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- 0:08Speaker 1: Are you ready right my second?
- 0:13Speaker 2: Yeah, tifty, I'm queen o'clock. I got one hundred and
- 0:22Speaker 2: forty one and two.
- 0:23Speaker 1: Throws two quomen but brun up, I am bad and
- 0:26Speaker 1: it ain't no lie, I'm bad. I'm a bad out.
- 0:29Speaker 1: The never a thought to speak this out.
- 0:32Speaker 2: She well doesn't choose the grollouts from the heart. That's
- 0:38Speaker 2: Billiam West Virginia.
- 0:39Speaker 1: Here's your host, Hollywood Chef Peggy. Welcome back, ladies, gentlemen,
- 0:44Speaker 1: to the Grim Episode sixty. I'm your host, Hollywood. Yes that,
- 0:49Speaker 1: and I'm joined with not one, but both of my illustrious,
- 0:56Speaker 1: sometimes chaotic, every now and then entertaining co host, first
- 1:04Speaker 1: Jason Likens the Reflection of Perfection, and now commentator.
- 1:09Speaker 2: Yeah. But uh, you know, I had this big thing
- 1:13Speaker 2: planned out. I was going to talk about the Forgiveness
- 1:16Speaker 2: Tour of twenty four where I've been what I've been doing.
- 1:19Speaker 2: But then my world kind of got a thrown upside down.
- 1:23Speaker 2: Yesterday whenever and literally the last second, I had to
- 1:28Speaker 2: call a football game. And I don't know anything about football,
- 1:34Speaker 2: I I did.
- 1:36Speaker 1: You showed me a few clips and it was it
- 1:38Speaker 1: was magnificent. I will say that it was. It was
- 1:42Speaker 1: very magnificent and funny, entertaining, and you even got people
- 1:47Speaker 1: that don't watch football to tune in.
- 1:49Speaker 2: Yeah, so we we were doing decent numbers. I think
- 1:55Speaker 2: in total we had around seventy five viewers across three
- 1:57Speaker 2: different platforms. Nice. So, you know, not bad, I guess
- 2:01Speaker 2: for high school football with two teams that are not
- 2:03Speaker 2: good true, true, true. I mean one team going into
- 2:06Speaker 2: this was two and nine, the other one, no, it
- 2:09Speaker 2: was two and eight. The other one was oh and nine.
- 2:13Speaker 2: So not a lot on the line here. Definitely not
- 2:16Speaker 2: a playoff contender for high school football.
- 2:19Speaker 1: Who's the worst of the worst.
- 2:20Speaker 2: Well that would be the team that lost.
- 2:22Speaker 1: Yeah, did they go oh and ten?
- 2:24Speaker 2: Yes? Oh they did.
- 2:26Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, well you could probably look that up like
- 2:29Speaker 1: they were Quad A.
- 2:31Speaker 2: I honestly don't know Triple A.
- 2:33Speaker 1: Or Quade want anyway, either one of them. But anyway,
- 2:37Speaker 1: my other co host, the current reigning and defending undisputed
- 2:43Speaker 1: Grill Out Heavyweight Predictions Heavyweight Champions.
- 2:46Speaker 3: You know, I bet today is going to be a
- 2:48Speaker 3: good episode. You guys want to take some gambles?
- 2:50Speaker 2: What what is it? I said?
- 2:52Speaker 3: I bet today's gonna be a good episode. Do you
- 2:53Speaker 3: guys want to take some gambles.
- 2:54Speaker 2: Well, WW is not doing that. Yeah, they're not.
- 2:57Speaker 1: I don't have that. I will say I don't have
- 2:59Speaker 1: that in my run now, but I will talk about that.
- 3:01Speaker 1: So what what was the story they said people were wanting? Okay,
- 3:05Speaker 1: first and foremost, I will say this, if you gamble,
- 3:08Speaker 1: more power to you. As a lifelong professional wrestling fan.
- 3:11Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
- 3:12Speaker 1: I would never gamble one professional wrestling.
- 3:14Speaker 2: Yeah, I just won't.
- 3:16Speaker 1: Like, no, I'm not doing that. It's just it's not
- 3:20Speaker 1: so i'd be very rich or very poor or yes,
- 3:24Speaker 1: yes exactly, and trust me, by the way we do
- 3:28Speaker 1: some of these picks, we would definitely be poor. But AnyWho, Yeah,
- 3:33Speaker 1: like they uh so that it was what their CFO
- 3:37Speaker 1: C c O O.
- 3:38Speaker 2: I think it's something like that.
- 3:40Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark Shapiro, whatever his role is, he's a higher up,
- 3:43Speaker 4: very executive for w W.
- 3:46Speaker 2: O T k oh.
- 3:47Speaker 1: Yeah, and pretty much they saying that there will be
- 3:49Speaker 1: no I guess.
- 3:50Speaker 3: People are inquiring about sports fans.
- 3:51Speaker 1: They're like, no, but the UFC it makes sense. But
- 3:55Speaker 1: for WW that makes zero sense.
- 3:57Speaker 3: Anything that's predetermined, it's just yeah, yeah.
- 4:00Speaker 2: Saimes, that's why you shouldn't bet on the NFL.
- 4:03Speaker 1: They know the script.
- 4:04Speaker 2: Yeah, they all get it. They get it.
- 4:05Speaker 1: At the beginning of every year, there's a script.
- 4:08Speaker 2: I mean, chiefs are going back back to back to back. Yeah. Possibly.
- 4:13Speaker 2: You know, one thing that.
- 4:14Speaker 4: Wasn't betting going was a women's title being introduced last night.
- 4:17Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. There was a women's title introduced
- 4:20Speaker 1: last night. But yeah, there's gonna be no no sports
- 4:22Speaker 1: betting for WWE. That is uh. Yeah, like what we've
- 4:26Speaker 1: we've just said. It's not it's not that it's not smart.
- 4:29Speaker 2: No, I'm good, I'm speaking. I'm not smart things. Josh,
- 4:32Speaker 2: I heard two episodes ago you were talking about the
- 4:35Speaker 2: title lineage. Yeah, it's super easy to hold on to
- 4:40Speaker 2: the title for a record amount as you are working on,
- 4:44Speaker 2: as you are working on, when you never have to
- 4:46Speaker 2: defend it. I had three defenses, three yep, you know,
- 4:50Speaker 2: I remember we had four, but we took one on.
- 4:52Speaker 2: I remember when I was the longest raining champ still
- 4:55Speaker 2: am currently, I was defending it seems like almost every
- 4:59Speaker 2: ep So.
- 5:01Speaker 1: You okay, I will fully admit you had a gauntlet
- 5:04Speaker 1: ahead of you.
- 5:04Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was, and I did it. You know,
- 5:09Speaker 2: here's the thing, like I kept doing it, like it
- 5:12Speaker 2: seems like you all kept finding things for me to
- 5:16Speaker 2: put the title up for and and all of a sudden,
- 5:20Speaker 2: Josh gets it and then there's nothing nothing going on,
- 5:25Speaker 2: like there's.
- 5:26Speaker 1: You know what hold on? When is full gear? It's
- 5:29Speaker 1: to think the twenty third. So that will be we'll
- 5:32Speaker 1: have predictions next Yes, that will be next episode. We
- 5:35Speaker 1: will have the diction series and Survivor series is the thirtiest.
- 5:38Speaker 1: So he's got the next two episodes. He's got to
- 5:40Speaker 1: defend his title. He's got to do it successful defend.
- 5:43Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's super easy when you go five weeks
- 5:45Speaker 2: without having to defend it and then all of a
- 5:48Speaker 2: sudden it's like, oh no, he's got two coming up.
- 5:52Speaker 2: Whenever it was me, I was like, Crown, Oh, Jason,
- 5:55Speaker 2: look look, Jason, here's here's one. You have to do
- 5:59Speaker 2: another one. Here's another one. Here's another one. Here's another one.
- 6:03Speaker 2: Oh we have two this week. Yeah.
- 6:08Speaker 1: Oh. But one good thing that is going on in
- 6:10Speaker 1: the world of professional wrestling right.
- 6:12Speaker 2: Now is I am back on the microphone where I belong,
- 6:17Speaker 2: trying to be trying to keep this shame afloat.
- 6:24Speaker 1: Yeah, I two eahter Own two h ster own. No,
- 6:30Speaker 1: so the there is a new women's title. As what
- 6:32Speaker 1: josh uh alluded to, there's a new women's US title.
- 6:36Speaker 1: On last night SmackDown, Nick Altis unveiled a new women's title.
- 6:40Speaker 1: The ww Women's US title was revealed as a new
- 6:44Speaker 1: mid card title for the women's division.
- 6:47Speaker 3: Assumably they'll have a I did on Monday.
