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5 Bands with the Craziest Lore · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: How many times.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't told you what are you gone back there?
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  Speaker 1: How many times that showed you it's quite in vain.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're gonna do a special episode. We are going
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  Speaker 1: to do something a little different than like our Fantasy
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  Speaker 1: Draft episodes and.
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  Speaker 3: Our like ranking episodes.
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  Speaker 1: Colin and I we were thinking about, you know, what
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  Speaker 1: other type of episodes can we do this year? And
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of My Favorite Murder. I like occasionally
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm like one of those people that
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  Speaker 1: listen to every episode, but you ever know that I
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  Speaker 1: listened to a little my Favorite Murder. And one of
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  Speaker 1: the things I've always liked about My Favorite Murder is
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  Speaker 1: they can talk about pretty much any random murder crime
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  Speaker 1: thing to ever happen, and it can be super engaging,
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  Speaker 1: Like even if it seems like the most mundane murder
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  Speaker 1: you've ever heard, they can make it sound so much
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  Speaker 1: fun and entertaining. Well maybe not fun, but like you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe some people have been inspired by to murder people
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  Speaker 1: because of that show. But anyway, it is entertaining and
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  Speaker 1: it is informative, and I think they do a good
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  Speaker 1: job of it. And so I, Coulin and I were thinking,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, well, it's a version of that that
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  Speaker 1: we could do. And so we were like, well, let's
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  Speaker 1: share stories or share about different bands, and we can
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  Speaker 1: just kind of pick a theme that works. And so
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  Speaker 1: we're like, let's invite some friends to do that. So
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  Speaker 1: this particular episode, we're going to do bands with the
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  Speaker 1: craziest lore, So not necessarily Christian bands or anything, just bands.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the more obscure the better.
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  Speaker 1: The bands that just have crazy lore, so stories about
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  Speaker 1: them that might be might be true or might not
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  Speaker 1: be true, but they're about the band or something the
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  Speaker 1: social ad with the band, you know. So for example,
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  Speaker 1: something like you know, Ozzy Osbourne when he was in
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  Speaker 1: Black Sabbath, you know, biting the head off of a
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  Speaker 1: bat and then like eating it or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Right, actually something like that that time. But yeah, no
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  Speaker 4: he wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah that was a solo career.
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  Speaker 1: Oh really, Okay, I'm just joking, you're right, yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the kind of story we're talking about. So bands
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  Speaker 1: that have lots of stories maybe you know.
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  Speaker 3: They're crazy like that.
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  Speaker 1: So we invited a few friends of ours. So we've
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  Speaker 1: got Jeremy from the Rumors Are True Podcasts one of
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  Speaker 1: the better podcasts out there. We've got Daniel Terry who
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  Speaker 1: does incredible YouTube music stuff. Uh, and then Kylon from
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  Speaker 1: Church Jams. Now, so uh, each one of you guys
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  Speaker 1: want to just, you know, say hi so people recognize
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  Speaker 1: your voice. Nope, I'm good.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everyone, this is Kylon. Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited. You're very well.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Dan, Thanks for having me on. I'm honored. Guys.
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  Speaker 5: This is Jeremy. Thank you guys. Good to be back,
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  Speaker 5: good to hang out. Nice to meet you, Klin.
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't met you yet, so I know same.
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  Speaker 1: So I heard you talking ship on your podcast about
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  Speaker 1: me just kidding. Yeah, that's what we do.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we do.
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  Speaker 1: James Duke action Huh.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully we can be the conflict. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: We're here to c No. He had nothing but good
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  Speaker 3: things to say.
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  Speaker 1: I kid, I could.
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  Speaker 3: Conflicts are good, conflicts are good for views, man. That's true.
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  Speaker 3: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Most watched episode ever was and probably most listened to
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  Speaker 1: episode ever, was me talking I will call it and
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  Speaker 1: I talking to uh what's his name? From John from
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  Speaker 1: Cooper Nice. It was just it was just conflict for
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  Speaker 1: most of it. So and it like it felt like
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  Speaker 1: like actually decent conflict. Like we were like, yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: was fine, you guys were it was healthy conflict. It
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  Speaker 1: felt very professional, productive, productive. He was very different than what,
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  Speaker 1: you know, some of the things he has has said
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  Speaker 1: on stage.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think Skill it's going to be one of the
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  Speaker 1: bands with the craziest lore. Although you know, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think maybe they're up there. I will say, what's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: You all of us grew up in the Christian music scene.
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  Speaker 1: None of us picked me without you. That's maybe worth
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  Speaker 1: mentioning at the top. That's so funny. I didn't pick
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  Speaker 1: them because I thought you were going to pick them.
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  Speaker 1: You can take them now, dude.
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  Speaker 4: I think we also were trying to avoid bands and
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  Speaker 4: artists that have already their stories have already been shared
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  Speaker 4: a whole bunch, Yeah, because otherwise we would have said Fleetwood,
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  Speaker 4: Mac Ozzy Osbourne, you know, meet without you, Michael Tate,
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  Speaker 4: Michael Tate, his story is not yet over as far
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  Speaker 4: as we know. So yeah, So like we're trying to
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  Speaker 4: pick things that are maybe a little bit more out
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  Speaker 4: of left field, but are still extremely interesting totally.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So which there are no shortage of bands that have that.
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  Speaker 3: So that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's just get into it. Is there anybody who
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  Speaker 1: wants to go first?
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  Speaker 4: Kylon's chopping at the bit I can tell.
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  Speaker 1: I can be his app is not focused, which means
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  Speaker 1: that his APP is he's definitely looking up something. I'm looking.
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking, I'm pulling up I'm pulling up my notes.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys want me to go for that?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 4: What's want you go first? All right?
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  Speaker 3: Cool? The first? I'll be first?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So I yeah, so I was initially I was actually
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking me without you. I was thinking DC talk,
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  Speaker 2: and then I remembered having a conversation a few years
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  Speaker 2: ago and doing as much of a deep dive as
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  Speaker 2: I could on the.
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  Speaker 1: All Saved freak band. Do you guys know who the
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  Speaker 1: All Saved?
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  Speaker 3: I've never heard of them, never heard of them ever?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So they in a lot of ways are
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  Speaker 2: like they're right there with like Larry Norman.
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  Speaker 1: They're like like.
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  Speaker 2: They first they started in like nineteen sixty eight. They
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  Speaker 2: were only around for about ten years, but they were
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  Speaker 2: sort of pioneers in the CCM, like Christian rock uh movement.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: They only came out with a couple albums, but I
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  Speaker 2: remember finding them because I thought it was very funny.
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  Speaker 2: Their second album is called for Christians, Elves and Lovers.
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  Speaker 1: That's kind of incredible, which is just it's just a
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  Speaker 1: great start, right Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And it mix it sounds like a Tolkien book.
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  Speaker 1: That's the That's what I was gonna say.
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  Speaker 2: There's actually a copy of it in like a Tolkien
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  Speaker 2: museum because it mixes like, uh, theological like him type
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  Speaker 2: stuff with.
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  Speaker 1: Oh damn, this is like right up Collins. Also, I
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  Speaker 1: love the fact that like Christians and lovers are two
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  Speaker 1: different categories, as if they can't be the same with
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  Speaker 1: elves right in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, diagram of Christians and lovers and trinity elves.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the trinity of fantastical and unreliable things.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but here's the deal about All Saved Freak band. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they were a cult.
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  Speaker 2: They were straight up a cult, guys. So yeah, it
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  Speaker 2: started out there's this guy Larry Hill that he gathered
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of people in like a Christian commune in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Uh And honestly, for everything I've I've figured out he
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  Speaker 2: really didn't have that much to do with the band.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's He's.
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  Speaker 2: Credited on all the albums as keys and arrangement, but
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  Speaker 2: he didn't sing, he didn't really play guitar, and it's
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  Speaker 2: like a rock band mostly. But they ended up they
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  Speaker 2: had like twelve members.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting that the cult you said he's like kind
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  Speaker 1: of the cult leader, right, Yeah, that's interesting. Like to me,
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  Speaker 1: a cult leader would for sure like have lead singer syndrome.
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  Speaker 1: So the fact that he's like just playing in the
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  Speaker 1: background his keys seems like the opposite of lead singers
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  Speaker 1: is interesting.
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  Speaker 2: No, for sure, maybe the band I think that.
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  Speaker 3: I think that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm guessing.
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  Speaker 4: So so did they have like did they have like
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  Speaker 4: similar commercial successes like someone like Bible Norman?
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  Speaker 2: So, so the thing is, yeah, no, they they were
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  Speaker 2: fully independent. They were like essentially the first like Christian
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  Speaker 2: indie act, Like they paid for everything themselves. They toured,
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  Speaker 2: they played like uh they did they played it, Uh
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  Speaker 2: the Olympics what what.
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  Speaker 3: In the seventies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They had like some weird like randomly like weird stuff
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  Speaker 2: like like yeah, right, Phil Cage played with h briefly. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but okay, so just some highlights of some of the
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  Speaker 2: some of the crazy things they're.
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  Speaker 1: Uh lead guitarist Glenn Schwartz.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's actually really if you guys listen to their music,
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  Speaker 2: he's the best in the band by far.
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  Speaker 1: He was one of the uh.
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  Speaker 3: Kent twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: He was one of the protesters at Kent State that
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  Speaker 2: like actually got yeah, so he's part of that. Two
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  Speaker 2: of their members died before their first album came out.
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  Speaker 2: But okay, from it's just like car accidents, two separate
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  Speaker 2: car accidents were different people fell asleep.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh no, those sound were like car accidents.
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  Speaker 3: It happening once. It's a tragedy.
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  Speaker 2: It's like yeah, yeah, yeah, But okay, here's the craziest thing.
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  Speaker 2: The co founder and guitarist Joe Marco, He's I think
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  Speaker 2: he was most of the creative force behind the band.
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  Speaker 1: But he had a day job. So so everyone on
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  Speaker 1: this commune, they either were like work to the farm.
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  Speaker 2: Or hitchhiked into town to work like odd jobs and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So he was working at a factory and he was working.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what he was doing, but he
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  Speaker 2: got into an accident and he had it was twenty
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  Speaker 2: seven thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Volts of electricity what spread through his body.
