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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 6-12-25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Look back as at Shaker Studios.
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  Speaker 4: John Legwald is our Broncos insider.
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  Speaker 2: Altitude Sports Radio ninety two five Pro Football the Insider.
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  Speaker 1: I've covered the league a little while.
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  Speaker 1: You know the good runners.
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  Speaker 5: They have a little spaghetti sauce to the recipe. That's important.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't want to make comparisons to him because
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  Speaker 5: I haven't been with him long enough. When you see
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  Speaker 5: the consistency, it's not an accident, and so it's another
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  Speaker 5: and I and I say this, it's another good football
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  Speaker 5: player we're adding to our team. And then we'll see
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  Speaker 5: how training camp goes, see how all the carries goes,
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  Speaker 5: and you know what When that time comes, you guys
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  Speaker 5: are going to know, just like I'm gonna know.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna see it.
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  Speaker 7: Jeff Legwold, are you a.
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  Speaker 6: Homemade spaghetti sauce tomato sauce guy?
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  Speaker 7: Are you the ragu type?
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  Speaker 1: You know? I'll uh, I'll make my own.
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  Speaker 4: Really? Oh yeah, I like it. I like it.
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  Speaker 7: How long does it make you?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? It depends how complicated I get. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: just the regular sauce. And you know, booom done.
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  Speaker 6: What are the odds that you can make spaghetti sauce
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  Speaker 6: and then give me someone a jar at training camp?
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  Speaker 7: Coming up in a.
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  Speaker 1: Zero almost to zero?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: Come on, hey, Lakey, It's not like I'm asking you
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  Speaker 6: for who's number sixty seven in your top one hundred.
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  Speaker 7: It's not a huge ask.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's almost like that. You know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: bring my life out to training camp. You know that
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  Speaker 1: this is a dividing line.
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  Speaker 2: It's important thing though, I'll be on record a thing
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  Speaker 2: before we get the football spaghetti sauce home.
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  Speaker 4: Jar. I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a spaghetti sauce fan. Yeah, I don't care if
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  Speaker 2: you think it's good. I'll eat spaghetti sauce all day,
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  Speaker 2: all night.
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  Speaker 6: So Sehn Payton likes the different spaghetti sauces in the
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  Speaker 6: running back room. Let me tell you this, though I
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  Speaker 6: asked this to Andy Linda all early Yearho was that
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  Speaker 6: camp yesterday, I'll ask.
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  Speaker 7: It to you.
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  Speaker 6: With the running back room that they have now with
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  Speaker 6: Dobbins and obviously R. J.
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  Speaker 7: Harvey is gonna be a big part of it.
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  Speaker 6: I was looking up some Julie McLoughlin numbers and he's
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  Speaker 6: just a very unique case because he was probably their
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  Speaker 6: most productive back last year. But for a guy who's
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  Speaker 6: five foot seven, not very big, it's hard to see
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  Speaker 6: him being in on third down to pass protect. And
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  Speaker 6: at his size, you think he's gonna be a shifty
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  Speaker 6: guy who has big playability.
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  Speaker 7: His longest run was twenty one yards last year.
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  Speaker 6: And here's the one that really stuck out to me,
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  Speaker 6: Leggy like, maybe he could be a Sprolls type, smaller
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  Speaker 6: guy out of the backfield, catch the ball, make something happen.
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  Speaker 6: He had twenty four catches for seventy six yards, which
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  Speaker 6: is really bad. So what is Julia McLoughlin to this
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  Speaker 6: team right now, and what's a rule that's envisioned for him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the whole Dobbins signing, you know, whether
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  Speaker 1: they just say it out loud or not, is they
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  Speaker 1: went through OTA's, they went through rookie mini camp and
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  Speaker 1: got you know a little look at Harvey, and they
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  Speaker 1: even went through you know, got all the way to
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  Speaker 1: mini camp before they signed Dobbins. And they did it
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  Speaker 1: because I believe Sean Payton was still simply uncomfortable with
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  Speaker 1: what does third down look like for this offense? So
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  Speaker 1: you know, he got a little insurance Dobbins was out there.
