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The Bolt Report | 8 December · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Is the good report it.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, Well, we did tell you it was a done deal.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce today joins Pauline Hansen's One Nation Party in
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Speaker 2: the move that spells huge trouble for the coalition. I'll
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Speaker 2: talk to both of them in a minute. Also tonight,
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Speaker 2: the avenezy government scraps your electricity bill relief. On the
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Speaker 2: day that a government minister is caught spending even more
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Speaker 2: of your money on her husband, plus Victorian hospitals cancel
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Speaker 2: the Australian flag. They'll show as many as five flags,
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Speaker 2: but not the flag of their own country. And your
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Speaker 2: taxpayer money spent on inventing aboriginal songs for sharks Fedinkham.
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Speaker 2: But first, the Prime Minister doesn't realize it yet, but
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Speaker 2: he's got to sack Minister Anika Wells's got a sacker
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Speaker 2: for spending big on her self, her husband, and her
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Speaker 2: children on a government credit card. Sack her for apparently
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Speaker 2: boozing with staff on the taxpayer's expense, Sack her for
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Speaker 2: her hypocrisy, and sack her for clearly bending the rules
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Speaker 2: and getting taxpayers to fly her husband to the boxing
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Speaker 2: day tests and the formula one supposedly for a family reunion.
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Speaker 3: For Strikesanneker, and you are out.
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Speaker 2: I When you viewers see what I've seen about Wells
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Speaker 2: living large at your expense, I think you'll agree she
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Speaker 2: can't survive, not with this disgusting spending of hers, when
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Speaker 2: Australians are in the cost of living crisis, when the
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Speaker 2: government is so short of money that it today scraped
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Speaker 2: the subsidies on your energy bills. So let's go through
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Speaker 2: the four points. First, the spending, which is amazing, nearly
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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars just for tickets to flow cells
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Speaker 2: from two staff to New York or a little bit
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Speaker 2: of accommodation. Then there's getting taxpayers to fly to Adelaide
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Speaker 2: when she was going to a friend's birthday party, but
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Speaker 2: tacking on some supposed business meetings to justify passing the
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Speaker 2: tab to you.
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Speaker 3: Then there were three trips to Paris in one year.
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Speaker 2: There was flying a husband and two of her children
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Speaker 2: to a weekend at the snow at Threadboat, again on
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Speaker 2: your dime, because she said she was working up there too,
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Speaker 2: and so on. But I want to focus on one
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Speaker 2: particular item of that spending to start with that really
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Speaker 2: sticks in my throat. This dinner that she had in
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Speaker 2: Paris nearly six hundred euros or one thousand dollars, and
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Speaker 2: not to impress any foreign official. It was just a
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Speaker 2: dinner for Wells, two Australian public servants with her and
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Speaker 2: the Australian ambassador a thousand dollars at the Michelin Star.
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Speaker 2: It's simonin restaurant where the food is not just a
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Speaker 2: simple steak or a casserole, but seriously fancy, and then
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Speaker 2: two hours later charging taxpayers another seven hundred and fifty
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Speaker 2: dollars reportedly on drinks and clearly not just the coke
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Speaker 2: or a bottle of mineral water. I mean we're talking,
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Speaker 2: they're serious booze for these four Australians, all already on
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funded salaries. I find that shocking. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: how Well stry to explain that. Dennis Andrew Lenell on
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Speaker 2: Sky News yesterday, what look from memory?
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Speaker 4: That was an orientation meeting.
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Speaker 2: Orientation meeting at a Michelin Star restaurant. The second thing
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Speaker 2: I find hard to take. Anika Well said she flew
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Speaker 2: her husband and two of her three children to Threadboat
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Speaker 2: because she was working there. She was actually just looking
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Speaker 2: at a Paralympic event for skiers and telling them she'd
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Speaker 2: give them even more of our money. Is that the
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Speaker 2: rules allow these very busy politicians to fly family to
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Speaker 2: join them for family reunions.
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Speaker 5: I use my family reunion entitlement within the guidelines, as
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Speaker 5: every parliamentarian can.
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Speaker 2: Do family reunions. Is the same excuse the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: made for Wells.
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Speaker 6: All of the travel was within guidelines.
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Speaker 2: Now, even if you do think that it's fair enough
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Speaker 2: for you to be paying to fly a minister's family
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Speaker 2: for a weekend at the snow, let's focus on that
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Speaker 2: excuse family reunion. You see, Wells also use that excuse
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Speaker 2: a family reunion to fly a husband to Melbourne for
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Speaker 2: three AFL Grand Finals only one, it seems with the children.
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Speaker 2: One of those three trips was there and back in
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Speaker 2: a single day.
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Speaker 3: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: How is that a family reunion? But Wells also flew
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Speaker 2: just husband to Melbourne for two boxing day tests. Again,
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Speaker 2: what's the family reunion here? Who was looking after their
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Speaker 2: kids when both parents were away at the cricket? What really,
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Speaker 2: taxpayers must be paying for this so called family reunion
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Speaker 2: without the kids? Me seriously, And the third thing that
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Speaker 2: really gets me is the hypocrisy I mean, I was
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Speaker 2: asking myself, what would Anika Wells say if it was
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Speaker 2: actually a liberal politician who was asking taxpayers to chip
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Speaker 2: in for his or her restaurant. Bill Well, I can
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Speaker 2: actually tell you a clue. I can give a clue
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Speaker 2: to you, because Wells in February was scathing about the
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Speaker 2: Liberals plan back then to let small businesses that don't
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Speaker 2: have their own in house cooks to deduct the costs
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Speaker 2: of business lunch at a restaurant. Oh, well couldn't tell
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Speaker 2: you how disgusted she was with it.
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Speaker 3: It was just terrible business.
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Speaker 2: People eating on the taxpayer dime for shame.
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Speaker 5: According to the collisions publicly defined parameters of their own policy,
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Speaker 5: business could spend up to twenty thousand dollars of Elizabeth's
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Speaker 5: own taxpayer funds to attend something like, for example, the
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Speaker 5: Super Bowl, to lather themselves in buffalo wings and baby
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Speaker 5: back ribs, nodding along to Kendrick Lamar, all subsidized by
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Speaker 5: the Australian taxpayer. Mister speaker, this is just another reason
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Speaker 5: why those opposite are not like us.
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Speaker 4: They're not like us.
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Speaker 2: Oh, we can't have people going out to sporting events
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Speaker 2: and eating it up. And oh my good it now here,
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Speaker 2: as well as herself wanting us to pay for her
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Speaker 2: fine dining at Paris to go and see the Olympics
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Speaker 2: and pay for all of it and the drinking. And
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Speaker 2: it wasn't even for a business deal. It was just
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Speaker 2: for her in a couple of staff and the ambassador.
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Speaker 2: Now if those three things, those little highlights from this
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Speaker 2: long list had enough to tell the Prime Minister that
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Speaker 2: Wells must go, I'll give you a last one, because
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Speaker 2: there was treasure of Jim Charmers just this morning trying
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Speaker 2: to paint this government, this Albanizing government's ruthless in finding savings.
