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Beasts of LBL: Hellhounds, Dogman, Bigfoot & Lizardman with Mike Smith · The Cryptid Huntress

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  Speaker 1: Well, good evening, everybody. It's the Cryptied Huntress. I'm Jessica Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome into our show tonight on the Hunt. Were We
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  Speaker 1: are going on the Hunt tonight with Mike Smith out
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  Speaker 1: of Kentucky. You guys. Mike is brand new to the
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  Speaker 1: Crypti Hunters Channel, but he and I have hung out
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times up in Kentucky and he's awesome, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Y'allre gonna y'all are definitely in for a treat tonight. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He has generations worth in his family of cryptid encounters
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  Speaker 1: out of the LBL, in Lake Berkeley, in that whole
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  Speaker 1: area out there, and uh, and tonight we're gonna get
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  Speaker 1: into all of it with Mike Smith, y'all, and so
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  Speaker 1: buckle up, y'all. We got a lot to unpack tonight
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  Speaker 1: and uh and it is going to knock your socks off,
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  Speaker 1: much for all your support. All right, well, let's get
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  Speaker 1: into our show tonight and here we go. All right, tonight,
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  Speaker 1: we're going on the hunt with Mike Smith of Kentucky
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  Speaker 1: to discuss his encounters with beast all the beast of
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  Speaker 1: the Land between the Lakes, including Bigfoot, dog Man, and
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  Speaker 1: an encounter that his father had with a lizard man
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  Speaker 1: at Energy Lake a decade ago. Mike Smith is an
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  Speaker 1: avid hiker and outdoorsman who has spent much of his
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  Speaker 1: life exploring the Land Between the Lakes area in Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: He described himself as a reluctant researcher who primarily is
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  Speaker 1: a fisherman, or was one, until a specific encounter changed
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  Speaker 1: his life. In May of twenty twenty, while fishing with
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  Speaker 1: his wife and daughters on at the LBL I believe
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  Speaker 1: that was Mother's Day, probably he had a close range
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  Speaker 1: Bigfoot sighting, and following this twenty twenty encounter, he began
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  Speaker 1: actively researching the phenomenon, primarily focusing on the north end
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  Speaker 1: of the LBL, which is the Kentuckian where I like
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  Speaker 1: to research. And so he's had multiple sightings and encounters
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  Speaker 1: sent not only with Bigfoot, but dog Man and other entities.
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  Speaker 1: He's had a lot of paranormal activity as well, probably
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  Speaker 1: in his house from what I recall, and he documents
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  Speaker 1: his fightings on his YouTube channel, It's smith Ridge Adventures.
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  Speaker 1: It's down here on the ticker and we'll pull it
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  Speaker 1: up at the end of the show tonight. You guys,
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  Speaker 1: please help me. Welcome to the show, mister Mike Smith. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: Hey Mike, Mike, Mike, thanks being here.
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  Speaker 2: That might have been the best introduction I've ever gotten.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. That was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you were very welcome, and you are much deserving
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  Speaker 1: of the most fantastic intro ever. So I'm so glad
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  Speaker 1: you're here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Mike.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Mike.
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  Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of meeting you at the lb
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  Speaker 1: L the same night that Matt and I. Actually Martin Groves,
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  Speaker 1: Barton and Ley and Tish Matt were criminals. We got ambushed. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: two o'clock that night, that morning, right after, right after
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  Speaker 1: Barton had interviewed you about the Lizard Man.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. I've heard. I guess I left,
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  Speaker 2: depending on how you look at it, the the n
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  Speaker 2: opportune time or the opportune time. But I heard I
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  Speaker 2: missed a bunch of excitement.
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  Speaker 1: You did well. It was terrifyingly amazing. Okay, it was scary,
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  Speaker 1: It really was scary, but it was also awesome. But
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  Speaker 1: you're you're not I mean, you're you're privy to all
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  Speaker 1: the high straight strangers out there, and it's not it's
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  Speaker 1: not anything new to you, right, because you've been hanging
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  Speaker 1: out of the LBL for decades.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, just probably. Uh, I've been on a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of shows. I get my dates, you know, mixed up
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  Speaker 2: up here and there the years. But when we moved
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  Speaker 2: to Marshall County and I went my junior and senior year,
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  Speaker 2: so that's eighty eight, eighty nine, eighty nine and ninety.
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  Speaker 2: Prior to that, i'd lived down in Clarksfield, Tennessee, which
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  Speaker 2: is only a few minutes away, so I have memories
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  Speaker 2: from nineteen eighty two. When I was ten, my family
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  Speaker 2: was down here, so no matter where I was in
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  Speaker 2: the country, we spent summers down here. But we used
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  Speaker 2: to skip school. As soon as I hit my junior
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  Speaker 2: year and had got my car and turned sixteen, we
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  Speaker 2: used to skip school and hang out in LBL, starting
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  Speaker 2: full time in eighty eight.
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  Speaker 1: So, yeah, did your parents know about that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say yes, not to the extent a few times,
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  Speaker 2: as I didn't get any calls from school, so they
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  Speaker 2: thought it a little bit, was okay, But I did
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  Speaker 2: it way more than they really realized.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it was for educational purposes, wasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: That's correct, and I wasn't wrong. It was me and
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  Speaker 2: a group of guys and we could gain the system
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  Speaker 2: back then. You know, you can't gain that system anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So I know I know my son will never get
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  Speaker 1: away with it if he tries. No, I just noticed
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  Speaker 1: we've got Martin Groves in the chat tonight, So Martin,
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  Speaker 1: our fellow friend over here in researcher, thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being here.
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  Speaker 2: Martin. Yeah, I talked to Martin today and I meant
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  Speaker 2: to tell you. So I'm looking at a tiny screen
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  Speaker 2: on a tiny phone, so if somebody's talking to me
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  Speaker 2: or saying something, I'm not being rude. I can't see you,
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  Speaker 2: so you'll have to relay those messages to me. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I love Martin death Man, like I say, talk to
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  Speaker 2: him today.
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  Speaker 1: I will thank you so much. Martin was actually there
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  Speaker 1: with us when when Barton interviewed you, and then that
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  Speaker 1: night Martin got pushed around in his truck while while
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  Speaker 1: Matt and I were getting ambushed, Barton were sleeping. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but but yeah, that was that was a group of
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  Speaker 1: fear there. Sucked, but it was also great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, Martin's Martin Man. He'll get you into
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  Speaker 2: some stuff, you know. So I had my big foot
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  Speaker 2: sighting you mentioned with my family, and then from doing
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  Speaker 2: a few podcasts and just trying to get my story
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  Speaker 2: out there really to make myself feel better and understand
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  Speaker 2: that I wasn't crazy and there was a whole community
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  Speaker 2: of people that knew and believed, and that led to
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  Speaker 2: the Small Town Monsters doc that about dog men, and
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  Speaker 2: I just happened to have an experience in high school
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  Speaker 2: where I could verify being in LBL and hearing some
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  Speaker 2: things that were strange and then having people talk about
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  Speaker 2: the massacre prior to the Internet. So that was my
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  Speaker 2: involvement with them verifying that it was. It was a
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  Speaker 2: pre internet thing, and that's how I met Martin and
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  Speaker 2: then got into the real weird. You know, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: trying to go fishing and go hiking and I'm into
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  Speaker 2: all this weird scary stuff now.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how it works.
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  Speaker 2: Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I started off as a big foot filled re Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm out there chasing wear wolves and stuff exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have it any other way. Personally, it's fun. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's not only you know, I'm out there. Originally I
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  Speaker 1: was looking for Bigfoot, and then we started getting UFOs
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  Speaker 1: and ET involvement, and now we're doing the you know,
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  Speaker 1: finding out there's dog men out there, and there's all
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  Speaker 1: sorts of other strange cryptids and some of them I've
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  Speaker 1: graduated into being the cryptid hunters. Now I just look
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  Speaker 1: in at everything. But we started off looking for Bigfoot, right,
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  Speaker 1: and now it's really morpho. I wanted to ask you
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  Speaker 1: about the growing up around the LBL and hearing about
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  Speaker 1: the massacre out there. Now there's a lot of speculation
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  Speaker 1: about that. There's never been any like hardcore evidence like
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  Speaker 1: newspaper articles or anything like that, but there's been a
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  Speaker 1: witness testimony when it comes to that. And so you're
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  Speaker 1: saying that you knew about that and you'd heard about
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  Speaker 1: it back in the nineteen eighties.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, right, Yeah, So the thing was always be aware
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  Speaker 2: of people that were bitter about losing their land, which
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  Speaker 2: was only you know, twenty years prior. So it was
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  Speaker 2: always don't go out at night. And you know, that's
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  Speaker 2: a standard thing. The woods are worse at night, the
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  Speaker 2: ocean's worst at night. So that wasn't like specific to LBL,
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  Speaker 2: but that was my rules. Don't go out at night,
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  Speaker 2: don't be there, lone, watch out for they call them
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  Speaker 2: wild men, witches. I've shared that, witches and serial killers.
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  Speaker 2: I've shared that with people. You know, there was a
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  Speaker 2: real famous, still unsolved killing of a couple of girls
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  Speaker 2: down on the South End. So as we ran around,
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  Speaker 2: we were always aware of stuff. But we were going
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  Speaker 2: to camp one night, a group of us that worked
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  Speaker 2: at the restaurant. We always found a way to have
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  Speaker 2: a party at the assistant manager's house and she loved
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  Speaker 2: having us there, but she wanted to do something and
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  Speaker 2: I had a vain Uh I was. I was raised
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  Speaker 2: as a military brat. My dad was, you know, raised
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  Speaker 2: me to to to live that life. I unfortunately could
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  Speaker 2: not serve. But uh, I very much had was geared
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  Speaker 2: up and equipped, and I had been on you know,
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  Speaker 2: week long float trips up in the Shenandoah River and
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  Speaker 2: the Appalachian Mountains and stuff. So I was very experienced outdoorsman.
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  Speaker 2: And uh so they're like, you know, bring your van,
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  Speaker 2: bring some wood. We're gonna go set up there during
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  Speaker 2: the day. And this was in the North End now,
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  Speaker 2: and and I've always said the from the story I
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  Speaker 2: read and from the proximity to Fort Campbell and the
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  Speaker 2: proximity to a store and the proximity to a farm,
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  Speaker 2: it's always sounded like a South End story to me.
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  Speaker 2: But I was in the North End. And uh I
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  Speaker 2: get to work and they're like, we're not camping, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've got this van full of firewood and
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  Speaker 2: all my gear. And then they're like, and uh You've
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  Speaker 2: got to go get all of our stuff. And they're
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  Speaker 2: pretty scared. This is assistant manager. And I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: just I'm gonna let you off early instead of getting
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  Speaker 2: off at eleven and closing. I'm gonna let you off
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  Speaker 2: at nine. Craig's gonna go with you. He's gonna take
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  Speaker 2: you to the place, get our chairs in the tents
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  Speaker 2: we left and stuff and come back to my house. Cool.
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  Speaker 2: And so Craig was there earlier, so he knew where
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  Speaker 2: we were going. And he takes me up there and
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  Speaker 2: he's he's just telling me they heard something. They heard something.
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  Speaker 2: We get out, we're loading the stuff up across the bay.
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  Speaker 2: We hear it. It's just I can't describe it. It
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  Speaker 2: was like a I thought it was a cougar. It
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  Speaker 2: was a bellowing, just just just a crazy and he goes,
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  Speaker 2: it's a wampus cat. He was calling it a wampus cat,
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  Speaker 2: which I didn't That was my first experience. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know what that was. And I said, man, that's just
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  Speaker 2: a mountain lion. And there's its kill over here. There's
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  Speaker 2: a deer in the bushes. Let's just get out of here.
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  Speaker 2: A few months later, and I can't remember who this is.
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  Speaker 2: I've asked, but one of the girls there was telling us,
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  Speaker 2: asking us if we heard what happened to that family
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  Speaker 2: over there, and that there was a family murdered, and again,
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  Speaker 2: back then without the internet social media hysteria, we were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: people die over there all the time. They've always told
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  Speaker 2: us to watch out. You know, we already knew those
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  Speaker 2: girls had been murdered a few years before, so we
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  Speaker 2: were just like, oh, you know, so I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: anything of it. I didn't attach it to anything like
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  Speaker 2: that until I got into this. I remember seeing Barton's
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  Speaker 2: drawing and when I coached a soccer team in Katie's
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  Speaker 2: years later, and I remember hearing a story about a
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  Speaker 2: dog man or a werewolf from one of my soccer players,
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  Speaker 2: and I saw I was actually kind of aware of it.
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  Speaker 2: And then I started thinking, in hindsight, well, you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe so I know there's something over there that
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  Speaker 2: could have done that. I will I will vouch for
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  Speaker 2: that now with my own experience. But you know, the
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  Speaker 2: details are just I think they're always going to remain
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  Speaker 2: pretty sketchy. I do have I do. I will tell
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  Speaker 2: you one more thing, and I've shared this before, that
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  Speaker 2: that makes me really believe that it happened. When that
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  Speaker 2: Small Town Monsters documentary came out, I'm part of a
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  Speaker 2: Facebook group that they coordinate the cleaning of cemeteries. There's
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  Speaker 2: a few people in that group that got that were
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  Speaker 2: that were children when their grandparents got kicked off the land.
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  Speaker 2: And they're very bitter about stuff, and they don't like
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  Speaker 2: all the beast of lbl all that stuff. And in
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  Speaker 2: the conversations, a lady and it switched over to messenger,
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  Speaker 2: a very old lady, very nice, sweet lady. She said
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  Speaker 2: to me, I'm friends with a detective that worked that case.
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  Speaker 2: It did happen. It was a serial killing type of deal.
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  Speaker 2: They picked the guy up in Florida on their way
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  Speaker 2: back up north. When they got to the park, he
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  Speaker 2: killed them. All. The guy is in jail, was in
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  Speaker 2: jail in Florida. She didn't know if he was dead
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  Speaker 2: or alive or what. She swore that she was friends
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  Speaker 2: with the detective that worked the case from here, retired
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  Speaker 2: in Florida, and she just wanted me to quit talking
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  Speaker 2: about the cryptid stuff and let it go.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's not suspicious at all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, And I tried to get her, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: please come out, please, you know I can get you
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  Speaker 2: on a documentary. I can get you, please, And she said, no,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want any any recognition. I want to be remaining.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, she said she wanted to remain anonymous and
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  Speaker 2: that if anybody contact her, she would say she would
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  Speaker 2: did not tell me that stuff and that I was lying.
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  Speaker 2: So so I respected that. But so the people around
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  Speaker 2: here are pretty I don't know, it might be fifty
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  Speaker 2: to fifty, but I'm very confident that something did happen.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I am too. I mean, I'm pretty confident
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  Speaker 1: something happened there too. I wasn't there, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was tasked at as a remote viewing target a
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  Speaker 1: while back, and I'm trained with the military style of
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  Speaker 1: remote viewing, and I do believe I believe it happened personally,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that there were there were probably two
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  Speaker 1: of these beasts. Now, this is the drawing. This is
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  Speaker 1: a sketch that Barton drew. And I'm gonna say he
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  Speaker 1: never gets enough credit, okay for drawing these things. You know,
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  Speaker 1: just on Thursday night, I covered the Kentucky grave diggers
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  Speaker 1: or a Kentucky grave digger, and Barton actually drew that
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  Speaker 1: thing from an eyewitness report.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So bart Barton's he's he's got his finger on the
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  Speaker 1: pulse of all the crew bids out there. But this,
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  Speaker 1: This is interesting. This is what from an eyewitness sketch. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who he got this from, who it
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  Speaker 1: was from. You know, there's a fellow named Roger that
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  Speaker 1: claims that he was there. Okay, what's happened? And but
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  Speaker 1: this is what people describe. And I'm almost shocked to
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  Speaker 1: hear so many encounters where they say it's like a
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  Speaker 1: bigfoot or a werewolf and it has a bat like face,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of weird.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what, from from what I've seen,
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  Speaker 2: the little I've seen and heard about the wampas cat,
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  Speaker 2: it's not too far off of that either. Really, Yes,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely a lot of the and I think even listening
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  Speaker 2: to Roger and hearing some of these descriptions, you you
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  Speaker 2: will hear cat like sometimes in the description. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. I just I just report
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  Speaker 2: and share what what my experiences have been and what
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  Speaker 2: has happened to me. But what my friend called it
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  Speaker 2: a wampus cat.
