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Why The Chaney Pod — Our Origin Story and What’s Ahead · The Chaney Pod

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SPEAKER_00: Hey everyone, I'm Michael Einbinder-Schatz, here with my co-host John DiCarlo.
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SPEAKER_00: John, how are you today?
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SPEAKER_01: Doing great.
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SPEAKER_01: It's wonderful to see your face and happy to be talking to you as always.
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SPEAKER_00: This is kind of exciting because we decided to do a little intro for a teaser.
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SPEAKER_00: So what the hell does that mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Well, for those of you out there in podcast land,
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SPEAKER_00: John and I have been working on a podcast called The Chaney Pod.
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SPEAKER_00: You've clicked on this, you probably know this already, for over two years at this point.
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SPEAKER_00: And 11 months ago, we recorded what I'm going to call our teaser, our origin story.
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SPEAKER_00: And we decided to come back to you today,
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SPEAKER_00: and we're recording this in September of 2026,
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SPEAKER_00: because we're getting close to release.
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SPEAKER_00: And we thought the one thing that was missing...
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SPEAKER_00: From this origin story,
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SPEAKER_00: and by the way,
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SPEAKER_00: the origin story is our connection to Temple University Basketball,
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SPEAKER_00: our connection to John Chaney, why this is such a passion project for us.
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SPEAKER_00: But since then, we've had a number of interviews.
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SPEAKER_00: We're super excited about it and just thought that this would be a good opportunity
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SPEAKER_00: to give you an idea of what's in store.
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SPEAKER_00: So John, why don't you kick off telling us a little about who we have coming on the show?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, as you know,
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SPEAKER_01: and we want to relay this to everybody who's listening,
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SPEAKER_01: we did not want to do this without the blessing of John Chaney's family.
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SPEAKER_01: And that meant going to his daughter-in-law, Maria Chaney, and his son, John Chaney Jr.
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SPEAKER_01: If you've ever met them, you know that they are incredible, incredible people.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you've met John Jr., I'm sure I'm not the first person to say this to him.
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SPEAKER_01: It is like having a conversation with John Chaney himself.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, his voice,
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SPEAKER_01: the way he carries himself,
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SPEAKER_01: it is really, it's enough to make you kind of emotional thinking about it, you know?
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SPEAKER_01: And they have been so kind.
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SPEAKER_01: And we told them that the first interview would be with them.
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SPEAKER_01: And they were just incredible, incredible.
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SPEAKER_01: Incredible guests and told us so much about Coach Chaney on the court,
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SPEAKER_01: off the court, stories that we had not heard before.
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SPEAKER_01: And our time spent with them is something that we really, really cherish.
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SPEAKER_01: And we continue to stay in touch with them about this project and created
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SPEAKER_01: an advisory board of people who we bounced ideas off of,
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SPEAKER_01: several of whom we're going to be interviewing.
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SPEAKER_01: So that's the first episode, the first full episode that you're going to hear.
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SPEAKER_01: And like I said, our time with them is something that I know you and I both really treasured.
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SPEAKER_00: It was fantastic having them on, John.
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SPEAKER_00: And of course, I look forward to having them on more times in the future.
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SPEAKER_00: They're just wonderful people, great storytellers.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you're going to be talking about John Chaney and building this oral history biography...
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SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure that it starts with the players, but the players have to be a major focus.
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SPEAKER_00: And I love that John Chaney's history is a rich tapestry that touches in so many areas.
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SPEAKER_00: But hitting on the players, we've already had conversations with several.
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SPEAKER_00: Mike Frieswick,
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SPEAKER_00: Nate Blackwell,
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SPEAKER_00: John Chaney's first recruit at Temple,
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SPEAKER_00: Leonard Stewart, and of course, John Baum, who didn't play for Chaney.
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SPEAKER_00: But got to know him, you know, deeply in their time working together at Temple.
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SPEAKER_00: John, of course,
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SPEAKER_00: himself a Temple legend and captain and should have been MVP of
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SPEAKER_00: the 1969 NIT championship team.
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SPEAKER_00: But that's another story.
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SPEAKER_00: These are great voices.
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SPEAKER_00: These are people who have amazing stories to share.
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SPEAKER_00: You'll be hearing them soon on The Chaney Pod.
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SPEAKER_00: And of course...
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SPEAKER_00: What stories about John Chaney would be complete if we didn't also go to the media?
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SPEAKER_00: And John,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm going to get your perspective on the people we've had on because you are
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SPEAKER_00: a member of the media, of course.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's been a privilege to talk to so many members of the media
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SPEAKER_01: who covered John Chaney,
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SPEAKER_01: got to know John Chaney, starting with someone like Larry Rosen.
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SPEAKER_01: If you grew up in the Philadelphia area
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SPEAKER_01: and you remember watching those big five games on PRISM,
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SPEAKER_01: You remember seeing Larry Rose in courtside, hearing his voice.
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SPEAKER_01: We talked to Mike Felici, who produced so many of those radio broadcasts.
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SPEAKER_01: The stories that they've shared with us have been great, are going to continue to be great.
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SPEAKER_01: Mike Kern at the Daily News and Mike Jensen, the Philadelphia Inquirer.
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SPEAKER_01: Mike Jensen has a book coming out in December,
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SPEAKER_01: so you're going to hear that episode a little bit later on in the season here.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, Mike Kern and Mike Jensen covered John Chaney.
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SPEAKER_01: As well as any two reporters I know,
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SPEAKER_01: you're going to hear from Dave Jones,
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SPEAKER_01: who used to cover John Chaney during his time at the Harrisburg Patriot News.
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SPEAKER_01: So many people think of Dave from his time covering Penn State in college football,
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SPEAKER_01: which he did wonderfully.
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SPEAKER_01: So he got to know John Chaney very well.
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SPEAKER_01: And so we're really looking forward to talking to him as well.
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SPEAKER_01: And we already recorded a conversation with Kevin Nagandhi, my friend, who's up at ESPN.
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SPEAKER_01: Kevin and I were student journalists studying at Temple at the same time,
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SPEAKER_01: and Kevin was kind enough to share his time there.