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  Speaker 2: Burned fifty percent of his body, essentially burned his hands
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  Speaker 2: to where he couldn't use them anymore. Apparently, according to
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  Speaker 2: a newspaper article I saw too, there was it burned
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  Speaker 2: a hole through his heart or through his chest where
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  Speaker 2: you could see his heart. What yeah, yeah, yeah, like
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  Speaker 2: the like there was literally just a hole in his chest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could see his heart beating.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeow A gotchable alleged like this is according to
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  Speaker 3: him or it was great.
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  Speaker 2: So he he actually he was in the hospital when
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  Speaker 2: their second album was released, and so but he still
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  Speaker 2: he ended up writing all the music for the next
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  Speaker 2: two albums or for the next album.
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  Speaker 1: But I just thought that was crazy that it's.
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  Speaker 5: Like, what's what did they sound like? I know, you said,
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  Speaker 5: Larry Norman, but is it?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, that's what's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean it's very like hippie late sixties, early seventies,
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  Speaker 2: hippie like for Christians, elves and lovers.
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  Speaker 1: Is like straight up just hippie music.
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  Speaker 3: So her next time music.
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  Speaker 4: Means a lot of things. So is it like Pete
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  Speaker 4: Seeger kind of Like.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's like it's like it very like baroque like
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  Speaker 2: maybe some harpsichords, some like weird esoteric instruments.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like psychedelic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would say it means.
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  Speaker 2: But there are other albums. The one after which I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about in just a second, is a.
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  Speaker 1: Lot more blues folk.
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  Speaker 2: It like, uh, incredible blues, like like the guitar work
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  Speaker 2: on it is insane.
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  Speaker 4: So they started to listen to Eric Clapton and stuff
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  Speaker 4: like that, is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing. I don't know if they were allowed to,
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  Speaker 1: but okay, but here's what's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Glenn Schwartz, lead guitarist. After their second album came out,
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  Speaker 2: Glenn Schwartz his family paid Ted Patrick. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you guys know who Ted Patrick is, but he
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  Speaker 2: was a fit. He was famous in the seventies and
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  Speaker 2: eighties as a cult deprogrammer. Like he he would go
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  Speaker 2: around the country like help. So they actually straight up
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  Speaker 2: just kidnapped Glenn Schwartz back to try to deprogram him
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  Speaker 2: from this cult and it didn't work and he went
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  Speaker 2: back to the cult. And their next album is called Brainwash.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, Okay, this is getting really mad.
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  Speaker 4: Can we kind of dig in here? What made them
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  Speaker 4: so culty? So just because they're like in a commune
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  Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily they're a cult.
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  Speaker 2: So like what no, okay, yeah, so that's what I
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  Speaker 2: tried to figure out because I couldn't fiure out much
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  Speaker 2: about it.
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  Speaker 1: But then I started reading. There's a couple of articles.
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  Speaker 2: There's an interview, there's an interview with Jill Marco in
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  Speaker 2: some like blog from like twelve years ago that spoke
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of this, and then there was a
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  Speaker 2: Guardian article. And so basically this guy Larry Hill, like
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  Speaker 2: right after that like first album, he started basically being
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  Speaker 2: like so like saying that there'd be a a communist
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  Speaker 2: basically China and Russia in Cuba where the Antichrist and
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  Speaker 2: he was one of the few prophets and then maybe
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  Speaker 2: he was God.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe he was right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, because it's twenty twenty six and it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of looking like that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know a couple other countries that are
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  Speaker 1: a little more anti Christ and then some of those
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well okay, so then the band essentially breaks up
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  Speaker 2: because this main guy his wife beat a child, an
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  Speaker 2: eleven year old child at the commune with a horsewmy
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  Speaker 2: and half the band or the rest of the band
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  Speaker 2: basically was like, oh, hey, that's too much, even though
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  Speaker 2: they apparently also were getting beaten with horse whips, but
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  Speaker 2: something about this, like child's trauma being beat like made
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  Speaker 2: them that was like their heart out.
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  Speaker 1: And then.
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  Speaker 2: Then he still had the rights to the music, and
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  Speaker 2: so the band basically they all kind of broke up.
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  Speaker 2: And then in two thousand and six they all got
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  Speaker 2: back together and sued him to get the rights to
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  Speaker 2: their music back, which is kind of cool, and they're
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  Speaker 2: all like friends again, except for this cool guy who's
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  Speaker 2: still like a lot really living in Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get him on the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, call him up. Yeah, Hi, So.
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  Speaker 4: He just he's just trying to blend in. That's what
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  Speaker 4: you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the whole.
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  Speaker 4: Don't take that one out of context.
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  Speaker 3: Yea clip that, Yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, So what started out for me as like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's very funny, there's an album called for Christians,
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  Speaker 2: Elves and Lovers ended up this absolutely like fascinating deep
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  Speaker 2: dive into like one of the pioneers of Christian rock
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  Speaker 2: music that I do think everyone should listen to.
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  Speaker 1: Brainwash, Like the music is really good.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, this is fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: H I've never even heard of it. Yeah, so that
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  Speaker 1: was my pick. How did you hear? How did you
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  Speaker 1: care about it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: How did my My wife's cousin's husband was telling me
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  Speaker 2: about the a couple of years ago because we talk
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  Speaker 2: about music, and he's like a pastor's kid, and I guess,
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  Speaker 2: like is is he was turned on to them because
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  Speaker 2: of his dad.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But I had never heard of it, and I
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  Speaker 1: like I. I mean, I have a I have.
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  Speaker 2: The fourth most popular Christian music podcast online, so I
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  Speaker 2: thought I was pretty well versed in Christian music and
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
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  Speaker 1: I just started falling in them on Spotify as I speak.
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  Speaker 4: Oh perfect, nice, it means your.
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 1: So, I think you're now part of that.
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  Speaker 4: Might be they're going to be sending you shipments of
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  Speaker 4: flavor aid here soon.
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  Speaker 3: Dude. It's all like stained glass window artwork.
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  Speaker 1: Well they that's the thing, so look up there. So
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  Speaker 1: they they just put all their stuff up. I think
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  Speaker 1: when they got the rights back. I think they just
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  Speaker 1: recently put.
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  Speaker 2: All their stuff up because all of their albums, say
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, the original.
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  Speaker 1: Artwork for all of these just just.
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  Speaker 2: What's on Spotify? Yeah, the original art works all way better.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy seems to be the way it goes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's intriguing.
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  Speaker 3: That's a killer, really going.
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go on a deep dive for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah you should.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone should, all freaking man check it out.
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  Speaker 4: Freak was always the word that they were using.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but to freaking kill the devils, freaks, freaking.
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  Speaker 1: Beat you with a horse. Whib's show me the whole, guys,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: show me the whole, Show me the whole.
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  Speaker 3: That's your first question. Just feel like, so how's the whole? Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: deserve still a hole in your heart?
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  Speaker 4: Can you finger it? I just want to. I just
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  Speaker 4: want to see.
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  Speaker 1: I would be the doubting Thomas for sure. Yeah all right,
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one.
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  Speaker 3: All right, who wants to go next? That's impossible to follow.
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  Speaker 4: I can go next if you guys are ready, let's
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: hear it, all right? So I am doing mine on
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: Fela Kuti anyone familiar?
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: And I looked it up when I heard who you
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: were doing because I had never heard of it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Okay, So Falakutie is on. Ironically he was. He actually
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: became like one of my most listened to artists, probably
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: about six years ago. I started getting into it. It's
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: it's kind of hard to get into because it's kind
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: of like this weird genre that as a white man
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: in America, I don't really feel like I should fit
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: into it, but I'm like obsessed with.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I was like me listening to lemonade.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: So.