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  Speaker 1: I hear a lot about the wampas cat. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I live in the very tippy southern tip of the
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  Speaker 1: Apple Wachians down here in Georgia, and and my research
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  Speaker 1: area spans out into Alabama into like the Talentnigan National Forest,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when I saw my dog man. I've always
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  Speaker 1: been hesitant to say, like one hundred percent what I
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  Speaker 1: saw as a dog man because it was unlike anything
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  Speaker 1: I'd ever seen in my life. Oh yeah, and it
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  Speaker 1: almost looked like a panther, but it also looked like
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  Speaker 1: a bear and also like a hyena.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird, you know what I mean. It doesn't it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't fit the chart, like there's a chart, man, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't look anything like any of those.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh but you know, but the wampas cat
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  Speaker 1: is known pretty well down here in the Appalachians. I
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of my research in North Georgia in
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  Speaker 1: the mountains, and uh and in some state that's a
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  Speaker 1: shape shifting cat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, shape shift Yeah, absolutely absolutely, that's that's what I've heard.
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  Speaker 2: And uh again, which would fit right in with a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the experiences that that we were having now
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  Speaker 2: in Land between the Lakes.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well, well, let's let's talk about let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about your experiences of the Land between the Lakes, because
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  Speaker 1: the most famous is what you mentioned with the family
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  Speaker 1: who was allegedly unalive, as we say on YouTube, but
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  Speaker 1: there's a massacre, the mom and the dad, two kids. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's been hunters that have gone missing, there
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  Speaker 1: have been hunters who have died. There have been deathbed confessions. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: what is that Kentucky or Tennessee fishing game? Yeah, saying
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  Speaker 1: that they watched a couple get ripped apart.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: That's the one that. Yeah, that's the one that really
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: struck me just in listening to it. And I don't
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I don't remember. I've got two names in my head
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: as to who did that, so I can't I'm not
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: sure who brought that the which who's YouTube I listened to,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: But I totally believe that that was I say, that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: one of the first ones I guess when I don't know.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I can't remember when Barton's movie hit YouTube. I'm pretty
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: sure I had seen that one first, but right after
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: that I had listened to this guy and you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: actually what sparked it was funny with I watched Finding Bigfoot,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: you know, I watched it and would look up after
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that or have there been bigfoot sightings around? Has there
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: been stuff around here? Because I would think lbl ought
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: to be that kind of place and that is just
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: it's that. And I'm pretty sure it was up by
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: the Mumber's Bay. And I'm sensitive. I know you and
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I can have talked before about about you know, remote
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: viewing and things, and I can't really be into Mumbers Bay.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I don't like to go there. And I connect it
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: to that story. And I don't know for sure if
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: that's where it was, but just how awful it would
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: be to be in a boat. And you know, the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: story is he came around. I believe he was off duty,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: but he came around and saw some campers and I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: don't know how far shore he was, but he saw
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: this thing coming. So he's waving and yelling at him,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: but they think he's just saying good morning or high
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: and then he watched him. And I'll tell you what
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: if for the people that don't believe the pressure that
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: is exerted on you, just in a lot of jobs,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: but definitely magnified with law enforcement, public service politics, that
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I wonder believe that he It's very easy to believe
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: that somebody will just be quiet to protect their retirement,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to protect I mean, I worked at a company I
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: won't say the name. I don't want to bash anybody.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: I worked at a company for eight years, a really
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: well known large corporation, and the politics and the stuff
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that went on in that place, and the stuff that
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: was swept under the rug, and just just the everyday thing.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: So it's yeah, So when when I hear somebody that
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: says I wanted to just protect my retirement, there's nothing
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I could have done. I reported it. I did report it,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and then the people above me said, squash it. I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: had no problem believing that, and I think most people
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have a problem believe in it either.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I worked in government for almost twenty years, okay, so
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I worked for this. I worked for the State of Georgia, Okay.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And I didn't work at anything they had to do
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: with bigfoot or natural resources or anything like that I
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: worked at. I was at the capitol all the time
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: and stuff, and I was just begging for money for
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: my agency that I worked for. But basically, but anyways,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I know how politics work. I worked in politics my
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: whole life. Okay. Yeah, And and you know, people don't
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: work their entire career just to lose their benefits, because
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you know, they went and talked about bigfoot. You know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I started bigfoot field researching back when I worked for
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the state, and it was a hobby. It was on
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the weekends. It was something fun, but nobody knew. I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: didn't speak publicly out about that for ten years, Mike, right,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: because this was a long time ago, and the scrutiny
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: just for people who knew it was it was a lot.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I didn't get it.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know there's people that like they cry.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: There's there was a guy talking about, well, if it's
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: not on a Freedom of Information Act form, then it
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: didn't happen. I think it's funny every one of us
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: that has been pulled over and gotten a ticket and
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: has had the police officer go, well, you were going
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: eighty five, but I'm gonna knock it down to seventy
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: nine for you. So it's not fifteen mile over violation.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's happened. It's happened probably to how many
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: thousands of people, and we readily we don't start crying corruption,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: then we don't start crying falsification of records. Then we
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: were like thank We're like thank you, sir, But yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you know, but then then when we can't find something else.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: We're trying to make something fit this little box, or
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: we don't want to shift our paradigm or open our mind.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: We're like, oh no, they don't. They don't suppress evidence
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: or falsified records or that couldn't happen the government. Yes
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: it does, Yes, it does.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they do. Listen. I have gone through I have
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I've gone through divorce and you know, I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: had to go to court for stuff, you know, in past,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to leave it at that. I have
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: seen the I'm just gonna say I have seen some corruption.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, there you go, there you go.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Okay, and also shout out to all the law enforcement
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: out there and first responders. I love you guys. Okay,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: there's good. And then there's some notes. But the one
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of the things, listen, we're doing all this, I mean,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: this is my hobby, right, is the researching of all
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: these cryptids and stuff and uh and there is clearly
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: a cover of Mike through all all of these you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: suspected attacks. It's not just the LBL. These are all
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: over the country exactly.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, you know, we've got some critics we
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: talked about before the show a critic that you know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: we just made himselves known here on our comments. And
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: and where do you think the show mission four one
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: one came from? I mean, where do you think you know? Martin?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I think Martin is the only one that has been
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: on I think Monster Quests twice. Maybe Barton's been on it,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: but Barton's wasn't for LBL. But LBL actually is relatively
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: unknown as far as Discovery Channel, Travel Channel, the big
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: shows on TV. But yet they've had shows on for
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: decades about this stuff because it's all over the nation,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: probably all over the world.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it's uh, these things happened all over
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the place, and uh, you know, and I wanted to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: ask you tonight a little bit about like the history
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: behind the LBL, because like that's kind of where we're
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: focused on tonight, talking about your encounters out there and
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: where we were camping. Okay, the first so I've been
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to the LBL three times now, I think I've been
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: three times. And the first time I went out there,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: it was just for one night and it was with
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Barton and Letitia and Anna and her daughter and Matt
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and uh, and we had a wonderful trip out there.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Just that one night, and then we had there we're
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: actually unfortunately there for our friend Cryptoville Mark, you know.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: But then the next time I went, a month later,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I spent all week camped out. That's when I met you, right,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and we had an ambush. We had all sorts of
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: crazy stuff happened at that location. The third time I went,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: we were actually camped out of a cabin. We stayed
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: at a cabin over with that horse farm.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard you talk.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: About that before. And uh, in the night before I
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: got there, they had something to slap the cabin in
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night. Okay, so there's actually even there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: But let's let's kind of focus in on that that
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: one place. The second when I met you, we were
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: camped out at the bottom of an Indian burial mound,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: according to mar Yes, and what is there a connection
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: to all these burial mounds and these cemeteries to some
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of this activities?
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Think absolutely absolutely. And so you and we were all
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: we'd always heard about that. I think there was some
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: talk at one point maybe there was no Native American
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: presence there, and that's that's just not true. It's well documented.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: It was. It was a hunting ground. Uh, they were.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: It's funny. I've got what I think is as a
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: burial mound on my property and I'm I don't know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: twenty miles east. I've got a little five acre plot
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: here twenty miles east of land between the lakes. And
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: so you've got a place called Wickliffe Mountains, which is
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: forty miles maybe west, right on the Mississippi River. You've
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: got the Shawnee National Forest just north of US, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: then all the stuff down in Tennessee south of US
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: well documented. So it would it's harder to believe that
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: there wasn't stuff here when you've got some of the
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: richest ground, You've got all the rivers coming in, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: it's just so, yes, there's a there's mounds there. I've
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: always thought it was kind of Now here's the problem.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: That whole place has been logged before. What you're seeing now,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: you've got to remember it. It was mined for the
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Iron Ore. It was logged. I mean, there were airports, schools,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: service stations, post office. So the topography now has been changed.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: And so when you hear that maybe these mountains we
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: were buried and covered up, it's it's real easy to believe.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: But you still you'll still see them, You'll still I've
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: got a place. It's it's crazy. It's just it's not
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: a connecting a lot of the hills and the ridges
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: they connect with what's called a saddle. You know, they'll
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: connect with the saddle, which is an easy place. You
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: can see it on maps. But you'll see these these
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: domes and these just these crazy formations that don't really
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: fit in. And and maybe maybe they do now more
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: as time has gone by. But yes, it was very
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: active the way I understand it with with Shawnee, with Chickasaw,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: with Cherokee. I'm probably forgetting a couple, but there was
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: multiple tribes that came in, and that's where some of
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the first legends of the shape shifters and the and
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: the crazy shaman came that they were, they were there,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: they were here way before anybody else. If that answers
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: your question, I don't know. I danced around a lot
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of stuff there.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: But no, it does.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I had recently, I'm going to
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: say about three years ago, had gone got called up
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: to a property in North Tennessee. Now it's a little
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: way's over from where the land between the lakes is.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: It's kind of were in the middle of the state
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: in Tennessee. But we got called out to a We
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: found out it was a skinwalker cave and there's a
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: family having a bunch of I mean potential dog man
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: definitely big foot activity out there and other stuff. A
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: lot of paranormal stuff was going on. Well, it turns
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: out it wasn't until what three years later recently. My
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: buddy Bruce Brown was in the chat. Bruce was a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: police officer of law official out there. Yeah, and he
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: remembered seeing our cars out there camped out we were
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: doing that investigation. He was talking about how part of
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the well, it turns out a woman had been unalive
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: in the house on the porch. We didn't know about that. Yeah,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: we were up there investigating, but they were kind of
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the family there was kind of a target because they
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: had leveled an Indian burial mound in the front yard
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: right there. Wow, you leveled amount, Mike, like taking it
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: out and all this this cricket activity was taking place
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: out there and still taking place out there because of that.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and so you look at just that
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the part of that that went on you know, my
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: dad had some land probably ten miles west of Land
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: between the lakes. It's in a place called Wadgeboro. That
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: was Wade Creek that was purchased from the Native American
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: contingent there. You know, there was a little trade going on.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: But you look at all the cemeteries that are there
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that had been moved. People don't realize that most of
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: those cemeteries were down under what's Kentucky and Barkley Lake.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Now many of those families were moved twice. I always
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: think about the movie poulter Geist because I know there's
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: still tombstones. There's a real popular one that's still visible
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: when you get down to winter Pool in the lake.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: You can google that. But you know, we always wondered
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: did they move the graves or did they just move
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the tombstones and the headstones?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, probably probably both, right.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: That's so, I mean, there's just there's just every everything
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: you could think of that would be a reason for
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: weird stuff, including the proximity to the military base, just
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the flow of the water in the way the rivers
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: actually flow north and they go into the Ohio Mississippi
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to create a vortex. I'm telling you anything you can
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: think of that would cause some type of weirdness Land
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: between the Lakes has it?
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And you know and William Nighthawks Center. Hey, William
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: William is Lakota medicine man. And William I've actually conferred
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: with him. I've done some consulting with him before. I did,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: you know, investigations like that Skinwalker Cave investigation for instance,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: right right, But he was saying and hundred percent, Uh,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you know L B. L is not just bigfoot and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: dog man. You know your father has We'll get into
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: this story just a little bit, because your father might
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: have seen a lidgered man.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: But the but the thing that that Matt and I
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: experienced that night, and along with Martin and Barton and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Tish while it was happening for like a good hour,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you know, we were standing pretty much back to back
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: against a tree, Matt and I and we were just
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: getting surrounded and rocks were getting thrown at us, and
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and my night vision would not focus, that kept going
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: in and out. I mean, whatever it was was invisible, right,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you couldn't see it. And uh and and I questioned
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: out there, I was like, well, could this be to me?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: It felt like they came running down. You could hear
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: them running down the Indian burial man on two. You
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: can hear them come run down the other ridge line.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I mean they were they were coming off from all
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: directions and it sounded like people. Yeah, but there was
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: nothing there. And I was like, well, are Denis Bigfoot?
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Are they you know, out of our light spectrum range,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I can see them? Are they dog men? Or they
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: are they spirits of the Native Americans? Are the paramilitary
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and cloaking material?
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Right? Right?
