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1 Thessalonians 5:12-15 - The Responsibility of Lay People For Making a Successful Church · The Bible Explained with Jenn Kokal

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  Speaker 1: Good morning, faithful listeners, and welcome to the Bible Explain Podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: On this lovely Tuesday morning. We're going to be in
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  Speaker 1: the last portion of First Thessalonians five today talking about
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  Speaker 1: Paul's instructions for the lay people that includes you and me.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see if the Bible has to say about
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  Speaker 1: this in just a moment, So, faithful listeners, I could
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  Speaker 1: use some prayer. I'm not going to go into it
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  Speaker 1: too much because I'm not gonna complain to you guys,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of stuff happening behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: that is making doing this podcast very difficult for me
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  Speaker 1: right now. A lot of tech issues, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: software problems, not to mention, like ninety percent of my
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  Speaker 1: podcast was unavailable last week and even now only eighty
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  Speaker 1: percent of my podcast is still available. You can't find
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  Speaker 1: seasons one and half of two anywhere, and uh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just there's a lot going on software wise. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't usually like to throw around the term spiritual warfare,
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  Speaker 1: but I truly am feeling it right now. I'm feeling it,
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  Speaker 1: and not to mention, I am sick again, and this
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  Speaker 1: is something that has been happening to me as you
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  Speaker 1: guys know, every two to three months, I am getting sick.
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  Speaker 1: I get a fever, a sore throat, a cold, or
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  Speaker 1: a flu, not to mention all the stomach problems that
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  Speaker 1: I've been having these past couple years. This has been
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  Speaker 1: going on now for two years, and this is not normal.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm getting sick as often as
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  Speaker 1: I am. And you know, my immune system is just
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  Speaker 1: broken right now. It's like broken right now, and it's
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  Speaker 1: very very frustrating. Let me just tell you that. So
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  Speaker 1: if you guys could pray for me, and I told
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  Speaker 1: you at the beginning, I'm not going to complain proceeds
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  Speaker 1: to complain. If you guys could pray for me, that
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  Speaker 1: would be very helpful. I think there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: spiritual warfare going on in my life right now and
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  Speaker 1: it's discouraging. So if you guys could pray for me
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  Speaker 1: to be encouraged, pray for the tech problems to end
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  Speaker 1: over here on the Bible explained, and also pray for
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  Speaker 1: my health, I'd be very appreciative of all that. But
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  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and read for Theesseelonians five twelve through
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  Speaker 1: fifteen today. I thought we would finish for Theeselonians five today.
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  Speaker 1: But I was wrong. It turns out there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: to talk about in verses twelve through fifteen. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's an important thing to discuss because it's about the
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  Speaker 1: role for the average congregant. What is our job when
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  Speaker 1: we go to church. We do have a job, actually,
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  Speaker 1: and Paul talks about it right here. So I'll be
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  Speaker 1: reading from the web as usual, but feel free to
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  Speaker 1: grab the version of the Bible that you prefer. Let's
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and read first Thesselonians five twelve through fifteen.
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  Speaker 1: But we beg thank you, brothers, to know those who
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  Speaker 1: labor among you and are over you and the Lord,
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  Speaker 1: and admonish you, and to respect and honor them in
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  Speaker 1: love for their work's sake. Be it peace among yourselves.
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  Speaker 1: We exhort you, brothers, admonish the disorderly, encourage the fate hearted,
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  Speaker 1: support the week, be patient toward all, See that no
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  Speaker 1: one returns evil for evil to anyone, but always follow
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  Speaker 1: after that which is good for one another and for all.
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  Speaker 1: I often talk on this podcast about the problems that
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  Speaker 1: pastors often have and how you know when you go
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  Speaker 1: to a church you should be very careful about who
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  Speaker 1: your pastor is, what he's preaching, and how he's treating people.
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  Speaker 1: I talk about that quite a bit on the podcast,
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  Speaker 1: but something I talk a little bit less about is
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  Speaker 1: the responsibility of the congregants, because congregants do have a
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  Speaker 1: responsibility toward their pastor also. So we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into that. And by the way, Paul is closing out
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  Speaker 1: this letter here. This is the last portion of First
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  Speaker 1: Theissonians five today, so we're finished with this book almost.
