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Lou Terminello's Take Remembers Lou Carnesecca and Breaks Down College Football Playoff Excitement · OneLegUpAlex Sports

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  Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Derrek.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's another week, which means guess what it's time
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  Speaker 2: for Terminello's take, Lou. We kind of go all over
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  Speaker 2: the whether it's a Friday, Thursday, Tuesday, Monday, we just
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  Speaker 2: we find it's time to have a hangout here on
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  Speaker 2: the podcast, don't we.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't matter which day the week it is, Alex, I'm
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  Speaker 3: always ready to talk sports with my buddy.
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  Speaker 2: But this one's an important day because actually, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Dallas and the Giants made prime video kind of history
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  Speaker 2: with the breaking of the streaming service records. I think
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  Speaker 2: tonight the Lions and the and the packerd are so important.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get this out before that game because
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  Speaker 2: the Lions are the real deal. They're not under the radar,
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  Speaker 2: as you've said week after week, and now they get
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  Speaker 2: the primetime treatment and I think they're worthy of it tonight.
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  Speaker 2: And and by the way, the allure of the NFC
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  Speaker 2: North matchups always get to me, as as is the
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  Speaker 2: NFC AFC North.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, I agree. I mean, I think this
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  Speaker 3: is a big game. Obviously. I think Detroit's in good shape.
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  Speaker 3: Detroit's been banged up, They've lost defensive starters, but they've
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  Speaker 3: been able to overcome it. Aaron Glenn has done a
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  Speaker 3: great job. They have two great off They have two
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  Speaker 3: great coordinators, offensive coordinator in Ben Johnson and the great
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  Speaker 3: defensive coordinator in Aaron Glenn. And you know, coach Campbell
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  Speaker 3: knows how to utilize his coordinators and put them in control.
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  Speaker 3: Detroit's very good. They've been able to overcome injuries. They're
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  Speaker 3: very dangerous at home. I like them tonight Tonight's game,
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  Speaker 3: I do It should be a good game. Green Bay
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  Speaker 3: is obviously going to unless they have a major collapse.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to be a playoff team, and they have
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  Speaker 3: a good roster. But I like to I do like
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  Speaker 3: if I hate to pick games, but if I'm picking,
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  Speaker 3: I'm picking Detroit tonight. But it should be a heck
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  Speaker 3: of a game, a heck of a Thursday night game,
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  Speaker 3: and Al Michaels and Kirk kirk Street will have another
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  Speaker 3: good game to call. By the way, they are a
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  Speaker 3: great team. Michael's on Herb Street, just getting away from
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  Speaker 3: football on the field and talking about as you know.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up listening to Kirk on the college football scene,
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  Speaker 2: which he still does Saturdays, but his edit bel talk
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  Speaker 2: is just as good. I agree there, and he's got
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  Speaker 2: he's got his Golden Retriever Pete. Obviously, his other Golden
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  Speaker 2: Retriever passed away, but it's nice to see that he
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  Speaker 2: keeps in the family of Golden Retrievers on the field.
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  Speaker 2: Looks like the dead Dogs having a lot of fun
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  Speaker 2: in memory of his brother Ben. Anyway, it's it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be fun. And I think after they came back against
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  Speaker 2: the Niners, the Lions realized they can come back from anything.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of the culture. I feal with this Lions team.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll have to see.
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  Speaker 3: They have a great chance to win it all. This
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  Speaker 3: is their best chance in their history to go to
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  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, to win the Super Bowl. We've talked
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  Speaker 3: about Doff. He's underrated. He can make every throw, have
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  Speaker 3: a balanced offense. I really like the Detroit Lions team.
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  Speaker 2: But let's go to some other burning topics. I know
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  Speaker 2: you want to talk about. Firstly, firstly, the loss of
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  Speaker 2: lou Carnaseca. We have to get to that because they're
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  Speaker 2: doing the funeral tomorrow on the campus of Saint John's
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  Speaker 2: and my memory of meeting him, and then the realization
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  Speaker 2: that this tenth grader, Alex Garrett want to be a
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  Speaker 2: Saint John's kid forever.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I love Queen's College, but I always had that dream
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  Speaker 2: of being at Saint John's. Maybe lou was a reason
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  Speaker 2: because look at the culture he's created on campus that
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  Speaker 2: extends to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Am I right in that?
