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The Bolt Report | 5 October · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: This is The Vault Report.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm back and I've got to thank James McPherson
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  Speaker 2: for filling in so brilliantly while I was away. That's
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  Speaker 2: a huge talent there, that man. And tonight, so much
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  Speaker 2: coming up, Pauline Hanson's strange policy launch in Victoria, talking
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  Speaker 2: up law and order while praising a cop killer. Plus
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  Speaker 2: the shocking riots in France, a new civil war with
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  Speaker 2: the enemies of the West. And Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is taking
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  Speaker 2: legal action against the police who arrested him in the
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  Speaker 2: Epstein case. And speaking of handsome, by the way, isn't
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  Speaker 2: the new logo of the Brisbane Olympics revealed today, officially
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  Speaker 2: at least, really of a cockatoo or is it a
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  Speaker 2: tribute to another Queensland icon? But first... I spent the
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  Speaker 2: last month or more actually touring the ruins of past civilisations,
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  Speaker 2: the ruins of Minoans in Crete, the ruins of Greek empires,
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  Speaker 2: of the Ottoman Empire, even of what's left of the
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  Speaker 2: Austro-Hungarian Empire. Bit of a thing I have, schadenfreude or something.
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  Speaker 2: But so many of these civilisations collapsed in part because
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  Speaker 2: they simply forgot what it took to make them successful
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  Speaker 2: in the first place. Or they became complacent, or they
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  Speaker 2: lost the will or the discipline or adaptability to keep going.
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  Speaker 2: Then I come home to Australia and I think, uh-oh,
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  Speaker 2: is all that true here as well? And in fact,
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  Speaker 2: you know, something does seem to have snapped during my break.
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  Speaker 2: It seems they've got too much for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: We're getting poorer, we're getting more divided, and we have
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  Speaker 2: a government that spends and taxes enormous amounts, yet still
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  Speaker 2: racks up a trillion dollar debt.
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  Speaker 3: And for what?
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  Speaker 2: You know, life is just getting harder, people just getting angrier.
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  Speaker 2: A Redbridge poll in the Financial Review today shows the
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  Speaker 2: government now behind One Nation in popularity, with an astonishing
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  Speaker 2: low of just 28%. And no surprise, of course. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is a government that has completely and clearly forgotten
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  Speaker 2: what it took to build this country, let alone unite it. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I want to go through two astonishing examples of that
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  Speaker 2: just from today. One may seem small, but it's a
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  Speaker 2: perfect example of how this government lacks even the most
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  Speaker 2: basic business sense. And the other example is perhaps even
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  Speaker 2: more damning. So the The small example first. Anthony Albany
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  Speaker 2: knows things have gone to cuss, that the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: knows people are under pressure. But he still has not
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  Speaker 2: the foggiest idea of what to do about it. In
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  Speaker 2: this case, he thought, well, I know, I'll ban shops
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  Speaker 2: from charging you a surcharge if you pay with a
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  Speaker 2: credit card. In fact, Albanese promised this would make even
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  Speaker 2: your coffee cheaper.
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  Speaker 4: Every time you tap, those little surcharges add up. Right now,
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  Speaker 4: they're costing Aussies $ 1. 6 billion each and every year. But
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  Speaker 4: from today, they're banned, saving you money every time you tap.
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  Speaker 4: So whether you're at the supermarket paying bills or buying
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  Speaker 4: a cup of coffee, the price you see is the
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  Speaker 4: price you pay.
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  Speaker 2: And, of course, the exact opposite has happened because even
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  Speaker 2: an idiot could figure that Albanese's ban wouldn't and couldn't work. Because,
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  Speaker 2: of course, businesses... A lot of them would have to
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  Speaker 2: pass on the costs of credit card transactions to their customers,
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  Speaker 2: especially with all these other cost pressures on them these days.
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  Speaker 2: And sure enough, businesses around the country are now apologising
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  Speaker 2: on social media for having to jack up their prices,
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  Speaker 2: including the price of coffee and other food. Sydney chicken business.
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  Speaker 2: Charcoal Kingdom posted from October 1st, customers can no longer
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  Speaker 2: be charged a card surcharge, but as business owners, we
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  Speaker 2: still have to pay the card processing fees. At the
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  Speaker 2: same time, we're dealing with the inflation and fuel levies
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  Speaker 2: on every delivery, rising gas and electricity prices and price
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  Speaker 2: increases on almost every product we use. Unfortunately, in the
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  Speaker 2: next couple of weeks, we will have no choice but
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  Speaker 2: to increase some of our prices. How about this for
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  Speaker 2: R & E? Even the cafe that sells coffee to
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  Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers tried to warn him to ease up.
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  Speaker 5: I said to him on multiple occasions, your government is
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  Speaker 5: screwing my business. It's going to cost the general public
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  Speaker 5: more because we've had to raise our prices from the
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  Speaker 5: 1st of October to accommodate the fact that we have
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  Speaker 5: to absorb that surcharge.
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  Speaker 2: So how utterly clueless Albanese must be about what it
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  Speaker 2: takes to just run a business that he thought... banning
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  Speaker 2: the credit card surcharge would make coffee cheaper, would cut prices.
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  Speaker 2: She'll be right. I mean, it beggars belief. And I
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  Speaker 2: haven't even talked about all the other trouble this ban
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  Speaker 2: is causing. Like the tax office now telling business, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you can't actually accept payments now with credit cards, which
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  Speaker 2: is going to cause a lot of them big problems
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  Speaker 2: with cash flows for a start. You know, not being
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  Speaker 2: able to exploit the interest-free period of credit card repayments
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  Speaker 2: to pay tax bills over a few weeks. The whole
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  Speaker 2: thing's mad. And like I said, this is a small
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  Speaker 2: but perfect example of a government having no idea how
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  Speaker 2: to run a business, let alone an economy. So perhaps
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  Speaker 2: the even bigger example. So where is the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: today with costs of living through the roof? debt soaring.