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SPEAKER_01: So it sounds cliche,
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SPEAKER_01: but sometimes reporters talk about being able to empty the notebook,
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SPEAKER_01: and this is kind of one of those occurrences where you just think of stuff
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SPEAKER_01: that they never wrote about,
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SPEAKER_01: or maybe they wrote about it years ago, but Covering John Chaney was such a treat.
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SPEAKER_01: If you had half a brain and half a heart, you learned so much from him just beyond basketball.
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SPEAKER_01: I know that sounds very trite and cliche,
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SPEAKER_01: but hearing from members of the media who covered him has been a treat for us
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SPEAKER_01: as well, just to get their perspective on the podcast as well.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: And members of the media also include folks like Alan Rubin, who,
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SPEAKER_00: while he never covered Temple,
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SPEAKER_00: was formative in covering Philadelphia area high school sports.
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SPEAKER_00: For Hoop Scoop.
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SPEAKER_00: For Hoop Scoop for years and years.
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SPEAKER_00: Years ago when I was doing Philly Hoops newsletter,
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, there was never a game I went to where I didn't see Alan.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: All the coaches in the Philadelphia area and beyond depended on his reports
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SPEAKER_00: to provide good scouting information on players that they should be recruiting.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course,
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SPEAKER_00: these are the days before,
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SPEAKER_00: you know, videos and everything was available on the Internet.
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SPEAKER_00: So hearing his voice and the star rankings, right.
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SPEAKER_00: And he, of course, Allen is a Temple grad as well.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's got that great perspective.
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SPEAKER_00: And then, of course, how about the coaches?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, at this point, we've already talked to Frank Dunphy for the first time.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm sure we'll be talking with him again.
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SPEAKER_00: We will be speaking with many, many other coaches.
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SPEAKER_00: You can rest assured.
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SPEAKER_00: So, all in all, John, I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: it's been fun so far,
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SPEAKER_00: but as we really kick it into gear here,
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SPEAKER_00: it's going to be an exciting year ahead for The Chaney Pod.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think people are going to be really...
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, as you said, Michael, this is just the start of it.
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SPEAKER_01: You touched on something that makes me think about the whole spirit of this too.
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SPEAKER_01: You may have heard some of these stories before.
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SPEAKER_01: You may not be surprised by what you hear,
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SPEAKER_01: but you're going to hear some stories you have not heard before.
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SPEAKER_01: And we always just as,
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SPEAKER_01: not just as podcasters and content creators,
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SPEAKER_01: but just as human beings,
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SPEAKER_01: sometimes when we've heard some of our guests say,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: haven't told this story in a while,
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SPEAKER_01: or I kind of reflected back on it and I'm realizing now what it really meant to me.
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SPEAKER_01: Whether it's hearing a story for the first time or hearing some of the stories
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SPEAKER_01: that you've heard before,
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SPEAKER_01: hearing them through the people's eyes and ears that were around John Chaney and
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SPEAKER_01: in his orbit.
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SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of what we want to bring to you with the podcast here.
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SPEAKER_01: So this is just the start of it.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, we're incredibly, incredibly grateful to the people who have spent so much time with us.
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SPEAKER_01: But this is just the beginning,
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SPEAKER_01: and we're really, really happy to have you all listening and tuning in for this.
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SPEAKER_01: And we have a lot more to come for all of you.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and first episode with John Chaney Jr. and Maria Chaney will drop in two weeks.
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SPEAKER_00: So keep your eye open, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.
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SPEAKER_00: And without further ado, here's our origin story episode.
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SPEAKER_00: Hi, everyone.
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SPEAKER_01: Michael Einbinder-Schatz here.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm here to introduce you to something special today.
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SPEAKER_00: You might have noticed this coming up on your Life Lessons Collective feed.
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SPEAKER_00: So you're thinking, hey, we're going to get another lesson.
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SPEAKER_00: We're going to have a fascinating guest.
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SPEAKER_00: But that's not what this is.
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SPEAKER_00: What I'm here to introduce you to is a project that I've been working on,
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SPEAKER_00: along with my partner here, John DiCarlo, for the past almost two years.
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SPEAKER_00: And it's a new podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is what would be typically called, I guess, a teaser episode.
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SPEAKER_00: In the parlance of the industry.
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SPEAKER_00: John Chaney.
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SPEAKER_00: Now, John and I,
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SPEAKER_00: John DiCarlo and I will talk about why Chaney,
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SPEAKER_00: why Temple basketball is important to each of us, both separately and together.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'll talk a little bit about the oral history format and why I think it is
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SPEAKER_00: the perfect vehicle.
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SPEAKER_00: For this.
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SPEAKER_00: But as this evolved,
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SPEAKER_00: the initial thought being a biography,
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SPEAKER_00: an actual book,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
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SPEAKER_00: old school,
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SPEAKER_00: something you could hold in your hand or swipe on on your Kindle,
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SPEAKER_00: your tablet device,
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SPEAKER_00: I got clear that really the perfect vehicle for doing the research would be
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SPEAKER_00: a podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: Because John Chaney, the man, the stories about him,
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SPEAKER_00: With him, by him, they're legendary.
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SPEAKER_00: And he was a complex individual.
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SPEAKER_00: And one that, while I knew him, I did not know him well.
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SPEAKER_00: John knew him a lot better.
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SPEAKER_00: But going to Temple,
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SPEAKER_00: when I went to Temple,
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SPEAKER_00: seeing the impact he was having,
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SPEAKER_00: not just on the university and the sports team,
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SPEAKER_00: great to root for a winner,
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SPEAKER_00: but also the impact that he was having In the national consciousness of sport
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SPEAKER_00: and academics and opportunity and trying to raise up people and make a difference,
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SPEAKER_00: creating true opportunity for those
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SPEAKER_00: who are often underserved made me feel like I was on the right team at a time
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SPEAKER_00: in my life where that was something that was pretty important.
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SPEAKER_00: So we're going to be bringing you stories on this.
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SPEAKER_00: We'll talk a little bit more, but this is a teaser.
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SPEAKER_00: This is just to let you know that this is something that's been coming.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not something that we've been working on lately.
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SPEAKER_00: John DiCarlo here and I have been working on this for almost two years.
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SPEAKER_00: And I want to take a minute and introduce John.
