:05
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• 31:09
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  Speaker 1: All White Paints and Benjamin More and it's kind of
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: a special episode. I'm in the studio with my son, Caleb. Caleb,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: thanks for hanging out with me all this time.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thanks for having me Dad.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fun. You had no idea this
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: was going to happen. You were fishing, had a day off,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: came in to get some paint, and I just sprung
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: this on you.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: And I knew something was up when you were out
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: there waiting for me by the garage door.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was waiting.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I thought I was in trouble for something.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: No. No, just like old times, I want to talk
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: about the trades before I do, though, I do think
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: this is very very quick. I'll be very quick. You
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: lived with me all your life, and I don't mean
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: this bad. Lots of kids make messes. Oh you made
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: pretty good messes.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you did. And I think you know, the last
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: four or five years, I was pretty decent, wasn't I.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I didn't ride you like crazy and boss you around.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I just kind of lived with it. Right.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Hey, you hated it.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I hated it, but I didn't say much anyway. You
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: get your house. And one of the most hilarious things
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that ever happened to me in my life was a
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: phone call that I got from you where you said,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Dad, I think I finally get it. I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: get why it's frustrating with the messes. And I said, oh,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: do tell I would really love to know more about this.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: And you said, yeah, I got my house all cleaned up,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and then I had to do something with whatever, you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the electrical got to drill out, and I got all
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: these things done, and there's a mess all over everything again.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Now I got to clean it again. I know what
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: it feels like, Dad, for you. And I said, what
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: kind of Except I would clean the house and then
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you would come in and make a mess, and then
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I would have to clean up your mass. At least
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: you're cleaning up your own mess. You've noticed that, right.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but my am I saying my messes weren't bad.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: But my messes I made in my house it was more.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: There was sawdust. There was chunks of wood everywhere. Oh,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: so it was a worse mess, yes, because there was
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: tiny little parts that I wouldn't find until the next day.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how did I miss this pile of sawdust?
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Because I could only I was doing this all in
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the wintertime, so I could only lay as many drop
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: cluss as I could out in my living room.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: All right, it sounds like you make an excuses to me.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: What's different about you know, having your own house versus.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Well, you said it one time because I also called you.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, I feel like I'm finally I don't
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: and I don't like to clean, but once I get
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: doing it, I enjoy it because it's fun. It's fun
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: sitting down and having a clean house. And then you
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: said I can't remember all of a sudden, but you
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: had said, oh, yeah, okay, I remember now because I
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: had said, man, I just I don't know why I'm
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: such a why I clean so much now? And you, well,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: it's because now you're realizing if you don't clean it,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: nobody's going to clean it, right. And I've noticed it
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: is that there's been a couple of times now where
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I've let something kind of I let the dishes kind
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: of pile up a little bit.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: It bites you.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, now I have no spoons,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: I have no forks, I have no plates.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And you've got a lot more dishes to one.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Now I gotta do dishes, and then I gotta make
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: more dishes, and I got to do the dishes.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I happened up on It is a
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: good thing.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: It is, it is.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: It's just fun to hear. Now you skipped college. Walk
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: me through that decision? Was that? Well, just walk me
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: through that decision.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: It was very difficult, it was or was it was.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Not difficul No, I I just didn't like sitting down.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I just was antsy. I want to be doing something.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Did not want to be doing this for the next
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: four years or whatever I had to do after high school.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: So I went right into the trades.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Started at just I think service professors. You started. You
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: work for Walter's Electric now, yes, and we'll throw those
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: names around. That's good and yeah, you just jumped right in.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: And was that scary at first?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Or it was a little bit, But I have I've
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: never been nervous to do new things. No, I'll always
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: at least try something once and realize I don't like it.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: But I remembered Grandpa, my dad. Yeah, your dad had
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: worked at an electrical supply store, and I remembered I
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: stole one of his tool belts. You stole it, well,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: he gave it to me. But it was because I
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: didn't want to take it off.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well that you were little, yeah, I was probably three,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: four or five. Okay, So you got to say that
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: because when you say I stole.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: That, I figured I figured it was everybody was.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Doing Walter's Electric probably not going to hire them.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Now, this was before I have all my own stuff.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: You're over your klepto stuff. That klepto phase is gone. Yes,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: So you're just little kids. So you got grandpa's tool belt.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was just that was the one thing
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: that made me decide that I wanted to cry electrical
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: because I remember Grandpa talking.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: He always did that too. So so you're five years in,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: six years in, how do you feel about it?