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: Feyla Couti is a Nigerian man from Lagos. He was
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: born to very well off Nigerian parents. His father was
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Reverend Israel Ransom Cootie and his mother's name was fun
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Milayo Ransom Cootie. His father was like this devout Christian
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: and really wanted his son Fala to follow in the
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: footsteps of like Christian Christian culture, specifically in like Christian
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: activism within within or not activism but evangelism within Africa.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: But his mother was an extremely uh devout activist and
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: political activist specifically around the ideas of like Pan Africanism
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: and things like that, so like trying to like expel
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: the the colonizers and to like retake Black culture within
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: the various tribes and nations of Africa. So Falia gets
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: older and everything like that, and he decides according to
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: his father's wishes to become a medical doctor. So his
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: dad sends him off to England, and in England he
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: he goes to school for a little while and things
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: are going fine. He's getting good grades and everything like that,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: but he's really getting into like the London night life
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: and things like that and falls in love with jazz
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: music and everything, and he plays some music in the past.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: But he decides to drop out of med school secretly
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: against his father's wishes, and decides to go to Trinity
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: College of Music, which is.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: A very very.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Interesting college if you look up the history of that
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: whole thing, especially with like the piano tea. There was
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: a piano teacher that was there at the time who
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: was like super against like like the common understanding of
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: like Western music for African men in particular that she
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: was teaching. But anyways, he takes up the trumpet and
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: saxophone and piano and he becomes like this like really
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: really adept multi instrumentalist. Okay, so it's the nineteenth nineteen
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: fifties this time, so he starts his own band called
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: Kula Libidos, and they're playing something called high life jazz,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: which is kind of like some like African beats some
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: like rudimentary African beats with kind of like bink band
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: kind of sound, so it's a little bit jazzy, but
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: like it's pretty simplistic kind of stuff in comparison to
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: what he'll play later. He then decides he's going to
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: renounce what he considers to be his quote unquote slave name.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: And so that name of his was Ransom, so it
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: was actually like a colonial name that was given to
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: his father, which was then passed down to him, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: so he changes it all together and he calls himself Antiiculaupo,
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: which means he who carries death in his pouch, which
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: is pretty badass, and it's basically a symbolic rejection of
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: his colonial identity. So let's move into like where it
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: starts getting like super super interesting. Here in nineteen sixty nine,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: with his band Kula Libidos, he decides to do a
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: US tour and they go to La in particular, and
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: they're there for about ten months. While he's there, he
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: meets a lady by the name of Sandra Isidoor who
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: is a black panther actorist, and she starts basically integrating
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: the idea of basically like taking back like your your
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: black culture and your black heritage and everything like that.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: So she introduces it introduces him to Malcolm X and
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the philosophy of black nationalism and all this stuff, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: it kind of like radicalizes him. And not to mention,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: he's in la in nineteen sixty nine, the middle of
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: like the most important like political change in American history, right,
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: And this this gal Sandra Isidor challenges fail because Fiale
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: has been like playing like music for like the clubs
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: and talking about mundane stuff like soup. And so one
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: day she asks Falah, why are you singing about soup
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: when your people are oppressed? Because what's going on in
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Nigeria at the time is there's this giant civil war
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: that's going on and this military junta has taken over
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: and now it's being run by a military dictator.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: But also why not both.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, that's absolutely true.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: That's what system we've down decided to do.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, pizza, pizza pie, yeah, all that good stuff.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: So he gets back to he gets back to Nigeria
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: because he actually got deported because they didn't have they
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: didn't have a work visa long enough for the ten
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: months stay that he was there. And they come back
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: to a completely war ravaged nation, and in this time,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: through his like multiple like interbreedings and cross breedings of
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: all these different genres of music, he creates something called afrobeat. Afrobeat,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: if you're familiar, is is like this like huge, huge,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: huge genre today still and it kind of mixes like
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: if you can think like jazz, funk and soul mixed
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: with like these Africa like these complex African syncopations and
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: polyrhythms and things like that, so it makes it it
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: sounds like it's gonna be like super super complicated and
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: everything like that, and really the music is pretty complicated,
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: but it's super super accessible. And during this during in
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy, Bootsy Collins he's like pretty much like the
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: greatest funk player of all time or the most notable
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: at least. Bootsy Collins saw Fala in his group playing
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: and he said they are the funkiest group that have
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: ever existed and ever will exist. So that's like God
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: saying you're better than me. It's pretty impressive.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: So he gets back to Africa and he completely changes
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: the entire the entire scenery of music and Africa and
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: He does it through his through his through his music obviously,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: but he does it not just with the music, but
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: it's like this giant political message. And essentially what he
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: does is he creates something called the Kalakuto Republic. So
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: he buys this, He buys this apartment complex in Lagos,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: which is the largest city in Nigeria, and walls it off.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: He essentially creates a cult.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: And we have two cults already in this episode.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: He has sixty people living in this cult or sorry,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: in this commune. I should say, it's not. I mean,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: it's kind of like a pseudo cult because like they're
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: free to go and come whatever they want. And he's
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: not like saying like you absolutely have to do exactly
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: what I say. But there's definitely like a los.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: No.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: But it's worse than a car wreck. And I'll explain
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: that here. So in nineteen seventy seven, he at least
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: is this album called Zombie. Now, as you could probably imagine,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: if you're a Pan Africanist and you are against this
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: like military junta that has taken over your country, you're
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: probably going to be pretty pissed off about it. So
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: he's he creates this album called zombie and his albums
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: are interesting because they're like two to four songs max,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: and it takes up two full sides of a vinyl
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: rap round like they're like long drawn out songs. And
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: basically what this song is all about, is this album
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: is all about, is basically calling out these these soldiers
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: that that are controlled by the military dictator calls them
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: out as zombies, like you only do what you are
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: told and that's all that matters to you, and you're
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: not fighting for anything that's good and just or anything
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: like that. But you're fighting for for a dictator and
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: that's not cool. You're oppressing us. And the military doesn't
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: like this. The military leader, I forget his name, General Obasanjo,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I believe it is his name. He really really does
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: not like this, and so he sends one thousand soldiers
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: to the commune. They bust down the or, they bust
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: down the gate. They blow up this so he had
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: like an electric fence kind of at the top with
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: barbed wire. They blow up the generator. The generator then
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: blows up the house. The house is on fire and
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the soldiers are pulling sixty of the of the members
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: of this commune out beating them, keeping them, and and
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Fela and his brother in particular are beat within an
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: inch of their life. They're hospitalized and everything like that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: And to add the worst part of this, they take
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Fela's mother, they take her to the top floor and
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: they throw her off the top of the Jesus. She
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: is in a coma for eight weeks.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: She didn't die immediately.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: She didn't die immediately. Wait, yeah, pretty insaneane. So she's
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: in a coma for eight straight weeks. And Fla finally
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: gets out of the hospital himself and he goes to
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: meet his mother and within a couple of days, his
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: mother passes. Now Fela is not stopped by this. So
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: he's been like just like speaking out against the government,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: speaking out against colonizers, speaking out against everything that's unjust
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: in Africa. And he gets super pissed. So he writes
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: a song called Coffin for the Head of State in response,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: and it is brutal, absolutely brutal if you listen to
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: if you look at the lyrics, I mean, it's just
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: it's absolutely insane. But what he does is he takes
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: his mother's coffin with his mother in it, and him
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: and his band members there's about there's anywhere between eight
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: and twenty band members. They carry her coffin through the
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: streets two general obasan Joe's palace or compound or what
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: are you want to call it, and they place her
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: coffin at the front gate and they put on a concert.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: And the whole concert is basically like, look at what
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: you've done, What did you gain from this? I only
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: now have more people that are listening to my message.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: You killed my mother. This has been like a completely
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: revolutionary moment in his life and everything like that. And
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: the people rally with Fela and they start it creates
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: like more tension and more violence within Nigeria, but now
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: it's the people like rising against the military junta that's there.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: So he keeps doing his thing. During this time, he
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: had created his own his own music venue. He called
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: it the African Shrine. And while at this music venue,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: he would basically like go up on stage and his
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: concerts or his shows were like four to six hours,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: like you would be there like most of the day,
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: and in between his his tunes, he would he would
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: have these like political messages and stuff like that, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: his songs were political messages as themselves as well. But
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: he would have these political messages that were all about
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: like fighting back against his government, fighting back against white colonization,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: fighting you back against the dissolution of black culture and
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: everything like that, and tribal culture. And he he spoken
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: in like this like kind of interesting version of English,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: which is called pigeon English. Are you guys familiar what
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: that is? So Pigeon English is basically like a broken English.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: It's like intentionally broken, but it's it's meant to like
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: appeal to everybody because it's kind of like it's like
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: a simplified way of speaking English that like just about
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: everyone could kind of understand lingo. So like instead of
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: like you don't you you can't go over there, he
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: would say you don't you know go there or something
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: like that, right, And so he would like speak in
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: this and he would call these political lectures yabbies. But
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: it became as important as the music itself. So one
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: year to the day after the raid on his compound,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: the Spark's kind of will he takes twenty seven wives
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: in one day.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Whoa wait, oh yeah, did not see that coming.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So he to to honor, to honor the women
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: in his compound. He married twenty seven of them.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: How selfless? Yeah?
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Absolutely wow. Now it's interesting though because when he was
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: spoke about it in interviews, he said, this is not
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: for like a sexual nature, This is not for like
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: a relations.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Was it just so that they can get like like
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: royalties and stuff.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: So that was part of it.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: The other part was for protection, so basically, like because
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: a lot of these women had been defiled by the
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: soldiers from what I understand, basically in that culture, like
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: they were not allowed to essentially go out and and
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: try to look for a husband or for a mate
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: of any kind. So he's like, a fine, I'll marry
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: you and we'll we'll be protected within our own little world,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: our Calakuta Republic here.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would never want to be married to twenty
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: seven women.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I don't why not?
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: What are you trying to say?
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to say, Jeremy coming, I don't have the
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: bandwid I don't have the band anti.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: I have the bandwidth of for only one.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: That's all I can say.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: You know, that's fair, that's fair, that is fair. In
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine, this part is kind of crazy. So
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: he had base so like I was telling you earlier,
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: like his albums only had like two or three songs
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: on it usually, and he was like superiorly anti commercial,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Like he did not want to be commercialized in any
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: single way, so much so that as soon as he
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: recorded an album or recorded songs or whatever, he would
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: never once play them again live.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: M So he might have like a stand up in
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to do the
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: old stuff.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Exactly, so like instead of instead of playing the hits
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: and continuing to like, you know, make money off of
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: like all these songs you've made, he basically was like, Nah,
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: screw that, I'm just gonna I'm gonna come out with
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: thirty albums and you know, you can just listen to
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: them whenever you.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Wear these like all top ten discog like records that
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: are probably worth a ton of money, I would assume, yeah,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: like for real, Yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: I believe it, especially if you get Africa or African
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: printed ones.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Like I bet some white dude has them all more than.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Likely it's something like some somewhere like yeah, it's it's
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: definitely like some white dude from Connecticut.
• 34:30
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, I have actually two of them myself,
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: like some like original printed ones and they're worth a
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: lot of money and I'm probably never gonna.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Get rid of them.
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: But anyways, so as you could probably imagine, because he's
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: not willing to commercialize his music in any like meaningful way,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Decca Recordings, which is like his his publisher who holds
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: the rights to his music, they like despise Phala, but
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: they're like, you're like the only artist in Africa that's
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: making us money, so like we can't like let you
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: go either. So after many many conflicts with Decca, he
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: basically marches into Decca with like twenty of his bandmates
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: and says, we're just gonna hang out here for a while.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: And a while ended up being four months. So he
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: basically just like commandeered the offices of Decca Records, and
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: during that time, his one of his twenty seven wives
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: had a baby on the floor in Decca Records, and
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: they're like, well, now we got to stay longer because
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: you know, we got to care for this child.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: This is insane.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, it's incredible, but it doesn't end there. He
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: then decided to run for president of Nigeria and he
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: ran under the party called the Movement of the People.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: But as you can probably imagine the military junta that
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: wasn't control was never going to let this happen. And
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: so in every single, every single point of the election,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: basically it was rigged, right, I mean they were rigging it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: They were intimidating people at the polling places and everything.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: And it's interesting because to this day, if you go
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: to Nigeria and you ask who is who is the
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: black president, every single Nigerian will tell you Failakuti because
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: they believed that he would have won if it wasn't
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: a rigged election. In nineteen eighty one, he was then
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: once again beaten within it with it within an inch
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: of his life by Nigerian soldiers. They beat him. There
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: was like twenty soldiers that beat him with the butts
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: of their gun and from that moment on, he was
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: he was really struggling physically, but he came back out
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: of it. Nineteen eighty four, he was jailed for twenty
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: months for currency charges and then he was named a
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: prisoner of consciousness by the bi Amnesty International, which basically
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: means like he didn't actually do anything wrong. He was
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: just basically in prison because they decided to come up
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: with some charges to try to get rid of him
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: for a while.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Jeez, I'm sure the award made him feel better.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, Now here's the here's the craziest part I
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: think personally, I mean, the storming of his compound and everything,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: excuse me, is wild. But here's here's the part that
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: like is like one of the interesting, like lasting legacies
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: that he has that people don't necessarily know about. So
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Fela in nineteen ninety seven died of age, and when
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: he died of AIDS complications, it completely broke the stigma
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: about AIDS in Africa because it was seen as like
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: something that only gay men obviously would would contract.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Definitely not someone with twenty seven wives.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly. I mean this guy was obviously quite hetero, right,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: And so from this moment on, the AIDS awareness and
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: everything like that like became like.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was huge over I remember that when back
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: in the eighties.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: It still is to an extent, but it went from
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: like this thing where like no one paid attention to
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: it at all and everyone just pretended like it was
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: it was not something that was ever going to happen
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: to them and it could only happen to gay people. Now,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden, everyone's like, okay, well I need
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: to get tested and we need to like ensure that
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: we're taking measures to to control this.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Like Africa's Magic Johnson.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Pretty pretty much. Yeah, it's a good way to put it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: His funeral had over a million people.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: A tent what I've never heard of a few.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think the pope had a funeral that big.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: Probably not, honestly, Well, I mean if you think about
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: like televised and stuff like that, Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: But in person, that's crazy.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't that crazy in a million in people?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Like a million people in person?
