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Biblical View of Israel with Dr. Michael Rydelnik & AI Going to Church with Dr. Todd Korpi · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide. Overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined. Start
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  S1: your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Practical from the Bible. Tips and tricks to kill. Not
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  S2: tricks but tips and tricks.
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  S3: Tips and tricks to kill. Tips and tricks.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: All of my attempts to, you know, prop myself up
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  S4: with achievement in good works. Well, God wasn't impressed by that,
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  S4: even if other people were.
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  S2: The gospel changes everything.
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  S5: Freedom in Christ. Man, it's like that backpack of cement
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  S5: just falling to the ground.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew.
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  S6: You can learn a lot from a dog. And then
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  S6: sometimes you can learn about yourself when you own a
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  S6: dog goes both ways.
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  S7: You need to explain a little.
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  S6: More to Blaise. Is my six month old. What's the
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  S6: date today?
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  S2: Uh, it's the 24th.
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  S6: Yeah, he was born September 24th, so he is six
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  S6: months old.
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  S2: There you go. Happy half. Blaise.
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  S6: Yeah, he's a half year old boy. This dude, if I'm.
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  S6: I did a little bit of research on this. You'd
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  S6: think I'd know since I had scores of huskies back
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  S6: in the day when I was training for the team,
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  S6: but I forgot I didn't know. I didn't know when
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  S6: they peak out in growth. So at six months for
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  S6: my sled dog, he's going to get about another inch
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  S6: in the shoulders in the back. And that's about it.
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  S6: And he can't handle any more than that because his
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  S6: legs are so lanky and long right now. And I
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  S6: know people are saying, where's the pictures? I promise you,
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  S6: we're going to get those up on social media. I
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  S6: got to get some fresh pics of Blaise.
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  S7: Do.
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  S6: Especially one thing that he does with me now. So
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  S6: now I've got this long leash. I'm talking 30, 40ft.
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  S6: It's awesome. So I go in the side lawn and
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  S6: he's got this deal where I walk out there with
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  S6: him and he's just like, this is great. This is
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  S6: the best part of my day. And he loves it.
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  S6: And it's like, I'll grab a stick. Now he doesn't
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  S6: like the store bought sticks because those cost money. He
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  S6: wants the ones that you just rip off trees.
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  S2: Boy, it's like a baby, man. You can buy all
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  S2: the toys you want.
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  S3: Forget the.
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  S2: Toys. They want the wrapper.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: Give me the. Give me the wrapper. Let me cram
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  S6: this in my mouth. So he's got this. I've got
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  S6: this game with him. I go, where's the where's the stick?
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  S6: Where's the stick? And he's looking around like, where is it?
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  S6: Where is it? And I have a little bit different
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  S6: vantage point and he's sniffing and I'm looking and I
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  S6: generally can find it before him. And then I hold
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  S6: that stick up and I sprint away from him and
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  S6: he's after me. Like, I got to get that stick
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  S6: and then I'll hold it down where he's just got
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  S6: to jump off the ground about four feet, five feet,
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  S6: and he just leaps in the air and grabs it.
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  S6: And I go, oh, you got the stick. And then
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  S6: I'm after him. I'm gonna get the stick. And he
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  S6: loves that man. Because now it's keep away time and
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  S6: he can flat fly. So I'll. I'll lunge for him,
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  S6: which I'm, you know, I'm not up there yet, but,
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  S6: you know, lunging on the grass, the terra firma.
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  S2: The grass gets harder every year.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S6: Grass get. Thank you. Young thunder grass gets harder every year.
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  S6: But I still lunge at him, take dives at him,
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  S6: and he just thinks that's the greatest thing going. So
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  S6: we have this keepaway game and then he'll do this
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  S6: fake growl when he's got the stick and he's exhausted
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  S6: and I still walk toward him going, we're going to
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  S6: keep running, baby. And he's. And he's got that stick
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  S6: in his mouth. And I'll, I'll just I'll I'll do
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  S6: like him sneaking up on him and I'll sneak up
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  S6: on him and and then he goes, oh. It's that
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  S6: little low grade.
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  S3: Howl.
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  S6: Growl, you know, and then off he goes, man. Oh,
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  S6: it's so much fun. Well, last night. He's got this
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  S6: crazy eight indoor toy, and he loves this one. This
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  S6: is great. It's just all this woven together, uh, fabric
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  S6: that creates this crazy eight. It's supposed to be indestructible. Well,
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  S6: that ain't that's not as advertised. No, it's already falling apart.
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  S3: This thing's supposed to be.
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  S6: It's, like, indestructible. Well, you haven't met Blaise.
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  S7: Say, except for Blaise, there's an asterisk.
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  S6: My word, he can pull that thing to pieces. So
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  S6: I'm playing keep away with him on his little rug
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  S6: in front of my glider. And. And he loves it, man.
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  S6: Tug of war. I don't know how he doesn't get sick.
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  S6: His head's whipping back and forth at terminal velocity. So
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  S6: then I said to him, I'm going to get it. Well,
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  S6: he's got it down there on the floor, and he's
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  S6: looking at me out of the corner of his eye,
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  S6: and he's got both paws on it. And he's going, well,
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  S6: I've taught him don't bite. right?
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  S3: Of course.
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  S6: So he's learning don't bite. And he's he's got it.
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  S6: Except when I'm reaching for that Krazy Eight pull toy.
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  S6: And then he's like, reaching down and taking a chomp
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  S6: out of my hand three times. So initially I thought, no.
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  S6: And I said, no blades. And then I realized, hold it.
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  S6: And this is where it works so well with scripture.
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  S6: I'm provoking this guy. I mean, the game is the game.
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  S6: The game is keep the toy away.
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  S2: Sure. That's what he's focused on.
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  S6: Yeah. So when I'm coming in for it, he's gonna
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  S6: take a bite out of my hand because that's the game.
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  S6: So I'm like, all right. I'm sending him mixed signals
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  S6: and here's and I can't do that anymore. So I
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  S6: apologize to him. And he didn't understand what I was saying.
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  S6: But I'm going to fix it. So here's what we find. Fathers,
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  S6: do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them
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  S6: up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord. You know,
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  S6: discipline instruction of the Lord is its consistency over time
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  S6: with truth. And what Blaise taught me is if you're
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  S6: not consistent with the truth, over time, you're sending mixed
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  S6: signals to, in this case, your kids or to a puppy.
