Latest / Beyond Labels Premium / Episode #217: How Do You Know Vaccines Are Safe and Effective?

Transcript

Episode #217: How Do You Know Vaccines Are Safe and Effective? · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: They'll say vaccines have prevented 154 million deaths, including 146 million deaths among children under the age of five.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Where did this number actually come from?
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: This 154 million deaths prevented?
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: It actually came from one study published in the Lancet, and the study used modeling, multiple models, and data extrapolation when data was not available.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Hello every everybody.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another episode of Beyond Labels Podcast with your farmer Joel Salatin and our co-host, Dr.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough, who is going to dig down into the vaccine issue today.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: The main uh purpose of this um podcast is to answer the question.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, you know, we we recognize your health, your choice, your body, your choice, your, you know, it's your decision, your choice.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: But, but the purpose of this podcast is to answer the question or to help you answer the question.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: How do you know vaccines are safe and effective?
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: How do you know?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you look back through history, think about the time when people knew the earth was flat, times when people knew that uh uh the bubonic plague was caused by spirits, times when people, you know, you look back through history, think about the things that people knew at a certain time that have now been, you know, pretty pretty much debunked.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: If you believed it, you'd be a nutcase.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh, you know, we are we are far more similar to our ancestors uh than we like to admit sometimes.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times the same uh you know emotions and cycles and and and cultural norms, you know, uh threads go through uh at the same time.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: So the fact is, there is a lot right now, there is a lot of movement in the vaccine space.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's there's all the you know reports about removing the mercury, changing the schedule, a new book out titled Forbidden Facts.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh these things are all hitting us very, very rapidly.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: So if your ear is to the ground and you're being intentional about your choice, you know that there's a lot of of what we call breaking news around the vaccine subject right now.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: So, with that uh introduction, Cena, um dive in.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're gonna cover all of that today, including this new, what may be the most controversial study that's ever gained light, um, the vaxxed versus the unvaxxed study.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: So hold on tight because we got a lot to cover.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: So um as I was going through all this information, I that's the question that kept coming back to me is as individuals, as parents, how do we actually know these vaccines are safe and effective?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: Are you, for example, repeating rhetoric that you heard from the media or the CDC or your medical doctor?
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: Or have you really looked into the issue yourself?
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, if you haven't looked into it yourself, you are not alone.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: Most people have not.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't look into it until my second son was born.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: So give yourself grace, okay?
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_00: The CDC vaccine schedule has actually evolved from five vaccines in 1994 to at least 15 in 2020, and that equates to around a total of 70 doses.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this number can change um based on the types of vaccines and new recommendations, but it's somewhere around 70 some odd doses.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: So the question is, how do you know those 70 some odd doses are safe and effective?
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: Were that were studies done to test for safety?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Did any studies exist that say they aren't safe?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: And who is actually saying that they are safe and effective?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_00: Today we're gonna dive in deep and try to answer those questions.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_00: I will say that everything that I'm gonna talk about today, I will include links to original sources in the show description so you can read the information for yourself.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, let's start with the line that is repeated in order to promote vaccine effectiveness and to prevent vaccine hesitancy.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: And that line is the vaccines have prevented 154 million deaths.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, so this is the line that you'll hear in um in mainstream media, for example.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: You hear it cited by you know the CDC, um, the WHO, the World Health Organization, uh, various proponents of vaccines, they'll say vaccines have prevented 154 million deaths, including 146 million deaths among children under the age of five.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: Where did this number actually come from?
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: This 154 million deaths prevented.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_00: It actually came from one study published in the Lancet, and the study used modeling, multiple models, and data extrapolation when data was not available.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, just a couple quotes from the study.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: We synthesized age-specific vaccine coverage estimates from four data sources.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: So these are all models, okay?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: And three of those data sources came from the World Health Organization from the WHO.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: It says when country coverage was unavailable, we linearly extrapolated from known coverage in 1980.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_00: The modeling took three forms.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_00: First, impact estimates were derived through simulation of published transmission models.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: So they're basing the information on previously published models.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_00: And it runs through for measles, an ensemble of two models were used.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: For poliomyelitis, we ran a novel simulation of an existing dynamic model, and then we extended a suite of models for um influenza type B, hepatitis, rotavirus, rubella, and on and on.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: Then it says they used geographical imputation, which is estimating and replacing missing geographical data, and they use temporal extrapolation, which is modeling to predict values for any data points that don't actually exist.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so they're they're basically extrapolating to predict what they think the data should be.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then it says finally, they published the static disease burden model for all these different vaccines, um, get this, which was then used to estimate disease attributable mortality and morbility, morbidity in a hypothetical scenario of no historical vaccination for the nine vaccines considered.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, hypothetical modeling, right, it's based on a condition that does not exist, a condition that we cannot know the outcome of.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so now that you know what they used, this is what they concluded.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: The study found, I mean, in addition to, oh, these vaccines have saved 154 million lives.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: The study found that in 2024, both children and adults are more likely to survive to their next birthday if uh if no vaccinations had occurred.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, you're more likely to live versus if there were never vaccinations since 1974.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so a big, a huge conclusion based on this model and a prediction of what can't doesn't even exist and we cannot fathom.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: I will tell you, it's funded by the World Health Organization.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: And if you scroll down to the bottom of the article, uh there's a conflicts of interest section.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just going to read a couple of them to you because there's multiple authors on this paper, as you could imagine.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: So the first author said their employee, uh their employer, their employer receives funding from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Another author says they receive consulting fees from Blackstow Smith Klein, who is one of the major vaccine producers.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: Then another author, they work uh for a company that received funding from the Gates Foundation, another author, Gates Foundation, CDC, Grants from the Gates Foundation, another author, Gates Foundation, another author, Gates Foundation, CDC, National Institute of Health, another author, Gates Foundation.