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  Speaker 2: His popularity, by the way, taking another huge hit in
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  Speaker 2: that Redbridge poll, has never been more unpopular, with 27%
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  Speaker 2: unpopularity now. Where is Anthony Albanese? Well, he's not in
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  Speaker 2: his office trying to fix what he could fix. He's
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  Speaker 2: over in Fiji trying to fix what he can't, the climate.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Albanese has flown to Fiji with climate change
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  Speaker 2: minister Chris Bone, a real global warming extremist, for a
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  Speaker 2: pre-conference conference on global warming. So this is a conference
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  Speaker 2: before the big UN climate conference in Turkey later this
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  Speaker 2: year to discuss plan of action. What a waste of time,
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  Speaker 2: effort and your money. Now, that Chris Bowen, he was
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  Speaker 2: made president of negotiations for that UN conference in Turkey
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  Speaker 2: and he thought, hmm, I'll call the world leaders to
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  Speaker 2: this pre-conference to agree on a plan of attack and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, save the planet from a climate catastrophe that I,
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  Speaker 2: for one, cannot see. But, you know, Chris Bowen, planet-saving hero,
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  Speaker 2: has gone to his head. Problem is almost no world
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  Speaker 2: leaders outside some Pacific islands want to come. Global warming
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  Speaker 2: is so Yesterday now. Not that Bowen today wanted to
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  Speaker 2: admit he'd been snubbed.
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  Speaker 6: We have 2,000 stakeholders, 133 stakeholder events. Again, I'm told
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  Speaker 6: that just doesn't normally happen at precocs. They're much more
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  Speaker 6: sedate affairs for ministers and negotiators to sit around. We've
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  Speaker 6: really brought more people to the Pacific for good conversations.
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  Speaker 2: Nor did Chris Bowen today want to admit in a
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  Speaker 2: long interview on the ABC radio that how much of
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  Speaker 2: your money is wasted on this frolic until finally forced
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  Speaker 2: to agree with the figure of north of $ 20 million,
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  Speaker 2: $ 20 million of your money. The whole thing's a farce.
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  Speaker 2: With almost no world leaders coming, Bowen and Albanese's pre-conference
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  Speaker 2: conferences reduced to picking third-rate guest speakers with no climate
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  Speaker 2: expertise at all. They're just cheerleaders, fellow Labor cheerleaders, former
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  Speaker 2: Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard and former New Zealand Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Jacinda Ardern. And again here, you know, there's the
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  Speaker 2: sheer ignorance and destructiveness of this Labor government. Because, as
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, nothing Australia does can change the climate.
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  Speaker 2: We're just too small. But trying to change the climate,
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  Speaker 2: that is what's really killing us. I mean, You know,
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  Speaker 2: getting rid of cheap coal, that's causing massive rises in
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  Speaker 2: power prices. That's just for a start. Add the billions
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  Speaker 2: that are being wasted on useless green schemes. And when
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  Speaker 2: Albanese or Bowen, they try to explain why they're even
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  Speaker 2: trying over there in Fiji to change the weather. We
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  Speaker 2: get spectacular nonsense like this from Chris Bowen today. This
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  Speaker 2: is Bowen explaining why he was trying to get world
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  Speaker 2: leaders to also fly on from Fiji to Tuvalu to
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  Speaker 2: go stare with him at the ocean.
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  Speaker 7: To focus on the sorts of things that are at
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  Speaker 7: stake in our region, including going to Tuvalu, where the
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  Speaker 7: sea levels have risen already by around 15 centimetres over
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  Speaker 7: the last three decades, and the capital, Funafuti, is likely
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  Speaker 7: to be submerged at high tide by 2035 unless serious
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  Speaker 7: action is taken.
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  Speaker 4: For many of the nations represented by leaders here, It
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  Speaker 4: is literally a threat to their very existence.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, simply pathetic. Tuvalu's capital soon to drown as if.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the last big study of Tuvalu by top
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  Speaker 2: C-level experts at Auckland University in 2018 found it had
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  Speaker 2: actually grown in size, grown by 2.9% in the four
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  Speaker 2: decades to 2014. It is growing, it is not drowning.
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  Speaker 2: Is science also then dead under this government? That too?
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  Speaker 2: Is engineering dead? Because just building a levee around Tulu's capital,
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  Speaker 2: if high tide really does become a problem, that's just
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  Speaker 2: going to be so much more effective and cheaper than
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  Speaker 2: Or is this government really so mad that it thinks
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  Speaker 2: it can change the whole world's climate if it just
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  Speaker 2: spends even more billions of your money trying? Well, if
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  Speaker 2: it really is that crazy, there is no saving this country.
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  Speaker 2: Not while Labor is in power. And we too will
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  Speaker 2: live among ruins. Honestly, one... Other thing that I saw
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  Speaker 2: on my break, another example of how clueless this government
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  Speaker 2: is in managing an economy. As you know, it's run
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  Speaker 2: out of money. Despite a minerals boom and the biggest
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  Speaker 2: tax haul in 40 years outside the pandemic. So what's
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  Speaker 2: it rich for? Well, the one pot of money you
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  Speaker 2: still can see out there, which is your super savings.
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  Speaker 2: Trade Minister Don Farrell last week was in the US
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  Speaker 2: trying to make a trade deal on lamb and actually
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  Speaker 2: suggested sending some of that superannuation savings of Australians to
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  Speaker 2: the US to soften up the Trump administration.
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  Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Just read it yourself. Farrell said, let's look at ways
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  Speaker 2: in which the Australian lamb industry, Australian superannuation and the
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  Speaker 2: Australian government can work together with the Americans to boost
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  Speaker 2: lamb sales in the United States. Australian superannuation funds have
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  Speaker 2: an obligation to the national interest. No, super funds do
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  Speaker 2: not have such an obligation to help the government in
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  Speaker 2: what Labor defines as the national interest of its passing fancy.