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  S6: And it's provocative. It's like telling a kid not to
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  S6: drink while you're knocking down a six pack watching the
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  S6: NCAA championship tournament. Think about that. It's like telling a
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  S6: kid how to be good friends. But you're gossiping after church.
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  S6: You know, I'm, you know.
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  S3: Now we're meddling here.
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  S7: Well.
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  S2: Yeah. People are. Our children are observant. I mean, my
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  S2: two year old is in the repeat phase of life
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  S2: and whatever.
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  S3: Mom and dad, whatever mom.
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  S2: And dad do. And. And, you know, I one time
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  S2: I was upset with my dog and because my dog
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  S2: was getting into the trash and I, I yelled and
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  S2: I said, code-a. And then she runs up behind me
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  S2: and goes, code-a. And I'm like, okay, I need to, uh,
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  S2: I need to be calmer when I'm handling some of
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  S2: these things because she hears it and she's catching it.
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  S3: She's gonna do it, man.
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  S2: She's gonna do it. And so she.
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  S3: Sees.
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  S6: If you tell her, don't yell.
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  S3: Don't yell at the dog.
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  S2: She's like, you just did that.
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  S6: Hold it. That's provocative.
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  S2: Yeah. So I have to say, instead of saying don't yell,
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  S2: I go, you know what? Daddy shouldn't have yelled. So
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  S2: daddy's gonna stop yelling. Let's all stop yelling. And and
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  S2: we all got to do that together now. But you know,
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  S2: it's real. They're observant, they see. And it it doesn't
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  S2: make sense to them. Why, you would tell them not
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  S2: to do something and do something else. Because that doesn't
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  S2: make sense. Why would we tell someone not to do
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  S2: something and then go do it?
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  S6: So wild. Okay, coming up here in three minutes. Um,
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  S6: totally detached, but totally linked to our topic here This
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  S6: whole week in times can be scary. I mean, you
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  S6: can look at what's going on in our post-Christian America
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  S6: right now and you can get a little bit. Wow,
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  S6: what's going on? And that can be used by God
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  S6: in a powerful way to jolt us from a cultural
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  S6: Christianity that is everywhere around us. So coming up here
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  S6: in just a few, I want to open my heart
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  S6: to you, and I want to ask you to open
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  S6: your heart to God and see what God may be
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  S6: speaking to you. Because these are days when God wants
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  S6: your full attention about what is real and what isn't.
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  S6: Hang on.
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  S1: Take your next step with Jesus today. You're listening to
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  S1: Carl and Cru.
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  S6: Concerning the day and hour. No one knows. That's verse
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  S6: 36 of Matthew 24. But Jesus goes on to tell
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  S6: his disciples about what's going to happen and what the
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  S6: kingdom of heaven will be like. And he describes it
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  S6: in dramatic terms. And I want to read this story
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  S6: to you. It's super insightful. Here in Matthew 25, this
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  S6: is what Jesus said to his disciples. Then the kingdom
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  S6: of heaven will be like ten virgins. Or in some translations,
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  S6: bridesmaids who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom.
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  S6: Five of them were foolish and five were wise. For
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  S6: when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil
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  S6: with them. I think this is. I'm convinced this is
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  S6: representative of the infilling of the Holy Spirit, and I
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  S6: think it'll come clean here in a moment. They took
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  S6: no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of
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  S6: oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they
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  S6: all became drowsy and slept. Isn't that interesting? So this is.
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  S6: This is a story about the coming of of the
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  S6: the groom coming for his bridesmaids, the church. But they
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  S6: all became groggy. They all got groggy because they're like, well, all,
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  S6: all ten. The five with oil and the five without oil.
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  S6: They all got groggy.
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  S2: What do you think that part means?
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  S6: It's apathy about Will Jesus be returning or he hasn't
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  S6: come back yet?
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  S2: Getting a little tired of waiting.
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  S6: Everybody's falling.
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  S3: Asleep.
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  S6: Isn't that fascinating? But at midnight there was a cry.
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  S6: Here's the bridegroom. Come out to meet him. Then all
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  S6: those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish
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  S6: said to the wise, the five that didn't have oil.
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  S6: Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are
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  S6: going out. But the wise answered, saying, since there will
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  S6: not be enough for us and for you, go rather
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  S6: to the dealers and buy for yourselves. And while they
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  S6: were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who
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  S6: were ready went in with him to the marriage feast,
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  S6: and the door was shut. Afterward, the other virgins, the
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  S6: five that were unwise, came also, saying, Lord, Lord, open
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  S6: to us. But he answered, truly I say to you,
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  S6: I do not know you. Watch therefore, for you know
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  S6: neither the day nor the hour. Okay, I'm going to
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  S6: pour my heart out to you. This is very important.
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  S6: You're going to notice that there's two words that are used,
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  S6: much like in Matthew seven, Lord, Lord. Notice that Jesus
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  S6: is saying that in both instances. Now Matthew seven, you
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  S6: find something that who. It's a little bit unnerving because
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  S6: it's the day of judgment when that day comes. So
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  S6: it's paralleling what we find here. And this is what
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  S6: Jesus says himself. Many will say on that day, Lord, Lord,
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  S6: and they're going to say, Lord, Lord, we taught in
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  S6: the name of Jesus. We baptized in the name of Jesus.
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  S6: We cast out demons in the name of Jesus. We
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  S6: did mighty works in the name of Jesus. And he's
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  S6: going to say, I never knew you. Now you got
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  S6: to stop and go. Hold it here a second. You
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  S6: mean to tell me that there are people that are
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  S6: spiritually active because they were in Matthew seven? And by
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  S6: the way, in what we find here in Matthew 25
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  S6: is they're spiritually anticipating all these bridesmaids. All ten of
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  S6: them had one thing in common. They were waiting for
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  S6: the return of Christ, but five were ready, five were not.
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  S6: Now that causes us to say, hold it. Is it
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  S6: possible that some people have an illusion that they are
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  S6: ready to go when Jesus comes and they are not.