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SPEAKER_00: And John, I want to kind of kick this off by asking you, why Temple?
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SPEAKER_00: How did John Chaney enter your consciousness?
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SPEAKER_00: What appealed to you about the idea of this project?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, first of all, thank you for asking me to do it.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm honored and appreciate all the work that you've put into it,
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SPEAKER_01: your perspective, your thoughtfulness.
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SPEAKER_01: It's been wonderful.
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SPEAKER_01: And we're really excited for what's ahead today.
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SPEAKER_01: It is fun to reflect on it.
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SPEAKER_01: I think you did a beautiful job of summing up John Chaney,
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SPEAKER_01: a guy that's not easily summed up in a couple minutes.
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SPEAKER_01: Like you said, he's complex.
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SPEAKER_01: He's all these different things and you absorb a lot from him and having been around him.
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SPEAKER_01: And I remember like my intersection with John Chaney was, yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: I grew up from the time I was 10 out in Downingtown,
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SPEAKER_01: out in the suburbs of Philadelphia.
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SPEAKER_01: And, uh,
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SPEAKER_01: I transferred to Temple as a sophomore and I watched Philadelphia College basketball
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SPEAKER_01: and admired the hell out of him and had wanted to be a sports writer for
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SPEAKER_01: a long time.
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SPEAKER_01: And I thought, okay, when I get to Temple, I want to work for the Temple News.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's a trip because now I work at Temple full time.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm the managing director of student media there.
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SPEAKER_01: I advise the paper.
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SPEAKER_01: Never thought I'd get into Working in higher ed.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I do that and still cover Temple football and basketball separate
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SPEAKER_01: from my full-time job for Al Scoop.
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SPEAKER_01: But looking back at the mid to late 90s,
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SPEAKER_01: I thought I'm hopefully going to be covering this man and his career.
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SPEAKER_01: And I wonder what it's going to be like.
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SPEAKER_01: Am I going to be intimidated by him?
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SPEAKER_01: Am I going to be nervous?
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SPEAKER_01: And you're always nervous when you're younger.
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SPEAKER_01: And I transferred into Temple my sophomore year and kind of got,
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SPEAKER_01: just got my feet wet, wanted to make sure my grades were good.
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SPEAKER_01: My friend Kevin DeGandhi assigned me my first story at the Temple News.
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SPEAKER_01: And then it was my junior year when I started covering the team.
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SPEAKER_01: And you kind of ease yourself into it and slowly but surely you realize, yeah,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm still kind of in a healthy way,
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SPEAKER_01: not like in a fam way,
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SPEAKER_01: but you're in awe of this guy because every interview, I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: There were no wasted words.
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SPEAKER_01: It was fun whether they beat George Washington by 25 or whether they lost
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SPEAKER_01: a close game to another team by two points.
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SPEAKER_01: Every press conference meant something.
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SPEAKER_01: Any snapshot of practice that you could see was pretty special.
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SPEAKER_01: You really came to realize that this guy had a ton of depth, a ton of warmth.
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SPEAKER_01: He gave me,
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SPEAKER_01: from the time I was working at the Temple News,
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SPEAKER_01: just as much time as somebody from the New York Times or Sports Illustrated.
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SPEAKER_01: And even if there were a couple of times where I thought,
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to ask this question, he might bite my head off for it.
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SPEAKER_01: Sometimes he'd play with you and then he'd smile and wink and say,
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SPEAKER_01: no, and he would answer the question.
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SPEAKER_01: And He was just one of the coolest, warmest, most complex, like you said, human beings.
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SPEAKER_01: But you learned very early on what he was about.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes, it was about winning basketball games.
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SPEAKER_01: He wanted to win.
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SPEAKER_01: He was competitive.
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SPEAKER_01: But when you start,
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SPEAKER_01: you know,
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SPEAKER_01: Rashid Brokenborough was one of the first basketball players that I covered
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SPEAKER_01: at Temple.
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SPEAKER_01: And I was a hoops junkie.
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SPEAKER_01: Again, having transferred to Temple,
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SPEAKER_01: couldn't wait to be part of that college basketball culture.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: I knew that Rasheed was a Prop 48 player,
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SPEAKER_01: but I didn't really know the depths of how much John Chaney was going to help him.
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SPEAKER_01: And when you hear about a guy who grew up in West Philadelphia and was raised
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SPEAKER_01: by his grandmother and John Chaney and said,
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SPEAKER_01: well, I'm going to take a chance on him.
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SPEAKER_01: And you saw the transformation from freshman year Rasheed Brokenboro,
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SPEAKER_01: who had to sit out as a Prop 48 player.
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SPEAKER_01: To sophomore year,
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SPEAKER_01: Rashid Brockenbrough,
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SPEAKER_01: who was so shy, painfully shy, that he could barely make eye contact with reporters.
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SPEAKER_01: And he graduated in four years,
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SPEAKER_01: and by the time he graduated as a senior, he sounded like a CEO of a company.
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SPEAKER_01: And yes,
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SPEAKER_01: it was wonderful that he was also a terrific basketball player
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SPEAKER_01: and helped them win games.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm not trying to lose sight of that,
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SPEAKER_01: but the intersection of purpose and basketball success,
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SPEAKER_01: I was very lucky,
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SPEAKER_01: and I'm sure just about everyone else that you would talk to for this.
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SPEAKER_01: You plug in a Mike Jensen, a Mike Kern, a Kevin Nagandi, a John Feinstein.
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SPEAKER_01: We were lucky to be around him because his energy,
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SPEAKER_01: his approach to how he coached basketball,
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SPEAKER_01: how he worked with players, all the things that he talked about.
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SPEAKER_01: I might butcher this again as I did when we were talking to John and Maria Chaney.
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SPEAKER_01: That expression he had of when you reach for the ceiling,
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SPEAKER_01: you want to make sure that you bring the floor up with you and create opportunities.
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SPEAKER_01: Before you knew it,
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SPEAKER_01: you were just around him and you're like,
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SPEAKER_01: wow, I'm learning a lot about him, about life.
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SPEAKER_01: You just looked forward to every interview and every conversation.
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SPEAKER_01: That has to be genuine because some coaches are used car salesmen
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SPEAKER_01: and you figure out very early on that He was not like that.