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  Speaker 2: These funds have just one obligation, to get the best
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  Speaker 2: returns for members for their retirement. Full stop. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: who are these people running this country? Joining me is
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  Speaker 2: the panel, Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal President, Steve Conroy,
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  Speaker 2: former Labor Senator and Cabinet Minister. Michael Kroger, let's start
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  Speaker 2: with the government's ban on credit and debit card surcharges.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister claimed, oh, this is going to lower
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  Speaker 2: the price of even a coffee.
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  Speaker 8: False.
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  Speaker 2: And now you've got the ATO, the tax office, saying
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  Speaker 2: the ban means nothing. Well, businesses can't now pay tax
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  Speaker 2: liabilities by credit card, causing huge disruption. How could a
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  Speaker 2: government get something so simple so wrong?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Andrew, that in itself is simple.
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  Speaker 1: If you've never had any business experience, if you've never
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  Speaker 1: employed anyone, if you've never risked capital, how would you
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  Speaker 1: know about running a business? You know, I said to
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  Speaker 1: you a couple of months ago, of the 41 people
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  Speaker 1: who have been Prime Minister... Treasurer or Finance Minister since Federation,
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  Speaker 1: that's 125 years ago, not a single one of those
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  Speaker 1: 41 has ever opened and operated their own business. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I can only find three who've been In business, Whitlam
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  Speaker 1: was a self-employed barrister, Keating part-time manager of a rock band,
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  Speaker 1: and Ted Theodore was a mining prospector. And in the
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  Speaker 1: last 125 years, Andrew, for the party of the worker,
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  Speaker 1: the party of Labor, I can only find one person
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  Speaker 1: of those 41 in the last 125 years who's ever
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  Speaker 1: employed anybody with their own money.
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  Speaker 3: And that was between 1947 and 1952.
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  Speaker 1: Gough Whitlam had a part-time secretary when he was a barrister.
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  Speaker 3: So you want to know the answer?
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  Speaker 1: People have no idea about business works because they've never
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  Speaker 1: been in business, never run a business with their own money.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, they have no idea what they're doing. And
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing all of the evidence of that unfold before
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  Speaker 1: us in Australia today, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm a bit distracted. Peter Costello is a part-time
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  Speaker 2: neighbour in the village next door, the town next door.
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  Speaker 2: I think I heard a scream from that direction. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: leave that aside. Stephen, how do you explain something so
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  Speaker 2: simple being so wrong, this ban on credit cards, surcharges,
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  Speaker 2: that clearly is not going to lower prices?
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  Speaker 9: Well, I've enjoyed the general frothing at the mouth. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: I'll just double check.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was the Reserve.
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  Speaker 9: Bank that made this decision, which somehow apparently is now
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  Speaker 9: the government. So the Reserve Bank ran a process, whether
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  Speaker 9: we agree or disagree with the outcome. But last time
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  Speaker 9: I checked, it is widely touted, and I'm sure by you,
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  Speaker 9: as should be independent from the government. So let's just
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  Speaker 9: actually identify who's made the decision to go down this path.
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  Speaker 2: Why isn't the Prime Minister taking credit for it then?
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  Speaker 3: No, that's a different issue, Andrew.
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  Speaker 9: Don't divert away from that this is a decision the
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  Speaker 9: Reserve Bank made. Now, let me just take us, all
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  Speaker 9: three of us are old enough to know, remember when
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  Speaker 9: they tried to close all the bank branches and push
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  Speaker 9: us out and they said ATMs, there'll never be any
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  Speaker 9: fees on ATMs and the banks put fees on ATMs.
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  Speaker 9: And then a few years later they go, oh, we
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  Speaker 9: want everyone banking online.
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: Don't worry. There'll be no fees.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: And now everyone's online.
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  Speaker 9: And what the banks have been doing is trousering all
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  Speaker 9: the money from charging these fees to small businesses and
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  Speaker 9: everybody else. So this is about bank greed. And Reserve
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  Speaker 9: Bank said enough is enough. And you're not allowed to
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  Speaker 9: charge them anymore. Now the banks are still charging in
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  Speaker 9: a direct sense to the small businesses. So they're the
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  Speaker 9: ones stuck in the middle here. What the banks should
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  Speaker 9: be doing and what you should be doing is.
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  Speaker 3: Having a crack.
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  Speaker 9: At the banks to stop them putting these extra charges on, which, remember,
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  Speaker 9: we're talking about a flick here. It doesn't cost anything
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  Speaker 9: other than once.
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  Speaker 2: You've created the infrastructure. What should the government be doing, Stephen?
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  Speaker 2: What should the government be doing?
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  Speaker 9: The government should be telling the banks as well to stop. Well, yes,
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  Speaker 9: those really profitable banks that are trousering all the money
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  Speaker 9: on small businesses, they're the ones actually charging the small businesses.
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  Speaker 9: What the small businesses have done is tried to pass
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  Speaker 9: it on. The Reserve Bank said no more. And what's happening,
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  Speaker 9: small business is being hit by, like everybody else, the
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  Speaker 9: economy being really, really, really tough at the moment. And
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  Speaker 9: consumers are being hit. So small business is being hit
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  Speaker 9: from both sides. But the people who have actually been
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  Speaker 9: causing the price increase, the banks.
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  Speaker 3: The banks, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Should be the ones that actually should be dealt with.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, your response, your response. I actually played the
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  Speaker 2: clip of Albanese saying this is a great idea.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I actually played the clip of Albanese saying this was
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  Speaker 2: a great idea. Now we're told nothing to do with
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  Speaker 2: the government.
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  Speaker 3: No, nothing to do with it. What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying the banks. No, it's all the banks.
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  Speaker 3: It's completely the banks' fault. Actually, it is. Well, look, Andrew...
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  Speaker 3: Keep defending the banks, Michael.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's all the banks' fault. Jim Chalmers has
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  Speaker 1: got a line for tomorrow. And by the way, Andrew,
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't quite sure about your Your quip about Peter Costello,
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  Speaker 1: what did that mean?