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  Speaker 1: They had a little leverage because of this really odd
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  Speaker 1: tender the Chargers used contractually that not many teams do.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen it but a handful of
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  Speaker 1: times since free agency began in the nineties. So you
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  Speaker 1: know that this was a to me, a third down decision.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, yesterday we're all asking everyone about Dobbins
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  Speaker 1: and what they think, and Vance Joseph may have said
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  Speaker 1: it the best. He listed, you know, ability as a runner,
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  Speaker 1: ability to break tackles, and then he said his intelligence
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  Speaker 1: on third down, and it just sort of let you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is a big part of Dobbins's game, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it right now, it's the biggest part of why
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  Speaker 1: he's here. And I think that's why Peyton has framed
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  Speaker 1: it with we'll see how the carries go because he
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  Speaker 1: may get surprised in training camp. Harvey may be better
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  Speaker 1: on third down than they think initially right now. But
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  Speaker 1: jalil Ah I think could play on third down a
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  Speaker 1: little more if they were a little more creative about
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  Speaker 1: where they put him, you know, to put him in
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  Speaker 1: the traditional spot and have him take on edge rushers,
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  Speaker 1: I think is a tough ask for him. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: I think there's more there than they've gotten, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I just you know, it's like estimate. I think there's
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  Speaker 1: more there than they've gotten, but there's only one ball,
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  Speaker 1: and they seem to want to, you know, spread it
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  Speaker 1: around a lot at that position until one of those
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  Speaker 1: guys just shows proves to the head coach okay, I
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  Speaker 1: can play in every situation with reliability, and then I
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  Speaker 1: think that person would get the bulk of the work.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, jo Leo is they like him so
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  Speaker 1: much in house, and there's so much to like about
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  Speaker 1: him as a player or a person that I think
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  Speaker 1: the football thing I think is still in there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I watched so much of his college video, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a physical runner in there, a high carry guy in college.
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  Speaker 1: There's no reason he couldn't do more. I just don't
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  Speaker 1: think they get him into the space where he can flourish.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny when you're describing that back in
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  Speaker 2: every situation and so on. I guess for the longest time,
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  Speaker 2: I thought that was going to be Tavante Williams. I
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  Speaker 2: thought that he was going to be, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: guy that could be and then the injury and then
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  Speaker 2: he long gone. Hey what I guess My story with
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  Speaker 2: Dobbins is I think he's he's a player. I really do, Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he averaged almost five yards of carry last
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  Speaker 2: year for the Chargers. The only question to me is
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  Speaker 2: a health right? Can he stay healthy? Number two? If
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  Speaker 2: he played thirteen games last year, why did the Chargers
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  Speaker 2: not want to keep him?
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  Speaker 1: Well, they not only didn't want to keep him, apparently,
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  Speaker 1: they signed Naji Harris free agency, and they draft Hampton
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  Speaker 1: Omarion Hampton in the first round, and then they still
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  Speaker 1: they did all that and still tendered him this this
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  Speaker 1: weird unrestricted free agent tender.
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  Speaker 7: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 4: I think they're looking for compensation. Right.
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  Speaker 1: If he had not signed with the Broncos or anybody
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  Speaker 1: else by July twenty third, the Chargers would have retained
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  Speaker 1: exclusive negotiating rights with him. He would not have been
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  Speaker 1: able to negotiate with another team. Not many teams put
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  Speaker 1: it on a guy because it's you know, frankly, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's restrictive and it's not a nice thing to do.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not a franchise player tag or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's just it's in the CBA and it doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: used very often. But you know, my thing with that is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the yards per carry, yes, but most of
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  Speaker 1: that is the first two games of the season. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he had another nice game against the Broncos later, but
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  Speaker 1: the bulk of you know, after those first two games
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  Speaker 1: of the year, he averaged three point eight to carry
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the season. So you know, that's my question,
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  Speaker 1: are they simply replacing Javonte Williams. And you know, look,
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  Speaker 1: if if he passed protects as well as Javante does
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  Speaker 1: did and catches fifty balls, you know, I bet he
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  Speaker 1: breaks a big player or two because he's had the
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  Speaker 1: a similar kind of knee injury as as Chavante Williams had.