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SPEAKER_01: He was amazing to cover,
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SPEAKER_01: amazing to stay in touch with,
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SPEAKER_01: amazing to write about his retirement story,
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SPEAKER_01: and now just amazing to be able to do this and reflect on his life.
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SPEAKER_01: We've talked about how hopefully one conversation and one interview is going
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SPEAKER_01: to lead us to the next, and hopefully this will continue to grow.
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SPEAKER_01: I love what you said about the podcast being the reporting tool for this,
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SPEAKER_01: for an oral history podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: You know, because it's the common thread is stories.
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SPEAKER_01: Everybody has a story about him,
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SPEAKER_01: but they're not just like these throwaway stories that you find yourself laughing,
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SPEAKER_01: you find yourself crying, but he just was truly, truly one of a kind.
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SPEAKER_01: And so to be able to just do something like this and reflect on his legacy and
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SPEAKER_01: then hear about it through other people has been amazing so far.
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SPEAKER_00: You mentioned it's sort of perfect in a teaser episode that you mentioned
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SPEAKER_00: that we've had a conversation with John and Maria Chaney,
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SPEAKER_00: John Jr., who are both actually on our advisory board.
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SPEAKER_00: You also mentioned Kevin Agandhi, Mike Kern, Mike Jensen are members of our advisory board.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, these are people who are who.
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SPEAKER_00: Gave us immediate yeses, and how can we help?
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SPEAKER_00: Which, I mean, John,
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SPEAKER_00: you're much more well-known to these people than I am, but they didn't do it for us.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, they might like us,
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SPEAKER_00: but they did it for the legacy of Coach Chaney,
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SPEAKER_00: what he meant to them, and their belief in the project.
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SPEAKER_00: I think for me what's interesting is we did an interview with John Maria Chaney.
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SPEAKER_00: That will be our first episode other than this episode of us yammering here.
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SPEAKER_00: But one of the fun things was that we've compiled a list of probably a couple
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SPEAKER_00: of hundred people that we want to talk to and will be talking.
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SPEAKER_00: I can't think of too many reasons why most people who Didn't have some association
19:08
SPEAKER_00: with Temple Basketball and John Chaney in general.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Won't want to sit down and have a conversation and share their stories, their experiences.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: And I think one of the things that's most exciting to me is the unknown.
19:27
SPEAKER_00: When we talk to...
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SPEAKER_00: Somebody, who will they mention that we haven't thought about?
19:32
SPEAKER_00: What story will they bring up that we know we have to now go talk to somebody else?
19:37
SPEAKER_00: And being able to slowly scratch the surface of things and slowly let
19:41
SPEAKER_00: the stories evolve over time.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: And will we talk to people that have so many stories that we have to talk
19:47
SPEAKER_00: to them multiple times?
19:49
SPEAKER_00: Well, of course we will.
19:52
SPEAKER_00: And that to me is going to be an exciting process because again,
19:57
SPEAKER_00: Coach Chaney was an authentic individual, complex.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: I think you nailed it.
20:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, he was, for me,
20:10
SPEAKER_00: in my interactions with him,
20:11
SPEAKER_00: which were far fewer than you had, but a number of them over the years.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: And I'll just give a moment of background here.
20:17
SPEAKER_00: I...
20:19
SPEAKER_00: Besides being a Temple student and I arrived at Temple in 81, Don Casey's last year.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: And surprisingly,
20:25
SPEAKER_00: despite the fact that I was a huge basketball fan coming in,
20:29
SPEAKER_00: I struggled in my freshman year.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: I came from a high school in Brooklyn that had 36 kids in And I mean, I was doing fine.
20:36
SPEAKER_00: I was a city kid.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: There was nothing about Philly that freaked me out,
20:52
SPEAKER_00: but the university environment,
20:54
SPEAKER_00: getting involved in the university social life and the sports life was something
20:58
SPEAKER_00: that I think I sort of hit out a little bit that first year.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: And in fact,
21:05
SPEAKER_00: the only Temple basketball game I went to my freshman year was at Alumni Hall at St.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: John's during like winter break.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: And I'm shouting from the,
21:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm shouting from the upper reaches of Alumni Hall,
21:16
SPEAKER_00: watch out for, watch out for I think it was 24 because it was Chris Mullen.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: I knew about Chris Mullen because I'd known about him since eighth grade in Brooklyn.
21:27
SPEAKER_00: Everyone knew about Mullen.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: And they beat Temple that day.
21:32
SPEAKER_00: But I wasn't a big fan.
21:34
SPEAKER_00: Next year, I started going to games, and that was Chaney's first year.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: And they were 7-14 at one point,
21:39
SPEAKER_00: but then Granger Hall had gotten injured in the fifth game,
21:45
SPEAKER_00: and they were really struggling, and they railed off seven wins in a row.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: And came within,
21:52
SPEAKER_00: you know,
21:52
SPEAKER_00: one win of making the NCAA tournament with a team that was really struggling
21:56
SPEAKER_00: to find their identity.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: And I was a fan of that 14 and 15 team.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: And then the next year, boom, they just went on a run.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: That was,
22:06
SPEAKER_00: what was it,
22:07
SPEAKER_00: 17 NCAA tournaments in 18 years and ultimately being a number one team in
22:12
SPEAKER_00: the country, five Elite Eights, all of that stuff.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: But my interactions with Chaney himself,
22:19
SPEAKER_00: the person really started when,
22:20
SPEAKER_00: And my friend Don Russell and I started publishing a newsletter called Philly Hoops
22:25
SPEAKER_00: in 19, I want to say 1990, or I think it was 90 or 91.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: And we only published for two seasons.
22:33
SPEAKER_00: It was great.
22:34
SPEAKER_00: And Don was a writer for the
22:38
SPEAKER_00: We had a lot of fun doing that and had a lot of opportunities.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: We were covering basketball citywide, high school, college.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: It was way too big a project, but it was a fun project.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: I got to sit down with Coach Chaney a number of times.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: He was as real as they came.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: Of anyone that I interviewed,
23:03
SPEAKER_00: my sense of him was you just walked in the room,
23:07
SPEAKER_00: like if I was talking to another coach,
23:10
SPEAKER_00: there might be a point where you could see they let their guard down, right?