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's a laundry list of all of these organizations that actually profit from people getting vaccines.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, this doesn't mean that the model is wrong, okay, although although I highly question the integrity of the models, but it does introduce a possible bias.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because as I said, these are the same organizations that profit when vaccines are used.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I will say, even the CDC is not impartial.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: The CDC holds over 50 patents, known patents on vaccines, from anything from flu to HEP A to rotavirus to RSV.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: The NIH and the NAID, who was the branch of the government that Fauci Fauci did run, but the NIH they get royalties from products that are developed by the NIH, including vaccines.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: There's around maybe 1,600 scientists.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: And the first check, actually, from Moderna for the COVID vaccine that was given to them was$430 million.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was distributed amongst these NIH scientists.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: These scientists can get up to$100,000 per year per scientist for life based on these vaccines that they helped um develop.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: So what I'm saying is there is bias toward the approval.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: And Joel, I mean, I think it goes without saying that if you if you just look at this laundry list of author affiliations, there it cast at least a seed of doubt into this study.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, you know, um, I think it was Teddy Roosevelt said it was awfully hard to get a person to um uh uh to not believe something that he gets paid to believe.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: And and and and and lest anyone, as you were running through the Gates Foundation, Gates Foundation, Gates Foundation, um, and and somebody might say, well, the Gates Foundation isn't uh that's not a corporation, that's not a thing.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Bill Gates is is completely wrapped up in in um investing in pharmaceuticals.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the Gates Foundation, that that, you know, that probably is their I mean their reason for being, uh reason for, you know, in French.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um throw about my one of my French phrases here from my failed college French classes.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um that that they they actually fund, I mean, a lot of the reason the foundation continues to earn more money is because of their investments in pharmaceuticals.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that that's that's the foundation of the the current Gates Foundation.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it originally it was Microsoft, but uh now it's it's these other it's other things.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: And if you if you listen to him talk, I mean he is all about saving the world with you know with drugs.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh all about yes, and in the food as well, having the pharma crops.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: So the point of this this this first segment is when you hear the rhetoric, the vaccines have saved 154 million lives, now you know where that number comes from, and you know who funded that study.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: So just make sure that you're aware that when you need to dig deeper and not just believe that statistic.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's dig a little deeper.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, how does the government know, like the CDC, for example, that these vaccines are safe, right?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: If if you're listening to the rhetoric from the CDC, how do they know it's safe?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start by saying that there's around 2.7 million vaccine adverse events, including hospitalizations, injuries, and deaths, that have already been reported in the federal vaccine adverse events reporting system or the VAR system.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that's only been reported since it became operational in 1990.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I will say that these adverse events are grossly underreported.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_00: So this is just a small fraction of the amount of adverse events that we know have occurred.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, American children are reported to be the sickest among all developed nations.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Over 50% of our children suffer from at least one chronic health condition.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yet the CDC has never investigated whether the vaccine schedule might contribute to this epidemic until now.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: Interestingly, just last month, two medical doctors, um, who are both um, you know, they're licensed medical doctors, they filed a historic lawsuit against the Centers for Disease Control, the CDC, for recommending the childhood vaccine schedule without providing safety of that schedule.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: One of those medical doctors is Dr.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: Paul Thomas, who's actually a former pediatrician with 40 years of experience, and the other is Dr.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Kenneth Staller.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's a board for certified pediatrician for over 30 years.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, Joel, this is interesting because you got two pediatricians now saying that the CDC hasn't proven safety, and they're coming out and they're speaking because of um children that they have seen affected in their own clinics from the vaccines.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, Dr.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Paul Thomas's medical license was suspended in 2020 because he didn't adequately vaccinate pediatric patients.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: Now, days after he published a peer-reviewed study that showed vaccinated children had higher rates of chronic illness compared to the unvaccinated children in his practice, his license was revoked and the study was retracted.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: And people wonder why more people don't come and speak out.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Dr.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Stoller's medical license was revoked in 2021 because he wrote medical exemptions for children, and those exemptions were based on genetic testing.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: But apparently a doctor can't even do that anymore because his license was revoked.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Their lawsuit requests that the CDC provides adequate scientific evidence that the cumulative vaccine schedule is actually safe.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: So they are not asking for a ban of vaccines.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: They are asking for the safety testing to finally be done.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: And they claim that the CDC's framework is arbitrary and capricious, that basically decisions are being made without good scientific reason.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm going to argue they're made for political reasons, but that's a little later.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: So their complaint further states that prior to approval, individual vaccines are actually subject to only limited clinical trials.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: They generally only monitor adverse events for a few days or weeks.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: And they state that neither the FDA nor the CDC has ever required or conducted safety testing on the cumulative childhood schedule, now at 72 doses.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: So what does this mean?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: This means there's never been a gold standard study conducted on any of the vaccines that are on the childhood vaccine schedule.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: So the gold standard is a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial, like a preclinical trial, right?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: So before you give this vaccine to a bunch of kids, you should have a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial, a true placebo, meaning they're testing the vaccine versus saline, where patients and the medical doctors are blinded and then they're tracked for several years, and then the health outcomes are compared.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Not one vaccine on the CDC schedule has been through that gold standard testing.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: And Joel, this is not a secret.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is known.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: For example, Dr.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Paul Offitt, who that name should is probably very familiar to people.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: He's a pediatrician.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: He's thought of as an expert on vaccines.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was a co-inventor of a rotavirus vaccine, and he served on advisory committees for the FDA and CDC.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: So he's one of the government's go-to vaccine experts.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_00: He admitted this, that there isn't this gold standard testing done with a true placebo.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, what he said they do is they compare experimental vaccines against existing vaccines.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if you have Prevnar 13 that's coming out, like a newer version of the Prevenar vaccine, you test Prevnar 13 versus Prevnar 7.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: So you just test it against the different vaccine.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: And why?
