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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A young mom is shopping at the grocery store for
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Speaker 2: items for Thanksgiving, chatting on the phone with her mother
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Speaker 2: trying to get a recipe, and then she's never seen
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Speaker 2: alive again.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: and Sirius XM one eleven.
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Speaker 1: How did the whole thing start? Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: Twenty nine year old Kelsey Barett reported missing by her mother, Cheryl.
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Speaker 3: Woodland Park Police Commander Chris Adams says a few days
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Speaker 3: after Thanksgiving, her cell phone pinned nearly eight hundred miles
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Speaker 3: away outside Gooding, Idaho, not far from where she has family.
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Speaker 3: Her brother traveled to her home in Colorado, and after
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Speaker 3: coming through her home, he is certain Kelsey did not
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Speaker 3: pass to go anywhere. Nothing was taken from her home.
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Speaker 3: Her cars are still in Colorado. The only thing missing
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Speaker 3: is her purse.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't like it.
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Speaker 2: Kelsey bare goes missing, the home apparently untouched, no struggle,
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Speaker 2: nothing taken. What happened to Kelsey? I want about her?
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Speaker 2: Baby girl with me an all star panel to make
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Speaker 2: sense of what we have learned. But first to crimeoline
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Speaker 2: dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrest Chuck. Alexis, tell me
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Speaker 2: about the video, the surveillance video in that grocery store
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Speaker 2: that captured Kelsey walking along and we now know speaking
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Speaker 2: to her mother about a Thanksgiving recipe.
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Speaker 1: You know, no matter how.
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Speaker 2: Many times I make homemade dressing, I still ask my
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Speaker 2: mom about it, same thing, A lot of chopped onions,
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Speaker 2: a lot of chopped celery, to where you think it's
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Speaker 2: really too much, but it all melts away into the dressing.
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Speaker 1: I go through the same thing. I make the same corn, read.
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Speaker 2: Chop, squish it up with my hands every year. But
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Speaker 2: I still ask her, and I wonder. I've always wondered,
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Speaker 2: was that what Kelsey was talking to her mother about.
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Speaker 4: That's exactly what she was doing day before Thanksgiving on
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Speaker 4: the phone with her mom. She's getting ready to have
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Speaker 4: make her own meal and she's just walking through the store.
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Speaker 4: She's pushing the cards that she's chatting on the phone,
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Speaker 4: not a care in the world. And that was the
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Speaker 4: last time she was seen in public.
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Speaker 2: We are talking about an incredible young woman. Kelsey Barris,
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Speaker 2: the mother of Kelly, just fourteen months old, when her
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Speaker 2: mom goes missing. Now tell me about Kelsey. I want
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Speaker 2: to know some more, but first listen to our friends
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Speaker 2: at crime Online.
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Speaker 3: Cheryl Barret spoke to her daughter Kelsey the morning of
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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving Day. It was a normal conversation. Kelsey asked for
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Speaker 3: a recipe that she needed. Later that day, Kelsey Bareth
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Speaker 3: was captured by store security cameras at a Safeway store
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Speaker 3: shopping with her daughter. That is the last known time
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Speaker 3: Kelsey Bareth was seen in public. Patrick Frazy is Kelsey
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Speaker 3: Bareth's Beyonce. He told police he last saw Kelsey on
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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving afternoon when he picked up their daughter after Thanksgiving Day.
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Speaker 3: No one has come forward to say they saw or
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Speaker 3: talked to Kelsey Bareth.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got her covered through Thanksgiving. On Thanksgiving morning,
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Speaker 2: she's speaking to her mother about that same recipe that
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Speaker 2: she was shopping for in the Safeway the day before.
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Speaker 2: She sees the fiance who they're set to Mary, he's
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Speaker 2: the father of baby Kelly, and then suddenly everything goes black.
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Speaker 2: It's like you just cut the TV off. There's nothing there.
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Speaker 2: Who is Kelsey Bareth? Very often, let me go to you,
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Speaker 2: doctor Jory Elk crawls and joining a psychologist, former law
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Speaker 2: enforcement also faculty Saint Leo University and consultant with the
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Speaker 2: Blue Wall Institute. You can find him at doctor Jury
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Speaker 2: Jo R e Y dot com.
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Speaker 1: Dr Drury. I always look at the.
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Speaker 2: Victim when I can't figure something out, not to blame
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Speaker 2: the victim, but to figure out their lifestyle. For instance,
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Speaker 2: if my victim, like in the Long Island serial killers case,
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Speaker 2: is a prostitute or as we say now, a sex worker,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to look at where is she advertising, who
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Speaker 2: are her customers? Does she have regulars? What can you
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Speaker 2: tell me about her activities? Does she have a family?
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Speaker 2: Is she likely not to come home one night and
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Speaker 2: nobody notices? But in this case, Kelsey was always home
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Speaker 2: because she was the one taking care of the tap
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Speaker 2: girl Kelly. So I look to her past. When you
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Speaker 2: don't know what a horse is gonna do, you look
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Speaker 2: at the track record. You'll look what they've done before.
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Speaker 2: So isn't that important to you in the study of victimology,
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Speaker 2: doctor Jory.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to be able to predict future behavior,
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Speaker 5: you have to know past behavior. And her past behavior
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Speaker 5: is pretty well, it's documented, it's very consistent. She's a
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Speaker 5: young mother. Her focus is on her child. She's got
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Speaker 5: good connections with her parents, her mother she's interacting with,
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Speaker 5: she's planning for the holidays, so you know, this has
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Speaker 5: probably been repeated several years in her life. She's in
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Speaker 5: a romantic relationship, he's getting ready to be married. So
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Speaker 5: all this is very predictable, and then all of a
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Speaker 5: sudden it goes dark.
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Speaker 1: That's very concerning, very concerning.
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Speaker 2: And according to witnesses that I've spoken with, she would
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Speaker 2: never ever have left Cally on attend.
