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The Late Debate | 8 January · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Late Debate. I'm Caroline Marcus,
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  Speaker 3: joined tonight by Sky News contributor Kel Richards and broadcaster
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  Speaker 3: Lucy Zelich. We begin tonight with major news from Meta,
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  Speaker 3: the company that owns Facebook and Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: It's getting rid of its so called fact checkers.
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  Speaker 4: Woo Yes.
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  Speaker 3: CEO Mark Zuckerberg has finally admitted what was obvious to
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  Speaker 3: everyone else on social media.
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  Speaker 1: Fact checkers are biased.
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  Speaker 5: And we've reached a point where it's just too many
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  Speaker 5: mistakes in too much censorship. The recent elections also feel
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  Speaker 5: like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech.
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  Speaker 5: So we're going to get back to our roots and
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  Speaker 5: focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free
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  Speaker 5: expression on our platforms. The fact checkers have just been
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  Speaker 5: too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created,
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  Speaker 5: especially in the US.
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  Speaker 3: Whoa Zuckerberg dropping some major truth bombs instead, Meadow will
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  Speaker 3: now introduce community notes now. These are like Elon Musk's
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  Speaker 3: community notes on X, where users can provide contacts for
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  Speaker 3: posts that they.
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  Speaker 1: Find false or misleading. Now Lucy.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is a great move from Facebook, but honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it should have ever taken Trump's reelection
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  Speaker 3: in order for them to make this no one.
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  Speaker 4: This is a very classic kiss the Ring moment, isn't it.
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  Speaker 6: They're all recognized that Trump president elect Trump is coming
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  Speaker 6: back into power, and that it's time to recognize that
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  Speaker 6: this is no longer the in thing to do.
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  Speaker 4: We're not being.
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  Speaker 6: Swayed by a very left and biased government who love
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  Speaker 6: to attack the right with their community notes and ideas
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  Speaker 6: of misinformation.
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  Speaker 4: But we've been.
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  Speaker 6: Seeing it go on for so long now, and I'm
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  Speaker 6: so glad that the pendulum has started to swing back
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  Speaker 6: the other way, and we're seeing it swing back towards
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  Speaker 6: common sense, to more conservative views, and to being open
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  Speaker 6: to all of that. I mean, you only have to
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  Speaker 6: look back to what happened in the election and all
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  Speaker 6: of those you know, those slabs of misinformation, you know,
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  Speaker 6: fact checking issues pertaining to Trump occurring them censoring political
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  Speaker 6: speech and content on Facebook in particular, to recognize that
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  Speaker 6: they couldn't trust these social media platforms. And the bigger
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  Speaker 6: question that always kind of aroused my suspicion around this
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  Speaker 6: as well, was who are we leaving it to to
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  Speaker 6: determine what misleading information is? Is it some lefty activists
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  Speaker 6: that's working at these organizations that's guiding us on what
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  Speaker 6: is right and what is wrong? It was just a circus.
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  Speaker 6: So it's nice to see that a bit of common
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  Speaker 6: sense is coming back into the frame.
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  Speaker 3: Kel I thought that satirical site Babylon Be put it perfectly.
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  Speaker 3: Today they said the guy who said Facebook wasn't suppressing
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  Speaker 3: free speech announces Facebook will stop suppressing free speech. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I mean here isn't exactly a martyr. He was very
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  Speaker 3: much involved. I think matter invested millions of dollars in
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  Speaker 3: order to prop up these fact checking units and to
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  Speaker 3: support organizations that controlled speech in America.
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  Speaker 2: Well, to pick up on Lucy's point, we know who
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  Speaker 2: was doing it because in Australia, for Meta and for
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  Speaker 2: the ABC and for lots of other organizations, it was
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  Speaker 2: being done by a fact checking unit at r m
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  Speaker 2: T in Melbourne. So I went to their website and
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  Speaker 2: I've made a really interesting discovery. This will sound like
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  Speaker 2: I'm making this up, but this is true. The official
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  Speaker 2: name of their checking system is crap. This is live
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  Speaker 2: can this is really it is spelled c R a
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  Speaker 2: AP pronounced crap and those five headings were currency, Relevancy, Authority,
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  Speaker 2: Accuracy and Purpose. I I just think that's wonderful. That's
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  Speaker 2: too good to be true. But what those five different
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  Speaker 2: headings are, they're five different doors through which they can
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  Speaker 2: kick out any message they don't want, and they did
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  Speaker 2: because they kicked out messages that were not leftist messages.
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  Speaker 2: Who picked up on the medi Scare campaign, who said
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  Speaker 2: this is rubbish the Coalition has never said this. Whoever
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  Speaker 2: picked up on the Three Eyed Fish and said this
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  Speaker 2: is rubbish? This is not what nuclear does these days.
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  Speaker 2: They are not fact checking anyone on the lift. They're
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  Speaker 2: only fact checking people who are slightly to the right
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  Speaker 2: of Setter and who show a bit of common sense.
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  Speaker 2: And this is who's doing it. The r MIT unit.
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  Speaker 2: They now have lost their contract. They had a contract
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  Speaker 2: with Meta, So the good news is I said, they've
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  Speaker 2: lost it, but they've still got their crap.
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  Speaker 3: Well Sky News really not too darn horn, but I
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  Speaker 3: will anything. They were really instrumental in exposing the bias
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  Speaker 3: that existed in these fact checking units, and most particularly
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  Speaker 3: this Australian wanted r MIT fact lab now they displayed
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  Speaker 3: obvious bias during the Voice rapperendum. Peter Kredlin in particular,
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  Speaker 3: some of the information and she was coming out with
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  Speaker 3: which turned out to be one hundred percent accurate, things
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  Speaker 3: like that the Illoru statement from the heart was not
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  Speaker 3: one page and that was really key to helping voters
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  Speaker 3: come inform voters in order to make up their minds
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  Speaker 3: at the referendum. They were getting slapped with community notes,
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  Speaker 3: these items of news, this journalism and look Kretlin's come
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  Speaker 3: out today.
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  Speaker 1: Just a short time ago.
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  Speaker 3: She's given a statement to sky News dot com dot
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  Speaker 3: Au and she said that today's about face from Facebook
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  Speaker 3: is a major win for free speech and political expression,
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  Speaker 3: at least in the USA. But if Mark Zuckerberg was
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  Speaker 3: fed income, he would commit to rolling this out globally.