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Speaker 2: Now that the money is running.
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Speaker 7: Out, there will be difficult decisions in the media budget update.
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Speaker 7: There will be savings, as there have been savings in
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Speaker 7: all of our budgets and all of our updates.
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Speaker 2: And Charmers even announced this tough on spending government is
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Speaker 2: going to stop its energy bill relief. That's seven billion
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Speaker 2: dollars it has already spent on handouts to Australians to
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Speaker 2: hide the crippling costs of energy under this government's watch,
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Speaker 2: it would end. Charmers announced that when it's meanwhile, got
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Speaker 2: Anika Wells making a fool of the government's claims that
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Speaker 2: it's watching every cent, making the government look like hypocrites,
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Speaker 2: but slashing bill relief now for the poor while defending
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Speaker 2: Well's lavish spending of tax pay money on a solf
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Speaker 2: and a family and chairman's could today see but the
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Speaker 2: Prome minister that cannot This won't fly and it certainly
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Speaker 2: did not fly with the media today.
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Speaker 8: Preasure, I want to talk about rules there, but can
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Speaker 8: ask you to talk to Australian households. So you've just
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Speaker 8: told are now I'm going to lose their energy will
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Speaker 8: brevate after Christmas? How should they feel and how did
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Speaker 8: you feel when they see Anika Wells out there spending
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Speaker 8: like it's Black Friday on expensive dinners in Paris and
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Speaker 8: trips overseas and ski trips in Threadbow? How should they
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Speaker 8: view that and how does that make you feel when
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Speaker 8: you're trying to find savings in my apod?
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Speaker 7: Well, Because I've said on another number of occasions already today,
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Speaker 7: you know, I understand why people are interested in it,
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Speaker 7: and I understand why people are concerned about it, but
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Speaker 7: at the end of the day, these are within the rules.
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Speaker 1: Concerned about it Last week. Are you concerned about a treasurer?
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Speaker 3: I answered your question.
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Speaker 1: Does it concern you Treasurer?
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Speaker 3: I answered you question, camp.
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Speaker 5: Is it fair for taxpayers to be paying for business
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Speaker 5: class flights as part of the family reunion?
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Speaker 1: Allowers when households are.
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Speaker 6: Making difficult decisions about electricity bills, school fees and it's
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Speaker 6: an expensive part.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks very much.
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Speaker 7: I reffe you to the same answer I gave a
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Speaker 7: Cam a moment ago.
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Speaker 3: Thanks very much.
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Speaker 2: Charmers knows it already and couldn't get out there fast enough.
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Speaker 2: Anika Wells has shamed herself and embarrassed the government by
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Speaker 2: treating taxpayers like mugs.
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Speaker 3: She must go.
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Speaker 2: Well Today became official bunderby Joyce, the former Nationals Party leader.
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Speaker 2: The former Deputy Prime Minister, joined Pauline Hanson's One Nation
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Speaker 2: Party instead. He and Hansen met today in Tamworth before
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Speaker 2: making the announcement on Tamworth Radio. Now, if this is
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Speaker 2: huge and a real threat to the coalition, because it
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Speaker 2: comes when the polls show One Nation riding high with
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Speaker 2: the support of anywhere between fourteen and eighteen percent of
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Speaker 2: the voters depending on which poll you consult. And Barnaby
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Speaker 2: Joyce now will almost certainly win One Nation another Senate
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Speaker 2: seat to the next election, and maybe even the balance
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Speaker 2: of power, which means both Joyce and Hanson win. From
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Speaker 2: this partnership, Joyce gets more influence and power than he
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Speaker 2: has now been banned to the National's backbench by Leader
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Speaker 2: David LITTLPROWD, and Hanson gets a powerful campaigner in regional
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Speaker 2: seats and a politician of vast experience as a minister
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Speaker 2: and deputy Prime minister. Whof you keep One Nation going
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Speaker 2: come the day Handsome retires. And that's, of course all
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Speaker 2: provided that these two very strong minded individuals do not
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Speaker 2: fall out before then. I talked earlier to them both.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce Pauline Hanson, thank you so much for coming
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Speaker 2: on the show. Barnaby, you've already explained well on this
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Speaker 2: show to me why you quit the Nationals a couple
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Speaker 2: of weeks ago. Explain now why you have joined One
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Speaker 2: Nation One Nation specifically.
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Speaker 6: Well, I think that One Nation are very authentic in
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Speaker 6: how they deliver a strong message. You can see their
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Speaker 6: position on fighting against intermittent power, in their belief that
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Speaker 6: they support pension is not the Powis agreement.
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Speaker 3: That they.
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Speaker 6: Are not embarrassed to talk about issues like putting the
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Speaker 6: family at the center of society rather than allowing other groups,
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Speaker 6: maybe the Teachers Federation of Australia, to determine how your
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Speaker 6: children are brought up. To make sure that Australians have
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Speaker 6: first pick at getting into an Australian home, and to
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Speaker 6: not be forced out of the market by excessive excessive immigration,
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Speaker 6: which of course restricts the Australian's capacity to buy its
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Speaker 6: own house. To stand behind the property rights of people
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Speaker 6: in regional areas, and this and so many more.
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Speaker 3: Pauline and One Nation have.
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Speaker 6: Been leaders in a lot of this, and we've seen
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Speaker 6: that in such things as their initial position on the
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Speaker 6: Voice against the Voice, their fight against intermittent power and
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Speaker 6: the net zero swindle, their continual fight against the Paris Agreement,
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Speaker 6: which is basically hooking us up to an international agreement
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Speaker 6: at the expense of the poor, expense of those who
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Speaker 6: are struggling with the cost of living. And Pauline has
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Speaker 6: always been a person at leading that who's had the
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Speaker 6: strength of her convictions so much in a form that
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Speaker 6: at one stage Jailder, God knows why, but you did,
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Speaker 6: and that I think gives me in serving people serving
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Speaker 6: the New England, serving Australia, a greater efficacy in that
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Speaker 6: I can be part of a party that can drive
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Speaker 6: a pure message and we are seeing in the polling
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Speaker 6: that that is a message that is resonating.
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Speaker 2: We have seen that in the Just the Resolve poll today,
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Speaker 2: which I'll get to Pauline Hanson. You know, I got
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Speaker 2: to say I've seen so many men join your party
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Speaker 2: over the years and then think that they know better than.
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Speaker 3: You how to run it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's from David Oldfield and I don't want
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Speaker 2: to hash all the names since there have been so
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Speaker 2: many ugly bus stoups. How do you know that Barnaby
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Speaker 2: is going to accept that you are the boss.
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Speaker 9: Well, I'm going to pull you up on that, because
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Speaker 9: it's not about me being the boss. It's about working
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Speaker 9: as a team effort. And this is where these other
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Speaker 9: ones couldn't. David Oldfield did want to run and control
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Speaker 9: the party incident he's got elected to Paramati, then walked
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Speaker 9: away and said I'll do what I want to do.