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Good? I feel good.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Did you think it's the right decision I do? About money? Work?
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: You know? Do you like the work? The money's been good.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Money's been good. I really do like the work, especially electrical.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: It's constantly changing with all these new fancy switches out.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Just everything's constantly updating with in the electrical field, so
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: there's always something new to learn, and you like that.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's very fun because it doesn't it keeps
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: away the monotony.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And it's really cool to me. Because you're solving problems.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: You're you're bringing up new products, mentioning things to us
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: all the time. Oh you should do this, Oh you
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: should do that. Oh we can get you a new
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: bathroom fan because your fans noisy. I talked about it
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: on the show a couple of weeks ago, I think.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: But the power line got yanked off my house by
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you know, just a spent truck in a pole, and
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you know, all this bad stuff happened, and you happened
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: to I called you for just some advice, and you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: came out to take a look, and it all worked out.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: You were able to fix the part that you needed
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to fix, because I needed to get an electrician for
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: part of this. And it was, oh my gosh, so
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: so much. It relieves so much pressure knowing that I
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: had somebody who could just do that. And it's just
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: amazing to me that you've got all of those abilities.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: What about like college debt, you got none of them.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I have no college debt. That's been very nice. If
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I had to learn how to save money, I've had
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: no no college debt.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, that's always a struggle. Everybody learns that
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: saving money thing. We don't start with that, except Maddie,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: your sister twins, she started I don't know, she just
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: knew how.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: To say she's cheap. He's a cheap skate.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: In a good way. In a good way. Yeah, sometimes
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: all right, So you've got one thing that I really
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: love about what you do is you've learned all these skills,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: these electrical skills, but as this house has unfolded around you,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: you know, and all these different things you run into.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: One thing that's so cool is that you work with electricians,
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: but you also work with all kinds of people from
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: all kinds of diff I get work.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: I work with plumbers, I work with h VAC technician,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I work with pretty much anything that needs done to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: your house, I've probably worked with.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: And so when you've got a question, you've either seen
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: people doing this stuff, or you've got somebody you can
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: reach out to who's a maybe not a friend, maybe
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: a friend.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: For most of the people I work with, and I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: enjoy work when then I see them quite often because
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: we all I work for the same contractors that they do,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: so we see each other quite often.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you had what was it the toilet
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: because the inspector came through and you know, he flushed
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the toilet and made all of that. Nobody sat on
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: the toilet. Nope, I think Melanie did.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Melanie was the one that found it. I was cleaning
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: the kitchen and she sat down and I heard her scream.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going on, so I ran
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: to the bathroom. What was going on? And she goes, well,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the toilet tilts. What do you So I put my
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: hand on it and I pushed down in it. It
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: rocked back and forth, probably about a quarter of an
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: inch more more.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: It was crazy. Yeah, I couldn't believe. It was like
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: it was like one of those little things at the
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: little park with the big springs where you sit out
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: as a little kid.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: It was terrible.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: So it looks like a duck when toilet.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: The bathroom was the one room I did not think
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I was gonna have to touch very much. And I
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: had I've redone the floor, i've redone, and once I
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: redid the floor, I realized I had to really redo
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: the floor when I saw that the toilet had never
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: gotten screwed back into the flange.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had all kinds of stuff. Did you
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: bring in a plumber or did you talk to it
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and consult a plumber for that one.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I talked to a plumber and he said it was
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: fairly simple. You just got to make sure that the
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: flange is sitting below the floor or the underlamin it,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: because if it sits up pie, you're gonna risk having
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: the same issue.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: So you got all of that fixed. You just tackled
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: all these things. You've got sources. What would you say
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to anybody out there? You know, maybe somebody out there
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: is listening who's in your boat, or maybe a parent
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: has a kid who they're not sure about, or a
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: grand you know, a grandparent has a grandchild who they're thinking.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they're thinking about doing for their career.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: What do you think about the trades you're in it?