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: So that, Mike, it was so weird because it just
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: kept going and it kept it kept lasting forever.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: It felt like, yeah, it's a you know, and that's
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: that's really something that I had to adjust to. Now.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I I had some experience with the paranormal and was
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: really well versed in that and and open to in
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: a in a believer in that. But you know, I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: took a group. Martin was down there filming a documentary
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: with one group and I was in there with the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: security team n C I, uh, you know, Jerry and
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Tim and Robert and uh and George got yeah, we
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: got into a spot. Great, guys, we got into a spot.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And I told him pay attention to your left. This
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: is where something comes down, and we'll walk beside you
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: on the other side of the creek. It's done it
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: every time I'm here, and uh, you know, they're kind
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: of like, oh, you know, they're they're into it, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: they're like, okay, we didn't get twenty yards in and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the guy called it on thermal. One of them caught
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: it on thermal, and then you could hear it and
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: it paralleled us, and that kind of took their focus.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I was in the front. I forget who was with me.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I was trying to get to where the group was.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: But they peeled off immediately because they're like, we can
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: hear it, but they couldn't see it. But you can
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: hear it plain as day. It's a that's that takes
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: a lot, you know. That's what really opened my mind
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to the to the bigfoot. I knew the one I
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: got a good sighting of it moves so quickly, so
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I was still thinking natural, you know, I think that's
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: where everybody has to start. This is a natural, undiscovered species.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And then I was thinking, well, they moved so fast.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: My eyes aren't used to tracking something that fat. But
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I was out with a friend and casting the first
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: print I ever cast, which is which is funny because
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Jeff Meldrum rest his soul. He actually analyzed the video
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: of me doing it and over email verified that that
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: was not a big foot track that we were casting.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: He said, it's a track, but it's not a big
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: foot track. So the guy that was with me, we
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: were on a little knowle and we heard something just
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: jump off, like it jumped out of the tree. We
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: felt it. You could hear the steps, and I'm like, Michael,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: we're going to see one. Let's go out. There's nothing
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: there and there was nowhere for it to hide. I mean,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you could hear and feel these footsteps like a linebacker
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: was running right below us and it's gone.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And then you're just like, oh, Mike, they didn't leave
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: us that night, like they stayed there and harassed us.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: And you know, the worst part of it, I'm gonna
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: say the worst part was like it was almost kind
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: of comforting. I know this sounds so weird coming out
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: of my mouth, but like I was okay with I
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: went there to get harassed by criptage kind of, you know,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and uh, and so that's why I go there. So
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: it was okay.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I was. It was.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: It was terrifying and it was fun at the same time.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: I also didn't know if I was going to make
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: it out of there live that night, because it was
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: very daunting and they were taunting us. And when I
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: when I went like, I kind of ran sideways over
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to my truck to go grab something to protect myself with.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Let's just say, yeah and uh in my night vision
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: when I got over there, they threw a rock right
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: in front of my truck in the lake. Yeah, and
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: so there's a big cre plump and uh. But but
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: when Matt and I were sitting there, I kept I
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: told man, I was like, you know, there is a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: man camped out down that peninsula, yes, with kids. Yeah,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And I told Matt, I said, well, at least they're
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: focused on us and not those kids over there.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, you know. Yeah, Well, I'll tell you what,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: that guy doesn't pay very much attention either. Because I
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: was coming back from fishing and he was setting and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: trolling motor up and there was no way he was
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: right there on the there was no way for me
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to get around him without going through his stuff. I
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: could have reached out and touched him. And that's when
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: he realized I was there, and I said, I'm sorry, sir,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I was just coming down from fishing. But uh, you're
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you're right. That's a good I'd forgotten about them. They
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: were they were tough back in there.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: That mean, I hate to say this, I'm not trying
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to be rude, but he had zero situational awareness I think.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: So, Okay, I'm glad you confirmed that, because he did
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: when I saw him.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know, you and I both have children, Okay,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: and I have a twelve year old son, and and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I'm very particular about where I take him to go camping,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Like I would never take him out to places that
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: are going to be dangerous, that I know will be
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: potentially dangerous, and things like that. I'll take him camping,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you know, when it's safe, but places like that, not
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: saying there are places of the lbil I will take him.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I'll take him to a cabin any day. Yeah, you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: can lock the door, might you know what I mean?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but uh but but you know, you have
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to be careful when you have children out of places
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: like that. And and maybe it's just that man was
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: not aware of the history of that place.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, he obviously not.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It got got dicey out there,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: though it got old. I was like losten by the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: end of the night, I was uh. As soon as
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: we Matt and I decided to finally turn in, he
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: went to his tent. I went to my truck. I
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: slept in the back of the truck and locked the doors. Yeah,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and by the time I did that, I knew there
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: was something looking in my truck at me. Even when
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: was uh. But I felt good being in there and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: like going to sleep that night. And Matt said, when
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: he got in his truck, he heard a wood knock
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: on top of that Indian burial man and something moved
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: his hand across his tent. See, and uh, bart Barton
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and Tish had the same thing. Something moved with their tent,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: like a hand on their tent too that night. So yeah,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: they let us out there.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Uh. That's the only thing. Probably the scariest thing for
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: me is I used to be that guy. So the
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: North South trail on the north side there, I can't
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: tell you how many nights I have hiked that and
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: slept there. And you know, on the river bank, just
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: just put a tarp up and build a fire in
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: front of me, and even with my son, have had
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: my son in some spots and we've heard the walk
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: in and we're just like, oh, it's it's a raccoon.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Basically we chalked everything up to raccoons. But now I'm like, yeah,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: as that wasn't a raccoon, and I'm just thankful, you know, something,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: something worse didn't happen to us.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I know, we're all lucky. We're all lucky to get
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: out of there in one piece. Anytime you get and well,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: let's get into your your encounter back in twenty is
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: it twenty ten? Is that when you and your family
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: had a big foot encounter out there?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Tell me what happened twenty twenty? It was May tenth
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: of twenty twenty.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Oh ten came in, Yeah, there you go, May tenth.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: To twenty twenty. Yeah, COVID was going on, and uh,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: you know I always give Charlie Raymond with Kentucky big
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Foot Research Organization came out and he has documented this.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: It's on his YouTube channel and you can actually hear
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the screams and hear the knock. They stayed overnight and
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: they got this stuff recorded. H It made me feel
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: so much better. But yeah, so we had I had
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: just gotten a boat the year before, a nice seaworthy boat,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and we'd been out on the May ninth. We've been
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: out on the main lake with and it was my
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: my family's first time out really since COVID, and we
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: just had our infant daughter, I guess in October, so
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: October novembery, you know, she's six months old, and we
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: had her a little life jacket, a little floaty, and
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: we just we'd like to get out on a on sandbars.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of sandbars out there, and so I
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: had my you know, all my daughters with me. My
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: son wasn't with us. He was already old enough and
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: moved out. And we had such a great day that Saturday,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: so we wanted to go back on the on the Sunday,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: and the lake was just rough. It was colder, it
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: was rough. So we go down to a little bay
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: where you've got to drive down a two mile road
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: to get down there. It was calm. We knew it
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: would be calm in there, but the boat ramp was
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: closed for COVID, so I had to put my boat
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: in just a little spot where they put kayaks in
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and I left it sitting in there, and we went
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: and we weren't there thirty minutes, and I could tell
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: there's the fishing is going to be terrible, and so
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: we just beached up, beached up on a little spot
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: and I built the campfire and I'm cooking hot dogs.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: My oldest daughter went down the bank. The water was
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: low enough to actually be able to fish off the bank.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: The other girl stayed in the boat, and I had
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: heard people walking, told the girls, hey, listen behind me,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: there's people walking. It would have been about a mile
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: off the North South trail. There is a trailhead on
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: that same road, and it's not unheard of for people
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: to be there, but it was odd. So we had
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: come down that road. There was nobody parked. We had
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: not seen any cars and not heard anybody come in.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: So I just heard them walking. Mentioned that to the girls.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Nothing came of it. We're getting ready to push the
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: boat off, and then my daughter asked, you know what
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: happened to them as we're loading up, and I said,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And about the time I'm ready to
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: push the boat off, we hear a knock, just like
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: on the Bigfoot shows, just a knock, and what does that? Dad?
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, you know they stay Bigfoot does that?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Let's find out. I look down, there's a stick. I
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: knocked on the little tree that the boat was tied
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: up to, and then down the bank about one hundred
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: yards we heard another knock, you know, and they all
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: look at me and I said, look, I heard people
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: up there walking earlier. There's some kids that have seen
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: these big Foot shows. They're just out. Let's go see
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: what's going on. And again Charlie catches all this. Where
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: the sun was coming through the canopy, there was just
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: a spot where you're eyes would naturally gravitate towards the spot.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: And I said, holy, there's bigfoot and they're like what.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And when I said that, that thing it stepped back
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and I start pointing and I've got to spin. I've
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: got to spin the boat around so my wife could
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: see it and I'm kind of going into the bank.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Well it ran the opposite way that the boat was going,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: but it didn't know I was going to spin it
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: in a circle. So now I'm going back this way
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: and it comes down a little gully and goes up.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I saw we range range found it. We range found
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: it when we go back and again, this is all
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: on Charlie's video. I was sixty yards away from it
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: and then thirty yards away from it, and I saw
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: its hand. I mean, I got such a great look
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: at it. It moved so fast the girls weren't ever
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: able to track it. My oldest daughter saw tree shaking,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: which we now think. I thought when I was there
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: in the moment that it was just pulling its off up,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: but I think there was two of them. And then
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: as we drifted down the bank, I'm trying to decide,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: you know, do I go fishing, do I get out
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: of here? How scared are we? You know? What what
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: just happened? You It's just kind of like shell shock,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and uh, they wanted to they wanted to go, you know,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: just going out of there. And as I hit the motor,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: it's it screamed at them, and so my ears ring
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: all the time, and I was looking away and the
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: motor was going and it was over to my left.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: But at the same time my wife and daughter go,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: what was that was a creak? Get like, get out
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: of here, And my wife actually said, get to the truck,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: get your gun, get us out of here. Because we could.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: We weren't seventy yards from the truck going across the bay,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and it could have easily come around, you know, and
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: gotten to where we were. And yeah, I got there,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: and I had a ticket on my I had a ticket.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: So the whole reason I parked there is I didn't
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: want to move the federal barrier, you know, and have
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: somebody block my access. So I left my boat in there.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And it was an unauthorized use of a motor vehicle
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: in an unauthorized space. It's three hundred and fifty something bucks.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: And I just rode on there. I saw Bigfoot on
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: the memo line.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And then but uh, get you right now, get out
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: of your ticket.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Though it did not know they cast it, and uh
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: it's you know, they don't they don't do much of that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: But what made there was finally a family was coming
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: down the road and stopped at the barrier, and for
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: whatever reason, that made my wife feel better. I mean,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: they were really really she was really, really scary because
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: that's the first time we'd heard that scream. Now, if
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: you want to hear a bigfoot scream, you need to
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: go out with my wife, because I don't know what
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: it is, but it's she's she's batting a thousand on
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: having something something yell at you. But that was, you know,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: so that was the first thing. And I came home
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and I called around and uh, say, Charlie Raymond called
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: me back at eleven o'clock at night, and because of
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: COVID he wasn't I believe it was October that he
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: was actually able to come on down and do the investigation.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: But and then I spoke at an event he had
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: there and then went on Brian king Sharp's podcast and
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: just got kind of involved. And you know, and I
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: tell people, I don't think they really want to hurt you.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I think maybe the big rogue males do that they
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: want to hurt you. And I'm not scared anymore, especially
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Bigfoot's the most benign, least scary of what's out there
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: now really in my opinion. But I definitely understand how
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: people that have had these negative sightings and get scared
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: and things haven't worked out, because it can go either way.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just glad I was. I'm thankful that my dad
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: raised me the way he did, and I've turned it
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: into a positive and my family has as well. Well.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, that all sounds pretty scary, and I could
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: understand your wife wanting to get the heck out of
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Dodge for that, and and the frustration and coming back
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: to the truck with a ticket. Yeah yeah, well it
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: makes me so mad. I'd be like, okay, but but
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't so bad because you were happy to
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: be back to your truck at that point, you know
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: They don't make it easy in Land between the Lakes.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: That map that they update that map, and it's buried
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: in layers of stuff. But be warned if you go,
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: if you go to Land between the lakes, like on
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: the side roads all even the trays, you can park
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: one vehicle length off of the trace or off of
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the roads. Any more than that they can give you
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: a ticket. There's places you can't go. So because I
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: left my boat trailer sticking in that water, that's what
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: did it. If i'd have pulled it up out of
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: the water, it would have been fine.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: But I could take it from my experience. We had
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: more than one man dressed and really really nice brand
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: new hunting gear right out of academy here somewhere. I
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: don't know where you got that, so kind up and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: they were definitely poking around asking us stuff, and we
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: were like, those are fits, those are those are game wardens,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Like we just knew. They get real nosy about what
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: people are doing there. And and I was wondering, of
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: course they're pretending to be hunters and asking us if
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: we'd had any any deer, turkeys or ducks or whatever.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they were talking about, and uh,
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: and so it's kind of funny, you know, like we
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: like to joke about that because you can tell when
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: people are just poking around trying to figure out what
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: you're doing out there. And of course Martin said, we
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: were hunting mushrooms there, you go, hunting mushrooms after me
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: and Matt just had that horrible night the night before
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: we got, you know, accosted by something out there. But
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: they are kind of nosy and it makes me kind
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: of wonder, Like, you know, they were they were pulling
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: up to one of these scariest places. I'm gonna say,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: you can camp at LBL where we were, Yes, And
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: do they know something that we're not supposed to know?