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because they say it's unethical.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's unethical to test against a true placebo because those children aren't getting the benefits of the vaccines.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it's also known that some studies that um the some studies that are used to actually prove safety of these vaccines only monitor safety, for example, five days.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So there's one of the vaccines they only monitor safety for five days and 147 kids.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: That clearly can't capture any chronic conditions that may arise from the vaccine.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: In 2018, this was verified by Stanley Plotkin.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Stanley Plotkin is thought of as the godfather of the vaccine schedule.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's the one that wrote the 1988 textbook for vaccines that's you know used by medical doctors and such.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Stanley Plaskey was uh deposed under oath and was asked if five days was long enough to monitor for autoimmune conditions or neurological disorders from the hepatitis B vaccine.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he said no.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: He also admitted there's no control group.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yet if you look at the product insert for the hepatitis B vaccine, which by the way, anyone can do this.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you go to um your internet browser, you can type in hepatitis B, like product insert, and it pops up.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: These PDFs pop up.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: You can read them for yourself.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'll include some links in the show description.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: But if you just look at hepatitis B, I I kid you not, Joel.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like this was shocking to me.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: In the product insert, it lists under post-marketing experiences, Guillaume Maray syndrome, which is a devastating condition.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Devastating.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: It also lists, okay, transverse myelitis, right?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Another neurodegenerative condition, seizures, neuropathy, bell's palsy.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it also lists, okay, um, encephalitis, which you know can be inflammation of the brain.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: And get this multiple sclerosis.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: It actually lists that it is one of the potential side effects.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: I looked that up.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: There are on PubMed, you can find studies showing that people developed multiple sclerosis or they had a relapse in their MS, or it was made worse after getting the HEP B vaccine.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh other other uh post-marketing experiences include arthritis, tinnitus, tachycardia.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it does say under uh carcinogenesis, mutagenesis, or impairment on fertility, it has not been evaluated for its carcinogen, carcinogenic or mutagenic potential or its potential to impair fertility.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's a common statement.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: If you look through these product inserts, you're gonna see that over and over and over again.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you you can't you can't study for something that's uh that's that's 15 years down the road if you only study adverse effects for a week.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: That that's the thing.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: These these things we we know, I mean, goodness, I mean, as a farmer, uh, you know, when we when we rent a piece of ground, um, people ask, you know, how how fast will it turn around, you know, if we under good care.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and it takes about three years.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, three years for the earthworms to wake up, the biology to wake up, the, you know, all this.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, biology is, you know, this isn't a this isn't uh, you know, a mechanical, a mechanical thing, like, you know, a bearing in your car.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: You take it in the shop, you pull out the junk, the the bad one, and you stick in a new one.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's that that's mechanics.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Biology is is completely different than that in that it's spontaneous, dynamic, it's reactive, everything is reacting to everything else.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's listening, it's talking, it's communicating.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and and we've just every time I I hear this kind of thing, it it makes me go crazy on how we we as a as a Western linear reductionist culture have have mechanized everything biological and we view everything as if it's just you know parts on a car.
• 21:50
  unknown: Yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's how we're trained to see the body is as a machine.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it it does make sense that that's our common perception now is that.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: We are cars with parts.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: But so Joel, that's not the only one.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so so that's one product insert.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, here's just a couple highlights from a few other vaccines of listing these post-marketing experiences.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: MMR, measles, mumps, and rubella, seizures, encephalomyelitis, which is inflammation of the brain and spinal cord, which can lead to paralysis, cognitive issues, and personality changes.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Guillon Barr syndrome again, progressive neurological issues.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's for MMR, chicken pox, transverse myelitis, stroke, influenza, seizures, Guillain Baret syndrome, DTP, encephalitis, neurological symptoms.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Here's polio vaccine.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: The vaccine can actually cause polio.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: So um last year, this was in Gavin De Becker's book.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Last year, 560 people roughly were paralyzed from polio.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: 97% of those cases of paralysis were caused by the polio vaccine.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: And this is actually acknowledged by the government.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: There's a vaccine injury table uh that's which I'll also link.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: And this basically is the table that lists the vaccines and associated conditions under which the government is willing to compensate people for.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: And um, it's there under vaccines containing the polio live virus, poliolytic paralysis is right there.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: So this is an acknowledged thing.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, it's not some fringe belief.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: So Cena, what would happen?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: What would happen if tomorrow the New York Times did a banner headline that 550 kids had been paralyzed by taking the polio vaccine?
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they might get banned.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: No, I mean, just think of what would happen in the culture as you're going through this.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, um, the the fact is this stuff is happening, but no nobody knows it.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's it's it's complete, it's completely buried.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a it's a non-news event.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, think about think about all the stuff that breaking news on, you know, Fox and NMS NBC and CNN and CBS and ABC, and they, you know, um uh, you know, uh two two people were buried in an avalanche in Sri Lanka, you know, and it makes the front breaking news.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: 500 kids becoming paralyzed from polio vaccine doesn't even doesn't even um rate.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it doesn't fit the narrative, and and we will get into that as well.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: And that's you know, Susan Humphrey's book, Dissolving Illusions, which is next on my list.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: She does expose that.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, look, it's an encyclopedia, right?
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: This is how far I've gotten.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but she does a fantastic job going through the history.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll do that one next.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: I want her on the show because it's so dense.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, um, but no, you're absolutely right.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so the media is complicit in perpetuating this belief that vaccines are safe and effective, right?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: They perpetuate that um the rhetoric, 150 some odd million saved, you know.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so product inserts, you can look at those for yourself.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, again, I'll I'll include some in the show notes.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so then why else?
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Why do we believe the vaccines are safe, right?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: We're coming back to this question again.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_00: So many medical doctors believe that they're safe.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: And why?