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: What would you say to those people?
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I would say it's a very good decision. Obviously, like
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: every job, it's not for everybody. You might get into
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: it find out you don't like it. But it's something
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that you're constantly moving, you're constantly learning, you're never in
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: you're you're not in one spot for very often, for
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: very long, very often unless you're sitting on a big job.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just it's something that you're never bored
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and very rarely I should say, actually, are you bored?
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Because there's always those slow days where you don't got
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: much going on. You might have to work in the shop,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and that can just very rarely, yes, very rarely. And
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: it helps when you work for a good company like Walter's,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: like I do. I mean there's every I like everybody there.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: We all enjoy each other's company. We all poke fun
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: at each other in a good way. You're gonna get
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: that in the trades.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: You're gonna get made fun of.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Especially someone like me. I I take it as much
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: as I give it. Well, you know this dad on
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the radio. We're not the tallest of men, Dad, We're not.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: No, we got to be lifted to get things off
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the top fridge.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, yesterday it was one of my co workers.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I was unloading a big ladder from my van. I
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: need to get a ladder to get a ladder off
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: my van, and they decided they had to point that
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: out to me.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: You're a two ladder guy.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I made sure I told him. He's like, well,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I can't reach it, so I do need a little
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: bit of a help helping hand Yeah. So if you are,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: if you are shorten near in the trades, make sure
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you try to work with someone that's tall. They can
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: reach stuff that you can't.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just come with thick skin. Oh yeah, but it's
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: all meant well.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: It's all meant well. And then funny, there's always people
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: there to learn from and they're always willing to teach you,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and you just gotta be willing to learn. So as
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: long as you're willing to learn, you got a good,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: good work ethic.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's going to be physical.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is gonna be that's nice. It is nice.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: You know Andrew Andrew to your brother with all the painting.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: You know, he's moving these huge ladders around and summer,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I forget how much weight he lost. He didn't even
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: have that much weight, but no, he it all transitioned
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: into muscle.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: He he can carry ladders, extension ladders better than I can.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Because he showed me how he did with the one
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I have from my work.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Fan.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: When I lived at your house, I was we had
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: to get it out because we were helping you with
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: something on the roof, and he goes, you want to
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: see what I do? He extended that thing almost all
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: the way up. I'm like, I usually extend and take
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: it all the way down to move it. And he
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how he grabbed it. He grabbed
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: it and walked away with it. Yeah, and if I
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: had done that, I would have fallen ahead and land
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: on me.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I know. Same here, So trades, it's it's absolutely something
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: to explore. It is an option, you know, and there's
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of benefit to it, you know. Just the
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: no debt thing is huge, just to be putting money
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: away right off the bat. Well, Caleb, I'm gonna let
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you get back to your project now. Thank you so
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: much for hanging out with me. Oh, thanks for having me.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun, all right, And that's going
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to do it for this episode of Home in Progress.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: If you want to catch it again, you can find
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it online at repcol light dot com. Thanks for hanging
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: out with me and letting me just kind of have this,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: this fun conversation with my kid. Hopefully you got something
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: out of it. And yeah, have a great day everybody.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Whatever you do today makes your paints a part of it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: And I'll see you next weekend for Home in Progress.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I'm Dan Hanson. Thanks for listening to