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: They do? They do? And I've got I've shared with Barton.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Actually I don't average because I'm convinced they're probably able
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: to monitor this stuff right now. I've got pictures of
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the vans of the fabled vans in Federal I actually
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: witnessed a group with a satellite communicator talking to two
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: helicopters that were circling and connecting with the ground team,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: and I've got video and stills of that. I actually
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: went to a spot. There's so many game cameras. You
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: see these game cameras. I went to a spot and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: pulled up off the road and hiked and found not
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: too far in from the road a skull about ten
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: feet up in a tree, a deer skull placed up
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: in a tree. Took pictures of it. Went back the
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: next weekend and there were signs up unauthorized vehicle access only,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: do not enter. And I've got there's a spot where
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I don't share it because it'd be easy to find,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I've got I'm real open and honest with people.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I tell people I'll come take you out. I don't.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: There's a couple spots I don't tell people about for
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: two reasons, their safety and because the bigfoot there. I
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: think I've got a range where there's where the juveniles
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: are where they may be family groups living, and I
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: don't want a bunch of yahoos running through their knocking
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: and calling out of respect for them. Other than that,
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I take people into all these places and share this stuff.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: And there's a spot where very heavily monitored with game cams.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Now here's the excuse. It is one of the spots
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: that the backside of the bay closes. There's multiple of
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: these in land between the lakes. They close from November
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: through March for migratory birds to not be interrupted and
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: not be hunted. But they conveniently you'll find these game
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: cams and they'll be piles of turtle shells, like ripped
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: apart eating turtle shells under these in these areas, like
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: something's been sitting on a log eating turtles and they
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: they want to monitor it. Yeah, so you know, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I've got friends I won't I won't disclose their names.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Very credible people that have picked up radio waves and
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: different types of magnetism associated with cameras and monitoring devices.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: But you can't ever find them mm hm. But you
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: can take that stuff up everywhere, but you can't see
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: where it's coming from. So yes, they're they're monitoring heavily
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: what's going on there.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're definitely monitoring. Mark Martin put in the chat
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: he said that that was that that he had a
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: radio in his truck. I mean, you know a lot
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: of the guys, you know, I go out in one
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: of big foot field researchers that are you know, we're
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: all into the survival of stuff. We got ham radios
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: and all that, you know, so we always keep an
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: eye out for, you know, fellow researchers and people with
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: the same equipment that we have and stuff. But you
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: guys know, this was somebody that was just poking around
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: trying to find out what we were doing out there.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: And so and you know, of course, like that mound
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: that we were camped out by, Martin says, hey Martin,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: because that was a temple mound with smaller burial mounds
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: around us. Yes, and so it was a mound and
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it's not Mark. So people would not know that, if
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: they didn't if they didn't.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: Know that, Nope, No, I was fortunate enough. So my
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: mom was the assistant dean of the College of Humanities
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: and Fine Arts at Murray State. So that's all your sociology, English,
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: all the gen edge stuff. But she was friends with
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: a gentleman who's passed away. His name was Kit Westler,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: and he was actually in charge of the excavation of
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Wickliffe Mounds for Murray State. And I had found some
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: artifacts of the old Wadesboro community on my dad's place
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: and I went. I got to know him through that
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: because he always said, if he was not so busy
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: with Wickliff, he would love to rediscover Waysboro. Because he
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: shared this with me before they crossed the Mississippi to
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Saint Louis in Wagesboro, in a little courthouse that is
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: actually now sitting in the Murray City Park in Murray, Kentucky.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: That was where most of the land grants for people
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: going west on the Oregon Trail were actually issued at
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: this little town, just this little town called Waysboro. My
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: dad just used to happen to own that property. But
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: so I got in talking to Kit, I actually was
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: He had pictures and stuff all over, you know. But
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: if you look, that's where I'm going with this. I ramble.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: Sometimes if you just study existing known mounds and the
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: common shapes, the serpent mounds, the hills, the temple mounds,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: and then you start walking around land between the lakes.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: It's not a big stretch. It's not a big stretch
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: to realize what there or was there.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're They're everywhere. And it's not just the mounts.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: There are regular cemeteries, yes, grave markers, and I know
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: a maunt took us out to what he calls the
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Witch's Cemetery. That was wild. That was the last night
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I was out there. And I was hearing clicking in
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: the woods and yeah, just it was a it was
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: a bad feeling out there. I was not I wasn't
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a fan of that. Yeah, maybe pelle crawlers or something.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. I never heard clicking
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know. You know. I had done some
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: uh well, actually my first real dog man experience or
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: something was after I had done the the documentary. So
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: I had my son with me, but i'd gone out
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: with Charlie Raymond again and and I'm sensitive, you know,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: you know, I've shared that, and so I had I
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: was out. It's just me and Charlie and we're sitting
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: in a cemetery and I'll share it. It's Pinnager Cemetery
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: and we're sitting there because it's a good it's an
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: active you know, Sasquatch area. And behind me, I see
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: this shadow person and so I tell Charlie, I'm like,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: there's something behind us, and he said, you know bigfoot.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I said, well, you're getting we're getting to know each other.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sensitive there's something paranormal behind us. We walked back
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: there and coincidentally, this was the only tombstone and it
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: said our banister murdered on it. It had been cracked
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: all the way through. We come to find out this
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: gentleman was shot in the back of the head in
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: the thirties through his window while he was eating. And
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: so Charlie's looking at me like, Okay, the only weird
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: tombstone in this place is right where you coincidentally said
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: you saw something. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just like that.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: So I took my son back the next weekend, and
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I took my little K two meter because I had
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: had an experience in Waverley Hills several years ago and
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: had kind of gotten into the paranormal stuff. And this dude,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: he'll talk to you if it's him, he'll light up
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: your K two meter until you start asking him about
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: being shot and then he ghosts you hunt punt intended.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: So we're we're walking. We're in that cemetery looking at
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: other stuff, and there's a fence around it, and so
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: we hear this growling and walking my son and I
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: do and he looks at me and I'm like, all right,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: we know this weird stuff. I say, let's just stay
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: in the cemetery. And we walked to the back and
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: the growling is now at the back. So we come
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: back up to the front and go out the gate,
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: and now on the other side of us, we hear
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: the growling again. So we cut back across to go
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: to our truck. And when we heard the growling behind
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: my truck again where it originally was, he got in
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: the driver's side door. I said, Marcus, get in this
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: truck route. And so I didn't know at the time
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: if that was just a bigfoot would do that or what.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: But now that I've I've gone through the experiences I have,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure there was a dog man walking around
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: that cemetery.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: You know, the dog men are known to protect, I
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: should say protect, huh, lurk around, say lurk around cemeteries.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: And so that's one of the things that I think
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: would be one of the main reasons they're out there.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I think, well, but then again, there's also a lot
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: of occult activity. I don't know if you've ever noticed that. So,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: I know you mentioned the deer skull that was up
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: in a tree at least six feet off the ground.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've gone out there, I've been told, I
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: haven't seen. I've only been out there three times. I
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: haven't seen the whole area, but I've heard there's a
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: lot of like witchcraft going on out there, maybe Satanists
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: doing rituals and things like that. It's pretty rampant out there,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: So I could it be connected to like were wolf
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: activity or I don't know what.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: In the eighties, so one of my my ex girlfriend
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: was a practicing wickan in in nineteen eighty nine, and
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: so the Vampire Hotel, this is something I contributed to
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: one of the documentaries as well. I knew Rod Ferrell,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: and they called that place the vampire Hotel because him
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: and his group used to go up there and do
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: the stuff they did and sacrifice animals and kittens mostly.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: But the reason they went there is because that was
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the established spot for that. And I can't tell you
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: how many times. And this again, one of the first
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: places they took me was it used to have two
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: stories and some rooms and stuff, and right after Rod
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Ferrell became popular and all that happened, they actually leveled
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: it and took the access away. But we would see
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: pentagrams and the Burke candles and what appeared to be blood.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: You'd find bones. You never knew which ones were probably
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: just kids trying to play the part. But again, I
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: know there was actually real witchcraft going on there in
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: multiple because we saw so much of it. So yeah,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: and I have to assume that's still going on, maybe
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: on a lesser scale, but who knows.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Barton and Letitia, Leticia and Matt took me
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to uh, the not the Vampire most I guess it's
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Hotel California, which is different from understanding, right, yes it
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: is not. That place was interesting too, that has not
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: been leveled yet. But it had a really eerie energy
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: to it out there, and you know, of course it's
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: covered in graffiti. There were there were targets all over
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: the walls where people somebody been out there shooting targets.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: At the wall.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just a weird film. That whole place
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: is a very strange vibe.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: That whole see that's up you know, the Mumbers is
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: not too far from there, that whole area. I don't
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: go up there much. I've been up there once just
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: to say I was there. There's a Saint Stephen's Church
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: is up there, which is a really neat place. There's
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: some peaceful there's some peaceful feeling places up there, but
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: it's surrounded by you always go through just the eerie,
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: heavy Like I said, that's the spot I don't I've
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: got this is. This is the whole place mapped out
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: here on back behind me. I don't go up there much.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: And Martin drags me up there. You all dragged me
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: up there when you were you know, camping and stuff.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: But if it's up to me, I stay where the
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: nice stuff is, preferably in my boat.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Man, I'll go. I'll go in the middle of all
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: the crazy stuff. I don't know. That's why I don't
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: drive six hours for nothing. I better get up there.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm only out with Martin and Marton. Man, they're
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: gonna put me right in the middle of the danger zone.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm they are actually Martin's just said, dank you, Martin.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: He's still in here. He says at least three different
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: covens operate in that area currently in the area. I'm
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: sure that's like which covens, I guess, or like con Yeah, yeah,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: oh okay, well I've heard some stories. Okay, I've definitely
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: heard some stories, and and so I just I think
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: we should factor that into with like some of this
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the were wolves sightings and stuff. I mean, I'm not
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: convinced that some of these attacks that happened weren't were wolves,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: you know, weren't a dog man. I'm thinking were wolves, Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, but you you've you and Martin saw some
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: kind of dog man recently, right, I mean I have
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: a you made a drawing, and I know our friend
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: Marton None has done some wonderful drawings of one of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: the crypts that have been cited around Land between the
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Lakes and all over that part of Kentucky. But you
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: you did what I do. Anytime I have a sighting
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: or an encounter, I draw it, yep, and I do
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: it immediately, so I don't forget what I saw, that's right,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: And you did the same, tell me about what happened with.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: You and Martin oh Man, and see this is this
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: is one of those things. You know, I've tell people.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I've been zapped before, but my buddies,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know, if any of them are on here
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: from high school, they're shocked at the amount of stuff
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I remember, you know, playing practical jokes on people at
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: the restaurant when I was sixteen, and they don't remember it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: I pride myself on my recall. I still have trouble
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: remembering and ordering the sequence of events that occurred when
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: Martin and Ray. There was another guy with us, Big Ray,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: but you know, so the order that they happened, because
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: it just felt like something was I don't know, but
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I would call it a werewolf. I don't get into
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: the technicalities of the different types of dog men. And
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: what I saw looked like your stereotypical if you've seen
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: the movie Underworld, yes you've seen the Underworld series. What
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I saw was a misty shadowy version a mist turned
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: into a werewolf shape and then walked into a tree
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: and disappeared. And it was weird about it. I didn't
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: share it with the guys, and then Martin saw something
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: over there where it was going, saw a fully formed
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: one and then these two screams and howls that came
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: out at us, and we had had the coyotes coming over.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: And the cool thing about this experience for me and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: I was scared to death. I'll just say I put
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: my gun in my pocket and had my hand on it.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I was one handed trying to put this fire out
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: and get out of there. But we had right there.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: If we'd have had a recorder going, you heard a
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: big foot scream that basically I think saved us and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: calmed everything down. But you had the coyotes, clear as
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: day coyotes. Then you had these two howls that were
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: just I mean it was I used the term American
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: werewolf in London stuff. That's two of them, and then
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: more cooties. And then I think the sasquatch that we
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: saw actually in the lights of the truck that was
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: coming up the road. But yeah, So to answer what
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: I saw, We're sitting there and Martin knew this place
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: and had a history of this. He didn't tell me
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: that it caused it was the only it was the
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: only place we could get out of the wind the
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: whole day. That wind was so terrible, and we I'm
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: a soccer coach and for Kentucky for high school, and
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: I've done it. I'm in my twenty sixth year overall,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: twenty first year as a head coach. So basically, from
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: July through October, I'm twelve and fourteen hour days for work.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: But then mid October and then through March, I'm in
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: the woods as much as I can be. When March
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: hits and it warms up, then I'm in my boat
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: all the way through June. But Martin and I don't
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: get to see each other much during this time. I mean,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: we hadn't got to see each other much. So He's like, Man,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: just me and you were always taking people places, both
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: of us. We want to make people aware. We want
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: to share this stuff, and we hardly ever say no
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: to anybody. But then he and I both have done
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: a lot just alone, you know, we like our long time,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: and then we certainly like to be together. So man,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: we get into this spot and it was so cool,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: and we built a little fire and the wind was
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: blowing off and I had already told him I thought
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: maybe something was watching us behind him because I had
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: been looking at him he was to my left and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: not being able to see through the trees. And then
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: at some point there was a big bunch of light
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: where I had not been seeing light for the last
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes, and I realized something might have been standing
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: there blocking the light. And yeah, so you know, I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: had shared that with him. And it was just getting
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: starting to get dust. And the smoke from the fire
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: was blowing off to my left and I look up
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: and as a big puff of smoke was blowing this mist.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm talking thirty feet behind thirty feet most
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: this mist, and I'm thinking, how is that smoke going
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: against the wind from this fire? And then it forms
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: into the drawing I made arms head tail. It forms
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: into this form, and so that's the that's the bigfoot
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: we saw earlier. It forms into this form and then
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: walks into a tree. And I didn't send it to you, Jessica.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I drew a picture of that, and I should have.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I should have sent it to you. But it walked
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: into a tree.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: It walked into a tree.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: It disappeared. We get that a lot, Mike, and I, yes,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I had heard that, and I still try to stay
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: a little skeptical, just to ground myself. And I remember
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: watching a video of a guy that was for that
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: was talking to What he was saying was a sasquatch
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: coming out of a tree, and it kind of looked
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: like the Predator if you've seen the Predator, where the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: predator's cloaking. I could see where the tree was moving,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, maybe this guy is seeing what he's seeing,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: but I just never believed it until you know, and
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: now I've seen what I've seen there. There's a new
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: friend of mine I met up at the at the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Golden Pond at the Distillery, and I won't mention his name.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I have permission to do that,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: but he showed me a thermal image of of what
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: has to be a portal in a tree. It's one
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: of the coolest things I've ever seen.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: I met him too.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he hit her at this man and very
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: close in timing and proximity the way I understand it.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: So yes, it walked into and Martin always told me
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: that we got to know each other and through the
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: small town monsters dock we were both on and then
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: we talked to each other, probably more at the monster
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: fest they had. And I love old trees, and I
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: noticed sometimes patterns of trees and the big ones that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: haven't been logged, I call them old girls. I love
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: cedar trees, like cedar. That's I just love them. Cedar trees.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: You represent so much. They're they're so hearty, you can
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: survive under them. They're just so much stuff that's good
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: about a cedar tree. And in sharing that with Martin,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: he's like, well, you know that's they go into the trees.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, come on, man, really I didn't
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: doubt it, but I'm like, now I've seen it. They
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: go into the trees.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, they do the trees. There's a definite connection
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: with the trees.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: The first time I ever got zapped was in Alabama
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and H and I got zapp was about a year
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: or two ago, I guess about a year ago. We
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: were doing a little dog man investigation out there and
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: uh and we and when my buddy Keith and I
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Ki is a longtime field research friend of mine and
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: he's a one life biologist by profet, well former profession
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: and uh and so he and I were walking up
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: the trail and going up to this top field at
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: this location in Alabama and where there's been a lot
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: of dog man activity, a lot of bigfoot activity. And
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: we got up to the top of this hill and
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: we got up there.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: He had his thermal out and he was looking. He
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: was like, Jess, there's this really hot spot on these
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: two trees right here, and and he was like, what
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: what could that be because it's not where this the
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: sun had not gone down in that direction. Like it
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: was almost like something had been leaning on those trees.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: And this is the middle of the night, by the way,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: something had been leaning on both of those trees or
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: there was something else going on there.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: And so we got up there and then we realized
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: that one of one of the guys that was with
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: is Harley. Harley Owens had gotten sacked. Yeah, and about
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say about ten minutes after Harley had gotten zap,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: I got zapped. And when I got zapped twice that night,
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I got really sick. And a tree got knocked down
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: in our camp and all that. But but we were
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: we were thinking like something might have come out of
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: those trees. Yeah, right there, that might have been like
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: a portal.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Or something absolutely, you know, and I always tried to
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: think of like going into the trees, like you meant
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: it walked into the thicket. No, it walked into the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: physical trunk of the tree and disappeared. You know.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's well, you know, there's there's a cryptid. I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: just covered this a couple of weeks ago. It's called
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the woods the wood devil, okay, And when people people
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: describe these wood devils, they're mostly around like New Hampshire
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: and New England on the east coast. Yeah, and they
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: say they look like they're kind of like a really
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: skinny bigfoot. But they blend into the trees and that's
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: almost like they become trees. They stand there and people
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: think they are trees. It's just kind of weird, okay,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: But there's definitely some kind of connection. I mean, I've
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: got a friend on my team, Tony Green. Tony's been
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: on the show. He said that his uncle was running
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: from the cops a long time ago. I think they
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: live in Georgia because he's from Georgia. But the cops
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: showed op at his house. He took off running. He
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: went behind a tree and he came out the other
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: side was a dog. And ran off in the woods.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: So they were harnessing whatever was I don't know if
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: it's some kind of voodoo thing or black magic or what,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: but he said when the cops left, the dog trotted
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: out of the woods, went behind that same tree, and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: his uncle came out the other side. Holy, yeah, something
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: with the trees might yep, yeah, I don't know. Yeahow,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: it's magical.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Also, I just had another report of a woman here
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: not too far from where I live. She was talking
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: about and I haven't investigated this yet, but she just
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: saw recently a shape shifter that it was like a
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: deer that turned into a dog that actually turned into
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: a man. And she said, I don't know if the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: doorway was in a tree, but it was right at
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: some trees. She said that he turned a door, opened
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: a door and walked in it. There's no door there usually,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: but it's just it's just weird. I think it's supported
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: trees or portals.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, Well, you know, I've shared one of
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the things that Brian king Sharp asked me about and
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: and I had not shared with anybody ever since I've
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: had these experiences. We've got some stuff going on on
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: our property now. Every once in a while, usually coincides
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: with my visits, with my visits over there. But they're leaving,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: leaving stick structures and things. I've heard knocks, I've seen
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: some some weird stuff, and so my place is already haunted.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: I've got a Revolutionary War soldier buried in my backyard
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: and yeah, and his whole family. We actually named my
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: youngest daughter after a thirteen month old girl that that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: passed away, that's buried back in the cemetery. So we're
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: we're at peace with them. And it's it's not a
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: it's not of bad haunting or anything like that. But
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: this is something different. And I know they're not walking
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: down Highway sixty eight eighty to get over here, you know.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: I mean i've seen lights and orbs. You know, you
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: get into that and you realize, I don't know, I
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: don't know. But I've got a lot of cedars. So
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: when I had to clear this land, I've got five
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: acres and I cleared a good acre a little over
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: an acre of trees and stuff, and I left every
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: cedar I could leave, So it's in a cedar grove.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Well, Mike, you know what I used to have some
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: cedar beaded necklaces. And I met them from a Native
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: American shop in Atlanta, and I remember, I just love
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: the way they look. I used to wear them all
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: the time. I ended up selling all my beads on
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: my shop. I have a jewelry shop. But I ended
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: up selling them because I thought, you know, I've worn
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: these enough, it's time to pass them on to someone else.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: But they're made of ceedar beans. Now you know what
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: those are called. They're called ghost beads, and they protect you.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: They protect you against ghosts and evil spirits.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: You didn't made that connection.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that that that was the thing. Now,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: you know. I always had like a cedar like a cross.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I've got one somewhere, and I would make little crosses
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: and things out of the cedar for that purpose because
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: I knew they were protective. But I didn't know the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: are you talking about like the little the little round
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: things that come off of the cedar tree.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: I guess so they call them cedar beads.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: I really regretted selling mine because I was like, man,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: now I need them, you know a lot more now
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: than I did Yeah, as soon as you said you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: were into cedar, you love cedar trees, I thought about that.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I was like, man, there's got to be a connection
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: because yeahed cedar beads come from the cedar trees and
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: that's what people wear to protect against evil spirits.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, my dad always made me sort
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: of you know, learned how to survive. And you know,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: a cedar tree you get in a cedar grove, it's
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: actually warmer. You can get and a cedar grove and
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: it'll be warmer than the end. Then the temperature around
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: you provides shelter from snow, rain, things like that. The
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: wood burns when it's wet. Its very easy to get
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: a fire started. Even with wet cedar wood, the sap
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: comes out as a fire starter. Then he would share
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: with me just the protective energies of it and how
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: the Native Americans thought that that had some kind of power.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna add that to my the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: ghost beads, now, that's cool.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if I find something, I'll send them to you. Okay, awesome, Awesome,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: I love those. Okay, So you you've got paranormal activity
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: going on at your house too, and well, okay, what
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: what okay did we did? We go in all the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: way on this dog man that you and Martin saw
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: like that that was that was pretty scary, right, was
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: that it was like a misty, misty dog man or
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: something kind of yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: And then then Martin then when Martin said, when Martin said, okay, guys,
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: I see one. It's coming this way. It's over there,
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: it's right out of the campfirelight, that's when I shared
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: what I had seen. Then we start hearing the walking
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: and the growls, and then stuff starts getting thrown at
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: us at his car, and uh no, it was I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: was just one thousand percent ready to get out of there,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: and we and we did. Now you know, and I
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: knew he had been talking about so my friend Ray
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: had gotten there, had gotten a big flashlight, one of
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: those thousand lumen light up the world. And it was funny.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Martin specifically said, okay, please don't turn that on because
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: that that can antagonize things. He kind of knew something
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: was there before we did. What was funny about it.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: He got over to the truck and he said, then
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I hear him say, hey, Ray,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: light this place up, so he specifically we needed the
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: light and we needed to do something to hold him off. Yeah,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, like I said, I don't like
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: talking about it. I don't like I have well remembering it.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: I've just it's the only time i've really and I
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: don't think a gun would have done anything. It made
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: me feel better, but I mean, and I explained to people,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: the biggest issue was when I was building the fire,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: and I'm a former firefighter, so I am not catching
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: the woods on fire, and there was no water source around,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: and when I went down into the grove to get
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: some cedar to help start the fire, it was wet.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: I found a big washtub and when I pulled it,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: there's a big pile of dirt under it. And so
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: I had told Martin, I'm not gonna build this fire
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: very big, and when we get ready to go, I'm
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: going to fill that washtub up with dirt, put this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: dirt on it, and cover the fire up. Because we
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: were just in the middle of a thicket and leaves, well,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: that's that's where the dog man was. And so now
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: we're empty and water bottles, we're going back and forth,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: empty and canteen soda cans, anything we can to get
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: this fire out. I'm like, I'm not going down there,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm going down there to let the Maybe
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: I would let the place burn, I don't know. But
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: we got the we got the fire out, and like
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: I say, we got out of there, and then I
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: got followed home that night. I got followed home by
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: law enforcement.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: So y'all, yeah, tell me about that. What happened all
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: the way to where you live?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, So what happened was earlier we started here,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: and Martin and I started here and shooting. When we
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: pulled into this place, blocking the road was a four
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: door silver grayish pickup truck and very brash to block
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: the road. But the duck season was in and it
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: was probably a quarter mile to half a mile on
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: down there to a bay. We start hearing shooting, and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: I mean booming shooting, and so we're already like, what's
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: going on down there? We heard the helicopters. They were
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: doing the hog eradication that they say they're doing, but
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: you know, I've there's no way, there's no way. What
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: we were discussing was how many hunters are down there hunting?