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: Partly because of that rhetoric, right?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: That one Lancet study that's repeated over and over, but also because vaccine manufacturers tell them that the vaccines are safe.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: But the vaccine manufacturers have immunity due to the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, which came about because so many children were getting injured by vaccines.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: And that act granted vaccine companies immunity from lawsuits by creating the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: That program provides a no-fault alternative to traditional litigation.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: So it gives compensations for individuals injured to certain vaccines.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I told you that there's that vaccine injury table, which lists conditions for which they will give compensation.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Interestingly, Joel, conditions that they will give compensation for are seizures, encephalitis, and encephalopathy.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all of those are compensated.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Autism is not, because the autism connection has been quote unquote debunked.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yet all three of these conditions are compensated, and they all three have similar symptoms to autism, including brain inflammation and neurological side effects, altered brain activity, ADHD, language loss, loss of skills, and seizures.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: So keep in mind autism is a spectrum.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's an autogen spectrum disorder.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: And there's some more severe cases and some less severe cases.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: So there's actually no one diagnosis.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: There's no urine test or blood test, you know, to confirm somebody has autism.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: This is subjective.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: One doctor may say they have it, another doctor may say they won't.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: So it and that may be by um this is speculative, it may be by design.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: So it's interesting that even though in the autism spectrum disorders, you can have any of these three ailments.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: If it has been diagnosed as autism, it is not covered because it's been debunked.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: So who debunked the connection between vaccines and autism?
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: This is where our story gets really interesting.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was debunked, that connection was debunked by the Institute of Medicine, the IOM.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have you heard of the Institute of Medicine?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so if you think of the name Institute of Medicine, it sounds like a government agency, right?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like some prestigious government-funded agency.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the Institute of Medicine is actually part of the National Academies of Sciences.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure most of us have heard, at least in passing, the National Academy of Sciences, which that also sounds like a government organization.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: They are not.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: They are actually private organizations.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes they're funded by government and sometimes they're funded by industry, including pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly and Johnson Johnson.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: So they're not government agencies, they're supposed to be independent organizations, at least they claim to be.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, Joel, I did this just for kicks.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: If you search the internet and you ask, does the Institute of Medicine play a role in vaccine safety recommendations?
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: This is what popped up.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the Institute of Medicine has played a significant role in vaccine safety recommendations by conducting independent studies and reviews of scientific evidence.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: It has evaluated the causal relationship between vaccines and specific adverse outcomes, issued reports on vaccine safety, and makes recommendations to policymakers, practitioners, and the public.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: For example, the IOM Institute of Medicine conducted reviews that rejected a causal link between the MMR vaccine and autism, and between thimerosol-containing vaccines and autism.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: So that's Mercury.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: The IOM established committees, such as the Immunization Safety Review Committee, to provide independent and unbiased advice on vaccine safety concerns.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: The IOM works has provided crucial information to the public, healthcare providers, and policymakers, influencing public health decisions and increasing confidence in vaccine safety.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what you will find online.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Now let's see what they really do.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: So Gavin De Becker, in his book, Forbidden Facts, details this like with original sources, and he basically blows the lid off of the Institute of Medicine.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: I highly recommend this book.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: Joel, you know, I rarely read a book from front to back.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: I read this entire book.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was so good.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: So his conclusion is Cena, just so the IOM essentially is a trade, is a trade trade organization.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so basically, what he has concluded is the IOM helps the government with crisis management.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: So they don't help them with science, they don't measure things, they don't conduct the studies, they don't monitor things.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: They basically um rubber stamp what messages the CDC wants the public to hear.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, once the Institute of Medicine says this association is debunked, that's it.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: You cannot scrutinize the data, you cannot question it, or you're considered a conspiracy theorist or stupid, or you're anti-science.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: So let me run through just a couple of examples of other things they have debunked, and then let's come back to the transcript from one of their supposed closed sessions that was never supposed to be leaked.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the Institute of Medicine is responsible for debunking the connection between agent orange and soldiers being sick and their offspring having birth defects.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: So, as you know, agent orange was sprayed for around 10 years in Vietnam.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: It contains dioxin, which is a chemical weapon.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Soldiers had health issues and their offspring had birth defects.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: And IOM said, Oh, there's no connection.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: What does that mean?
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: That means those soldiers and their families were not compensated by the U.S.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: government because the IOM said, no connection, you can't blame the U.S.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: government for this.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: The IOM also debunked the um the association between baby powder causing cancer because it contained asbestos.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: So this is now shown to be true.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: Initially, Johnson Johnson, who made the baby powder, insisted that all these claims were actually misinformation.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: But Johnson Johnson, according to um Forbidden Facts, Johnson Johnson knew for decades that the asbestos was in the baby powder.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: And three different labs, in fact, had found it.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: They knew that of that data.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: So what did they do?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Johnson Johnson sent lobbyists to the FDA to claim well, the asbestos is only in less than 1% of the total formulation.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not really that bad.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was in 1971.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: It took the FDA almost 50 years to finally make that information public.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: It took until 2024.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: And the Institute of Medicine's framework was used to say that there was no association between the baby powder and the cancers.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Another one that the IOM debunked, Gulf War Syndrome, right?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: People were saying, oh, this is caused by the vaccine ingredient squaling.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: And it was leading to swelling of the brain, issues with the central nervous system.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: These are all symptoms of Gulf War syndrome, arthritis, uh, myalgia, all symptoms.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the IOM concluded, oh, there's not enough evidence to include an association with any chemical or biological exposure and Gulf War syndrome.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: So once again, you can't blame the government and you can't get compensated for it.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: The IOM also debunked that silicone implants were causing um illnesses.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: So there were about um 17,000 women and families who sued Dow Corning for the silicone implants causing neurological disease and autoimmune conditions.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: And they were winning their cases.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then the Institute of Medicine said, Oh, there's actually no association.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then people stopped winning as many cases.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: The company apparently knew decades before the lawsuits.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so IOM again swooped in.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: The anthrax vaccine, um, given to soldiers, it sometimes led to nerve damage and autoimmune disorders and blood clotting problems.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: And IOM debunked that one.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, burn pits, you know, another thing that happened in the war.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um soldiers exposed to the chemicals in burn pits had issues.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: IOM debunked that one.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: SIDS.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: SIDS in relation to vaccines.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Can you guess?