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  S6: And the answer is absolutely. We find this over and
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  S6: over again, not only in the teachings of Jesus, but
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  S6: in the teaching of Paul. He speaks to the church
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  S6: at Corinth. Examine yourself to see that you're in the
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  S6: faith now. I'm going to tell you right now you
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  S6: can know that you stand with God and He stands
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  S6: with you. You can know that. And I wrote a
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  S6: blog several years ago now that has gone out tens
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  S6: of thousands of times, and all you have to do
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  S6: is text the word stand. And if you're asking the question,
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  S6: we've got a resource for you. Stand to 805 5578998
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  S6: just midstream. I just want to offer that to you
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  S6: because I don't want any of you who are truly
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  S6: born again to get weak in the knees and to
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  S6: live with the sin, to doubt. You can know that.
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  S6: You know you stand with God and He stands with you.
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  S6: But the fact remains, guys, that we can think that
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  S6: we are dressed up, but we have no place to go.
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  S6: Will there be some? Will there be many who say
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  S6: on that day, Lord, Lord. And the answer is yes.
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  S6: And the tendency is to think the people that are
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  S6: going to say, Lord, Lord. And he's going to say,
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  S6: I never knew you. Are the people that are far
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  S6: from God. They're atheists. They're shaking a fist at God.
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  S6: That isn't the case in Scripture. There is this thing
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  S6: of deception, personal deception, that we see something in ourselves
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  S6: that isn't there. I sometimes call it a hallucination. This
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  S6: is why we need to be ready. This is why
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  S6: the warning is there in Matthew seven and in Matthew 25,
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  S6: and in First Corinthians and second Corinthians and elsewhere in Scripture.
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  S6: So the question is what's going on today in our
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  S6: culture in North American Christianity? Let me give you some
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  S6: stat lines that we've been looking at here recently that
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  S6: are very sobering. 72%, according to a recent Barna research,
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  S6: claimed to be Christian. I got that in air quotes
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  S6: right now in America today, but that means nothing because
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  S6: you've a lot of you have heard in name only
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  S6: fill in the blank in name only. Well, there's a
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  S6: lot of people that their bowlers in name only, they're
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  S6: golfers in name only, they're whatever. But there's a lot
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  S6: of Christians in name only. So you take another stat
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  S6: from Pew Research and you go, hold it a second. 24%
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  S6: of North Americans actually go to. Or somewhat infrequent or
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  S6: frequently attend a what would be called an evangelical church,
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  S6: somebody that is preaching from the Bible. The truth of
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  S6: God's Word, not a mainline denomination that pitched the gospel
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  S6: years ago. I'm talking in it to win it, preaching it,
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  S6: being faithful 20 plus percent. Well, then you take a
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  S6: most recent stat in 2025 from Born Again, and you
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  S6: look at this stat, 4% of North Americans, 4%, have
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  S6: a Christian worldview. They believe that the father loved the
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  S6: world so much that he sent his Son. Jesus lived.
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  S6: He was crucified. He was buried. That he rose again,
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  S6: that there is a fellowship of the saints, those men
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  S6: and women who have repented and followed Jesus Christ. They
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  S6: hold that worldview and more to it than that, but
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  S6: roughly that worldview and they desire to align their private
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  S6: and public lives with that worldview. 4%. And you got
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  S6: to say, why the gap? The gap is this massive deception.
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  S6: I'd say the biggest, massive deception is 60 plus percent
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  S6: of North America that says they possess something and they don't. Now,
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  S6: those are big numbers. And here's the reality. And I
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  S6: know this today, that number could be you. How do
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  S6: I know that you don't share this all the time anymore.
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  S6: But I'm going to start doing it again, at least today.
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  S6: Right now. And this is for you. I was I
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  S6: was raised in church. I had my robes on. I
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  S6: had a lamp in my hand, but there was no
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  S6: oil in it for me. I thought I knew Jesus.
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  S6: I wasn't living the abundant life, but I thought I
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  S6: knew Jesus, but he didn't know me. Why? I'd never
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  S6: repented of my sins. I had never turned everything that
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  S6: I am in my life over to God. And we
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  S6: live in a culture today with a lot of easy
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  S6: Believism slip a hand in the air. It's. Come get
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  S6: baptized and. But are there people who are baptized who
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  S6: are not born again? Yeah, I was. So after all
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  S6: of my attempts to try to fill my. As Pascal says,
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  S6: that God shaped void with competing in the Iditarod. And
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  S6: then that didn't work. And then I headed to the
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  S6: oil fields in Alaska and started earning a lot of
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  S6: money as a young man. And because I'm trying to
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  S6: fill that void, I got into drinking and I got
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  S6: into cocaine. I got into everything. But hear me, friend. Don't,
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  S6: don't don't be deceived here. Sometimes your God is not
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  S6: as lethal as cocaine, but it's lethal for eternity. And
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  S6: so the question is, where do you really stand with God?
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  S6: And you might be saying right now, Carl, I just
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  S6: don't know exactly where I stand with God. I could
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  S6: go all over Scripture this morning. I want to go
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  S6: to the words of Jesus. He says, I am the
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  S6: way and the truth and the life. No man comes
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  S6: to the father but through me. And in those three
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  S6: words we find the way. Meaning our way won't cut it.
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  S6: We can't keep walking this broad path that leads to
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  S6: destruction with Jesus in one hand and our idols in another.
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  S6: That's not salvation. God will not co-habitate with your gods.
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  S6: What in the world is going on around our globe?
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  S6: You see the news of the arson fire, the really
• 29:19
  S6: anti-Semitic attack on volunteer ambulances in London. And you think,
• 29:27
  S6: how can this be happening? How can one nation that
• 29:32
  S6: has one state have such ire of the world? How
• 29:37
  S6: can it be Michael Redlick how can it be my friend?
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  S8: Well, it's always their hatred of the Jewish people, not
• 29:45
  S8: just the Jewish state is endemic. It's like a disease
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  S8: that's always under the surface and pops out periodically for
• 29:53
  S8: epidemic proportions. I think we're in one of those epidemics
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  S8: or even a pandemic right now.
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  S6: Yeah. Doctor Michael Ray, my guest right now, dear friend,
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  S6: good man of God, professor emeritus of Jewish studies at
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• 30:09
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• 30:28
  S6: Speaking of open line, what are the most frequently asked
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  S6: questions that you get? Michael?
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  S8: Uh, well, lately I've been getting a lot of questions
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  S8: about the war and not just this war with Iran,
• 30:41
  S8: but about Israel, but generally speaking, uh, inconsequential questions. Uh,
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  S8: like this is kind of funny. People really are concerned
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  S8: about who are the sons of men, sort of sons
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  S8: of God, daughters of men and the Nephilim in Genesis six.