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Speaker 9: And you know, I've had my issues with some of
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Speaker 9: the others as well.
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Speaker 4: They forget it's the team effort.
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Speaker 9: It's not about an individual it's about working together for
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Speaker 9: the betterment of the country and for the people.
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Speaker 4: Barnaby has proven that.
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Speaker 9: I think the amount of time they've been in Parliament,
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Speaker 9: he's been a minister over many portfolios, he's actually been
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Speaker 9: a deputy.
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister of the country. He's got a.
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Speaker 9: Lot to offer and I believe that we are so
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Speaker 9: much in line with what we agree on. And I
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Speaker 9: think the biggest thing facing our country now is net
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Speaker 9: zero because we've seen the arise and cost of electricity.
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Speaker 9: You've also seen industries and manufacturing small businesses affected by it.
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Speaker 9: We're going down the gurgle and this how Australians feel.
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Speaker 9: Mass migration is another big issue, So Andrew, I don't
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Speaker 9: claim to have all the answers or know everything. A
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Speaker 9: lot of people criticize me and my leadership and who
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Speaker 9: I am or for one.
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Speaker 4: Thing or another.
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Speaker 9: So it's about growing the team and bringing on other
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Speaker 9: people to enhance what we have to offer and people
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Speaker 9: will look at one nation with a different focus that
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Speaker 9: we can make a difference to this country and Barnaby
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Speaker 9: is part of that team.
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Speaker 4: It's no you know who's the leader and who's better
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Speaker 4: than the other.
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Speaker 9: It's not there's no egos between either one of us,
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Speaker 9: and I realized that, you know, if we want to
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Speaker 9: change and give people hope out there there is a
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Speaker 9: future for their future generations and hope they will have.
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Speaker 4: A better way of life.
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Speaker 9: We've got to start working together. We've got to start
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Speaker 9: pushing forward. We have to start holding the labor and
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Speaker 9: the opposition to account.
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Speaker 4: And that's what we're going to do.
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Speaker 6: Can I add something to that?
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Speaker 3: It's also can go ahead?
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Speaker 6: And I did.
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Speaker 3: We didn't.
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Speaker 6: We didn't meet each other yesterday. We've known each other
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Speaker 6: for twenty years. Twenty years, and we didn't make this
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Speaker 6: decision overnight. It was a very considered decision over a
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Speaker 6: long period of time. And I want to thank Pauline
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Speaker 6: for her persevere and some patience with me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well no, I appreciate that. But Pauline, people come
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Speaker 4: and gone yep.
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Speaker 2: And look, I'm totally aware that you are going to
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Speaker 2: stand Pauline for the Senate again at the next election.
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Speaker 2: They will give you another six years. I don't think
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Speaker 2: this is a party you want to walk away from,
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Speaker 2: having devoted so much time and blood and.
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Speaker 3: Sweat to it.
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Speaker 2: But can I still ask Barnaby is a bit younger
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Speaker 2: than you. Is this, in a sense a guarantee that
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Speaker 2: when you finally do leave politics, one nation will survive.
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Speaker 2: When you've got someone who's been Deputy Prime Minister a
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Speaker 2: couple of times already or already in the party.
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Speaker 9: Andrew, it is a big plus to the party and
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Speaker 9: I have to say admit that. But look, I've got
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Speaker 9: some other great people on who are involved in the party.
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Speaker 9: You know, I've got Sean Bell now is the Senate
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Speaker 9: for New South Wales. I'm hoping to get my daughter elected.
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Speaker 9: You know, there's other great people the lining up who
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Speaker 9: will be members of this of the party and hopefully
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Speaker 9: elected members of Parliament.
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Speaker 4: And you know I'm not going to make that call now.
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Speaker 4: I tell you what. The more you actually ask.
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Speaker 9: Me about my age and how much longer I've got,
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Speaker 9: the more I'm gonna damn will say I've got another
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Speaker 9: two terms in me, so keep it going, And I
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Speaker 9: tell people I'm not going anywhere, so get over it.
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Speaker 2: That brings us to eighty three, I think, Pauline, but
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Speaker 2: why not, Yes, you're enjoying yourself.
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Speaker 3: I guess.
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Speaker 4: Enjoying myself.
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Speaker 9: It's a dedication of passion that I have for my
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Speaker 9: country Andrew and if they can allow Biden to be
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Speaker 9: in his eighties when he's still in Parliament walking around
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Speaker 9: looking like that. But I've given my staff a warning
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Speaker 9: if I end up like Biden, tap me on the
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Speaker 9: shoulder and tell me to move on.
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Speaker 4: So we've got that lined up already.
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Speaker 9: But don't underestimate me, my ability, my passion and what
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Speaker 9: I want to do for this country and for my
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Speaker 9: fellow Australians.
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Speaker 4: I've got skin in this game.
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Speaker 9: I am an Australian, I have children and grandchildren, and
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Speaker 9: until I feel it's time to move on and hand
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Speaker 9: over the rein so someone else that I know has
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Speaker 9: the same passion termination as I have. I will work
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Speaker 9: with my team, but I will actually continue to be
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Speaker 9: leader of this party.
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Speaker 3: Barnaby.
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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering what you think your role in One
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Speaker 2: Nation now is going to be. I mean, I'm talking
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Speaker 2: practically on the ground campaigning people you're targeting. I suspect
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Speaker 2: that the Nationals are going to be freaking They've only
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Speaker 2: got four members in the Senate at the moment. You
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Speaker 2: see where the polls are going, and the result poll
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Speaker 2: today said One Nation's got fourteen percent. That's got to
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Speaker 2: be way above where the Nationals are that you use
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Speaker 2: the lead. Where do you see that contest going between
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Speaker 2: you and the Nationals? What is your role in one
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Speaker 2: nation going to be?
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm not going to go out there to attack
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Speaker 6: another political party. I'm going to go out there with
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Speaker 6: Pauline and the rest of the team to support all
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Speaker 6: of Australians and to come up with policies that actually
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Speaker 6: helps Australia get to a stronger position, as strong as possible,
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Speaker 6: as quickly as possible, in light of the circumstances that
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Speaker 6: we see before us. And I'll bring to your attention
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Speaker 6: one of those, it's the rise for totalitarian regime and
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Speaker 6: communist China, where we really have to put the ruleblek
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Speaker 6: aside and decide whether we want to be able to
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Speaker 6: handle nation securely over to our children, or whether we're
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Speaker 6: going to be indolent and just chase butterflies such as
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Speaker 6: hitiment of power and net zero and Paris agreements and
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Speaker 6: waffles such as that. Now that they're the issues we're
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Speaker 6: going to focus on, focus on whether a pensioner can
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Speaker 6: pay for their groceries, not whether another person and another
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Speaker 6: party thinks of me. And you know, I welcome all
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Speaker 6: people into the democratic fray. It's a democracy. It's great
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Speaker 6: to see the clash of ideas. I hope to see
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Speaker 6: the challenge of ideas and not the clash of personalities,
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Speaker 6: because it's the it's the it's the it's the competition
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Speaker 6: of ideas, which is what the people on the ground
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Speaker 6: want to hear.