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was a treasurer that never actually employed anyone,
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  Speaker 3: I think was the point.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he did, and he spent a whole decade working
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  Speaker 1: for small businesses, Stephen, from dollar stores.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't say it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if that's what Andrew means, then Andrew's wrong. I
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  Speaker 3: didn't say it either. Well, I don't know what you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about.
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  Speaker 9: Well, Michael, why are you defending Peter Costello?
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  Speaker 3: That's why I mentioned him.
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  Speaker 2: Because he wants to maintain the perfect friendship they have.
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  Speaker 8: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He also won the tax prize at Monash in 1977
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: as the top tax.
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  Speaker 3: As a student. Anyway, moving right along, Andrew. The problem
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  Speaker 3: with Labor is this.
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  Speaker 1: They have no understanding of risk. If you've never worked
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  Speaker 1: in business or run a business, Albert was a bank
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  Speaker 1: teller for five minutes and Jim Chalmers has never worked
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  Speaker 1: in the private sector. So why would you think they
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  Speaker 1: would understand anything about small business?
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  Speaker 3: The answer is they don't.
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  Speaker 2: I've just given you the history. Well, maybe Albanese is
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  Speaker 2: a quick study.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he learned in six months a lifetime of financial management. Andrew,
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  Speaker 2: they have no idea what they're doing. The Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, Stephen... No, I got that bit.
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  Speaker 3: I know that.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen, the Prime Minister is at this climate pre-conference in Fiji. Now,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: I've got to say, to me, that looks like a
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  Speaker 2: government that's completely lost focus with all the problems back home.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about throwing more billions at the, you know,
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  Speaker 2: global warming, millions at these Pacific Island nations with their
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: begging bowls out, you know, give us climate cash. I mean, seriously,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: what's he there for?
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  Speaker 9: Look, Andrew, firstly, I think happy birthday is due for
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  Speaker 9: your celebration, I understand. But we've known each other a
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: very long time and I admire your consistency on climate issues.
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: You have been opposed to the debate on your side.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, here we go.
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  Speaker 3: for the day... No, no, for the day.
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  Speaker 11: But.
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  Speaker 3: But... No, I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know what's happening. You're trying to paint me
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: as an extremist when I'm against the extremists.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: No, no, let me finish my sentence.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: You know, like I'm ideologically committed. I'm not looking at
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: the facts. I've presented the facts.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: Andrew, Andrew, you've jumped.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: What you're doing.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I know what you're doing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Just answer.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: What is he doing there?
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: Andrew, I know you pepped up after a good holiday. No,
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: I'm actually saying I admire your consistency.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: The.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Issue here is.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: OK, you're not going to answer.
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: whether they rowed the boat themselves to the islands, you
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: would still criticise them for attending even if they rowed
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: the boat. It wouldn't matter is the point I'm making.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: No, at least praise them for consistency. Michael, what do
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: you think of it all? No, they are as consistent.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, in the Financial Review poll this morning, 73%
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of people said that cost of living was a major issue.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: And 13 one three, said global warming was an issue.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: 13%.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: So is he going on the right track? No, he
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be there. He should be back in Australia dealing
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: with issues here. The other thing, by the way, Andrew,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: about the financial review poll, which no one has yet
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: figured out, is there's a 9.2% two-party preferred swing against Labor.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: If an election was held tomorrow, and we know it's
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: not and blah, blah, blah, we know all that, and
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: we know Dutton was ahead in February, we know all that,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: But if there was an election held tomorrow, Labor would
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: lose 35 seats. They'd be gone from 94 to 59.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Taylor would be Prime Minister and Chris Bowen, Chris Bowen
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: would lose his seat. The 35th seat is Bowen's seat
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: on 9.8, 9.02%. And the swing at the minute against Labor,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: the two-party preferred, is 9.2%. So Albanese would get wiped
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: out if an election was held tomorrow. And the one
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: thing he can't do at the next election, which he
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: could at the last election, he can't buy his.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Way out of trouble.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: So he did that in 22 and 25. Labor did
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: it here in Victoria in 18 and 22. One thing
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Ben Carroll can't do down here is spend billions and
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: billions because the state's broke.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: God, I wish you were great.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: He will not be able to cut student debt.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: He will not be able to give all these free
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: giveaways and he is in real trouble.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Mate, they'll throw everything. They'll throw everything at it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: No, they won't. They won't, Andrew.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: They won't. They can't. Michael Crow, this is Stephen Conroy.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Lovely to talk to you again.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Well, great.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Look, guys, thank you so much. I enjoyed that very much.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. After the break, a warning to
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: the West. Those shocking riots in France as the hard
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: left joins with thugs and the children of immigrants to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: attack their own state. I said at the top of
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: the show I spent my holidays looking at the ruins
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: of past civilisations and I I actually do wonder if
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: that could one day include France's as well. France right
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: now is looking at almost a civil war in its
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: streets against people who seem determined to destroy it. You've
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: got students, many seemingly from migrant families, Muslim families, or
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: leftists whipped up, police say, by members of a hard-left
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: political party, La France Insoumise, like this mayor of Saint-Denis,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Bali Bagayoko.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Money! Money!
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: Money!
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: Money! Money!
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: Money!
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Honestly, a mayor dancing by a fire outside a school.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: This started supposedly a protest for better schools, can you
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: believe it? But it's actually burned schools down instead. Burned
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: or ransacked 24 of them so far. And protesters, or
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: thugs really, they've attacked teachers, injured 78 of them, including women.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: They've even poured petrol on some, including principals. One woman
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: even had her face torched by a protester after asking
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: nicely for them not to destroy things. Police have been attacked,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: including this female officer who was kicked down and then
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: kicked in the body. More than 5,000 people, most of
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: them juveniles, have been arrested so far. And more than
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: 400 schools today were shut down or partly closed to
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: protect students and staff. Now, these supposed protesters for better schools,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: as if, have also looted shops and burned buses and
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: cars and terrorised train travellers. CHEERING Now, something striking is
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: how many of the protesters are waving the Palestinian flag,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: which underlies, for me, a clash between the West and Islam,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: or a clash, in this case, between Western civilisation and
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: its enemies. I don't, by the way, see Jewish students
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: torturing their schools. Joining me is the country's top foreign
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: affairs writer, Greg Sheridan, the Australian. Greg, great to see
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you again. What is going on in France and what
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: lessons should we take from this?