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: Correct? Now, Lagos at the time was a thirty eight
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: million people, so one thirty eighth of the entire country
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: of Lagos. Basically stopped the entire like the entire street
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: system and everything like that, and marched down the street
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: with his.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: When did he pass away?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: When did you say?
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety seven? Yeah. So here's a couple of other
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: little tidbets real quick. Ah, this is like a total
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: side tangent, which is like super interesting, but it kind
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: of like lends itself to like the cult part. Feyla
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: started committing himself to like this African spiritualist, Uh, named
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Professor Hindu, and.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: That sounds like a that sounds like a Golden Age
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: comic book character.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody would fight the professor in someone played by
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Ben Kingsley in there.
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, totally okay, But Professor Hindu is wild.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: Uh, This guy like Fala would have him on at
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: the African tra which is which is his club and
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: Africa I mean sorry. Professor Hindu would slice people's throats.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: He would grab a random person from the audience, slice
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: their throat. Blood would be pouring out. You could literally
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: see the gash in their neck. And then he would
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: take the entire club and they would go out back
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: and they would bury the man. They would then come
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: back three days later and they would start digging up
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: the grave and all of a sudden, a hand would
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: pop out and he would raise him from the dead.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: And I thought this was the craziest thing ever. Because
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: it's on video. You can watch it. It's on YouTube.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Dude. Wow, Yeah, that sound fun.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: And Fela became super super close to this guy and
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: was like, this is the greatest man that's ever walked.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: This is like the second coming of a deity. Very
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: very impressive. I don't know how he did it, but
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: everyone within Fala's band, not everyone. A lot of people
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: within Fala's band are like, yeah, this guy's a total hoax.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: But Fala was totally into it.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But when you watched the video.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: It looks legit is all get out and I have
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: no idea how they how they pulled it off.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: That's nuts.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Now here's here's the last thing I'll say. Fayla was
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: was arrested or cited two hundred times in his life,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: and he made three hundred and fifty six court appearances. Wow,
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty six court's nuts.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: That's like half your life in court.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, I wish that I had told you, like
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: the whole story, but I don't want to take up
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: the entire album.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: That wasn't the whole story.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: No, not even close. Because like there's like this like
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: crazy meeting with Paul McCartney and this crazy meeting with
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: he like he like had like this cool collaboration with
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Ginger Baker, the drummer from Cream. It's weird, man, This
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: guy's story is like level.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: So I do have one question.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said you've been listening to them a lot.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: What's like a good entry point for someone to like
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: start listening to the music.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Go just go check out the album Zombie. I think
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: that's the best place to start.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Sweet because I'm like fast, I think.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: I am too, I'm like two and a roun. I'm like, oh,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: these are both great, like totally totally. That was the
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: record that hooked me. And now I didn't know about
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: the storming of his compound until last year, and I
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: was like, what the hell? That album was the album
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: that set.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Off the compound raid in the first place, So wow,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: I would check out that album first, but like everything
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: after nineteen seventy is killer. I mean, there's not a
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: bad song in that entire deal, but just be aware that,
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: like most of the songs are like fifteen to twenty five.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Minutes, so it was ahead of the game.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you say? How do you say his name?
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: How do you spell's name? F?
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: E L A k U T.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I perfect?
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: That is.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that can be beat Probably not.
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: That might be.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Christian Bat always fun too, though, Like that that was
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: that was fantastic.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: H I'll go next, just because I feel like Daniel
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: and Jeremy you probably have better artists for like these
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: these first two, and I'm like, oh god, I don't
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: even I don't think I even come closer.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think I can't either. So all right, well,
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: maybe we're just gonna start off strong.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's gonna be like that meme of like the Horse,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: where it like starts off really strong and then but
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I'll go next year just because I think I like, I.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Enjoy the lore of this band. I don't think it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it pales in comparison to these
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: first two.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: So it's not a competition though, right, I know it's not.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a competition. I don't but I don't
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: want the audience to be like, well, all right, well
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: they can't get much better than this, you know what.
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: You know, what's a really good thing to do to
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: tell them, tell them that, oh yeah, everything else is
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: going to suck from here on out.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. Maybe Jeremy and and
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Daniel have something even better.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Who knows. I doubt it. I'm I think you, Daniel,
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: you have an interesting one.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: I think mine's yeah, mine's like, did this guy understand
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: the assignment?
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: Okay? So so Dan, you're gonna round us out at
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: the end of them. Is that sound good?
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: It sounds good to be a killer, all right? I
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: will say.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: So this is a band that I haven't really listened
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: to before, and I only recently found out about them
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: because I literally was like, okay, I could do something
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: like me without you, or there's like some other bands
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that I'm like, Okay, they got some crazy lore, but
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: like it feels like.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: It's been covered before. This band. There's like not much coverage.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: There's like a few articles.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: About them online. To my understanding, there's really like no
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: YouTube videos or anything about them. So they're like they
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: are very obscure, at least here in America.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Is it Japan?
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: No, Okay, I almost did Japan Xu. I don't know
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: if you guys know the story of that band.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: But I know who you're talking about, you know, Yeah,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: but it is a Japanese band. The it's the So
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: it's a Japanese band.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: But I think their name.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Is like French or like it's like a it's like
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: a French spelling. It's Le's Raleigh's denudes something like that,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: although like that's how like the English transliteration, or maybe
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: it's not even a transliteration, but it's like the English version.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: That's how like you say it? Uh, they're the name
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: in Japan or Japanese. I well, totally, I don't know
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Japanese at all, but it's Hadaka.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: No razoo at Raziu.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I have no idea anyway, So I'm gonna be messing
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: up some pronunciation because I can't even speak English very well.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: So japan or Japanese is gonna be really fucked up here.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Anyway.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: They were a Japanese band that started in the late sixties.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: They formed in nineteen sixty seven and there were a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: group of students that were at this this university in
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Japan in is it no Cutter Kotio Kotoya, right Yo, Kyoto, Kyoto, Kyoto, Kyoto.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: So they were at a university in Kyoto. They started
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: as a band. I'll get to, like, I'll get to
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: some of the interesting facts about this band that I
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: just find like very interesting, and then I'll get to
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: like the crazy story about them. So yeah, they start
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: out as this band kind of you know, university kind
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of you know, college band, and their frontman who was
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: kind of like the main person throughout the entire history,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like the Chariot where it was
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: like they had the one main guy and then they
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: always had like a rotation of artists. Yeah, and so
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the main guy, his name was u Takashi, miss Mizutani Misatani,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Takashi Misatani uh And he was really into like avant
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: garde stuff. And again, like it's late nineteen sixties, so
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: he also was listening to a lot of like late
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: sixties psychedelic American music and UK music, so he was
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: like really into like Velvet Underground. He was into even
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: like kind of more underground stuff like Captain beef Art,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Blue Cheer, so a lot of like late sixties kind
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: of like psychedelic type of bands. So it's kind of
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: this like avant garde psychedelic thing that he initially started
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: out with and then like throughout the years he got
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: really into kind of like whatever. It was sort of
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: like the indie thing at the time, so he really
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: got into like indie folk. Eventually, like he ended up
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: really into like Bob Dylan stuff, so like he morphed
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: the band into like the more of that direction. So anyway,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: from like a sound perspective, like they're actually.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Like really really good.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: If you consider the fact that like they were like
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: like nineteen sixties doing really interesting, like psychedelic kind of
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: indie stuff, and so if you like listen to their
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: stuff from like late nineteen sixties early nineteen seventies, I
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: mean it doesn't sound obviously the production quality sounds way different,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: but in terms of like what they were trying to
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: do sounds like very similar to like well obviously like
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: something like Velvet Underground, but even Flaming Lips, like it's
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: kind of got that like vibe. So it's like they
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: were way ahead of their time and really influenced a
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: lot of Japanese indie music at that time and even
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: like later on. So one thing that's really interesting about
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: this band is they were a band for cumulatively for
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: twenty five years and never released a studio album. What. Yeah,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: they were a band for twenty five years. Their initial
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: run was from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen eighty eight,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: and then they had a five year hiatus and then
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: they came back for a few more years. So they
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: were basically a band for twenty five years and never
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: once released a studio album.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: So they went into the studio or what what's that
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: do they have live albums.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: They only have live albums that are bootlegged.
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: What that's right, So.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Early on in their career they were trying to do
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: like I think they were in the studio. I don't
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: know the exact story, but all it says was like
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: they went into a studio and they were trying to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: do like studio recording, and they hated it, and so
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: from there on out they refuse to ever record in
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: a studio.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: That's so so this is.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Not for us.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: That's so pro Japanese. It's so Japanese too, like, yeah, no,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: this is not for me, we just won't do this.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: So they just decided not to do it.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And so all recordings, like if you listen to any
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: recording of them now, and they do have recordings even
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: like on Spotify, and most of them have only just
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: been recently, within the last like five to ten years,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: just been released. Most of their recordings are all like
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: bootlegged live recordings.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: So does it sound like shit?
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Some of them do, yeah, well most of them probably do. Yeah, Yeah,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: it doesn't sound great, like the production obviously doesn't sound great,
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: but like when you listen into it, you're like, this
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: was so ahead of its time, Like it really truly
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: is kind of like incredible, like how ahead of uh,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: you know, how ahead of time they were at in
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the you know, late sixties, early seventies. So anyway, one
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: of the things is the the frontman U Takashi. He
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: it was like notorious for being like very reclusive, so
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: there's like there's literally like no interviews of him. The
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: first time they were ever there was ever any print
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: about the band was in uh And this is according
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: to Wikipedia, so take it with a grain of salt.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: But the first time they were ever there was any
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: sort of print about the band was in nineteen ninety nine.