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Speaker 2: Pauline, I can understand why Barnaby doesn't want to rub
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Speaker 2: salt in the Nationals wounds. He led the party a
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Speaker 2: couple of times. People charact for him, you know, gave
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Speaker 2: up their time and their donations for him as a
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Speaker 2: national So it's not going to say I wanted to
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Speaker 2: destroy the Nationals now, But where do you think you
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Speaker 2: will use him coming up? Barnaby is a great campaigner,
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Speaker 2: whatever some people may say of him, is a great campaigner.
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Speaker 2: Where do you expect him to be of most used
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Speaker 2: to you?
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Speaker 3: Given?
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Speaker 2: I mean, like I mentioned the Resolve poll today one
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Speaker 2: nation record primary vote of fourteen percent, Coalition on a
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Speaker 2: record low of twenty four percent. The Nationals only make
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Speaker 2: up a bit of that. What's going to happen.
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Speaker 4: Now, Andrew? What it's about is.
20:42
Speaker 9: I'm not out there to destroy like minded people Conservatives,
20:46
Speaker 9: but I've had to drag them kicking and screaming to
20:49
Speaker 9: do with the voice and with net zero. They would
20:52
Speaker 9: never have addressed that. Even mass migration if it wasn't
20:56
Speaker 9: for one nation, and who knows where this country would be.
21:00
Speaker 9: It's about, you know, having that voice and raising the issues,
21:03
Speaker 9: create debate and bring the people on board with you
21:06
Speaker 9: why we think this way and I don't want to
21:09
Speaker 9: bury it. I want members of Parliament that will express
21:12
Speaker 9: this and voice their concerns. And if the Nationals won't
21:14
Speaker 9: do it, and that's another thing too. They are quite
21:16
Speaker 9: happy to see the super critical waste go into a
21:19
Speaker 9: great Autsian base and which could have destroyed the water source,
21:23
Speaker 9: they weren't interested in.
21:24
Speaker 4: Fighting for that.
21:25
Speaker 9: So if they're not prepared to fight for these certain
21:27
Speaker 9: issues for the austral people, well.
21:31
Speaker 4: That's their issue, not mine.
21:33
Speaker 9: I'm going to keep putting out my policies, what I
21:35
Speaker 9: stand for, what I represent, and what I want for
21:37
Speaker 9: this country so the people will actually decide who was
21:41
Speaker 9: representing them with truth, honesty, integrity and the fight in
21:46
Speaker 9: them to get our country back on track.
21:51
Speaker 2: Just finally, at the top of the show, I've obviously
21:54
Speaker 2: talked about Anika wells in the travel expenses Barnaby, do
22:00
Speaker 2: you know all about travel expenses and what should be
22:03
Speaker 2: the go and what shouldn't be the go?
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Speaker 3: What do you make of what what she's been up to?
22:08
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, I think that she's Look Andrew, I
22:13
Speaker 6: listened to anakar or the story about Anaka, and I thought, oh,
22:17
Speaker 6: this this doesn't sound good, and then I changed my mind.
22:22
Speaker 6: It's got it wrong. It's it's an absolute train wreck.
22:25
Speaker 6: It's a train wreck at high speed off a high cliff.
22:28
Speaker 6: And really everybody has worked out that it's wrong except Anaka.
22:33
Speaker 6: And I think miss Dalbenezi, the Prime Minister, has got
22:36
Speaker 6: to make a call. Does he stand does he stand
22:39
Speaker 6: beside Anaka and endorse what's happened? And I'll just give
22:42
Speaker 6: you one clear example. To arrive in Paris and spend
22:47
Speaker 6: was it five hundred of it near a thousand? Yeah,
22:51
Speaker 6: she didn't two hits, So paulin what happens? She could
22:53
Speaker 6: spend one thousand dollars on dinner and then went out
22:56
Speaker 6: somewhere again and spend another seven hundred bucks. So the
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Speaker 6: Australian people saying, well, hang on, you weren't meeting you know,
23:04
Speaker 6: Boot Tross, you weren't meeting the Pope or the head
23:08
Speaker 6: of the un It was you and your staff and
23:10
Speaker 6: you spent seventeen hundred dollars for a night on the
23:13
Speaker 6: tiles in Paris. Now that issue alone is no good.
23:19
Speaker 6: That is no good When there's a person down there
23:21
Speaker 6: at the IDA who can't afford their groceries, they do
23:24
Speaker 6: not accept that. Now regards her airfas, I don't know
23:28
Speaker 6: she has to explain that. You know, I can understand
23:32
Speaker 6: why you wouldn't fire economy, I'll be straight. I can
23:34
Speaker 6: understand why you want to be able to get some
23:36
Speaker 6: sleep because you want to hit the ground running. But
23:38
Speaker 6: where were you were in first class? What's going on here?
23:42
Speaker 6: We need It's just so many cloudy issues here. But
23:45
Speaker 6: I don't think Anika could make it any worse for herself.
23:49
Speaker 6: It's really for the Prime Minister to decide whether he
23:52
Speaker 6: endorses this or not. And if he endorses that, then
23:55
Speaker 6: stop talking about the cost of living crosses.
23:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pauline, I found it. Here's Jim Charmers the treasure
24:02
Speaker 2: today again saying we've got to find savings of the
24:05
Speaker 2: public service. Well, meanwhile, one of the ministers is out
24:09
Speaker 2: treating the credit card like it was Christmas.
24:12
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable.
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Speaker 9: It is unbelievable and it doesn't pass the pub test
24:18
Speaker 9: and I'm sorry, I'm harder on this. There has to
24:20
Speaker 9: be more accountability and I've seen this and especially with
24:23
Speaker 9: the Greens room at Parliament House one point six million
24:26
Speaker 9: dollars for this and it's gone up from just over
24:28
Speaker 9: eight hundred thousand to one point six million dollars and
24:31
Speaker 9: people are furious about it, and so they should. It
24:34
Speaker 9: has to be more accountability and of the taxpayers dollars.
24:38
Speaker 9: You know, you just don't go out and pick the
24:40
Speaker 9: money off it. That's hard work of Austrands, and especially
24:43
Speaker 9: when people can't give the decent healthcare that they require.
24:46
Speaker 9: And that's important to me because you're healthless everything and
24:49
Speaker 9: we can't give that to ordinary Australians to have those
24:52
Speaker 9: X raysed, mammograms or have you know, those operations that
24:55
Speaker 9: they require.
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Speaker 4: I think it's discussing.
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Speaker 9: I hope that Alban easy and he's a week leader
25:02
Speaker 9: to not come out and say this is not good enough.