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  Speaker 1: Lucy Yeah, I dare say.
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  Speaker 3: I got to agree with her that this needs to
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  Speaker 3: happen everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with her. And if you cast your
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  Speaker 4: minds back.
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  Speaker 6: There was a report in The Australian in April last
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  Speaker 6: year in which about forty Facebook users who had a
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  Speaker 6: pro nuclear lobby had the content removed because of what
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  Speaker 6: they the meta team had deemed as misleading I mean,
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  Speaker 6: if anything's misleading, it's renewable energy and this fantasy idea
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  Speaker 6: that that's going to be the thing that powers our
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  Speaker 6: entire country.
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  Speaker 4: Where's the fact checking on all of that.
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  Speaker 6: It just seems to be things that are operating within
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  Speaker 6: the right, within the conservative movement, that they just have
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  Speaker 6: this obsession with trying to fact check and label as
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  Speaker 6: misinformation and misleading. So, you know, it's it's a really
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  Speaker 6: it's an interesting time when you look at what's going
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  Speaker 6: on in the US, for example, because that seems to
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  Speaker 6: be a big predicator and a test case for what's
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  Speaker 6: to come.
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  Speaker 4: In Australia.
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  Speaker 6: We're a little bit behind. We're an isolated island, but
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  Speaker 6: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: Have the same free speech protections they do in their in.
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  Speaker 1: Their constitution play we don't have that here.
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  Speaker 3: We still have we have no information laws that there's
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  Speaker 3: some of the toughest affirmation laws in the world here cow.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's still going to be restrictions on what
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  Speaker 3: people can say so and hate speech, and there are
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a free speech absolutist that.
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  Speaker 2: Should be there's always limitations, and there are sensible limitations.
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  Speaker 2: But within those sensible limitations, we have to be able
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  Speaker 2: to say we think the problem is if you analyze
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  Speaker 2: what's going on, there are in fact four categories of
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  Speaker 2: propositions or truth, claims, true, false, disputed, and opinion. And
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  Speaker 2: all this fact checking was based on the idea no,
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  Speaker 2: there's not for this only too. If it doesn't fit
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  Speaker 2: into our category of truth, it's false. They wouldn't acknowledge
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  Speaker 2: there are disputed things you can argue about. They wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: acknowledge people can express opinions. So all of that got canceled.
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  Speaker 2: All of that God wiped out. That's what they've been
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  Speaker 2: doing in Australia. That's a bit they've been doing around
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  Speaker 2: the world. That's the bad news. They've got to be
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  Speaker 2: honest and say, yes, there's room for dispute things we can.
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  Speaker 2: This program is called the Late Debate because it's possible
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  Speaker 2: to have debates about things.
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  Speaker 3: And the other guys one of the few places that
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  Speaker 3: you can have I think absolutely will debate and disagree
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  Speaker 3: and whether we agree we all agree on this right now, whether.
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  Speaker 6: We agree or disagree, I think it's really important to
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  Speaker 6: acknowledge that you have to have that debate, that you
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  Speaker 6: have to be able to stress test and really push
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  Speaker 6: your point of view, whether people disagree with it or not,
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  Speaker 6: to the limits right to determine what is the right
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  Speaker 6: position on this. And if we're all thinking alike, we're
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  Speaker 6: not really thinking very much in all at all. And
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  Speaker 6: I think that that's the kind of point that we
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  Speaker 6: arrived to. But I feel as though this move also
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  Speaker 6: it kind of was inevitable, because the more that the
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  Speaker 6: likes of Mark Zuckerberg and co. Dug their feet and
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  Speaker 6: their heels in, the more credibility they lost. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: we saw the way that legacy media, particularly over the
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  Speaker 6: United States, the way they behaved even through the pandemic,
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  Speaker 6: right with CNN infamously trying to make Joe Rogan look
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  Speaker 6: gray and even more sick than he was.
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  Speaker 4: I feel as though he couldn't avoid this.
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  Speaker 6: It had to happen otherwise, you know, his product was
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  Speaker 6: only going to take an even bigger beating.
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  Speaker 4: So it had to happen.
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  Speaker 6: And I just hope that we see an even greater
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  Speaker 6: still here in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: It's still happening. There was a C and N commentator
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  Speaker 2: that I saw today on television claiming that what Trump
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  Speaker 2: was planning was a military invasion of Greenland. Now I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's just absurd.
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually, we'll come to that in a bit, but
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  Speaker 3: I gotta take hell but that Trump did say that.
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  Speaker 3: He did say he wouldn't rule out and I will
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  Speaker 3: play the grab for viewers in a little while.
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  Speaker 2: Understand sense of humor that is deliberately look at Trump
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  Speaker 2: jokes and they pretend he's seriously.
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  Speaker 1: They're shaken a bit, you're is it?
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  Speaker 3: No, probably not, but he did say it quite literally. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: we'll come to that in a bit. First, I want
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  Speaker 3: to bring the debate a bit closer to home, and
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  Speaker 3: the de facto Palestinian ambassador to Australia has praised the
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  Speaker 3: government for daring to repeatedly anger Israel and break with
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  Speaker 3: the US on its stance on.
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  Speaker 1: The Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: Is that Abduhati also predicted a Labor government would recognize
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  Speaker 3: a Palestinian state if it won the next election. Lucy,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure that's the kind of endorsement you want
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  Speaker 3: as a government. Sure it might go down well in
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  Speaker 3: some Muslim majority seats, which the government is clearly concerned about,
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  Speaker 3: but I I don't accept that most Australians want to
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  Speaker 3: see terrorism rewarded with the creation of a Palestinian state
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  Speaker 3: at this moment in time, just after the worst attack
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  Speaker 3: on Israel in history.
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  Speaker 6: And the point that you also made that I'm really
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  Speaker 6: kind of stuck on in all of this is the
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  Speaker 6: identity politics, which I'm so against, right, this idea of
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  Speaker 6: jostling for votes, this fear of being perceived to be
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  Speaker 6: an Islamophobe or a racist if I am calling out
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  Speaker 6: the facts and illustrating how it really is and what
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  Speaker 6: reality looks like. That's the problem that I have with
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  Speaker 6: the Labor government is that they're so hell bent on
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  Speaker 6: appealing to the ideologues and those voters who they know
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  Speaker 6: have that, you know, the Muslim majority seats, rather than
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  Speaker 6: doing the thing that is right and noble. That's the
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  Speaker 6: part that really doesn't sit well with me because I
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  Speaker 6: think that in the interests of looking at who.