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Speaker 1: That is not going to happen.
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Speaker 2: But in this case, yeah, yeah, in this case when
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Speaker 2: she went missing, isn't this right? At le sister Aschuk,
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Speaker 2: She wasn't leaving Kelley unattended. The fiance come to pick
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Speaker 2: up Kelly, so Kelly was fine. She wasn't leaving Kelly unattended.
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Speaker 4: No, she wasn't at all, And she had never done
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Speaker 4: that before. Her family was There wasn't even a concern
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Speaker 4: in any way, shape or form. That was nothing she
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Speaker 4: had ever done. As she said, you know, you look
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Speaker 4: at a horses track record. She was a perfect mother.
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Speaker 4: She never there was never anything childish because services was
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Speaker 4: never called. There was never a fire, a concern for
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Speaker 4: the baby's welfare. She was a great mom.
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Speaker 2: Never once had there been a disturbance at her condo,
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Speaker 2: Never once had social services been called, No problems in daycare, nothing.
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Speaker 2: She was completely devoted to Kelley, which makes her disappearance
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Speaker 2: even more concerning.
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Speaker 1: So who's Kelsey Barrett? Listen?
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Speaker 3: Twenty nine year old Kelsey Barrett grew up on a
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Speaker 3: farm in Washington State, but she always dreamed of becoming
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Speaker 3: a commerce pilot. She went to pilot school in Washington
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Speaker 3: and moved to Colorado after meeting her fiancee online. Bareth
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Speaker 3: was a flight instructor at Falcon Air Force Base in
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Speaker 3: Grand Junction before taking her position at DAWs Aviation in Pueblo, Colorado.
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Speaker 3: Her boss says her desk at work had photos of
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Speaker 3: her one year old daughter in Bible versus Kelsey's mother,
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Speaker 3: Cheryl said Kelsey was a great mom, her daughter was
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Speaker 3: her life.
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Speaker 2: Just thinking this whole thing through, I mean. Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 2: is joining me, longtime friend and colleague, forensic expert. She
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Speaker 2: claims we met on a crime scene. I don't know
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Speaker 2: about that. She is the founder and director of the
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Speaker 2: Cold Case Research Institute. She's a for expert, and she's
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Speaker 2: a star of a hit knee podcast series Zone seven. Cheryl,
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Speaker 2: you and I have investigated so many cases where our victim,
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Speaker 2: whose life is just as important.
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Speaker 1: As any other life is.
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Speaker 2: A dope addict, a dope dealer, sometimes a sex worker,
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Speaker 2: a horrible mother of this that, a car sief. How
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Speaker 2: often do you find a victim whose desk is covered
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Speaker 2: with photos of her daughter and Bible versus?
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Speaker 6: It's rare.
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Speaker 7: So when you're looking at is this person doing anything
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Speaker 7: that's going to increase the likelihood that they would go
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Speaker 7: missing on their own or go missing at the hands
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Speaker 7: of somebody else. This woman doesn't check very many boxes.
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Speaker 7: She's a pilot, she works at a base where there's
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Speaker 7: people that could easily protect her. She goes to and
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Speaker 7: from work. She's only with her daughter after that. She's
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Speaker 7: a good mother. She's consistent, she stays in contact with
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Speaker 7: her family. She doesn't disappear for days at a time.
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Speaker 7: She doesn't gamble, she doesn't use drugs. She isn't with
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Speaker 7: people that have a criminal background.
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Speaker 2: I ask you a question, Cheryl McCollum. Of course, very often,
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Speaker 2: and I'm not judging. I don't care you hear moms
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Speaker 2: want to do a girl's getaway. This woman, Kelsey Beareth,
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Speaker 2: she didn't go for me time. She wanted one thing.
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Speaker 1: She wanted to be with that baby.
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Speaker 2: You know, so I believe, Cheryl McCollum that you have
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Speaker 2: been accused of having me time and you call it
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Speaker 2: whine and crying or something like that.
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Speaker 1: But this is woman back to the case. She didn't
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Speaker 1: even want me time.
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Speaker 6: That's right.
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Speaker 8: You know.
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Speaker 7: It's funny because even when my scissors and I playing
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Speaker 7: trips and get away, our foulsis and children are always included.
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Speaker 6: So I agree this woman.
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Speaker 7: What was she doing the last day she was ever
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Speaker 7: seen making Thanksgiving dinner talking to her mom about recipes
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Speaker 7: with the baby in hand.
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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Cheryl, right there, she's making Thanksgiving dinner,
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Speaker 2: which means she didn't plan to go anywhere.
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Speaker 1: She was cooking dinner.
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Speaker 2: I am not slaving over the stove in the oven
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Speaker 2: for three days straight and then not show up to dinner.
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Speaker 1: That's not happening.
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Speaker 2: No, So she was planning to be there that night,
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Speaker 2: Kelsey Bareth was planning to be there that night Prime
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Speaker 2: Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now.
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Speaker 2: In addition to doctor Jewry Cheryl McCollum, Alexis Terreschuk. Is
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Speaker 2: Eric Fattus joining us out of this jurisdiction in Colorado
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Speaker 2: partner of Varner Fattus elite legal. Now I didn't learn
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Speaker 2: that in law school. There is a tear of the
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Speaker 2: law that is elite, Eric Fattis.
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Speaker 4: Is that true?
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Speaker 8: There is and it solely exists here at our ferm
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Speaker 8: in Colorado Act.
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Speaker 4: That's where it is.
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Speaker 2: Eric Fattis joining me from Varner Fattus. This is the
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Speaker 2: part I like, former felony prosecutor criminal defense attorney. Now
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Speaker 2: you can find them at Varnerfattus dot com. Eric, what
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Speaker 2: we're doing right now, and I'm sure you've done it
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Speaker 2: a million times as a prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: You sit around with your colleagues.
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Speaker 2: Now, I know that starts like you're going to have lunch,
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Speaker 2: you're having a good old time.
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Speaker 1: But what you're doing is you're.
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Speaker 2: Talking about all the facts of the case, because each
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Speaker 2: fact can be broken down and could very well be probative,
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Speaker 2: in other words, prove something at trial. For instance, she
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Speaker 2: was last seen by the public. We know where fiance
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Speaker 2: came and picked up the baby later, but she was
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Speaker 2: seen in public on safeway security cam going up and
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Speaker 2: down the aisles. I believe she's talking on the phone.
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Speaker 2: All right, Then her mother speaks to her on Thanksgiving morning,
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Speaker 2: she's still cooking. She's asking it again about this recipe.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean? That means she was cooking dinner
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Speaker 2: and she planned to be around that evening for Thanksgiving dinner.
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Speaker 2: If you break apart each fact, which is your duty
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Speaker 2: to do as a prosecutor or a defense attorney, you
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Speaker 2: kind of get into the mind of the victim.
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Speaker 1: You can parse a fact, slice it.
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Speaker 2: Up, and realize it proves so many different things.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Nanta, I mean you've got to explore the nuances
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Speaker 8: as a prosecutor, right, these small details can really elucidate
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Speaker 8: what your case is going to be. And like you said,
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Speaker 8: you know, in talking you're sort of round tabling these
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Speaker 8: cases at the DA's office. You're also trying to think
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Speaker 8: about what potential defenses could be. And here, you know,
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Speaker 8: in a disappearance case, you think, oh, is the defense
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Speaker 8: going to argue suicide? Are they going to argue that
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Speaker 8: this was someone else other than their clients? But as
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Speaker 8: Cheryl said, there are no indicators that Kelsey was at
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Speaker 8: risk or living a reckless lifestyle or did you like that?
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Speaker 8: And so you're able to kind of undermined those defenses
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Speaker 8: from the outsit and you.
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Speaker 2: Know you're gonna lae. But what about this Eric Fattis?
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Speaker 2: I would even want to know did she buy a
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Speaker 2: whole turkey? Okay, sure I get a whole turkey. In fact,
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Speaker 2: we have a turkey off every Thanksgiving. I bake a
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Speaker 2: turkey in the oven. My husband smokes a turkey one year,
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Speaker 2: even fried one. And then we compare, and everybody that
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Speaker 2: eats with us compares. They always vote for a David.
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Speaker 2: Of course that's not true. They're just trying to spare
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Speaker 2: his feelings. I'm sure they really like mine better. But
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Speaker 2: that said, did she just get a turkey breast like
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Speaker 2: that big? Did she get some slice slices of turkey
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Speaker 2: you can get that at the grocery store, or did
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Speaker 2: she get the whole thing? My point is how many
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Speaker 2: people was she expecting to feed? Were they coming to
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Speaker 2: her home? Who were they? Did they know about her life?
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Speaker 2: Were they just neighbors, were they family?
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Speaker 1: Who were they? I want to know who's coming over
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Speaker 1: for dinner.
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Speaker 2: I want to know every single thing, right down to
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Speaker 2: what size turkey, sheep and how much does she got
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Speaker 2: at the grocery store? Because I want to know who
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Speaker 2: was in her life and who was coming over. But
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Speaker 2: there was no turkey dinner. That never happened.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 3: A few days after her disappearance, detectives say a text
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Speaker 3: message was sent from her phone to her employer saying
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Speaker 3: she would not be showing up to work for a week.
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Speaker 3: The following week, another text was sent to her fiance.
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Speaker 3: Cell phone tower data indicates her phone was hundreds of
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Speaker 3: miles outside Gooding, Idaho, but investigators have not found Barrett there.
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Speaker 2: When the person starts missing work, Alexis Treschuk, this is
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Speaker 2: a woman that had gone out and gotten her pilot's license.
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Speaker 1: She was a professional pilot. She bought her own home.
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Speaker 2: She was raising her daughter alone with the biodett having
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Speaker 2: regular visitation.
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Speaker 1: She was doing it all on her own.
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Speaker 2: She never missed a work appointment, she never missed a flight,
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Speaker 2: not one blemish.
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Speaker 1: On her aviation record at all.
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Speaker 2: And now she calls in sick, No, no, no text texts.
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Speaker 1: And then her phone is pinging. Where did her phone
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Speaker 1: ping at?
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Speaker 4: Alexis Trestchuck, eight hundred miles away in Idaho. And she
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Speaker 4: didn't just say I'm going to be out for one day.
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Speaker 4: She said I'm going to be gone for a week.
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's not what you tell your boss if
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Speaker 4: you're sicking a week off because one day you're sick,
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Speaker 4: I'm not coming in fine. A week is not how
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Speaker 4: people do things.
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Speaker 1: And what about your baby?
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Speaker 2: Have you made any arrangements for someone to take care
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Speaker 2: of the baby. The dad just comes picks up the
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Speaker 2: baby for a visitation and then you just leave without
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Speaker 2: any plans at all. Hey, I've got to go out
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Speaker 2: of town on a trip. I'll be back on this date.
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Speaker 2: This is where I am. Here's my location. In case
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Speaker 2: there's some kind of an emergency, call me, let's FaceTime.
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Speaker 2: Blah blah.
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Speaker 4: Right, none of that, No, nothing at all, nothing nothing.
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Speaker 4: And the time I was found eight hundred miles away.
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Speaker 2: You do know when I go to any courthouse like
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Speaker 2: I was just in Idaho, I'm Brian Coberger. I was
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Speaker 2: just at the Ego Black Courthouse for your Vandersloot's sentencing,
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Speaker 2: that piece of crap. I travel to Manhattan to shoot
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Speaker 2: the ID Investigation Discovery show in New York. If I
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Speaker 2: did not have FaceTime I would be miserable, miserable because
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Speaker 2: they can't talk see the twins. So you want to
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Speaker 2: tell me Kelsey bears just takes off for a week
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Speaker 2: with no plan to.
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Speaker 1: FaceTime, to talk, nothing with the baby, Kelly. I don't
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Speaker 1: believe it.
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Speaker 6: No, there was.
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Speaker 4: She was sending text messages. Family's getting a text message.
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Speaker 2: A baby doesn't want a text message, Alexis.
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Speaker 1: No baby wants a text. Babies don't have cell phones, Alexis.
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Speaker 2: They want to talk to mommy, they want to see mommy,
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Speaker 2: they want to be with mommy.
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Speaker 1: But then the day's drag on.
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Speaker 2: Let's listen to Chief Miles de Young from Woodland PD.
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Speaker 9: Based on information developed during the course of this investigation,
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Speaker 9: and because of the length of time it's been twenty
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Speaker 9: three days that has passed since Kelsey was last seen,
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Speaker 9: our investigators believe that Kelsey's disappearance is more suspicious in
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Speaker 9: that she is not intentionally avoiding efforts to find her.
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Speaker 9: We are looking at all avenues and our focus is
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Speaker 9: on finding Kelsey. Investigators of Tina search warrant today correction
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Speaker 9: yesterday on a property nearby in Teller County, Colorado. That
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Speaker 9: search is currently being conducted. This property is where Patrick
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Speaker 9: Frazy is knowing to reside.
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Speaker 2: So her Kelsey Barrett's phone payings eight hundred eight hundred
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Speaker 2: miles away. Yet the Woodland Park PD is searching a
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Speaker 2: nearby property, a farm belonging to bio dad fiance Patrick. Phrasey, listen,
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Speaker 2: we are asking Patrick to sit down with an investigator
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Speaker 2: since he is the last person to talk with.
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Speaker 9: Kelsey face to face. Based on our investigation, there have
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Speaker 9: been numerous questions about whether Patrick is a suspect or
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Speaker 9: a person of interest. At this point, we are considering
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Speaker 9: every possibility and I'm not willing to jump to conclusions
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Speaker 9: or label people involved in this highly complex investigation. Do
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Speaker 9: I think Kelseys still alive? That's absolutely a possibility, and
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Speaker 9: that is our hope.
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Speaker 10: What was the probable cause.
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Speaker 8: To search the home?
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Speaker 9: So in order for us to get a search warrant
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Speaker 9: we have to have enough information for a judge to
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Speaker 9: sign off on it. We did have enough information. A
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Speaker 9: judge did sign off on that search warrant, and that's
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Speaker 9: all I can comment on that sealed search warrant.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, why did it take so long?
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Speaker 2: And to you Eric Fatt as partner Varner Fattus Elite
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Speaker 2: Legal in that jurisdiction of Colorado. Could you explain in
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Speaker 2: simple terms, we're not the Colorado Court of Appeals.
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Speaker 1: You don't need to impress us with Latin phrases.
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Speaker 2: The difference between a POI person of interest and a suspect.
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Speaker 8: You know, these are terms of art that law enforcement uses.
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Speaker 8: You know, suspect is when you know, they really believe
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Speaker 8: that this person have some criminal involvement, whereas person of
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Speaker 8: interest is kind of just you know, they're associated in
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Speaker 8: some way, you know, with the investigation.
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Speaker 2: Would you agree, Eric Fadas, You started off by saying
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Speaker 2: it was a term of art.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is.
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Speaker 2: If the cops say you're a suspect, then all sorts
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Speaker 2: of constitutional protections immediately surround you.
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Speaker 1: If you're a POI. Maybe not.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that a lot of those constitutional amendments
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Speaker 8: and rights can attach once the person is a suspect.
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Speaker 8: Certainly once they're being interrogated by law enforcement, maybe they're
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Speaker 8: being detained in custody during that interrogation. That is when
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Speaker 8: those rights, rights to an attorney, rights to remain silent,
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Speaker 8: that's when those rights really attack. Where a person of interest,
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Speaker 8: it's a lot more kind of squished.
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Speaker 2: And of course, doctor Jory Crawson. Of course you're going
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Speaker 2: to look at the fiance. You know, get used to it.
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Speaker 2: Every fiance, husband X, former boyfriend that goes for women too, wife,
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Speaker 2: girlfriend X.
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Speaker 1: You're the first suspect.
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Speaker 2: They're looking at you first, because statistically, doctor Jory Craws
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Speaker 2: and that's who did it statistically, not always but often,
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Speaker 2: but that's that's correct.
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Speaker 5: And that would be being a police officer too in
20:35
Speaker 5: handling cases like this, they would be the first person
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Speaker 5: we would go to as far as again starting to
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Speaker 5: establish background information and look for any deviation in her
20:46
Speaker 5: background history of behavior like the one with the child,
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Speaker 5: leaving the child with him and then just disappearing. I mean,
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Speaker 5: that doesn't make any logical sense or even psychological sense
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Speaker 5: for the victim.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more from Chief Miles Deyong.
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Speaker 9: And why did it take so long.
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Speaker 6: Before the homework start?
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Speaker 9: That's a very good question. Why did it take so
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Speaker 9: long to search the home? There are a number of
21:10
Speaker 9: other things that we have done up to this point
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Speaker 9: that have led to us being able to search the
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Speaker 9: residents at this point.
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Speaker 10: And your remarks you just said that you were asking
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Speaker 10: us crazy to talk with the investigators. His lawyer has
21:21
Speaker 10: been saying that you've been cooperative as something changed.
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Speaker 11: Why did you specifically publicly ask him to talk to
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Speaker 11: you about We have yet.
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Speaker 9: To have him sit down with one of our investigators,
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Speaker 9: and that's what we're asking for, is just for him
21:31
Speaker 9: to sit down with an investigator, since he was the
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Speaker 9: last person to talk with Kelsey face to pacement. What
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Speaker 9: we can tell if you say no when you're asking
21:38
Speaker 9: him to do this not just time.
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Speaker 11: Have you asked him outside of this press conference to
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Speaker 11: sit down with you?
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Speaker 1: Is he refusing that conversation begetting.
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Speaker 9: With us through his attorney. That's about all I can.
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Speaker 2: Say on that.
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Speaker 1: Did he deny you're searching the residents to begin with?
21:52
Speaker 2: That's just part of the investigation speaking to us through
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Speaker 2: his lawyers. Cheryl McCollum with me, forensic expert at Coldcasecrimes
22:01
Speaker 2: dot Org. Cheryl, that stinks. You know who I always
22:06
Speaker 2: hold up as the gold standard, Mark Classing. You know
22:08
Speaker 2: this mart Class's daughter Polly went missing from a spend
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Speaker 2: the night party at the mom's house. They come beating
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Speaker 2: down Mark's door. He's like, come in, you don't need
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Speaker 2: a warrant search my whole place. Search my car, search
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Speaker 2: my garage, search my office, take my blood, take my fingerprints,
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Speaker 2: do whatever you have to do so you can go
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Speaker 2: out and find the person that really took my daughter.
22:34
Speaker 2: And now this guy will only speak to the PD
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Speaker 2: through his lawyers.
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Speaker 6: Really, that's a big old red flag.
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Speaker 7: And the other thing is we already know she's the
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Speaker 7: last person to see her alive.
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Speaker 6: And then we work backwards talk to her mama.
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Speaker 7: She wanted that recipe to feed how many people? One,
22:54
Speaker 7: four or five?
22:55
Speaker 6: Because here's what we know.
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Speaker 7: There weren't a whole bunch of guests that showed up
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Speaker 7: Thanksgiving and she didn't answer the door, So why was
23:03
Speaker 7: it she reported missing earlier?
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Cheryl exactly. So the chief of police is being
23:09
Speaker 2: asked about the boyfriend, the fiance, Patrick Frasey, what happened
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Speaker 2: to Kelsey. But there's a very disturbing reason that guests
23:22
Speaker 2: were not invited into the home for Thanksgiving dinner. And
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Speaker 2: let's just hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a
23:30
Speaker 2: listen to the mistress of Patrick Frasey. Now remember he's
23:39
Speaker 2: engaged to Kelsey Baarth. They're going to get married. Kelsey
23:42
Speaker 2: has given birth to his baby girl. Right, So, who
23:46
Speaker 2: the hey is a so called rodeo queen Crystal Lee?
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Speaker 1: And what does she say she observed inside Kelsey's home? Listen?
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Speaker 11: There I blood all over the coorb.
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Speaker 1: The wall, follow on the wall, and.
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Speaker 11: I didn't see anything or the perfectly hold between the bathroom. Okay, so, but.
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Speaker 2: I didn't see anything.
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Speaker 1: There might have been one.
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Speaker 3: There were long board but they're on the.
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Speaker 11: Floor, all over the floor.
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Speaker 10: And there when I may have been one foot or
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Speaker 10: anything here, but I don't spyfically remember, Okay.
24:36
Speaker 3: I like the thing.
24:39
Speaker 1: I like the toilet, the bottle of toilet.
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Speaker 11: I turned on the power and there was.
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Speaker 6: Off in the bottom.
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Speaker 1: I didn't see anything in the bottom of the power.
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Speaker 2: She's as calm and cool as a cucumber, isn't she?
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Speaker 1: I mean, did you hear what she says? I walked.
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Speaker 2: When I first walked in, I saw blood all over
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Speaker 2: the floor. I saw blood up the wall. There was
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Speaker 2: a lot of blood on the floor, all over the floor.
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Speaker 2: There may have been bloody footprints. I wiped the sink down,
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Speaker 2: I wipe the toilet. At the top of the toilet,
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Speaker 2: I turned on the shower just in case there was
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Speaker 2: stuff in the bottom.
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Speaker 1: She sounds like she's reading off the grocery list.
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Speaker 2: I'll take a pound of ground beef and let's see
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Speaker 2: some tomato paste. That's what she sounds like to Tim Gallagher,
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Speaker 2: a special guest joining US Medical Examiner for the State
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Speaker 2: of Florida, lecturer University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine,
25:37
Speaker 2: and importantly the founder of the International Forensic Medicine Death
25:44
Speaker 2: Investigation Conference. You can find him at pathcaremed dot com.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Gallagher, how much blood is in the human body, Well, there.
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Speaker 12: Are approximately five leaders of blood in the human body.
25:59
Speaker 12: That's about five quarts of blood in the human body.
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Speaker 12: In order to get somebody to die from the sanguination,
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Speaker 12: which is the loss of blood, they must lose about
26:12
Speaker 12: three quarts of that blood, you know, to enact the
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Speaker 12: fatal response.
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Speaker 2: So you are saying the human body has about five
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Speaker 2: quarts of.
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Speaker 12: Blood, exactly right. It has about five quarts of blood,
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Speaker 12: a little more, a little.
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Speaker 1: Less, a little over, like a gallon of milk.
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Speaker 6: Right about it.
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Speaker 12: If you think about a gallon of milk and then
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Speaker 12: a quart of milk sitting next to it, that's about
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Speaker 12: how much blood the average human body has.
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Speaker 1: In it is.
26:37
Speaker 2: It based on how big the person is, Like a
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Speaker 2: person that weighs one hundred pounds has less blood than
26:42
Speaker 2: a person that weighs three hundred pounds.
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Speaker 12: It is and also depends on what's going on with them.
26:47
Speaker 12: For instance, women typically have a little bit of a
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Speaker 12: little less blood, but if they're pregnant or if they're heavy,
26:53
Speaker 12: they do their body does tend to produce extra blood
26:57
Speaker 12: to compensate for the extra issue and compensate for the
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Speaker 12: extra weight, even compensate for the fetus that may be
27:06
Speaker 12: just dating inside of her. So it just depends on
27:09
Speaker 12: a lot of things. But on the average at least
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Speaker 12: a gallon, if not more than that.
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Speaker 2: I'm thinking this through that this woman, Crystal Lee Kenney
27:21
Speaker 2: as I call her, the Rodeo Queen, and I call
27:26
Speaker 2: her that because she was voted the Rodeo Queen, goes
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Speaker 2: into this home and she sees Cheryl McCollum about a
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Speaker 2: gallon of human blood all over the floor, up the walls.
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Speaker 2: Does she call nine one one, No, she doesn't call
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Speaker 2: nine one one. She starts cleaning up.
27:49
Speaker 1: And if I'm right, Alexis.
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Speaker 2: Terreschuk, didn't she have on like I has matt suit,
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Speaker 2: a protective suit with rubber gloves.
27:57
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're pre cat.
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Speaker 4: She has booty gloves, a white suit at a sing
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Speaker 4: on her hair hair not She was fully like, breaking bad?
28:08
Speaker 7: Would that be a good comparison.
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Speaker 2: So, in other words, she didn't go in and was
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Speaker 2: surprised Cheryl McCollum. She went in with her mop and
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Speaker 2: broom and her rubber gloves and booties on.
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, there was nobody better than you to paint
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Speaker 7: a picture for a jury, so I want to try
28:25
Speaker 7: to paint a picture. There was blood on the floor,
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Speaker 7: on the walls, on the carpet behind the sofa, on
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Speaker 7: the window, fields, on kitchen applanch is, on the pillows.
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Speaker 6: On the sofa.
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Speaker 7: But let me tell you she found blood flattered on
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Speaker 7: the baby stuffed animals. She found so much flattered with
28:51
Speaker 7: blood that she filled six trash bags of items she
28:57
Speaker 7: couldn't clean.
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about this mom who was planning this
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Speaker 2: beautiful meal for her family. She's gone, her phone is
29:05
Speaker 2: paying eight hundred miles away, and now you've got her
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Speaker 2: fiance's mistress waltzing around cleaning it up with a mop
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Speaker 2: in a room. No wonder the place looks spotless when
29:14
Speaker 2: police got there.
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Speaker 1: Listen, did you see that you clean off some of
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Speaker 1: the plans?
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Speaker 8: I did?
29:19
Speaker 1: I wipe the p There was blown in front of
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Speaker 1: the dishwasher.
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Speaker 11: There was blowing in front of the boat.
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Speaker 2: There was that finamonal hand had blood.
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Speaker 7: On the well.
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Speaker 10: Ahamed, okay, son, go back.
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Speaker 3: There was a ten foil on top.
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Speaker 7: And what did you do with the ten foil?
29:38
Speaker 12: The game?
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Speaker 6: Right?
29:41
Speaker 3: Okay?
29:43
Speaker 2: There would hop up hoping her that would blood.
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Speaker 10: In fact, I had a pima under of them on
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Speaker 10: fire up, Hya, how would you?
29:57
Speaker 2: And more?
29:58
Speaker 3: I moved to the cat.
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Speaker 11: I wiped the cap off. There was one behind the
30:04
Speaker 11: couch down the wall. There there are one dan important dand.
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Speaker 10: Right there by the couch and the lamp and.
30:10
Speaker 11: That basket were on it. I worked from that pick
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Speaker 11: all the way around, did the other fair and then
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Speaker 11: I did the bathroom and.
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Speaker 2: The kitchen and mom or so she cleaned off the
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Speaker 2: coffee maker, She moved the couch. She lopped and cleaned
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Speaker 2: and shined and sparkled.
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Speaker 1: The entire home. But there's more blood. Listen, was there
30:41
Speaker 1: any blood?
30:45
Speaker 12: There's blowing chair, there's blowing in the chair, there's blowing
30:49
Speaker 12: people there's blown mag was getting there.
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Speaker 1: Blood everywhere. So did she call nine one one?
30:58
Speaker 2: No, she did it to you. Alexis Teroschuk. What happened
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Speaker 2: to Kelsey Barren?
31:05
Speaker 4: Her fiance, the father of her child, murdered her. He
31:09
Speaker 4: planned it four months and he even tried to get
31:15
Speaker 4: this girlfriend to do it with him. He tried to
31:17
Speaker 4: have her poison her. He said, you need to go
31:20
Speaker 4: fill up her Starbucks cup of coffee with poison and
31:24
Speaker 4: give it to her. He was planning to kill her
31:27
Speaker 4: for a month in any way that he could, and
31:29
Speaker 4: he finally went into the house, took a baseball back
31:33
Speaker 4: and beat her. Beat her so much, but she was
31:37
Speaker 4: actually able to say he didn't he put up. He said,
31:40
Speaker 4: let's play a game. I got all these great candles.
31:43
Speaker 4: Let's you put in a blind hold and tell me
31:45
Speaker 4: if you can tell what they are. Sort of maybe
31:47
Speaker 4: a romantic game before then we go in the bedroom.
31:50
Speaker 4: So she puts on the blindfold and he doesn't light
31:52
Speaker 4: the candles. He beats her over the head with a
31:54
Speaker 4: baseball bat, beats her all over the house, chases her
31:57
Speaker 4: around the house, blood body part flying everywhere. There was
32:01
Speaker 4: even a tooth In event that he had his girlfriend cleanup.
32:06
Speaker 4: He slaughtered her, and then he took her body eight
32:10
Speaker 4: hundred miles away to Idaho and he burned it in
32:13
Speaker 4: the field behind his home.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, the tooth they found, just.
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Speaker 2: This baby is going to grow up and know everything
32:24
Speaker 2: that we're saying and the level of planning trying to
32:28
Speaker 2: put the mistress up to killing his fiance. I mean, Cheryl,
32:33
Speaker 2: they weren't even married. They could just break up right.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: The crime Sayne shows the level of depravity of the fiance.
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Speaker 1: Patrick.
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Speaker 7: When you go into a scene like that, you're gonna
33:02
Speaker 7: look for cast off patterns from that baseball bat and
33:06
Speaker 7: you're gonna be able to determine how many times he
33:09
Speaker 7: hit her in that direction, everywhere that blood landed, You're
33:13
Speaker 7: gonna be able to see where he was stick.
33:15
Speaker 6: Did he walk around and just keep hitting her?
33:19
Speaker 7: And Nancy, let's talk about the other girlfriend for a minute.
33:23
Speaker 7: For eight hundred miles she drove, so every mile she
33:30
Speaker 7: had eight hundred times, she could have turned around eight
33:35
Speaker 7: hundred times.
33:36
Speaker 6: She could have.
33:36
Speaker 7: Called her family or a friend or the police, and
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Speaker 7: she didn't. At no time when she was cleaning that
33:45
Speaker 7: scene for four hours.
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Speaker 6: Did she call anybody?
33:49
Speaker 4: At no time?
33:50
Speaker 7: When she drove back home eight hundred miles did she
33:54
Speaker 7: call while she stood there and watched him burn an
33:59
Speaker 7: innocent person.
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Speaker 2: She called nobody actually speaking of the burning. She then
34:05
Speaker 2: takes investigators on a tour of the farm where she
34:10
Speaker 2: stood by, knowing that Patrick Frasey was burning the body
34:15
Speaker 2: of this young mom Kelsey Barres.
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Speaker 1: Listen, we talked.
34:19
Speaker 10: For probably an hour hour and a half. He needed
34:26
Speaker 10: to do his choice, you and anybody, the little girl.
34:30
Speaker 11: I carried the little girl around while he finished his choric.
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Speaker 2: Her tone.
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Speaker 3: That girl.
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Speaker 1: Got in the little girl with Nolan. From there, I
34:46
Speaker 1: told him I have to leave.
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Speaker 10: He gave me healthy's phone and gave me instructions on what.
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Speaker 2: To do with the phone. Woman, you can ride in
34:58
Speaker 2: hell right along with Patrick Fraser.
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Speaker 1: She's like, he did this, and he did this, and
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Speaker 1: he told me to do this, and he told me
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Speaker 1: to do that. You're part of it.
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Speaker 2: Rodeo Queen, You're going to have supper with Satan, mark
35:10
Speaker 2: my words.
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Speaker 1: And that's not all. Listen.
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Speaker 11: Palette from member to fire the material from her home
35:22
Speaker 11: and those were in what garbage bag and garbage bag.
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Speaker 1: Black garbage bags, white garbage.
35:31
Speaker 11: Bag, two white garbage bags that I believe for black
35:34
Speaker 11: garbage bag. The gaff in the motor oil. There were
35:40
Speaker 11: a couple of bucket. You pour gaftholine in the bucket
35:44
Speaker 11: and pitched it in the fire, and.
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Speaker 1: She stood by And why should it happen?
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Speaker 2: And I guarantee you that there were members of Patrick
35:52
Speaker 2: Frazy's family that knew exactly what was going on. So
35:57
Speaker 2: he's the devil and she's built zbob. But how does
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Speaker 2: that play out? Listen to our cut twelve again. The
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Speaker 2: Chief of Police, Miles de Young.
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Speaker 9: Today we arrested Patrick Frasey on charges of first degree
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Speaker 9: murder of Kelsey Bareth and he is currently being held
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Speaker 9: in the Teller County Jail. As a reminder, Patrick Frasey
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Speaker 9: has presumed innocent until proven guilty. Patrick Frasey was taken
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Speaker 9: into custody this morning in Florisa and Colorado just after
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Speaker 9: seven o'clock this morning Mountain Standard time by members of
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Speaker 9: the multi jurisdictional task force, including the Teller County Sheriff's
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Speaker 9: Office and the FBI. Patrick was taken to the Teller
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Speaker 9: County Jail or he'll be held Kelsey's daughter, Kayley, is
36:43
Speaker 9: in protective custody and will be reunited with Kelsey's family.
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Speaker 2: I want you to hear what the prosecutor had to
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Speaker 2: say in our cut twenty.
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Speaker 13: One, Crystal and tells us that on October I'm sorry.
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Speaker 13: November twenty second, thanks, Patrick kills Kelsey in a horrific
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Speaker 13: manner with a bat in the back of the head
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Speaker 13: as Kelsey is sniffing candles with a blindfold over her eyes.
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Speaker 13: Crystal tells us that Patrick then calls her after he
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Speaker 13: has put Kelsey in a black plastic tote, calls Crystal
37:23
Speaker 13: to count and help him clean up. She does not
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Speaker 13: come out that day. She cannot come out that day,
37:29
Speaker 13: but she does come out, and as Crystal describes, when
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Speaker 13: she walks into Kelsey's condo, the scene is horrific. There's
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Speaker 13: blood everywhere, there are bloody footprints everywhere, and Crystal cleans
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Speaker 13: up blood but leaves behind some telltale evidence for our
37:48
Speaker 13: investigators to find.
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Speaker 2: Phrasey is convicted, but guess what. He has appealed his conviction.
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Speaker 2: His first appeal was rejected by the Core of Appeal.
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Speaker 1: But guess what. Crystal, the rodeo.
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Speaker 2: Queen as we call her because she was in fact
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Speaker 2: voted a rodeo Queen.
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Speaker 1: Crystal Kenney is walking free. Why is that? Why is that?
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Speaker 1: Alexis teshuck Well.
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Speaker 4: She was sentenced to she took a plea deal. She
38:20
Speaker 4: was the star witness. She had a deal with the
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Speaker 4: prosecutors that she would tell them everything she knew and
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Speaker 4: they would only sentence her to about eighteen months. So
38:29
Speaker 4: plea happened. The judge said, I'm going to give you
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Speaker 4: more time because this is such a horrific crime and
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Speaker 4: even though you cooperated, you didn't do anything to stop
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Speaker 4: this crime.
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Speaker 6: You had hundreds of miles.
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Speaker 4: So judge said to her, you could have called the police,
38:43
Speaker 4: you could have called anybody. You didn't have to cover
38:46
Speaker 4: this up, and you knew it was going to happen
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Speaker 4: ahead of time. So he gave her a longer sentence.
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Speaker 4: She appealed that the appellate court ruled in her favor,
38:55
Speaker 4: so he had to reverse the longer sentence and give
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Speaker 4: her eighteen months in prison, and she had already served that,
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Speaker 4: so she got out. She got she was basically out
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Speaker 4: a prison in a mirror eighteen months and one has
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Speaker 4: one year of predation.
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Speaker 2: So this woman who mocked up. Kelsey's blood is walking
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Speaker 2: free to you, Eric Fattis, You know, I have a
39:20
Speaker 2: saying that I've told Juri's before. Sometimes you got to
39:24
Speaker 2: go to hell to get your witness to put the
39:26
Speaker 2: devil in jail. Sometimes you cut a deal, whether you
39:31
Speaker 2: like it or not, so you can get the main perpetrator.
39:35
Speaker 2: But frankly, in this case, I don't think they needed
39:38
Speaker 2: Crystal Kenney. I think they could have proven the case
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Speaker 2: against Phrasey without her, and she could be in jail
39:45
Speaker 2: right now too.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, Nancy, it's a tough call because murderers
39:49
Speaker 8: don't hang out with mother. Teresa's right that they're hanging
39:52
Speaker 8: out with kind of the bottom of the barrel. And
39:54
Speaker 8: you know, enter into the chat Crystal leave Hetty. She
39:58
Speaker 8: did have a lot of information in terms of confessions
40:01
Speaker 8: that Patrick Crazy had made to her regarding the killing,
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Speaker 8: regarding the cover up, regarding intending to do something best
40:08
Speaker 8: to the victim, and so testimony was certainly valuable to
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Speaker 8: the prosecutors needed to convict him. That that part is
40:15
Speaker 8: still kind of an open.
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Speaker 2: Question, you know what, Cheryl Mcconnolly's a terrible, terrible taste
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Speaker 2: in my mouth, as we approach Thanksgiving to think about
40:23
Speaker 2: what happened to Kelsey Barras and by burning her body,
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Speaker 2: her little girl, Kelly doesn't even have a grave or
40:34
Speaker 2: mark her, nothing to go and visit, nothing at all.
40:39
Speaker 7: Patrick made it clear to Crystal he wanted Kelsey dad.
40:44
Speaker 7: He asked her to do it three times, three times
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Speaker 7: Nancy and told her how to do it. And when
40:52
Speaker 7: you think about who could have stopped this, she was
40:57
Speaker 7: the only one that could have. Crystal is the only
40:59
Speaker 7: one it could have stopped.
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Speaker 2: It, Doctor Tim Gallagher. When you burn a body, do
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Speaker 2: you get rid?
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Speaker 1: Can you get rid of?
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Speaker 2: And I mean it's not an incinerator, it's a fire.
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Speaker 2: Can you actually let the fire burn until there's no
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Speaker 2: trace of human bones left?
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Speaker 1: Or is that impossible?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, that's impossible.
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Speaker 5: With a wood fire.
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Speaker 12: The wood fire probably reaches about fourteen hundred degrees, And
41:27
Speaker 12: if you really want to incinerate somebody as they do
41:29
Speaker 12: in cremation, you have to use propane gas or natural gas,
41:35
Speaker 12: and that fire has to reach well over three thousand degrees.
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Speaker 12: Even still, you would still have some bone remains which
41:42
Speaker 12: would be ground up at the crematorium, but teeth can remain.
41:48
Speaker 12: Dental work can remain, and some other long the ends
41:54
Speaker 12: of your long bones, for instance, your femurs, your humorous bone,
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Speaker 12: those tend to remain in spite of the high temperatures
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Speaker 12: as well.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Gallagher, I got a question for you leading up,
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Speaker 2: pulling up on something you just said before I forget it.
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Speaker 2: We know that Patrick Frazy poured gas in motor oil
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Speaker 2: onto the fire, when that have worked as an accelerant,
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Speaker 2: that may have gotten rid of all trace of her bones.
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think of how the prosecutor could
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Speaker 2: prove this case without using the rodeo queen and putting
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Speaker 2: her behind bars for life too.
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Speaker 12: Right, So the gasoline would accelerate the burning of the
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Speaker 12: body temporarily, it'll burn off very quickly, within five ten minutes,
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Speaker 12: that'll be gone. But what it does is it ignites
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Speaker 12: the wood, you know, and that's what perpetuates the fire.
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Speaker 12: So even they're using gasoline in the beginning, that's not
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Speaker 12: going to have any effect on the loss the total
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Speaker 12: loss of all the bone or all the DNA material.
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Speaker 12: That just sets the wood on fire.
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Speaker 2: Guys, well, I think about Kelsey Bareth and her little girl, Kelly,
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Speaker 2: who we continue to pray for it makes our Thanksgiving
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Speaker 2: all the more sweet. When we gather with our friends
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Speaker 2: and family, or even on our own, and we thank
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Speaker 2: God for our lives and all of our blessings.
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Speaker 1: I pause, and I think.
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Speaker 2: About all those people less fortunate than we are, And
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Speaker 2: I think about little Keeley every Thanksgiving and how she gets.
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Speaker 1: Through that day.
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Speaker 2: I'll finish with this rodeo Queen Crystal Lee Kenney, You're
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Speaker 2: going to Hell, and guess who you'll meet at the
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Speaker 2: front gate.
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Speaker 1: Patrick Phrasey, Goodbye friends,