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  Speaker 1: He's also had a torn achilles and last year he
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  Speaker 1: missed four games with a knee sprain, which you know
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  Speaker 1: can happen to anybody. But but they think there's explosiveness
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  Speaker 1: there and I think we'll be able to see, you know,
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  Speaker 1: what level there is in camp. But he certainly fits
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  Speaker 1: their locker room. I mean, it doesn't take long to
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  Speaker 1: see he's got a pretty big personality and and really
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  Speaker 1: does want to win, you know, and he's played for,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for both Harbaugh's you know, as head coaches,
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  Speaker 1: so you know he can be coached really hard. And
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, that's a Sean Payton type of player. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Sean is very close to John Harbaugh in particular. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they coached together with the Eagles, So I think this
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  Speaker 1: is a fit for them. It didn't come at a
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  Speaker 1: very high price. If it works out, it's a huge
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  Speaker 1: bonus you have.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of Peyton, you've figuratively taken the temperature of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of coaches in your career. Hey, how long does
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  Speaker 2: it take you to kind of get the feel of
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  Speaker 2: a coach and where his mind is his personality. And
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  Speaker 2: two is Sean Payton back to being grumpy Sean Payton
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  Speaker 2: because it's like he's all business in his little mini
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  Speaker 2: camp here.
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  Speaker 1: I think he'll be all business a lot with this
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  Speaker 1: team most he Uh, he likes this team definitely. I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you that he very much is a big
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  Speaker 1: fan of his roster right now, and he thinks if
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  Speaker 1: they handle their business, they can do some things. But
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  Speaker 1: I think that will make him push them really hard.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think training camp is going to be a
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  Speaker 1: fun fest, uh for these guys. I think he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: come in after a month away in late July and
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  Speaker 1: be ready to turn the screws a little bit so.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that the temperature I see from him
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  Speaker 1: right now is he likes this team a lot. He
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  Speaker 1: thinks they've done well in building the roster, you know,
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  Speaker 1: over the over the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 6: Jeff Leewell at ESPN dot com with us, you know,
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  Speaker 6: sticking with the offensive side.
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  Speaker 7: Evan Ingram brought in a time, Vic said, You've been there.
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  Speaker 7: It's odd to find a tight end that's smaller than Cortland.
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  Speaker 6: Sutton and you know, there's a bunch of tight ends
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  Speaker 6: in the league that don't block that just put up
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  Speaker 6: numbers in the passing game, and and that matters. But
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  Speaker 6: what do you think the line is for a successful
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  Speaker 6: season for Evan Ingram?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've said, I think it's more what kinds
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  Speaker 1: of passes is he catching rather than the number the
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  Speaker 1: totals per se. I think if we see him going
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  Speaker 1: down the hash a lot, if you know, if we
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  Speaker 1: see some run after the catch we didn't necessarily see
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  Speaker 1: in recent seasons, I think that's a successful year. If
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  Speaker 1: they get him, you know, into those spaces where he
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  Speaker 1: can do damage. But his best routes in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the field are the throws bow Nicks likes to
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  Speaker 1: make the best. So I think it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: good combination there. And the thing for Nicks is h
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  Speaker 1: Ingram's always been a really good route runner. He is
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  Speaker 1: exactly where he's supposed to be and that's huge for
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  Speaker 1: a QB. So I think those those things would mark
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  Speaker 1: success for me. But you know, if you you know,
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  Speaker 1: to me, when I look at like last year and
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  Speaker 1: you say, okay, where are those fifty catches? Javonte Williams had.