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  Speaker 3: Alex? You're one hundred percent right in that? And that
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  Speaker 3: not only goes for Saint Louis and Saint John's. That's
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of college situations where people gravitate emotionally
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  Speaker 3: towards that school and want to go to that school
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  Speaker 3: or want to support that school if their past college
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  Speaker 3: age is because of the coach the success of the school.
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  Speaker 3: You go back to nineteen eighty four when Doug Flutie
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  Speaker 3: won the Heisman Trophy at Boston College, Admission applications to
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  Speaker 3: to Boston College went through roof same thing. When Clemson
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  Speaker 3: was going to the finals of the of the NCAA
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  Speaker 3: in football two or three years in a row, their
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  Speaker 3: admissions went up. So your attachment is that's real, that's
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  Speaker 3: not fake, it's real. And you know, Louis Connessec was
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  Speaker 3: a very lovable guy. He was a regular guy. He
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  Speaker 3: was a son of immigrants who you know, and he
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  Speaker 3: worked his way to become the greatest coach in Saint
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  Speaker 3: John's his street guess along with with lap Chick. But
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  Speaker 3: you know he won five hundred and twenty six games.
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  Speaker 3: They went to the Final four with a great, great
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  Speaker 3: team with Chris Smullen and Walter Berry and Mark Mogus
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  Speaker 3: was the point guard. A lot of people don't realize
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  Speaker 3: that there was another point guard on that team who
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  Speaker 3: was only in the soft more year, Mark Moore. Moses
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  Speaker 3: was in his senior year in Mark Jackson who would
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  Speaker 3: end up having a great college and NBA career. That
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  Speaker 3: was a heck of a team. Bill Winnington was their center.
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  Speaker 2: Some of these guys went on, I mean Mullen and
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  Speaker 2: this was cool of meeting him while Mullen was coaching.
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  Speaker 1: That was pretty special.
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  Speaker 2: When I got to ask Lou about watching his protege
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  Speaker 2: coach the team that he coached to the five hundred
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  Speaker 2: and twenty six wins. But Mark Jackson, when you hear
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  Speaker 2: these guys on the telecast, can you tell the impact
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  Speaker 2: loom made? I feel like you can, right, yes.
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  Speaker 3: For sure. Rick Patino was interviewed the other day somewhere
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  Speaker 3: I didn't hear it, but I read the transcript and
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  Speaker 3: he said a lot of college coaches. People don't like
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  Speaker 3: every college coach, like Patino says, not everybody likes me.
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  Speaker 3: But he said, nobody ever said a bad word about
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  Speaker 3: Louis Connesseca, and that's something to be said for that.
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  Speaker 3: And he was a terrific coach, Hall of Fame coach,
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  Speaker 3: three time Big East Coach of the Year, took his
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  Speaker 3: team to the Final four. Ironically, he did not want
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  Speaker 3: to join the Big East. He did not want Saint
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  Speaker 3: John's to join the Big East when they formed in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy nine, nineteen eighty and he says, we play
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  Speaker 3: those teams anyway, Why do we have to form a conference.
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  Speaker 3: He was not for that, And they had to do
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  Speaker 3: a lot of arm twisting to get Saint John's to
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  Speaker 3: join or they who knows where they would have been today,
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  Speaker 3: but they didn't want to join. And another another school
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  Speaker 3: that was asked to join and didn't join, and it
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  Speaker 3: now plays in the Patriot League, holy Cross. You wonder
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  Speaker 3: if holy Cross had joined, how where their basketball fortunes
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  Speaker 3: would be today, because they were pretty good and they
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  Speaker 3: would go into the NCAA's just about every year in
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  Speaker 3: the early eighties, at least the first couple of years
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  Speaker 3: of the eighties. But the best thing that ever happened
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  Speaker 3: to Saint John's was that for them to join the
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  Speaker 3: Big East, and the Big East went from a brand
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  Speaker 3: new conference in seventy nine eighty within four or five
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  Speaker 3: years became the conference the as good as the ACC was,
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  Speaker 3: which for twenty years was considered the best conference in
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  Speaker 3: college basketball, and having three teams in the Final Four
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five Final Fours played at Lexington, one
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  Speaker 3: of the last times it was played on a college campus,
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  Speaker 3: and of course the famous game between Georgetown and Villanova
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  Speaker 3: in the finals Georgetown beat Saint john. Saint John's and
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  Speaker 3: st and Georgetown played three times that year and Georgetown
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  Speaker 3: beat them two out of three, Saint John's beating the
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  Speaker 3: first time and elevated to number one. And those were
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  Speaker 3: two great teams. The Big East was spectacular with spectacular coaches. Patino,
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  Speaker 3: Carnaseca Beheim. We can go right down the line, Masamino
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  Speaker 3: at at Villanova, you know, PJ. Carlossimo at Seaton Hall.