25:04
Speaker 9: He's lots of rules. Well, if the rules are they
25:06
Speaker 9: wait then change the rules.
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Speaker 4: Okay, No, problem. Change the rules.
25:10
Speaker 9: She should actually have to be unscrutiny here, pay back
25:13
Speaker 9: some of that money, or she actually needs to lose
25:16
Speaker 9: her job. There has to be a contract drawn up
25:19
Speaker 9: that you have to be accountable for every dollar of
25:22
Speaker 9: the taxpayer dollars that you spend here.
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Speaker 4: The rule book is out of date. I'm sorry it
25:26
Speaker 4: needs to be thrown out.
25:29
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for coming on.
25:31
Speaker 2: I think we've had a glimpse of what this new
25:35
Speaker 2: partnership will be. That'll be fascinating. I can tell you
25:39
Speaker 2: what's going to be. A lot of your former colleagues
25:41
Speaker 2: now stroke in the slash enemies.
25:44
Speaker 3: We'll be looking.
25:45
Speaker 2: We're fascination to see how it all works out. So
25:48
Speaker 2: good luck to you both and see you next time.
25:51
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, thank you, thank you. WelCom to
25:57
Speaker 2: understand out no egos in either of us. It's going
26:00
Speaker 2: to be a team effort. They'll be held to that
26:03
Speaker 2: one for sure. After the break, While Anika Well spends
26:06
Speaker 2: your money on his self and a family, the Treasure
26:10
Speaker 2: Today says it's turning off the tap on you.
26:17
Speaker 3: Well.
26:17
Speaker 2: With the Anika Wells scandal, living home in the hog
26:21
Speaker 2: and taxpayers, this is not the day for the Albanezer
26:24
Speaker 2: government to announce, well, look, you know we're so desperate
26:28
Speaker 2: now for spending money that we are ending the massive
26:32
Speaker 2: compensation we're paying to hide the fact that the power
26:35
Speaker 2: prices are soaring, not going down as the government actually
26:39
Speaker 2: promised four years ago.
26:40
Speaker 3: Here's treasure of Jim Charmers.
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Speaker 7: Just this morning the Cabinet decided this morning are not
26:46
Speaker 7: to extend the electricity bill rebates. There have been three
26:51
Speaker 7: rounds of electricity bill rebates and there won't be a fourth.
26:56
Speaker 7: The Commonwealth has spent almost seven billion dollars these three
27:00
Speaker 7: rounds of energy bill rebates. The States and territories have
27:04
Speaker 7: kicked in another one and a half billion or so.
27:08
Speaker 7: These were a really important way that we provide help
27:11
Speaker 7: with the cost of living, but they're not the only
27:13
Speaker 7: way that we're providing that cost of living relief.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's incredible eight and a half billion dollars
27:20
Speaker 2: in total in government handouts spent to hide the pain.
27:23
Speaker 2: Course by the Bungle moves to green power, you pay
27:26
Speaker 2: for the handouts.
27:26
Speaker 3: As well as the bills. You know what a disaster
27:30
Speaker 3: joined mister Panel.
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Speaker 2: Michael Kroger form of Victorian Liberal President Steve Conry, former
27:34
Speaker 2: Laby centator and cabinet minister Michael No more rebates means
27:39
Speaker 2: even higher power bills. Of course the government has given
27:42
Speaker 2: up trying to hide that pain.
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Speaker 10: Why is that, Well, because they're run out of money, Andrew,
27:48
Speaker 10: and the budget's deeply in deficit. You've got one hundred
27:51
Speaker 10: and forty billion dollars of deficits coming in the next
27:53
Speaker 10: four years. You've got over trillion dollars of debt. This
27:56
Speaker 10: guy charmers as weak as water, as weak as water.
27:58
Speaker 10: He can't controlly spend, that's his problem. So in desperation
28:02
Speaker 10: he's now had to junk this policy. But the real
28:04
Speaker 10: political crime here, Andrew, and this would never be acceptable
28:08
Speaker 10: in the corporate sector or anywhere else in the world.
28:11
Speaker 10: These guys went the election promising this saving that we
28:14
Speaker 10: know the amount. They had no idea. The numbers were
28:17
Speaker 10: completely plucked out of thin air. And not only were
28:20
Speaker 10: those numbers wrong, but they're wrong by eight billion, which
28:23
Speaker 10: is what the federal and the state government to pay
28:25
Speaker 10: on these rebates to keep prices down. They were out
28:28
Speaker 10: by thirteen or fourteen billion on their estimates. So this
28:34
Speaker 10: is just you know, as I said, are this new
28:37
Speaker 10: renewable energy pushed. These guys are running into a fog
28:41
Speaker 10: they're making up as they go along. They're putting the
28:43
Speaker 10: whole economy of this country at risk and it's utterly
28:47
Speaker 10: appalling and charmers. I mean, people talk about Wells going
28:50
Speaker 10: this blokes out of his depth. He's been a disastrous
28:53
Speaker 10: treasurer and this is another example of his complete failure
28:56
Speaker 10: as treasure of this country.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Steve going to totally understand by their handouts have
29:02
Speaker 2: got to go. But then the government is exposed. Then
29:06
Speaker 2: whenever there is a price rise, and there will be
29:08
Speaker 2: more price risers, it's going to cost them some political pain,
29:12
Speaker 2: isn't it.
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Speaker 11: Well, obviously the level of electricity prices has been a political,
29:20
Speaker 11: you know charged issue for oh look, probably ten years.
29:26
Speaker 11: The Liberals have tried to drum it up into something
29:28
Speaker 11: that's useful for them. But the Australian public are on
29:33
Speaker 11: board with the transition to renewable energy. They understand that
29:38
Speaker 11: we have to improve the grid. Yes they do. And
29:43
Speaker 11: nobody serious, including yourself, doesn't think that there needs to
29:46
Speaker 11: be an upgrade in the overall system. Put aside, whether
29:50
Speaker 11: it's renewables which you hate, or it's coal fire power stations, but.
29:54
Speaker 3: The transmission system has fallen into dis solar panels of
29:58
Speaker 3: my roof.
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Speaker 11: I thank you for declaring so the Australian public are
30:05
Speaker 11: aware of this. And when Susan Lay was challenged when
30:09
Speaker 11: will prices come down under your policy? She wouldn't answer
30:13
Speaker 11: because this mythology that the liberals are now attached themselves
30:17
Speaker 11: to will come back and bite them.
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Speaker 2: So there the whole idea go up one way or
30:24
Speaker 2: the other, one way or the other, they're going to
30:27
Speaker 2: go up, and all this money that was spent on
30:30
Speaker 2: wind and solar will turn out to be largely wasted.
30:33
Speaker 3: I'm afraid.
30:34
Speaker 2: And that's the that's the terrible, terrible dilemma we are
30:37
Speaker 2: now in. You shouldn't have started from here, the Irish
30:41
Speaker 2: Travel Guard. That's where we are right now. Steve Manner
30:46
Speaker 2: mentioned or you both? Did I think Anika Wells again?