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  Speaker 4: Our allies are, which of course is Israel.
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  Speaker 6: You know, why aren't we all asking that question beyond
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  Speaker 6: this bubble? Why haven't they returned the hostages? You know,
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  Speaker 6: you and I spoke earlier about these beautiful babies that
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  Speaker 6: they suspect.
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  Speaker 4: You know, lost their lives in all of this.
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  Speaker 1: First children.
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  Speaker 6: It's just heartbreaking and so devastating where both mothers.
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  Speaker 4: We kell you're a parent.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this is what people aren't hung up on enough,
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  Speaker 6: is why haven't these hostages been returned. We've seen so
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  Speaker 6: many innocent lives lost, and that's the conversation that we
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  Speaker 6: need to be having, and I want our Australian government
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  Speaker 6: to be strong. We're seeing this rise in anti Semitism,
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  Speaker 6: the disgraceful graffridi that's going on at the moment on
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  Speaker 6: you know, innocent things like e bikes for example.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's another story.
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  Speaker 6: We'll get rid of those, but really, I mean it's
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  Speaker 6: just and on restaurants and people's homes and cars. That's
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  Speaker 6: another story too, and that you know, we can all
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  Speaker 6: agree on. Anthony Albanisi and his government haven't been strong
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  Speaker 6: enough in stamping this out and the rise has just
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  Speaker 6: been appalling.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we might be able to agree on it here,
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  Speaker 3: but certainly that does seem to be a strong sentiment
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  Speaker 3: at least among the pro Palestinian voices that we see
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  Speaker 3: on the streets in Sydney and Melbourne every weekend. Well,
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  Speaker 3: at least they might be a smaller minority, but they're
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  Speaker 3: certainly very noisy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Hel and I think obviously.
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  Speaker 3: They would they would agree with the and boys palasan
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  Speaker 3: in and voice statements here. But do you think the
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  Speaker 3: majority of Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no no. But for me, the worry is if
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  Speaker 2: he likes the Australian government, what does that tell us
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  Speaker 2: about the Australian government. Who your friends are, the people
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  Speaker 2: you've agreed with, the people you've chosen to cozy up
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  Speaker 2: to say something about you. Absolutely, So if suddenly, if
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  Speaker 2: Penny Wong has been saying things that make this man
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  Speaker 2: really happy, what has she been up? It reminded me
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  Speaker 2: of the old story of the drunk and the pig.
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  Speaker 2: The drunk laid down and the gutter the pig came
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  Speaker 2: laid beside him, and the lady walking past said, you
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  Speaker 2: can tell the man who chooses by the man who boozes,
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  Speaker 2: by the company he chooses. And the pig got up
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  Speaker 2: and slowly walked away. The friends you're with say something
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  Speaker 2: a joke, it's not exactly So.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago.
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  Speaker 3: That Hamas itself had come out and praised the Australian government.
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  Speaker 1: Well look look what he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like is he talks about October seventh and
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  Speaker 2: he talks about what's happened since October seventh, and he
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  Speaker 2: clearly takes a Hamas line. This is a man taking
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  Speaker 2: a terrorist line saying the Ausralian government is on the
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  Speaker 2: right line and doing the right thing. That should alarm us.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Look, just to add a note of clarification my own
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  Speaker 3: community note here, according to reports, this Palestinian and boys
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  Speaker 3: As abdul Hardy, he isn't a member of Hamas, nor
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  Speaker 3: is he a member of Fatar, the other major political
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  Speaker 3: party in Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: Just to make that clear.
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  Speaker 2: Look.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking of terrorism, there are also concerns over the sale
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  Speaker 3: and calls to ban the sale of a T shirt
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  Speaker 3: in Australia which features the slogan's bash Zionists and support
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  Speaker 3: Armed Resistance Now. An anti Israel activist and graphic designer,
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  Speaker 3: Carla Scotto, has been selling these t shirts online and
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  Speaker 3: at the Alcedak Heldeberg Mosque in Melbourne, although the im
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  Speaker 3: I'm at the moss claims that he didn't approve of
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  Speaker 3: the t shirts and he wasn't even aware they were
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  Speaker 3: being sold. I wonder how that came to happen in
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  Speaker 3: his own.
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  Speaker 1: Mosque without him knowing.
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  Speaker 3: But regardless, Lucy, Armed Resistance I mean that is clear
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  Speaker 3: as day. I think that is a call for violence
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  Speaker 3: and it's a call for terrorism. And Zionists, well, they
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  Speaker 3: represent eighty to ninety percent of Jewish Australians and Jews
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  Speaker 3: around the world, so this surely meets the.
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  Speaker 1: Threshold for incitement to violence.
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  Speaker 6: I would think, of course it does, isn't.
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  Speaker 4: It clear as day?
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  Speaker 6: Bash Zionists, I mean, at what point did it become
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  Speaker 6: acceptable in society for people to wear these kinds of
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  Speaker 6: shirts and to align themselves with a recognized terrorist group
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  Speaker 6: and to not be reprimanded for that, for that to
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  Speaker 6: be something that's you know, that they won't suppress in
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  Speaker 6: terms of free speech, that everyone's allowed to to the
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  Speaker 6: streets over and to attack and harass peaceful and innocent
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  Speaker 6: Jews in this country. I think that's that's a really
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  Speaker 6: sad indictment on where we are at the moment, and
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  Speaker 6: the fact that these things have become the status quo
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  Speaker 6: in Australia says a lot about the direction that this
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  Speaker 6: country is going.
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  Speaker 3: In kel Yep, there were a few years ago I
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  Speaker 3: remember people on the hard left and people and Antiva
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  Speaker 3: were saying things like punch a Nazi and that's okay,
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  Speaker 3: although everyone was an Nazi in their view, anyone slightly
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  Speaker 3: right to them. But now we think calls to palm Zionists.