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: Whoa, so they started in nineteen six.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Sixty seventy because the first time, and this might have
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: been like in America, so maybe like in Japan they
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: had been written about, but in America, first time there
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: was ever any print about them was in nineteen ninety nine.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: So there's like there's like virtually nothing that exists before
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, at least in America about the band,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and pretty much any like archive or any record of
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: them existing in Japan even like doesn't exist, wow, at
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: least like physical print media. There's like just nothing about
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: them so like nobody knows about them, and they're they're
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: frontman just like was notorious for being very reclusive, so
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: like no one like ever saw him like he would
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: they would occasionally play these shows. They clearly they never
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: recorded any studio music, and he there was even like
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: there's rumors that he like lived in Paris.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: For a while. Is that true.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: It's just like there's this kidding like well, a lot
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: of people are like, I don't even know if he
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: lived in Paris. There's just like there's like nothing about
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: them that really exists that can like kind of confirm
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: anything about their history, which I think is really cool,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: which is why they pretty much almost everything about this
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: band is like urban living. There's only a few things
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: that we sort of know factually about this band. So
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: some of the things that we know about this band is,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: like I said, there was one main person and then
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: there was like a.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Like a rotation of like thirty other people.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm trying to see if there's anything, like
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I said before, there they had like no recorded like
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: studio music. So when you look, they did have like
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: official releases, but every all the official releases are like live.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: Were these shows big were these Were they big concerts?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Were they like that? There's there's nothing about what like
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: how big they were. Like again, there's just like no record,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Like there's no like actual record of like how big
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: they were even in Japan.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: If one thing I do on this recording could find
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: out if all the rumors about this band were.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: True, Yeah, who's to say? Guess, Okay, that's a good.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: One thing that is confirmed is one of their.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Trying to see.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: So the the frontman that I was talking about earlier,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: he did at one point record music with the former
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix Sperience basis Noel reading. Yeah, so that was
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: kind of like maybe the closest to like any sort
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: of fame that they ever had was the fact that
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: their lead man had at least some connection with the
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Jimi Hendrix basis.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: So there's so like it's clear that like there were
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: some like circles that he was traveling in that he
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: was known in, but like, yeah, like ever enough notoriety
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: to like really break.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Into, especially in the American music scene certainly, Yeah, what
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: were you saying? So there's just like nothing about them,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: So anyway, let's see here. So no recordings I found
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: that just fascinating the fact that they existed for that
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: long and there's like no studio recordings is just stupid
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: All right, So this is where this is the craziest
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: thing about them.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: So one of their former basis one of their former
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: basis in nineteen seventy, so like he was like the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: early he was like there original bassist Okay in nineteen seventy.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: And Colin, you might actually know about this since you're
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: a history guy. So in nineteen seventy, there was a
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: hijacking of a Japanese flight, Okay, that was going from
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: Tokyo and it was supposed to go to another city
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: in Japan.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, it was hijacked.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: By a group of people that were associated with the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Red Army, which was a faction of the Japanese Communist
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: League at the time.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: So it was like basically this hijacking of like these
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: like communists from Japan, right, and their bassist was one
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: of the people that was doing the hijacking.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, whoa Okay.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I thought you were gonna say he was like a bystander.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, he was in the like he was
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: one of the active participants in the hijacking. What's interesting
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: is like and there's like talks on like you two,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: and like other articles I read about them were like again,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: like this was the basis. He was not the front man,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: so he was not like writing lyrics or anything. The
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: band itself was like never an overtly political band, like
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: they weren't raging against the machine.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Was he was he an.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Active part of the band during this time.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Because he was the original basis. He was the original basis,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: and he it looks like yeah, I mean he basically
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: like was done with the band after.
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: This, well I would imagine, so yeah.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: So okay, gig.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: So this is where it gets crazy. So all right,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: they hijack this Japanese flight. They tell the pilot that
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: we want to go to Cuba. Okay, the the pilot
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: tells them, we literally do not have the fuel to
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: take like take a flight from Tokyo all the way
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to Cuba. So because so because of that, they were like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: what's next, best plan? So they asked him to take
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: them to North Korea.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: So this Japanese in North Korea.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: If you don't understand, this Japanese flight, and there were
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: like twenty or thirty like hostages on this flight they
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: end up taking. The pilots did take them to North Korea.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: They land in North Korea, they end up I think
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: both like North Korea and Japan were both like on
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: the phone with the pilots like trying to figure out,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: like what are we going to do with these hostages? Right,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: And so they were able to like basically rescue like
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: every single hostage.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: Except the pilots.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: So the rest of the Japanese hostages were released and
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: eventually went back to Japan except like, but the like
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the pilots or the one pilot like wasn't. And what
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: is interesting is after the pilot landed, they ended up
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: figuring out some sort of deal where the pilot could
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: go and leave back to Japan. But the remaining hijackers
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: were ended up basically ended up becoming like imprisoned in
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: North Korea, and by all accounts this basis is still
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: in North Korea as a prison cod Yes.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: So so Kamis the blood doesn't run so deep with
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: commis is what you're saying.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the fact that like he came in
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: like as like a communist like trying like I think
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: that's like why he was like at least saved by
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: the North like they didn't kill him or whatever right
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: away what you like, and maybe he's like not in prison,
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: but like he is still or at least like all
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: accounts point to the fact that, like he still is
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: living in North Korea.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: Damn wow, is that confirmed that he's alive?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: There probably is, Like there's no confirmation that he's alive,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: but by like all accounts like it unless there was
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: like some sort of confirmation that he's like been you know,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: like that he died, but there's been no confirmation that
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: he's died.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose it's hard to get information, which there
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be interesting.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, like he he ended up like basically
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if his like intention was to
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: defected create North Korea, but like that's essentially what he
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: ended up doing. So their basis is still in North
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: all accounts. So anyway, so that's kind of the craziest
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: thing about how did they hurry their next basis?
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: They just started a communist question one.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: It's like we learned from the last time, we got
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: to ask some very specific questions on your qualifications.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Once bitten twice shot.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Ah that was that was that was really cool.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: I love this.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm like reading a punk zine. I
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm like I'm learning about some cool ship.
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: Like I already feel cooler. Yeah, mine is definitely not
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: gonna be as.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Well as these three.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: For surely was there more to the story, Mason, No,
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: that's kind of like to me, like this the whole
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: like North Korea like defecting.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like a wild almost fascinating thing. Again,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: like there's really nothing about this band that exists. So
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: in twoenty like twelve or twenty fourteen, there was some
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: American journalist that was trying to find any way to
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: connect to anyone in Japan that knew anything about them,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: and basically like came away with nothing. There was like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: just nothing that they could like, there's no connections that exist.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: They couldn't end up getting in connection with anyone.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: What he needs to do is he needs to get
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: in contact Dennis Rodman and then getting d exactly there
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: you go.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Robin figured it his way in yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So although what they did confirm the lead man
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: again I'm forgetting his name, uh Takashi Uh, he did die.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen. They did confirm that.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: So he is the lead man is Dad, which basically
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: means I would imagine that this band is no longer
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: going to exist because I don't know it was again
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: it was his project.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess then, Like my big question is, then
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: how did their stuff end.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Up on.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: Spotify? Like who so the rights?
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's a good Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: So there there's a variety of different like labels that
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: basically have like picked up their stuff. When when America
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: learned about that this band exists, there was a variety
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: of labels that, like you know, indie labels that kind
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: of picked up their stuff. I did read something about
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: like one of their former members has sort of like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: tried to bring their music to America, which I think
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: has basically meant that now some of their stuff can
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: like be on streaming. So I mean, I like looked
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: up their stuff on Spotify, Like they're on Spotify.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: They actually just had like one of their albums just
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: released last year. Again it's all live stuff. But they
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: did have an album that got released last year, so yeah, but.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: It's all live stuff.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: It's just it's crazy that the fact that they never
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: once recorded a studio album. I know, I love that.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: So it's all bootleg stuff from live shows. I mean
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's like an extreme version of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: like the Grateful Dad Dead. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point, interesting punk rock, grateful dead crazy.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: That was very Lai's Raleigh.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: You need to have links for all these artists in
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: the in the show notes.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, yeah you can get back to that.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like a bona fide loser at this point.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, is it commercial rock?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: All you got to do is top North Korean defection
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: two cold?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Uh to a partridge in a pear tree?