23:14
SPEAKER_00: That you got through to that coach, whoever that coach might be.
23:19
SPEAKER_00: Like, what does this person want from me?
23:23
SPEAKER_00: With Chaney, the guard was never there.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: The important
23:26
SPEAKER_00: thing was I walked into the room and he was just him.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: There was no pretense.
23:32
SPEAKER_00: There was nothing he had to put down.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: There was no bullshit.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: He was just going to tell you.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: You asked a question, he was going to tell you what he thought.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: I remember one conversation when I said he had been recruiting kids and he had
23:45
SPEAKER_00: a morning of being on the phone with them.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: And I said, you know, what do you think with it?
23:48
SPEAKER_00: And he goes, oh, I hate this shit.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: You got to kiss their asses.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: You got to do this.
23:54
SPEAKER_00: You got to say all this stuff.
23:55
SPEAKER_00: Tell them they're the most important person in the world.
23:57
SPEAKER_00: And again, this was the first question I was asking him on this day.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: He wasn't looking for that right response.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: He was just being.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: And man, I just appreciated that so much.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: It just made it so much more fun.
24:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:15
SPEAKER_01: You would go into interviews and Sure.
24:17
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: A lot of reporting is relationship building and building trust.
24:45
SPEAKER_01: And there were high school coaches that I covered in my time working in New Jersey
24:52
SPEAKER_01: that it took time to build trust because I was a guy that didn't grow up
24:56
SPEAKER_01: in South Jersey.
24:56
SPEAKER_01: And with John Chaney,
24:59
SPEAKER_01: I really felt like he treated me the same way as somebody who,
25:03
SPEAKER_01: again, would have been a nationally or internationally known reporter.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: It was just, hey, what do you need?
25:09
SPEAKER_01: I can't ever remember him saying to me, we're going off the record here.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: And sometimes he'd crack you up and say, hey,
25:17
SPEAKER_00: print that.
25:21
SPEAKER_01: Even if I was like, are you sure you want me to?
25:24
SPEAKER_01: So it was, again, I don't know.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: We'll never.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: Mike Curran says this a lot.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: He will say, John Chaney's not walking through that door.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: Mike Jensen says that all these people who – To your point earlier,
25:38
SPEAKER_01: we really appreciate it because I think that people are saying yes to talking to us,
25:42
SPEAKER_01: not because we're anything special,
25:43
SPEAKER_01: just because the story of John Chaney's legacy is special.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: And so many people say, John Chaney's not walking through that door again.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: And they're right.
25:50
SPEAKER_01: And I realized with revenue share and the portal,
25:55
SPEAKER_01: college basketball is completely different and
25:57
SPEAKER_01: the world surrounding it is different,
25:58
SPEAKER_01: but we'll never see the likes of him again in terms of How he carried himself.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: And so I so many times I go into an interview and I would say I'd look down
26:09
SPEAKER_01: at my notebook and say,
26:10
SPEAKER_01: I didn't get to the last six or seven questions I wanted to ask him.
26:13
SPEAKER_01: But then you come to the realization that those questions weren't nearly
26:17
SPEAKER_01: as important as I thought because he gave me something else to to think about.
26:22
SPEAKER_01: And so he was he was just absolutely amazing in that way.
26:27
SPEAKER_01: And as a young reporter, to be able to see that and think he's not just this scary guy.
26:33
SPEAKER_01: On the sidelines,
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SPEAKER_01: he was a big,
26:35
SPEAKER_01: you know,
26:35
SPEAKER_01: to tease again to our,
26:36
SPEAKER_01: you know,
26:37
SPEAKER_01: our interview with John Jr.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: and Maria Chaney,
26:42
SPEAKER_01: Maria told us like he was a teddy bear and he used to say to her, don't,
26:46
SPEAKER_01: don't let them know, don't let them know that they're on a soft side, but he did.
26:49
SPEAKER_01: And he, he,
26:50
SPEAKER_01: you would see it in his words,
26:51
SPEAKER_01: his deeds, his actions to, to borrow his, you know, some of his phrasing, but.
26:57
SPEAKER_01: It was really, really special to be around him.
26:59
SPEAKER_01: And so many people in the reporting community had that same story.
27:02
SPEAKER_01: And yeah,
27:03
SPEAKER_01: if he got upset with anything that you wrote or if you asked something,
27:10
SPEAKER_01: Just like a friend or a family member, he'd let you know.
27:12
SPEAKER_01: He wasn't passive-aggressive,
27:14
SPEAKER_01: and then you talked about it, and you hashed it out, and then you moved on.
27:17
SPEAKER_01: He didn't carry it with him for weeks or months or two seasons later,
27:21
SPEAKER_01: say, I'm not going to talk to you because two years ago you wrote this or said this.
27:24
SPEAKER_01: He was just absolutely amazing in that way.
27:28
SPEAKER_01: So I'm really looking forward to hearing some of those common threads with people
27:33
SPEAKER_01: and, like you said, one story that will – That will lead to the next.
27:37
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it's just truly special in that way.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: It's going to be a lot of fun.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: I want to piggyback on something I said before that you sort of followed up on.
27:47
SPEAKER_00: And this is about the lack of pretense,
27:50
SPEAKER_00: the lack,
27:51
SPEAKER_00: you know, that you got the real John Chaney from the moment you sat down with him.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: And...
27:58
SPEAKER_00: The point you were making about used car salesmen,
28:01
SPEAKER_00: and I just think that's not very kind, John, to used car salesmen out there.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: They have to pay the bills too.
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SPEAKER_00: I drive a used car.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm going to get into it after we record this episode.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm getting into a used car.
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SPEAKER_01: I respect the used car salesman community.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
28:17
SPEAKER_00: The damage is done, John.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: But all kidding aside,
28:22
SPEAKER_00: there are a lot of And John Chaney was not unique in that.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: I don't want to build him up too much.
28:29
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of people who give you who they really are.
28:31
SPEAKER_00: But there is an interesting thing that he combined with it,
28:34
SPEAKER_00: which was a basic decency, respect, and kindness piece where he...