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  Speaker 2: Look, incibment of violence such as bah Zionist is already
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  Speaker 2: a crime. They don't need to be reprimanded. They've committed
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  Speaker 2: a crime. You and I have been saying this and
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  Speaker 2: we have to keep saying it again. When will there
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  Speaker 2: be arrests? When will people be charged? When will people
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  Speaker 2: appear in court because they've broken the law. This breaks
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  Speaker 2: the law. Basha Zionist is incitement of violence. It breaks
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  Speaker 2: the law, and they've got to be a rest.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 3: The federal government and now Anthony Alberanzi made this big
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  Speaker 3: song and dance lucy about setting up this new anti
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  Speaker 3: Semitism task force.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, shouldn't it be for cases like this?
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  Speaker 3: And yet I have absolutely no confidence, I mean bold
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  Speaker 3: prediction here. Nothing will happen to this graphic designer or
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  Speaker 3: the people who've been promoting her work, because in the
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  Speaker 3: past we've seen people proudly and brazenly wearing jerseys saying
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  Speaker 3: October seven to major tourist sites in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen people holding her Mass themed birthday parties for
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  Speaker 3: a four year old here in Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing has happened in those cases.
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  Speaker 4: Zero and many our zero consequences.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, just to add another layer to this, though,
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  Speaker 6: do we have to set up this task force when
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  Speaker 6: we already have these laws that, as Kel rightly pointed out,
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  Speaker 6: are punishable by law when you commit these types of acts.
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: I mean, it just feels like it's a box ticking exercise,
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: like Anthony Albanese's attempt to say, Hey, look, I'm setting
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: up this anti Semitism task I'm doing something.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Anthony.
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: You actually already have existing legislation at your disposal that
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: you can use to punish these people.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Send the message, make it clear.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: That we won't tolerate this in our country. They're so
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: proud to talk about how Australia is this peaceful and
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: coexisting melting pot of multiculturalism. Start to protect the people
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: that you were elected to represent.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: That's what you need to accept as reality.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: Look, while we're on the topic of Islamist extremism, it's
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: been ten years now since the brutal terror attack on
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, in which two are Kaeda
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: gunmen murdered twelve people, including many of the publication's celebrated cartoonists.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: French President Emmanuel mccron and the mayor of Paris led
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: a solemn ceremony outside the magazine's former offices as a
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: spate of recent terror attacks around the world revived awful
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: memories at that time. Now, back in twenty fifteen, kel
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: so many people were quick to jump on the Suit
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Charlie bandwagon. Look, I remember I was on holidays in
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: the Maldives, of all places at the time, actually a
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: Muslim territory, and we got a free piece of cake
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: delivered to our villa and it had the Eiffel Tower
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: out of chocolate, like in solidarity with everyone was on
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: this bandwagon. But how many people have held firm on
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: that and confidently called out islamis terrorism since then?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: That's right. It becomes fashionable for a while to say
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I'm against Islami terrorism, and then people forget about.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: It the tenth when they get scared of being labeled
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: as I'm aphobic.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Perhaps well maybe they're afraid of that or maybe that,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know, they just move on. But what's happened
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: is in Paris there's been a tenth anniversary and the
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: bear of Paris and the manual Macron market. But the
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: al Qaeda sympathizers also mark the tenth anniversary, and you
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: know how they went around Paris painting up anti Semitic graffiti.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: They put stars of David on the homes and businesses
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: of Jewish people. The evil is still there. Ten years later.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: It hasn't gone away. They haven't been defeated. They're still active.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: They are still there, and we have to remember.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: That, Lucie, the Europe has become a really horrifying and
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: terrifying place for Jews, but not just Jews, everybody general,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: everybody Western people who believe in Western values, and a
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: lot of it has to do with immigration.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: Of course it does.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: And I think that we have to start being very
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: bold and courageous and strong enough to admit that fact
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: publicly without fear of any repercussion or being labeled a.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Racist or in islamophobe.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: I mean to call out the facts accurately as they are.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: Shouldn't be controversial, It shouldn't be something that gets attributed
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: to this idea or this slide of being a racist.
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: You look at forty five thousand plus terror attacks that
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: we've seen occur in Europe have been a attributed to
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: is you know, these extremists and these Islamic fundamentalists.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: So let's say that.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: Let's say it openly and honestly and without fear of retribution.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: And the more that we start saying that, I think
• 20:13
  Speaker 6: the more that people will start to feel comfortable to
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: be able to enter into that discourse honestly and without
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: fear of any type of consequences.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: It's just a fact, say it. It's okay to say it.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Well, we will.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Keep doing so here on Sky News where it certainly
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: not afraid more, Carol, We absolutely it needs to be.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Beyond just Sky News.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: But I'm starting to see and with the changes that
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: are happening in matter, I am seeing a shift. I'm
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: seeing a shift, and how not just social media companies.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: And maybe that's a large part to do with Elon
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Musks taking ConTroll of X No Doubt and his role
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: in the presidential election, but cal I am seeing a
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: cultural shift. Sure is a real different feel ahead of
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: this election that people are sick of this. They want
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: people to call it as it is, They want to
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: be able to call it as it is themselves without
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: fear of being canceled and without fear of being of retribution.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: And I think that fear has.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Less of a hold now, absolutely, And I mean part
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: of that shift that you're reading is elng what Mark
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Zuckerberg picked up on he read the room and he
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: discovered America now backs Trump. It is now possible to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: say these things. So the result is on the battle
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: on anti Semitism. We had the leaders of the Hindu
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: community come out fairly recently saying they are supporting the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Australian Jewish community. There's a big Christian group that Freyer
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: has set up which is called and Never Again is now.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: So we're hearing voices, we're hearing people saying things, We're
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: seeing demonstrations. It is happening. The mood is shifting. And
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: what I think people are saying is the communities that
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: came here and brought their hatred from overseas that doesn't
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: belong in Australia. But our government fourteen months ago did nothing,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: and they have got to get it to stand up
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and say this is unacceptable. I mean, how soft and
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: how weak can you get. You've got to say something
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: more than that, You've got to say it's evil. You've
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: got to say we will prosecute. You've got to make
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a risks, and then everyone in the community will be
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in bolden to say, yes, they're right, this is wrong.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Well, someone who is certainly not a week leader is
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And even before he's taken off as he's
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: still ramping up calls for the US to take ownership
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: of Greenland, posting a statement to his platform Truth Social
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: saying I'm hearing that the people of Greenland are maga.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Greenland is an incredible place and that people will benefit
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: tremendously if and when it becomes part of our nation.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: We will protect it and cherish it from a very
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: vicious outside world.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Make Greenland great again.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: If you could tell Trump anything, what would it be
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: bios by Greenland?
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Why do you want to chump to make Greenland?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: We don't want to be colonized by Donish gold anymore.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: We get ripped every year about our minerals from Primland.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: We are the Ritish nation in the world, and we
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: don't get to use it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Then much use in us too much?
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Do you like America? I love America now.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: The President Elect's son, Donald Trump Junior, has even visited Greenland,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: in what appeared to be a spot of window shopping.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Perhaps the Dad Now.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, the King of Denmark, which for the time being
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: still maintains control of Greenland, trolls Trump by revealing a
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: new royal coat of arms more prominently showing off Greenland.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Now cal this might be a slightly conflicted one for
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: the Aussies. After all, our very own Queen Mary, and
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: she still is our Queen Mary. She is essentially the monarch,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I guess of Greenland. But you know, how do you
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: think that this will go down among Americans and the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: rest of the world.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Well, America's done it before, Louisiana purchase, they bought a
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: whole lot of land off France. They've done it before.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: There's a history of million. When you look at Greenland,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: it's strategically important. There are two American bases there already.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: But they've got a population of fifty six thousand people.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's about the size of Tamworth or Orange. I mean
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: that he could if they could be persuaded to have
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: a referendum in Greenland, Trump could say I'll give ten
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars to every one of you, fifty six thousand
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: people who vote. Years that's about half a million dollars.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: He could pay that in small change.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, that's not at all.
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: That's fine, completely fine.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Of course, it's perfectly fine. It's them deciding what to
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: do with their future. And if they decided to throw
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: in their lot with America, good luck to them. Who
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: knows what's going to happen with this, you know, I've
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: got to say, my crystal ball is in at the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: workshop being fixed, So I don't know where this is
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: going to go at the moment. But it's great fun.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It is a lot of way Trump is fun.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: I know, he is so much fun and he provides
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: endless content, Loucy.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: But between Greenland and well.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about in a minute, the Gulf of Mexico
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: as well. He honestly, it seems like he does and
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Canada he.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Wants to make that the fifty first date as well.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: He seems to have this expansionist agenda that he's proudly.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: We'll divide and conquer or just get in there and
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: take it all, right.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, Kel.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Mentioned that they're about the military significance. Of course, he
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: told reporters we need Greenland for national security purposes, right,
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: So it's about extending his reach. The thing I found
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: funny about the coat of arms is I think that
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: it's only ever been changed at least four times. It's
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: about the eighteen hundred, So there's a bit of significance
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: in that because Denmark are really wanting to establish their
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: authority and their power in this situation. I just think
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: to it, Look, I love Trump. I'm the first to
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: admit that I'm a big Trump fan. But I just
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: kind of look at the list of priorities that he
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: has already within America and his own soil and the
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: issues that he has to remedy now coming into this,
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: and I just kind of think.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Is this really necessary?
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Donald No, I think he's.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Restoring a sense of pride what it means to be American.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Because he's also announced that he plans to change the
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: name of the Gulf of Mexico to well, something more patriotic.
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: of Mexico to the Gulf of America, which has a
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: beautiful ring that covers a lot of territory. The Gulf
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: of America. What a beautiful name, and it's appropriate. It's appropriate.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Now the Gulf of Mexico is stop laughing, Lucy, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: this is dead serious.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: It isn't so serious.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: It's the sea that border states such as Texas, Louisiana,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: and Florida, as well as of course Mexico and today
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: cal Trump wouldn't rule out using the army to seize
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: control of Greenland or the Panama Canal.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: Do you think he's joking kill.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I think. I think Trump has a
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: wonderful sense of humor, and people have got to work
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: out when he's telling you what he's going to do
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: and what is actually For Trump, it's all about the
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: art of the deal. Everything is about doing a deal.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: So if I can make an ambu claim that helps
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: me do the deal, I'll make it. If I can
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: make a joke that will help me do the deal,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I'll make it.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: True.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: He doesn't want to use armed forces where he doesn't
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: have to.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: In fact, he wants to bring them home.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: But I do I think he wouldn't be afraid to
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: use tariffs exactly.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Bear in mind, in his first term America entered no
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: new wars. He's very proud of that. And people think
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Trump is a hawk, He's not. Trump is a dove.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Trump avoids conflicts, so he's not about to invade anywhere.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Is the Gulf America actually makes sense because the entire
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: continent is America, North America, South America, Central America, named
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: after an Italian explorer, America Vasucci, I think his name was,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: And he worked out that Christopher Columbus hadn't got to
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the West Indies, he got to a whole continent, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the continent is named after him, So you can change
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the name of the gold. All he could do is
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: get Congress to pass a law, and all the atlas
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: in every American school will because it's job.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: Oh come on, this is absurd, Like is anyone else
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: registering this is absurd. It's just nonsensical to get involved
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: in stuff like this at a time when there are
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: so many other pressing priorities. In fact, the most pressing
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: one of all, which I think a lot of people
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: are going to hold him to, is whether or not
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: you'll be able to end this war in the Middle East.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: He keeps saying, return back the hostages.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: All read it again today the hospital the hostage design
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: returned by his first day and off as they will
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: be hell to pay.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: He repeated that that's true, but this one is connected
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: to closing the border. See he's put another bargaining chip
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: on the.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Table and jugar Man walk at the same time. And Trump,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: certainly he.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Can he can say to Mexico, well, you can keep
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the name of the golf as long as you close
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: the border and don't let any illegal immigrants. He keeps putting,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: he was so good at doing the deal.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: No, make the Gulf of Mexico America again.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I say. Now.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, first lady in waiting, Milania Trump, Well, she's signed
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: a deal with Amazon worth a whopping sixty four million
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Australian dollars to license a documentary about her life, with
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: cameos from husband Donalds and their son Baron. And what's more,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: the docco is set to be made by Australian media
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: mogul James Packer and his production company rat Pack Entertainment.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: It promises to give you, as an unpresidented behind the
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: scenes look at the notoriously.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Private former model.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Now Lucy, this is something I would definitely watch. And
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I think the way that Milania Trump has been treated,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: particularly during the first Trump presidency, was appalling. She seems
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: to me like a devoted mum and I would like
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: to see more of her, especially if that means more
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: cute home videos of baby Baron, which we've seen some
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: releases of.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: Right, I love it, and I think it would be
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: great and to have that insight into her, because, as
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: you said there, she has been notoriously private, and I
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: think that that's largely in part to the fact she
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: didn't sign up for this, Right, she ended up with
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: this billionaire, this swanky guy that you know, provided her
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: a connection to the world effectively in contacts and you know,
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: endless security in terms of financial success and all of
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: those things. So to come into this and to be
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: thrust into the spotlight the way that she was as
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: the first Lady of America, which is the most second
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: to the president, one of the most I guess publicized
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: kind of roles in the world. They were ridiculing her
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: about what she was wearing at every turn. Remember the
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: Christmas decorations in that audio that got leaked. Who gives
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: an f about Christmas stuff and decoration?