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Because to shoot that many rounds that fast. You know,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: you can only have three shotgun shelves in your shotgun
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: when you're hunting. There was just no chance. It would
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: have taken twenty duck hunters to be down there to
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: replicate this amount. And we had heard that multiple times.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: So the drawing you showed in fact, as we were
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: we were getting packed up, that truck came up the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: road and that's when we saw the bigfoot at the field.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: So that's what I saw. I drew what I saw.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: When I looked over to my right, we saw the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: Sashquatch running again into the cedar grow So what we
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: think happened was there was a kill team. They were
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: down there, probably killing some dog men or a rogue bigfoot.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: We think they pushed up into where we were and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: they were really mad at us. I think the Sasquatch
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: was roaring at them to say, look, there's still a
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: helicopter and some government guys that just killed a couple
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: of your buddies here. If you go after these people,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: they're gonna come down on us. Just chill out. That's
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: really what I think happened. When I got out, I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: got on the road and put aspects by that when
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: I had taken the NCI guys out, we walked all
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: around this place we were at, and sitting in the
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: back of this field was a brand new white Chevrolet
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: pickup truck, four door, tinted windows, black antennas on it, unmarked,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: not a poacher's vehicle. Something going on. So back to
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: that night. I finally get out on the road and
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: I noticed this truck coming up on me, and it's funny.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: I drive my jeep really really slow. Everybody passes me
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: jeep wrangler, and so it comes up on me. But
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: then it stops and it followed me all the way
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: in the cadies and then it was welded area. It
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: goes off into five Star and it was a white,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: unmarked four door Chevrolet, tended windows, and almost the exact
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: truck I had seen a few weeks ago before. Didn't
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: think much of it. I just thought maybe he just
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: wanted to dride my butt, maybe like my jeep. I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: get into Wendy's. I come out of Wendy's and a
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: state trooper immediately gets on me. I go under I
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: twenty four. The state trooper pulls off to where they
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: usually get people, where they usually sit, and I thought, okay,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: cool that happens, that's not true. And then again here
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: comes another vehicle coming up right beside me, within five
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: miles of my house is a Forest Service, Federal Forest
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Service law enforcement truck, and they got right beside me,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: slowed down to let me know it was there, got
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: in front of me. I do have a picture of
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: fuzzy tail. There's no chance. I was getting my phone
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: out and getting a ticket. But when it got by me,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: I got one picture and then it never got out
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: of my sight, and then I turned off to go
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: to my house.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: So oh, yeah, ooh, that sucks. As my son says,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: that's sucks right there. Yeah, that's why there's no reason.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you were not on any kind you were
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: not in a national forest, you were not in a park.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: You're in Katie's Okay, And I know exactly what we
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: were talking about. I've gone there enough to know that
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: place like the back of my hand and down. It's
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: not very big, but U but there's no reason for
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: them to followed you like that that far and let
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: us there was a reason.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Well, and what's funny is so I actually called Martin
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: and then he reminded me of before we had gotten
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: to this spot. We had been up there. We met
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: at the Hunter check station. You get cell phone service there.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: I think we had done a phone interview or something together.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: And it's right there. There's a the visitor center. There,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: there's a there's some cabins that I guess the federal
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: employees used. So we had been seeing a lot of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: law enforcement presence, but we weren't really they were doing
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: prescribed burns, they were doing the hag eradication, and we
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: were there close to the visitor center. But at one
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: point he called me and he said, Hey, did you
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: see that that Forest service guy almost hit me? He
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: was behind me in his suburban. I said no, and
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: he said, I think he was looking back. I forget
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: the law enforcement term he told me. He said he
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: was checking your license plate. He was trying to look
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: back and see your license plate. And he used some term.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: I don't remember it, and I said I didn't catch it. So,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, he had noticed hours earlier that they
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: were interested in my jeep. I don't I don't know why.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not causing any trouble.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, But anyways, I don't think we are.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: We don't think we're out there causing any trouble. We're
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: out there. That's why, I mean, we get a lot
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: of attention. I've only been out there three times personally,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: and the amount of attention that we got out there
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: that second time, right the weekend that I met you,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: when you came out there, there's a lot of attention.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of people were driving down that way. You
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: know that's a dead end, yeah, where we were, and
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: of course there is a great campus spot for the
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: for the Norman Okay, for the normies, I guess until
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: until you know, by the way, it happened the second
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: night too, so it was like the first night we
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: were there, we got ambushed. The second night, I was
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: so tired, I went to bed at midnight. By two am, Anna,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Kevin Barton, Tish, Matt they got they got ambushed again
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: right on the dot at two am. Wow, not as
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: bad as me and Matt got ambushed, but it was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: still a little ambushed. Nice yeah, but but the amount
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: of attention was a little concerning of all the people
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: coming down and the people just getting out of their
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: trucks wanting to come talk to us and stuff. That's
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: you know, it's normal. I go out in the woods
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: a lot. It's normal for a park ranger to drive
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: up and just say hey, and it's okay. We were
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: very nice to everybody. Yeah, you know, it's it's not uncommon,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: but we did get a lot of attention there though.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: And and you said kill Team. Okay, that's something that
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: comes up occasionally on my shows. And we've we've had teammates,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: let's just say my teammates have been out in the
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: woods and North Carolina, let's just give that for instance,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: North Carolina. They were up there several years ago and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: there were men coming out of the woods with full
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Swat team uniforms on, with their eight rs and whatever
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: kind of other weapons they had on them. Yeah, and
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: the guys were like, what are y'all doing out here?
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: And they said, we're doing the same thing y'all are doing, right,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: and they they're out there looking for bigfoot and stuff.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: I guess, but like, I just thought that was weird. Okay, Yeah,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: so I think I'm sure it happens. We hear a
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: lot of all that kind of stuff.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. I have found and this
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: is the first time I've shared this, and there's probably
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: there's probably people that will have had this. I guarantee
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: you there's some duck hunters, So you get a lot
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: of people that walk into duck hunt, So you really
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: find a lot of shotgun shells. You find a lot
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: of shotgun shells. They squirrel hunt, they rabbit hunt, they
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: bird hunt, they duck hunt. But with the exception of
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: the range, the actual gun range in LBL, I have
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: found on the on the bank of the river many
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: times piles of semi automatic firearm, high powered rifle, different
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: cartridges two two, three most of the time. So that's
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: you'r AR fifteen and and you just wonder, you know,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: you just why somebody said that's not the place you
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: would go to target shoot only I.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: Would joke around by the way that I would be
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: if listening, if I ever disappeared, you will find a
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: pile of brass.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm with you. You know there's a small window
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: where you can carry center fire stuff. It's February, the
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: month of February. You can carry center fire weapons to
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: hunt coyoties and stuff with a very small window. And
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: in the brass I found was not that old, and
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: it was not February, So you know, I don't know,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, David was there when that happened. David
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: Party is my buddy up in North Carolina. He does
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of research around the u UR area in
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: the u National Force. He said they were in full
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: battle rattle battlet, battle regalia, the works. Yeah, he was there.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: I think him and Bob. I think Bob told me
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: about that, Grumpy But anyways, Yeah, they're they're out there.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: They're potentially doing uh you know, military drills out there.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: They could be having killed teams.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: I am.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: I fully believe they're out there. They're fully aware of
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: the men and the bigfoots. I mean, we've had eyewitnesses.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: I've had people that come on my show talking about
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: these dog man breeding programs and were wolf breeding programs.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Brother than they people swear they've been a part of
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: this stuff and it happens, and that our military utilizes them.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: Well when we were out there, the last time I
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: was there, we were driving out to that Witch's cemetery
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: and it was like three o'clock in the morning, it
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: was so late. Something through something at our truck, at
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: Matt's truck. Yeah, while we were driving down the road.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: We were hearing men screaming and moaning in the woods.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: It was just weird, right, and we started noticing that
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: there were like military m I'm gonna say military, but
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: it was like some kind of water containers and stuff
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: were like kind of strategically placed around there, like they
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: were doing some kind of maybe kind of military exercises
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: or something, uh in the woods, and it kind of
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: you know, that's not common for national parks and stuff
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: like that, but I think I think some of the
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: guys got out and checked and they had like it's
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: like gatorade or something, you know, out there, and it
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: kind of made us wonder, like, what kind of exercises
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: are they doing out here?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows, But like I said, I've got there.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: They're there and they do it and it's more common
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: than a and it's actually a great place if you're
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: trying to do things discreetly, and you know, the major
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: special operations hubs really as far as Airborne goes or
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Fort Bragg and Fort Campbell. I think there's some stuff
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: that goes on in Fort Benning, Georgia, but but Fort
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Campbell is a is a major special operations and that's
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: where you're going to get the discrete incognito. What better
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: place to practice that than than LBL that has a
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: lot of tourists and a lot of things. So I
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: think they're they're there more than we think.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of appetizers for them to
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, was kidding a lot of food, you know.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: And that's that's one thing that I really get. I
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: kind of get upset about because we have all these
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: missing people across our national parks and other places, just
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: missing people that go missing and not a trace is
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: ever found of Some of these people just vanished in
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: the thin air. And my team, one of my teams
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: has video evidence of a portal and teammates sent into
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: this portal and they their heat signatures disappear. Will it
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: kind of looks like an apparition, but they call it
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: a portal. They disappeared and then they walked out of
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: it and their heat signatures reappeared. And this isn't a
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: national park, okay, And it made us wonder. Both of
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: those teammates have died. Actually, there is some speculation that
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: it might have had something to do with the radiation
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: what they experienced out there. But are these people just
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: like walking into portals and stuff out there too, and
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: it is the military or the government or some agency
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: involved in that. I don't know.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny that I actually got to watching
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Barton's channel because I thought he was into arrowhead hunting.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: And I don't know that I'm giving anything away for
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: people that have seen him, but he would he would
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: start a lot of his videos with just them walking
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: the creeks, and then all of a sudden he would
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: plug in with a story he had heard and or
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: somebody had contacted him with and he would share that,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: and one of them was about the underground, the tunnels
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: and things that run underland between the lakes and under
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: both lakes, and I have experienced one of the places
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: that is. And then in Calloway County, the legend was
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: if you went down here, and I think they've since
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: closed it, I would have to double check, but if
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: you went down here, you would quickly see a black
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: suburban and people asking you what you were doing. And
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: I have witnessed that. I've been coming out of this place,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: me and my son because I thought it would be
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: a good fishing spot, and met the black suburban coming
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: down and then had them follow me out I used
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: to live. I used to live out there. There were
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: already tunnels that were part of the underground railroad. There's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: one that's visible still in a place called Blood River
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: at summer or at winter pool when the water gets
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: low and there's a house that I forget. It's probably
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably a good half a mile that
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: you know that there's places in this ground that are
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: very conducive to tunneling, so that you know, I hear
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: in Barton's story, and I'd always heard that, and then
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I have shared there's something going on under
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: that lake. I've hit something in my boat. I see
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: the Roague waves and the disturbances. There's something going on
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: underneath that lake that's causing the water to be disturbed.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: You know. I don't know that. The rumor was that
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: there's a place in Callaway County that you can actually
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: park and hear the trucks going under there, and that's
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: why those SUVs show up and run you off, because
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: you can hear what's going on under the ground. I
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: had never personally heard that, but it wouldn't shock me
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: a bit.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Well, Mike, every place that I've investigated, pretty much, I
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: think there's an underground base or something. Yeah, and even
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: that spot. There was a residential area in North Tennessee
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: up in Whitleyville. The couple that lived there who was
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: having all this cryptid activity on their property and their
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: neighbors were having cryptid activity and paranormal activity. They said
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: their bed would shake at night because it felt like
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: a train was going under their house. Yeah, and so
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: there's all sorts. And that's not like chop taw Land
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: out there by the way, but there's definitely some kind
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: of military presence. Now, my good friend who passed away
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: several months ago recently, Mark Maychik, used to come on
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: the show with me all the time. He's known by
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: many as Cryptoville uh here on YouTube and stuff. But
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Mark Mark would tell me things about he did a
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: lot of research of the LBL and he was talking
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: about seeing UFOs coming in and out of that lake.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's I tell you what we saw. And Martin
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: got the best view of this. But thankfully, you know,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: I'm part of well, we started a group, me and
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: a bunch of my friends. We kind of we all
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: co founded Elizabeth Sparks came up with the idea and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: we just ran with it, a bunch of us that
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: would go out with different groups and expeditions. We found
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: ourselves just getting together in the fall and started a
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: group chat and and we it's it's so awesome, but
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: we're like, we need a name and stuff. So we
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: kind of came up with what we call the Pathfinders,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: and we just we're we're really between October and March.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: We're really active, and we invited other groups in and
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: we've actually gone out on a mission and done some
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: We do some coordinated stuff where we'll take a mile
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: or two radius and it's really a neat thing that
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: we do. But in being there in Colson Hollow one night,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: the sky just lit up over us, and there's no
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: real explanation for it. We tried to I saw the flash.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: The flash probably lit up four or five miles. It
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: was unreal. Martin actually was the only one sitting where
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: he could see that. I believe he was talking about.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: It was coming up and then in and then down.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a meteor, It wasn't it wasn't anything. It
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: was incredible, and we've seen these. My sons actually got
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: a got a video somewhere unless he deleted it even
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: at my property of a ball of light coming, stopping
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: and then just shooting off really really low, not way
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: up in the stars. So you know, who knows what's
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: going on? Again, the military base is right there. But
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: I have heard stories about that stuff, and I've seen
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: the orbs. You see the orbs all the time. I've
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: never seen one personally come out of the water, but
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: I know there's something going on under the water. I'll
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: tell you that.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I personally okay, because I do a
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: lot of research at these national parks and stuff, and
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: I'm actually very close to Fort Benning down in Columbus, Georgia.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: One of my research areas is called the we call
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: it the Troop Herd Corridor, and there's a lot of
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: dog man activity down there, a lot of bigfoot activity.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: My son saw his first bigfoot down there by the way. Okay,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: but it's but it's also known for their mass alien
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: abductions that have military involvement, Okay, And I do a
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: lot of us do believe there's something. There's something going on.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: There's some connection, yes, the military bases, and it seems
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: as though there are a lot of big lakes and
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of these national parks. There are a lot
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: of man made lakes. They're man made. Okay, that was
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: a flooded out out. They've run off everybody through imminent domain.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: The land is traumatized. There's been disputes, there's been trauma, bloodshed,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, and they're covering up our history. I'm
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: with you those lakes, Okay, I'm with you. That's what
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: they're doing. Listen. I'm going to start something a movement
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: of like anti man made lake movement or something. I
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: love the listen. I love I love going the lake.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: We go to the lake in Alabama all the time. Yeah,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: we go all the time. So I love the lakes.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: But there's also something simmis going on there.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: I believe it.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: I believe it pyramids and all that ancient Egyptian settlements.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Uh huh, Well, I want to hear about I want
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: to hear about something that your father encountered out at
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: the near Is it the land between the Lakes or
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: is it near the land between the Lakes.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: No, it's in a place. It's a little spot called
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Energy Lake where they basically put a put a dam
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: in a road across a bay Crooked Creek, and so
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: they've made a there's Energy Lake, there's a nice campground
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: on it. There's Hematite Lake that's got the nature center.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: There's Honker Lake. It's actually just a recreational center. The