28:40
SPEAKER_00: I never got to say,
28:41
SPEAKER_00: he didn't look down on, I mean,
28:43
SPEAKER_00: let's just take it as an example and maybe I'll take some shit from this
28:47
SPEAKER_00: from some quarters,
28:48
SPEAKER_00: but you know,
28:49
SPEAKER_00: another person who you got the real person seemingly right away was Bob Knight,
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SPEAKER_00: right?
28:56
SPEAKER_00: He didn't hold back,
28:57
SPEAKER_00: but He always or often seemed like he was looking down upon whoever was like,
29:04
SPEAKER_00: who are you to ask me that question?
29:06
SPEAKER_00: And I think there was a lack of kindness and decency there.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: Jim Boeheim was that way.
29:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a little bit of the
29:16
SPEAKER_00: snark, a little bit of the snark.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: And again,
29:18
SPEAKER_00: these are brilliant people,
29:19
SPEAKER_00: great coaches,
29:21
SPEAKER_00: maybe great,
29:22
SPEAKER_00: you know, in personal interactions with people they respected, let's say.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: But again, my experience, your experience.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: And the other thing that I had experienced with Chaney was that there was no pretense.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: What you saw was what you got.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: He let you know where you stood.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: There was just something very real, and I know it's an overused word, but authentic about that.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: And just to get back also to why an oral history for me,
29:51
SPEAKER_00: I want to just take a minute and just share a little bit
29:54
SPEAKER_00: about why basketball is important to me.
29:55
SPEAKER_00: And I've been thinking about this a lot.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: I went to a funeral in Brooklyn the other day for the mother of a couple
30:01
SPEAKER_00: of my dear friends from middle and high school.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: And as I'm walking in,
30:06
SPEAKER_00: the guy who's walking in right in front of me is our former basketball coach,
30:10
SPEAKER_00: Dennis McDermott,
30:11
SPEAKER_00: who was like the star at St.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: Francis College in Brooklyn, right across the street from my high school.
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SPEAKER_00: Graduated, I want to say, in like 72.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: He loved to tell stories about Marvin.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Kevin Barnes kicked his ass when they played Providence in one game.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: But Dennis was the real deal,
30:41
SPEAKER_00: and he was a yeller and screamer,
30:43
SPEAKER_00: which probably is the reason I chose not to play basketball in high school.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: I was probably good enough to have been sixth or seventh man by my senior year.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: I was a senior year for a little private school, but basketball was important.
30:55
SPEAKER_00: I was the manager.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: My friends were on the team, again, a tiny,
30:59
SPEAKER_00: tiny school,
31:00
SPEAKER_00: and there were seminal moments when I was in high school going Going up
31:06
SPEAKER_00: and watching Iona coached by Jim Valvano with Jeff Ruland and Glenn Vickers beat St.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: Francis,
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SPEAKER_00: and then going and watching that same Iona team blow out Louisville
31:19
SPEAKER_00: in Madison Square Garden, one of,
31:21
SPEAKER_00: I believe,
31:22
SPEAKER_00: two losses Louisville suffered that year when they won the national championship
31:26
SPEAKER_00: in 1980.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Many, many other events.
31:29
SPEAKER_00: Seeing Albert King play in high school because they play a game at St.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: Francis,
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SPEAKER_00: you know,
31:33
SPEAKER_00: when Albert King was the best player in the country,
31:36
SPEAKER_00: this stuff just seared into my head.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: Watching the best team in New York City,
31:40
SPEAKER_00: Mater Christi with Red Bruin who went to Syracuse and Vern Fleming who went
31:45
SPEAKER_00: to Georgia and played in the NBA.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: Watching them beat the McCray brothers and the best team in New York State,
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Mount Vernon,
31:52
SPEAKER_00: 39-game winning streak with plays at the end of the game
31:55
SPEAKER_00: that I still remember like they happened yesterday
31:57
SPEAKER_00: because it was unbelievable basketball.
32:01
SPEAKER_00: And then I come down and I go to Temple.
32:04
SPEAKER_00: And so basketball is just rooted in who I am.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: And I still don't understand, other than what I explained, why I didn't
32:14
SPEAKER_00: Really jump into it my freshman year.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: But then having Chaney there and having this whole Watching these teams evolve
32:24
SPEAKER_00: and go to the NCAA tournament and being the number one team in the country in 87,
32:28
SPEAKER_00: 88,
32:29
SPEAKER_00: and then watching Chaney be this warrior
32:34
SPEAKER_00: for what would now be called social justice, right?
32:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that term existed back then,
32:39
SPEAKER_00: but we saw the problems inherent with Prop 48 and so many schools not giving people
32:46
SPEAKER_00: an opportunity because they didn't have the numbers on the SAT test
32:50
SPEAKER_00: and Chaney insisting, hey,
32:53
SPEAKER_00: we're going to bring these kids to Temple because it also fit
32:56
SPEAKER_00: with Russell Conwell's vision of acres of diamonds and all of this.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: So it was like, yeah, our coach was the good guy.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: And yes, we were winning.
33:07
SPEAKER_00: But we were also a program.
33:08
SPEAKER_00: We played a fierce zone defense.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: Nobody wanted to play Temple in March.
33:13
SPEAKER_00: And that was our guy.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: That was our program.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: And over the years,
33:18
SPEAKER_00: as I read more and more about him and then got to know him when I was doing
33:21
SPEAKER_00: the newsletter and then afterwards with other interactions,
33:23
SPEAKER_00: it was like the stories were incredible about him, told by him, told by others.
33:33
SPEAKER_00: And some of them are uncomfortable.
33:35
SPEAKER_00: But I just thought when I started thinking about this,
33:39
SPEAKER_00: it was because I was influenced by two books about basketball,
33:44
SPEAKER_00: both by Terry Pluto, one called Loose Balls and one called Tall Tales.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: And Loose Balls is about the ABA team.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: The history of the NBA and Tall Tales is about the earlier days of the NBA.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: And both of those books are oral histories.
34:00
SPEAKER_00: It's a format that I love.
34:02
SPEAKER_00: I love hearing multiple voices tell a single story.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: I know I've rambled on a little bit about that,
34:09
SPEAKER_00: but those were the influences for me that made it clear that,
34:12
SPEAKER_00: hey, I know there have been a couple of books about Chaney.