• 24:09
  Speaker 10: Well, Andrew, great to be with you. Welcome back. The
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: country has been bereft at your absence. Don't take such
• 24:16
  Speaker 10: a long holiday again. Look, this is a very serious situation.
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: I'm not important, but I've been writing about this for
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: 10 or 15 years. All through France, in big cities,
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: there are no-go zones. There are millions of people unintegrated, undigested,
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: if you like, immigrants from North Africa and the Arab world.
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: The kids are more radical and more alienated than the parents.
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: There's a lot of research showing this. A brilliant book
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: a few years ago, The French Intifada, full of sociological
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: research showing how much, how many immigrants' kids hate France.
• 25:00
  Speaker 10: And What you're seeing now is a really grotesque alliance
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: between the far left and the Islamists. At the same time,
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: you're seeing the failure of the net zero and green
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: policies in France, which are impoverishing France. It's suffering a
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: declining living standard, de-industrialisation.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And you've got these.
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: Very alienated, very violent groups on the streets, which the
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: French state has not cracked down upon. And The rule
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: of law is breaking down. Now, France, the consoling idea
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: is that France has these episodes from time to time
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: and recovers from them. But this is a very grave
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: and serious matter when schools are centres of violent, murderous,
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: anarchic disorder manipulated by the far left and the Islamists,
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: both of whom hate French society.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I know that there's actually a party, of the hard left.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to be running a presidential candidate.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: It's got no chance, but they will be. Whipping it on,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: exploiting this. This is mainstreaming that kind of attack on
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: France itself. Talking of the war against the West, Greg,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: that Omani pilot who was said to be a jihadist
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: who last week attacked his fellow pilot with an axe,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: believe it or not, to take over a fly Dubai
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: plane filled with Israelis until some of them jumped on him.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: It is now reported in Israel that the hijacker planned
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to crash that plane into Israel's Ben Gurion Airport just
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: outside Jerusalem. It's a miracle he was stopped. But what
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: impact will even just this attempt have on the Middle East?
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: Well, this is another very serious, very troubling development. Of course,
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: you know, the human race should be cheered up by
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: the magnificent miracle that occurred high above Saudi Arabian skies,
• 27:01
  Speaker 10: carried out by a brave Indian pilot and very brave
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: Israeli passengers. If I'm on a plane being hijacked, I
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: want to be sitting next to Israeli passengers. But the hatred,
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: the anti-Semitic hatred, I've written about this in tomorrow's newspaper,
• 27:22
  Speaker 10: The Australian, the two great sources of contemporary hatred of
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: Jews in the world today are the Islamic and Arab
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: traditions of antisemitism and the new traditions of antisemitism on
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: the left of Western politics. And Western democratic governments are
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: not confronting this. I mean, the Albanese government, in my view,
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: has been an abject failure in giving any moral leadership
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: on this. Let me say, the Albanese government is not antisemitic,
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: nothing like that, but they are abject failure in giving
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: leadership against antisemitism. And partly it's a crude and terrible
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: game of mathematics. There are more than a million Muslims
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: in Australia and 100,000 Jews. So even cynical politicians who
• 28:06
  Speaker 10: are not ideologically on the left or on the Islamist
• 28:09
  Speaker 10: band length, they just count the votes. And really this
• 28:16
  Speaker 10: is a grave challenge for Western societies. Yeah, and it's
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: not a challenge we're meeting well. It's a wonderful moment
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: for the Israelis to have triumphed in the air like that.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: But how grotesque that this can happen.
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: And then Penny Wong and Anthony Albanese say that Israel
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: should create a Palestinian state, presumably to be ruled by
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, just tomorrow, just miraculously, forgetting
• 28:44
  Speaker 10: about all this terrorism, all this politics, all.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: This anti-Semitic hatred.
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: And these fantasies, they try to foist these fantasies on Israel.
• 28:54
  Speaker 10: And it's against reason and it's wrong.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, we're talking about anti-Israel. Again, I'm also
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: not saying that David Shoebridge is anti-Semitic, but he certainly
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: is virulently anti-Israel. Now the new leader of the Greens
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: has got a really extremist agenda that In fact, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: this really amazes me, I thought the left were all sold,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: at least the European left, on helping Ukraine beat fascist Russia,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: the Russian invasion. Not so David Shoebridge. He's confirmed he
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: also now wants to cut off any military help to Ukraine.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: He said, you know, we're a party of peace and non-violence.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: and we don't support military aid to the Ukraine. It's
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: not the Ukraine, David, it's Ukraine. But we've also made
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it clear that we oppose Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. Now, Greg,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: is he just telling Russia that it's naughty to save
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Ukraine and expecting Russia just to go home, that you
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: don't need shooty bang-bangs to stop it? Yeah, I mean,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: internationally and in Australia, the Greens are now a very
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: extreme movement. They are 1,000 times more extreme than Pauline
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Hanson's One Nation ever dreamt of being. And I would
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: love it for the ABC to start calling the Greens
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the far left or the extreme left or something. So
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: if you are opposed to military aid to Ukraine, you
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: are objectively in favour of Russian rape.
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: And murder in Ukraine. But that is the green position.
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: Everything in the green position is extreme and kind of mad.