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: old Empire farm was over there. They did an eagle
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: rehab over there. The Silo Overlook was not too far
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: from there, so that was just a place where they
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: really wanted to recreation to focus. And we fished on
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: that place, I mean the first again. I think I
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: went there for the first time in nineteen ninety and
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: I fished there. It's not getting it as good it
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: used to. What was cool about it is when the
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: lakes would flood in the spring. You know, in the spring,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of the fish moves shallow because they want
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: to spawn and make babies up shallow, right, So if
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: there's a flood, a lot of the fish would dump
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: in this place, and then when the water receded, they'd
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: be trapped in this little lake and it would reload. Well,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: it washed out several years ago, and so now they
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: keep it at the same level as a lake and
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: it gets over fish. So but for a while, man,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: we fished there. That's why my dad was there. He
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: he's more of a fisherman than I am. He and
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: he would fish a place out he I know he's
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: not listening. He's in bed right now, so I can
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: I can say that, but.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Spot Rob his good crappy beds are and stuff don't
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: do that work.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Oh man, it was. It was some good fishing. I
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: tell you about my dad. The neat thing about my dad.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: He's had a stroke. He had a stroke several years ago,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: and uh, he's recovered. Well, he's not able to get
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: out and do much now, but he's still very aware.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: And you know, he was one of the original members
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: of Delta Force. Yeah, Colonel beck with the guy that
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: started Delta Force. I called him Uncle Charlie. He used
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: to there's no telling how much secret stuff I saw
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: between the ages of two and five, because Daddy would
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: say during meetings they'd be talking about like the Iran
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: hostage rescue mission, and they'd be talking about stuff, and
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: with would have me on his knee bouncing me. Yeah. So,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: and and my dad's in the book Colonel. Colonel Becker
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: wrote a book just called Delta Force. And then a guy,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: a staff sergeant HAINI wrote one called Inside Delta Force.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: My father's in both of those. They call him Smitty,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: so you know it was neat. He he would tell
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: me stuff and you always think, are your parents and
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: I'm setting this up for you? You always think, are
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: your parents bs and your Are they messing with you?
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: Are they exaggerating? Well? I worked with in tobacco with
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: a guy that was retired from the Kentucky State Police
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: and he worked with the FBI in doing the drug
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: Eradication Task Force that they used to have. And as
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: he was talking in the tobacco patch, I knew a
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: bunch of the acronyms. And when he said the acronym CQB,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: which I knew his close quarter battle. He finally asked me.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: He's like, have you served? Did you do anything? And
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: I said, no, my dad did. And in talking about that,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: he was like, wait, Captain Smith, I have read training
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: manuals that your dad has written on CQB, and so
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: I'm like cool. When my cousin was deployed in Afghanistan.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: In Iraq, they called Delta the d boys. If they're around,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: you know, if there's if there's a group of them
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: in your base or with you, and he was like, man,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: I got to hang out with some of these d boys.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: They all knew your dad and had been trained on
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: his stuff. And then even one more. I ran group
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: homes for adults with special needs and for five years,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: and there was one family that the guy lived at
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: at his house with his parents. I took him out
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: every Saturday to go play golf and get stuff at Hearty's.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: And once we got to know each other, Miss Andres said,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, you're Mike Smith's son. I said, yes, ma'am.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: Your grandfather, your great grandfather, Teter Digger Smith, was the
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: mail carrier, and when my husband was deployed in World
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: War Two, he would make sure even on Sunday if
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: he got a letter, I got it that day. He
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: would bring letters to church. And then she says, you
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: have no idea how hard a life your dad had,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: because my dad always told me when he was eight
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: that his father tried to kill him with an axe,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: went on a drunken rage up in Ohio. My dad said,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: he went, got the spare tire from the car, rolled
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: it to the service station, sold it, bought a bus ticket,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: and came down to live with his grandparents in either
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: Callaway or Marshall County. Oh my gosh. So I'm saying
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: all this to say, I'm fixing to tell you an
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: unbelievable story. But my dad, not only do I think
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: he's never lied to me. Everything he's ever told me,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: I've had validated from outside sources, and he doesn't know
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: I haven't shared those stories with him. Wow. Oh, there
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: is a spot we used to fish. It's actually on
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: the Crooked Creek side of Energy Lake, and we would
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: wade out and there used to be a pipe, a
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: big covert that kind of drained this area when things
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: would overflow, and then the lake would actually back up
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: into it and it would just be up under the road.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: That's the part that washed out, and they've taken away now.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: But we would wade out in this ditch and catch
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: all kinds of fish. And I put him onto it,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: and he used to go by himself a lot. He
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: would get off work early, you know, after he was
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: out of the military. And he didn't tell me till
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: a few years ago. He said, he said, he just
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: got that feeling like something was watching it, and he
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: looked over and laying in that pipe was what he
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: thought was the head of a Komodo dragon. Had very
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: long claws. He said it had big red eyebrows. He
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: remembers the eyebrows and the spikes on it. And he
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: said it looked at him, and it pulled itself out
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: and went right under the water, and he could see
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: that the tail it was big, six seven feet long.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: And then he said it got out in front of him,
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: and he's about waist deep in the water, and it
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: rose up and looked at him, and again, Komodo dragon arms,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: big claws. He said he thinks it had legs that
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: it was standing on, but they never got out of
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: the water. And then it dove back down and he
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: saw the tail flick like an alligator tail, and it
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: swam off, and he would not wait out there again,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: and he discouraged me from waiting out there again. In fact,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: I remember one day I was out there waiting and
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: he stayed on the bank and just said he didn't
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: feel good. Back hurt. He would make some excuse, but
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: later on in life he confided in me that he
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: was sitting in there in the truck with his firearm
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: ready to go in case that thing raised up or
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: tried to get me. He was yeah, but yeah, he
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: saw it and I believe him. I do believe him.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's weird again, Martin I saw. I
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: asked Martin one day, just on a whim. I didn't
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: give him any details. I just said, have you ever
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: heard a story about some type of lizard man or something?
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: And he told me a story and it happened to
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: be on Barkley Lake, not too far north, and he
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: described almost identically what my dad saw. And you know,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: and now I will tell you again, I have seen,
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, watch a show, watch some kind
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: of show, some kind of where alligators and crocodiles. I
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: remember what I'm thinking of, where the thing fell off
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: the bank and started going hippos. When hippos come at
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: you underwater and you see the push of the water
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: before they rise up. I see that multiple times a
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: year off Kentucky Lake, with no explanation, no boat within earshot,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: within miles, there's the Glasscom Lake, and then all of
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: a sudden, here comes a huge wave like something big
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: underneath has been moving.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I actually okay. So that's interesting because when
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: we were at the last time we were there at
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: the gold I got to see at the Golden Pond
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: distillery shout out to Jimmy's Yeah, wanna put everybody out there.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: But but when we were driving after the distillery, I
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: think we'd been there that day on Saturday, and I
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: was riding with Matt and uh and Barton and and
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: we're in front of us. I think it was that
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: same time. It might have been that same weekend, but
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: we all saw something in the water as we crossed
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: the bridge. It was something very large. I'm just like,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I thought maybe it could be a submarine or.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: Something exactly right. And Barton told me about that. I
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: wouldn't gonna share it because I didn't know. You know,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: if you know it's not my story, you talked about it.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: I asked too much on the show. But but we
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: did see that Barton, Barton and I have talked about
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: it good bit.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: There's there's something under and you know so. And I've
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: shared before I hit something in the channel in my
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: boat that pulled the back end of my boat underwater.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: I've said every time i've shared it, if you were
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: that guy that was in the pontoon boat that I
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: had just passed and just checked on me, please contact
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: me because I'd liked it. You could you could verify
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: I had just passed a pontoon boat and uh, I
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: mean it it, it hit it. It pulled my engine.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: I had it trimmed all the way down, so if
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: you know boats, my engine was actually kind of like this,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: and it pulled it all the way up, pulled the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: bottom end down, threw me over the thing. I just
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 2: got back and hit hit my biltch pump and got
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: in the front of the boat. And luckily it's full
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: of foam and it popped up and there was blubber
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: churning in the wash in the back, big paper plate
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: sizes of blubber, no blood. And that guy, that guy stops,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: He's like, what did you He's like, are you okay?
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: What did you hit? I thought maybe it was a
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: trot line or a net or something. No damage to
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: my prop. I cut through the back of something. But
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: I hit it hard enough that it pulled a large
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: heavy boat under the water.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Wait, see you said, blobber lake, This was like pieces
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: of meat, like an animal, like fat.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, like like like fat. It was like fat, yep,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: fat and blubber just kind of turning. And Martin Marton
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: asked me when I told him He's like, hey, did
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: you get a sample of.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: It the Kentucky meat shower they had back in what
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds or something undreds, Yeah, some random meat
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: falling from the sky. You know, you got some random
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, there could there could be anything in that lake.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: That lake is big enough to be looks like the
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: ocean almost like it's a huge river, big lake right there.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: Something real big could live down there.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: It gets really really rough. I mean, people don't understand.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: And in the days of chat rooms and and the
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: threads that they used to post, I used to night
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: fish a lot. So this was back in the late nineties,
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: ninety three to probably two thousand. I would night fish
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: a lot because I worked at a factory and we
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: got off late, and multiple stories of rogue waves and
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: a calm night and people deciding to go out. In fact,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: we always stayed in the bay we were in because
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: that was a big thing. A guy came out of
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: a out of a bay and a wave just swamped
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: his boat on a moonlit, calm, clear night. The wave
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: was just there. It's like.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: It's a lake Berkeley or Land between the lakes right there.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: That is crazy. That doesn't make me sense.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. And so I don't know this guy,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: but in us talking about it on this I forget.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: You know, you used to have threads. I remember a
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: guy talking about seeing a bigfoot at Red Hollow, a
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: bunch of deer in by him. He was waving in
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: the creek, you know, so you'd have different fish, you know,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: fish and chat rooms, and that's how you would share information.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: And this guy was talking about a bigfoot came running
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: at it. It was chasing these deer. I actually remember
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: that now that I think about it, But it was
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: on this thread that we had all read and we
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: didn't know the guy, but he was. He was adamant
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: a roadway. What do you called it a roadway? Yeah?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Well you know. Now, now, okay, first of all, I'm
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: never going to swim in out there. Ever nobody has
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: worried about meaning on that. We have late Land near
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: here in Georgia, and late Land there is up in
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: north north Georgia. It is Gwenette County, I think, And
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: that's the most haunted lake in the world, one of them,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: and I used to all the time. But that's another
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: man made lake where people were ran out of the
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: area that they no means to an entire town mostly
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: it was actually like African American community was wiped out
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: from that and uh, and it is very hanted. It
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: takes the lives of many people every year. People drowned
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: there constantly. I mean it's like that, yes, but so
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: does the land between the lakes too, the lakes out
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: there that's very similar to Lakelanear. The last time I
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: went up there, the Wednesday before I got there, a
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: man jumped off his boat to go swimming and he
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: never surfaced.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: That's okay, that's the one I was going to talk about.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: So there are some every year, there's several which are explainable,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: you know, it's just a tragedy. But that one in particular,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: we still don't know about that. So, like the first
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: one this year was in Jonathan Creek. The first one
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: was actually my former math teacher from high school, and
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: he had had he was and so we all knew
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: he was a really bad diabetic and he just evidently
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: had a he got a sugar low and he fell over.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 2: But this one, you're right there. They were both gonna swim.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: I can't remember if they were swimming to the dock
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: or they were swimming back out from the boat. But
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: it was a boyfriend and girlfriend, husband and wife, and
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: like the lady looked back and the guy was gone
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: and he's still he's still gone. There was no body
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: recovery with that one, the way I understand it. Yep.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Well, Mike, okay, knowing what you know about the Secca said,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not. Of course, we have people that jump in
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: these lakes, and there are towns underneath the water. So
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: we've got road signs, we've got church steeples, we've got buildings,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: we've got road signs and cemetery, gravestones and all that.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: There's stuff down there. So if you go to head
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: first into the water, there's a chance you're gonna break
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: your neck on something or get caught in a tree limb,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like trees under the water,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: and so there are it's feasible these people are getting
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: caught in trees and stuff go down.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: It is. And I'll tell you what else. A lot
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: of people don't realize that. We'll fool you. And I
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: do most of my stuff on Kentucky. Barkley is way
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: more dangerous. Barkley Lake is way more dangerous. Barkley Lake.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: You could be standing knee deep in water on that
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: bridge you crossed by the Distillery. There's place out there
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: where you can be knee deep, and you would think
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: it would be twenty feet deep. But then if you
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: jump forward three feet, you're gonna drop down about forty
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: feet off a cliff, those cliffs of the Distillery sits on.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: If you've been that way, that's what that channel looks like.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: So there's the bays on the LBL side. Especially you
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: have to enter the bay on the south part, because
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: all of them have long gravel peninsulas, and it looks
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: like the mouth of the bay. Now a lot of
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: these are exposed, but at summer Pool it looks like
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: it's just all just should be twenty feet of water,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: and there are a lot of people that if they
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: beach there and it's only three feet deep when you
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: jump off, you're hitting rock and gravel. Yeah yea or
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: or foundation or something something else or a lizard man
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: that maybe oh not, but yeah, evidently yes.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, when your dad said that he saw Rent, one
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: of the most remarkable things he remembered were the red eyebrows. Yes,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: that's not normal. Okay, So to me that I've heard
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: too many stories about people seeing reptilian's real eyewitness accounts,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: and to me, that sounds like some kind of reptilian humanoid.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: I yes, yes, And he thought he always thought that
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: it was. It had hind legs, that it could probably
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: walk and move on. And you know, Barton drew a
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: really good picture of it, well used AI to generate
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: a very good and I went back and showed my
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: dad and he just said the claws were actually bigger
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: and blacker than what Barton had showed. But other than that,
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: he said it was spot on. That's exactly what it was.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: And you know what's weird about that is then I
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: have had I had a time slip. I believe I
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: was part of a time slip and energy lake not
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: too long ago as.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: Well, missing time.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: Well, no, it was so weird is Barton. Barton had
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: just posted I think he and Martin are the key
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: to all the strangers. He had just posted on his
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Facebook when I got home. So I'm walking a lot
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: of times. Even though I've got a boat, I don't
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: have time or I don't want to fool with putting
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: it in. And I do like the hike. So I
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: had walked to energy lake and walked down there and
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: fished the bank. And then I decided instead of walking
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: back along the bank and going up and down the hills,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: I wanted to cut to a spot i'd never been
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: on because I'd gotten on this old road and I
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: wanted to see if it ran into the paved road,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: because there's a lot of tons of old roads there.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Like we're talking horse and buggy roads. A lot of
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: the gravel roads that you've been on the people are on,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: they're logging roads, and they're more modern if you if
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: you go a bit further, you'll find these old like
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: I say, horse and buggy paths, and I had found
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: one of these. And so I'm walking up this hill
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: and I look over and there's a man that looked
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: like Davy Crockett. He's holding a musket, he's got a
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: dog beside him. He's got a dog beside and he's
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: looking out at the lake and didn't didn't have a
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: hat on without the coonskin hat, but he had the period.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: So I'm thinking this is a reenactor, or there's something
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: going on at the campground, or maybe he's squirrel hunting,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: but this was a no hunting zone, so I told myself,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get to the top of the ridge and
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: then I'm gonna watch this guy and when he comes
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: to me, I'm going to tell him, hey man, this
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: is a no hunting area. But when I got to
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: the top of the ridge and looked again, he was gone.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: Sound like actually ghost. It sounds like you've got like
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: a in between some kind of like dimensional things.