34:34
SPEAKER_00: They took a different approach.
34:35
SPEAKER_00: Nothing wrong with that.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm glad they're out there.
34:38
SPEAKER_00: But I have felt for a long time that an oral history biography
34:43
SPEAKER_00: of Coach Chaney would be something that could make a difference.
34:50
SPEAKER_00: What the heck?
34:52
SPEAKER_00: While gathering that research, why not put those stories out there?
34:56
SPEAKER_00: Because I think people are going to want to hear the voices,
34:58
SPEAKER_00: John, of people who can speak to why Coach Chaney mattered.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: I think back to when John Chaney retired in 2006,
35:11
SPEAKER_01: Temple Magazine,
35:13
SPEAKER_01: that was the alumni magazine,
35:14
SPEAKER_01: and that's what it was called at the time,
35:17
SPEAKER_01: And they reached out to me and asked if I would write his retirement story.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: And I said, yes, sure.
35:24
SPEAKER_01: And then I remember like a little bit of a brief feeling of panic setting in
35:28
SPEAKER_01: and thinking, oh boy, how am I going to do this?
35:33
SPEAKER_01: Because when a university communications office asks you to do something like this,
35:39
SPEAKER_01: there are,
35:39
SPEAKER_01: and I don't even mean this in a bad way,
35:40
SPEAKER_01: there are just a lot of cooks in the kitchen.
35:42
SPEAKER_01: And I remember I might've shared this story with you And they sent me a list
35:47
SPEAKER_01: of everybody who they wanted me to reach out to and get into the story.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: And it numbered close to 20 people.
35:52
SPEAKER_01: Unless you're writing like a 6,000-word rager of a story for like The Atlantic
35:57
SPEAKER_01: or Esquire, you normally don't have that many voices in a story ever.
36:01
SPEAKER_01: And like Bill Clinton was on that list.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: I thought, I don't know if I have dealt my Rolodex, but I'll try.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: And his press people politely denied my request.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: But I remember thinking – I want to get this right.
36:15
SPEAKER_01: I want to get this right.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: I could have flubbed the story and John Chaney would go on living his life,
36:20
SPEAKER_01: but you think of like what voices do I blend into it and how do I get this right?
36:25
SPEAKER_01: Who do I talk to?
36:27
SPEAKER_01: And from my little corner of the world in writing this,
36:31
SPEAKER_01: he made it so incredibly easy because I tried to capture who he was and it That time
36:40
SPEAKER_01: in his life.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: And there were just so many anecdotes within that time period.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: His retirement speech, he's quoting Sinatra.
36:45
SPEAKER_01: I'm a sucker for that.
36:46
SPEAKER_01: I love Frank Sinatra.
36:48
SPEAKER_01: That ties me to my father.
36:50
SPEAKER_01: And my dad loved John Chaney.
36:53
SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to get that right.
36:55
SPEAKER_01: And I wasn't sure how the story was going to go.
36:58
SPEAKER_01: And I want to give a nod to my friend, John Longacre.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm the editor of Al Scoop.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: John owns the site and has always given us whatever we've needed.
37:07
SPEAKER_01: And John can be He loved John Chaney,
37:12
SPEAKER_01: and John's an opinionated guy and an opinionated fan,
37:15
SPEAKER_01: but he read the story and he loved it,
37:17
SPEAKER_01: and we were just talking about it,
37:19
SPEAKER_01: and that meant a lot to me to hear his feedback on it because I remember saying
37:26
SPEAKER_01: to him, I hope I get this story right.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: I hope I don't flub it,
37:29
SPEAKER_01: and I wasn't trying to overestimate my place in the world in writing a story,
37:33
SPEAKER_01: but you put a healthy amount of pressure on yourself,
37:36
SPEAKER_01: but I remember – The imagery and trying to capture that.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: But I remember thinking at the time, oh, I could have talked to this person.
37:44
SPEAKER_01: I could have talked to that person.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: You know it's impossible.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: You're not going to get everybody.
37:49
SPEAKER_01: And so now, what I think of now is being able to do this and being able to do this oral history.
37:56
SPEAKER_01: It's a treat.
37:58
SPEAKER_01: It's so much fun to be able to do it with you because – There are countless numbers
38:03
SPEAKER_01: of people that we could talk to,
38:05
SPEAKER_01: and as we said before, one person will lead us to the next.
38:08
SPEAKER_01: And to get the blessings of people,
38:11
SPEAKER_01: like Mike Jensen has an incredible,
38:13
SPEAKER_01: incredible book that's going to be coming out soon within the next year.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: Mike Kern.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: I think I said this to you a couple of times that we've met with John and Maria
38:24
SPEAKER_01: to get their blessing on it.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: And over the summer, to get our first advisory board meeting together.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's you and I sitting on the back deck or back patio,
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SPEAKER_01: PubWeb, just a couple blocks off Temple's campus.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: And it's the two of us, Mike Kern, Mike Jensen, Mark Zumoff, John and Maria Chaney.
38:44
SPEAKER_01: And We had an agenda for the meeting,
38:47
SPEAKER_01: and it just kind of, in a healthy way, got into some stories.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: I think I remember saying to you, how lucky were we?
38:53
SPEAKER_01: This is going to sound really cheesy, but perfect summer night.
38:57
SPEAKER_01: The breeze is hitting us.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: We're eating some good food,
39:00
SPEAKER_01: and we're talking about one of the most influential people in college sports,
39:05
SPEAKER_01: period, and you're hearing it through.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm really looking forward to people hearing from Maria.
39:12
SPEAKER_01: A woman who – I mean called her father-in-law dad.
39:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean it was like he was so instrumental in her life.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: And when you hear John Chaney Jr.'s voice,
39:22
SPEAKER_01: my goodness, his mannerisms, his voice, it's like you're talking to Coach Chaney.
39:27
SPEAKER_01: And to be able to just sit there – and I said to you, like,
39:30
SPEAKER_01: how lucky were we to just like sit there for a couple hours and hear stories
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SPEAKER_01: from them and – Things can be a lot worse.
39:35
SPEAKER_01: It's the middle of the summer and we're eating good food and hanging out
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SPEAKER_01: with these great people and gaining more ideas.