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  Speaker 3: Just I mean amazing coaches in the ninth in the
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  Speaker 3: nine team league and Unfortunately, Saint John's lost the national
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  Speaker 3: semifinal game, and then Villanova played the game of the
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  Speaker 3: century basically when they pulled off the upset sixty sixty
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  Speaker 3: sixty four against Georgetown. And let's face it, Georgetown was
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  Speaker 3: so good, so deep. They had, they had six or
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  Speaker 3: seven NBA guys, They were big, they were strong, They
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  Speaker 3: had the best player, in my opinion, in the history
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  Speaker 3: of the Big East Conference in Patrick Ewing. And those
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  Speaker 3: were great days. Those were those I wish college basketball
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  Speaker 3: can go back to those days where one where players
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  Speaker 3: stayed for at least three years. Not having this these
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  Speaker 3: players play for one year and.
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  Speaker 1: Then one and done.
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  Speaker 3: None.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I get what you're saying that.
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  Speaker 3: I really can't stand it.
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  Speaker 2: But those now, the other aspect was and then the
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  Speaker 2: allure of it was that he picked local kids. I
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  Speaker 2: know I've highlighted this on other podcasts, but the local
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  Speaker 2: nature is just gone. They want the Europeans, they want
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  Speaker 2: the out of town ers. They don't like local and
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  Speaker 2: I think the transfer portal has really turned coaches off
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  Speaker 2: from the local am I right now, I.
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  Speaker 3: Would disagree with you a little bit on that, Alex.
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  Speaker 3: While the basketball world has gotten bigger because of the
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  Speaker 3: influx of international players, whether it's from Africa, South America
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  Speaker 3: or from Europe. A lot of because of the transfer
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  Speaker 3: portal and because of the money that's attached to it.
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  Speaker 3: Kids who grew up in the New York area now
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  Speaker 3: have a chance to play outside the area and seeing
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  Speaker 3: seeing areas or playing their college ball, whether it's for
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  Speaker 3: a year or two in a city or a town
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  Speaker 3: that they wouldn't have gone to see before. And some
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  Speaker 3: of them just want to just want to get out
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  Speaker 3: of get get out of the hometown for a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: But but you still see local guys I mean being recruited.
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  Speaker 3: I mean Rutgers has done that with you know, with
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  Speaker 3: Dylan Harper, and you know they have they had, they
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  Speaker 3: had a good recruiting locally. I still think there's still
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  Speaker 3: local appeal to play at home, but I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a little bit different than it was back, you know,
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  Speaker 3: forty years ago. One thing about coach Kroniseca, I remember
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  Speaker 3: when he was coach of the New York Nets when
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  Speaker 3: they played at National Coliseum and he was there from
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  Speaker 3: He signed a five year deal at fifty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: a year, which in those days was huge money. Five
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  Speaker 3: year two hundred and fifty thousand dollars contract over the
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  Speaker 3: life of the contract, and the first year with the
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  Speaker 3: Nets with seventy one seventy two. They went to the
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  Speaker 3: ABA Finals against the against the Indiana Pacers, and they
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  Speaker 3: pulled off a huge upset. In the first round. They
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  Speaker 3: were playing the Kentucky Colonels, a great, great team that
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  Speaker 3: had won sixty eight games that year and who had
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  Speaker 3: artist Gilmore, Hall of Famer dan Issel, Hall of Famer
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  Speaker 3: Louis dan Pier. They had, they had Darryl Carrier, excellent team.