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I loved it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: I listened to that audio just recently. But they really
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: were very nasty to her, and they also started asking
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: questions openly, like the economists writing articles about and speculating
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: whether or not Barren had autism.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Do you remember like really.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Nasty, I really even some really behind between the line's suggestions.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: Often she may have been an escort, I mean really
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: ugly stuff Callen. On top of all of that, I
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: mean all the elitist outlets like Vogue and the US
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: fawning over people like Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harrie Michelle
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Obama on the cover so many times, and yet here
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: was an actual former top model. They refused, an actual
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: clothes scource. You can make anything look amazing. They refuse
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: to put her in the cover or feature her. Other
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: publications wouldn't touch her. I'm glad that you know that's
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: in the past, it seems.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And no one's going to saything rude about Baron these days.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: He's about seven feet tall, take all of them. But
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: this is how it's going to end up. Everyone will
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: watch this. This is going to have a massive audience
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: around the world. Everyone will watch Malania Trump well quietly
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: in a distant corner, Meghan Market will be stamping her
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: foot and saying, look.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: At me, look at me, look at me, Yeah, look
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: at my cake.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: During a cost of living crisis. She's now a trad
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: wife as they're known, like she wants to make out
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: like Meghan, that is that she's this traditional wife that
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: just swan's around the kitchen. It wasn't even her kitchen apparently,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: And meanwhile everyone's struggling to put food on the table
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: and she's saying, now, use these edible flowers and you're cooking.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I dare say that the Milania Trump Dotco.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Will be a much bigger commercial success.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: That Malani is actually a real person. She comes across
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: as a real person. Years ago, Clive James, in one
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: of his brilliant television reviews, said that Eliza Minilli could
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: not walk down a flight of stairs sincerely. A flight
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: of stairs was provided to demonstrate this. Megan Mirkale can't
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: walk into a kitchen sincerely, and a kitchen was provided
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: to demonstrate this. She is the most unreal person in
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: the world. Mlanie has got the ring of truth about her.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Well, Amazon, I think was very smart to pick this up.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: But also I've got to say the recent clips that
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I was referring to before we saw Baron remembered that
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: viral one Lucy where Baron says in this really heavily accented.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: English is that I want to use my suitcase. And
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: I know I did a terrible impression.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: But what was so sweet about that is obvious how
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: much time he spent with his mother, Milani in order.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: For him to actually speak with that kind of accent.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, she was her hands on mum, and with that
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: amount of money, she could afford Nanni's and she didn't
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: have to be with her kids. But it's clear that
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: she wanted to be with her son and raise him herself.
• 33:14
  Speaker 6: And I think that's one of the most beautiful and
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: real aspects about her because for a lot of mums
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: out there, some don't get the choice.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: But for the ones that do, you know, they.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: Love and relish being with their children as I have
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: and being their mother. It's the most important time of
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: their lives and those formative.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: Years as well.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: But you know, the speculation that she endured all around that,
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: you know that autism and stuff with respect to Baron
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: was just horrendous, and having to deal with that and
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: in the public domain internationally was just a disgrace. But
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: to be fair, I mean, there have also been accusations
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: of Michelle Obama being a man.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: Right, I don't know which one is the worst ever
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: coming from mainstream media.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: That it's always the community.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's a conspiracy theorist.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: No, I think I think there's been Again, this just
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: signals a real cultural shift. But look, let's stay in
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: the US, where the Biden administration has been working to
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: effectively ban cigarettes in what's been called a gift to
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: organized crime cartels. The move will in essence, banned cigarettes
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: that are currently on the market in favor of products
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: with lower nicotine levels, which one expert told Fox News
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: could boost the.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Black markets cale.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I just think, look, I'm not a smoker, and I
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: think that there should be a lot less smoking. Whether
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: it means that people turn to vapes, which is what's
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: happening in Australia, or to the underground market is another question.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: But I don't have a huge problem with things. They're
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: being further government intervention when it comes to a filthy habit.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Like said, look, there's actually no easy answer. Nicotine's not
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: only highly addictive, it also just texts the body. It
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: texts the internal lining of arteries, causes bits of the
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: arteries to break off, so it causes strokes, heart problems.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: It can block blood flow and you'll lose limbs. So
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: it's very serious. So the suggestion is, well, you know,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: if we cut cut off there's drug that's doing this thing,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: more gangs will be involved. But on that reasoning, you'd
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: make heroin legal because that would get rid of the gangs,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and you'd make crack legal because that would get rid
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of the gangs. So that there's no easy answer to this.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: The gangs are running heroin, but I assume there's much
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: less heroin being used than if you could buy it
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: off the shelf. So maybe if a drug is as
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: dangerous as nicotine is I think it is, then you
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to buy it off the shelf, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: it should be something which is part of the criminal
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: community and you know it's bad and you know it's dangerous.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: There's not an easy answer. I don't know what the
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: solution is, Lucy.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, we have seen a huge problem in Australia
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: even here with black market cigarettes.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: What do you think of this movie?