- 6:50Speaker 2: We'll see.
- 6:51Speaker 1: Yeah, there would only makes sense, That's what the rumor
- 6:53Speaker 1: is right now.
- 6:54Speaker 2: I mean it would only make sense.
- 6:55Speaker 1: Not true.
- 6:56Speaker 4: True, It wouldn't make sense to have two world titles
- 6:58Speaker 4: and one mid carard Netflix between two. That would make
- 7:00Speaker 4: the Mike card feel more important than the two world titles.
- 7:03Speaker 2: Well, it definitely seems nice that the what is this
- 7:06Speaker 2: SmackDown that the women of SmackDown are getting almost treated
- 7:11Speaker 2: equal as the men. Absolutely, you know that there's equality there.
- 7:15Speaker 1: Yes, which is something that we need and we will
- 7:18Speaker 1: Here's the thing. We will always sing sing the praises
- 7:21Speaker 1: of the women on the show. We always will, and
- 7:25Speaker 1: that is actually that's something that we will talk a
- 7:27Speaker 1: little bit about later on hopefully. But yes, there is
- 7:30Speaker 1: a there is a women's US title in WW. Now
- 7:34Speaker 1: that's going to be on SmackDown, and it does look
- 7:35Speaker 1: like there may be an ant continent. And you're not
- 7:39Speaker 1: the only one to think that, because while I was
- 7:41Speaker 1: looking on.
- 7:42Speaker 2: Ww socials, they were specify no.
- 7:46Speaker 1: But there's been there's a lot of speculation amongst online
- 7:49Speaker 1: fans that there will be an intercontinental title, whether that
- 7:53Speaker 1: will be Monday today if you're listening to this, whether
- 7:57Speaker 1: that's on WSWW or five eighty A m will actually
- 8:00Speaker 1: be on there tonight if you're listening to us, that
- 8:02Speaker 1: is at seven oh three, So Monday we will be
- 8:04Speaker 1: on fourteen ninety and five eighty am.
- 8:08Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. If they're bringing in another championship
- 8:11Speaker 2: for the women, that also means you have to give
- 8:14Speaker 2: the women more screen time.
- 8:15Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
- 8:17Speaker 4: So what like the NXT model, Like a couple of
- 8:19Speaker 4: weeks ago, it was like three or four women's matches,
- 8:22Speaker 4: like maybe two men's matches.
- 8:23Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, what Sean does get down there?
- 8:27Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. They're all wrestling matches. Yes, absolutely,
- 8:30Speaker 2: and that's what it's about. It's about matches, absolutely absolutely
- 8:35Speaker 2: titles being the longest defending champ, he's a That's what
- 8:40Speaker 2: it's about is getting it and never losing it. You're done,
- 8:45Speaker 2: gott I hate you so much.
- 8:48Speaker 1: Uh. One thing that ww is getting done at the
- 8:51Speaker 1: moment is unveiling the prospects further ww ID independent Development.
- 8:56Speaker 1: It is their new sort of recruiting tool for the independence.
- 9:01Speaker 1: We talked about it last week on the program.
- 9:03Speaker 2: I didn't well, you weren't here.
- 9:05Speaker 1: That's okay, though, that's okay. So right now they have
- 9:08Speaker 1: unveiled nine prospects.
- 9:11Speaker 2: I mean eight, excuse me, eight? So there's can you
- 9:13Speaker 2: not count? I know you have a calm degree barely? Yeah,
- 9:17Speaker 2: I can say.
- 9:19Speaker 1: Listen, listen, Jason. We know this as well as anybody.
- 9:22Speaker 1: It is not it is an unofficial requirement for the
- 9:24Speaker 1: Communications department anywhere that you have to take MATHO twenty.
- 9:28Speaker 1: You cannot take college level math right away.
- 9:32Speaker 2: I didn't have to, did you really?
- 9:33Speaker 1: Did not show off?
- 9:35Speaker 2: Didn't have to? I know how about that?
- 9:38Speaker 1: So they have unveiled eight. They still have twelve to go.
- 9:42Speaker 1: They're gonna have twenty all together. See, I can't do
- 9:45Speaker 1: rest at first, and then they're gonna keep expanding it.
- 9:48Speaker 1: Right now, they have Sean Legacy, Cappuccino, Jones, Zeta Steele,
- 9:55Speaker 1: Bryce Donovan, Marcus Mathers, Sam hollow Way, Jack Summit, and
- 10:02Speaker 1: Zeris Occur Zach Er something maybe. Yeah, that is the
- 10:08Speaker 1: eight new eight prospects they have unveiled so far.
- 10:13Speaker 2: Excuse me.
- 10:14Speaker 1: On their website for the I D for ww ID
- 10:18Speaker 1: right now, it looks like that there is still only
- 10:20Speaker 1: going to be the five schools that we talked about
- 10:24Speaker 1: last week. And it looks like also there's not really
- 10:29Speaker 1: going to be any restrictions on them on who they
- 10:32Speaker 1: can and cannot work with. That's what is being put
- 10:37Speaker 1: out right now. So I guess they have to maybe
- 10:43Speaker 1: these five schools the Reality of Wrestling, Elite Pro Wrestling
- 10:47Speaker 1: Training Center, Nightmare Factory, Knox Pro Entertainment and Academy, and
- 10:52Speaker 1: Black and Brave Wrestling Academy that may have to be.
- 10:55Speaker 1: And this is unofficial, This is just speculation that may
- 10:58Speaker 1: have to be. Like their home home promotion.
- 11:01Speaker 2: Reality of wrestling isn't the Booker T's Yes, chuck your
- 11:04Speaker 2: ducky quick quick. That's where Booker T's.
- 11:07Speaker 1: At can suck up. You could tell Jason's back.
- 11:12Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah that they can hear me. I know that, Jason.
- 11:17Speaker 2: I mean, it's really really not hard to figure out
- 11:21Speaker 2: there Jeff, guess what if they couldn't hear me, that
- 11:24Speaker 2: means I'm not back exactly.
- 11:26Speaker 1: If they couldn't hear you, it would be this. You
- 11:29Speaker 1: can go ahead and talk, but there, Yeah, turned his
- 11:36Speaker 1: mic off. Yeah, we're actually in a new studio.
- 11:38Speaker 2: This is the second.
- 11:39Speaker 1: Third episode we've done in here so far. Isn't it fourth?
- 11:43Speaker 2: At least four? First?
- 11:44Speaker 1: Yeah, because first for yeah, Jason, this first Actually, yeah,
- 11:47Speaker 1: you might be raised, yeah, yeah, because Jason hasn't been
- 11:49Speaker 1: here for the previous two episodes.
- 11:50Speaker 2: This is yeah, so yeah.
- 11:52Speaker 1: This is our third third episode in the new studio.
- 11:55Speaker 1: When you first showed us this, oh yeah, yeah, I
- 11:57Speaker 1: think I showed y' all like a week before we
- 11:58Speaker 1: came in here. So yeah, so we we are in
- 12:01Speaker 1: a new studio, which is fantastic. Yeah actually yeah, the
- 12:05Speaker 1: sound quality is great Jesus. But anyway, Yeah, so ww
- 12:14Speaker 1: I D that's what they have unveiled so far. With
- 12:19Speaker 1: that ww who they've unveiled as prospects for.
- 12:23Speaker 2: W w I D Who.
- 12:27Speaker 1: Moving on, six confirmed matches for Wrestle Kingdom nineteen and
- 12:31Speaker 1: Wrestle Dynasty. Since we're gonna keep talking about unveils Wrestle
- 12:36Speaker 1: Kingdom nineteen.
- 12:37Speaker 2: So far we're talking about anvils.
- 12:43Speaker 1: Hold on, why didn't anybody tell me that? I don't know,
- 12:52Speaker 1: how do you make it that far?
- 12:54Speaker 2: We're supposed to know you got.
- 12:56Speaker 1: A super comput and tould me you got a supercomputer.
- 13:02Speaker 2: I feel like it's one of those things people don't say.
- 13:04Speaker 1: But just no, except for Jason, except Jason.
- 13:08Speaker 2: Well, how am I supposed to know? No one tells
- 13:12Speaker 2: me these things? Was it Bill Goldberg?
- 13:14Speaker 1: No? No, but Bill Goldberg's coming back next year for
- 13:17Speaker 1: a retirement almost.
- 13:20Speaker 2: Please don't like I who wants to see a Bill
- 13:23Speaker 2: Goldberg retirement match?
- 13:27Speaker 1: Exactly?
- 13:28Speaker 2: Jeff? Do you want to No?
- 13:30Speaker 1: No, I do not. I wanted I wanted that pause
- 13:33Speaker 1: right there.