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  Speaker 1: But it says an verse twelve, we beg you, brothers,
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  Speaker 1: to know those who labor among you and who are
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  Speaker 1: over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to
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  Speaker 1: respect and honor them in love for their work's sake.
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  Speaker 1: Paul there is addressing the congregants themselves, not the pastors
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  Speaker 1: this time, but the congregants. He says, we beg you, brothers,
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  Speaker 1: to know those who labor among you. In other words,
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  Speaker 1: to recognize the leaders that they are not just living
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  Speaker 1: the high life, but they actually have a labor that
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  Speaker 1: they are doing, and it's a difficult labor. It's not
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  Speaker 1: an easy labor. In fact, Paul says, to honor them
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  Speaker 1: for their work's sake, because they are doing a hard job.
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  Speaker 1: You know, pastors really do have a very, very difficult job.
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  Speaker 1: I think some people think that pastors have it really easy,
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  Speaker 1: and that might be the case in you know, certain circles,
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  Speaker 1: some churches, but the average pastor of a small congregation
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  Speaker 1: has a very difficult job because that pastor has to
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  Speaker 1: take care of the spiritual needs of however many people
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  Speaker 1: they have in their church. The pastor gets calls all
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  Speaker 1: the time from people in crisis. He has to counsel people,
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  Speaker 1: probably without any pay. He's got to be at the
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  Speaker 1: church anytime there is a problem, not to mention having
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  Speaker 1: to patiently deal with conflict on a daily basis, and
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  Speaker 1: even get into uncomfortable conversations with people about their sin
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  Speaker 1: or maybe something that they are doing wrong. You know,
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  Speaker 1: in the case of my brother in law, who is
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  Speaker 1: a pastor, my sister's husband, he will be working at
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  Speaker 1: the church at like midnight, finishing up projects that other
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  Speaker 1: people weren't able to do. You know, my brother in law,
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  Speaker 1: he's always at the church. He's always on a call
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  Speaker 1: with somebody, always just working very hard for the people.
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  Speaker 1: Pastors do not have it easy, which which is why
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  Speaker 1: Paul tells the congregants to honor and respect and love
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  Speaker 1: their pastors. So what does this mean, Well, this means
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  Speaker 1: to respect what your pastor has to say, to love
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  Speaker 1: him and his family, to want to support him in
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  Speaker 1: his family. Doesn't necessarily have to be with finances. It
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  Speaker 1: can be through labor. Maybe you see your pastor at
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  Speaker 1: the church at like ten o'clock at night doing something
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  Speaker 1: that other people could do, Maybe you could take that
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to volunteer for that position so your pastor does
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  Speaker 1: not have to do it, you know, taking some loads
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  Speaker 1: off of your pastor and off the pastor's wife even
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  Speaker 1: as well. That is what loving and respecting your pastor means.
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  Speaker 1: And also it means not correcting your pastor for every
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  Speaker 1: little thing, not playing devil's advocate for every little thing.
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  Speaker 1: There's a really good quote by Spurgeon that I actually
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  Speaker 1: have attached to my computer because it really impacted me
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  Speaker 1: as somebody who is very critical. And if you guys
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  Speaker 1: watch my discussions episodes I do with my sister, you
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  Speaker 1: will know I'm quite a critical person. So here's the
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  Speaker 1: quote by Spurgeon. The firmest believers are exercised with unbelief,
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  Speaker 1: and it would be doing the devil's work with a
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  Speaker 1: vengeance if they were to publish abroad all their questionings
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  Speaker 1: and suspicions. I feel like that is a really good quote,
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  Speaker 1: because every single person has questions and suspicions, even if
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  Speaker 1: they are the firmest believer on the planet. Some of
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  Speaker 1: us naturally like to play devil's advocate, right, Spurgeon actually says,
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  Speaker 1: you're doing the devil's work if you publish abroad all
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  Speaker 1: of your questionings and suspicions. Now that's not to say
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  Speaker 1: if you see a legitimate concern that you don't present it,
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  Speaker 1: that you don't bring it forward. Obviously you do. Like
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  Speaker 1: if you see your pastor engaging in a blatant sin
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  Speaker 1: that is outlined in scripture, then yes, you bring that forward.