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: That's exactly what's happening.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: I can't help but think of prohibition in the nineteen
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: twenties when they tried to blacklist alcohol and sale and
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: production and the transport of it and well, you know
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: that lasted about thirteen years, but all it did.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: But there is more a safe amount of a moderate
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: amount of alcohol is safe if you use it responsibly.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's safe to you. What there is.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: In the human body. What happens in the human body,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: is there's a safe level of consumption of alcohol, exactly.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: There is no consumption of nicotine.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Died of alcohol, and people died too much, sugar, too
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: much anything, a lot of things that are legal.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: I think the way I see it is all it's done.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: And look at the gang warfare that's playing out now
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: right in Melbourne. We're seeing all of these bombings of
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: nicotine shops, et cetera, of cigarette shops and vapes have
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: become you know, very true younger generation, because.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: That was never cigarettes are legal.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: And as it stands, all Joe Biden is doing is
• 36:58
  Speaker 6: making it more attractive for the underground thieves and gangs
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: to get involved and to have this stronghold over the mind.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I'm furious of age because I find it so interesting.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: We do have to go to a break now and
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: coming up a victory for common sense. A teacher who
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: stood firm against using preferred pronouns secures a hefty settlement.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, well, a.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: US teacher who refused to use students preferred pronouns will
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: get a seven hundred and twenty three thousand Australian dollars
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: settlement from her school district. Vivian Garatee sued the Jackson
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Local School District after her Ohio school tried to force
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the Christian art teacher to use preferred pronouns and names
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: or face disciplinary action.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: The US district.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Court rule the school's actions amounted to compelled speech.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Lucy.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Look, it's been more than eight years now since Canadian
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: psychologist Jordan Peterson first sparked controversy by refusing to use
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: preferred pronouns, and he called it compelled speech. There was
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: huge uproar at the time, but I think things are
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: starting to change. I think the world started to turn
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: a corner on this, despite the fact that the school
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: was still trying to force this teacher. I do censor
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: shift here happening.
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: I wish it was happening here in Australia. But you know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: we've only got Julia Gillard, who was his self proclaimed feminist,
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: and unfortunately, Attorney General Mark Dreyfus to blame for the
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: current situation that we're in because in twenty thirteen they
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: made the decision to amend the Sex Discrimination Act to
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: include gender identity, which is why we're seeing things like
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: a team like the Flying Bats in Sydney explode win
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: leagues wing you know, Golden Boot trophies, etc. We've got
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: biological men competing in women's sports. We've got them using
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: women's bathrooms, accessing women's only spaces.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: It's a disgrace.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: And so until we actually have legislative change in this
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: particular area, I don't know that we're going to see
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: a shift. I mean, from my perspective, I actually really
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: want to know what Opposition leader Peter Dutton thinks about this.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: I actually put in a request to his team this
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: week to come and join me on two GB afternoons
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: because I really want to know how he feels. Does
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: the Liberal Party in fact have a position on this
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: and if he is elected into power, is he going
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: to introduce legislative change and put an end to all
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: this madness.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Because that's precisely what this is.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: It's well, Liberal Senator, Liberal Senator Claire Chandler from Tasmania did,
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: and she's a federal Liberal senator. She's been so strong
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: on this issue. Lucy, she tried, she had a Saved.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Women's Sport Bill kel in order to try.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: And get changes to the Sex Discrimination Act that Lucy mentions,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: which took out the biological definitions of male and female
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: and replaced it with gender identity. And that's where a
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: lot of the legislative problems we have in this country
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: come from.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: It's also the fact that gender identity.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Is a protected a attribute in our abilification laws, which
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: means it could potentially be an offense in Australia to
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: use someone's the wrong pronounce that someone doesn't like.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Can I say once again, Donald Trump is the point
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: man on this. Trump has promised to ban biological men
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: competing in with biological women in sport. Now, when Trump
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: does it, he then sets a benchmark for the rest
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: of the world, and conservative leaders like Dunton are going
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to see what he does and I think be emboldened.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: No, but I want, I actually want him to come
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: on the record and say it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: I want to know.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: One of the most successful ad campaigns that Donald Trump
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: ran in the lead up to the presidential election was
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: actually that proclaimed idea that he would put an end
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: to biological men competing in women's sports. So what did
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: Peter Dutton's office say when they just said he's not
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: available this week?
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: And I still want to regardless of the timing, I
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: still want to be able to put that question to
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: his office because I want to know that they have
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: a position on this issue. And it's all well and
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: good for us to applaud Trump and say, look, Trump
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: did this and hopefully will follow suit. But as you've
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: rightly pointed out, we have existing legislation that is protecting
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: these members. It also was the slippery slope to allowing
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: for several states, most recently in New South Wales, to
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: jump on board with sex self id legislation.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Now, regardless of how.
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: Many people came out and spoke at this particular inquiry
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: to argue against this and say how dangerous it is
• 41:31
  Speaker 6: to introduce something like that, it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Was all completely ignored.
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: Chris Min's was instructing all of his labor colleagues to
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: vote in support of it, and of course it got up.
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: Queensland's had it for a number of years, wiping the
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: portal to.
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Dangerous predators, pedophiles, rapists.
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: You name it to be able to go down to
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: birthstets and marriages, say that they are in fact women
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: and change their birth certificates and they'll be recognized as that. Right,
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: they'll go and commit crimes. It will fall under women's
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: crime statistics. All of these issues will be pointed towards
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: women and it is a face and one of the
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: greatest scandals of our time.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Well look, Peter Dunnan has taken a strong view on
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: everything from the voice to standing in front of the
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Australian flag and no other conferences.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: So if you're.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Watching mister Dutton, get back to Lucy, get back to
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: us on Sky News.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Are you going come on my show?