39:41
SPEAKER_01: And so I think back to trying to cram everything I could into that story for
39:46
SPEAKER_01: the alumni magazine and now to be able to reach out to and hear from people
39:51
SPEAKER_01: and see people that I didn't get a chance to talk to before.
39:53
SPEAKER_01: It's just kind of an ongoing thing.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: And I think you and I,
39:57
SPEAKER_01: hopefully I'm not speaking on your behalf when I say this or getting it right.
40:01
SPEAKER_01: I think we want to do a good job of just taking care of it.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: And, but it's,
40:06
SPEAKER_01: it's so much fun because again,
40:07
SPEAKER_01: you just listen and listen and listen, and we can prepare for these interviews.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: But like you said, one guest begets the next guest.
40:14
SPEAKER_01: And so the oral history piece of that,
40:17
SPEAKER_01: I'm so glad you approached it from that way,
40:20
SPEAKER_01: from that perspective,
40:21
SPEAKER_01: because there are a bunch of different ways that you could do it,
40:23
SPEAKER_01: but everybody has stories and to,
40:26
SPEAKER_01: to be able to just hear them and have one lead to the next is,
40:30
SPEAKER_01: it's a lot of fun and it's, it's really meaningful.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: It is.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: I want to close this with an ask for people who are listening now.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: First of all, we're going to be, we have our first slate of guests lined up.
40:46
SPEAKER_00: We're going to be releasing episodes.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: We do not have a strict timeframe at this point.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: It is a labor of love.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: We, both of us have other things that we're doing to busy lives,
41:00
SPEAKER_00: but we are absolutely committed to this.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: And the ask is, is pretty simple.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: If you know Somebody that we should be speaking to in the Chaney universe.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: Don't assume that we know who that person is.
41:19
SPEAKER_00: And this could be anybody.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean, look,
41:21
SPEAKER_00: if you're going to come back and say,
41:23
SPEAKER_00: you got to talk to Mark Makin, go ahead and say it.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
41:26
SPEAKER_00: But we know Mark Makin's on the list.
41:30
SPEAKER_00: But perhaps it's the
41:35
SPEAKER_00: Perhaps it's the person at the produce stand at the Italian market
41:39
SPEAKER_00: who always was there when Chaney was picking through all the tomatoes for
41:43
SPEAKER_00: a long time, looking for the perfect one.
41:46
SPEAKER_00: Maybe you know that guy who has his stories about interacting with
41:50
SPEAKER_00: the famous John Chaney from Temple University.
41:54
SPEAKER_00: Boy, we'd love to have that conversation too.
41:56
SPEAKER_00: So just reach out to us,
41:59
SPEAKER_00: let us know,
42:03
SPEAKER_00: and we will do what we can to endeavor to bring those stories to light
42:06
SPEAKER_00: because we want the whole picture.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: I also just want to take a moment and thank all the members of our advisory board.
42:15
SPEAKER_00: I felt early on,
42:16
SPEAKER_00: unlike the Life Lessons Collective, which is an effort I undertook, Pretty solo.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I had some people in my corner, some mentors and whatnot.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: When John and I were talking about doing this podcast,
42:27
SPEAKER_00: I felt right away, it's going to be important to have an advisory board.
42:31
SPEAKER_00: People who, in particular, mostly had their tentacles in different areas of media.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: Why?
42:38
SPEAKER_00: Because we want
42:41
SPEAKER_00: to reach the widest Number of people possible in the podcasting space.
42:46
SPEAKER_00: We want to know about publishing.
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SPEAKER_00: John obviously know a lot more about that than I do,
42:52
SPEAKER_00: but we want people who understand this world and have a connection to Coach Chaney.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: And so with that in mind,
42:58
SPEAKER_00: I want to thank the members of our advisory board,
43:02
SPEAKER_00: Andrew Goldstein,
43:04
SPEAKER_00: John Chaney Jr.,
43:05
SPEAKER_00: Kenny Holtzman,
43:07
SPEAKER_00: Kevin Nagandi,
43:08
SPEAKER_00: Larry Rosen,
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SPEAKER_00: Mark Zumhoff, Mary Ellen Driscoll, Mike Jensen, Mike Kern, and Maria Chaney.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: We thank you all.
43:17
SPEAKER_00: We could not be here today without you.
43:20
SPEAKER_00: And your help, your guidance, your support means the world to us.
43:27
SPEAKER_00: Anything I've missed there, John?
43:29
SPEAKER_00: Anything you want to add?
43:30
SPEAKER_01: No, I think you did a beautiful job of summing everything up.
43:36
SPEAKER_00: Fantastic.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: So listen for us individually.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: My podcast is the Life Lessons Collective.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: John's podcast is The Scoop with alscoop.com.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: And by the way, really, if you're into temple sports, that is the place to go.
43:53
SPEAKER_00: To hear what's going on,
43:55
SPEAKER_00: get great perspectives,
43:57
SPEAKER_00: and hear from a lot of up-and-coming journalists who are involved in
44:00
SPEAKER_00: the Temple program.
44:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's really,
44:03
SPEAKER_00: you've got a lot of people who have graduated from working on The Scoop who are all
44:08
SPEAKER_00: over the place now, right?
44:10
SPEAKER_01: Yes, and Mike, if you check your Venmo, you will see the deposit
44:14
SPEAKER_00: that I sent you.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: Five bucks, right?
44:15
SPEAKER_00: Five dollars?
44:16
SPEAKER_01: No, it's a little bit more.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: I bumped it up to seven dollars.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
44:22
SPEAKER_01: And I also want to tell people,
44:23
SPEAKER_01: if you're listening to Michael's podcast,
44:27
SPEAKER_01: if you're a Temple Sports fan,
44:29
SPEAKER_01: which we're assuming you are,
44:30
SPEAKER_01: if you're listening to us now, his Leonard Stewart episode was fantastic.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
44:36
SPEAKER_00: And, of course, I'm sending that memo right back to you.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: So, John, thank you.
44:41
SPEAKER_00: Stay tuned.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: We will be letting you know when this is coming out and blasting it on all the platforms.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: And thanks for taking the time to listen.
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SPEAKER_00: Be welcome.
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