- 13:33Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted that silent. I want to see destroy him,
- 13:38Speaker 2: you know, but that's not gonna happen.
- 13:41Speaker 1: Well, Evance shows back up and that's gonna happen.
- 13:46Speaker 2: I would rather see him get hit by a car. Goldberg. Yeah,
- 13:53Speaker 2: Bill Goldberg. I'm not saying I want it to be real.
- 13:57Speaker 1: It can be scripted, it can it could be gimmicked.
- 14:01Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't have to be, but it could be better.
- 14:03Speaker 1: Make sure that windows gimmick this.
- 14:05Speaker 2: Time around, or don't. It's entirely up to you all.
- 14:09Speaker 1: Yeah, but so yes, Wrestle Kingdom nineteen, we have six
- 14:14Speaker 1: confirmed matches so far for Wrestle Kingdom and wrestled Dynasty.
- 14:19Speaker 1: So for Wrestle Kingdom nineteen, for the i w GP
- 14:22Speaker 1: World Heavyweight Championship, we have Zach Saber Junior defending his title.
- 14:25Speaker 2: Against Show to Show to m Junior on this one,
- 14:30Speaker 2: ZSJ on that one. We are doing predictions.
- 14:32Speaker 1: No, no, not what we will later on, well not
- 14:35Speaker 1: on this episode, later episodes.
- 14:37Speaker 2: This is in January, January, ahead of time.
- 14:42Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we also got to iw GP Junior
- 14:45Speaker 1: Heavyweight Championship. Dokie is taking on l s P IWGP
- 14:51Speaker 1: Junior Heavyweight Tag Team a championship match, Intergalactic Jet Setters
- 14:57Speaker 1: versus Ichibond Sweet Boys versus is Catch twenty two to
- 15:02Speaker 1: versus Bullet Club war Dogs. We also have the iw
- 15:07Speaker 1: GP A Global Heavyweight Championship David Finley against Yota Suji
- 15:13Speaker 1: and then the fifth confirmed match, and then we'll get
- 15:16Speaker 1: to Wrestle Dynasty. Randa Risa will be defended taking on
- 15:21Speaker 1: Jeff Cobb And.
- 15:22Speaker 2: How do you mess up the name, Jeff? I know,
- 15:27Speaker 2: Lord leave me be leave me b.
- 15:31Speaker 1: Ryho he oh wah. So yeah that's world woah, that's
- 15:37Speaker 1: for Wrestle Kingdom nineteen. So for Wressell Dynasty the follow nights, Yes,
- 15:42Speaker 1: the very next night, January fifth, will be Zach Say Virginia.
- 15:45Speaker 2: If he retains, yes, you will.
- 15:47Speaker 1: Well no if I think it doesn't say if he's
- 15:50Speaker 1: defending the title or not.
- 15:51Speaker 2: So I thought Rick J challenging for the title.
- 15:53Speaker 1: Oh so I guess it does defend on it Okay, okay,
- 15:56Speaker 1: so yeah Lee out there but not confirmed. Yeah, we'll see.
- 16:02Speaker 1: I'm taking on Ricochet and this is just a little
- 16:05Speaker 1: note for me. Keny Omega did return to Power Struggle
- 16:07Speaker 1: this past week and announced he was going to return
- 16:09Speaker 1: to news Fan and compete at Wrussell Dynasty. Then he
- 16:13Speaker 1: was attacked backstage by Gabe Kid that very well could
- 16:16Speaker 1: be who he will be facing.
- 16:17Speaker 2: At Russell Dynasty. But from my understanding, Gabe Kid did
- 16:20Speaker 2: it for the Rock.
- 16:22Speaker 1: He did it for the people.
- 16:25Speaker 2: I did it for the Rock.
- 16:31Speaker 1: Actually yeah, no, he did do it for the Rock.
- 16:35Speaker 1: Yeah uh yeah, I don't know.
- 16:38Speaker 2: I like.
- 16:40Speaker 1: You like actually you know what, hold on, hold on,
- 16:44Speaker 1: I'm holding hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
- 16:48Speaker 1: hold on.
- 16:48Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on. I did that for the rock,
- 16:57Speaker 2: I did that for the people.
- 17:00Speaker 1: I did shut amount of thong wearing Patty Alright.
- 17:07Speaker 2: See that's the one.
- 17:08Speaker 1: That's another good thing about being in this new studio.
- 17:10Speaker 1: I can I can do little things like that over
- 17:12Speaker 1: here on this side of the screen.
- 17:13Speaker 2: Boys, So good job. Yeah, I'm proud of you.
- 17:16Speaker 1: But gold star, gold star on that. And another person
- 17:22Speaker 1: who is moving on up at the moment, Davy Boy Smith.
- 17:26Speaker 2: He's back, Junior.
- 17:32Speaker 1: Jason got a little excited.
- 17:33Speaker 2: For a second.
- 17:34Speaker 1: Davy Boy Smith Junior won the Triple Count Triple Crown
- 17:38Speaker 1: Heavyweight Championship from New Aogi. He becomes the seventh Guigon
- 17:44Speaker 1: foreigner to win the a JPW Triple Count Triple Crown
- 17:48Speaker 1: Heavyweight Championship, first since Joe do Ring in twenty seventeen.
- 17:52Speaker 1: The list of guiding to hold the title include Terry Gordy,
- 17:55Speaker 1: Stan Hansen, and Big Van Vader just to name a few.
- 17:58Speaker 2: Oh it's time, it's time, it's Vader time.
- 18:04Speaker 1: Such a great intro. Yeah, such a great intro. Yeah
- 18:07Speaker 1: you know it wasn't a great insue the shock Master, No, No,
- 18:11Speaker 1: it was not.
- 18:13Speaker 2: Well happened.
- 18:15Speaker 1: Yeah, what, but like.
- 18:19Speaker 5: Was it?
- 18:19Speaker 1: I mean, it's a terrible intro, it's a terrible debut.
- 18:22Speaker 1: But here we are, what thirty years later.
- 18:26Speaker 2: Something like that.
- 18:26Speaker 1: Yeah, still talking about the shock Master, but we're.
- 18:29Speaker 2: Not talking about it as Hey, you know what I
- 18:31Speaker 2: remember fondly. It's like, oh, here's another terrible intro, the
- 18:36Speaker 2: gobbledy Goker. But at no point are any of us like,
- 18:40Speaker 2: you know what, who was really underrated? The Gobbledy Goker,
- 18:43Speaker 2: shock Master? Yeah, you know, the glittered stormtrooper helmet. They
- 18:48Speaker 2: should bring that back. Was that was so? Like?
- 18:51Speaker 1: Was that Obi and Anderson and them that put that together?
- 18:54Speaker 2: I think so it was only doing the voice of
- 18:57Speaker 2: shock Masters. Okay it was dust Oh that was.
- 19:01Speaker 1: Oh yeah that was Yeah, that's right. Okay, my mind
- 19:05Speaker 1: is working, right. I think that Uncle Fred, he gotta
- 19:09Speaker 1: buy thickle.
- 19:10Speaker 2: You gotta buy a thickle.
- 19:11Speaker 1: Wait to get that buying thickle from? Take that by
- 19:14Speaker 1: thingle from.
- 19:15Speaker 2: You gotta buy a thile.
- 19:16Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love the dream. I love the dream. Yeah, no,
- 19:20Speaker 1: I don't you know. I think Dusty does got a
- 19:24Speaker 1: great mind for the business. We did have a great
- 19:26Speaker 1: mind for did have a great mind for the business.
- 19:29Speaker 1: But the shock Master, that was a nobody. Pats a thousand.
- 19:34Speaker 2: Everyone was shocked. How terrible.
- 19:39Speaker 1: Nuts Well, you got to say, Jason, he's got that
- 19:43Speaker 1: look that yeah right, just to es salvage this a
- 19:49Speaker 1: little bit. On this day in wrestling history. November tenth,
- 20:06Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, WCW Clash of the Champions twenty five
- 20:10Speaker 1: five took place in Saint Petersburg, Florida. A star studded
- 20:14Speaker 1: card was headlined by Rick Flair, Richard woh retaining the
- 20:18Speaker 1: World Heavyweight Championship by d Q against We mentioned him earlier,
- 20:22Speaker 1: Big Van Invader.
- 20:23Speaker 2: That's Tom, It's Tom Invader, Tom Tom.
- 20:26Speaker 1: Elsewhere on the card, the Nasty Boys defeated Sting and
- 20:29Speaker 1: Davy Boys, Smith Or Senior, oh yep, Rick Rude and
- 20:33Speaker 1: Road Warrior Hawk fought to this there is there is
- 20:37Speaker 1: fought to a double count out in an International Heavyweight
- 20:41Speaker 1: Championship match. Shockmaster, The Shockmaster beat the Equalizer.