30:48
Speaker 2: Or no you did? Sportsman's Enica Wells? I tell you,
30:52
Speaker 2: Michael as if she's not in enough trouble already now,
30:56
Speaker 2: The Courier Mail is reporting she failed to declare a
30:59
Speaker 2: string of free tickets that she and her husband got
31:02
Speaker 2: to a long list of Swish events an Oasis concert,
31:06
Speaker 2: the logis an AFL and a then NRL Grand fail
31:10
Speaker 2: and more.
31:11
Speaker 3: Can she survive?
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Speaker 10: Yes, probably, even though one of the other major newspapers
31:18
Speaker 10: has just dropped a story saying while she's at the
31:20
Speaker 10: tennis she made the government car wait seven hours and
31:23
Speaker 10: charged one thousand dollars. Whilst she was at the tennis,
31:25
Speaker 10: the cars just had to wait for her. I mean, yes,
31:28
Speaker 10: she'll survive. I mean these things have been going on
31:31
Speaker 10: for thirty years since Terry mcenroth and others had to
31:34
Speaker 10: resign in the Queensland governor who remember the Biochi Pedis
31:37
Speaker 10: and Gos's governments had started all this problem uncovering these
31:41
Speaker 10: things and more than thirty years ago, and over time
31:44
Speaker 10: ministers have come and gone and resigned and repaid.
31:47
Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera.
31:48
Speaker 10: I presume what will happen is they will send this
31:51
Speaker 10: off to an independent inquiry that'll kill off the press coverage.
31:54
Speaker 10: The independent inquiry will come back and say she's completely
31:57
Speaker 10: within guidelines, and then everyone will move. And while will
32:00
Speaker 10: I say, with her in guidelines because they probably are
32:03
Speaker 10: the guidelines as loose as anything, and you can get
32:06
Speaker 10: away with anything on the basis of you know what
32:10
Speaker 10: is written down her. I mean, would she spend this
32:14
Speaker 10: money in this way to her own money? That's the question,
32:17
Speaker 10: that's the pub question that everyone you know would if
32:20
Speaker 10: it was her dollars and her husband's money out of
32:22
Speaker 10: coming out of their skyrocket, would they be spending money
32:25
Speaker 10: this three of The answer, of course is no, and
32:27
Speaker 10: that's why it doesn't pass the pub desk. Of course
32:29
Speaker 10: she should resign. She she's treated the public persons of
32:32
Speaker 10: its sort of an atm. And you know, as you
32:36
Speaker 10: say on the day when electricity rebate announcement was that
32:39
Speaker 10: they're not being renewed.
32:41
Speaker 2: What a mess, Stephen, When prom a bishop liberal will
32:46
Speaker 2: use the helicopter to fly to a fundraisers the old
32:49
Speaker 2: there was business stuff she had, she resigned And when
32:53
Speaker 2: Tony Burke was found to have taken his family up
32:56
Speaker 2: to Ularue on the taxpayer, he paid it back.
33:00
Speaker 3: What will have to happen here?
33:03
Speaker 11: Well, I'm quite confused by this argument. Anika Wells is
33:08
Speaker 11: the Minister for Sport. Her job is to represent the
33:13
Speaker 11: government at these many and varied sporting events and that
33:19
Speaker 11: is completely normal. Every single prime minister minister that gets
33:25
Speaker 11: invited to these things. Almost always accepts the invite and
33:30
Speaker 11: travels to it, and that is their job.
33:34
Speaker 3: So now the criticism is sport too.
33:38
Speaker 11: No, there is what's called the family reunion aspect of it,
33:43
Speaker 11: and this has been a long time, which it well,
33:49
Speaker 11: you would have to ask them about the personal circumstance
33:51
Speaker 11: of their kids. But having family and partners come with
33:58
Speaker 11: you to various events actually designed in the system because
34:02
Speaker 11: when as in this case, she's forced to work on
34:05
Speaker 11: a weekend and you might go, oh, you know, go
34:08
Speaker 11: to forty Grand finals.
34:09
Speaker 3: I've been working.
34:09
Speaker 11: Yes, it is work, And when she has to leave
34:11
Speaker 11: home and go to these things, the whole purpose of
34:15
Speaker 11: this reunion system is to allow you to bring a
34:19
Speaker 11: family member of us, which is.
34:21
Speaker 2: You full point of In the Senate, you were devastating
34:25
Speaker 2: it going for the other side. You were devastated, and
34:29
Speaker 2: I love the idea of what you would say if
34:32
Speaker 2: this was a liberal who had done all this, Oh
34:34
Speaker 2: my gosh, it would give you ten minutes. You wouldn't
34:37
Speaker 2: be finished with this excoriating them. But you've got to
34:40
Speaker 2: do what you've got to do. Michael Brogus, Stephen Conroy,
34:43
Speaker 2: thank you very much to you both.
34:45
Speaker 3: After the break.
34:46
Speaker 2: Donald Trump warns Europe, your civilization is being wiped out,
34:50
Speaker 2: and there's a message for us as well. Donald Trump
34:57
Speaker 2: and his team has just released a fascinating document looking
35:00
Speaker 2: where the security challenges are around the world as far
35:04
Speaker 2: as they see them now. When Anthony ivin Easy finally
35:07
Speaker 2: did meet US President on Trump in Washington a month
35:10
Speaker 2: and a half ago, now, Trump didn't push him at
35:13
Speaker 2: all on increasing defense spending. He said, oh, you know,
35:16
Speaker 2: Australia can only do so much. But now the US
35:20
Speaker 2: has released its national security strategy and the pressure is
35:24
Speaker 2: right back on us. Joining the country's top foreign affairs
35:27
Speaker 2: rat Agreg Sheridan of The Australian greg Suddenly it does
35:33
Speaker 2: matter that we don't spend enough on defense.
35:36
Speaker 12: Yes, Andrew, great to be with you. Look, this is
35:39
Speaker 12: a revolutionary document from Trump. He says, I'm less interested
35:44
Speaker 12: in Europe, I'm less interested in the Middle East. And
35:47
Speaker 12: he doesn't say I'm going to put all my attention
35:48
Speaker 12: on Asia. He says I'm going to put my attention
35:50
Speaker 12: on Latin America. He says the idea that the US
35:55
Speaker 12: is the Atlas of the world holding up security everywhere
35:59
Speaker 12: no longer applies. Allies have got to become primary responsibility
36:04
Speaker 12: for their own security, and he explicitly calls out Australia,
36:09
Speaker 12: and he pairs Australia with Taiwan, which is fascinating because
36:13
Speaker 12: Taiwan is more vulnerable than any other territory in the
36:16
Speaker 12: entire world to Chinese aggression, and he obviously puts Australia
36:21
Speaker 12: in a similar basket. And the document says they must
36:25
Speaker 12: spend more on defense and we will no longer provide
36:30
Speaker 12: absolute security guarantees. It's in a way, it's quite a
36:34
Speaker 12: disturbing document. He makes very sound, reasonable criticisms of Europe,
36:39
Speaker 12: but he says I won't criticize Middle East dictatorships because
36:43
Speaker 12: I no longer want to impose democracy. And he utters
36:46
Speaker 12: not a single word of criticism of Russia and barely
36:50
Speaker 12: a word of criticism of China, but then kicks the
36:53
Speaker 12: guts out of Europe, saying it faces civilizational Erasia. Well,
36:57
Speaker 12: that's true, probably that's true, but is it really a
37:02
Speaker 12: national security threat to the United States? And it confuses
37:06
Speaker 12: people about does he place any value on democracy at all.