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  S6: So what's the answer for that one? These were just
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  S6: big guys, right? Yeah.
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  S8: Well, I think they were actually different than that. Uh,
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  S8: in Genesis yeah, four and five, you have the godly
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  S8: line of Seth. And then chapter five, you have the
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  S8: ungodly line of Cain, and they marry together. And, uh,
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  S8: then you have their sons of God. That's the godly
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  S8: line of Seth marrying the daughters of men, uh, the
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  S8: ungodly line of Cain. And they produce, uh, the what, the, uh,
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  S8: the product of those marriages were, uh, Nephilim, which means
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  S8: fallen ones in Hebrew. So they. And then what happens
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  S8: is the society becomes so corrupt that God destroys the
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  S8: world because of a flood with a flood.
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  S6: Michael, uh, brought you in here specifically to talk about
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  S6: end times.
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  S3: Mhm.
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  S6: Uh, there's a lot of things that we can because
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  S6: we live in this day, in this time, especially as
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  S6: people get older, they can read things into things that
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  S6: maybe aren't there, but what is there that give me
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  S6: the top three indicators that we are moving closer to
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  S6: the end times. What do you see as the top three?
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  S3: Well.
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  S8: You know, I want to be really careful about this
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  S8: because I don't I don't.
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  S6: You don't know.
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  S8: Speculate, I don't know. Yeah. But here's what I think.
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  S8: First of all, there needs to be a Jewish state
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  S8: in ancient in their ancient homeland for many of the
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  S8: events of then days to take place. You read what
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  S8: the Bible has to say about the end of days.
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  S8: For example, what starts the future tribulation? It's not the rapture.
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  S8: The rapture will happen before then, I believe, but the
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  S8: what starts it is the covenant between Israel and the future.
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  S8: False Messiah, the Antichrist that's in Daniel 924 through 27.
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  S8: So what begins the tribulation period? Daniel's 70th week is
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  S8: a covenant, a treaty with Israel. And so there has
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  S8: to be in Israel. There are other factors, like the
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  S8: fact that Israel has to recognize the Messiah at the
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  S8: Second Coming, and they have to be in the land
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  S8: and delivered with the Mount of Olives being split. The
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  S8: campaign of Armageddon is, uh, marching through the valley of Jezreel,
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  S8: gathering there, marching down to Jerusalem, surrounding it. So the
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  S8: fact that there was a reborn state of Israel in 1948,
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  S8: a modern return to the land beginning in 1882. All
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  S8: that tells me that we are closer to the end
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  S8: of days. That's one thing. A second factor, I believe,
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  S8: and this is important, is the rise of hatred of
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  S8: the Jewish people. Uh, because what we see in the
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  S8: tribulation period is there's going to be a great deal
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  S8: of tribulation. Here's the third one, a tribulation for Jewish
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  S8: people out of hatred. And then lastly, uh, the U.N., uh,
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  S8: hating Israel to such an extent on unjustifiable grounds. But
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  S8: it says that in the end of days. Zechariah 12,
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  S8: Zechariah 14, all nations will gather against Jerusalem. That seems
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  S8: so possible with. With the way the world is turning
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  S8: anti Israel.
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  S6: With regard to all nations will turn. Right now we
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  S6: have something called the Abraham Accords. They're very encouraging. But
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  S6: at the end of days, at the end of it all,
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  S6: I mean, there is going to be this apparent divide
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  S6: between Sunni and Shia. Please explain that to us here. Currently,
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  S6: what's going on? But but those Abraham Accords, they'll be dissolved.
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  S6: I mean, those those will go away, right, Michael?
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  S8: Well, yeah. But you know, when you read Ezekiel 38
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  S8: and 39, it it's very state. The statement talks about
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  S8: that there's going to be this, uh, invasion of Israel
• 34:50
  S8: and it looks like it's all, again, I don't want
• 34:52
  S8: to speculate, but right now from Persia, all the Persia, Russia,
• 34:57
  S8: but not Russia. Actually, the eastern part of the former
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  S8: Soviet Union that are the states. Yeah. The Islamic states
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  S8: that used to be in the Soviet Union and Libya, Sudan,
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  S8: it looks like an Islamic invasion. And it's very specific.
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  S8: It talks about that the Gulf states and, uh, Tarshish,
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  S8: which represents seemingly Europe. Spain, uh, won't be part of that.
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  S8: So it does look like that the Abraham Accords might
• 35:25
  S8: hold at least in the middle of the tribulation when
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  S8: that invasion happens.
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  S6: Fascinating. Doctor Michael Radulovic, our guest right now, more with
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  S6: Doctor Michael Radulovic on End times. Straight ahead.
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  S6: Doctor Michael Riedel. Nick, my guest this morning. We're talking
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  S6: end times this whole week. And boy, I sure love Michael.
• 35:52
  S6: This is the one that you and I have discussed
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  S6: off air. What is America's role in end times now. Michael,
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  S6: 20 years ago we would have thought very differently of
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  S6: this one. But boy, times are changing here, my friend.
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  S8: Again, we can't speculate. We'll see what happens. America is
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  S8: not mentioned. Perhaps it's part of the European group, the,
• 36:13
  S8: you know, Western European, that that seems to be there's
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  S8: going to be a confederacy of nations, uh, ten nation
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  S8: Confederacy that will turn, uh, and follow that future false Messiah.
• 36:25
  S8: Maybe America will be part of that. Uh, maybe we
• 36:28
  S8: become inconsequential and we don't have any role to play whatsoever. Uh,
• 36:34
  S8: but it may be that we're part of that that
• 36:36
  S8: will turn anti-Israel. That's one of the, the factors that,
• 36:40
  S8: that I see today is that there's a not just
• 36:43
  S8: on the radical left, more becoming centrist on the left,
• 36:47
  S8: but on the radical right. Yes. An anti-Israel movement.
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  S6: It's really disturbing.
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  S8: And, and listen, the radical rights, not just turning anti-Israel
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  S8: or against the policies of the State of Israel. They
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  S8: are engaging in all sorts of conspiracy theories about Jewish
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  S8: people all over the world.
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  S6: Yeah. Including the taking of Charlie Kirk's life. It's gotten
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  S6: quite bizarre, to say the least. Yeah. Uh, if someone
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  S6: receives the mark of the beast, can they repent now?
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  S6: You don't receive the mark of the beast. You actually
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  S6: take it, right, Michael? Yeah.