- 20:45Speaker 2: The Shockmaster the Equalizer.
- 20:48Speaker 1: I didn't know the shock Master even had a match.
- 20:50Speaker 2: He did, Yeah, yeah, he had a few. Oh I
- 20:53Speaker 2: thought I just fell through well and that was it. No,
- 20:55Speaker 2: because after that they put a hard hat on him
- 20:58Speaker 2: and that's really bad.
- 21:01Speaker 4: Did y'all see the episode of Edging Christian Show where
- 21:03Speaker 4: they kind of sort of redeemed him?
- 21:06Speaker 2: No, old Fred Aptman. Maybe? Yeah, yeah, I didn't see it.
- 21:10Speaker 2: You should go back and watch it, Okay?
- 21:11Speaker 1: That?
- 21:13Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, Jeff, let me ask you. Did anything happen
- 21:15Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight? I'm day in wrestling mystery.
- 21:17Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked that.
- 21:19Speaker 1: November tenth, two thousand and eight, on an episode of
- 21:21Speaker 1: Raw taped at the O two in London, England, William
- 21:24Speaker 1: Regal defeated Sanino Morella to win the Intercontinental Championship.
- 21:29Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah? Now, did anything happen in a
- 21:32Speaker 2: let's think of a random year twenty eleven? Glad you
- 21:35Speaker 2: asked that?
- 21:36Speaker 1: November tenth, twenty eleven, WW unveiled the logo for the
- 21:40Speaker 1: WW Network, which eventually launched in February twenty fourteen, with
- 21:45Speaker 1: that logo subsequently becoming the company's logo in August twenty fourteen,
- 21:49Speaker 1: and it will die in January twenty twenty five.
- 21:51Speaker 2: Josh, Let me ask you this. How does Jeff know
- 21:53Speaker 2: all of this stuff right off the top of his head?
- 21:55Speaker 2: He's a wizard? No, I think it's because it's written down.
- 21:58Speaker 1: Oh there's not.
- 21:59Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way I'm remembering all that for batim. No,
- 22:02Speaker 2: that's not happening. I mean, Josh, you have the script
- 22:05Speaker 2: in front of you. Jesus, there's time.
- 22:11Speaker 3: There's time.
- 22:14Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 22:18Speaker 1: All right, ladies, gentlemen, we're gonna go ahead take a
- 22:20Speaker 1: break right there. When we come back, we have an
- 22:23Speaker 1: interesting discussion I've been wanting to have with these two.
- 22:26Speaker 1: So stay tuned.
- 22:28Speaker 2: All it's time for more of the grill Out.
- 22:38Speaker 1: Here's how Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to the grill Out.
- 22:57Speaker 1: I'm having a little too much fun with this over here.
- 22:59Speaker 2: Now.
- 23:02Speaker 1: I'm your host, Hollywood Jeff Patty, and I'm joined by
- 23:05Speaker 1: my illustrious co host Plural, the Reflection of Perfection, the
- 23:11Speaker 1: most humblest man alive, and a commentator, Jason Ankins.
- 23:18Speaker 2: It's true, it is, It's very true. No lies detected
- 23:22Speaker 2: from you. No, no, not at all. And for that,
- 23:25Speaker 2: for my two weeks of being gone and finally back,
- 23:30Speaker 2: You're welcome the tour of twenty four all right.
- 23:35Speaker 1: And and also the current is important, well, he is,
- 23:39Speaker 1: he's the current, reigning and defending grill app predictions.
- 23:42Speaker 2: Okay, raining, Yes, defending win.
- 23:47Speaker 1: Next week, next episode.
- 23:49Speaker 2: It's super easy to be like next episode.
- 23:55Speaker 1: As he's over there. He's the record keeper of all
- 23:57Speaker 1: of this.
- 23:57Speaker 2: So you know what, I have some say. I agree
- 24:00Speaker 2: with you Jason on something. What's that Prime is very good? Yeah?
- 24:05Speaker 1: Yeah, have you been drinking Prime?
- 24:06Speaker 3: I've been drinking Prime? Oh wow, yeah, I've had quite
- 24:08Speaker 3: a few.
- 24:09Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask favorite color? Pink, pink? Okay, sures
- 24:16Speaker 2: it depends. It's either red or green. Okay, red fruit punch.
- 24:21Speaker 2: Green is a lemon, lime, or it might just be lime,
- 24:24Speaker 2: colberry and green. That one's good.
- 24:27Speaker 3: The Strawberry Water Mountain is the pink one.
- 24:29Speaker 2: It's really good. I'll tell you it's really good. Is
- 24:31Speaker 2: when you're not talking, Josh, that's my favorite Prime.
- 24:36Speaker 3: I've only had the hydration though, I haven't done I
- 24:38Speaker 3: don't do energy drinks.
- 24:39Speaker 2: No, I haven't done any of the primary energy.
- 24:42Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of good. I'll stick
- 24:44Speaker 1: to my cof feeling.
- 24:45Speaker 2: All right.
- 24:46Speaker 1: So there's one thing that we've talked about in well,
- 24:49Speaker 1: we've talked about this off the air. I was going
- 24:50Speaker 1: to use this for a girl.
- 24:51Speaker 2: Out hot day. We did bring it up on one segment.
- 24:54Speaker 2: I have never talked about this. What are we talking?
- 24:57Speaker 2: Have you seen Cane nine? What? It's a dog that
- 25:02Speaker 2: they put in a cane costume and it's cane. Notice
- 25:07Speaker 2: what is yellow Cane's name?
- 25:09Speaker 1: Yellow Cane.
- 25:11Speaker 2: It's just yellow caine. It's like blue cane and then gain.
- 25:16Speaker 1: Yellow cane.
- 25:17Speaker 2: Oh did you see pimp Cane. It's like this purple
- 25:24Speaker 2: leopard print with the big godfather hat and a cane.
- 25:27Speaker 2: It was pimp cake.
- 25:29Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't know it went that extensive.
- 25:33Speaker 2: Yeah, Glenn Jacobs has done this to himself.
- 25:38Speaker 1: I love it. How Like, in the past couple of weeks,
- 25:40Speaker 1: there's been so many different variations of caine the independence.
- 25:46Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know about Pimpcaine. That's great, Oh my god.
- 25:50Speaker 1: All right, So yeah, there is actually there is something
- 25:53Speaker 1: that we did. We may have mentioned it on the show.
- 25:56Speaker 1: I was going to use it for a girl out
- 25:57Speaker 1: hot tag, but since we're oh here, I wanted to
- 26:03Speaker 1: spit it out. I wanted to have a discussion on this.
- 26:06Speaker 1: This was This is an interview with Scott the Moore,
- 26:10Speaker 1: Chris Van Vleet'm getting ready to prove it. I'm going
- 26:12Speaker 1: to play it. It was on the It was on
- 26:15Speaker 1: Chris Van Vliet's show. He was interviewing Scott to Moore
- 26:18Speaker 1: and Scott to Moore was sitting there talking about the
- 26:20Speaker 1: evolution of wrestling, just.
- 26:25Speaker 2: Revolution of the mirth. Here's the thing, wrestling changes.
- 26:29Speaker 5: There was a quote by an old wrestler talking about
- 26:33Speaker 5: a new generation wrestler and it was about how phony
- 26:37Speaker 5: he is and it's cartooning.
- 26:40Speaker 2: And do you know who the person was talking about?
- 26:42Speaker 2: You know who it was and who they were talking about.
- 26:43Speaker 5: That sounds like perhaps Jim Cornette talking about I don't know,
- 26:49Speaker 5: like who the wrestler now be, the Orange Cassidy.
- 26:53Speaker 2: Do you know who the quote was? Louths?
- 26:56Speaker 5: Do you know who he was talking about? Harley Race.
- 27:00Speaker 5: Now you talk to guys from Harley's era, he's tough
- 27:03Speaker 5: as nails, he's great, he's so believable. But the louths
- 27:07Speaker 5: he comically over sells, and like, wow, stupid comment. It's
- 27:10Speaker 5: ridiculously because the louths, what Harley Race was doing wasn't
- 27:14Speaker 5: what wrestling was.
- 27:17Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's the that's that's the clip.
- 27:20Speaker 2: Youth is.
- 27:22Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a it was a yeah you heard
- 27:24Speaker 1: it right there. As from Chris Vanlid his interview with
- 27:26Speaker 1: Scott the More and this is one discussion that has
- 27:30Speaker 1: it's been going on in wrestling for quite some time,
- 27:33Speaker 1: and it's about the evolution of wrestling. And I agree
- 27:38Speaker 1: wholeheartedly with Scott De Mora on this is you have,
- 27:41Speaker 1: wrestling has to evolve in order for wrestling to get
- 27:45Speaker 1: to where it is today. It had to shed off
- 27:50Speaker 1: the territories, it had to go mainstream. It had like
- 27:55Speaker 1: I don't agree with how Vince went about it, but
- 27:59Speaker 1: wrestling not be where it's at now without that shedding.