• 30:33
  Speaker 10: You know, they want to stop our mineral industry. They
• 30:37
  Speaker 10: want to stop every source of wealth for Australia. They
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: have insane immigration policies. Shoebridge was the most moderate.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Greg, you said objectively they're pro-Russia that way because the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: effect will be to cement Russia's invasion. I think they're
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: also objectively anti-West. I think that's basically it. Enemies of
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the West. I think I can't see any other way
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: around that. Greg Sheridan, great to talk to you. Thank
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: you so much for your time. After the break, Pauline
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Hanson's Strange policy launch. Should her party get more serious?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Victoria's going to the polls in just under eight weeks.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: It's the next big test for this rampaging One Nation.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And it held a policy launch on Saturday with federal
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: leader Pauline Hanson. One Nation candidate Mark Nicholson said he
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: wanted two former Labor premiers of Victoria jailed. And Pauline
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Hanson said too right when she spoke to Rebel News
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: journalist Avi Yamini.
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: Daniel Andrews and Jacinta Allen in jail by Christmas.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Do you agree? Oh, yeah.
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: Of course.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: If we take Victoria back, then we can lock them up.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I think Hanson should know better than to report this.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump-style vindictive political legal warfare. I mean, people have
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: got to be held to account by all means, but
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: don't forget she herself was once jailed unfairly after a
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: political witch hunt. I supported her through that. But that
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: launch got even crazier. One Nation made this launch the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: start of a law and order campaign, promising much tougher
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: punishment of violent crime, going after even children. So how
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: strange then, a law and order policy launch that Pauline
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Hanson should praise Ned Kelly. as an inspiration, you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the good old Victorian spirit, when Kelly was in fact
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: a horse thief and murdered three policemen.
• 32:42
  Speaker 13: This is the state of Ned Kelly. This is the
• 32:45
  Speaker 13: state of the Eureka stockade, where the miners of Ballarat
• 32:50
  Speaker 13: raised a flag, drew a line in the sand and
• 32:54
  Speaker 13: told the government, their government, enough.
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: That is the Victorian spirit.
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: Tenacious, independent... bad-minded and not easily pushed around.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: Joining me are Lisa Goddard, former foreign correspondent and founder
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: of Adoni Media, and once we get the connection back up,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Michael Danby, former federal Labor politician and chairman of the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade. Lisa,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Hans's policy launch, was it a breath of fresh air
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: or a bit reckless, or maybe both?
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: Well, firstly, welcome back, Andrew. And how good is it
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: to have some technical issues on your first night back?
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: So you're well and truly back in the hot seat.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Look, I think watching... More time for you.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, well, yeah, thank you.
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: Come on, Michael. Watching that launch on the weekend, it
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: certainly did what it was intended to do, which was
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: ramp up the Victorian base of One Nation. You know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: I don't know if you think back to what the
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: Labor Party events like that are. You find certain politicians
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: not even sort of, you know, happy to take a
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: kiss on the cheek. They're turning the cheek to each other.
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: So.
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: One nation is certainly building in momentum, and I've heard
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: it described as from a ripple to a wave to
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: now that orange tsunami from South Australia coming across. Look,
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: I agree with you. Nobody wants to say that or
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: make any reference at all, be it a joke, be
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: it a random line that was thrown out of having
• 34:12
  Speaker 8: some sort of political prisoner. I think there is a
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: very real argument here for a royal commission into what
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: happened in that state. during COVID. I don't think anybody
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: would argue with that. What I think happened and what
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: it looks like is that there was a line thrown
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: out there that shouldn't have been put out and was
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: taken well and truly out of context and gave the
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: media exactly what they need. Because when I first saw
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: that headline, it was Pauline Hanson and putting Jacinta Allen
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: and Daniel Andrews in prison. They weren't referencing Mark Nicholson
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: until you read further down. So Yes, perhaps she was
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: caught up in the hype when she answered Rebel News
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: and she shouldn't have said that. But I think at
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: the end of the day, they're trying to identify with
• 34:52
  Speaker 8: Ned Kelly, not as the man, but.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: As the message.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: Because as you said, there is this real anti-establishment vibe
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: or sentiment, if you like, sweeping across Victoria. And goodness
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: knows it's about time. We thought Stockholm syndrome would end
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: after Daniel Andrews and COVID. He got back in. Now,
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: this time, we're all hoping that the Victorians have actually
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: opened their eyes and are looking for a real alternative.
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: And whether that is, you know, a Liberal Party and
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: a One Nation team that ends up running that state,
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: I think that would be great news.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I am very sensitive about political or ideological
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: justice crusades and all that because Victoria is, of course,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: the state that jailed the totally innocent Cardinal George Pell,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: and I want a clean break with all that kind of,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I was going to say a bad word, but not
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: on my first day back. One Nation is brilliant at
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: getting attention, of course, as you suggest there, Lisa. It's
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: also a lot of fun, you know, colour movement, while
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Labor and the Liberals are damn dull. And Labor, of course,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: is a disaster in government, both in Victoria and federally. But,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: you know, I've just got to wonder whether being cheeky
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and fun is enough. I'm really wanting One Nation to
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: be a genuine alternative government.
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: Well, look, they've launched a 63-page brochure. So, hey, following
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: the Liberal Party steps, at least they've got the document
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: there that we'll see held up now for the next
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: eight weeks. But if you dig into that, and I
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: know you mentioned it in your column, but options like,
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: let's turn to the 10,000-odd veterans that are in Victoria...
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: and see who could actually join the Victorian police force. That,
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: in my opinion, is good, strong policy, and that's what
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: the people of Victoria want to see. You can go
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: out there and issue all of the motherhood statements you
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: like when you're talking about having to turn the state around,
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: and they've been putting so much pressure on One Nation
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: to say, well, let's see your policy.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: What are you actually doing?
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: What are you proposing? Well, at least we saw a
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: 63-page document which outlined... some really clear detail. And, you know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: as you say, one of those was bringing down the
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: age of criminalisation to 10. I think a lot of
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: people who have had home invasions, cars stolen, seen the
• 37:03
  Speaker 8: crime that they live in fear of every day in Victoria,
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: I think they would support that.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know about 10, but certainly... Honestly, the
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: justice system in Victoria is so broken. Michael, One Nation,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: is it time to get serious or is its future
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: really in, you know, hot soundbites, controversy, colour movement, a
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: bit of cheekiness? Don't take it too seriously.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: No.