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  Speaker 1: You go to the elders of your church and talk
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  Speaker 1: about that, because that's not acceptable. We don't tolerate sin. Right,
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  Speaker 1: But when it comes to really small things that are innocuous,
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  Speaker 1: such as the way the pastor might word something, or semantics,
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  Speaker 1: or just something that your pastor did that you don't
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  Speaker 1: really like, like for example, changing the coffee bar. And
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  Speaker 1: I used that example because that was something I was
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  Speaker 1: irritated about, like a year ago. Our church actually had
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  Speaker 1: this coffee bar that I helped set up about five
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  Speaker 1: years ago. And I went into the church one Sunday
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  Speaker 1: last year and the coffee bar was just gone, Like
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  Speaker 1: it was completely changed. It was over in the corner.
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  Speaker 1: There was no more like tables and chairs, like everything
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  Speaker 1: was different. And I was really irritated about that. I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: why did we change that? It was perfect the way
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  Speaker 1: it was before. And I was kind of stewing over it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, And my husband's like, Jen, is
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  Speaker 1: this really something to be this angry about, Like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you need to check yourself. That's what my
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  Speaker 1: husband told me, and I did. And to be fair,
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  Speaker 1: I still don't really like the coffee set up at
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  Speaker 1: our church, but I do see and understand why they
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  Speaker 1: changed it from where it was before the way it
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  Speaker 1: is now. It has a more open floor plan where
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  Speaker 1: people can kind of gather together instead of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the coffee area kind of taking up a bunch of space.
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  Speaker 1: So thankfully I had a husband who was telling me
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  Speaker 1: that I was overreacting about something that didn't matter that much.
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  Speaker 1: Because say I didn't have my husband say that, I
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  Speaker 1: was super irritated about that coffee bar, I probably would
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  Speaker 1: have gone to my pastor and been like, why did
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  Speaker 1: you change this? This is ridiculous. You know, it was
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  Speaker 1: better the way it was before, and that would have
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  Speaker 1: just been an extra burden placed on my pastor's shoulders
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  Speaker 1: about something that really, in the grand scheme of things,
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  Speaker 1: does not matter that much. So we don't place unneeded
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  Speaker 1: burdens on our pastors either. We have to be very
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  Speaker 1: careful with how we are treating him. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: pastor already has so many burdens he's dealing with because
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  Speaker 1: he has to think about his own family and himself,
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  Speaker 1: but also every single member inside his church. And that's
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  Speaker 1: why Paul says in verse twelve that he begs, begs
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  Speaker 1: the congregants to show love to the pastor, to not
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  Speaker 1: bring every little irritation to him, not criticize his every move,
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  Speaker 1: but just show him kindness and thank him for the
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  Speaker 1: hard work. Actually, Paul says, honor him for the hard
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  Speaker 1: work that he is doing. And this goes for all
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  Speaker 1: the church leaders, not just the pastor, but for the elders,
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  Speaker 1: for the teachers, and anyone else who has a prominent
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  Speaker 1: role in the church. Honor them and respect them. And
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  Speaker 1: as Paul begs the congregants to do this thing, I
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  Speaker 1: also beg you guys to do the same thing to
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  Speaker 1: your pastors and your teachers and your leaders in your
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  Speaker 1: church as well. We show them honor and respect. And honestly,
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  Speaker 1: if you can't do that, like if you are going
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  Speaker 1: to a church where you don't respect the pastor where
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  Speaker 1: you don't respect the leaders, then honestly, I do encourage
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  Speaker 1: you to find a church where you can respect those people,
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  Speaker 1: because in the long run you're probably going to be happier,
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  Speaker 1: and also the pastor and leaders of the church will
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  Speaker 1: be happier as well. Now, if you find yourself in
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  Speaker 1: a situation where you never respect the pastor or the
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  Speaker 1: elders of any church that you go to, well, at
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  Speaker 1: that point in time, it might be a good idea
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  Speaker 1: to pray to God and help him reveal to you
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  Speaker 1: why you are struggling to respect the authority of every
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  Speaker 1: church you've ever been to, and he might reveal something
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  Speaker 1: that's in your heart. But just remember in the meantime
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  Speaker 1: that respecting authority figures whether they're spiritual authority or governmental authority.