- 28:04Speaker 1: Then then you go to the nineties, the big competition
- 28:08Speaker 1: between WCW and WWF wrestling doesn't reach the heights it
- 28:13Speaker 1: does without that. Then you you know, we go through
- 28:17Speaker 1: this monopolize of pretty much American wrestling, not wrestling in general,
- 28:20Speaker 1: because you know it's it is in other countries.
- 28:23Speaker 2: But we go through this monopolization of.
- 28:26Speaker 1: Wrestling for what next twenty years after Vince buys WCW
- 28:30Speaker 1: and ECW, then we get aw GCW, TNA surprisingly survives
- 28:38Speaker 1: thanks to this man, actually, Scott de Moore. Yeah, so
- 28:42Speaker 1: I'm bringing I'm just opening the discussion now up between
- 28:45Speaker 1: the three of us about what he said. And you
- 28:49Speaker 1: know what, what parts do we agree with? What parts
- 28:51Speaker 1: do we not agree with? I honestly agree with agree
- 28:54Speaker 1: with them altogether. Because to me, it does have to change.
- 28:59Speaker 2: It.
- 28:59Speaker 1: It evolved, but it evolves like anything does in the world. Yes,
- 29:04Speaker 1: I mean, look at look at you know, we're in
- 29:06Speaker 1: football season right now. Okay, yeah, well, I mean we've
- 29:09Speaker 1: talked about.
- 29:09Speaker 2: It all the show.
- 29:11Speaker 1: We're you know, we're in the middle of football season
- 29:13Speaker 1: right now. Look at how football was played even back
- 29:17Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, back in the nineties.
- 29:20Speaker 2: Yea, to what it is now.
- 29:22Speaker 1: Some people like it, some people hate it.
- 29:25Speaker 2: That's just how it is.
- 29:26Speaker 1: Music is the same way it listened to listen to
- 29:31Speaker 1: music from back in the eighties, back in the seventies, sixties,
- 29:34Speaker 1: all go all the way back to the twenties. It's
- 29:35Speaker 1: much different than what it is today.
- 29:37Speaker 3: Music reflects the time it was composed in exactly.
- 29:40Speaker 1: And you can make I think you can make the
- 29:42Speaker 1: argument wrestling does as well entertainment in general.
- 29:45Speaker 2: But for me, things don't have to evolve for the
- 29:52Speaker 2: sake of evolving. No, Like, for instance, a finisher is
- 29:59Speaker 2: nothing now, it is just another happenstance, blow away move
- 30:04Speaker 2: that's going to be kicked out of There are way
- 30:07Speaker 2: too many individuals just kicking out of finishers, too many
- 30:11Speaker 2: false finishers, too many.
- 30:13Speaker 3: It's like Tody Rhodes has to do three crossroads and
- 30:15Speaker 3: put someone down.
- 30:15Speaker 2: Should put it with one? Yeah, what's the point in
- 30:18Speaker 2: even using that? Then if it never finishes a match,
- 30:22Speaker 2: it's not a finisher. Yeah, Like, no one's move is
- 30:25Speaker 2: protected anymore.
- 30:28Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say very few. I mean the
- 30:30Speaker 1: first one that comes to mind, and we mentioned in
- 30:33Speaker 1: the previous segment is can you Omega's one winged Angel?
- 30:36Speaker 1: That is like the one move I could think of
- 30:38Speaker 1: that as highly protected.
- 30:39Speaker 2: Five.
- 30:40Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very few.
- 30:42Speaker 2: Kick out you want to even more protected than that?
- 30:45Speaker 2: Was a Baron Corbyin's Yeah, end of days. No, I
- 30:48Speaker 2: don't think anyone ever kicked out. No, No, there's one one.
- 30:51Speaker 2: Uh didn't that happen? It happened here recently, didn't it.
- 30:55Speaker 3: I cannot maybe in teapot Breaker.
- 30:58Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I think I can't. Okay, so that would
- 31:01Speaker 2: be the only one. Yeah.
- 31:02Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually I think that I think it was
- 31:04Speaker 1: WrestleMania or something like that where somebody did some mad
- 31:07Speaker 1: did kick out of out of the End of Days
- 31:10Speaker 1: this year. I know that because we've talked about it
- 31:12Speaker 1: on the show, because it meant nothing in the grand
- 31:16Speaker 1: scheme of things. They're the only person to ever kick
- 31:19Speaker 1: out of it. And and just to build off to
- 31:23Speaker 1: what you said, it had like the moment was there
- 31:28Speaker 1: and they just threw it away. I mean that kind
- 31:31Speaker 1: of should have been the writing on the wall maybe
- 31:33Speaker 1: for Baron Corwin, because I mean he doesn't he got released, well,
- 31:37Speaker 1: his his contract inspired, they weren't going to extend it.
- 31:39Speaker 1: It was wrest Drew mcentary.
- 31:41Speaker 2: See right there.
- 31:44Speaker 1: Another one would be, uh pox, what is it called now?
- 31:48Speaker 2: Black arrow black?
- 31:50Speaker 1: Yeah, that's another one that's that's pretty much pretty well protected.
- 31:54Speaker 1: But there's really not that many. There's really not, so
- 31:59Speaker 1: I I agree with you there. I just yes, things
- 32:05Speaker 1: cannot evolve for the sake of evolving. But in the
- 32:09Speaker 1: end of it and at the end of it all,
- 32:12Speaker 1: it has to evolve, yes, like things. In order for
- 32:16Speaker 1: things to survive, they have to evolve. Look at how
- 32:18Speaker 1: many times the Undertaker had to evolve his character throughout
- 32:22Speaker 1: his career like.
- 32:24Speaker 2: Well, but also sometimes the the answer of evolution is
- 32:28Speaker 2: to go to read well is to go back in time.
- 32:31Speaker 2: I mean that's pretty much what Gunter is is just
- 32:34Speaker 2: an older style wrestler. Old is new again. Yes, time
- 32:39Speaker 2: is a flat circle, and it just depends on the
- 32:43Speaker 2: character and the person portraying that character. True, very true.
- 32:48Speaker 4: I will say some some some things get a bit ridiculous,
- 32:51Speaker 4: like the match between two invisible people.
- 32:54Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, at an indie show and then
- 33:00Speaker 1: a show. I'm okay with that.
- 33:02Speaker 2: Yeah. But also I mean they had a table spot
- 33:05Speaker 2: in it, and the table broke, so you know, I
- 33:10Speaker 2: can see what you're saying, Josh. But also wrestling is
- 33:15Speaker 2: for everyone, and there's going to be some things that
- 33:17Speaker 2: people like, some things that people don't like.
- 33:19Speaker 1: That's true, That's very true.
- 33:22Speaker 4: The way I look at you got to suspend the
- 33:25Speaker 4: disbelief suspension of but not so much so it is
- 33:28Speaker 4: absolutely ridiculous that you just cannot believe.
- 33:30Speaker 1: It true true, Well to it, I'll say, to an extent,
- 33:35Speaker 1: at least for me, sometimes I like the ridiculousness of wrestling.
- 33:40Speaker 1: I mean, we look at how much we were laughing
- 33:42Speaker 1: just a little bit ago about the Cane Universe. It's
- 33:47Speaker 1: ridiculous at the end of it. When you look at
- 33:49Speaker 1: all the different versions of Caine. Now it's absolutely ridiculous,
- 33:55Speaker 1: like there's no there's absolutely no point in it. But
- 34:00Speaker 1: that is one to me, that is one of the
- 34:02Speaker 1: charming things about professional wrestling.
- 34:05Speaker 2: It just it just is there can be ridiculousness with it.
- 34:08Speaker 1: Do I I'll say this, Do I want it in
- 34:10Speaker 1: a main event? No? No, I don't. I don't want
- 34:13Speaker 1: it in the main event. Do you take somebody like
- 34:16Speaker 1: Orange Cassidy who is seen as a not so serious
- 34:20Speaker 1: wrestling character, put them towards the main event scene and
- 34:24Speaker 1: then make them.
- 34:25Speaker 2: A little more serious? Yeah, I'm okay with that at
- 34:28Speaker 2: least than me. Yeah, very much more serious now. Well,
- 34:31Speaker 2: but and he changed is he still referred to as
- 34:35Speaker 2: Pockets by one individual who is very highly regarded but
- 34:42Speaker 2: at times maybe a little uh antiquated.