37:12
Speaker 12: At the bottom line of all this is nations have
37:14
Speaker 12: to do far more for themselves, and of course we're
37:17
Speaker 12: doing nothing for ourselves.
37:20
Speaker 2: Well, I reckon, perhaps that's a reality check for us.
37:24
Speaker 2: I mean, this lazy idea that we can rely on
37:27
Speaker 2: America always coming to our aid when it's a relative
37:31
Speaker 2: power in the world is declining, China's is growing. I'm
37:34
Speaker 2: not so sure that we can keep that. I mean,
37:37
Speaker 2: you think of this deal that we had, the Security
37:40
Speaker 2: Pact with India and Japan and all that. Well, India,
37:45
Speaker 2: Narende Modi, the Prime Minister has just welcomed his good
37:50
Speaker 2: friend Vladimir Putin, the butcher of Russia, is supposed to
37:54
Speaker 2: be under an international arrest warrant from Teropol as an
37:58
Speaker 2: honored guest in this country, or even rely on India.
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Speaker 12: Well, that's right, Andrew, But I think India is a
38:05
Speaker 12: fascinating case and point. So this document, it has some
38:08
Speaker 12: good things in it, and a lot of what it
38:09
Speaker 12: says is true, of course, But for example, it says
38:13
Speaker 12: that the US is going to need to transform its
38:16
Speaker 12: allies into an economic block, and it doesn't mention China
38:20
Speaker 12: by name. It's astoundingly reluctant to say a single critical
38:24
Speaker 12: word about Russia or China, but it says we're going
38:27
Speaker 12: to have to be an economic block to provide secure
38:30
Speaker 12: supplied chains and fair trade and all the rest, and
38:33
Speaker 12: it says the US can put this together. But the
38:37
Speaker 12: US has in the last year imposed insane punitive tariffs
38:42
Speaker 12: on India, and it has driven India into the arms
38:46
Speaker 12: both of Vladimir Putin and of China. And it's punished
38:50
Speaker 12: India allegedly for buying Russian oil in a way that
38:53
Speaker 12: it has never punished China for doing so. And in reality,
38:58
Speaker 12: this is because Narendra Modi disagreed with Trump that Trump
39:02
Speaker 12: had solved the India Pakistan conflict and wouldn't nominate Trump
39:07
Speaker 12: for a Nobel Peace Prize. Now, how do you square
39:11
Speaker 12: the national security strategy's urgent need to have the democracies
39:17
Speaker 12: of the world combining together to find to form safe
39:22
Speaker 12: security chains and rules of the road for fair trade
39:27
Speaker 12: and all the rest of it with Trump on the
39:29
Speaker 12: other hand just putting on capricious, wild tariffs on everybody,
39:35
Speaker 12: while at the same time saying in this document big
39:39
Speaker 12: powers have their spheres of influence, which seems to mean
39:43
Speaker 12: Russia can do what it likes in Ukraine, China can
39:46
Speaker 12: ultimately do what it likes in Taiwan. Although the document
39:49
Speaker 12: says he's going to maintain the terrence and he opposes
39:52
Speaker 12: any change to the status quo across Taiwan, and most
39:56
Speaker 12: of the document is focused on Latin America where he
39:59
Speaker 12: wants to be our to attack Venezuela and Bob Mexico
40:02
Speaker 12: and so forth. That's a very very strange document. Now,
40:06
Speaker 12: I think at the end of the day, the US
40:08
Speaker 12: is still absolutely indispensable to our security. But the idea
40:13
Speaker 12: that you just go along, I mean, the Albanesi government
40:17
Speaker 12: is completely impervious to reality. These are massive geostrategic changes
40:22
Speaker 12: coming right now before our eyes, and our closest ally
40:27
Speaker 12: is declaring them, and we're just on autopilot. We're not
40:31
Speaker 12: going to do anything.
40:33
Speaker 2: Well, when you've got an American president and the next
40:36
Speaker 2: one might not. But if it's jade Vancy might go
40:38
Speaker 2: along with it, saying spheres of influence. Then clearly they're
40:43
Speaker 2: abandoning Australia, China's sphere of influence, Ukraine to Russia's sphere
40:49
Speaker 2: of influence. And you've got Trump saying Venezuela is ours.
40:54
Speaker 2: That doesn't leave us very secure at all. This is
40:56
Speaker 2: going back to the Great Powers in the nineteenth century.
40:59
Speaker 2: Carving up the world like that.
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Speaker 12: That's right, Andrew, And in fact it is a tremendous
41:05
Speaker 12: departure from America's way. You know, Teddy Roosevelt was a
41:10
Speaker 12: great power president, and you know he modified the so
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Speaker 12: called Monroe doctrine that external powers couldn't interfere in Latin
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Speaker 12: America against you as interests. But when he sent the
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Speaker 12: Great White Fleet to Australia in about nineteen oh seven,
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Speaker 12: he said, look, the Australians are a great democratic people
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Speaker 12: and we would always have their backs in any security crisis.
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Speaker 12: So for one hundred and ten years, one hundred and
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Speaker 12: fifteen years, the Americans have had a commitment to Australian
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Speaker 12: security on the basis of our shared democratic values. Now
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Speaker 12: this document gives no value to democratic That's.
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Speaker 2: What it should be, should be an alliance of civilizational values.
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Speaker 2: And Donald Trump doesn't see it that way. Is interested
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Speaker 2: in money and businesses, and it seems to me, Greg Sheridan,
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Speaker 2: I had the feeling you're going to be writing about
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Speaker 2: this in Australia tomorrow. I urge people to look for
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Speaker 2: your writings. Thank you so much for your time. After
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Speaker 2: the break hospitals cancel the Australian flag.
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Speaker 3: Are they that shamed by Australia.
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Speaker 2: As we said before the break, Donald Trump is a
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Speaker 2: new security document warning that Europe faced civilizational erasure. Well
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Speaker 2: in Australia, Victoria especially, it seems politicians and bureaucrats are
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Speaker 2: trying to erase our civilization as well. Patient at Twangoatta's
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Speaker 2: Hospital complain to me, oh, this admission form has three flags, not.
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Speaker 3: One of them in the Australian one.