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  Speaker 1: That's a command straight from scripture, we are to honor
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  Speaker 1: our leaders, the people who God placed over us. And
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  Speaker 1: then Paul says in verse thirteen, be at peace among yourselves. Now, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: if you show honor and respect to the people it's due,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna have more peace both with yourself and with
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  Speaker 1: everybody in your church as well, including your pastor and
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  Speaker 1: your leaders. Then in verse fourteen, we exhort you brothers,
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  Speaker 1: admonish the disorderly, encourage the faint hearted, support the weak,
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  Speaker 1: be patient toward all. See that no one returns evil
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  Speaker 1: for evil to anyone, but always follow after that which
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  Speaker 1: is good for one another and for all. So not
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  Speaker 1: only do the church leaders have a responsibility to the church,
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  Speaker 1: but actually each member of the church has a responsibility
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  Speaker 1: to each other. Everybody these days kind of thinks that
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  Speaker 1: church is supposed to be run by one person and
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  Speaker 1: we just show up on Sunday morning and then we leave.
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  Speaker 1: But it's clear in scripture that church is so much
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  Speaker 1: more than that. It's not just something we go to
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  Speaker 1: once a week on Sunday mornings and then we leave
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  Speaker 1: and then we don't really think about it throughout the week,
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  Speaker 1: and we go back the next Sunday. It's much much
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  Speaker 1: more than that. When we go as congregants, as lay people,
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  Speaker 1: we are to encourage and admonish our brothers and sisters
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  Speaker 1: in Christ. We are to be the hands and feet
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus. You know, the pastor has a bigger responsibility,
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  Speaker 1: but we also have responsibilities as well to each other.
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  Speaker 1: Paul says, admonish the disorderly. So the word admonish obviously
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  Speaker 1: means to gently correct somebody, put them on the right path.
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  Speaker 1: So if somebody is being disorderly in the church, and
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  Speaker 1: that's not to mean that they're disorganized, which I guess
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  Speaker 1: that could be part of it. But when Paul talks
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  Speaker 1: about order in the church, which is mentioned in First
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  Speaker 1: Corinthians fifteen, I think, if I am remembering correctly, I
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  Speaker 1: might be wrong about that. But it's in one of
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  Speaker 1: the Corinthians where Paul talks about order in the church
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  Speaker 1: and he mentions that there is a clear way church
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to be done. So let me actually let
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  Speaker 1: me find that. Pass it drill quick, Okay, I was close.
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  Speaker 1: It was First Corinthians fourteen twenty six through thirty three.
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  Speaker 1: And here's what this says. What is it, then, brothers,
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  Speaker 1: when you come together. Each one of you has a psalm,
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  Speaker 1: as a teaching, has a revelation, has another language, or
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  Speaker 1: has an interpretation. Let all these things done, or let
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  Speaker 1: all these things be done to build each other up.
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  Speaker 1: If a man speaks in another language, let there be
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  Speaker 1: two or most three, and in turn let one interpret.
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  Speaker 1: But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent
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  Speaker 1: in the assembly, and let him speak to himself and
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  Speaker 1: to God. Let two or three of the prophets speak,
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  Speaker 1: and let the others discern. But if the revelation is
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  Speaker 1: made to another sitting by, let the first be kept silent.