- 34:46Speaker 1: Yeah, I think and and the person you're talking about
- 34:50Speaker 1: is one Jim Cornett.
- 34:52Speaker 2: That's right, Listen.
- 34:55Speaker 1: I think Jim Cornett has has a great mind for
- 34:57Speaker 1: the business, has had well he he I'll say this,
- 35:04Speaker 1: I feel like Jim Cornett has he knows he has
- 35:06Speaker 1: forgotten more about professional wrestling than we'll know.
- 35:10Speaker 2: We're not in the business.
- 35:11Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not in the business. And he's also he's
- 35:14Speaker 1: a he's pretty much a historian.
- 35:16Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've I've never personally gotten into an argument
- 35:19Speaker 2: with an individual who's working at Wendy's through the drug
- 35:24Speaker 2: I've never done that. Okay, Taco Bell maybe.
- 35:29Speaker 1: And if you don't know what Jason is referring to,
- 35:31Speaker 1: it is the infamous Wendy's clip with uh which odd
- 35:35Speaker 1: which is funny because Wendy's is like Jim Cornett's favorite restaurant,
- 35:38Speaker 1: favorite fast food chain. He got into it with somebody
- 35:42Speaker 1: at Wendy's.
- 35:43Speaker 2: Yeah, they they thought that his order it was a
- 35:46Speaker 2: joke and they had just gotten out, and it's like
- 35:50Speaker 2: this vein full of wrestlers in Jim Cornette, Chris Jericho
- 35:53Speaker 2: being one of them, begging him on, begging him on,
- 35:56Speaker 2: and uh, yeah, they they thought it was a joke.
- 35:59Speaker 2: And uh, we definitely can't play any of it on him, absolutely,
- 36:04Speaker 2: But if you're interested, it's on YouTube. It is.
- 36:08Speaker 1: I remember watching it, uh years ago, and it is,
- 36:12Speaker 1: I mean it is.
- 36:13Speaker 2: It's a gem.
- 36:14Speaker 1: It really is, Yeah, a gem Cornett. It's actually it's
- 36:20Speaker 1: it's honestly, it's classic Cornet in a way. Yeah, but no,
- 36:24Speaker 1: I I like professional a lot of a lot of
- 36:28Speaker 1: like modern professional wrestling fans discredit or disregard, I'm pretty
- 36:34Speaker 1: much same thing. They disregard Jim Cornette a lot, to
- 36:39Speaker 1: which I'm not too much of a fan of, just
- 36:41Speaker 1: disregarding his his point of view. Do I agree with it?
- 36:44Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
- 36:46Speaker 2: I mean also wasn't at one time. Kenny Omega was
- 36:50Speaker 2: more of a comedic style wrestler.
- 36:52Speaker 1: When he first started, he was he found a blow
- 36:55Speaker 1: up doll. Yeah, yeah, he had the he had the
- 36:59Speaker 1: blow up doll match. There was yeah, the match with
- 37:03Speaker 1: with with with the nine year old girl.
- 37:05Speaker 2: Which well, in fairness to Kenny Omega on that one,
- 37:07Speaker 2: he didn't realize that one was going to be like
- 37:11Speaker 2: recorded or televised, televised and.
- 37:15Speaker 1: Yeah, we recording. There's a mic in front of you.
- 37:20Speaker 2: Hey, that record that on air is lit up. Does
- 37:23Speaker 2: that mean it's recording? I think so. I think that's
- 37:25Speaker 2: what that means. I've ever seen a movie ever, but no.
- 37:33Speaker 1: Microphone And as far as like it, and also in
- 37:37Speaker 1: Kenny's defense on that one, that was a school that
- 37:41Speaker 1: they had and they they asked Kenny if he would
- 37:45Speaker 1: work with her because he was pretty much the only
- 37:47Speaker 1: one they could trust with her. So yeah, like to me,
- 37:52Speaker 1: like some people don't like it, some people lose their
- 37:54Speaker 1: minds over it. To me, it showed and just like
- 37:57Speaker 1: with the bullet All match also and you could throw
- 37:59Speaker 1: cut you a boosh you in there as well. It
- 38:00Speaker 1: showed that Kenny can work with just about anything.
- 38:03Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if should it be a competitive match
- 38:09Speaker 2: between a grown adult and a nine year old? No,
- 38:13Speaker 2: but it looked like it was. And at the end
- 38:16Speaker 2: of the day, Okay, this individual was training to become
- 38:19Speaker 2: a wrestler. She's nine years old. It's not going to
- 38:25Speaker 2: be a five star match, even though it was in Japan,
- 38:28Speaker 2: so Dave Davm might have given it twenty stars.
- 38:32Speaker 1: Here comes old meltzerd.
- 38:34Speaker 2: Yeah, I get me, I get my pen ready to
- 38:37Speaker 2: draw some stars, because that's how he does it, righty,
- 38:41Speaker 2: he draws the stars. But it's also people have to
- 38:48Speaker 2: learn how to do it. You know, it's not something
- 38:50Speaker 2: that you just do. So if you can make a
- 38:52Speaker 2: nine year old look like a competitive opponent, then you're
- 38:57Speaker 2: doing your job.
- 38:59Speaker 1: Or just any inanimate object, what was it? What was
- 39:02Speaker 1: what's the old saying that Rick Flair could get a
- 39:04Speaker 1: three star match out of a broomstick. Yeah, like you
- 39:08Speaker 1: have talents like that.
- 39:11Speaker 2: Sorry, It just reminded me of this individual who they're
- 39:17Speaker 2: a comedian, and they had gone to a wrestling show
- 39:20Speaker 2: WWE show and they were sitting in the front rows
- 39:23Speaker 2: like a house show, and the Great Collie had come out.
- 39:28Speaker 2: An undertaker has famously said that Giant Gonzales made the
- 39:35Speaker 2: Great Collie look like Luths. And by the way, it
- 39:39Speaker 2: was a El Gillante that was his w c W name,
- 39:44Speaker 2: not however you said it, Jeff l. The Halloween Havoc
- 39:52Speaker 2: match that you all talked about, it was either last
- 39:55Speaker 2: week or the week before the Chamber match, which yeah, yeah,
- 40:01Speaker 2: So in w c W, Jon Gonzalez his name was
- 40:04Speaker 2: l Gionte.
- 40:06Speaker 1: Okay, see I didn't know that. And this is how
- 40:08Speaker 1: you can also tell it. Jason watched a lot more
- 40:11Speaker 1: WCW than I did. Really really both of you did.
- 40:13Speaker 2: Yeah. Well. Also, one of the few wrestling vhs is
- 40:17Speaker 2: that you could rent from this store. It was that
- 40:20Speaker 2: Halloween Havoc So I have I have seen that match
- 40:23Speaker 2: more times than anyone ever should.
- 40:27Speaker 1: Well yeah, and so you like and just to get
- 40:32Speaker 1: back to what we were talking about. Yeah, wrestling, you're
- 40:36Speaker 1: not going a great with everything. Everybody has different, different taste,
- 40:39Speaker 1: everybody likes things a little different. We've talked about the difference,
- 40:43Speaker 1: like like people who like death matches, they are just
- 40:45Speaker 1: they are all about the death match. More power to you.
- 40:49Speaker 1: I like a good death match. I don't want to
- 40:51Speaker 1: see everything on the card being a death match. That's
- 40:54Speaker 1: just like when WC, when ww would do hell in
- 40:57Speaker 1: a Sale and almost every single match would be hell
- 41:02Speaker 1: in a cell. I don't want them all to be
- 41:03Speaker 1: the same.
- 41:04Speaker 2: No, if you overcenturate the market, then you lose the.
- 41:06Speaker 1: Nuance absolutely, And you know talking about like wrestling having
- 41:12Speaker 1: to evolve. So I spent last night. I got off work,
- 41:17Speaker 1: went back to the house, and uh, sitting there eating
- 41:20Speaker 1: my windys, I'm like, you know what, because of where
- 41:23Speaker 1: NXT was in the twenty three hundred arena, they were
- 41:25Speaker 1: in the ECW arena this past week.
- 41:27Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I want to watch
- 41:28Speaker 2: some old ECW. I've watched some, yeah, mainly the pay
- 41:32Speaker 2: per views.
- 41:33Speaker 1: But I haven't watched like Extreme Championship Wrestling Television, you know,
- 41:37Speaker 1: the one that they used to put together there was
- 41:39Speaker 1: like forty five minutes or whatever.
- 41:41Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, it's rough.
- 41:44Speaker 1: Oh like the wrestling great I think it was. It
- 41:48Speaker 1: was Mikey Whipwreck and two Cold Scorpio for the TV titles.