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  Speaker 1: Where are they going? I think a bunch of them
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  Speaker 1: are going to Evan Ingram, Yeah, and I think that
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  Speaker 1: was the design. I think they want to take that
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  Speaker 1: safety throw that was going to Javonte Williams, and I
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  Speaker 1: think they want that going down the field a little
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  Speaker 1: more to where the tight end is.
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  Speaker 6: This is h I mean, this is probably a question
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  Speaker 6: that a lot of people are going to hear and
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  Speaker 6: say who cares?
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  Speaker 1: But they asked a lot of those Yeah, I've made
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  Speaker 1: a career out of it.
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  Speaker 6: They used this last year and he's back on the
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  Speaker 6: team with more weapons now on off events, especially the
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  Speaker 6: tight end. Is Michael Burton still a thing that they're
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  Speaker 6: gonna use a lot? Are they gonna Are they gonna
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  Speaker 6: run fullback out there?
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  Speaker 4: Again?
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  Speaker 7: Maybe he's sort of a answerary question to some bigger ones,
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  Speaker 7: but I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Sean Payton goes into every game with
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  Speaker 1: a play sheet roughly the size of a mid size sedan,
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  Speaker 1: so uh, there will be full back plays on there.
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  Speaker 1: And look, special teams is important to the head coach.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we may all argue about, Okay, how much
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  Speaker 1: does it really mean? And all that it's important to
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  Speaker 1: the guy who makes a lot of decisions and he's
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  Speaker 1: one of the best special teams players on the team, So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: that immediately gives him some kind of role. But they
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  Speaker 1: you know, he will always have a fullback element in
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  Speaker 1: his offense. It's how he it's how he was.
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  Speaker 7: I guess, well, I guess to ask it in a
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  Speaker 7: different way.
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  Speaker 6: It's you've been on this forever, and I don't know
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  Speaker 6: if last year maybe change your mind a little bit
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  Speaker 6: more or not. But when the Broncos would spread out
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  Speaker 6: their offense and they would get pressure on the quarterback,
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  Speaker 6: You're like, why not run more two tight end sets?
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  Speaker 6: Do you think they have the ability right now to
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  Speaker 6: not go a little bit bigger for pass protection purposes
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  Speaker 6: and hold up in pass protection by spreading it out more.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Well, I've always thought they should spread it out
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  Speaker 1: with bigger people, and that would that would lead me
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  Speaker 1: some of those problems. Yeah, because you're making the defense
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  Speaker 1: respond with bigger people and putting the You're putting the
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  Speaker 1: defense as big people in space, which is what I
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  Speaker 1: would want to do if I was calling place. But uh,
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  Speaker 1: they're They're always going to have a big personnel element
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  Speaker 1: to the offense. He's always believed in it. He thinks
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  Speaker 1: there's a place for it. It's why he wants his
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  Speaker 1: receivers frankly to be six two six, three, six four,
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  Speaker 1: you know, two oh five to ten. That's why he
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  Speaker 1: wants big receivers. He wants the cality on the field.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that that element's gonna be there and that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, unless they have to have that those last
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  Speaker 1: couple roster spots for somebody they're desperate to keep, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they could do like last year Burton spent time on
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  Speaker 1: the practice squad, uh with the sort of wink, wink,
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  Speaker 1: we'll we'll bring you to the fifty three as soon
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  Speaker 1: as possible. So there's always the chance they do that
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  Speaker 1: again because he's already shown for this head coach, he
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  Speaker 1: trusts him enough to do that.
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  Speaker 4: As a veteran player, when was the last time you
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  Speaker 4: talked to a kicker or a punter?
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  Speaker 2: Me?
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  Speaker 1: I've said hello, and like, you know, spoken to punters
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  Speaker 1: and kickers why, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, just like, Hi, how you doing? I'm Jeff okay,
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  Speaker 2: see a letter? I mean, there's nothing to talk to.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking of of what a great job, great
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  Speaker 2: sitcom this would be. Let's in the craw Dad, that'd
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  Speaker 2: be great.