• 37:33
  Speaker 12: Mark Nicholson is a very talented animator, but it's a
• 37:37
  Speaker 12: mistake and lack of experience to call Andrew Hastie a traitor.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Or to give the bad faith media... I thought it
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: was disgusting....
• 37:47
  Speaker 12: The opportunity to mislead your words by saying you're going
• 37:51
  Speaker 12: to jail your political opponents. Now, if you dig deep
• 37:54
  Speaker 12: into what he said, he didn't really mean that, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 12: it gave an opportunity for every network that doesn't like
• 38:01
  Speaker 12: One Nation to bag them, and a more experienced person
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: wouldn't have done that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Sorry, Lisa, go ahead.
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: Well, I was going to say, I would push back
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: on that because you see, when you talk about an
• 38:16
  Speaker 8: experienced politician, look at Anthony Albanese. You know, he makes
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: mistakes on the fly. I think why people are looking
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: to One Nation is because they are real people. And
• 38:24
  Speaker 8: I think the average voter who is going to support
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: One Nation will forgive things like that. They're not judging
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: them like we are on every word, on every headline.
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  Speaker 8: They're actually saying, well, you know what? I like you
• 38:35
  Speaker 8: because you are a normal person. And if they make
• 38:39
  Speaker 8: a flippant remark, which we will judge harshly, I think
• 38:42
  Speaker 8: the average Joe is going to go, look, overall, I
• 38:44
  Speaker 8: had a gut feel.
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  Speaker 3: With the rest of them. You're right, Lisa.
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  Speaker 2: Authenticity is important.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Authenticity is important.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think, yeah, authenticity is important, but you've also
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: got to prepare for government. I think, Lisa, you are right, though.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I think you are right. And to all the people
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: that say, oh, give Pauline Hanson a go, I give
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: her lots of goes. I've defended a few others. The
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: point is, you know, we don't play favourites here. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: just because I criticise something that One Nation does, does
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: it certainly not in Victoria particularly mean that I want
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Labor to win instead? They desperately need to be sacked. But, Michael,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: what are the odds? You're a Victorian. What are the
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: odds that One Nation will do well in the Victorian election?
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think they're less visible than they are in
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: New South Wales and Queensland. and I suspect they'll run
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: behind the Liberals. The key question is, is can they
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: deliver their preferences to the Liberals? Can they win some
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: seats themselves? Can they get Mark Nicholson elected in the
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: Victorian upper house and have some influence in the upper
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: house in a conservative majority or as minor partners in
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: in a Liberal-led government here, which will be very difficult
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: for the Liberals, but that's, I think, the most likely scenario.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I think they may well control the balance of power
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: in the Upper House, and I think that'll be gold.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: They'll be quite influential if they get that, even if
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: they don't do so well in the Lower House. But
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: we shall see. We shall see. Lisa Goddard, Michael Damby,
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  Speaker 2: thank you very much to you both. Sorry about the
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: technical issues there, Michael. We'll add more time to the
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  Speaker 2: panel next week. Thank you very much. After the break,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor, remember him? He's now taking legal action against
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: the police who dared to arrest this bum royal. Andrew
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Mountbatten-Windsor is back, and I don't know whether he's just
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: completely brazen or desperately worried, he's in the shtook. He's
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: taking legal action against the police who he claimed Claims
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: have done him wrong. Now, who can forget that photo
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: of a shocked Prince Andrew back then, hiding in the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: back of a car after being arrested over his ties
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  Speaker 2: to pedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein, who allegedly pimped out a
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: teenage girl to him, Virginia Giuffre, who's since tragically committed suicide. Andrew,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: who's been stripped now of his royal titles, was grilled
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  Speaker 2: by police over claims that he gave Epstein confidential information
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  Speaker 2: as a British trade envoy. although he has not been
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: charged yet or whatever. What's more, Mountbatten-Windsor has now launched
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: legal action, though, against Thames Valley Police over that arrest
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: in search of two of its properties. Joining me from
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: London is Talk TV host and Bolt Report regular, Samara Gill. Samara,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: great to see you again. What is Mountbatten-Windsor's beef?
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  Speaker 11: His beef is that he can't quite believe the fall
• 41:47
  Speaker 11: from grace that he has had. Honestly, the fact that
• 41:50
  Speaker 11: he's trying to wash himself of this mess, Andrew, is deplorable.
• 41:55
  Speaker 11: He's not going to have reputation rehab because his lawyers
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: decided that he could go after the police for, you know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 11: maybe unduly arresting him.
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  Speaker 3: It's not true.
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  Speaker 14: I mean.
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  Speaker 11: When I was reading the report, it said that some
• 42:06
  Speaker 11: police officers said that they could have just brought him
• 42:08
  Speaker 11: in for questioning and they didn't need the theater of
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: going up to Marsh Farm and basically the middle of
• 42:14
  Speaker 11: the night on his 66th birthday and arresting him. And
• 42:19
  Speaker 11: I think Andrew also believes that he was sort of.
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: part of a plan to make the royal family look better. Well,
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: I'm sorry, Andrew, meaning former Prince Andrew, not you, Andrew,
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: but you brought the royal family into disrepute.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I felt spoken to.
• 42:35
  Speaker 11: There's too many Andrews. You've brought the royal family into dispute.
• 42:40
  Speaker 11: And I think that he doesn't quite understand that. You know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: listening to Andrew Lowney, another Andrew, who is the royal
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: biographer and who wrote Entitled, he says that really it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: business as usual behind the scenes. And this guy is
• 42:55
  Speaker 11: acting as if nothing has happened. He's looking at places
• 42:59
  Speaker 11: in France. He's still messing with all his bourgeoisie friends.