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: No, no pressure.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, well, it's not competitive, guys, It's not competitive,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: and I feel like I have failed you guys because
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: you guys went in deep dives and I'm like Billy Corgan, So.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: Dude, Billy Corgan is a crazy Yes he is.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: I don't think most people know about it.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, well mine is actually about his side project
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: Zwan and I love Swan.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I thought it was no Swan. No, it's not.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: On his that joke, what now? What did you say?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, at least Kylan got that joke about
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I always thought that Billy Corgan looks like, oh I
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: get it now.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I did not understand what he said.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, totally makes sense.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: Have you guys, Have you guys seen the podcast episode
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: on Howie Mandel's podcast between uh so Bill he.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Dropped him on his brothers or whatever.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and he's like, oh, you guys are and
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: he's like pissed or like Bills they play it off
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: right and they're like, yeah, you're basically you're basically brothers
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: here and uh yeah, and like they're like pretended to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: like put together like the pieces of like their fatherhood.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it's great.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: Because they do look like they do and they have
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: the same first name.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: True. Definitely just a bunch of Bills.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, guys, Yeah, Zwan. I've always been a fan of them,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: but I never was like a super deep dive until
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: we talked about doing this. So I reached out to
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: my trusted friend Jared Bowser, and he's a fanatic, and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: so I asked him a lot of questions and he
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 5: chat GBT me a lot of information and.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Actually he literally copy and pasted it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 5: But anyway, yeah, so this band started after the Pumpkins
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: broke up, and I it's funny because I grew up
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: in Christian hardcore metal what all that, and I was
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: super like, not major labeled type of guy. I was
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: all like, you know, tooth andnail, Victory Records, that whole thing.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: And then a friend of mine and when I was
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: in college, was like, hey, you gotta go see the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: Pumpkins because they were playing in the town I was in,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: and I was like, eh, I no, no, thirty Bucks is
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: a lot, and so I bought a ticket and I
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: went and changed my life, like completely changed my life.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: So huge Billy Corgan fan from that moment on Zuan
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: is you know, obviously the band he started after the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: Pumpkins broke off and broke up, and it has got
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: members from Slint, It's got members from a perfect circle,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 5: Silver Jews and uh Chavez just you know Indie Royalty
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: if you will.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who's to a supergroup?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: In theory.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And of calling, it looks like the guy who was
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: from Slint that was in this band was the guy
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: who opened for Maguay.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: Really, David, is that who was?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he opened for Maguay.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: That makes sense, Yeah, dude, amazing band.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: They only put one record out because they couldn't get
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: along and I have a feeling it was because of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: one person.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: But yeah, you have that feeling.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I'm still a fan.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: I'm still a fan.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: Was it the same reason the put that the punk probably?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Probably?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: And Jimmy Chamberlain played d so he was along for
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: the ride. They put a record out and it was
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: on Reprize Records. The record was you know, I feel
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: like did fairly well for that time. I think that
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: was kind of when Napster started to kind of take off,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 5: and so I think record sales were not the greatest,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: and I think there was a lot of internal tensions
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: because some of the guys. I watched a couple of
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: videos and they recorded all these great guitar parts, and
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: there was a female in the band from a Perfect
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: Circle and Silver Juice and and she they would just
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: have tension and Billy would like record over those parts,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: which I feel like is what he did in Siamese Dream.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: But you know who's uh, you know who's fault and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: the genius. Oh it's what's her name pass from the.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: H That's right, she's in the Pixies now, that's right. Yeah,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: she was the one that like did the like au
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: part of yep.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: She has such a know and she apparently her and
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: Billy were the ones that butted the heads the most.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: Is from what is what I caught on in the videos.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: The other guys were just kind of like whatever, and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: Billy always blames the breakup of the band on drugs
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: and sex with you know, people in the.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Band and whatnot.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: But they all blame Billy for being Billy, and uh,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: you know, I like Billy.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: I like Billy to be fair though we all kind
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: of blame that.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, I mean absolutely, I I yeah, he's
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: kind of a turd, but I kind of like that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: turd somewhat.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it does. It does bring up like an
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: interesting question. It's like when someone is a musical genius,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: how much runway do you give them?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, yeah, oh you're right.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: And also too, it's funny I heard out I heard
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: an interview with David Pogo and he was like it
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: was after the fact, I was probably two years ago
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: and they were talking about Zwan and he.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Was like, I just really didn't even like the Pumpkins.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: And it's like it's like, okay, cool, I get that,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: but it's like, you clearly wanted to work with Billy.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: I would won't work with Billy, Like I feel like
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: that would be the case. But you know, there's that
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: indie cred. I'm sure that was probably.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Part of it. And you know, the record's great, by
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: the way, Mary, Start of the Sea is amazing. You
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: can't get it on vinyl.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: You know, it's it's very rare, and it's a very
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: polished Billy Corgan. It's a pop pop Billy Corgan record,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: if in my opinion, And I say Billy Corgan because
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: you're on most of it. But yeah, there's just a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: lot of allure about the band and just kind of
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: they played, you know, very minimal shows, very minimal interviews.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: I think they even broke I think he went on
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: like a sh Chicago news station and said the band
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: broke up. It was so stupid, like yeah, it's like weird.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: They're like, oh, so what's up with Za. He's like, oh,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: we're broken up.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: It's like it's just you know, totally a billy thing.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: So did the Jeremy don't don't don't take this as
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: a slight but did did Corgan have hair during his one?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: He did not, And that's not a slight thing.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: So yeah, but I will say I noticed he when
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: Melancholy came out in the first couple videos he did
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: have hair, and then on like nineteen seventy nine he
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: did not have hair. So yeah, there was a there
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: was a change changing out the guard, but.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Enough enough fell out.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah did did. So my sense is based on the
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: way you're talking about this. They never toured, they never played.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: They played, so they played like they did so they
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: were did. They did go to Europe. Sorry, they didn't
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: do a US tour. They did played a couple of
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: US shows in like Chicago, and I think they did
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: like like Letterman or Lenno.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Or one of those or something like that.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: So they did play live, but most of their touring
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: was in Europe, and I think they started to kind
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: of splinter at that point.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: So there's just a lot of you know, mystery in terms.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Of like what's true, what's not true? And I tend
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: to and which of which of their members was a
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: confirmed Communist?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know, Yeah, Dennis Rodman with the I mean
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: there might have been one who knows.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: The theme basically Tonight has been communist.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: And calls yes communists, yes, yeah, but uh.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: So, so what were some of the juicy stories that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: you were able to suss out.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: Well, well, apparently one of the and I don't know
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: who they didn't specify, but the female And I'm assuming
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: and I could could be wrong. I think past, yeah,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: and one of the gentlemen and the lovely gentlemen in
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: the band were you know, you know, being together. And
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: I think Billy blamed the breakup on sex and drugs
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: and rock and roll, and it's you know, of course,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: who knows what happened. I'm sure that there might be
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: some some truth to that, But.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: Did anyone ask him about Fleetwood mac who Billy? If
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: Matt could have done it?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Why? Yeah, they did it.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think he just likes to blame people
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: for anything and everything. And I still love him, big
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: fan of him. But yeah, I don't know. It bums
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: me out because I feel like this band could have
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: went further, could have done better things. But at the
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: same time, they put one great record out that's very
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: like cult like. It's extremely cult like in terms of
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: the fans. Apparently they're supposed to work on a box
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: set with sixty five songs that even the best songs
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: apparently aren't weren't even released, you know, all the artists
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: say that.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: But but that's been like in the works.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah for a while, Yeah, for a while and a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: lot of time.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, who knows we'll ever get it.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think Billy plays.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: Some Swan songs every once in a while in his
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 5: live set, which.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: Is kind of cool.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, I think it's kind of like and
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: he said, you know it's funny too, he says in
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: an interview, he said, this is the happiest he was
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: in music, which is kind of ironic.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: It sounds like, yeah, yeah, it seems like the norm,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 8: but I didn't age, well, it's always greener, guys. What
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 8: does it mean when like the happiest you've been and yeah,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: still with a breakup.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: No, I know, and you know, sometimes you need to
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: look in the mirror, you know, I get it.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, great great record.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Not as.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: In depth or crazy or chaotic as your last three,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: but I can tell you, yeah, it's it's just a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: great record, great band. Wish it could have done more.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: Wish uh you know, I wish Billy wasn't a turd.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: But you know, you know, I do think it's interesting
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: because when you the interviews I've seen with the with
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: the other members of the band other than Billy. Is
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: everyone super cagey about it?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: Yes, I agree with that, Like they're super coy and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: ca Yeah, they're like avoid stuff.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never seen any anybody.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: It's almost like, let's not talk about it, like yeah,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: like so like because I mean it might be.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: Had a chance to like play with Billy Corgan, you'd
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: be like, all right, that's what I'm saying, Like yeah,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: but like none of them talk about it ever, and
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: when you bring it up, they go, ooh, I'm out,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: So David Paja did an interview.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I saw it on a video.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: I can't think who was with It was like two
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: or three years ago maybe, and he got pretty in
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 5: depth which with it, which I thought was interesting. But
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: again he was kind of playing that I didn't really
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: like the Pumpkins card, and it's like, well, you kind
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: of probably did.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: Well, guys, we we can't rule out that Billy Corgan
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: also had a horse whip. That maybe the answer to
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: all of that.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he might have.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: You know, he had a horse whip in his ice
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: cream truck from the music video Ninete Dude.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: Well, with all that said, I love all the music
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: he's ever done, but yeah, all of it, most of
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: it okay, sorry ninety or sorry eighty five percent of it.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say the last couple of records of yeah
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: pre do you rough?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah? But yeah, yeah, I mean I don't. Yeah, they're
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: not great.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: There's a couple of good songs here and there, but
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: I think most of it's pretty good.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, sorry, it wasn't his No cool good,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: it was good.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: No, that was great. Yeah, like they are a band
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: like where this is the first time hearing about them,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: but like it sounds like a band where it like
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: you know now that like over twenty years has passed,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: almost twenty five years has passed.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: Like it's kind of one of those things, why does
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: it matter?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: People?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Just like can people just like figure their shit out?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Like many people have healed Hopefully people have got therapy
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: enough to like figure their shit out, and now it's like,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: all right, let's just go make money, come back together.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: Let's just gonna make money.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm almost certain there's like a conspiracy. And I'm
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: not a conspiracy theorist, like ever, like I hate conspiracy theories,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: but this is one of those like situations where I'm
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: certain there's a conspiracy theory here because the fact that,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: like everyone's so tight lipped about it just gives me
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: like reason for pause.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: There might have been some stuff that didn't need to
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 5: be let out of the bag, or you know, cat's
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: not let out of the bag of sorts.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're right, everyone's kind of tight lipped about