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Come on, come on Sky News first, Bob please afternoon.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Speaking of man dates of sorts, face mask mandates are
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: expected to make a comeback in a number of US
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: states amid fears of what's being called a quad demic.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Hospitals in at least eight states in the US are
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: requiring or strongly urging indoor mask wearing a mere a
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: surge in four types of viral infections, including COVID, the
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: flu RSB, and neurovirus kel Look, I'm not in a
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: huge hurry to go back to our mask wearing days.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Some people would be let me tell you, there are
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: still some people out there. I think Monique Ryan would
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: probably be hoping that we.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Go back to those.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: But look, I'm not completely against the idea in hospitals
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: where obviously there's a lot of infections, and as long
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: as it's not the ones that have been proven to
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: be completely useless, because what was the point of that,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: It was just a virtue signaling exercise.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: In the end.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: The problem is in COVID we learned we cannot trust
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: medical bureaucrats. They got almost everything wrong almost all the time.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Tell us things we say to the medical bureaucrats, Sorry
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: you were wrong last time, you're probably wrong this time.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: In fact, I tell you how to respond to this.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: When he wrote Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams said,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: on the front of the book, in big friendly letters,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: are the words don't panic. Don't panic. It's going to
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: be okay. And the medical bureaucrats can panic all they like.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: We don't need to panic.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: Lucy.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing you're not the kind of person who was
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: wearing a mask in your.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: Car by yourself outdoors, didn't get vaccinated. None of that
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: was for me, And I'm very comfortable with saying that
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: I was seven months pregnant when they tried to force
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: that onto me, and I asked my GP at the time,
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: what assurances can you give me that this will cause
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: no harm to me or my unborn child? That she
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: looked me dead in the eye and she said, I'm sorry,
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: I can't, So I said, not for me, And boy
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: am I glad that I didn't, given now all the
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: information that we know in hindsight.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: But with respect to this, I mean, I feel like
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: this is all how it starts.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: And I guess there's lots of debate around masks and
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: their efficacy. I know that there was a report in
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: early twenty twenty three conducted by the Cochran Library who
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: said that their report and research into masks and how efficient.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: They were, it came back as inconclusive.
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: So with respect to that, and the fact that Anthony
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Fauci admitted under oath, you know, the whole social distancing
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: thing was effectively that wasn't based on any evidence either.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: It's so difficult now, as Kel rightly pointed out, to
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: trust the experts and to trust the science when it
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: comes to all of this.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: So no, thank you.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: I will not be engaging in any fear mongering and
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: you won't be able to scare me on that with
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: any vaccines.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: I do have to just make the point that the
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: government advice still remains that vaccines COVID vaccines are the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: best way to protect you in the case of COVID. Well,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: let's move on nothing and new modeling that's revealed the
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: cost of the renewable energy assets needed to get close
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: to net zero will be thirty percent more expensive than
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: the current system. Research from Queensland's Griffith University prices the
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: transition to renewables at three hundred billion dollars. Now, kel
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: we all remember, at least on Sky News that alban
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Easy promised to lower our power bills by two hundred
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: and seventy five dollars.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Now it looks like they're going to go up by
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: thirty percent.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, And recently this press pack that's following him around
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: who he hates, actually have said to him, will you
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: try to bring down the power prices by two hundred
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars this time? So he's getting very
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: annoyed with him. But what I want is I want
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: someone to have the courage to say net zero is
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: a dream. It's destroying our economy. We don't need it.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: It's like the net covid, the zero covid idea that floated.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I mean that was an impossible goal to reach. Net zero.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Anything that's got zero in the name, it's an impossible
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: goal to reach. They've got to say no, that's rubbish,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: let's not try.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: This new research also shows blackouts in Victoria are highly
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: likely as well. Look after the break, are you guilty
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: of flaking on social plans? A new report claims more
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: people are canceling at the last minute.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: We'll chat about that next.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Welcome back.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: The Guardian has reported a global rise in the art
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: of flaking, that's canceling social plans at late notice or
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: at the very last minute. The cost of living burnout,
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: growing levels of social fragmentation due to social media and smartphones,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: as well as the increasing normalization of inconsiderate behavior in
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: favor of self interest are all cited as factors. Now,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: being able to send a quick text Lucy to cancel
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: means people can do this without any sort of confrontation. Now,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: I hate flaking. I just think it's basic disrespect. But
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I do have to say that I now have come
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: to expect it. You know, even at my own child's.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Birthday party, I expect at least.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Ten percent of people to cancel on the day or
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: during the event itself, which I find disappointing.
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: Well, again, depending on the circumstances. So if you are sick,
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: please keep your sick children off, for I don't want it.
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: Your gastro whatever you got, stay at home.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Please.
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: Look, ah, it can be being guilty of flaking sometimes
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: only because and I mean, look, I'm not socially nipped.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: I love it. I love to get together with friends
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: and all the things.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: But I think that my circumstances have changed now I've
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: got two small.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Children, three and five. I'm a very busy human being.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: So I get to the point now where I'm exhausted
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: by the time those plans roll around, so I'm not.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Doing them little.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I will force myself to go even when exhausted, cal
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: because I can't bring myself to flake.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: But where did even flake come from?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. It's a brand new use, very new
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: use of a very old word. The earlier citation I
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: could find for flaking in this sense is from twenty twenty,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: so that's very recent. The word itself goes back to
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: the fourteenth century and it means an exfoliation of a
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: small piece from something, and that's what they're doing. You see,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: they are making themselves a small piece that comes off
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: from the main body. So that's why gen Z' have
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: chosen to call it flaking. So if they want to
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: curl up on the lounge and just play computer games
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: all afternoon rather than go out, they're flaking because they're
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the exfoliated piece, the little thing that's peeled itself off
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: from the main body of people.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: I just think of the chop well, I would play
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: that too.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: I'm not in any sort of commercial agreement with Cadbury,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: but you know, if they want to send me a
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: box of Cadbury flakes, I wouldn't say no either. Look
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: quickly before we go, I just want to show you
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: that story about an Australian couple, Paul and Naomi, right
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: from the Northern Territory.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: They were among the lucky dozens of people who were
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: snowed in at Britain's highest pub, the tan Hill in
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: in North Yorkshire. They were trapped in the pub for
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: three days when heavy snow, icy roads and strong winds
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: trapped almost thirty patrons inside. They were eventually rescued by
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: local farmers and they spoke about how they passed their
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: time on Australian television.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: That turned into a huge snowball fight.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: As you can see, we did snowball fight, we built snowmen,
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: we did angels, We had a disco party last night.
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: Stay last night. Yeah, a lot of drinking, a lot
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: of eating, a lot of chatting, playing.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Cards and I don't think that would have been a
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: nightmare for many Australians being trapped in the pub for
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: three days. Well that's all the time we have tonight.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Thank you much, Lucy and Kellen. Thank you at home
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: for watching up next Liberals and Power