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  Speaker 11: And I think he truly believes that he will never
• 43:06
  Speaker 11: be held accountable for what he allegedly did. And the
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: charges were not ones to do with the women. It
• 43:12
  Speaker 11: was about misconduct in public office, which was really serious.
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: And when you read some of those files, you can
• 43:19
  Speaker 11: see why he was arrested so forcefully and brought in
• 43:23
  Speaker 11: for questioning. And I just think This guy is ridiculously
• 43:27
  Speaker 11: entitled and he may just get away with it. Him
• 43:30
  Speaker 11: and Sarah Ferguson, twiddle-dee and twiddle-dum, will potentially get away
• 43:35
  Speaker 11: with all this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but what does he think police have done wrong?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't... And, you know, is this really, like...
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: If I'd been charged with or, you know, accused of
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the kind of thing he's been accused of, I would
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: bury myself six feet under and never surface, never show
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: my face. So this guy pops up again in the news,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: or is it the fact that he thinks, oh, my gosh,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: they've got me banged to rights, I've got to try
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: every legal trick to stop it? I don't know.
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  Speaker 11: No, it's a good question. I mean, he might win
• 44:09
  Speaker 11: against the police, but he's lost spectacularly in the court
• 44:12
  Speaker 11: of public opinion. There's no coming back from this.
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  Speaker 2: And as you say.
• 44:17
  Speaker 11: He really, really, there's literally, even if he is exonerated,
• 44:20
  Speaker 11: even if maybe they arrested him too aggressively or whatever,
• 44:23
  Speaker 11: or they didn't have the right paperwork or somewhat, he
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: is still absolutely hated and vilified to the public because
• 44:30
  Speaker 11: they do see him for what he is. I mean,
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: there's the book entitled, which has over 300 deplorable accounts
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: of people who have you know, shared, you know, business
• 44:42
  Speaker 11: dealings with Andrew, been in the same room as him,
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: seen how he's treated people. He would make people come
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: in and stand up. And, you know, as he walked
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: into a room, this is a guy who really, really
• 44:53
  Speaker 11: cashed in on being mummy's favorite for many years and
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: got away with so much that was swept under the carpet.
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: So I'm I think he really, as you say, just
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: needs to go off to Marsh Farm, enjoy his early
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: retirement and just see if he can get through this
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: without ending up in jail.
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  Speaker 2: I showed earlier horrendous footage from France of utterly feral
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: students attacking schools, attacking teachers, attacking other students. I had
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: footage of, which I didn't show tonight, of a white
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: student being attacked. attacking police, attacking the public, many of
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: them waving Palestinian flags too. Also, there were a few
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Algerian ones in there. This is going to feed into
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: British politics as well, isn't it?
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 45:45
  Speaker 11: And it's deplorable to see the video of the police
• 45:47
  Speaker 11: officer being kicked as well. Just shows you the full
• 45:50
  Speaker 11: societal breakdown that Europe is going through at the moment.
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: We've already seen similar scenes where youths have decided to
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: meet up at shops like JD Sports, which are popular
• 46:00
  Speaker 11: sporting shops, and go and raid them, go and go
• 46:03
  Speaker 11: to the local supermarkets. And these meetups are becoming more
• 46:06
  Speaker 11: and more popularized. And of course, I've got time for
• 46:08
  Speaker 11: peaceful protest. But they are not entitled to turn their
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: communities into a battlefield in France. And unfortunately, this will
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: bleed into Europe because there's no control whatsoever. There are
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: no arrests and youths just don't fear the law in
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: the same way they used to. And unfortunately, that egg
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: is very difficult to unscramble now, especially with the way
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: that people are being brought up just with no sense
• 46:34
  Speaker 11: of responsibility for their own actions. And I think we
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: will see more of this in Britain.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, we just had yet another gang brawl between
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: youths in another Melbourne shopping centre. I think it was yesterday, whatever.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Just terrible. Just quickly, you've also had five men. This
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: is sort of touching on this. Arrested trying to apparently
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: get to a British Air Force base, RAF Fairford. Apparently,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: allegedly on orders from Iran. Now there's a report the
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: US has urgently pulled its bombers out of that airfield
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: and after reports of a fresh terror plot. Iran will
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: be laughing to see America flee. What do we know
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: about this?
• 47:16
  Speaker 11: Well, Iran will be laughing because, I mean, we've let
• 47:20
  Speaker 11: now six alleged or suspected terrorists go out on bail.
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: I mean, what other country does that to suspected terrorists?
• 47:29
  Speaker 11: I think the US is horrified.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 47:31
  Speaker 11: By how Britain deals with extremism, and I don't blame
• 47:34
  Speaker 11: them for pulling their bombers out of RAF Fairford. It
• 47:38
  Speaker 11: was a long time coming with the disrespect Labor has
• 47:41
  Speaker 11: had for the Trump administration's firm hand.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: That's absolutely right, Samara Gill. Thank you so much for
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: your time. Just one last thing, the organisers of the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Brisbane Olympics have now officially released their logo for the
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Brisbane Olympics in 2032. A cockatoo motif, we're told, which
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: is a relief to the kangaroo who's gone viral on
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: social media.
• 48:04
  Speaker 14: Brisbane 32, the emblem. Yeah, look, everyone thought it'd be
• 48:09
  Speaker 14: me again, you know. Yeah, nah, mate, I've done the
• 48:11
  Speaker 14: coat of arms, coins, airlines. I've been carrying this nation's
• 48:15
  Speaker 14: brand since 1901 and, like, you know.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's a pretty shot, too.
• 48:21
  Speaker 14: So cockatoo, yeah, great.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Give someone else a chance, I reckon. Like I said,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: that logo is supposedly meant to represent a cockatoo, but
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I wonder whether that flaming red symbolises instead another Queensland native,
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: the all-conquering Pauline Hanson. I reckon once people see this,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: it's one bit of merch that's really going to take
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: off with One Nation. That's it from me. Coming over
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: to Shari Markson. Good night.