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Loons: brainstacking, the H3H3 debacle, dealing with trolls, Alix Earle' Canada play, and more! · Loons: embrace, understand and ignore the internet with Carmen Vicente and Danielle Gibson

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SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Danielle.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Carmen.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is Loon's, a show where we talk about what we embrace, understand, and ignore on the internet here in 2026.
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SPEAKER_01: Carmen, how's it going?
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SPEAKER_01: It's been a big week.
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SPEAKER_01: It's been a huge week for you personally.
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SPEAKER_01: It's been a big week.
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SPEAKER_01: And I would say, as a latecomer, not to make it about us, but I think it's been a good week for us too.
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SPEAKER_01: We had our first little mini viral hit.
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SPEAKER_01: And Carmen had her big viral hit.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I have a video that's like gone massively viral on Instagram.
0:29
SPEAKER_00: So I'm just gonna retire from everything.
0:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: All the residuals you're gonna live off of from Instagram.
0:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: But then every time, like, well, I don't know if this happened with the with the JLA video.
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SPEAKER_00: Like you tell me because you've been monitoring the comments for the video.
0:43
SPEAKER_00: Monitoring.
0:44
SPEAKER_01: You don't think I'm reading little comments you guys are writing.
0:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're cool enough to read every single comment from the VAS.
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SPEAKER_00: But like every time a video goes viral and it goes over like, you know, 400,000 views, you always get some bad, some bad apples.
0:59
SPEAKER_00: You cross the threshold.
1:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: So um so I have a bit of an internet troll story to talk to you about.
1:04
SPEAKER_01: Please do.
1:05
SPEAKER_00: Please do.
1:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you've you've already commented on my LinkedIn post.
1:08
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm team Carm.
1:10
SPEAKER_01: Hi from Carm down.
1:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:11
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, so it's been a big week.
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SPEAKER_00: I was traveling last week, so we couldn't do the show last week.
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SPEAKER_00: I went to Banff, which is very on brand for this show.
1:19
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_00: Banff is not downtown Canada, but it is mountain Canada.
1:24
SPEAKER_00: Midtown Canada.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: Midtown Canada, yeah, exactly.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: It's a little up yonder.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so that was beautiful.
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SPEAKER_00: I saw two deer in the flash.
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SPEAKER_01: I think you could do that in downtown Canada too.
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unknown: What?
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SPEAKER_00: Two deer?
1:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
1:37
SPEAKER_01: Why not?
1:38
unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Um I've never been.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: No, I had never been either.
1:41
SPEAKER_00: And I thought I had, and then when I got there, I was like, nope, I've definitely never been here before.
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SPEAKER_00: Um it was beautiful, and I did like seeing the deer.
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SPEAKER_00: That was nice.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: And the mountains.
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SPEAKER_00: In the mountains, and like I've been to lots of conferences, but it made me realize like, oh, like you should be selective about your conferences.
1:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh you should make sure they're in a pretty place.
2:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Like if it's New York, yes.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: If it's banned, yes.
2:04
SPEAKER_00: If it's like somewhere Ottawa.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: Maybe not.
2:08
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
2:09
SPEAKER_00: Ottawa does have pretty parts.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it does.
2:11
SPEAKER_01: I've never been.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: I've never been.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure, you know.
2:14
SPEAKER_01: I've never been to Ottawa.
2:15
SPEAKER_01: I've never been anywhere in Canada except I've been Montreal, Toronto, Halifax, which was cold as fuck in August.
2:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:23
SPEAKER_02: Right.
2:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: In August.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
2:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, and that's it.
2:27
SPEAKER_01: That's where I've been.
2:28
SPEAKER_00: I think we should take this show on the road.
2:29
SPEAKER_00: I think we need to go to Ottawa.
2:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, show me the slides.
2:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm ready to be a believer in Ottawa's great national beauty.
2:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
2:36
SPEAKER_00: It's the capital, right?
2:37
SPEAKER_00: It's it's the capital and where nothing is happening.
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SPEAKER_01: I also think I'm sure that Katie Perry has been to Ottawa since she is in cahoots with our former prime minister.
2:47
SPEAKER_00: Speaking of the prime minister, I wasn't sure if I was gonna bring this up, but I'm just I'm gonna.
2:51
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: I had a dream that I got breast implants and was dating Justin Trudeau.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow, it was not at all what I thought would happen.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_00: I wasn't thrilled in the dream.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I wasn't like all of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Or like, yes, finally.
3:05
SPEAKER_00: All of a sudden I realized, okay, um dating, I'm dating Justin Trudeau.
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SPEAKER_00: I didn't remember the beginning of our relationship.
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SPEAKER_00: I also didn't remember the surgery of getting breast implants.
3:14
SPEAKER_03: But he was into it.
3:15
SPEAKER_00: And so I was mostly just trying to figure out what my new life was gonna be like with the breast implants.
3:20
SPEAKER_00: I wasn't as invested in the Trudeau aspect of the dream.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: No.
3:23
SPEAKER_00: But again, quite a Canadian.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: Well, once you get to it, you know, women, we're trying to decentralize men.
3:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:31
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
3:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:32
SPEAKER_01: So we don't really care if we're dating the pri former prime minister of Canada, but we do care if we're doing body modifications.
3:38
SPEAKER_01: And that's what's gonna take precedent.
3:40
SPEAKER_00: I was centralizing breast implants and I was decentralizing Justin Trudeau.
3:44
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and that's what we should all do, Katy Perry included.
3:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, well, I'm I'm very happy and very jealous that you got to go on a fun conference in Banff, which I don't know much about other than it's gorgeous.
3:55
SPEAKER_01: I believe it has the famous hotel, the uh Fairmont.
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SPEAKER_00: That's where the conference was.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: So you got to stay there?
4:01
SPEAKER_00: I got I didn't stay there.
4:03
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
4:03
SPEAKER_00: I went there.
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SPEAKER_00: Like I walked in the halls and stuff like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I mean, well, when we do our road show and we take the show all across Canada, we'll go there.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think there is another hotel there.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: As far as I can tell, this is just the one Lake Louise, Fairmont, Banff.
4:21
SPEAKER_01: If you're not having your conference or your influencer event or whatever at that hotel in Banff, you might as well just have it in Kitchener, Ontario.
4:30
SPEAKER_02: Because why would I go?
4:31
SPEAKER_02: Like, come on.
4:31
SPEAKER_02: You're an embarrassment.
4:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
4:33
SPEAKER_01: Get it together.
4:33
SPEAKER_01: Get it together.
4:34
SPEAKER_01: If you're gonna spend all of the all of the CFOs listening to this, yeah, let them spend on the Lake Louise Fairmont Banff.
4:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:42
SPEAKER_00: I have a feeling that we have a pretty high CFO.
4:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
4:45
SPEAKER_01: They want they want to know how UFC converts to cat instead of watching this show.
4:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, also, maybe we should say like it is Halloween tomorrow.
4:53
SPEAKER_00: It's Halloween, which is why we're dressed up.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: So this is our our dress up.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, we're we're not just wearing this.
5:01
SPEAKER_01: We could be, yeah.
5:02
SPEAKER_01: We could just be trying to get your intention as you scroll by, but no, it is in fact Halloween.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: And this will be published many days after this.
5:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
5:10
SPEAKER_00: So get ready for that.
5:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
5:12
SPEAKER_01: Why are you guys wearing those?
5:14
SPEAKER_01: Well, I would be happy to jump into some stuff that we understand, we embrace, we ignore on the internet.
5:21
SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm starting with an understand.
5:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
5:25
SPEAKER_01: Because this is being kicked off by it seems to me that a lot of people are not understanding the what H3H3 is.