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  Speaker 3: The Nets finished twenty four games behind him in the
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  Speaker 3: regular season. But Rick Barry, who was who was with
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  Speaker 3: the Nets at that time, had a spectacular series. They
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  Speaker 3: won the first two games in Louisville, and then they
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  Speaker 3: they you know, mixed wins the next couple and then
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  Speaker 3: the Nets won in six games, the biggest, probably the
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  Speaker 3: biggest upset in the nine year history of the ABA. Then, ironically,
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  Speaker 3: in the Eastern Finals they played the Virginia Squires, who
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  Speaker 3: had George Gervin and doctor j and Uh. The Nets
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  Speaker 3: lost the first two games in Virginia. They won the
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  Speaker 3: next two games at the Colisee, but you mean they
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  Speaker 3: had a ger Urban. You mean they had George the Iceman,
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  Speaker 3: the great Hall of Famer George Gervin, and they had
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  Speaker 3: the great doctor J. Julius Irvin. And Uh, each team
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  Speaker 3: won the first each team won all their home games,
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  Speaker 3: so it's three to three at the end of six games.
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  Speaker 3: The Nets won a game seven UH in Norfolk, Virginia
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  Speaker 3: ninety four to eighty eight. And then they lost to
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  Speaker 3: the Indiana Pacers, who won three championships in the nine
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  Speaker 3: year history of the A B A. And are they
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  Speaker 3: the greatest, They have the greatest legacy of of the
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  Speaker 3: of the nine year A B the A B A.
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  Speaker 3: Then the next year they lost, They lost Barry. The Nets,
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  Speaker 3: Uh weren't a good team. He was a fantastic player.
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  Speaker 3: And Louis knew that the pro game wasn't from he's
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  Speaker 3: a teacher, he's a college coach. And he asked out
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  Speaker 3: the last two years of his contract, which the Nets blige,
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  Speaker 3: and he went back to Saint John's and then the
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  Speaker 3: rest is history. And you know, he coached until ninety
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  Speaker 3: two and just a wonderful guy. I only met him.
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  Speaker 3: I only think I met him once.
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  Speaker 2: He coached ninety two, but he was so much around
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  Speaker 2: till ninety seven or ninety eight, that's ninety eight years old.
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  Speaker 2: That's a testament to how much he loved Saint John's
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  Speaker 2: and how much fortitudo he had even into his late nineties.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, no question. I mean, I think they said
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  Speaker 3: they attended a couple of games last year, early in
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  Speaker 3: the season, and he was inducted into the Hall of Fame,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a couple of years after he retired, maybe
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  Speaker 3: like a year after, and Willis Reid was his presenter,
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  Speaker 3: and Willis introduced me to coach Cornesseca. I think that's
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  Speaker 3: the only time I met him was in Springfield, very briefly,
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  Speaker 3: so we didn't have any conversation. Was just the congratulations
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  Speaker 3: and that was But Willis Reed was his presenter because
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  Speaker 3: Willis was a volunteer assistant for for for coach Connaseacer.
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  Speaker 3: I believe after the Knicks fired Willis as their head coach,
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  Speaker 3: and that's where he learned some more about the coaching profession.
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  Speaker 3: And then Willis went to coach Cranton, became assistant coach
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  Speaker 3: at the Sacramento Kington, then coached the Nets and became
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  Speaker 3: general manager of the Nets for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: So well, we all know St.
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  Speaker 2: John's's rival was was you know, Villa was a Georgetown
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  Speaker 2: I should say, But with the Biggie so expanded, I
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  Speaker 2: know the cross river rival Seaton Hall as sort of
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  Speaker 2: a rivalry. But what's the rivalry that comes to mind
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  Speaker 2: for you when it comes to Saint John's Because the
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  Speaker 2: Georgetown rivalry is not as fiery as it used to be.
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  Speaker 3: Right well, it isn't because Georgetown's been down for so
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  Speaker 3: long and they need Georgetown to come back. Now it
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  Speaker 3: looks like Saint John's is coming back and that that
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  Speaker 3: will big games will inspire rivalries. The biggest rivalry in
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  Speaker 3: the early days of the Big East was Syracuse and Georgetown.