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  S8: Yeah. Here's the thing. The Bible says that we're all
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  S8: under condemnation right now. John 336. Right? Right. We're all
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  S8: sitting under judgment. And so when when it says that
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  S8: if you take the mark of the beast, that you'll
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  S8: be judged, right? I assume that that's the case unless
• 37:36
  S8: a person repents. And I don't know if they can
• 37:39
  S8: remove the mark of the beast, if God can remove
• 37:41
  S8: the mark of the beast. I don't know about that. Uh,
• 37:45
  S8: it does look like don't do it because that will
• 37:48
  S8: bring eternal judgment. However, this is just me because the
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  S8: text doesn't say so. But in other places, it does
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  S8: seem to say that there's never a time where a
• 37:57
  S8: person can't repent, and I wouldn't. And so just seems
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  S8: to me I want to leave that door open, that
• 38:03
  S8: God can do greater things even than the mark of
• 38:06
  S8: the beast can do.
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  S6: It would seem that if the mark of the beast
• 38:09
  S6: provides allowance for people to exchange goods, receive food, and
• 38:15
  S6: somebody were to take the mark and then repent, and
• 38:18
  S6: they just hit the sidelines asking for no assistance, and
• 38:22
  S6: they genuinely mean it. God's in the business of redeeming, right? Michael.
• 38:27
  S8: Yeah. That's it. I never, uh, when it comes to humanity,
• 38:30
  S8: God is in the business of redeeming and I never
• 38:32
  S8: want to close the door on that. And so I know, listen,
• 38:36
  S8: every time this question comes up, Karl, I get hate
• 38:38
  S8: mail because I say that God can still redeem people,
• 38:41
  S8: but I'll stick with it. I'll stand on the side
• 38:44
  S8: of God's powerful redemption.
• 38:46
  S6: What are the biggest misconceptions about end times that you
• 38:49
  S6: would love to clear up right now?
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  S8: Okay. The biggest misconception is that we know exactly how
• 38:58
  S8: it will look when we study it.
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  S3: You don't.
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  S6: Even. Michael.
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  S8: I try to be very cautious about that. Uh, you know,
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  S8: in first, uh, in second. Kings seven. Uh, when Elisha, uh,
• 39:13
  S8: tells you, remember that story? There's no food. And he
• 39:17
  S8: tells the, the steward of the king. He says, by tomorrow,
• 39:22
  S8: food prices are going to drop precipitously.
• 39:25
  S6: That's the four lepers. That's the four.
• 39:27
  S8: Lepers. He can't. Well, he the the steward says, even
• 39:31
  S8: if the windows of heaven opened, what would. That couldn't happen. Well,
• 39:35
  S8: the ammonites flee. Uh, the lepers get the food.
• 39:39
  S6: They they bring it back.
• 39:41
  S8: They bring it back. The food prices drop. The steward
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  S8: doesn't get to benefit from it. It's fulfilled. Exactly. Literally,
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  S8: but in a way that no one would have anticipated.
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  S8: That's what I think will happen with the end of days.
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  S8: It will be fulfilled, literally. But I'm not sure that
• 40:00
  S8: we'll see exactly how it will happen. So I believe it.
• 40:03
  S8: I don't want to be like that steward, but I'm
• 40:06
  S8: never going to say I know exactly how this how
• 40:08
  S8: God's going to work all this out.
• 40:10
  S6: That's one of my favorite stories. I think it's second
• 40:12
  S6: Kings seven, is it not?
• 40:13
  S8: Yeah. Second Kings seven.
• 40:14
  S6: Yeah, yeah. Tremendous story of God's providence and work there.
• 40:18
  S6: It's just amazing. And that steward was actually trampled by
• 40:21
  S6: the people that were trying to run out to get
• 40:23
  S6: the goods.
• 40:24
  S8: Just like Elisha said, you're not going to get the benefit.
• 40:26
  S6: Yeah, yeah, you'll.
• 40:27
  S8: See it, but you won't benefit from it.
• 40:29
  S6: Michael, how do you pray right now? When you see
• 40:33
  S6: anti-Semitism and it's on such a rise, I would say globally,
• 40:39
  S6: have we seen in modern history? I mean, you've obviously
• 40:43
  S6: the Holocaust. But that was globally. There was a Injection
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  S6: globally of that. What do you how do you pray
• 40:51
  S6: right now?
• 40:52
  S8: Michael, I want to say that, first of all, the
• 40:55
  S8: Holocaust was not globally.
• 40:56
  S6: It wasn't.
• 40:58
  S8: No. Uh, if you in the 1930s, before the the
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  S8: genocide of the Jewish people became known when it was
• 41:05
  S8: just antisemitism, persecution, Jew hatred.
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  S6: Uh, that wasn't rejected.
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  S8: No, the United States, when surveys were done in the
• 41:15
  S8: 1930s about who is the most dangerous, uh, group who
• 41:19
  S8: who do you fear the most? Americans said Jewish people,
• 41:22
  S8: not Nazi Germany.
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  S6: So I did not know that.
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  S8: Uh, yeah, there's a good documentary, America and the Holocaust,
• 41:29
  S8: a lot of books about that as well. Uh, so
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  S8: that's one thing. And then during the Holocaust, America didn't
• 41:35
  S8: seek to do anything and, or did the British to
• 41:38
  S8: try and put an end to it when they could have.
• 41:40
  S8: And that's one of the great sadnesses of it. Franklin
• 41:44
  S8: Roosevelt said, well, my Jews are safe. And so there's
• 41:47
  S8: always this hatred of the Jewish people and it's always
• 41:50
  S8: there and it just pops out. I think this is
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  S8: part of the plan of the the enemy he keeps.
• 41:56
  S8: He always hates the Jewish people. Uh, Psalm 83 says,
• 42:00
  S8: those who hate the God of Israel will hate the
• 42:02
  S8: people of Israel and try and destroy them. But what
• 42:04
  S8: he does is it's always there. And then when, uh,
• 42:07
  S8: because he doesn't know when the end of days will hit. Yeah.
• 42:10
  S8: But when he does see things happening, he's got a
• 42:13
  S8: person that he's going to empower to be that future
• 42:16
  S8: false messiah. And he's got the hatred out there that
• 42:19
  S8: he's ready to take advantage of, uh, and, and, and promote.