- 41:51Speaker 2: Okay, that was a good it was a good match. Yeah,
- 41:54Speaker 2: but I got two great workers there. Absolutely.
- 41:57Speaker 1: But the opening segment between Stevie Richards and Missy Hyatt
- 42:06Speaker 1: it aged like milk. I can't even say some of
- 42:08Speaker 1: the stuff that was being said in that segment.
- 42:10Speaker 2: Really, a lot of stuff on ECW has not aged well. No,
- 42:14Speaker 2: But that was the point of it back then, because
- 42:17Speaker 2: back then it was like, Okay, we're getting away with
- 42:19Speaker 2: saying it, but it was still supposed to be pretty
- 42:23Speaker 2: I mean extreme. Yeah, it's gonna say.
- 42:25Speaker 1: It's also kind of easy to get away with it
- 42:28Speaker 1: when your show is the one at three o'clock in.
- 42:30Speaker 2: The bourn Oh yeah. Yeah, so because the FCC would
- 42:34Speaker 2: let them.
- 42:35Speaker 1: Be yeah, exactly, and and and and just to like,
- 42:39Speaker 1: like what Josh said about music and being a reflection
- 42:41Speaker 1: of the times, same thing with ECW. ECW was was
- 42:45Speaker 1: a reflection of the time, and because of ECW, that's
- 42:49Speaker 1: how you get the attitude era. Let's be honest, there's
- 42:51Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in the Attitude air that aged
- 42:53Speaker 1: like milk.
- 42:54Speaker 2: Well, not to mention, you know, Mick Foley, he had
- 42:57Speaker 2: just left w CW as Cactus Jack to e c
- 43:00Speaker 2: W tells Paul Hayman that he has this idea that
- 43:03Speaker 2: he wants to be the anti hardcore wrestler. Great and
- 43:06Speaker 2: he becomes this you know, matt based technician. That is
- 43:10Speaker 2: the evolution of a mc foley. Absolutely, and he never
- 43:15Speaker 2: went on to do another hardcore match.
- 43:17Speaker 1: Ever, never again.
- 43:18Speaker 2: Wrestle twenty two, every match after.
- 43:23Speaker 1: Yeah, King of the Ring nineteen ninety eight, is that
- 43:27Speaker 1: when the hell in the sale match was? I think so,
- 43:29Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was King of
- 43:31Speaker 1: the Ring nineteen ninety eight.
- 43:32Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 43:33Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta come from the very first. No, no, no, no,
- 43:37Speaker 1: when when Foley gets thrown off the toptcha.
- 43:40Speaker 2: The first one is the debut of Caine's.
- 43:43Speaker 1: Caine, not Gain or Kip Kine.
- 43:46Speaker 2: Or co Caine or k nine k Caine nine.
- 43:51Speaker 1: Glenn Jacob's Caine. Let's see King of the Ring nineteen
- 43:58Speaker 1: ninety eight.
- 43:58Speaker 2: Yeah, well we looking it up, Josh, what would your
- 44:01Speaker 2: wrestler be like? If you were a wrestler, a character.
- 44:04Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, maybe some kind of harbard is
- 44:09Speaker 3: stinging undertaker.
- 44:11Speaker 2: Okay, I think I would be kind of like a
- 44:14Speaker 2: Hank Hill, and my name would be pro Pane. I'll
- 44:19Speaker 2: tell you what. Right now, I'm playing on opening up
- 44:22Speaker 2: a can of pro Paane and lighting you up. I'll
- 44:25Speaker 2: tell you what.
- 44:26Speaker 1: Now, boy, Bobby, No, now, I'm okay.
- 44:31Speaker 2: Dad, Dad.
- 44:35Speaker 1: And it was King of the Ring nineteen ninety eight.
- 44:37Speaker 2: Okay ninety eight. It was the co main event actually yeah, yeah,
- 44:40Speaker 2: because after that it was a first Blood match between
- 44:44Speaker 2: Steve Austin and Cain.
- 44:45Speaker 1: Yeap with Paul Bear.
- 44:51Speaker 2: They all can't be winners, all right, Yeah, they all
- 44:53Speaker 2: can't be as good as the Baddie. That's true.
- 44:56Speaker 1: Which you said you listened to the past couple of
- 44:58Speaker 1: episodes you heard.
- 45:00Speaker 2: Was it last week about the Batty getting to be
- 45:03Speaker 2: governor of Minnesota?
- 45:04Speaker 1: Yeah, well that was Jesse Ventura. They got to be
- 45:06Speaker 1: the governor of Minnesota. Yeah, the Batty is I don't
- 45:09Speaker 1: where the Batty's at in there.
- 45:11Speaker 2: He might be in the other studio. He's just sitting
- 45:14Speaker 2: over there, like where's everybody at See, I can do
- 45:17Speaker 2: a pretty good batty impression. Yeah surprising. Where's everyone at home?
- 45:23Speaker 2: I haven't seen anyone in a few weeks. Where are
- 45:27Speaker 2: the people?
- 45:28Speaker 3: Huh?
- 45:30Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we Who are you? Is it
- 45:35Speaker 2: empty over there? Yeah? Yeah? Oh wow, Yeah, I've not
- 45:37Speaker 2: been home that they've been remodeling. Don't mind me, fellas,
- 45:41Speaker 2: I'm just gonna ship in the corner. I know what
- 45:47Speaker 2: I'm here for. Why are you here? Oh my goodness,
- 45:51Speaker 2: don't move my blanky. Take a nap nap, Go and
- 45:56Speaker 2: get me a juice box.
- 45:57Speaker 1: Take me a nap nap.
- 46:01Speaker 2: Maybe even a caprice son? Uh huh? What a caprice shun?
- 46:09Speaker 2: You know, like the little pouch you have a straw,
- 46:12Speaker 2: you punch it through, It goes all the way through,
- 46:14Speaker 2: Your juice goes everywhere. It's not a Joe Spox, It's
- 46:18Speaker 2: a capri son. Do you not know what a caprice
- 46:23Speaker 2: shun is? There? Jeff, how do you not know what
- 46:27Speaker 2: a caprice shun is?
- 46:28Speaker 1: What?
- 46:31Speaker 2: Next? You're gonna tell me that you actually believe cookies
- 46:34Speaker 2: are real? The cake is a lie.
- 46:38Speaker 1: Cookies are a real thing, Yes they are.
- 46:42Speaker 2: I will bring you tiny burnt cakes jesus.
- 46:49Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, I was looking something on.
- 46:52Speaker 2: They are sweet crackers.
- 46:55Speaker 1: Cookies are sweet crackers.
- 46:58Speaker 2: You've got two types of what people call cookies. They're
- 47:02Speaker 2: not actual cookies. What they are is you have a
- 47:04Speaker 2: sweet cracker and a tiny burnt cake, and an oreo
- 47:10Speaker 2: is just two tiny burnt cakes with some cream in between.
- 47:15Speaker 2: Who am I tiny cake?
- 47:17Speaker 1: Tiny cake?
- 47:18Speaker 2: Tiny cake? Okay, tiny cake.
- 47:23Speaker 1: But just to close this discussion out.
- 47:25Speaker 2: You see, I think I do a good batty impression.
- 47:28Speaker 1: Surprising. It's almost as good as your Harry carry hid.
- 47:35Speaker 2: Someone says something about tiny cake. I like tiny cakes.
- 47:39Speaker 2: I talk him in a big glass of milk.
- 47:43Speaker 1: Anyway, just to close this discussion out, I think can
- 47:47Speaker 1: the three of us agree?
- 47:49Speaker 3: No, you gotta try new things to see what works.
- 47:52Speaker 1: Let's shift gears.
- 47:54Speaker 2: We got the main event. It looks like all the
- 47:57Speaker 2: top it's been done. It's time for me event.
- 48:02Speaker 1: All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is the main event
- 48:05Speaker 1: where we go ahead and let you know what your
- 48:06Speaker 1: upcoming week of professional wrestling is going to look like nationally,
- 48:10Speaker 1: internationally and locally. As far as nationally goes, it's gonna
- 48:14Speaker 1: be about the same.
- 48:14Speaker 2: This week.
- 48:15Speaker 1: NXT will go back to Tuesday because there is no
- 48:17Speaker 1: an election this week, so you know it would just
- 48:19Speaker 1: be Monday Night Roll, Tuesday will be NXT, Wednesday will
- 48:22Speaker 1: be Dynamite, Thursday will be a Ring of Honor and TNA.
- 48:25Speaker 1: Friday will be SmackDown and Rampage, and then Saturday will
- 48:29Speaker 1: be Collision. So that's what it looks like.
- 48:31Speaker 2: We still have an update on NWBA.