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: IOM debunked that one.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then MMR does not cause autism.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: So parents had linked this vaccine to autism, and the IOM debunked it.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: And and this is this is where I want to go now.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: This this is infuriating and and uh also um very eye-opening.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: So Dr.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Paul Offitt, who we talked about, he said, well, once the IOM came out and debunked it, he said, Well, we don't need any more evidence to assure that the vaccine is safe.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: But then he said this you can never really say MMR doesn't cause autism.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: But frankly, when you get in front of the media, you better get used to saying it because otherwise people fear a door being left open when a door shouldn't be left open.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: And now several studies have recently come out, concluding that the vaccines can cause neuroinflammation and uh inflammation of the brain.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I want to get into this.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so again, the IOM is about messaging, it helps the government during crisis management by debunking these associations.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: I want to get into this transcript.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's so many things I want to cover, but let's go to the transcript.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: So when the IOM committee was discussing the issue of MMR causing autism, uh, you know, these adverse consequences from vaccines, the committee met, and this was in 2001.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: This was supposed to be a closed session.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: So they were all told that the information was embargoed.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was it would be kept secret.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: None of this would ever be leaked to the public.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: It was leaked.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: And in Forbidden Facts, um, Gavin DeBecker lists entire sections of the transcript.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm gonna read some highlights to you now.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: So at the beginning of this closed session, uh, Kathleen Stratom says the line we will not cross in public policy is pull the vaccine or change the schedule.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: We won't say compensate, we wouldn't say pull the vaccine.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the very beginning of these sessions where their job is to be an unbiased committee analyzing all the data available, all the information, and determining if there's an association, if there's any cause and effect, any link.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: And from the get-go, they're saying we will not cross the line of changing the schedule or pulling a vaccine.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the chair says, and I quote, CDC wants us to declare, well, these things are pretty safe on a population base.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: We are not ever going to come down that autism is a true side effect.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then I know I'm like, uh Yeah, right.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm I'm I'm with you.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm with you.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: Especially as a scientist.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, this is a scientist and a parent.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, this is appalling.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like this is the point where we should be up in arms.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, um, okay, so if I can read it.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: So Dr.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Goodman says it is a growing recognition that the cumulative exposure to mercury in vaccines may exceed some of the guidelines and concerns of the possible dose response effect of increasing levels of methylmercury in vaccines and certain neurological diagnoses.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: So he's saying there is a growing concern over this cumulative exposure to mercury from these vaccines and associated neurological disorders.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: And if you go to um to the FDA's own website under thimerosol and vaccines, of course, you know, thimerosol uh mercury, um, it will say, I'm quoting here from the FDA, since the 1930s, thymerosol has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: So it's in thymerosol is 50% mercury by weight.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's been one of the most widely used preservatives in vaccines, they said.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, of course, they're saying here, oh, not a problem or whatever.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but until Kennedy came along, it actually was still in vaccines, even though the government was claiming it wasn't.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was in something like six flu vaccines still.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: Now they're trying to get aluminum addressed because that's a whole nother issue of aluminum being in vaccines.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I will tell you, and and I got more of the transcript, but let me tell you something about the mercury in vaccines.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: In 2004, Congressman Dan Burton had a subcommittee hearing and it was on mercury in vaccines.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: He wanted to know was thimerosol tested by our government?
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: So is it a safety issue, in essence?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: The then uh director of FDA's Office of Vaccine Research and Review um said this that basically was only tested by Lily in 1929.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: And Lily was the manufacturer, right?
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: And the test that they did, uh, according to his testimony, was there were 27 people who were dying of meningitis, and they gave them the the mercury the thimerosol, and they said that there's no correlation because those people died of meningitis.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: That literally that's that that was his testimony, right?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: So then then um, so in 2002, they they died of meningitis, not thimerosol.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: They were already dying.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_01: That that's what you call hand picking your hand picking your study group.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: So so get this.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: In 2002, there were thousands of lawsuits that were claiming that autism, um, the children became autistic because of the thimerosol in the vaccine.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: So what happened was Congress stepped in.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: Some Congresspeople blocked the claims.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: They inserted what's called the Eli Lilly writer.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: They inserted that writer into the massive Homeland Security Bill, and it protected the makers of thymerosol.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: Basically, uh Congressman Burton found out that the writer ordered the Justice Department to seal all the vaccine-related documents, including the secret transcripts, and if that would stop any judge from issuing compensation to vaccine-damaged children.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_00: One of the main supporters, one of the main supporters of that writer was um Senator, uh, I believe I believe his name is Bill Um Frist.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: So he received thousands of dollars from the pharma companies after the writer was passed.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: Eli Lilly donated hundreds of thousands of dollars, and they bought 5,000 copies of his book on bioterrorism.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: After leaving the Senate, Frist joined the Kaiser Permanente Foundation, and he had, he was on the uh, for 10 years, he was on different boards, including the board of Johnson Johnson.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you look at studies that have been published on this connection between mercury and autism spectrum disorder, the studies that were funded by industry um uh, you know, or public um agencies with funding from like industry um or you know, maybe government funding, 86% of those studies found no relationship between mercury and autism spectrum disorder.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_00: But if you look at the studies that were funded um not by industry or these public agencies, 79% of these studies found a relationship between mercury and autism spectrum disorder.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and now you have in the transcript from the ION's closed door session that they have acknowledged this concern and the relationship to neuro neurological diseases.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Now there's other quotes in here where they talk about how um concerns about Ray syndrome.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: And that person was interrupted and basically said, nope, nothing to see here, right?
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, another interesting quote for me was on prostate cancer, prostate health.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: So this was an example that was brought up by one of the committee members during this closed door session.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna quote this.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I was at a meeting in San Diego about a month ago about prostate cancer.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: The conclusion of the scientists is we don't know what causes.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: It we don't know how to prevent it.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know whether screening works.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know if treatment works.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: But the CDC says, yes, but that's not helpful.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: What should we actually tell people to do?
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: The scientists say the answer is we don't know.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: And the CDC says, Yes, I know, but now what do you really think?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy says, I personally end up feeling like it's okay to conclude that we don't know and end it there.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: CDC is, in my view, one of the malefactors of this issue because they are always pushing to go beyond the data and say, Yes, but so they're first of all, they're admitting another thing that they know nothing about, and they're saying they're revealing the pressure from the CDC that we this is how I interpret it.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: The people are so stupid.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: We need to guide them to tell them something so we can keep them busy doing some kind of action, you know.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: So all these screenings that we talk about, and now we know many of the screenings, um, especially ones causing uh involved involving radiation, could actually cause illness, right?
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: But they're saying basically we have to tell them something, right?
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're too stupid to make our own decisions.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: We have to be led by some federal organization.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, uh, according to Gavin Becker, he said that the committee wanted to quickly um get get their report done on this um association between the MMR vaccine and autism because they knew that some studies were coming out and they didn't want to have to deal with them.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: So there were studies coming from like Columbia University, University of Arkansas, Johns Hopkins University, University of Washington.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: And one of these studies actually included that uh concluded that injecting thermarosol could accumulate in the brain.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um and so so the IOM basically said, like, you know, we need to get this out before those things, before those things, you know, uh become public knowledge.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: So so this seen it, seeing it, I mean, as you go through the basically the minutes of the meeting, if you will, that's what you're that's what you're doing.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um these folks are just nothing but uh prostitutes.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: They're nothing but prostitutes, and they guide, they guide, I mean, it's it it it's infuriating.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: And and and let me let me ask you this, just it and this is just off the cuff.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_01: Does RFK Jr.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: know this?
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_01: I I hope so.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't know, but I think he does.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think he does.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the this is the turmoil in his soul, is he knows this.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's in a he's in an incredibly powerful position to leverage it, but has to walk this tightrope every day.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I just I mean, people like you and I, we can just we can just say the truth, and you know, it's not it's not a big deal.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um but his words have a lot of consequences, yeah, yeah, have a lot of a lot of consequences and stuff.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Push back.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: It it if he doesn't, if he didn't already know, I'm sure he will know now because Tony Lyons published this book, and you know, who knows Kennedy.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: So I would hope that he knows it now if he didn't know before, but I would suspect that he probably knew, right?
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing is, how do you bring people along?
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, right.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I'm trying to say, like, you know, you know, it's like it reminds me, the whole thing reminds me of um when Chernobyl blew.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_01: One of the most interesting stories I ever read was when Chernobyl blew and and Moscow was calling to Chernobyl.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there was this the they they thought something was going on.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: The guys in Chernobyl, they're in, they're in the control room, okay, and they're watching the graphite core of the nuclear reactor.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_01: It it exploded, and the graphite is falling on the lawn outside the the control panel window, and the and the guys in charge are telling Moscow, everything's under control, that we don't have a problem, because they so much believed in their in their safety measures, you know, that that if this happens, then this will stop it.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: If this happens, that they they they they had so much faith in their security measures that even when they're watching the graphite fall on the lawn outside, they couldn't, no, in other words, in their mind, they were not lying.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: And this is why, you know, this is why I always I always tell people when they, you know, and I get done and they say, well, this is so simple.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_01: Why didn't everybody do this?
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because you know, we have this saying, um, I'll see it when I believe it.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, that's not true.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly not in vaccines.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um we say, I'll I'll believe it, I'll believe it when I see it.
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, you will see it when you believe it.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: The belief overrides our actual sensual, you know, since our actual senses.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: But uh that that Chernobyl thing always just struck me that those guys, those guys were so were so committed to their um, you know, to the to the functioning of the of the of the reactor that they just couldn't, they just couldn't believe that it was actually blowing up.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and that's the way this is.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this this is where belief they're so they're so um um invested emotionally and uh almost to a cultish standpoint in uh the efficacy of these things that that they I mean uh other otherwise you have to say that they're all just just evil, terrible demons.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: If you say they believe it so hard they can't see it, then at least it posits a fact that, well, you know, they're actually well-meaning people.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: They just they just um they just believe in their in their system so much that they can't see the evidence otherwise.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that gives them the benefit of the doubt, you know, to not just say they're nefarious evil demons.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and I think that's easier to uh to give them that grace, too, because uh most of us did blindly believe in vaccines, right?
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and and like I said, it comes, it really comes back to this in part the rhetoric that we've all heard that 154 million lives saved, you know.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: So um it's just ingrained in us.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: And if and we were given vaccines as children, so it's something that we were raised with.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's the norm now.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you go against the norm, you are thought of as like an anti-science, or you know, you're not part of the flock anymore, you're not part of the tribe anymore.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's uh it's uh it's un-American, it's uh anti-anti-human, it's you know, all that.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_00: And and to your point, um so it's one thing for us to put this information out there and you know, to expose the corruption, it's a different thing to for Kennedy.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_00: He has to bring people along.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, now there's um blue states that are teaming up to counter right Kennedy's health policies, right?
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: The democratic governors are working together to build their own shadow public health system, which that's a whole nother podcast that we can get into, but I actually like that.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like it should be out of the federal hands.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: There shouldn't be a one-size-fits-all federal policy.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: But the point is, you already have a lot of blue states that are teaming up to say, um, we're not going to go along with it, we're gonna create our own system.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was actually um the senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security was talking about this, and um, he actually said, or the name's um Amesh Adolja, I believe.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: And Amesh said, the more people that ignore the CDC, the more people that ignore any agency that RFK Junior controls, the better off that person will be.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I know it's just there's just so much anger, it comes from fear.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: But anyhow, I want to get through the the last part of it.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one last part of the transcript that I wanted to share is there were case studies, there were numerous case studies offered of um individuals, you know, children, who had laundry lists of symptoms from the MMR vaccine.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all these case studies.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_00: And one committee one committee member found out that there's all these case studies for them to review.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is their job as this independent committee that's supposed to review the available information, right?
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_00: One committee member said, Oh, let's see them.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then another committee member responded, let's not do that.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: And the committee member said, basically, do you have time this weekend to plod through all that information?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, so they didn't look at them.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, wow.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Wow, this is just like a a really bad movie, like you know, where you're watching the movie and you're like, that would never happen.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_00: How could that ever happen?
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, and you'll love this one since we are beyond labels.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: They debated words for days, so they didn't debate the science, Joel.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: They were debating the words.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_00: How should we say this?
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: How should we parse that?
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: One person, it was almost if it wasn't real and didn't have all these consequences, it was almost comical listening to the transcript.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_00: How can we talk about this?
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know the question, and it's you know, I mean, oh my gosh, I was like, this is a room of idiots that I'm sure somebody here has paid off, like you know.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but literally, literally, they um they debated the words and they debated the word safe, it's a social justice uh judgment, it's not a scientifically defined word.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like, literally, that's what they were debating.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so now that you know the quality of assessment that the ION makes, okay.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and oh, and by the way, again, just so you remember, the IOM is the one that um provides these assessments, and the the government will um basically run with them, right?
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it determines who gets compensated and not, and so forth.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_00: So one of the things that IOM did say was that there's never truly been a vaxxed versus unvaxxed study with the placebo-controlled study, okay?
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_00: Common theme here.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's that there's never really been one.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: This was like an older report.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's never really been one of these studies.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and but regardless, um they're still safe and effective.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: So now there is one.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now there's one, and I will say first, there's actually been some before this new one came out.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, Dr.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_00: Paul Thomas, the one I told you about, who conducted a study, um, Anthony Mosson, um, just published one in 2025.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_00: These were all vaxxed versus unvaxxed studies.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: All of them show that vaccinated uh children were sicker.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and actually, there's the study on um DTAP, which is diphtheria tetanus protussis vaccine, it was actually that vaccine was associated with an increased mortality.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_00: So increased death.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: So the mortality rate was 2.3 times higher in people who got that vaccine.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: Keep in mind this is the most commonly used vaccine in the world.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, whooping cough vaccine for tuses.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: It was associated with a twofold higher rate of death.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, Christine, um, I believe her name is um stable uh Stable Ben.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: She's a professor of global health and um um at the University of South Denmark, and she authored one of these studies.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: She actually gave a TED talk and she stated, quote, the use of DTP vaccine may kill more children than it saves.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now the problem is these studies were done by independent scientists.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: They were never done by a government institution or a major medical facility, so they're not looked upon as um, you know, as impactful, as important, right?
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of our bias here.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_00: A government has to do the study or a big trusted major medical facility has to do it.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it just so happens the new study was done by a big trusted medical facility, the Henry Ford Health System.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: It is thought of as a premier medical institution.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_00: The authors said that in this study, what they did was they followed to a T the CDC's guidelines on how to conduct a vax versus unvaxxed study.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: So there shouldn't actually be any question about the methodology.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: And what makes this study so unique as well is that this was the first time vaxxed versus unvaxxed were looked at for multiple clinical outcomes over time.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: It was over like 10 years between vaccinated and completely unvaccinated children.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes someone will get partially vaccinated and they still group them in the unvaxxed.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_00: So this is completely unvaccinated.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: And this was in a captured payer environment, meaning they had access to a lot of data and they had medical records from birth through the 10 years.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_00: So they didn't rely on parents providing, oh, I think they got this vaccine then, or but that my kid was diagnosed with such and such.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_00: They actually pull the information from the medical records themselves to remove that bias.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: So this, I have this study in front of me.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: And again, we will link this.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to go through this quickly.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: It says the objective was to compare the short and long-term health outcomes within this captured payer environment of children exposed to one or more vaccines and those unexposed.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_00: They looked at um over 18,000 children, and these children were born between 2000 and 2016.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, almost 2,000 had no vaccines whatsoever.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: And about and just over 16,000 received at least one vaccine.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_00: They said, after all these adjustments, so this is a retrospective study, right?
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_00: So when you we can't do the double-blind placebo-controlled study for ethical reasons.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_00: So the next best thing is a retrospective study.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's what this is.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_00: They said after they adjusted for all these confounding variables, which is good science, okay?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: They demonstrated that exposure to vaccination was independently associated with an increased risk of developing a chronic health condition.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_00: Increased risk of asthma, autoimmune disease, atopic disease, eczema, and neurodevelopmental disorders.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm quoting here.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_00: There were no chronic health conditions associated with an increased risk in the unexposed group.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_00: So they tried to uh calculate the incident rate ratios and hazard ratios.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_00: These are just common statistical measures to see um is there an association, uh, what is the increased risk of getting a vaccine or not getting a vaccine?
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_00: This is what they said.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_00: The incident rate ratios and the hazard ratios could not be calculated for brain dysfunction, diabetes, ADHD, ticks, or behavioral learning, intellectual, or other psychological disabilities since all cases occurred in the group exposed to vaccination, and no cases occurred in the unexposed group.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: That I've never seen that in a study.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_00: Never, ever, ever.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: This shocked the study authors, shocked them.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_00: They expected to see the opposite.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yet they had to conclude.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_00: This is the conclusion.
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_00: This this study found that exposure to vaccination was independently associated with an overall 2.5-fold increase in the likelihood of developing a chronic health outcome when compared to children unexposed to vaccination.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_00: Joel, in um autoimmune disease category alone, there was a six-fold increased risk of developing an autoimmune disease if the child was vaccinated.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: They conclude this suggests that in certain children, exposure to vaccination may increase the likelihood of developing a chronic health condition, particularly for one of these conditions.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is this is groundbreaking.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is yeah, I mean, and so I will say, and there's more data we can go through here as well.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they do cite in here, some studies have found an association between vaccines and increased risk of asthma, um, atopy, eczema, autoimmune disease, and neural development disorders, as found in this studies of this study.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, almost all studies truly lack an unexposed comparator group.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the results of this study, while preliminary, suggest that we currently underestimate the group of susceptible, uh, the group susceptible to the adverse vaccines events.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_00: Then they do acknowledge this as well.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_00: Certain vaccines or adjuvants have been implicated in autoimmune conditions such as thrombocytopenia, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and Guillon Boray syndrome.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the vaccine or the adjuvants have been documented to be implicated in those conditions.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um they also, and they talk about autism there, um, but but what happened was this was um this is all documented in Dell Bigtree's um newest documentary called Um an Inconvenience Study.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so he actually went and asked um the lead author on this, Marcus Um Ziervos, who's a prominent medical doctor at the Henry Ford Health Institute.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_00: And he's exposed corruption in other areas as well.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_00: So he went to him and was said, hey, you know, this study's never been done at this level, um, you know, in a respected health institute.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_00: So can you do it?
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_00: And my only request is no matter what the outcome is, the data gets published, the study gets published.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_00: And the doctor or Dr.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_00: Marcus said, Yes, I'll do it.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_00: He finally did the study.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_00: It and then it comes out and he's like, I'm not gonna publish it.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: So Dell Bigtree meets with him over dinner and he has it on video.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_00: And he has the guy saying that, yes, this study was well done.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't change anything in it.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_00: We follow the CDC guideline 100%.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_00: It is a solid study, but I'm not going to publish it because he doesn't want to deal with the blowback.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't want to lose his career.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and it's hard to blame him, as you know, as we've already gone through.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_00: It is put yourself in his shoes, right?
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_00: But on the other hand, you have this information that parents have a right to know.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, not a right to know.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_01: They they they have a need to know.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, this isn't this isn't about rights, it's about it's about truth.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's about withholding, withholding truth, uh and and and and becoming complicit in yet another generation of degradation.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: And and if you have a if you have a a convictional bone in your body, you can't do that.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: You just can't.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: But but but we don't have convictional bones in our culture anymore.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's all about uh likes and tick tock and and um you know getting ahead.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and you know, Del Victory's um up against a lot, a lot right now.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, a lot of legal battles, and now he's been warned by the lawyers from this institution.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he was warned to cease and desist, basically.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he didn't, you know, because he's like you said, he's principal.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_00: He he he he feels convicted to get this out there.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, if you want, I mean, that documentary is out there.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_00: We can link to it so people can see it.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_00: If people want support him, he needs help at this point.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and I I think it's only started, it's just begun because now the documentary has been released.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think it even won an award, but they're gonna they're he they're probably gonna come after him.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it would be great if we can kind of support him, you know, even financial support or just you know, sending a kind letter, praying for him, something.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_00: Something because if if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't have this study, you know.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and this to me, this is this is golden.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, and there's there's so much here that we could cover.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, we're out of time.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: There, there's so much here that we can cover, but I I do want to I do want to end, if I can, with this um this quote from the IOM, in case people are still skeptical about um, you know, that all vaccines are safe.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the IOM itself said immunization is not without risk.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's well established, for example, that the oral polio vaccine can, on rare occasion, cause paralytic polio, and that some influenza vaccines have been associated with a risk of Guillon Bar Guillon Baret syndrome, and that vaccines sometimes produce anaphylactic shock.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_00: So that came from them themselves.
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's not me cherry-picking this data.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_00: They are saying that themselves.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, on another, we might want to on another podcast go into just um the criminality that every top vaccine manufacturer has been criminally fined for the worst offenses.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's a whole laundry list of all the criminal actions they've been fined for.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's incredible.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_00: And we didn't even talk about the ingredients in vaccines, like you know.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I but I wanted this one to more be of let's uncover some of the corruption.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's uncover the so so if you want to go back and ask ask yourself the question again, that's the whole point of this episode.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: How do you know that they are safe and effective?
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_00: I just gave you the information that the CDC is using, the information the vaccine manufacturers are using, the IOM is using to support the CDC's decision, and the information the medical doctors are receiving from the medical from the vaccine manufacturers.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_00: We also uh, you know, showed you that there's these product inserts you can look for yourself.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's a vaccine um injury um, what's it called?
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_00: A vaccine injury table.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so there's all this information.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_00: So now ask your question.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh ask yourself the question: how do you know these things are safe and effective?
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's powerful.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we are out of time.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, let's think about a question for our for our audience.
• 1:07:24
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, I I think after this, I would just like to pose the question at this point.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_01: Do you trust vaccines?
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just up or down.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I mean, this this is all about trust.
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, when you come down to it, who who who who do you trust?
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that we're seeing this is just yet another another crumbling, if you will, in the in the trust, the trust uh matrix of our culture.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, and and it seems like by the day we are we are um finding our trust in various institutions shattered by by uh this kind of stuff.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh so yeah, you know, where where's your trust?
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's just it's uh pretty it's pretty damning, actually.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: And uh thank you for digging into us.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's conclude there, everybody.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for joining us for another uh Beyond Labels podcast.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_01: This has been a heavy one.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for staying with us through to the end.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Cena, really, uh truly uh for for digging into this.
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_01: We we uh really appreciate you.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we will see you all next week on another Beyond Labels podcast.