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  Speaker 3: That was the biggest rivalry, Uh, if you had to
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  Speaker 3: pick one, uh in the Big East. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: the other ones started to develop as as as the
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  Speaker 3: conference years went by, But the biggest rivalry was Syracuse
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  Speaker 3: and Georgetown. And uh obviously had great coaches in Beheim
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  Speaker 3: and Thompson. You had great players, you know, we've mentioned
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  Speaker 3: them and UH, but that was the biggest rivalry Syracuse
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  Speaker 3: and Georgetown. And then they expanded, and then they brought
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  Speaker 3: the football schools in and then they kicked the football
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  Speaker 3: schools out and now we're back to uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in eleven team league and uh, the biggest rivalry in
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  Speaker 3: the in the conference now, I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if there's one one bigger, big rivalry right now.
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  Speaker 3: I guess everybody wants to beat you ukon and but
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  Speaker 3: you know, Saint Johnson's seton Hall. I definitely have a rival, oh.
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  Speaker 2: No doubt about it. And the way they go down
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  Speaker 2: to the wire, which we've aired some of the games
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  Speaker 2: on nine to seventy back in the day, right, I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: who can forget that last second three? I think it
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  Speaker 2: was by Powell. I mean the whole thing year after
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  Speaker 2: year between these two. By the way, I want to mention,
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  Speaker 2: he did live long enough to see Saint John's ranked
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  Speaker 2: for the first time since twenty fourteen. I mean, that
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  Speaker 2: was a ten year draft of ranking.
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  Speaker 3: It.
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  Speaker 2: There he is Rick Patino getting his team, and then
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  Speaker 2: maybe lou felt it was you know, he saw it.
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  Speaker 2: He finally saw them ranked, and then the rest is history.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad he was round to see it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's almost hard to believe that they were unranked
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  Speaker 3: for that long. It really is, but they're good. They're
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  Speaker 3: going to get better rest of the season goes on,
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  Speaker 3: and I think, I mean, obviously last year we said
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  Speaker 3: they were going to be a bubble team. That's what
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  Speaker 3: they were. This year, I think they'll they'll play into
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  Speaker 3: the they have a chance to play into the second
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  Speaker 3: weekend of the NCAA tournament, and I think as the
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  Speaker 3: season goes on, we'll see them getting better. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: all these teams that are inconsistent right now because the
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  Speaker 3: roster changes every year and that makes it difficult. I
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  Speaker 3: mean even Yukon justs three games in three days with
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  Speaker 3: basically a new roster.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, you and I about all the air
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  Speaker 2: switching college sports here to the NCAA football world, and
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  Speaker 2: another team close to my heart, Notre Dame, you see,
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  Speaker 2: going far into the college football playoff for what I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna have a home game. And when I first
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  Speaker 2: started really falling college football as close as I do now,
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  Speaker 2: this wasn't around.
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  Speaker 1: This idea of a home game for.
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame of the playoffs wasn't around. The playoffs weren't
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  Speaker 2: really even around either. So Freeman's gotten them there, right,
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  Speaker 2: He's gotten them to that you know playoff, but now
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  Speaker 2: this is a totally different ballgame for many ways. Firstly,
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  Speaker 2: it's a twelve game, twelve team playoff, and secondly.
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  Speaker 1: Get a home game out of it.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I know people are worrying now because
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  Speaker 2: he's linked to the Chicago Bears job, and I swear
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame Chicago have that affinity because of the closest
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  Speaker 2: to each other.
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  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be surprising. But he's got to finish the
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  Speaker 1: job here and he might.
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  Speaker 2: You you thinking he might actually do something big for
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame in the playoffs?
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  Speaker 1: What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? I think Not Dame has a very good team.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I think they're physical, they have two great running backs,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Riley Leonard knows how to run that offense. They may
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: be a little short and wide receiver category, but I
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: think they have a very good team. I think they
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: can grind, grind out games. I think they can wear
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: teams down. I think that I really do think they
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: have a chance. A little disappointed and now I'm nitpicking that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: You know, they gave up so many yards and points
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: to USC the other day, But I think they have
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: a chance now they got they don't get a bye,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: even though they get a home game. They got to
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: win four games to win the championship. It but I
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: think Noa Dame. I definitely think Notre Dame has a chance.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Obviously there's a lot of good teams in there. I
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: not crazy about these conference championship games getting in a
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: way of of selection Sunday, which I guess is gonna
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: happen this weekend. I'm not a big fan of the brackets.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: They should recede if they're going to do it like
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: they're doing it this year. Again, this is the first year.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Maybe they'll change, but again Alabama is not playing this week,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: george is playing Texas. Will use it as an example.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Georgia did beat Texas pretty handily in Austin. But if
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Texas wins this time and gets Georgia a third loss,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and Georgia lost to Alabama, even though Georgia made that
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: great comeback but they did lose in the end, does
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Alabama jump them and does Alabama win by not playing
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: this week? So these conference champion games, I believe in
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: the next three to five years will be gone. They
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: serve no purpose, and so we're gonna have It's gonna
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: be very interesting to see what happens. I mean, there
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: are a lot of good teams. I don't know, Alex,
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I have no idea how Ohio State, a twenty one
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: point favorite, lost at home to Michigan with everything on
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: the line on on Saturday. I don't I don't.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Call any given Saturday. And I mean, look, Michigan nailed it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: And you know, it's kind of funny the difference. I
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: hate does it compare the NFL team to a college team.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: But you look at the day before and the Raiders
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: fumbling their go ahead possible against the Chiefs and Michigan
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: nailing it. That's sports, that's football. But you know, you're right,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: how did it even get to that point after? You know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Michigan did turn over the ball a few times during
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that game, but they were resilient.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And kudos to Sharon.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Moore, And I know he's on an up and down year,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: but and replacing Harball is very tough to do, right,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: we can both go.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: But Moore was there. I picked because he was there
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: under Harball's tutelage.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So I would say they should give him a couple
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: more years, let him recruit his own guys and see
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: No, I think that game. Say not that he was
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: gonna lose his job anyway, but that game definitely saved him.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, Ryan Day, you hear rumors coming out of Cleveland,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Columbus and Cincinnati. The Ohio media, you know, basically said
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: you're one and four against Michigan and if you if
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: you don't have a good playoff, talking about firing a guy.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I think the guy who's forty eight and one Ryan
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Days against Big East, Big East, Big Ten opponents, but
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: one and four against Michigan. So he's lost six lost,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: allegedly lost six the Big twelve game of Big Ten games,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: and five of them to Michigan. You know, you lose
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: when you lose such a historic and bitter rival as Michigan. Well,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: if it was Michigan, the same thing. If the media
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: is going to come down hard on you. And let's
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: face it, Ohio State is big in the state of Ohio.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: It's they're a professional team. They have a twenty million
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: dollar roster with nil money.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Do you remember they were going to use all their
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: nil MILLII almost like a free agent signing to trying
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and get Marvin Harrison junior back. I mean, this is
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: not just a kid's game anymore. This is like free
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: agency and I never thought we'd use that term.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Well, it's free agency and they're professionals, so so we'll see.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, the Big Ten has a great chance to
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: win the championship because you know, as of this week,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: they have Oregon at one over Penn State is three,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Ohio State is six, Indiana is nine, and what a
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: great year for Indiana. You usually do not see turnarounds
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: like that in college football, like they like Indiana's pulled
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: off this year.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: So true.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: What's interesting also is that my friend is a Nitney
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Lion fan, so I got a maybe on a fanatics
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: jersey for the Nidney Lions. I don't know yet, we
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: have to see, but Oregon is a very interesting case
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: because I just think it's it's like, were they this
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: down in the Pac twelve. I know they had some runs,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: but they are dominant in the Big Ten. Is it
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: just an even more even field for them or what?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned that when you
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: look a look at some of these games this weekend
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: in the Power four conferences, each one of the Powerful
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Conferences championship games have a first year member playing in it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: In the Big Ten, you have Oregon playing Penn State.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: In Big twelve, you have Arizona State, a former PAC
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Pac twelve team just like Oregon, playing for the championship
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: against Iowa State. In the ACC, you have a school
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: from the Group of five, not even a Power five
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: as it was called last year for SMU, a very
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: good team who was in the American Athletic Conference last
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: year playing for the championship in the ACC.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: By the way, Arizona State chuted to coach Kenny I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: don't have you heard about this, but he gave his
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: staff bonuses after he got a bone.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: How cool is that?
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I heard about that. He got a two hundred thousand
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: dollars bonus for getting to the championship game and winning
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: nine games, and he's sharing it with his assistant coaches,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: and that is that is a class a class move.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: And in the SEC championship game, you have a Big
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: twelve team last year playing for the SEC championship Texas
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: versus Georgia. So basically, getting back to your original point,
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I guess it just shows the parody of college football.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: But anybody who tried to put down the PAC twelve
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: or the or the Big twelve or even even the
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Group of four team like SMU, Well, they proved it
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: this year. They went through, they went through the whole
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: year and they're twelve.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I believe all of these teams are in here now
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: because of the UCF deal where they were undefeated and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: they didn't.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Get any mention, any mention.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: This is why the playoff exists, right, the exposed play Yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: that's why the expanded playoffs exists.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: And Alex forty years ago when they said they couldn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: have a playoff in college football because it would affect
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: the balls and you can't you can't have the kids
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: playing these many playoff games, that was bull crap. They
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: should have had it. They should have had it's seventy
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: years ago a playoff system because voting for the national
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: champion like they did before nineteen ninety I believe it was.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: And then they had the national championship game was just
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the playoff basically was just two teams, then four now
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: twelve and I think it's gonna go to fourteen in
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: a couple of years. It should have been like this
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: all the time. So, I mean, this is gonna be
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: very interesting. I'm really looking forward to it, and I
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: want to and we'll run into something that they're gonna
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: have to fix. And I just brought up something a
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: little while ago. They're gonna have to get rid of
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: these conference championship games. They're not doing anybody any good. Yes,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: they're making money for the conferences, but it's time to
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: it's for competition's sake. It's time. If you're gonna have
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: this kind of playoff, you have to blow up the
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: conference championship games. They don't mean anything.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Lou I gotta say, we didn't cover the major NFL
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: teams around here because it's just all news at this point.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So the new news will be next week.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Maybe we talk about where mister Soto goes real quick
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: before we wrap tonight.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: This whole game is a game. Okay, it's a whole.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Game that Boris is playing, and I'm used to it
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: by now, but it's just it's a stressor it's like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the holidays. We don't enjoy Christmas. We don't want to
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: deal with this stress. But you know, Boris is a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: showman more than an agent. Sometimes well he thinks he.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: He might be, and he might be. He thinks he
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: is running baseball. He might be the most powerful man
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: in baseball. Who knows. I mean, I'm gonna just say
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: what we said on earlier podcast, Hey, best hitter in baseball.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I believe Soto is all around, most disciplined, you know,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: obviously has the high on base percentage. As as a
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Mets fan, yeah, well, I like to see the Mets
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: get get Soto, Yes, but as we talked about, if
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: they're going to give him seven hundred million dollars or
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: six hundred fifty million, whatever the heck, he's going to
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: get and I think we're gonna know. We're gonna know
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: either on day one of the Baseball Winter Meetings. You know,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: we said between the Sevember fifteenth and January fifteenth. Think
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: it's going to be closer to December fifteenth. But if
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the Mets don't get him, I hope and I'm sure
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: they have a plan. B. There's a lot of good
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: players out there, and you could spread one one Soto
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: salary over three or four players, So we'll see. Yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I would like to see the Mets get them, but
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the Mets have you know, the Mets have other areas
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: to fill in, especially you.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Know, especially losing the Savarino to the A's today for
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: three years and I guess what seventy mili I mean,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: that's a good, good sized contract for him.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: That's a good size contract for the age thing. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: think it might be their biggest free agent signing in
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: ACEH history.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: And it's almost like a trade. I mean, I know
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: only bounds run of it, but Montos was the A's guy.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Now he's on the Mets, so it's just it's on
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: a bit of a trade indirectly here.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: But Lou, always a pleasure.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Hope your Christmas shopping is going well and maybe maybe
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Yankee fans will have that present under the tree. We'll
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: have to see in the next week's are coming up.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: But join me next week, will you, Lou for another Terminos?
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah? You all? I want to talk about next week
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: the Golden at Back.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that'll be fitting because it's a Michael's k
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: last week with the boys La Greca and Rosenberg, so
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: we'll have to talk about that as well. Lou, always
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: a pleasure, Thank you, my friend. And that's been Lou
• 29:20
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