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: I see ghosts all the time. I wish my wife
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: was still in here. It was not it was it
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: was not a ghost. It was it was a man
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: and his dog standing there looking at something towards. And
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: so when I get home, I know just on Barton's
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Facebook he had posted something about with a similar picture
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: of a guy, and I thought that I just saw
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: I just saw this today. I just I saw this guy,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: and I saw Martin immediately. And then he shared that
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: that there have been some Forest Service employees. You know,
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: people don't know about Martin. He's been in that park
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: talking to people that are there every day. You know,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: law enforcement guys stick together. They're tighten. It doesn't matter
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: if your federal, state, local, whatever. They respect each other
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: and they share stuff and they know they can trust
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: each other and he had mentioned that there have been reports.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: All I'll say is there had been reports in that
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: area of weirdness involving being in a different time. That's
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: the way. That's the way he comforted me. He's like, well, Mike,
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you you're not alone. That has happened before
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: in that area.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: So it happens. Listen, it happens wherever there's trauma in
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: the land. I'm telling you, it's from the battlefields, from
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: the territory, you know, like Indian Wars and things like that.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: It's it happens more often than you think. I've had
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: people that came on my show that talked about thinking
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: they were walking up to a Civil War reenactment and
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: it was real people doing with real injuries, and they thought,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: this is so real. It turns out there was no
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: Civil War reenactment that.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: Day, right exactly. Yes, Yes, that's what it was. I say,
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: that was as sure that I'm sitting here. That was
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: a guy I was I was getting ready to talk
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: to him, and and really his dog was cool. I
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: was like, I got to see this dog is a
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: cool looking dog.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, there was a there's actually a
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: case recently from North Carolina. There is a gentleman who
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: called into nine one one and and he said that
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: he had just seen an injured man on the side
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: of the road at three o'clock in the morning.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: And uh.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: And he said he was on the phone with nine
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: one one with a dispatcher and uh. And he described
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: him as looking like he was wearing Civil war outfit
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: with blood all over him and uh. And then you
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: can hear something jump in his truck and he starts
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: screaming to the nine one one dispatcher and you can
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: hear him like take off in his truck. And then
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: he slammed on his brakes and whatever had jumped in
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: the back of his truck was falling over the calf
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: of the truck. It was like a pell crawler looking thing.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: And it was right after he had seen that ghost.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: It was like a ghost of it. It turned out
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: to be like a Revolutionary war battlefield right there. When
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: he was like, it was like a two for one
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: he got he saw this man, he said, it just
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: like a regular person covered in blood.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, it is.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad that he was able to
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: get that thing out of the bed of his truck,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: I guess, but yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I mean I've
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: even been to a Civil War battlefield, a Picket's mill
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: in Georgia, not too far from the Edaway Indian Mounts,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: and I put my son there for a Halloween storytelling
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: walk through Halloween thing in the woods on the battlefield,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: and as they were leaving that night, the cannon started firing.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: And the cannons were not firing, but we get the
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: ground was shaken and everything, so there were multiple cannons firing.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just I think that these anywhere that has like
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: trauma like that, mostly battlefields and places like the l
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: B L. Yeah, it's gonna be very haunted. And it's
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: almost like, you know, they say time is just an illusion, right,
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: and we're living past, present and the future altogether right now,
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: and you just get to see it at places like
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: the LBO.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yep, yep, evidently yeah, evidently.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: Well what did your dad think that that reptilian thing was?
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: Did he?
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: I know, he didn't talk about it too much, right,
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: but what were in his thoughts was did have some
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: kind of military connection or anything to him?
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't know, he doesn't know, and he doesn't
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: know why, he said, then we know, it's funny about
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: my dad. He was totally against this stuff. Uh, he
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 2: was very much just he was very Christian man, but
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: he was very much explainable or if written in the Bible,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: the supernatural stuff. He wasn't into until he started helping
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: me with this property. And he came to this property
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: and I started explaining to him we had to tear
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: down an old house that was here, and he he
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: didn't believe. He didn't believe this stuff. And so one
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: day it was funny about my dad, as he was
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: always into cars, he had parked his Dodge pickup truck
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 2: under a shade tree because it was so hot. He
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: was very cautious about the interior getting hot. He was
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: an armor all addict. I mean he kept his truck
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: cleaned and waxed. Yeah, so he says, well, I had
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: talked about the I thought we had communicated with a
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: lady that lived here, that had her husband had built
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: the house or expanded on the house in the forties,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: and it was Miss Betty Gray's mom. Betty Gray actually
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: lived right up the hill and I had met her
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: and she had come down here was really interested in
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: what we were doing to the place, and so I
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: was like, well, you know, miss Baker, miss Betty Gray's mom,
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: I think she's talking to us. And he's like, that's
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: a bunch of bs. That old and he used some
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: choice words. I'm not going to believe it to that
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: old comes down here and slaps me in the face
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: or something. Well, he gets in his truck to leave
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: in the middle of his dash is cracked and he's like, oh,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: it's just coincidence. He called me when he got home.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: He's like, it's coincidence. It's the old truck whatever. He
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: drives his car the very next day, parks it in
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: the same spot, gets in it, and he calls me.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: He's like, Michael, get over here. His dash is cracked
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: in the same spot. And yeah. He apologized to the world,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: to whoever he needed to apologize to right then, and
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: then he started having He said he has seen some orbs.
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: He said this was after his stroke, but I don't
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: have a reason to doubt, and he said, Michael, I
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: was sitting out on the back porch and this light
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: came up to me and it shined in my face
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: and it turned colors. And I told him I didn't
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: mean it any harm, and I hope it didn't mean
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: any harm to me. And he said it just kind
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: of blinked in it left, And so he doesn't know
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: if that lizard thing he saw. That's what he struggles
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: with because I think he sees lights and stuff sometimes
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: that he talks about and he has feelings and stuff,
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: but he he doesn't know if it was military or not,
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: or if it was UFO. He ponders on it, but
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 2: he's never really come to a conclusion. He gets worked up.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: That's what happens with his the one effect of his stroke.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: He can't walk really well now, his balance is off,
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: and he gets really emotional, like he can hardly talk
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: about all the stuff with Iran right now because that
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: was one of his that was his real service when
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: he was deployed in doing things with Delta and with
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: Colonel beckwith a lot of it centered around Iran, and
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: he just he gets so worked up he'll start crying
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: and just get so I asked him, every once in
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: a while, you know, what do you think when we
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: talk about it. We also saw one time I think
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: this might have been before it, and he talks about
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: this too. We were walking down a creek and just
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, about fifty yards in front of us.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: It looked like the original Ghostbusters when those those gargoles
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 2: came to life and those dogs were running. It was
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: like a big rottweiler.
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 3: It came out of the bushes, out of the trees,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 3: across the gravel of the creek, hit right where the
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: gravel and the water meat met, and then in one
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: bound up a fifteen foot bank probably covered thirty feet
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: in distance and fifteen feet in.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: Height, and took off running. And he just looked at
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: me and said, uh, what was that? Well, I said, Daddy,
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I don't know what it was,
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: but I've set seen stuff. I think it was a
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: hell hound. That's what I describe it as, as a
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: hell hound.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: That's what Larry just said in the chat hell him.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So he finally he wouldn't want I mean,
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't want to talk about it. And then after
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: I saw Bigfoot, and after he's opened his mind a
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: little bit, he's he's admitted, you know, Michael, we did
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: see something that day that I think that might have
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: been a coming out of a portal or into a
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: portal or what because there was no sound. The only
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: sound was the splash and gone.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: So wow, it sounds like it sounds like this is
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: something that you're it's almost I want to say, generational,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: you know, like in my family, we have a long
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: history of on both sides of my family of people
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: experiencing ghosts and even UFOs and things like my great
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: grandmother Margerie. We're living up in North Georgia in Rome,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: but we have a lot of dog men a werewolf
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: encounters right now going on. There were been room and
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: the way they described it was never a UFO with ets.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: It was always a light came down from the sky.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: It enveloped their car and it was angels taking them
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: out of harm's way, and so God and the angels
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: had saved them from a wreck or something. But see,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it as like, well, they got abducted
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: by aliens, okay, And that's the way I'm looking at it.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 1: But they never looked at it like that. But it's
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: it's all about the perspective, I guess, you know. But
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: there's I'm just saying that because there's a history in
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: our family of like strange things happening, even you know,
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: fireballs coming out of the woods. When a great great
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: great grandmother was dying on her deathbed and the fireball
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: came in the house and it went around into every
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: room and did the windows under the house, and then
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: it went back out, and then she died. That kind
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: of stuff just happened. And you know, my family's houses
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: being haunted from all my aunts and uncles, everybody talking about.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just in our family. It runs in
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: our blood.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're the same way. So I found out recently.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's my fourth great grandmother, my fourth back
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: was full blooded Chickasaw Indian. And then on my dad's
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 2: mom's side, he tells this story and again I've had
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: this validated by other people. They would say, grandma'm Collins
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: was just weird. She used a bible, she had a
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: special Bible with notations in it, and she would grow
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: the best crops. She never had a fell crop. And
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: he remembers a kid came in and I think it
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: was a piece of tin. They were roof in a
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: barn and a piece of ten had come down and
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: almost cut his hand off or wrist off, and they
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: couldn't stop the bleeding. And they carry him in and
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: she came in the room with the Bible and she said,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: everybody get out. And then within five minutes she came
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: out and that bleeding had stopped, and he said, they've
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: been putting stuff on it. And so she was weird
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: like that. And then my aunt, who was gonna give
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 2: me that Bible actually, and then it just disappeared. I
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: don't know where it is when my aunt passed away,
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: but she would spirits would come talk to her like
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: full form, sit down in her rocking chair. She had
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: a lady in black that would come. And I was
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: the only one everybody there's Aunt Tracy was my dad's sister.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: I was the only one that would talk to her
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: about it. And I didn't at the time, honestly believe her.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: She was She died pretty early in life. She had
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: brain cancer two or three different times, so she was
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: always on medication and stuff. But I remember I'd answer
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: the phone and I talked Aunt Tracy for hours about
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: this weird stuff. And you know, back then the day said, well,
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: you know, she's crazy, but Grandma and Collins wasn't crazy.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: So it's kind of a conflicted thing. But yes, we
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: have a history of that and my family as well.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean there's something that you know, people
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: have always talked about laying hands on people, and you
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: know there's a power in that and can heal people.
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 1: And I'm one hundred percent I know it's a frequency
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: thing as well. It's an intuitive I believe, you know,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: there's a power out there, okay, and there's there's it's all.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: It all works in conjunction together.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: I think it does, it doesn't, you know. I tell
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: I'm openly I believe in the the Christian explanation, in
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: the Christian God. I believe Jesus, No, Jesus was real
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 2: and operates in people's lives. I encourage people to find
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: their own way with that. But I always say we
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: have to all agree we were created. This world is
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: a creation. There is a higher power in control. Now, however,
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: you come to grips to explain that is on you,
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't, it doesn't take us. You know, this
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: wasn't a big accident, this wasn't a big explosion. And
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: now here's this wonderful thing that's unique to any else
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: thing known in the universe. So that's right.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: There's more more at work here for sure, and that
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: and I can appreciate. And I am just so tickled
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: that you came on tonight and and shared these stories
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: with us and all your encounters. I have a question,
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: how how are you? How does your family today, like
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: your wife and your daughters, how do they handle all
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: of this? And are they are they intuitive like you are?
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: And uh? And are they are they handling the Bigfoot
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: and encryptet stuff? Okay? Out of the LBL they are.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: I think my little one, Layla has probably got the
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 2: intuitive stuff. They they're okay with the ghosts. They've been
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: raised with it. It was funny when my wife's sister
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: would come down from New York for a while. We
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: had a little Daniel Tiger trolley which was a replica
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: of the mister Rogers trolley, and when she would come down,
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: the ghosts would turn lights on on that they would turn.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: I would take the batteries out of things that have
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: batteries in them, and they would still make them light up.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: And the girls were around that, and I've always tempered
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 2: it with you know, there's some rules when you mess
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: with this stuff, so I've always made sure they were
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: educated about it. The girls loved going out and listening
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 2: my oldest or my middle daughter. She's I've got a
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: twenty what's twenty three now? But the two that are
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 2: with me are six and eleven. My eleven year old Briar.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: She loves to whistle and she gets whistles back, and
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: she enjoys that. My little one, Lailah, she thinks she saw.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: She says, I saw bigfoots yegg y e g. I
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: saw bigfoots yeg They oh, they love it. They go
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: on expeditions with us. Elizabeth Barks helped them cast a print.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: They found the prince, so it's very normal to us.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: I know things. My wife had to get kind of
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: used to. I shocked her the first night she was
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: here when we were dating my players. So she worked
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: at a school. She's a athletic trainer now for my school,
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: and I'm the athletic director, but we were also at
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: another school together and that's how we met. She moved
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: in and my players had told her that I was
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: weird and my house was haunted. So when she came
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: over here, she's like, I want to see this. So
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: Miss Baker we call her, would turn a flashlight on
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: and off blake twice for yes, once for no. She
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: would mess with the flashlight. So we get in the
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: dark room. You know, here's this girl down here from
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: New York with this weird Kentucky dude. And I say,
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: Miss Baker, this is Kara. You know, she'd like to
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: she's gonna be hanging around. She'd like to talk to
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: you can turn that light on. Well, the light came
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: on and that wasn't shocking, but I went, thank you,
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: Miss Baker. Can you turn it off? When it goes off,
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: Kara's like holy, just like whoa. And then when it
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: started blinking, and Kara would eventually say can you blink
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: the light three times? And it went on, cue blinket
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: three times? She was not. She came back the next day,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: so she was, you know. And she's Christian as well.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: We've going to church together. She's very open to it.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: I think she's got her own gifts that way, she's
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: just learning about them right now. She's not as far
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: along maybe as I am. But the spiritual side of life,
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: in the paranormal side of life, and the cryptid that's
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: all just a normal part of our family, and thankfully
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: that makes it easier on me.