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Speaker 2: Well I checked this website correct an Aboriginal flag, torrestraight
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Speaker 2: under the flag, rainbow flag for gays and other sex
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Speaker 2: identity minorities.
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Speaker 3: No Australian flag.
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Speaker 2: And this is the same throughout much of Victoria's public
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Speaker 2: health system. I've discovered this very same apparent shame of
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Speaker 2: Australia or its flag. No Australian flag at Barwin Health
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Speaker 2: that's Geelong and surrounds. Same at Grampian's Health covering towns
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Speaker 2: like Harsham. Same with the swan Hill District. Amazingly, the
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Speaker 2: Alfred Hospital in Melbourne has five flags or symbols, the
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Speaker 2: two race ones, the rainbow one another for the deaf,
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Speaker 2: for fifth for people who can't speak English, and it's
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Speaker 2: the same with Bendigo Health. Five flags or symbols, none
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Speaker 2: the Australian one. Joining me Michael Danby, former Federal label
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Speaker 2: MP and Joe Hildebrand SCONEI is regular and Daily Telegraph writer.
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Speaker 3: Michael. I've checked a.
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Speaker 2: Lot of hospitals in other states, including New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: Can't find anything like what we're seeing in Victoria erasing
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Speaker 2: the Australian flag while flying race ones and others. What's
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Speaker 2: going on?
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Speaker 13: Well, you've discovered another aspect of the work culture in Victoria.
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Speaker 13: Of course they should use the Australian flag. There's been
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Speaker 13: a general down playing of Australian nationalism. Remember there were
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Speaker 13: the supermarkets a few years ago refused to put out
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Speaker 13: some Australia Australiana for Australia Day.
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Speaker 1: I must say my favorite garment is this some sports
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Speaker 1: top that I bought the Parliamentary Room.
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Speaker 13: That's Australian logo on it and sometimes I wear it
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Speaker 13: around some Kilda just to stick it up.
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Speaker 1: The woke.
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Speaker 3: Around some Kilda.
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Speaker 2: I hope you'd a good at ducking stones and all
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Speaker 2: that they behead the Captain Cook statues down that way.
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Speaker 3: Joe, what do you make of this? Yeah?
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Speaker 14: Well, to be honest, I think this is the sort
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Speaker 14: of bureaucratic box ticking exercise that we see, especially in Victoria,
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Speaker 14: but also elsewhere in the public service, where they'd be
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Speaker 14: wanting to reassure prospective patients that they're a safe and
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Speaker 14: inclusive space for anyone from a diverse background and be
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Speaker 14: part of their DEI sort of box ticking exercise. And
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Speaker 14: I'm not particularly outraged, but I would just say we
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Speaker 14: saw during the pandemic that the Victorian health system was
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Speaker 14: woefully under resourced, was incapable of doing the contact tracing
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Speaker 14: that New South Wales was because it's public health Sexton
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Speaker 14: had been decimated by Jeff Kenner and never really recovered
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Speaker 14: under labor. So I would just wonder why you would
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Speaker 14: have anyone in an institution that is set up to
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Speaker 14: literally save lives, why you would have anyone engaging in
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Speaker 14: this kind of completely meaningless, useless boxing xis. I mean,
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Speaker 14: as if anyone checking in as a patient is going
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Speaker 14: to go, hang on a minute, I better make sure
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Speaker 14: that they're acknowledging the traditional owners or that they're supportive
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Speaker 14: of the LGBTQIPLAT. I mean, who on earth thought that
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Speaker 14: this was any kind of prerequisite for healthcare.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy, Joe. I get the fact, you know, let's
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Speaker 2: not fuss about it. But on the other hand, for
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Speaker 2: so many people and institutions to have such shame for
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Speaker 2: the symbols of their country speaks to me of a
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Speaker 2: deep malaise that really will well elect trust and all
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Speaker 2: that you're seen in Victoria already. I think it's a
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Speaker 2: sign of great sickness myself.
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Speaker 14: He had a hold off about Andrew and the diversity policy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Michael, I have no doubt that you've had to
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Speaker 2: fill in a few expense forms in your time as
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Speaker 2: a politician. Anika Wells, Is there any reason that she
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be sacked.
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Speaker 13: No, especially for the meal in Paris and the seven
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Speaker 13: hundred dollars Uprey meal expenditure.
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Speaker 1: That's that's just outrageous.
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Speaker 13: It's you know, she could have easily paid for those themselves.
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Speaker 1: They weren't work related.
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Speaker 13: The family related things you can literally excuse on a
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Speaker 13: it's in black and white.
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Speaker 1: Writings from the federal government.
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Speaker 13: But the meal in Paris and the Uprey are inexcusable,
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Speaker 13: and Elbow will have to act. You could see by
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Speaker 13: Jim Chalmers pained face at that press con. Yes, so
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Speaker 13: it's killing the government and that they can't afford to
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Speaker 13: have this stuff hang around.
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Speaker 1: He'll have to act very quickly.
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Speaker 2: Joe, I learned my tray that the Age newspaper will
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Speaker 2: learned what not to do with the Age newspaper at
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Speaker 2: a time when jiants of journalism made an art form
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Speaker 2: of their expenses, etc. So we're hardly one's the talk.
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Speaker 2: But really, what did you think of all this expense?
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Speaker 2: You know, this is a business trip, seventeen hundred dollars
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Speaker 2: on the taxpayer for lunch and drinks of dinner and drinks.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a terrible, terrible look. And the worst thing
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Speaker 14: of all, of course, is that this has all come
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Speaker 14: to light at exactly the moment where the government is
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Speaker 14: doing something which is literally a world first, groundbreaking achievement,
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Speaker 14: which is a social media ban. It's their Communications minister
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Speaker 14: who should be out there selling it when it comes
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Speaker 14: into effect on Wednesday, and instead she's talking about you
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Speaker 14: know what she did or didn't have to eat and
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Speaker 14: drink in a Paris restaurant. I mean, it's the worst
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Speaker 14: possible time. I think human beings are hardwired to, you know,
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Speaker 14: to sort of make a beeline for a free lunch,
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Speaker 14: or pick up a bargain, or grab any freebie they can,
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Speaker 14: And I think it's somehow it does. It scrambles the
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Speaker 14: brain and stops you being able to make proper judgments.
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Speaker 14: But as we say in journalism, even though we've taken plenty,
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Speaker 14: there's no such thing as a free lunch. Something will
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Speaker 14: always be demanded in return. And every time you are
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Speaker 14: spending money as a politician, every expenditure should be measured
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Speaker 14: as how it would look on the front page of
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Speaker 14: the Herald Sign or the Daily Telegraph, because you can
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Speaker 14: guarantee that that is where it is going to end up.
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Speaker 2: What a good lesson. Look, I'm sorry the time is
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Speaker 2: so short. We went long on Landevye Joyce and Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much to the birth Joe and Michael Danby.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me, up next Sherry Markson.
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Speaker 3: Good night,