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  Speaker 1: For you can all prophesy one by one, that you
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  Speaker 1: all may learn and be exhorted. The spirits of the
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  Speaker 1: prophets are subject to the prophets, for God is not
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  Speaker 1: a god of confusion, but of peace, as in all
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  Speaker 1: the assemblies of the saints. So that is how church
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  Speaker 1: is supposed to be done. Basically, it's not everybody talking
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  Speaker 1: all at once, It is not everybody remaining silent just
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  Speaker 1: listening to one person speak the whole time. Instead, it's
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  Speaker 1: something right in the middle, where people go up and
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  Speaker 1: present a psalm, present a teaching, a revelation, a song,
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  Speaker 1: maybe a tongue or an interpretation or a prophecy of
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  Speaker 1: some sort, and these people just kind of go up
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  Speaker 1: one by one and present these things. So, according to
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  Speaker 1: Paul's interpretation of how church should be done, the congregation
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  Speaker 1: has a role in all of this. Now, needless to say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately, or is not done this way at
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  Speaker 1: least not too often. But a lot of churches do
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  Speaker 1: try to follow some semblance of this. For example, there's
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  Speaker 1: scriptural readings, or the congregation might take part in that.
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  Speaker 1: There's corporate worship, there's readings from scripture, there's a message
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  Speaker 1: from the pastor or from the associate pastor, there's a greeting.
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  Speaker 1: So churches do have some amount of order to them.
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  Speaker 1: Whenever Paul talks about somebody being disorderly, it's somebody who
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  Speaker 1: is not falling in line with the order that the
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  Speaker 1: church has. Somebody speaking out or being rude while somebody
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  Speaker 1: else is sharing or just in general being distracting during
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  Speaker 1: church or disorderly in some way. Paul says we need
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  Speaker 1: to admonish that type of behavior. He also says we
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  Speaker 1: need to encourage the faint hearted. So it would be
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  Speaker 1: anybody who is scared to share their faith, not super bold,
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  Speaker 1: encourage them to be bolder. He says, we need to
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  Speaker 1: support the week. I would imagine this would be anybody
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  Speaker 1: who can't support themselves, so the fatherless, the widows, or
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  Speaker 1: the sick. And then in verse fifteen, we need to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that no one returns evil for evil. So
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  Speaker 1: nobody shows revenge to anybody for a hurt that was
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  Speaker 1: done to them, but always follow after that which is
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  Speaker 1: good for one another and for all. So this is
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  Speaker 1: the responsibility that congregants have to each other. We are
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  Speaker 1: supposed to encourage each other, admonish each other, support each other,
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  Speaker 1: be patient towards everybody. I think I might have missed
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  Speaker 1: that one. Actually, he says, be patient toward all. And man,
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  Speaker 1: is that not hard to do? You know, when you're
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  Speaker 1: at church and somebody is just irritating you for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: it can be very hard to be patient towards your
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  Speaker 1: fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. But that is what
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  Speaker 1: Jesus calls us to do. He was the pinnacle of
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  Speaker 1: all of these things. He admonished people, he encouraged people,
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  Speaker 1: he supported people, he was patient with people, and he
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  Speaker 1: taught people to live in a way that was not
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  Speaker 1: self seeking, but was others focused. So in a nutshell,
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  Speaker 1: as lay people, we have a responsibility in our church.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe not as a big responsibility as the pastor has,
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  Speaker 1: but in our own way, we have a responsibility to
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  Speaker 1: each other. And it's a big responsibility because you know,
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  Speaker 1: people aren't going to church just because they like the pastor.
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  Speaker 1: When someone sticks at a church, it's because of the people.
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  Speaker 1: It's because people were kind to them, or they feel
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  Speaker 1: that they have a community at that church, and that
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  Speaker 1: is all due to the average congregant. So us lay people,
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  Speaker 1: we have a big role in the success of our churches. Well,
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  Speaker 1: faithful listeners, I'm not gonna lie. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be an episode tomorrow, depending on how I
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  Speaker 1: feel specifically with my voice. If I can get an
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  Speaker 1: episode done, I certainly will. I actually do want to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that you guys get the Bible every single day.
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  Speaker 1: That is my goal with the Bible Explained podcast, So
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  Speaker 1: anytime I can get an episode done, I certainly will.
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  Speaker 1: But faithful listeners, I will hopefully see you guys tomorrow
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  Speaker 1: for an episode around the second to chronicles and we'll
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  Speaker 1: talk more about Solomon building the Temple to God and
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  Speaker 1: all the things that take place with that. Faithful listeners
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  Speaker 1: have a fantastic and wonderful, wonderful rest of your day,
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  Speaker 1: happy listening, and God bless