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: It's the same in my family too. Mike, it's the same.
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: It's you know, when I grew up, I was never
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: really made fun of in my family for all the
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: weird stuff that I was into, like bigfoot and ghosts
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: and aliens and UFOs and stuff. Yeah, honestly, my family
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: kind of encouraged it a little white. For my mom,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have joined that bigfoot field research team, you know,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: back in twenty eleven. She's the one that invited me
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: out to a lecture they were given. And so so
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: I've been blessed in that aspect. And and so I've
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: also gotten my son involved. And I mean I was
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: big footing. I didn't go out in the woods so
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 1: much when I was pregnant with him, but after he
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: was born, you know, I did. When he got old enough,
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: I started taking him camping and stuff. And he's loved it.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: He loves it. And he's seen a bigfoot already. And
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: he has no idea how cool his mom is.
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: Mike.
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: These kids have cool I'll tell you now maybe, but
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 1: they will one day. I'm telling you.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you a funny thing. How used to this
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: stuff my wife is. So you know, we've talked about
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: remote viewing and I'm not an expert, but when I
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: remote view, I actually end up. What I draw as
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: I let my hand go tends to be more accurate.
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: So I we just went on vacation, and before we
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: went on vacation, I did ask what scratch off lottery
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: ticket has the highest percentage of winning? And I scribbled
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: this thing, and I tell you what. It had an
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: arrow on it. And I told car, I said, Okay,
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: we're fixing to go through Ohio, through Pennsylvania through New York.
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for this right and you've you've probably know
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 2: more of what I'm talking about then a lot of
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: people do. So we come back, We get back into
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: Kentucky and we walk into this little convenience store to
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 2: get guests. There they are, it's right there. I bought
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: three of them. They're ten dollars tickets. We won one
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: hundred dollars. And listen, my wife, instead of being all
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: struck and like, oh my god, this work, she said,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: why didn't you ask which one would win one hundred
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars? I mean, she's like, this is not enough.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 2: She's just like she's totally cool with the weirdness. She's like,
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: you screwed up.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: You asked the wrong question, so let's scoop back and
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: get more kids.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: So's she's very comfortable with it. I'll say that, that's fantastic.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 4: I'm so glad you guys are so open, yeah, and
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: cool like that. That's the why I try to be
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: with my son.
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: And Martin said, I remember Martin was really Martin and
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: Martin really bragging about your kids. And this is what
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: Martin says. Mike's daughters can set up camp pitch tents,
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: start fires, and cook supper and everything. That's they are
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: very They are very good.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: I'm very proud of them. They always get a lot
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: of compliments. And it's not just on their behavior. They're
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 2: very comfortable. They're getting old enough now, especially Briar. She's
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 2: she's getting some other interests. So they'll balk a little
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: bit now if we tell them we're going to the woods.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: But once we get there, you you would think they
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: were born and raised there because they were.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you're gonna have to bring them out out there.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: So now, and when I'm out there, we gotta go
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: and we'll do some big footing with the kids. Sometimes
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 1: my son up to the obl sometimes when I know
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: I can, I'll get a cabin or something because but uh,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's uh, it's wonderful and I'm trying to
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: set my kid up to be the next, you know,
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: the next generation of researchers.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's fun for me and I think
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: it's fun for him too. But yeah, we'll see. I
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 1: don't know, but Mike, I have thoroughly enjoyed this tonight
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: big times. So much for being here. I hope you'll
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: come back and hang out with me again on.
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: The show anytime.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, perfect. I mean we've we've we've covered everything
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: from your bigfoot encounters to dog multiple like dog man
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: encounters and even your father's reptilian encounter at the LBL
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: are there in Orbs and all that in the LBL
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: that we didn't cover, Mike, what else is out there?
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: You think?
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think there's always going to be
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: a human element there. There's a there's wolves there, there's
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: bears now, there's mountain lions there. The the level of
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: spooky stuff, uh, you know, I keep learning, like this
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 2: rake thing. I never knew about a rake. I knew
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: about a crawler. You know, there's crawlers. But I think
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: you would be better served to ask what is not there,
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: because that's going to be the short list. You know,
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 2: there's a there's everything. You know, I've I've got a
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: book somewhere. We've got the Lady in White, the Spectral
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 2: Lady in White. One of my first things was a
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 2: friend of mine. I won't say his name, but he's
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: I'm friends with him here on Facebook. He got ran
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 2: out of a of a place by a like a
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: ghost of screaming wind on a on a calm, clear
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 2: day and he comes to work and we're like, did
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: you get a turkey? He said, I'm never going back
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: there again. And then I've had similar happens since you
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: get the metallic sounds and the portals opening, We've got uh,
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: there's ghost people, ghost in boats. Uh, there's the phantom trucker.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: So and that's this is all. This is all. This
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 2: is a local book. I'm looking over here because I
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 2: usually keep it on my desk over here. But so
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: the lore, it's way before you know. People talk about
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: what the eighty two Masacre didn't happen, and that's bs.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: You can throw that out the window, that that is
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that the other stuff did or didn't
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: throw that out. That's just one story of hundreds, maybe
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: thousands of other stories.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. There's more stories to be had out there too,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: you know. Oh yes, oh yes, I'm pretty sure if
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: I got dropped off there, I mean, that would be
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 1: one of my works. I shouldn't be telling the general
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: public what my worst nightmare is, but like that would
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: be really rough, Like getting drunk down there with no flashlight,
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: no weapon, in the middle of the LBL, with nothing
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: to protect yourself and just being stuck there. That that
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: would just be gosh, that would that would be I
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: would do.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 2: I would do a lot of praying and try to
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 2: get to that paved road and uh, you know, it's
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 2: there's people. It's funny. People get lost there and and
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: it you know, I don't know topography wise, it's only
• 2:18:33
  Speaker 2: you know, eight to ten miles wide, and its longest.
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 2: It's if you pick a direction and stick with it,
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: you're gonna hit a lake or a road or a bridge.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: But it's so easy to get turned around in there.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 2: It's it's amazing, you know, just people that have been
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 2: there all their lives and they'll put on Facebook, well
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 2: I got. I got turned around today in a two
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: hour hike turned into a six hour.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 1: Hike, got stuck in another cemetery. Yeah, oh the same
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: Just surprisingly remote. It's surprisingly remote, it really is. And
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: and again it can be real scary.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: It can be it can be well Mark, do you,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, Mike, do you have any final words of
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: advice for the audience tonight or like any any you know,
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: anybody wants to go to l BL. Do you have
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: any kind of advice to give them as far as
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: like safety or just anything.
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I tell them, come come visit this place.
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: It's awesome. Uh, don't be alone. Do most of your
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 2: stuff in the daytime. If you if you're camping somewhere,
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: stick with the campgrounds and the and the noted ones. Again,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: not by yourself, me personally, am I'm always gonna tell
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 2: somebody to be to be prayed up, be open minded,
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: don't be confrontational, don't be confrontational, don't don't. I think
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: I really believe if you've got a pure heart and
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: pure intentions, you're gonna you're gonna be safe most of
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: the time. I think there's the negativity and things that
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 2: you can get drawn down into and I think those
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: are the type of people that maybe, for whatever reason,
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 2: draw some of the some of the negative stuff. But
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: be aware, be aware of that place again, the human element.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: That place is huge. That place is huge. There's so
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: many wells and cisterns and things. I tell people if
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 2: you're hiking, I always carry fifty feet a rope in
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 2: my pack. I've got nots tied into it and several
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: loops about ten feet up. Because there's cisterns, there's wells,
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 2: there's old septic tanks you can fall into. There's still
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: caves and crevices. So you very much have to be
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 2: especially if you're hiking prepared. Whistle, you know, definitely whistle,
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 2: extra water, extra stuff. Don't take it for granted, don't
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: take it lightly. But enjoy it. There's a lot to enjoy.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: The history. Be respectful of the history, be respectful of
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: the land, and I think you'll be okay.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, respect is a big part of all of this.
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: And and so that's why I was told everybody like,
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: don't don't live in fear. Fear is healthy. Though I
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of fear. It'll save your life.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: But just be aware of your surroundings and like, know
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: where you're going. I would say, don't ever get to
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: a campsite after dark. You don't know where you're going.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 1: Know what's ound there, and buckle up Buttercups if you
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 1: go to that's mine.
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's probably you put it way more I was.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: That's what I should have said. Buckle up Buttercups.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: And don't don't go swimming in that lake there you go,
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 1: just don't do it. Just don't And uh, yeah, oh
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: my gosh, Mike, I really did enjoy this and uh
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: and so thank you so much for sharing all your
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: encounters with us and stuff. And you actually have a
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Would you like to tell the audience about
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel?
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I'm not trying to monetize it or
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: look for subscribers or views or anything. And usually I
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: only post between October and it's smith Ridge Adventures. It's
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: got a little little mountain there, and I do everything
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: I've talked about that I have gotten on video. And
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: I'll admit I'm old. I'm fifty four years old, so
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 2: I can live life without an electronic device, and a
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: lot of times I just want to experience stuff and
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: not look at it through a screen. But the stuff
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: I have caught, and there's a lot of it, I
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: do put up there and share. It's just go check
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: it out.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 1: I'm going to pull it up for the audience to
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 1: see you. Okay, so you guys find this YouTube channel. Okay,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: smith Ridge Adventures is actually that's LBO. That's the lake
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 1: right there with the bridge.
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. Yeah, my wife took My wife
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 2: took that picture.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great picture. Some of the most beautiful
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: pictures I have with the LBL or of the sunset
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 1: going over that roam.
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you can't. You can't beat it.
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: It's gorgeous.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: I was actually thumbing through some of your videos today.
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: It's wonderful, absolutely cool stuff and you'll learn a lot, y'all.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 1: You go check out, y'all, go subscribe smith Ridge Adventures. Okay,
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: and all right, well, Mike, I certainly hope I get
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 1: to hang out with you guys again out of the LBL.
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: I'll be back up there. I'm not gonna say when
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 1: I'm coming, but I'm definitely coming back up there in
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: a couple of months, so i'll see it. I'll probably
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: see it the distillery. Yeah, something sounds good.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: Sounds good.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: As much as I'm talking about that distillery. People don't
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: think I drink moonshine all the time or something. They
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: just have I do have some on my shelf back here,
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: thanks to Martin.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: I got some over here, and I've tasted it over there.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: It's delicious. I'm not a big drinker, so that bobb
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: will probably last me the rest of my life. But
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: Jimmy smith Man, you don't do it better than him.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: He's a great guy. I tell you what. He's a
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: testament if you want to guy his grandfather. I've been
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: in Colson Hollow with Jimmy and he's like, my grandfather
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: used to load moonshine right over there. Before this was
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: a lake, it was a river, and uh, he's been
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: in that place his whole life, and just recently he's like,
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: there's some weird stuff out here, you know, Total one eighty.
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: He's like, this is incredible, this stuff that's happening that
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing. He's a great testament to the history of LBL,
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: to the cryptied stuff that's going on, to the being
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: a hard working business owner to be having a legacy
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: here and his family he's just a great guy. If
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: you're down here, go to go up there and buy
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 2: some of his moonshine.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: It's the real stuff to y'all. It's not that subby
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: at the gas station. No no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: it's not. It's a good set. And shout out to
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 1: Matt two war criminal. He's given me a bottle or
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: two as well. Okay, so I actually do have a
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: nice collection salt of criminals. Where it's at, I'm gonna
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 1: leave it at that.
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 1: Anyways, but I've saved my bottles for I don't know
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 1: what I'm saving them for, but I cannot dream that,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 1: not by myself, right, But yeah, I think it's great. Actually,
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: Jimmy who owns Golden Pond Distillery, he's been having cryptied
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: town halls and stuff. They are at his distillery and
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 1: it's bringing the community together, and it's bringing people from
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 1: all over the South, over there, really all over the place.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: Applaud them for that. I think it's absolutely yeah, and
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: everybody we get to meet people and hear about their
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: their dog man encounters.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: In Big Front.
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 1: I know exactly it is. Oh, it is much more
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: mainstream now isn't it.
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 2: There's there's way more crazy people than I thought, you know,
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 2: and I guess misery loves company. Craziness loves company. You got,
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: we got a lot of company, uh in this scrypted
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 2: stuff and so it makes us feel it makes feel good.
• 2:25:22
  Speaker 2: And like I say, he's he's a new one. He's
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: got some stories. He's he doesn't share him because he's
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: the host, but I think he's gonna he's gonna share
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: at some point. I don't know Martin would know better
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 2: than that. But they've I was talking to Martin today,
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: they've actually had a they've had some cool stuff happening.
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, yep, I don't know. Hopefully there wasn't Moonshine involved.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm just kidding, no, no, no.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 2: No, though they were during the day perfectly, so I
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: think in one of them, Jimmy's mom was along, so
• 2:25:49
  Speaker 2: you know, he wasn't going crazy with his mom there.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: So I love her. It's Miss Susie, isn't it, Miss Susie. Yep, yeah,
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 1: I love her. Shout out to Miss Susie. She's so
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: sweet and uh yeah, it's uh, I don't doubt it.
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: And they were so welcoming and so cool, and I
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 1: can't wait. I was the first place I'm going to
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 1: go when I go back there is stopping by their
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 1: distillery for sure.
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, shout out to everybody that was in the
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 1: chat tonight, to Martin and I mean, we had a
• 2:26:18
  Speaker 1: huge We had a packed house tonight in the chat.
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 1: So thank you to everybody who was here, all our
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: Kentucky friends up there, everybody in the Tennessee and wherever,
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: all over the place. All my research buddies were in
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 1: the chat tonight. And and I wanted to thank Mad
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: mad Pactsimus, thank you for that superstick or Mad Pacsimus
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 1: small token. I'd love to say thank you Jessica for
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: all of you. Thank you so much for that. I
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: really appreciate that so much. And and I want to
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: thank all my moderators will be in here tonight. Y'all
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: are the best. And uh yeah, I just man, I
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 1: love this show tonight. This was so great.
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 2: It was fun.
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: It was fun, all right, everybody, please go over to
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 1: smith Ridge Adventures smith Ridge Adventures on YouTube. We're actually
• 2:26:58
  Speaker 1: broadcasting live on x face book and YouTube tonight and
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 1: you can find the show on podcast platforms. First thing,
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: tomorrow morning. Okay, if anybody miss it tonight live and
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 1: uh and so you please stay safe out there, Mike. Okay, yeah,
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 1: hold it down and holler at me if anything weird
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: happens from here on out. Okay about it, You got it? Okay,
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: all right, that's wonderful. All right, everybody, Well, y'all, have
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 1: a great night. Please come back and see me on
• 2:27:27
  Speaker 1: Monday at one pm Eastern. I believe I'm gonna have
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: Rob Effler here on the show with n c I
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 1: talking about Instagram. North Carolina Investigates. Rob is scheduled to
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 1: be here with me on Monday. They're so fun to
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 1: hang out with man our fellow bigfoot brethren out there.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, y'all. Everybody have a great night, and
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: please stay save out there. Don't live in fear, and
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 1: keep your head on swivel, y'all, and I'll see y'all
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 1: back here on Monday, all right, see you, Mike, Bye, yass.
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: It's so, it's it's it's