• 42:25
  S8: And it's always there. And so that's, that's what, and
• 42:29
  S8: it just comes in waves, you know, uh, constantly. It's
• 42:33
  S8: always there. I just didn't think it would happen in
• 42:35
  S8: my lifetime because it was so close to the Holocaust.
• 42:39
  S8: But listen, most people don't, you know, this, uh, most
• 42:42
  S8: young people today doubt whether the Holocaust happened.
• 42:44
  S6: Yeah. There's it's Holocaust denial. Um, how do you pray
• 42:49
  S6: in light of this? Because this is this is a
• 42:51
  S6: spiritual war. At the end of the day, if you
• 42:54
  S6: can't see demons behind this hatred of Israel, you're blind.
• 42:58
  S8: Yeah, I say that, uh, I pray for truth to
• 43:02
  S8: be revealed. One thing, uh, like a lot of the
• 43:05
  S8: things that are being said about Jewish people in Israel,
• 43:07
  S8: I just pray that the truth will come out and
• 43:09
  S8: that I pray for believers to know the truth instead
• 43:12
  S8: of believing the lies. Which is sad to me that
• 43:15
  S8: I see believers now imbibing in this this hatred. I
• 43:20
  S8: pray for that. I pray for the truth to be revealed.
• 43:22
  S8: I pray for God's protection and preservation of the Jewish people. Uh,
• 43:25
  S8: it's something that's promised in Scripture, so I claim it
• 43:28
  S8: as a promise. And, uh, here's something I would like.
• 43:32
  S8: I have to get the nerve up to talk to my,
• 43:34
  S8: the leadership at my congregation. But I think we need
• 43:38
  S8: to talk to our leaders to pray for the Jewish
• 43:40
  S8: people and pray for Israel. I do, uh, the Bible says,
• 43:44
  S8: pray for the peace of Jerusalem. And one of the
• 43:47
  S8: things I've noticed that my congregation is that that's something
• 43:49
  S8: we never do. We never pray for the Jewish people,
• 43:51
  S8: no matter what's going on. And, uh, I, I would
• 43:55
  S8: like to see more congregations praying. Yeah. Uh, with God's heart.
• 43:59
  S6: Michael, I love you. You're a good man.
• 44:02
  S8: Appreciate you so much. Thank you for having me.
• 44:04
  S6: Yeah. Great to have you here. Now, listen, uh, Michael
• 44:08
  S6: has a new book out, and it is tremendous. And
• 44:11
  S6: it sold so quickly, so briskly, that they had to
• 44:14
  S6: do a reprint, and he threw in an afterword. It's
• 44:17
  S6: how should Christians think about Israel? And I want you
• 44:20
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• 44:23
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• 44:25
  S6: everything about open line and where to listen to it.
• 44:29
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  S6: to 800 555, 7898 one word Israel to 805 555 7898.
• 44:43
  S1: He was running from God, but God's love brought him home.
• 44:47
  S1: Carl is in the crew. It's Carl and crew on
• 44:51
  S1: Moody Radio.
• 44:54
  S6: This week we are tackling the topic of end times.
• 44:57
  S6: We're going to have some experts in here, but we're
• 45:00
  S6: going to layer over a topic right now. That is,
• 45:04
  S6: it's going to help us guys. And I just want
• 45:07
  S6: to give you a proposed thought. Have you ever thought
• 45:11
  S6: about the Mark of the beast? Now, as a kid
• 45:13
  S6: growing up, I thought about this all the time. Most
• 45:16
  S6: kids do. It's like, ah, how in the world? First off,
• 45:20
  S6: you can't accidentally stumble into taking the mark of the beast.
• 45:23
  S6: It'll be a willful, intentional saluting of the Antichrist. All right,
• 45:29
  S6: but the question I always had is who's going to know?
• 45:32
  S6: How is this going to work? Well, with the advent
• 45:35
  S6: of AI, everything's changed. Doctor Todd Corp is my guest
• 45:39
  S6: right now. Missiologist in residence at one Hope and director
• 45:42
  S6: of the Digital Mission Consortium at Wheaton College, Billy Graham Center. Todd,
• 45:47
  S6: thank you for being with me this morning, my man.
• 45:49
  S6: Answer this question. Is the advent of AI not to
• 45:55
  S6: freak anyone out, but does it add a layer of
• 45:58
  S6: technological skill that makes some of the end times prophecies
• 46:02
  S6: more fulfilling? If that is a word, what do you think, Todd?
• 46:06
  S9: I don't think that artificial intelligence has a particular bearing
• 46:10
  S9: on amplifying or having greater ability to fulfill end time prophecy.
• 46:15
  S9: What I believe it does do, however, is it has
• 46:18
  S9: the capacity to yield tremendous damage to people or in
• 46:23
  S9: the right hands, in the hands of believers. Also a
• 46:25
  S9: lot of opportunity for tremendous good to fulfill our obligation
• 46:29
  S9: and our commission to reach the world with the gospel
• 46:33
  S9: before Jesus returns.
• 46:34
  S6: You know, it's interesting, you look back at the printing press.
• 46:37
  S6: We're not old enough to remember the days when those
• 46:39
  S6: were debated, thankfully, but it was debated heavily. Boy, how
• 46:43
  S6: could something like this possibly be used of God? And
• 46:46
  S6: then a guy named Spurgeon started printing manuscripts of his messages,
• 46:50
  S6: and they were sent out by the pallet loads around
• 46:52
  S6: the world. It's amazing how sometimes Christians can be late
• 46:56
  S6: adopters of these things, not realizing that God can use
• 47:00
  S6: it for his glory. What's your take on that one, Todd?
• 47:04
  S9: Yeah, I think a lot of times the church gets
• 47:06
  S9: a bad rep for being behind the times. But when
• 47:08
  S9: we look at when it comes to innovating for the
• 47:11
  S9: sake of spreading the gospel, evangelizing cross-cultural missions, the church
• 47:15
  S9: throughout its history has actually been at the forefront of
• 47:18
  S9: tech adoption from Paul using the Roman roadway system, which
• 47:21
  S9: we don't really think of a lot as technology. But
• 47:23
  S9: in his day, it was advanced technology to share letters
• 47:26
  S9: around the Roman world to the invention of the codex,
• 47:29
  S9: or what we call the book now printing, press, radio
• 47:32
  S9: and so forth. We have this legacy, actually, that we've
• 47:36
  S9: that has been passed down through the generations of being
• 47:39
  S9: at the forefront of tech adoption. And I believe that
• 47:42
  S9: we have that same opportunity here. And some of that's
• 47:45
  S9: already being realized, like in the area of Bible translation.
• 47:48
  S9: AI is rapidly accelerating the task of translating Scripture into
• 47:53
  S9: the heart language of every person remaining on the earth
• 47:56
  S9: that currently doesn't have that privilege. And so there are
• 48:00
  S9: tremendous opportunities that we have before us in this technology,
• 48:04
  S9: but it's up to us as individual believers, local church leaders,
• 48:08
  S9: and so forth to really look at that opportunity and
• 48:10
  S9: position our usage toward that end, rather than just making
• 48:14
  S9: our lives more productive and easier.
• 48:16
  S6: How do we tap into that? I know we're going
• 48:18
  S6: to give resources to all of our listeners today that
• 48:21
  S6: are going to link you boom crew, not only to
• 48:24
  S6: his website, but also a phenomenal blog that talks about
• 48:28
  S6: dealing with the machine. We're going to get into that
• 48:31
  S6: a little bit, but we've got some untapped potential. How
• 48:35
  S6: is it? I love the fact, and I've heard this,
• 48:37
  S6: the amount of Bible translation that used to be done
• 48:41
  S6: the old fashioned way, it sped things up a lot.
• 48:43
  S6: But how can the average person use AI to extend
• 48:47
  S6: the mission of the gospel?
• 48:50
  S9: Yeah, one of the best ways to begin using AI
• 48:54
  S9: in that way is to make a mental shift from
• 48:58
  S9: using AI for productivity to using AI for fruitfulness. And
• 49:02
  S9: what that means is something like, if we're using AI
• 49:05
  S9: for productivity, then it's just about getting things done faster.
• 49:07
  S9: We fill that extra margin that it gives us with
• 49:10
  S9: more stuff to do. And like every other tech before it,
• 49:13
  S9: it just makes our lives faster and more busy and distracted.
• 49:17
  S9: But instead, if we can use it in such a
• 49:19
  S9: way that gives margin in our time, and we use
• 49:22
  S9: that margin to actually invest in the lives of the
• 49:25
  S9: people around us, into our communities, into building relationships with
• 49:28
  S9: our neighbors. I believe that we actually have a lot
• 49:31
  S9: of opportunity to redeem its usage for good purposes. And
• 49:35
  S9: some of that comes down to within our lives, just
• 49:39
  S9: automating some of the boring bits. So instead of using
• 49:41
  S9: it to, you know, outsource our thinking and our creativity,
• 49:45
  S9: using it to automate some of the things that normally
• 49:47
  S9: take us away from people because we're having to do them.
• 49:51
  S9: Anything from compiling a slide deck to trying to meal
• 49:54
  S9: plan for our family. AI can accelerate that. But if
• 49:57
  S9: it's going to meal plan for our family, that gives
• 49:59
  S9: me time to spend with my kids. Not simply to
• 50:01
  S9: be distracted on social media doing something.
• 50:03
  S3: Else.
• 50:03
  S6: That's good. So what you're saying is the bigger yes
• 50:07
  S6: with AI is to be more effective and expedient with
• 50:11
  S6: our time so that we can be in relationships. Is
• 50:14
  S6: there a relationship component to AI that has been unexplored
• 50:18
  S6: by the vast numbers of people at this point? Or
• 50:21
  S6: is that totally an isolated me with me and machine
• 50:25
  S6: kind of an experience?
• 50:27
  S9: One of the areas that is beginning to be talked
• 50:29
  S9: about That I think is a real concern for Christians
• 50:32
  S9: is in the area of people using AI for relationship itself,
• 50:36
  S9: using using it as a friend. There are different apps
• 50:40
  S9: that you can download to use it as like a companion,
• 50:43
  S9: even a romantic companion. A lot of people use, and
• 50:46
  S9: that is, I believe, further deepening some of our inability
• 50:51
  S9: to relate to others. Well. You know, when you have
• 50:53
  S9: a quote unquote friend that agrees with everything you do, thinks,
• 50:57
  S9: you know, tells you the best person ever and, you know, never,
• 51:00
  S9: there's never any friction that devalues the friction that actually
• 51:05
  S9: is necessary for real relationships to flourish and grow and
• 51:08
  S9: be strong. So I think there's a real concern there.
• 51:11
  S9: That is something that parents should be concerned in talking
• 51:13
  S9: to their kids about youth pastors, pastors. It should be
• 51:16
  S9: a discipleship conversation that we're actually having in our local
• 51:19
  S9: churches of how do we redeem this dynamic of relationship
• 51:22
  S9: in an age where frictionless relationships are just a phone
• 51:26
  S9: pickup away?
• 51:27
  S6: So quick thought on that one because grock, I mean,
• 51:29
  S6: they're going heavy promoting this friendship partnership, even sexual partners.
• 51:35
  S6: Are there any AI platforms that are free of that?
• 51:38
  S9: To some extent, I think that you can, you know,
• 51:40
  S9: a person can use an AI platform for just about anything.
• 51:44
  S9: Some have a lot greater degrees of control and inability
• 51:49
  S9: to manipulate it in that way. Claude is a lot
• 51:52
  S9: clunkier in terms of trying to create a friend than
• 51:55
  S9: necessarily Grock would be. Um, there are also some that
• 51:58
  S9: are some applications that are using AI for things like
• 52:01
  S9: basic cognitive behavioral therapy for people when they're having bouts
• 52:05
  S9: of anxiety or depression in times of when their actual
• 52:07
  S9: therapists can't be available. Those are some use cases that
• 52:11
  S9: I think have some benefit to them. Um, but yeah,
• 52:13
  S9: I think that there are opportunities, probably the one that's
• 52:16
  S9: the cleanest from being used as a relationship bot in
• 52:19
  S9: my opinion, is probably Gemini by Google.
• 52:21
  S6: Okay, excellent. Good feedback. Okay. Coming up here in a moment.
• 52:25
  S6: You wrote a blog a bit ago, not too long ago,
• 52:28
  S6: but things quickly move in AI, and it actually has
• 52:31
  S6: an embedded link to a new book of yours that
• 52:33
  S6: I'm super intrigued by. AI goes to Church Pastoral Wisdom
• 52:37
  S6: for Artificial Intelligence. But you're talking about let the machine
• 52:41
  S6: kill our machine. Why we should welcome AI's disruption of
• 52:46
  S6: the church content era. More with our special guest, Todd Korpi.