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  Speaker 7: With you're talking that lately.
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  Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. Jeremy Krass, what's.
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  Speaker 1: In the you're on the kicker, you're on the kicker
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  Speaker 1: on the but you know there's not much better.
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  Speaker 4: And you're the one who said special teams is important, Jack,
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  Speaker 4: not me.
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  Speaker 1: Now you know mandatory mini camp that there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of standing around for the kicker of the punter, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they come in, they get, they get.
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  Speaker 4: And always has been yep, cracks me up.
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  Speaker 2: You know what.
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  Speaker 1: Back in the day, the guys used to play like
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  Speaker 1: football golf. The kicker and the punter would play like
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  Speaker 1: football golf on the other on the other field. But
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  Speaker 1: they can't do that now.
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  Speaker 6: Last thing for you, Leg, it's I think the way
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  Speaker 6: that you go about building a team. It's what we
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  Speaker 6: talked about a lot with the Nuggets that there felt
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  Speaker 6: like there was a failure of organizational cohesion over the
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  Speaker 6: last couple of years about how the GM wanted to
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  Speaker 6: build the team and how the head coach wanted to
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  Speaker 6: use the ingredients he was given. I really appreciate the
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  Speaker 6: way that Sean Payton and George Peyton have gone about this,
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  Speaker 6: this rebuild, if you want to call it. They start
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  Speaker 6: with the trenches in year one and they've just kind
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  Speaker 6: of built out since then, right, and now it feels
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  Speaker 6: like they've taken care of the positions that are I
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  Speaker 6: guess lowest on the totem pole for most NFL gms,
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  Speaker 6: like linebacker and running back or two things that they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: we can go and find those occasionally, but they've gotten
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  Speaker 6: green Law. They've now invested in Harvey and JK. Dobbins,
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  Speaker 6: which tells me, going to the running back spot that
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  Speaker 6: I think this year there's going to be a difference
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  Speaker 6: in the way that it's used. And I guess we
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  Speaker 6: won't really know until the games are played, but to
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  Speaker 6: make an investment like that tells me that the guys
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  Speaker 6: that you had last year, you just didn't feel like
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: we're cutting it because somehow, like you explain this to me,
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: the Broncos weren't a good rushing team and yet all
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: of these different ways that people grade out offensive lines,
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: they're top five in rush in run blocking, So how
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: does that compute.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, he's alluded to it, he hasn't said
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: it like blatantly said it, but he has alluded to
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the fact. You know, sometimes with a scout or a
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: coach in the run game, you'll hear the phrase there
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: was still meat on the bone, and what that means
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  Speaker 1: is did the back get at minimum what was blocked
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: on the play? And they're feeling in house when they
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: reviewed was their backs did not get what was blocked
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: enough times. And that's why they traded up in the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: second round to take a running back. And that's why
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: they've they've signed Dobbins now is because they they you know,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: they liked a lot of what the backs did. They
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: liked certain things, but in general, in the end, they
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: decided too often the back did not get what was blocked.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: And that's you know, the spaghetti sauce quote from yesterday
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: is did you get what was blocked? And then a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: little more because you're a good back. Yes, that's what
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: he wants. He wants what's blocked plus a little more.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You know that every defensive coordinator will tell you the
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: running back has the first defender. You know that you
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: can square up run blocking schemes and run defense schemes,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: but in the end, the first defender is the guy
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the running back has to be on his own usually
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: no matter where that first defender comes, is it eight
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: yards away from the line five or whatever. But that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: what he's talking about. That's why these guys are here.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: They didn't get what was blocked. And you know, there
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: are several metrics that say the Broncos were the best
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: run block team in the league last year by what
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: space did you create on the play. So that's why
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: they are where they are right now and why they've
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: done what they've done.
• 19:51
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• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, I'm off to practice, see if I'll say it.
• 20:00
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