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: it when it's kind of like you know what, you know,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: the thing we won't.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: Talk about type of thing. Yeah, yeah, it's odd, weird.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: It's like it's like poison. It's a good point.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: All right, interesting, Well cool.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: All right, Well maybe that maybe this one will even
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: become more crazy lore twenty years from that. Yeah, as
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: as you know, because things will, you know, the cat
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: will get it out of the bag and the rumor
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: will be true.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: True.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Daniel Terry, you're I'm excited for this,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: by the way. I love I love the band you picked,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: by the way.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, So I.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: Don't know if I know, I don't know.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: I was caught between two.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: Because, uh, as well, originally you know, we're going back
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: and forth on Instagram. I was like, okay, yeah, I
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 6: was like, I know a lot about Mortification and Zao
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: and norwoldin something, but like, I've done videos on all
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: those bands, right, so it's one of those like, uh,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 6: and then really doesn't have to be a Christian band,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: so I took it totally in.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: The opposite direction.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: Uh And so I picked a satanic black metal band
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 6: from Sweden.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Which Dissection and Dissection is.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: It's a little bit of lore for me is that
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: I used to do this PODCAS called Discography Discussion, which
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 6: we covered everything.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: It wasn't it wasn't.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: Actually a Christian affiliated podcast really at all, and I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: never got to talk about Dissection and it always frustrated
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: me because they only had three albums, and talking about
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: Dissection is so much easier than talking about band like
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: Napalm Death, who has like twenty five albums. And also
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 6: I'm the same, right.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: So I got really I got really into the loure of.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: Dissection back then, and then I ended up quitting the
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 6: podcast and it was the whole thing. So I'm happy
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 6: to kind of kind of bring this up on a
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: podcast because I've always wanted to. So the most notable
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: thing about Dissection is they.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Were one of the earlier black.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: Metal bands from Sweden or what you know from Scandinavian
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: a black metal band. Yeah, they formed in nineteen eighty nine,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: and they were formed by a guy that I'm going
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 6: to talk about more than anybody else, and his name
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: is John Neudwate. I'm probably saying it wrong, but I
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: mean I don't feel so bad now. That's part of
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: why I went last. I was like, let's hear how
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 6: these guys pronounce things, and then I'm gonna, you know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: move in, move in. Yeah, William William Corgan core games.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: It's actually pause, but.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna call John just John from Dissection, right, So
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: John sings plays guitar or he used to sing, used
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 6: to play guitar for Dissection.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 6: They were very influential in innovating like melodic black metal.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: Uh. Their recordings actually sounded really good. Uh they didn't.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: They love I love that, like, wow, black metal could
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: actually sound decent?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Wow? Who would have thought they?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: Uh, theyre I'm gonna check on Wikipedia, right because I'm
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 6: a YouTuber.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: That's we literally just.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 6: Read Wikipedia and then type our version of what Wikipedia
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: said and then we say it.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: But yeah, they were on New at one point. They were.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: They're not they're not obscure.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: I mean, almost anybody that's into black metal knows who
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 6: Dissection is. But what's interesting to them, what's interesting about
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 6: them to me is that they were a satanic black
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: metal band. And I don't mean it in the way
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: that like other black metal bands were satanic, where it's like, well,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: we actually really liked Tolkien and we're atheists, and you know,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: he took away our pagan roots, man, you know, which
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 6: is why we're gonna which is why we're gonna bring
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 6: your church down. We're gonna be really upset that this
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: band called antesters in our house, you know, like in
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 6: our country, and right, like, uh, the practice is not
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: it's not like those guys Dissection. This guy John he
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: actually like it really was Satanism in the purest sense
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: of like what your parents thought satan.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, okay, no, we're.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: Talking like we're talking like so in a certain sense,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 6: you can say the Dissection kind of was a Christian
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: band because it includes all of the Christian uh mythology.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: If that's not too offensive a way to say it.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: You're not a Satanic band. We're Satanist in a band.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well no, not a satanic podcast where Satanists
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: that have a button.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: No, no, so this was this was not like that.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: This was this was a Satanist in a Satanic band,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: all right, that wanted that wanted to spread the message.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: It's like if it's like if Steve Rode from Mortification
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: was a.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: Satan Like we're talking like like that level of zeal
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: like evangelism. Correct, Okay, so like to the point where
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: like they didn't like he didn't like uh Anton Levey satanism, right,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: he was a commercial I'm not into that.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's too.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: So you know the band, the band put two records
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: out and then they actually in it up breaking up
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: for a few years. We'll get into why just in
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: a few minutes. But yeah, they broke up in in
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: basically ninety eight and didn't and didn't come back until
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 6: two thousand and six ish.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: And the reason was is because John was in prison.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: Oh that's always snotty, right, because in a buddy of his,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: well him and a buddy of his, they killed Yeah,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: they killed it. They killed a gay man.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 6: I don't I never could figure out if it was
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: specifically because he was gay.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: But there's there's another this is not the only.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: Like black metal story where a black metal band member
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 6: killed a gay dude.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 7: Emperor, yeah yeah yeah yeah.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: So similar, similar sort of situation.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: But what's different about this one is, uh, it's so funny,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: people are what are you?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: I was posting this as a video on you literally
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: just reading.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: We can see him reading off of I use a
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: program on my videos called d script, and it's yeah, dude,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 6: it's got a it's got this.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: Uh, it's got this.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 6: App that like locks my eyes to the camera so
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: you can't tell that I'm like looking off screen reading
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: but all.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: Is being revealed tonight.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 6: But yeah, so they killed this guy and they and
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: I say they, John was friends with a guy whose name.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: I'm also gonna pronounce wrong.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 6: What was this other guy's name, because like it's to
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 6: me I read it, I'm just like, oh yeah, Swedish name.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: And this guy wasn't in the band, but him and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: his friend were part of a cult that had about
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 6: four members and it was called the Temple of the
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 6: Black Light. My god, that's a third ship.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: Sounds like it is some. It is some like did
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: you guys bring the Mountain dew. You know, like it's
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: very like, is.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: It really a at that point or is it just
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: some like stupid shit.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, Like, there's definitely I I was
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: really yeah, I mean I was.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: I was really into some nerd shit when I was
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 6: a kid, right and and also now, uh and so
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 6: whenever I started reading through like all the stuff that
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 6: they did, they wrote one of the guys not not
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: John from Bissection wrote a book in twenty twenty called
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 6: The Book of the Left Handed Reaper, and it goes
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 6: it goes through like all of their lored and it
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: says that their their belief system, basically the Temple of
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: the Black Life believes I'm reading from Wikipedia. It believes
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: in what they titled chaos coffee chioscophy. They believe in
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: the biblical creation account of Adam and Eve, in the
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 6: existence of Abrahamic God.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: So you know, hey, it's it's a Christian.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 6: Band, right, yeah, that, according to them, the universe, But
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 6: unlike unlike followers of Abrahamic faith, they instead reject, reject
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 6: that God, and they want to see his creation not
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 6: to have taken place, and wish to destroy it and
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 6: cause its non existence through magics and rituals. So yeah,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 6: it's like it's literally like our D and D campaign.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 6: We decided that it.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: Was real and we it's just yeah, the incorporate some
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: of that in there too.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Emo Christians. It's like, yeah, God, I know you exist,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: but like.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: You're probably not really there for me when I need.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Joy.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: So it's funny like hell or high water or like
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: come now sleep just with like out the murder.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right exactly. No, So what they did is
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: I mean they killed cats.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: They started off sacrificing cats, and they talked about human sacrifice.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: But this, uh, this crime.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Is always cats that they start out with, isn't it right?
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Is that like some Egyptian kink or what?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: I don't I'll have to read this dude's book, although
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 6: like probably not right, Like.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I mean I think that's your next video, right, I
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: feel like this is my next.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: Video for sure.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: That would be oh my goodness, that would be awesome.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: My comment my comment section.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Man, just for yeah, well, right, they these.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: Guys like like good little emo hobbits. They did go
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: ahead and confess to the murder. They were like we
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 6: did it, you know, so uh, but like here's the
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: thing in in countries like Sweden or what, you get
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 6: light sentences from ten years.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: Like prisons are like nice. I watched like a whole
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: BBC thing on Yeah, like yeah.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: Because it really is a big rehabilitation.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: It really doesn't make you not want to commit the crime.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: If you don't like somebody for ten years about that's fight.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that we're in right now.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: I honestly I might rather be in a Scandinavian prison.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, literally in Minneapolis, right yeah, frozen tundra, yeah, and
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: other things.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, they actually, my goodness, actually have their
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 6: own uh well no, they actually have their own I
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: was just reading so my oh my goodness was actually
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: they have their own trill. They have their own trinity
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: that they made because you got to have it, right.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 6: These are the these are the three dark veils before Satan.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: So they're all three in one with Satan, right, and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 6: the first one.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: Let's say we've.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: Got Tohu, the foremost chaos. So like these guys obviously
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: they're reading like love, yeah, taho to who not to
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: be confused who it's Boho the bee, which is emptiness, nothingness,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 6: and then Belile because it's spiced it up and throwing
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: like a right, and then you've got chassick darkness athail,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: which is uncertainty, you know, which is the only one
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: that actually sounds scary to me.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: Uncertainty is the most terrifying thing in the world.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, can I can I provide a quick side tangent?
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Just because I thought about it and it's I can't
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: get it out of my head. When I was young,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: I grew up in an evangelical household. Right, I played
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: Legend of Zelda, and I love Legend of Zelda nice.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: And the only way that I could get my parents
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 4: to allow me to play Legend of Zelda because there.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Was a rated M game.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: Was the fact that there was a try force on
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 4: the front of the on the front of the cover,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: that's it. And I said, it's the Father Son in
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: the Holy Spiritus with a try force? Is Mom and Dad?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 9: That is now.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: They didn't believe. They totally believed it. I just what
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: I'm going to say.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: That's wild.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: They did not know I was lying.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: Interesting, man, that's incredible.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Box News can tell them anything, and it's just like,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: that's right, it's crazy, like tooth and nough for video games.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 6: Your fallout shelter sign though, shows that you become a
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 6: Satanist because now the trifles the tri force upside, but
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: we still have we.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: Still have the tri Force.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: So funny.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: That's so funny.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: So yeah, this dude was in some crazy stuff, right,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: and it's it's just interesting to me because he gets
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 6: out of prison.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: He immediately gets the band together again Lambisa's style.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: Right, like hell yeah, and so so did he attempt
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: to get it?
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: You know day one he walked out of prison, is
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: just plugged his guitar.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: And picked his guitar. Here we go here, probably in prison.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: He probably wrote most of the music Bring In two
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: thousand and six.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: They he records their final album, which is called Rain
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: Chaos Hell and that's kay, that's chaos with a K
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 6: because you gotta of course.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: But then pretty much right after that, John, you know
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: what happens He yeah, he real quick?