• 52:50
  S6: Straight ahead.
• 52:52
  S1: Start your day moving closer to Jesus. You're listening to
• 52:56
  S1: Carl and crew.
• 52:59
  S6: Doctor Todd Korpi is with me right now. A little
• 53:01
  S6: background on him. He is Missiologist in residence at one
• 53:05
  S6: Hope and director of the Digital Mission Consortium at Wheaton College,
• 53:10
  S6: Billy Graham Center, right here in Chicagoland. All right, doctor,
• 53:15
  S6: let's get after it. What in the world do you mean?
• 53:17
  S6: Let the machine kill our machine? What do you say?
• 53:21
  S9: Yeah. When I refer to the first use the machine.
• 53:23
  S9: I'm referring to AI, obviously. But the second use of machine,
• 53:27
  S9: I'm referring to kind of the. Programmatic approach to church
• 53:30
  S9: that has become so popular in the last 30 years
• 53:33
  S9: or so. Where we have this enormous amount of time, money,
• 53:37
  S9: energy invested into the production value of. Our services and
• 53:43
  S9: our worship. And I'm not saying that there isn't an
• 53:45
  S9: element where. Excellence in worship can be a form of
• 53:49
  S9: worship unto God that dates back centuries, but we can.
• 53:51
  S9: Become so obsessed with the production value, the experience that
• 53:56
  S9: it actually begins to cater more towards us as people
• 54:01
  S9: than it does the focus of of the risen Christ,
• 54:04
  S9: which is the whole point of us gathering together.
• 54:07
  S6: Yeah. Let me drill down on that a little bit more.
• 54:09
  S6: So what elements of overproduced weekend service do you see
• 54:14
  S6: as distraction from the glory of God and staying on
• 54:17
  S6: point with our message?
• 54:18
  S9: I think some of it is the opportunity, actually not
• 54:21
  S9: even on Sunday, but for the ability for AI to
• 54:24
  S9: accelerate and to lower the cost of the production of
• 54:29
  S9: Sunday morning services, something as simple as the time invested
• 54:32
  S9: to create a slide deck, you know, could take someone
• 54:35
  S9: an hour or two hours to do for Sunday morning service.
• 54:38
  S9: It can be done in a matter of seconds with
• 54:40
  S9: a host of different AI apps. The ability to generate
• 54:44
  S9: images and video, to edit and to translate content from
• 54:47
  S9: one language into another. These things are increasingly cheaper because
• 54:52
  S9: of AI, faster because of AI, and it frees up
• 54:56
  S9: church staffs. It frees up pastors and administrators to be
• 55:00
  S9: able to actually pastor people, to be with people. And
• 55:03
  S9: I think in that regard, AI can actually take us
• 55:06
  S9: away from some of the things in church, in business,
• 55:09
  S9: if you will. I hate that term, but of doing
• 55:11
  S9: church that actually pull us further away from people.
• 55:14
  S6: So I'm thinking of ethnic groups just here in Chicagoland,
• 55:17
  S6: big Polish community, huge, um, Asian communities of all countries.
• 55:23
  S6: You're saying that we could even use AI in ways
• 55:26
  S6: that we haven't translated content into the heart language of
• 55:31
  S6: people that live around us? Is that one way we
• 55:35
  S6: could utilize it?
• 55:36
  S9: 100%. There are a host of different tools. There's a
• 55:41
  S9: one called lilt. There's a your big large language models
• 55:45
  S9: like ChatGPT provide translation options. But there are some that
• 55:49
  S9: you can actually download that will translate video and change
• 55:52
  S9: the embouchure of the speaker's mouth to mimic the language
• 55:55
  S9: that's being translated into. It's it's crazy, but with a
• 56:00
  S9: high degree of accuracy. I think it's always good to
• 56:02
  S9: cite that it's being translated with AI. But I know
• 56:05
  S9: of churches in other parts of the country that are
• 56:07
  S9: doing real time translation for video venue campuses into other
• 56:12
  S9: languages to try to reach people groups, that those language
• 56:15
  S9: barriers would be prohibitive. And so there's, yeah, there's a
• 56:18
  S9: lot of opportunity just in the area of translation alone.
• 56:21
  S6: Fascinating. Okay. Uh, what's your proposal? What's the best and
• 56:26
  S6: finest use of AI right now in the church? What
• 56:28
  S6: are we what else are we missing that we need
• 56:31
  S6: to know?
• 56:31
  S9: I think one of the biggest, uh, areas where AI
• 56:34
  S9: stands as an opportunity in our churches is actually to
• 56:38
  S9: begin a process of proactive conversations. I think that when
• 56:42
  S9: social media kind of hit the, the main stage and
• 56:46
  S9: we didn't really stop to ask what that did for
• 56:48
  S9: our understanding of friendship and relationship and all of this.
• 56:51
  S9: And now we're kind of having to play catch up,
• 56:53
  S9: recognizing there's a lot of, uh, implications for how it
• 56:56
  S9: affects the next generation. I think now we have this
• 57:00
  S9: opportunity to actually come together on a particular pressing subject
• 57:04
  S9: as local churches and really wrestle with that together. And
• 57:07
  S9: I think that's one of the greatest things that we
• 57:08
  S9: can begin to do beyond even just the particular use
• 57:11
  S9: cases of dream together, wrestle together, talk together about what
• 57:16
  S9: this means for our our lives for our children and
• 57:20
  S9: for our youth, and what the opportunities may be right
• 57:23
  S9: for our particular church or our particular family, our particular
• 57:26
  S9: group of people. To reach people more effectively with the gospel.
• 57:30
  S6: Love it. Good stuff. And you really got me cogitating
• 57:33
  S6: on a few things, especially language transfers. So tremendous. Listen,
• 57:38
  S6: boom crew, I've got a key word for you. Text machine.
• 57:41
  S6: That one word machine it's going to take you to
• 57:44
  S6: a blog. Embedded in the blog is his new book,
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  S6: AI Goes to Church Pastoral Wisdom for Artificial Intelligence. I've
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  S6: 555 7898. One word machine to 800 555 7898. And
• 58:09
  S6: I want to thank you, Doctor Todd Korpi. This has
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  S6: been a blessing, man. Good to meet you and we
• 58:15
  S6: look forward to having you back again my friend.