5:33
SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of the H3H3 drama?
5:36
SPEAKER_03: No.
5:36
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so have you heard of Ethan Klein and Hila Klein and Trish Trisha Paytas?
5:41
SPEAKER_00: Yes, okay.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: So I'll tell you the limited amount I know, and then you tell me the actual thing.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
5:45
SPEAKER_00: These two people have a show together.
5:46
SPEAKER_01: Ethan and Ethan and Hila have their show H3H3.
5:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Which is an extremely long, like I think three-hour live stream that they do possibly every day.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
5:58
SPEAKER_01: They do it very often, and it's it's hugely popular.
6:01
SPEAKER_01: Hugely popular.
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unknown: Got it.
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SPEAKER_01: What I'm talking about, H3H3?
6:08
SPEAKER_00: Okay, but what does H, what's the H part of it?
6:10
SPEAKER_01: I think it just stands for their names in some capacity.
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SPEAKER_01: They all have they have H in their name and whatever.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: All right.
6:16
SPEAKER_00: And what's Trisha Paytas got to do with that?
6:17
SPEAKER_01: Trisha Paytas and Ethan Klein previously had a podcast together called Frenemies.
6:21
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: Where they actually dress like this.
6:23
SPEAKER_00: Ah, just cuz they had a falling out.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: She got mad at them.
6:26
SPEAKER_01: They had a major falling out.
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SPEAKER_01: She is now married to Gila, Ethan's wife's brother.
6:32
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
6:32
SPEAKER_01: So they are connected, but I guess they are no contact.
6:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, they're they're feud feuding, they are not friends, any of them.
6:40
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
6:40
SPEAKER_01: But so recently, this past week, news broke of Gila saying that Ethan Klein, my husband, is cheating on me.
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SPEAKER_01: They've been together for whatever, 20 years.
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SPEAKER_01: And Ethan very famously was a wife guy.
6:55
SPEAKER_01: So that's why this also sent like shockwaves throughout the YouTube community.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay.
7:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, because it and he his podcast and his sort of online strategy or his what he does is he makes fun of people.
7:09
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:09
SPEAKER_01: And some of them quite deserving.
7:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but he does, he talks about drama, he talks about what's going on in the internet culture.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: He's judging.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
7:17
SPEAKER_01: And not unlike what I have never done in this podcast.
7:22
SPEAKER_01: But there's also, there's a whole, I mean, there is a whole, you know, Middle East uh flavor to this that I am not going to get into much that that exists as well.
7:32
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: But anyway, this the fact that the divorce is what sent shockwaves, okay?
7:37
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
7:37
SPEAKER_01: And I just saw a lot of people, mainly on X, um, our favorite platform.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: Our favorite platform.
7:43
SPEAKER_01: And people I I really like and respect, you know, like internet culture writers or people who are very online, sort of saying, Who cares about this?
7:52
SPEAKER_01: Why would anyone care about H3H?
7:54
SPEAKER_01: How did how do so many people know about H3H3?
7:57
SPEAKER_01: And I am by no means a big H3H3 fan.
8:01
SPEAKER_01: I have watched, I think, two or three episodes.
8:04
SPEAKER_01: And mainly because I saw clips of the podcast on TikTok, and it had clips of something that I thought was funny.
8:11
SPEAKER_01: One was Evan Klein interviewing a Manosphere person and absolutely destroying this, he destroys.
8:19
SPEAKER_01: Watch as he destroys this Manosphere guy.
8:21
SPEAKER_01: But he did.
8:21
SPEAKER_01: He did a great job.
8:22
SPEAKER_01: I thought it was really funny.
8:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:23
SPEAKER_01: And I enjoyed that podcast.
8:25
SPEAKER_01: I think I've watched a couple other more others.
8:28
SPEAKER_01: And I just thought this is so weird that um people who I consider quite plugged in are saying, Oh, who would watch this?
8:37
SPEAKER_01: Who would care about this?
8:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:38
SPEAKER_01: That is a weird question to ask.
8:42
SPEAKER_01: They get millions of views on this extremely long podcast.
8:46
SPEAKER_01: And all podcasts, maybe not all, but particularly live podcasts, to me are just replacing radio in some capacity.
8:56
SPEAKER_01: It's like I just want to have the the voices I'm familiar with on as I do my work, as I study, as I'm cleaning the house, whatever it is.
9:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like live television or live radio.
9:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:07
SPEAKER_01: It is not surprising to me in the least that that would be a fun, regular habit part of people's content diet that they're watching.
9:17
SPEAKER_01: So I just thought that was very strange.
9:19
SPEAKER_01: And I would like to go on the record.
9:20
SPEAKER_01: I understand.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: I am not a huge fan, and I'm not like taking sides on anything.
9:24
SPEAKER_01: I'm not that into it.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: But I of course understand why this would be something people like.
9:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, also I feel like, you know, social media teaches you, whether it's like YouTube or TikTok or whatever, like sometimes I'll see a video from somebody and it'll have a tons of engagement on it, tons of views.
9:40
SPEAKER_00: And I'll think, oh, like quite literally never seen this person before.
9:43
SPEAKER_00: I'll like click on, I'll click on their their profile and I'll see that they have like a cool three million followers or something, right?
9:49
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that happens all the time.
9:50
SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: And it's like when you do that enough times, like when you're online enough and when you kind of like understand that that's how social media works, especially on like say YouTube, it's like the there are there are people who have millions of followers who you've never heard of and just accept that like subcultures and you know, like fan cohorts, like they're everywhere.
10:09
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, and rabid, rabid fans.
10:12
SPEAKER_01: Like it's not just the show, they have a clothing line, they have products, they have offshoots.
10:16
SPEAKER_01: Like the producers of the show probably have their spin-off show that you watch afterwards.
10:21
SPEAKER_01: Like it's a whole ecosystem.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and I just I found it quite beguiling, but I bewildering that um people who I consider very well-versed in the internet were sort of looking down on it.
10:33
SPEAKER_01: I don't think you have to, I certainly do not think that everything popular online you have to agree is good, or that you have to really understand it.
10:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you have to understand that there are people out there that this appeals to, obviously.
10:49
SPEAKER_01: And and not, I I don't know.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: I kind of rub up against like snobbery, even though I'm sure I can be a snob in my own ways, but like I it that kind of threw me.
11:02
SPEAKER_01: This is not what the drama is about whatsoever, but it's just that reaction to this drama that really threw me.
11:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got an email like when I was walking over here, I like I got an email notification from I've subscribed to Ann Friedman's newsletter for like I don't know, forever.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: And the subject header, like it struck me.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: It definitely was like a good, like, I definitely just opened it.
11:20
SPEAKER_00: And it was something like I was talking about the the Nathan Fielder movie, and she said, Do I like did I like it?
11:27
SPEAKER_00: Wrong question.
11:28
SPEAKER_00: And and I just was thinking, she starts to go on about like it's not about liking something or not liking it.
11:33
SPEAKER_00: And I feel sort of similarly about this.
11:34
SPEAKER_00: Like, even if you don't think Ethan McKlein or whatever is an interesting figure, like that doesn't there's there's other people, right?
11:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like except that it's like um captivating content.
11:43
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
11:44
SPEAKER_01: It's captivating to someone, it doesn't have to be to you.
11:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that was just one thing that yeah, kind of blew me away.
11:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay, let me see what I've got for you.
11:53
SPEAKER_00: Well, do you want me to tell you about your my internet troll?
11:56
SPEAKER_01: Please do.
11:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: So I've been dying to tell you.
11:58
SPEAKER_00: So, okay, I make a video about five, it's so stupid.
12:03
SPEAKER_00: It's like a listicle, five um non-technical skills that can like make you better at anything.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, one of them's like reading comprehension.
12:10
SPEAKER_00: Like I thought it was like quite an earnest video where I was talking about like, yeah, these are things that in an AI killing puppies.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
12:17
SPEAKER_00: Being a total giant bitch.
12:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:20
SPEAKER_00: Um I was just like, yeah, we kind of are in like an AI pilled or like tech pilled sort of world right now.
12:25
SPEAKER_00: And like, here's some things you can work on that have nothing to do with like what your tech stack is.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: So then this guy comments, your sources.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, Source?
12:34
SPEAKER_00: Source, please?
12:35
SPEAKER_00: Like sources for what?
12:36
SPEAKER_00: Saying that I think empathy is good.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: Right.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: Like, do I need a fucking source for that?
12:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then he DMs me and was like, you probably don't have a grad degree.
12:45
SPEAKER_01: I which that to me, I mean, that is just such a specific type of person to write you directly to say you don't have a grad degree.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: Who cares?
12:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, he does because then I looked him up and he was very easy to look up.
13:01
SPEAKER_00: Right.
13:02
SPEAKER_00: I just went to his threads and then his real name was there, and then I looked him up, professor of communications at a university in Texas, and I could go deeper.
13:10
SPEAKER_00: Like, I saw his kids.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: I like, I'm like, I'm not an even a sleuth.
13:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm not like the FBI here, and I'm like, I can see your whole life.
13:17
SPEAKER_00: Right.
13:18
SPEAKER_00: And then I see that he has published a paper on cyberbullying.
13:23
SPEAKER_01: Like, what?
13:24
SPEAKER_01: There's such a disconnect.
13:25
SPEAKER_01: How can there be such a disconnect?
13:27
SPEAKER_00: But he and he did he keep going?
13:30
SPEAKER_00: So then I was like, okay, I rarely write back to people, but I think just like knowing that he was a professor.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: You're expecting some logic and reasoning.
13:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and just like it made me feel so shitty that like I don't know, like my dad works at UBC.
13:43
SPEAKER_00: Like the thought of my dad being a fucking troll to somebody, like a nice young woman.
13:48
SPEAKER_00: Yo.
13:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
13:50
SPEAKER_01: Young, beautiful.
13:51
SPEAKER_01: Like young, beautiful, successful.
13:53
SPEAKER_00: Went to bands on a conference.
13:55
SPEAKER_00: But just like this idea that, like, you know, a kind of like confident um role model for students would be like, hey, fuck you.
14:03
SPEAKER_01: Fuck you for saying you should be empathetic.
14:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:05
SPEAKER_00: So I'm just like, I just have to try to understand this.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: So I sent him a message, which again, I say I never do, but I really mean I rarely ever do this.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: And I was just like, hey, like, I think your message sounds pretty judgmental, but social media sets us up to judge.
14:17
SPEAKER_00: That said, if we like met face to face, I think we'd have like a good conversation.
14:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm particularly interested in the work you've done about cyberbullying.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: Right.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: Um I said something like, you know, maybe we'll cross paths in real life one day under better circumstances.
14:31
SPEAKER_01: You're so generous.
14:32
SPEAKER_01: She has a generous spirit, folks.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I you're thoughtful and generous.
14:36
SPEAKER_00: But it's part of my strategy to like, like, I want to kill someone with kindness so that then they are like, oh, maybe that I went too far or something.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: That's the Canadian in you.
14:44
SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: Hey, sorry.
14:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, so then I was like, surely he'll write back or not, and just be like, oh, I was kind of a dick.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: Right.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: And then he just doubled down and was like, yeah, maybe we'll meet again one day at a at a an academic conference where you will be presenting.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: Once you've got your grad degree.
15:02
SPEAKER_00: Once I get my doctorate in how to be a total jackass.
15:06
SPEAKER_01: I I um so I used to do improv in New York City.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: And there was a comedian there who was sort of like a gold standard improviser named Chris Gethard.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: And he did he had this experimental show called the Chris Chris Gethard show that he did on um like public access TV.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: I don't remember if this was on the public access version of the show, but he did, he he had like a hater online.
15:30
unknown: Okay.
15:30
SPEAKER_01: Because he did sketch comedy online as well.
15:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're always gonna have some.
15:34
SPEAKER_01: You're always gonna, if if you don't have haters, you ate poppin'.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: That's my mantra.
15:37
SPEAKER_01: But what he did is he invited the hater who like followed every video.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: He was like, come on the show.
15:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, come on the show and talk to me.
15:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it was brilliant.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because when you actually do meet these people in real life, yeah, they could double down.
15:54
SPEAKER_01: But that in the moment, I think when they're looking at you as a human being, there's no way.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, if I met this guy in real life, I would be like, Hey, like, are you suffering?
16:03
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
16:03
SPEAKER_00: And I'd like obviously we would have a conversation and it would be fine.
16:06
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, do you think he was a little, I mean, do you think he was a little jelly bellied?
16:10
SPEAKER_00: Did you see is he trying to make videos about like how to be no, he doesn't have any videos, but I was like, some people said that, they're like, Oh, he's jealous.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, I can't, I guess that's like a convenient like analysis, but I don't I I think it's deeper.
16:23
SPEAKER_00: I think there's like just like some misogyny probably.
16:26
SPEAKER_00: Oh, for sure.
16:27
SPEAKER_00: And I think it's just kind of like I think what happens is you see people online, and then if a video hits as many views as that one did, you just sort of like lump everyone together in this influencer category.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: And you and you think influencers are just sort of like the scum of the earth and that they don't they don't warrant any respect or like I think it has to do with like the the influencer aura, you know?
16:48
SPEAKER_01: I also think once it reaches that many views, but here's where it kind of goes wrong for this particular guy.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: When it reaches that many views, you'll come if it's got a million views, you're gonna comment on it thinking they're not gonna reach it.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: Totally.
17:01
SPEAKER_01: Like this is me in the comment section with my pals in our third space comment section, the town square public domain.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
17:08
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and like they're never gonna see it, so who cares?
17:11
SPEAKER_01: But the fact that he DM'd you is where that theory is wrong, and also like just of his own accord.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: Like it wasn't like I was like, hey buddy, that's a mean message or something.
17:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm like, what the fuck?
17:23
SPEAKER_01: No, he wanted a little attention.
17:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: Anyways, listen, this podcast is not, this show is not about diagnosing men's many problems because it would never end.
17:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh but I'm really, yeah, I'm sorry that you had to deal with that.
17:36
SPEAKER_01: But the the good news is you you really uh made some content out of it.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: You made some content out, and you're just on a hit after hit, you're on a roll hit after hit.
17:45
SPEAKER_01: So the haters are gonna come because yeah, if you don't have them, you're not popping.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: That's just how it is, unfortunately.
17:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting to watch the human toll this takes on you.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm so happy to report back.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think it's I think I'm I'm in a position where I'm like, yeah, like I'm here to talk about like the the shitty parts of posting online too.
18:06
SPEAKER_00: I will say, like, so far these things haven't really bothered bothered me that much.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: That's good.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, I can tell like that's just like such a whack thing to say to somebody.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: I think if somebody was like, hey, you know, you're the least intelligent person I've ever heard because of A, B, and C and like gave me substantiated claims, I might be like, Whoa, that really hurts.
18:22
SPEAKER_00: But like this type of stuff, I don't care.
18:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, people have their own like specific.
18:26
SPEAKER_01: I'm a Leo.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: So any attention to me is good attention.
18:31
SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, ooh, they're talking about me.
18:33
SPEAKER_01: But everyone has their specific little buttons that could get pushed.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, and I also, yeah, I think if it depending on what time of the month it got me, I could probably get really mad about it.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: But typically I am, I do have a kind of blinder where I'm just like, attention, attention?
18:48
SPEAKER_01: People are like, pay attention to me.
18:51
SPEAKER_01: So so yeah, you can look on the right side.
18:54
SPEAKER_00: It's funny because like I feel like I I there's a part of me that's like a ham too, where I'm like, oh, you want me to put on my tap shoes?
19:01
SPEAKER_00: But I'm a Pisces and I don't think that's like well, I don't know anything about this.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: You're sensitive.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: Sensitive, yeah, yeah, sensey, sensey, but want some attention.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, you're passionate.
19:11
SPEAKER_01: Pisces are passionate and sensitive and very intelligent, and they're dreamers.
19:15
SPEAKER_01: You dream, you dream big.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: Dream in.
19:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:18
SPEAKER_01: Um, okay.
19:19
SPEAKER_01: I have I wanted to bring this up to you specifically.
19:22
SPEAKER_01: Speaking of, because I do think, and I don't want to get into this too deep.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: I mentioned snob, snobbery.
19:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, I do feel like the greatest duos in the world, whether they're characters or real people, it's usually because there's a snob and a slob.
19:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm for sure the slob.
19:40
SPEAKER_01: No, I think you're the snob.
19:41
SPEAKER_01: No.
19:44
SPEAKER_01: And that's the reason I think you're the snob is because I think you're very thoughtful.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: You do research, you've got great notes.
19:50
SPEAKER_01: I I feel like I'm the slob where I'm just like, I thought it was dumb.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't.
19:57
SPEAKER_01: So, but so when I saw this video on TikTok, I thought I gotta bring this up to Carmen get her take on this.
20:02
SPEAKER_01: This video got went major viral.
20:04
SPEAKER_01: I'm so sorry, I don't have the name of the gal who's doing it.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: We'll put it up.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: We'll put it up.
20:08
SPEAKER_01: It's called brain stacking.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I've seen.
20:10
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
20:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: And brain stacking is after work, because we all hopefully, you know, it's tough out there.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: If you have a job, afterwards, yeah, but afterwards, your brain, you are kind of like, oh my gosh, I need to refresh.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: I I have just been like in my meetings and emails all day, I need to refresh my brain.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: And so this gal gave her sort of brain stacking post work.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: And there's no talking, right?
20:33
SPEAKER_00: She keeps on going through some stuff, yeah.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: She doesn't, and she just films herself like being silently doing nothing for five minutes because that's part of it.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: It's very captivating.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's great.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
20:44
SPEAKER_01: But I am sort of like, is this just opium?
20:46
SPEAKER_01: I think it might be for me.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I'm ever gonna do any of this stuff, but let me tell you what it is.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
20:49
SPEAKER_01: So it's journaling.
20:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you do it with a creative prompt.
20:53
SPEAKER_01: You do like long-hand journaling with a creative prompt.
20:55
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: You do that for like, I don't know, 18 minutes.
20:58
SPEAKER_00: When do you cook your kids dinner?
20:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, yeah, yeah.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: Then there's Sudoku.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: I've never done it.
21:04
SPEAKER_01: Are you a Sudoku gal?
21:05
SPEAKER_01: I've done like 14 in my life.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but the fact that you've done it, you're the snob.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, then brain rest.
21:12
SPEAKER_01: So the brain rest is the five minutes, stare into space, set a timer on your phone.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: You can't do anything.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: Also called meditating.
21:17
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
21:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:19
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was my okay.
21:21
SPEAKER_01: I thought that was bug in here.
21:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh then she does reading.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: She reads a fiction book and a non-fiction book.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: And how long is the whole thing?
21:31
SPEAKER_00: An hour?
21:31
SPEAKER_01: I think it's like 90 minutes.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:32
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: It's a long, it's a lot of stacking.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: But so she does all of this.
21:37
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
21:37
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I'm watching this.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: I watched the whole thing, and I thought, God, this is fabulous.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: This is what everyone should do.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Will I ever do this?
21:44
SPEAKER_01: No.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: No, there's simply no way.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: I love to read.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: I read.
21:47
SPEAKER_01: Hello.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: I read.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: Not these are not online.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: But I I just can't imagine.
21:53
SPEAKER_01: And she goes back and forth.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: She's like, I'm gonna journal, I'm gonna Sudoku, sit for five minutes, more Sudoku.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: This type of reading, that type of reading.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, It's a little overprogrammed for me, even though I think the idea is fabulous and good for her for doing this.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I thought, yeah, I wanted to know your take.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I think it definitely is hopium.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think it's meant to be like, hey, this is how you do it, or like these are my resources.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: I think the point is that you are like, it's almost like Twitch or something.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: You're like live streaming your study session or whatever, but obviously it's like in 90 seconds or something like that.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, so yes, agreed that it's hopium.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: I've seen two people do it, and I've I thought to myself, like, not so much would I do it, but I'm like, would I make content like that where I'm not speaking?
22:32
SPEAKER_00: Because I always make content where I'm speaking.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: You know, and so I was like, ooh, like could I make content where I'm not speaking?
22:38
SPEAKER_00: My other thought is always like I just jam work into every available minute of my day.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: So I'm like, when would I do this meditative restorative style?
22:47
SPEAKER_01: I think it's probably really good for you.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, probably.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: Probably I'll never know.
22:51
SPEAKER_00: But I gotta I gotta like corporate styles circle back to this idea that I'm a snob.
22:56
SPEAKER_00: I will here's the thing, I'm both I'm both.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: I am a snob for sure.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: In in lots of ways, like in some ways, not at all.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: Like, say for um like food and drink and stuff like that.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't care if you want to buy no name brand stuff, no name Canada.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:13
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
23:13
SPEAKER_00: Like the generic choice.
23:16
SPEAKER_00: Like that, yeah, like I feel no nothing about that.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: But like one of my best friends said to me once, um, she's like, you're just, yeah, kind of a lovable slob.
23:25
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, it's true.
23:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, to be fair, I've never seen your house.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: But we can film at my house next time.
23:31
SPEAKER_00: But I just think like I'm here's what it is.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I'm a slob, I'm for sure a snob, but I don't think you're a slob either.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: But what I would say I am is I'm like so type B that I'm like type F.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: And so organization to me doesn't come naturally.
23:48
SPEAKER_00: I am so bad with like paperwork.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: Like you know, every kind of like email that comes in from my daughter's school that isn't a level 11, level 11 emergency.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: Right.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: Bye.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
24:00
SPEAKER_00: That's never gonna get answered or dealt with.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: I forgot pizza day at my daughter's school for an entire year.
24:06
SPEAKER_00: Like, so like, well, these are slobbish tendencies.
24:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: But I also think that maybe what if the reality with us is that like, say I'm like 60% slob and like, you know, like like a fraction of both, and then you're a fraction of both, and then those things fit together like a little Jenga tower.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: That is probably realistic in how most people are, but like the way people are seen, I think, and the way I look at people, I'm like, that's the snob, that's the slob.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: That's how it is.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: And this is your proprietary theory.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think I stole it from Neil Simon or whoever wrote the odd couple.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember the odd couple?
24:45
SPEAKER_01: No.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's about roommates, male roommates who move in together, and one is a complete uptight snob, and the other is an absolute slob.
24:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, Walter Mathau and I hate something forget his name.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: The other guy.
24:58
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's from that.
24:59
SPEAKER_01: That's where, and it just it's throughout throughout pop culture, as you look at famous duos, you're never gonna be able to think that they are not snob and slob as you start looking at them.
25:10
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
25:10
SPEAKER_01: So just all right, food for thought.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Food for thought.
25:13
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I have some like Canadian stuff for you.
25:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh, please, please.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: Um because I I was actually impressed at how much Canadian stuff came across my eyeballs this week.
25:24
SPEAKER_00: So one is that Real Actives launched in Canada.
25:27
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what that is?
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Alex.
25:28
SPEAKER_00: Alex.
25:29
SPEAKER_01: What is it?
25:30
SPEAKER_00: It's um skincare.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: But I was thinking about it as you were saying snob and slob because Alex Earl is like a known slob.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: Right.
25:38
SPEAKER_00: She's very messy to the point of like she shows her room in a state of absolute disarray, and people are like, Whoa, you need help?
25:45
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, I don't know, this is just what happens.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: So she came to downtown Canada and she launched Real Actives, which is like, I think it's there's like six products, and like one's like a makeup remover, and one's like a I don't know, like a face wash or something.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: I'm not down the stuff.
26:01
SPEAKER_00: But I think she did a good job.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: And I was like trying to look up where look up where she went.
26:05
SPEAKER_00: She went to Soto Soto.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: Um classic.
26:09
SPEAKER_00: I think, yeah, like she probably got a wreck from somebody.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Where, may I ask, was our invite.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: I know that's what I wanted to ask you is like, how were we not on this like PR events?
26:21
SPEAKER_01: I mean, specifically you, but like I mean like look at us.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: We clearly are so tapped into the cosmetics.
26:29
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Skincare slash young person's game.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: I think good for her for sure for coming to Canada, for not like ignoring Canada.
26:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally as a stop on the pressure.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: She went to like a Leafs game and she went to the CN Tower, and like she did a little video about like she was like crying and she was like, I had so much fun in Canada, and I actually thought it was well played.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: Like I think she did a good job.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Snaps, yeah snaps for Alex.
26:52
SPEAKER_01: You know what?
26:53
SPEAKER_01: I am not um unsusceptible to pandering on my Canadian identity.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: Me too.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: You know, like it has to be the right way.
27:01
SPEAKER_01: It has to be in the right way, but it sounds like she did it the right way.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:04
SPEAKER_01: And I'm not an Alex.
27:06
SPEAKER_01: I just want to make sure everyone knows.
27:07
SPEAKER_01: We are not haters.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: No.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: This is not a pod or show to just hate on stuff.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: I think I would go as far to say right now, like, I'm a I'm an Alex Earl fan.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't, I don't, I don't know if I'd go that far.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, I don't know if I'm a fan.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: I only decided it today.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's good.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: I mean, she really won you over with the Canada stuff.
27:26
SPEAKER_00: I just think it was a nice, like, it just I I believed her when she was like, this is this has been like such a nice like lunch.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: You know, some people, she's an she's a true influencer and she puts her whole back into influencing.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: So she didn't, she wasn't gonna just come in and do one event and dip out.
27:44
SPEAKER_00: She went to a cafe on Osington and they they changed it into real actives for the whole day.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean, truly, where was I?
27:50
SPEAKER_01: Where was I?
27:50
SPEAKER_00: We were pretty close.
27:52
SPEAKER_00: The lineups.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: The lineups were too long for us.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: We never would have waited the line.
27:56
SPEAKER_01: No, I think that's great.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: I think some people like influencer, content creator, that sphere, they're still going to be particularly successful if they are very professional and put even if she's a slob.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
28:10
SPEAKER_01: If she puts, like I said, her whole back into it and puts as much as she clearly does.
28:15
SPEAKER_01: A lot of influencers and content creators are working so hard.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:18
SPEAKER_01: And like, you know, good for her.
28:20
SPEAKER_01: I hope she does well.
28:21
SPEAKER_00: I should hope so too.
28:22
SPEAKER_00: And you know what I thought was smart as like a businesswoman side of this?
28:25
SPEAKER_00: It's I was like, oh, it's gonna launch in Sephora.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: No, it's just her website.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: GTC.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's smart.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Because that is smart.
28:33
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure Sephora takes a big old fat cut of whatever you're making.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: DTC, direct to Canada.
28:39
SPEAKER_01: Direct to Canada! I wonder what the shipping is, though.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: The shipping's where they get you.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: I feel like if you open it up to Canada, it's not gonna be like they're not gonna hit you with crazy like duties.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Okay, they need to make it like it's probably like 10 bucks or something like that.
28:51
SPEAKER_01: Okay, and depending how much you love.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: We'll do some research.
28:54
SPEAKER_00: Anyways, well played.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: I thought it was good.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Well played, Alex.
28:57
SPEAKER_01: You know, we forgive you for not reading, even though I don't believe that you don't read.
29:00
SPEAKER_00: Also, like next time, can you get us on the list?
29:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
29:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay, we're taking a hard rate.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:05
SPEAKER_01: Um, I just want to ask you, how much cash do you keep on hand?
29:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
29:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, I would say 95% of my time, four dollars.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: Okay, no, I mean like in two tunies.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: Do you have like a reserve in your house of cash for when everything goes down?
29:23
unknown: No.
29:24
SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, well, I'm getting really sucked into Doomerism these days.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: I don't like this.
29:31
SPEAKER_01: I I don't like this.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: But you know, you one of these isn't a book.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: It's just exactly a gun.
29:36
SPEAKER_01: I I don't like it, but I don't know how you can avoid it.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: I tap on one post that's like which platform, which platform X.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: Okay, I'm getting it on Twitch, I'm getting it on TikTok as well.
29:47
SPEAKER_01: I am getting it on TikTok as well, where it is like, look at these security breaches that are happening because of whatever it is, hackers, AI.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: I know.
29:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, it is I I don't know how you don't get a little bit nervous about that.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: And I so I read one post that, like, here's what to do when the internet goes down, because it's gonna go down.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Also, the UK and Japan supposedly are warning people to like have three days worth of food and water in their house, which maybe you should have anyway.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
30:18
SPEAKER_00: For internet reasons?
30:19
SPEAKER_01: Yes!
30:20
unknown: Fuck.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: So I so I was like, well, there might be some validity to this.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: So I've started asking people, like, how much cash am I supposed to keep on hand if all of our cards go down?
30:28
SPEAKER_01: We can't use cards.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't carry any cash.
30:30
SPEAKER_00: We should ask Patrick, my husband, because this guy will be like, he he thinks about what would happen in like apocalyptic situations.
30:38
SPEAKER_00: He has plans.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: He's like, you know, he's the kind of guy who could like survive in the wilderness with like a paper clip and a bit of oil.
30:46
SPEAKER_00: I'm going to your house when the shit goes down.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: That's what I'm saying.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: I need to know where you live.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: Give me your address, but yeah.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I do think you're gonna be good.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: You're gonna be good.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: You should come over to my house and um he has plans.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: He has plans.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I trust that he has plans.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: He I don't think he keeps that much cash on hand, but we have everything else.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: And then, like, I already know people are saying, because I said this, I asked my group chat, I said, how much cash do you guys have on hand?
31:11
SPEAKER_01: And there's this whole debate: what's cash gonna mean if this all happens?
31:16
SPEAKER_01: What you really need is precious metals.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: Where am I gonna go get a gold bar?
31:20
SPEAKER_01: Okay, sorry, I have access to cash.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: I don't have access to precious metals.
31:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, how much are you keeping now?
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Well, I asked my, I asked, I won't name who it was.
31:27
SPEAKER_01: I asked someone who is also quite prepared usually.
31:29
SPEAKER_01: He said he has$20,000 in cash in his home in a fireproof safe.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: And I think that would give me more anxiety than an apocalypse.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I can take, I was thinking I'd take out 1,000 bucks.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: I would say I think it's probably smart to have a a K hiding.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, in USD, that's like$300.
31:51
SPEAKER_01: So USD, you're way ahead of us.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
31:55
SPEAKER_01: I I just and now I'm and now I'm I am getting all this stuff of like, here's the kind of food you can buy.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: But I think it's smarter to be like, oh, it's not, it's prudent to think about finances.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: I think it's smarter to be like, do I know how to make a fire?
32:07
SPEAKER_01: No.
32:08
SPEAKER_00: Do I know you know what I mean?
32:09
SPEAKER_00: Like that's the stuff where I'm like, I think I think everyone should have some survival skills, right?
32:15
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be tough for me.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be really tough.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: But does anyone need an email today?
32:19
SPEAKER_00: Or a quick sync?
32:21
SPEAKER_01: Monday's anyone want like a little pun, a little pun to start their day.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: I I'm gonna have a tough time.
32:27
SPEAKER_01: I do like I did a quick look around my house.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: I was like, okay, I do have a flashlight.
32:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have matches, I have a couple lighters to light my joints.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: And I guess I'll use them for something else.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, but but yeah, I am not ready.
32:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm not ready at all, and I'm scared.
32:43
SPEAKER_01: But now I do it.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: It makes me feel good that you live nearby and you and your husband are gonna be totally prepared.
32:47
SPEAKER_00: You'll be stoned and just like, what do you guys need me to contribute?
32:51
SPEAKER_01: But then, you know, I read, I read other people who are saying, like, this is all just like people, not maybe not in cahoots, but people who are ready to believe that anyway, who are getting who are muddying the waters before the midterm elections.
33:04
SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure, sure.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I do think it could be like tied to polit political things.
33:10
SPEAKER_00: And I also think that like we probably have to be smart about who benefits when you get scared.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: You know, like and I don't know the answer to that question right away.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Like, I saw um, man, what's her name?
33:21
SPEAKER_00: Natasha Hos Hoshkins?
33:23
SPEAKER_00: Natasha Hoshkins, something like that.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how to say her last name, but she was saying, she made a video recently and she said, Who profits from your boob job?
33:31
SPEAKER_00: And it was like she was talking about how like there's sort of like right, I think Victoria's secret stock has gone up, and you know, clearly the like silicone industry is like doing good things.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: Anyways, but it was interesting to be like I I always think about that in a micro sense, like when I am like reporting, I mean I'm gonna use the quotation marks on social media, and I'm like, what's going on with like this algorithm change?
33:53
SPEAKER_00: I'm always asking myself, okay, who's benefiting?
33:55
SPEAKER_00: Right.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: What's I mean, obviously in tech companies, I think we know who's benefiting.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but like in general, like when things change, when people get scared, when something new is introduced, right?
34:06
SPEAKER_00: I think it's good to know the stock is going up.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, whose stock is going up?
34:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, because I think that lots of people benefit from fear.
34:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm not trying to get to like esoteric here, but I'm like, there's a reason why somebody wants you to be super afraid.
34:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah?
34:18
SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: And it could be as simple as like those types of posts where I'm reading on X do really well.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
34:24
SPEAKER_01: X still monetizes.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: So it could be as simple as that.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: But X, do you does you do you get paid on X based on like how many views you get and stuff?
34:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure exactly how the monetization works, but there is monetization on X.
34:36
SPEAKER_01: I uh so I don't know if it's through engagement, through views, what it is, but there is something.
34:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, people get paid.
34:44
SPEAKER_00: Um well, I have like some techy, some techie things to talk to you about.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: So one is that Instagram on Monday, I think, launched features, which is the long format content.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: I like attended um a Q ⁇ A with Tessa Lyons, the head of product at Instagram through Rachel Carton's like link and bio.
35:06
SPEAKER_00: I think like I think it was um I don't know if it was just for subscribers, paying subscribers, or if it was open to everyone.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Anyways, there was 2,000 people who sat in on this like thing with Tessa Alliance.
35:17
SPEAKER_00: And they so they announced that features is a new thing on Instagram, and it was Adam Assari and Tess Alliance doing a long format video by themselves, right?
35:25
SPEAKER_00: Like talking through it.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: And I I kind of was like, yeah, I think this is a sign of the times.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: Like a writer I follow, Kate Lindsay, had talked recently about how like she really believes that like long form is the way of the future and that YouTube has made a really good bet that has paid off over time.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: You know, everyone wants to be YouTube.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: Everyone I think it's just like they're they've figured out the payment structure.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously they just upped the like it's way harder to get into their monetized whatever now.
35:53
SPEAKER_00: But so the thing though, I feel like all of the, and it could just be my algorithms, but like all of the coverage, all of the commentary, all of the response to this new long format thing being available on Instagram is all like where's the money?
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Like you want me to put in like and and you know, I was like listening to this YouTuber when I was in bath, and he said, like, yeah, sometimes a video takes like 50 hours to make it, you know.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
36:18
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, well, if you want somebody to put 50 hours in what how are you incentivizing this?
36:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, because that's just so much work.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: And then some people were saying, Wow, like maybe what YouTubers could do is like just put your short form content on Instagram and then try to direct people to YouTube.
36:34
SPEAKER_00: But I'm like, it's hard to make that jump.
36:36
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like the drop-off, I'm sure is that.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: You did say, I mean, my boy Masari, who I always give a hard time to, he said we're exploring multiple options to help long-form creators get paid.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: That doesn't sound like a promise to me.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: Well, when I say everyone wants to be YouTube, yeah, I think every like Netflix, yeah, who Disney Plus, um, TikTok, Instagram, and why do they want to be YouTube?
37:03
SPEAKER_01: Because they have so much content of every different type, yeah, and they don't have to put in the money up front.
37:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: Whereas on Netflix, you're paying writers.
37:12
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm sure they're trying to find ways to constantly not do this.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: Pay writers.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: But like you're paying a cast, you're paying production.
37:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, on TikTok, they want, they want people, everyone.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: They want you to stay for a long time.
37:27
SPEAKER_01: Stay as long as possible in my app.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: Don't go to that other app.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: No.
37:31
SPEAKER_01: And what is that other app that we app have that we don't have?
37:34
SPEAKER_01: Long form?
37:35
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, let's get some long form up here.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: It's no big deal.
37:37
SPEAKER_01: We'll host the longer video.
37:39
SPEAKER_01: We got the money, we got the backing.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but like, it is so, it's already so much work, a lot of people to make a short video.
37:46
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's the thing that I think is like, I put so much work into creating content for Instagram, and I'm like, it's kind of crazy when you think about it.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: And you know, you're you we've talked about this video with like Alex Ju, where he says, like, in the beginning, he's the former CEO of Musically that became TikTok.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: He said, like, in the beginning, it's enough to just give people fame.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: Right.
38:06
SPEAKER_00: Like, if you give people enough reach, they will get high on that, you know, and they love that feeling.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: And like, not gonna lie, video hits a million views, feels pretty good.
38:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like, woo-hoo, like I know how to do this.
38:16
SPEAKER_00: But like at a point, you're like, hey, like, you know, you're kind of doing the napkin math, being like, this is a lot of my life that I'm spending like juicing, like fueling giving to you for free.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, and so I think there comes a point, and like Alex, you confirmed this, that like people kind of show up and be like, Where's my chuck?
38:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's why everyone wants to be on YouTube as well as a creator.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: Yes, because supposedly that is where you're gonna make the best amount of money.
38:41
SPEAKER_01: But I think you're only gonna make it if you are making long form there as well.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then it is a ton of work and not a guaranteed, yeah, not a guaranteed monetization path.
38:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and there's also like, I don't know if this like I don't I'm curious if you think this is related.
38:55
SPEAKER_00: I feel like in my brain I can kind of make a case for it, but um now we're seeing like there were some announcements this week.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: Like Reddit said you're gonna have to sign in to be like to use this site because they don't want AI crawlers just to like take a you know an approximation of what's going on.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: And then the Verge, which you know, I like it's a you know media publication, said like now they're making an app.
39:17
SPEAKER_00: And both of them were very upfront about the fact that the reason is that no traffic is coming to their site anymore because AI bots, crawlers, scrapers, whatever you want to call them, are just like synthesizing the information.
39:29
SPEAKER_00: So it's like I think there's also this like tech companies are trying to figure out like how do we get you to come to our island?
39:36
SPEAKER_00: You know, like they're trying to figure out like, you know, whether it's like watching on your couch sort of thing or reading on the app, but it's like they're having to create like a place where you want to be cozy.
39:48
SPEAKER_01: And it's it's an island, it's not a 15-minute city, yeah.
39:51
SPEAKER_01: It's an island where it's hard to get, but once you're there, they want you to stay there.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: There's no way to leave.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna get on the tugboat?
39:59
SPEAKER_01: The next speed boat doesn't leave.
40:00
SPEAKER_01: So four days from now.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: So you're here, you are here.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: Log your ass in and stay here.
40:07
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, I totally believe that.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: I I um I I love Reddit.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did get um hacked by like a porn bot, so my account got permanently banned.
40:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:19
SPEAKER_01: So I can't really log in for whatever reason.
40:21
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it like if it tracked my IP address.
40:24
SPEAKER_01: I cannot make a new account.
40:25
SPEAKER_01: So now I can't troll on Reddit as much as I used to, unfortunately.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: I know it sucks.
40:29
SPEAKER_00: Now my friend's Instagram account, just like she'd been working on it for this the past six months, it got flagged.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: Like, I think by one of those, like, not by human, like I think it just got flagged.
40:39
SPEAKER_00: Something, you know, made a trigger go off, and she appealed it right away and was like, what the hell?
40:43
SPEAKER_00: And then they said no, like these are the reasons, and they said it was like sexual harassment.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: And she's like, it's so like it went through like what you could have done done to lose access to your account.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: And one of them was like sending like like explicit photos to somebody, and she was like, I have never taken a pick in my life, right?
41:01
SPEAKER_01: But they found it, they found something.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: So they they flagged it, she appealed it, they said no, and they locked her out of the account forever.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like on actually, fuck you, Reddit.
41:10
SPEAKER_01: No, no, I do love Reddit.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: I think this is But that was Instagram.
41:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that was she lost her Instagram account forever.
41:17
SPEAKER_01: That's the other thing.
41:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, you should be, I know you are, but like you should never be on just one platform.
41:23
SPEAKER_00: Because what happens if one of them just like I would be like distraught if I lost access to one of my accounts, you know, but then also like, yes, this this happens.
41:33
SPEAKER_00: I was like trying to think about like how big do you have to be to be like to make a fuss about it and they would reinstate it or be like like clearly you you're innocent or something like that.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:42
SPEAKER_01: Anyways, I yeah, I don't know how big.
41:44
SPEAKER_01: I I think pretty big, um, just to get their attention.
41:47
SPEAKER_01: Not my size.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: Not my size.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: Um, but so is features what they're allegedly potentially paying up to$500,000 for.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, let's look, what the fuck is this thing?
42:00
SPEAKER_00: Because I don't think they're paying anybody.
42:02
SPEAKER_01: I think that it was just all smoke and because I was gonna send that to you and say, Karm, get in there.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you gotta get in there.
42:07
SPEAKER_01: Because you're the type of content they're gonna want.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: I know, guys.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: I saw Okay, this Instagram wants longer videos.
42:16
SPEAKER_01: Some creators could get$500,000.
42:20
SPEAKER_01: It could.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: The platform has offered select creators deals worth up to$500K to post longer videos.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: My guess is they probably went to like ChatGBT and like you know, just like the biggest creators and said, like, here's an incentive.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Like Meta was doing this on Facebook for a little while.
42:35
SPEAKER_00: Not to the tune of$500K, but or maybe they mean$500K is like total and they're no one who says some offers are worth$50K.
42:43
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
42:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's$50K is how much you pay a big influencer to do a brand deal, you know?
42:48
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
42:50
SPEAKER_00: I bet you they went to the most famous um Instagrammers and said, like, can you make some features to help us with our launch?
42:57
SPEAKER_01: But how do you feel knowing that you're going to be on that short list soon?
43:01
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna be on that short list.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: Also, guess where features isn't launching?
43:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh, Canada! Canada! No, Instagram's not like how dare you! Usually Canada is in like the the secondary crew of like a beta rollout, but we're not getting it first.
43:19
SPEAKER_01: I I mean, not to like go down too much on this path, but like I really think your type of content, having worked at TikTok, people want someone who's brand safe, who is doing high quality intellectual snob, some would say snobby content.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean the professor in my in my DMs would say I don't have to.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: So I just wouldn't be like, mark my words, everyone.
43:43
SPEAKER_01: You will be on the list.
43:44
SPEAKER_01: You'll be on the list soon enough.
43:46
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: Well, like, yeah, big moves from from Instagram.
43:50
SPEAKER_01: I huge moves in another, would we call a tech company?
43:55
SPEAKER_01: Airbnb.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: They're a tech company, they're a tech company, yeah.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: Airbnb.
43:59
SPEAKER_01: Huge moves.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Had their first ever, first ever.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: And it's very important.
44:03
SPEAKER_01: First ever, but more to come.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: Airbnb gala.
44:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: And like A-list celebs.
44:09
SPEAKER_00: You sent me a list.
44:10
SPEAKER_00: And I I was, I think I was getting out of my appointment or whatever, and I was like, trying to make sense of like how they picked each of these people.
44:18
SPEAKER_00: Like I was like, what is the rhyme or reason?
44:20
SPEAKER_01: Airbnb is making waves.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: All I can say, they're changing the rules where you don't have to do the dishes anymore, you don't have to do the laundry.
44:26
SPEAKER_01: And people are mad about the Airbnb hosts are mad about that.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: And now they're throwing galas.
44:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, what is going on at Airbnb?
44:33
SPEAKER_00: The thing is that, like, aren't they already public?
44:35
SPEAKER_01: What are they doing?
44:36
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: I have no idea what they're doing.
44:38
SPEAKER_00: I actually know somebody who works at Airbnb and she's lovely, so you know who you are.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: But I it's so interesting because, like, yeah, say you want to charge like, I don't know what,$300 a night for some great room.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
44:49
SPEAKER_00: And then you're like, oh, well, I have to pay someone to clean it.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna put like this cleaning fee on.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I have to think about like whatever cut goes to Airbnb.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: Like, before you know it, you're paying$700 for like somebody's spare room.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: For like a fine place.
45:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: And you're just like, yeah, the math doesn't work out.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't work out.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: If there's a hotel nearby, you know they're going to the hotel now.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
45:10
SPEAKER_01: And the and that, yeah, I don't know.
45:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what's going on with them.
45:13
SPEAKER_01: I just had to bring up the Airbnb gala.
45:15
SPEAKER_00: Did you take note of like because I can't remember who was on that list?
45:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say Chrissy Teagan.
45:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't think it was her, but it was like that caliber.
45:23
SPEAKER_01: Like A-list people that everyone knows.
45:26
SPEAKER_01: Was there like awards?
45:28
SPEAKER_01: I no, I think it wasn't like best host, celebrity hosts.
45:33
SPEAKER_01: But the fact that they're doing this, I just I just I found it very funny.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: I think if they were having more of a sense of humor about it, I don't think they are, they would have hosted the Airbnb gala at Roku City and like let uh let Roku City do a performance.
45:46
SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
45:47
SPEAKER_01: They're doing something.
45:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm keeping my eye on you, Airbnb, is all I can say.
45:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're plotting something, and I'm I'm keeping tabs.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: Well, like we clocked J Law's thing before that happened.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: So we're we're keep yeah, we're keeping an eye on you.
45:59
SPEAKER_01: Keeping an eye on it.
46:00
SPEAKER_01: Uh we're monitoring the situation.
46:02
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
46:03
SPEAKER_00: Okay, look, what else do I have for you here?
46:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: You can tell me if this is interesting to you, but I've been sort of thinking about the treat economy.
46:11
SPEAKER_00: Because when we interviewed Sarah Bartonika and I said I embraced the little treat economy, she was like, I don't know about that.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Right.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: And she said, Don't go too far.
46:21
SPEAKER_01: Not too far.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: And like, of course, a businesswoman is gonna say, be careful about those little treats.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: Um but then Sarah made a video about the seasonal treat economy, which was very fascinating.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: And we are big Sarah Bartonica stands.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: Watch the video.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: So she said, apparently, uh okay, what happens is seasonal like ingredients become cheaper because like at that time of year they're available and plentiful.
46:46
SPEAKER_00: But the willingness to pay for something, there's kind of like excitement around it, so that rises.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: So you end up with this like low cost to high demand kind of thing, or like high willingness to pay for something.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: Right.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: So that's why you get like, you'll be like, oh yeah, sure, I'm gonna pay for this nine dollar like pumpkin pumpkin slice latte.
47:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
47:03
SPEAKER_00: Um, so that I thought that was kind of interesting that she was talking about seasonal treat economy, which I think I fall victim to.
47:09
SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
47:10
SPEAKER_01: And you know, they're coming up, they're always coming up with something new.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: There's like there's gotta be a butternut squash latte out there.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: Like, there's there's they're oh they're whipping it up.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: I bet you I wonder what else they make lattes of right now.
47:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I saw a hojicha latte.
47:25
SPEAKER_01: And it's not just it's not just like caffeinated lattes, it's matcha lattes too, because you know we love our matcha, but I think that it's more of a thing in the US.
47:33
SPEAKER_00: These like whack ass lattes that are cinnamon bun matcha.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: Okay cinnamon bun matcha.
47:38
SPEAKER_01: Have we strayed too far?
47:40
SPEAKER_01: No, it's it's ST.
47:43
SPEAKER_01: Whatever S T is.
47:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what that is.
47:45
SPEAKER_01: This is in New York City.
47:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's the thing, is I think that I think Americans have like not in a bad way, but like they have taken coffee and matcha to another plan.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
47:57
SPEAKER_00: Where I'm like, it'll be like banana bread smoked latte.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, that's not coffee anymore.
48:02
SPEAKER_01: Oh no, no, no.
48:03
SPEAKER_00: But they're kind of like a purist, but I'm just like fascinated.
48:06
SPEAKER_01: Oh, they're fitting whatever they can fit into that cup.
48:09
SPEAKER_01: No matter how many flavor profiles that they can fit in, they're getting it in there.
48:12
SPEAKER_01: She is a good thing.
48:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we do have some.
48:14
SPEAKER_01: We have some in Toronto that have that have, you know, fruity pebble latte.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: Whatever it might be.
48:20
SPEAKER_00: I think it's more of an American thing.
48:22
SPEAKER_00: And like honestly, I like that about America.
48:24
SPEAKER_00: You're pretty good.
48:25
SPEAKER_00: I do too.
48:25
SPEAKER_00: You're innovators.
48:26
SPEAKER_00: You're innovators.
48:27
SPEAKER_00: I do think you're like food scientists to the extreme.
48:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: And they're mad scientists.
48:35
SPEAKER_01: We can't handle it.
48:36
SPEAKER_01: Like we said, we only have three yogurts.
48:37
SPEAKER_01: We can't handle it here in Canada.
48:39
SPEAKER_01: But I do, I love it too, I respond.
48:41
SPEAKER_00: Also, Tim Horton's just got matches.
48:43
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: So that's big news over here.
48:47
SPEAKER_00: Canada, Canada's finally getting matcha, everybody.
48:49
SPEAKER_00: It's funny because I was like looking, uh, I never read, like, as we talked about with Sarah Bartonica, I never really read a lot of the like Canadian media sites.
48:58
SPEAKER_00: And just for fun, I was like, I'll go to CTV and see what they have.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, as if there'd be something for us to talk about.
49:02
SPEAKER_00: Right.
49:03
SPEAKER_00: And then I wrote this down because I was like, I gotta tell Danielle about this.
49:05
SPEAKER_00: I saw I saw a headline headline that said, Montreal raccoon guy collects more than 110k in crypto fees.
49:13
SPEAKER_01: Perfect.
49:13
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely perfect.
49:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, that is all Canadian news.
49:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:22
SPEAKER_01: All Canadian news is like, is your neighbor being too loud with their music?
49:27
SPEAKER_01: Report a tip to our newscaster.
49:29
SPEAKER_00: Did you spot a new kind of yogurt at the grocery store?
49:32
unknown: Exactly.
49:33
SPEAKER_00: Tell us.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: Tell us what's going on.
49:35
SPEAKER_01: 8 p.m.
49:36
SPEAKER_01: tonight on the evening news.
49:37
SPEAKER_01: New yogurt flavor.
49:38
SPEAKER_00: And then like interview somebody who'll be like, I saw it.
49:41
SPEAKER_00: I saw it on the shelf.
49:42
SPEAKER_00: There was a yogurt.
49:43
SPEAKER_00: And you're like, how did they guess?
49:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
49:46
SPEAKER_01: It's so it is very quaint.
49:47
SPEAKER_01: It's it's like it was probably pretty refreshing uh for Americans if they were to ever see it.
49:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
49:53
SPEAKER_00: Um Drake also?
49:54
SPEAKER_00: 40th birthday.
49:56
SPEAKER_00: Drake is 40?
49:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a big it was a big uh Canadian event.
50:00
SPEAKER_00: 40 Lordy.
50:01
SPEAKER_00: And do you know who performed at his birthday party?
50:02
SPEAKER_01: Tate McRae.
50:03
unknown: No.
50:04
SPEAKER_01: Who?
50:04
SPEAKER_00: Action boys.
50:05
SPEAKER_01: What?
50:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:06
SPEAKER_01: That okay.
50:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, sure.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: Drake is millennial.
50:11
SPEAKER_01: He's a millennial.
50:11
SPEAKER_01: He's definitely millennial.
50:13
SPEAKER_00: We're like six months apart, him and I.
50:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
50:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so that I guess that makes sense for him to have.
50:19
SPEAKER_01: Again, where was our invite?
50:20
SPEAKER_01: Was it at Casaloma?
50:21
SPEAKER_01: Like, where did he have his pride?
50:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm a little bit annoyed that we're not making it into these important rooms.
50:26
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I genuinely think Drake will mark my words, Drake is very online.
50:31
SPEAKER_01: Drake will slide into our DMs at one point or another.
50:34
SPEAKER_00: If you're listening to this, we expect invitations to your 41st birthday.
50:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
50:39
SPEAKER_01: I'd love to end it on a Canadian note.
50:41
SPEAKER_01: I think we should log off there.
50:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:43
SPEAKER_01: Thank you all so much for listening, for participating, and uh, we'll see you next time.
50:48
SPEAKER_01: Bye.