- 48:33Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't heard anything from them so and they're
- 48:36Speaker 1: not on They're not on X right now right, so that's.
- 48:39Speaker 3: Twenty ninth at least that's what the original date was.
- 48:41Speaker 1: Okay, well, and we haven't heard anything else.
- 48:43Speaker 2: So also a quick side note, Josh, if you pay attention,
- 48:46Speaker 2: you might learn how to actually do this. What you'll
- 48:51Speaker 2: see Jeff hit it.
- 48:55Speaker 1: Hold hold. Before we get to that, we do have
- 48:58Speaker 1: one show internationally I gotta put out there. So New
- 49:01Speaker 1: Japan is Stardom's historic cross over to will be on
- 49:05Speaker 1: November seventeen, So I just gotta put that out there.
- 49:07Speaker 2: That's good. But now Jeff hit it.
- 49:11Speaker 1: So for locally, we have another light weekend but with
- 49:13Speaker 1: heavy hitters. There are all these are all on Saturday,
- 49:17Speaker 1: November sixteenth, All Star Wrestling will be at the Madison
- 49:20Speaker 1: Civic Center in Madison, West Virginia presenting.
- 49:22Speaker 2: War Games Very Nice, Very Evil.
- 49:28Speaker 1: Which will feature the titular War Games match. Meet and
- 49:32Speaker 1: greet is at five o'clock and belltim is at seven o'clock.
- 49:35Speaker 1: Reserved seating is twenty dollars and general mission is fifteen
- 49:38Speaker 1: dollars d. This show will be very nice and very
- 49:43Speaker 1: evil as it will feature the ASW return of Dernhouser,
- 49:51Speaker 1: who has performed in All Elite Wrestling and Ring of Honor.
- 49:54Speaker 2: It was all in singles action too. Yes.
- 49:56Speaker 1: It will also feature WW Hall of Famer Rick Rickey
- 49:59Speaker 1: Morton and his son.
- 50:01Speaker 2: Not Ricky Morton, Kerrie Morton the w in tag Action okay.
- 50:06Speaker 1: Additionally, current WW agent and West Virginia's own Jamie Noble
- 50:10Speaker 1: will be will also be at the event hangover yep,
- 50:15Speaker 1: which he makes.
- 50:16Speaker 4: Me wonder if maybe this is the kind of the beginning.
- 50:18Speaker 2: Of them being a w BA id.
- 50:20Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll say. Atlantic Terror Championship Wrestling presents.
- 50:24Speaker 2: The November Rumble.
- 50:28Speaker 1: At the Leetown Community Center and Carneysville, West Virginia.
- 50:31Speaker 2: Bell Thomas seven seven b roof fifteen dollars, General twelve dollars.
- 50:40Speaker 2: This eventual.
- 50:41Speaker 1: This event will feature a rumble match for a shot
- 50:44Speaker 1: at the atc W Heavyweight Championship. The event will also
- 50:48Speaker 1: feature Attitude era wrestler Dwayne gil formerly.
- 50:51Speaker 2: Known as Guililberg Gilberg.
- 50:56Speaker 1: Who was the longest reigning light heavyweight champion under the
- 51:00Speaker 1: WWE banner WWWF at the time.
- 51:03Speaker 4: Just to clarify, the light Heavyweight Championship existed before WWE
- 51:07Speaker 4: took it over.
- 51:08Speaker 1: That's why. Oh wow, I didn't know that there's actually
- 51:10Speaker 1: a longer raining but it wasn't on ww oh okay, okay.
- 51:14Speaker 1: West Virginia Wrestling Federation and Mountain Mama Wrestling will be
- 51:17Speaker 1: at the Richardson Building in Parkersburg, West Virginia, Bell Thomas
- 51:21Speaker 1: seven o'clock and tickets are ten dollars, while kids five
- 51:24Speaker 1: and under get in free. This event will feature first
- 51:28Speaker 1: round tournament matches for the Mountain Mama Wrestling Championship, with
- 51:32Speaker 1: West Virginia TikTok Star Possum the Apple Action serving as
- 51:38Speaker 1: a special guest ring announcer.
- 51:41Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so what you have? What you have here
- 51:44Speaker 2: is a seven pm. Tickets are ten dollars. Kids five
- 51:47Speaker 2: and under get in for free.
- 51:48Speaker 1: Yeah all right, ladies, gentlemen, that was the main events
- 51:53Speaker 1: Mountain Mama Wrestling.
- 51:54Speaker 4: They've been trying to get an inaugural show happening. They
- 51:56Speaker 4: haven't had that yet. That's why this tournament matches are
- 51:58Speaker 4: on that show.
- 51:59Speaker 2: Okay, all right, it would be great. You know, people
- 52:03Speaker 2: go out and support local wrestling.
- 52:04Speaker 1: Yes exactly, and we're gonna tie it up right there
- 52:08Speaker 1: in that little, nice little boath. We're gonna take a
- 52:10Speaker 1: quick break and when we come back, we have the
- 52:11Speaker 1: final few moments of the show. So seek.
- 52:20Speaker 2: Once again. Here's Hollywood, Jeff Petty.
- 52:25Speaker 1: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to the final segment of
- 52:27Speaker 1: the grill Outs.
- 52:28Speaker 2: I'm your host, Hollywood, Jeff.
- 52:29Speaker 1: Betty, and I'm joined by Jason Linkins, the Reflection and Perfection,
- 52:33Speaker 1: the most humblest man Alive.
- 52:35Speaker 2: That's right here, I am, and we're getting ready to
- 52:39Speaker 2: do reflections of the show.
- 52:43Speaker 1: You know, I kind of like that. It's a name
- 52:45Speaker 1: for this final segment, whatsoever. Also grill Out Heavyweight Predictions
- 52:50Speaker 1: Champions say, guys, look, it's Josh Cole. Hey hey on here,
- 52:55Speaker 1: Why yo. We've had We've had the battye on here,
- 52:59Speaker 1: We've had Harry cat Area on here, We've had we
- 53:02Speaker 1: just had Shaggy what is it.
- 53:04Speaker 2: Christopher Walken once? Yeah, when do we have Christopher walking
- 53:07Speaker 2: A long time ago? Yeah, it's been a long time,
- 53:11Speaker 2: A year ago, it's been a while. Oh man.
- 53:15Speaker 1: The fool fighters, the fool Fighters fighters. You know, like
- 53:21Speaker 1: the reason why he has his uh, he has that
- 53:23Speaker 1: distinct like cadence to him, it's because he grew up.
- 53:28Speaker 1: He's like where he grew up was like around a
- 53:31Speaker 1: bunch of immigrants, and yeah he was He's he grew
- 53:34Speaker 1: up in New York, but it was it was like
- 53:35Speaker 1: a heavily like immigrants in this and then in a neighborhood.
- 53:39Speaker 1: So he didn't like learn English from like native speakers.
- 53:44Speaker 1: He learned English from people who's it was their second language.
- 53:47Speaker 1: So that's why he has the cadence.
- 53:48Speaker 2: He didn't had dinner with Christopher Walken once? Did you
- 53:52Speaker 2: really I should? I walk right into that every.
- 53:56Speaker 1: Single time, every single time I walked into that. Anyway,
- 54:01Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this show. Ladies and gentlemen,
- 54:04Speaker 1: let us know what you think about the evolution of
- 54:06Speaker 1: professional wrestling. Do you think it's a necessary thing? Do
- 54:08Speaker 1: you think it you know, there is a little bit
- 54:10Speaker 1: too much evolution.
- 54:12Speaker 2: Is it a mystery? Rob van Dam.
- 54:15Speaker 3: Thinks ww Eddy is a revival of the wrestling territories.
- 54:19Speaker 2: We'll see. Yeah, oh, thanks for that bit of information there.
- 54:22Speaker 1: Josh had to reflects on the show and also Nunzio
- 54:26Speaker 1: was at twenty three hundred arena, same for Bubbaret and
- 54:29Speaker 1: Devon and oh okay, yeah, oh wow, okay. I did
- 54:34Speaker 1: like the opening to it. I thought that was really cool.
- 54:36Speaker 1: That's why I was like, hey, I saw the opening.
- 54:39Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I kind of I'm in the
- 54:41Speaker 1: mood to watch some classic ECW. Email us the girl
- 54:45Speaker 1: at ninety five at gmail dot comics. You go like
- 54:47Speaker 1: the Facebook page, Uh yeah, yeah, we get a lot
- 54:50Speaker 1: of engagement on there.
- 54:51Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly.
- 54:53Speaker 1: And until next time, fellow wrestling fans, have a good one.
- 54:58Speaker 2: When you're good, you're good, But when you're great, you're
- 55:03Speaker 2: me
- 55:04Speaker 1: Die Die flock and good nice b