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: Did you explain like what their reason was for killing
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: the guy in the park.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: So it's unconfirmed, but it's probably because he was gay.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 6: I'm not one hundred percent sure.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: But that's something like shitty Satanists.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like, yeah, I think that was common.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately in that area, like with the with a lot
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: of those dudes are just yeah, like Emperor and all.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: Like we said, it was just like it just doesn't
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: make sense to me because all days are Satanists anyway, right,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: according to exactly, that's.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: Like bad Satanism, right, That's what I'm saying.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no Stanists.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 6: No, because because like like Christianity, these guys were the
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: right Satanists and everybody else was wrong, right, like.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: Rights, how we do it in the right side of
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: the political spectrum?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: Is that what you're trying to say, or.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: It's like it's like no, no, it's like the internet. No,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: I mean right is in correct?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right, the right side of the political Oh man,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 9: well once this album comes out, dude basically is like, Okay,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 9: I've taken my uh my satanic mission as far as
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 9: I possibly can using music as an outlet.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: And then he he ended up ending his own life,
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: and not because he was sad or depressed, according to
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: just done. Yeah.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 6: Uh and he did it he uh he uh, I
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: don't I don't know how censor you don't be He
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 6: committed suicide like in a circle of candles in his
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 6: own house.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Pentagram was there a pentagram. I don't know if it
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: was a pentagram.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 6: It was just a circle, probably like a witching circle.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 6: Whatever it was, it wasn't a pentagram. I don't think
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 6: that he I don't think that he repented on his
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 6: on his deathbed, right. But what was interesting about him
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 6: was that apparently the reason he committed suicide was because
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: he felt like he was at the absolute top.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: Of his game, dude, and wanted to go out to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: his game.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 6: Done.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well it's crazy because like what stands out to.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 6: Me about about Dissection and and John in particular, is
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 6: that this is an example of somebody that actually did.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: Did he really believed what he was doing. You know
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 6: So many of these so many of these bands that
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 6: do the whole Satanism thing or the whole Christian thing
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 6: and all that they do it it's a it's a bit, right,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: and this was one of the rare examples of it not.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Being a bit at all.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 6: This guy was like also, they're trying to trying to
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 6: trying to win souls for Satan.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: So like it's it's funny to me because this just
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 4: kind of feels like a Skyrim side quest that you
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: run into uh and like you know, the worshippers of
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: ball all of a sudden, like right, they just yeah,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: they kill themselves in a witching circle and they're like,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: I have completed my work.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: I'm yeah, well what killed me is it's so generic.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 6: That's the only thing that bugs me about it is
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: like he was so like, you know, all of our
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: friends over there in Norway, they're doing it wrong. We're
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 6: gonna be the stereotype. We're gonna be the Yeah, we're
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 6: gonna be We're gonna be the cops eating donuts, you know,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 6: like we're gonna do the thing that everyone expects us
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: to do.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 9: Uh.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: And that always that always bugged me. And he died
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: for that. He died for like the generic boogeyman image. Yeah.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like that's pure patriotism, right, I.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: Mean sure nationalism. Yeah, the nation for the nation of Satan, right, Like.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so well blow, I don't know if that was
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: the fact that Okay, so the murder happened in nineteen
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: ninety seven, and he was out of jail by two
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: thousand and six.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: He died in two thousand and six. I think he
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: got out of jail earlier than that.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So like, uh, what I mean, I don't know
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: if he was the one that pulled the trigger or not.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: No, in Europe they let you can get away with
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: murder and get like a ten year sentence.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of like do you why sentence singim longer?
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: In America? Yeah, that's crazy, Yeah, because.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: We live in a police states, don't you know that?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: Living in Minneapolis right now?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: You know the story of Vargin and Uronymous, right, no, Mayhem?
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah where varg Uh? Yeah, so varg was actually in Mayhem.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: Uronymous was the guy behind Mayhem. Uh and he basically
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: Varga ended up killing him and ended up going to
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 6: prison for what was it like ten.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: Years something like that.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: And he they even even recorded Bursum albums while he
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: was in prison.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then he went on YouTube and YouTube was
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: like absolutely not, We're getting rid of.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: This guy like as soon as he as soon as
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: he fo but yeah.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, which I mean they'll do they'll do that to
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: you if you've used more than twelve seconds of music,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: you know, right right?
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, So one thing I want to know about these
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: bands from like both Norway and Sweden, and I feel
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: like I've tried to see if Peter, you know, whenever
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: we interviewed Peter from extele and and Peter's he's great.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: I'm sure he's just the best.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: But one thing I've always tried to figure out is
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: like what was like both blind Side and Extell's relationship
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: with these like very over No, I'm very curious about that.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: He never really gave us a great associated with that world.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: He never gives me.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know on that well. I did so.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: I did a video recently on Christian blacklack metal or
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: unblack metal, and I read an interview.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: It was the it was the.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 6: Drummer from Emperor, the guy that killed that guy, the
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: the other guy that killed the gay guy in a park,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: oh god. And he was talking to he was talking
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 6: to Uronymous, who was murdered by var not long after,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: and he's like, hey, there's this band called antest Or. Yeah,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: what what are we going to do about them? How
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: are we gonna how are we gonna get rid of them? So,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: like I that's the only confirmation I've ever heard of
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: like the satanic black metal people like talking about doing
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: something too well.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: And they were on that secular label too. They were on.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: Coffee, which is and the label didn't even know they
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: were Christians, so I think they were like kind of
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: like what the.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: Heck, Like, so the label did.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: So I've done a nerd amount of research on antest Or,
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 6: and one of them, that's who I They're so good. Yeah,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: but I've talked about them to death, but they but
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: basically the label did know that band. Yeah, and they
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: just told them they're and they're like, we don't care.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 6: We're cool with just selling records. We think you guys
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: made a kick ass record. It's a great record, you
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 6: know what I mean. Like yeah, so they because like
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 6: that's more realistic with labels. Labels want to make money.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 6: That's that's their primary thing. But that's also why if
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: you have a copy of the Return of the Black
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 6: there's almost no like well there's almost no lyrics.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 6: But the best lyrics on that CD are printed in
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: the booklet where he's like Satan says he'll set me free,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: but he's a loser just like me. That's it's presented
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 6: in all of It's like screaming corpse painting glory.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Like they're great.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're one of my favorites.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: I've just always been like curious, especially like for those
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: bigger bands that came out, you know, like Extel or
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: Blindside that came out of that world. And obviously like
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Blindside wasn't like a black metal band, but sure, but
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: like they come out of that area. Yeah, and they
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: were like it's not like I mean, I forget exactly
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: when blind Said started, but like I mean it's like
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: Midnight five yeah, like mid nineties, Like it's not that
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: much longer after the late eighties early nineties of like
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: the height of you know, satanic black metal in you know,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: both Sweden and Norway. So yeah, I'm just always I've
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: always been curious about like that. I mean, it's not
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: it's they're coming right out of basically like that being
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: an abdominant music scene. So I have always been curious,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: like have they felt like they almost had to like
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: protect themselves from that world?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I wonder. Yeah, I almost think that
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: It's like.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 6: I almost think that those bands were probably pretty separate
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 6: from the music scene overall until a certain point, you know,
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 6: because like you can think of I mean, any of
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 6: us that are playing Christian bands. It's like, you know,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 6: you play your first few shows or like churches and.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like, well, I think it's
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: I think it's more like what you see here, right
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: yeah there, Yeah, you would have been playing amongst them.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: But the difference is that like you're not doing altar
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: calls if you're blind Side or Extal or something like that.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 6: You're doing yeah, because they were American, what's not like
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 6: American Christianity, where there's a certain quarder of operations that
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 6: you're supposed to use toe.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And and those scenes were probably so siloed,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: like in the same way that like, you know, the
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: music scene, like you know, part of the reason why
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: like Christian especially like Christian like hardcore metal was so
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: siloed from even like the other markets that were existing
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: at that time, Like I would imagine that's probably the
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: same case, like they were just an entirely like Blindside
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: and Excel were probably an entirely different like yeah load yeah,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: like tribalized kind of market then and now.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: Ex holes respected.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, yeah, I mean I don't know what the
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: how like both like the Scandinavian like black metal scene
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: is understood at this point, Like I don't know how
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Scandinavians think about it, but like Extel, I would imagine,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: at least from an American perspective, seems to be one of.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: The most Absolutely, when you got the bass player from
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: Dyllinger Escape Plan wanting to do a sorry project with you,
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: who says he says a lot.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, dude, that like this was so cool, Like
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: there's just so many good bands that have like so
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: many just like.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: What the hell, like this is crazy stories.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: Okay, So I know, I know we said this isn't
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: a competition, but I think it'd be fun if each
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: of us is kind of bad competition. Oh man, I'm
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: gonna pick.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Calen Suit. I'm gonna pick.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: Only because I knew that, only because Daniel, only because I.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: Knew the dissection story. I did not know Kylan's story. Yeah, no,
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: that's totally fair.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, So okay, here's what I'm gonna say.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, Jeremy, I would love to listen to like a
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: deep dive I have investigative like serial style podcast on
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: the band you picked.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: I think that would be interesting for sure.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Uh, Mason, I want to watch like an like a
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: HBO produced documentary. Uh, maybe two part series about the
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: band you picked, Uh, Colin, I want to watch like
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: a fucking movie about this guy's life.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: I don't pick.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: This guy's life would be yeah, it would be insane. Daniel,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: I want to play a D and D campaign based
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: on all of the things. So they're all just like
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: very different, but it's all very different experience, very different
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: flavors of Mountain dew.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: If you what do you want to see about your band?
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: Interactive video game?
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I want to do like an old school
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: like like HS video game where it's like where it's
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: like the people. Uh, like the live action camera stuff.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: I want to do like an old school PC.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: Moto scopes point and click, Moto scopes point and click.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah game, Yeah yeah. I think they're all different experiences.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: Have to do to like get the whole in the heart?
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, a hole in the hard com Your next
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: album is Brainwashed lack a whole.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: Well, guys, great lore.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: I honestly each one of these bands that you guys
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: mentioned never heard of them once, and now I just
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm You're enlightened, That's what I was saying.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: It feels like a cool punk scene.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: It feels cooler.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Should we do this.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: Should we do this every three months?
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: I think that would be really interesting, just to find
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: doubt from something different, different topic. Maybe maybe dangerous band next,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: who knows? Naughty band, the naughtiest band.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 10: The bands that would make your grandmother cry, the cheekiest band.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 10: You can take that a lot of different, I know,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 10: but I feel like you can take naughtiest. I feel
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 10: like we can get into some trouble with that.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: I was trying to get in. Get in trouble, all right,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: get in trouble.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: If we would be really good at the most Christian
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: band however you.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: Want to, that's a good one. I picked Michael Tate.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: I would have guessed d C talk at one and
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: that definitely would not be the truth.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I have so.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: Many DC talk stories from from people. Oh yeah, I
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: have some. I have some stories too.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: You know what would be fun is if we got
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: Max on and we did Kevin Max did. He hates
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: talking about d C talk, Like when when whenever we
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: have him on, he's like, no DC talk And then
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: he's always the one that brings up d C talk.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: But funny, if we if we said all right, only
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: all right one night and one night on Kevin, we
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: won't talk.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: We won't talk DC talk. We'll talk decent.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Christian talk is what we'll talk.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: You go there, you go. Well, guys, thank you so
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: much for hanging out with us. We'll see in the
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: flip side. And we got to do it. Yeah, let's
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: do it again this.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks