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Did Tyra Banks Take It Too Far? ( Exclusive interview with Toccara Jones) · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything
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  Speaker 1: and everybody, you know, if.
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  Speaker 2: You don't lie about that.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Hey, y'all, what's up. It's Laura l. Rosa and
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  Speaker 3: this is the latest with Laura l. Rosa.
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  Speaker 1: This is your DELI dig on all things pop culture, entertainment, news,
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  Speaker 1: and all of the conversations that shake the room.
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  Speaker 3: Baby. Now we are going to go right on end
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  Speaker 3: because y'all know, I take y'all in.
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  Speaker 1: We're going right on into the middle of a conversation
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  Speaker 1: that has begin online.
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  Speaker 3: America's Next Top Model.
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  Speaker 1: There is a docu series that is dropping on Netflix
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  Speaker 1: that will be diving into America's Next Top Model for
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  Speaker 1: what it seems like some of the bad, some of
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  Speaker 1: the good, some of the ugly, and it seems like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Tyra Banks, you know, is going to be
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  Speaker 1: taking some accountability for some things.
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  Speaker 3: So in all things America's.
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  Speaker 1: Next Top Model, I had to go get one of
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  Speaker 1: my phase from the show.
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  Speaker 3: Ever, mister Carr Jones, let it go me.
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  Speaker 2: I love you so much? How are you?
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  Speaker 3: How are you? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: At this point, it's like when the people watch this
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  Speaker 1: Netflix series and like this new generation who's seen the
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  Speaker 1: memes and heard the things discovered the show girl, you
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  Speaker 1: were gonna get your the love that you were gonna
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  Speaker 1: refeel all over again. I'm excited for that for you.
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  Speaker 1: If nothing else, I'm excited for that.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. No, I feel in love every day.
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  Speaker 2: I mean every day.
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  Speaker 4: Literally there's some woman that's coming up to me telling
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  Speaker 4: me how, you know, I really hit help shape her
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  Speaker 4: body image, self image of herself. So yeah, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited too, but I always feel the love. I
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  Speaker 4: guess that's why they didn't put me in the documentary.
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  Speaker 4: They was like, girl, you got a good story.
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  Speaker 1: So wait okay, because yes, okay, look so that was
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  Speaker 1: one of my questions. Now the documentary is called or
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  Speaker 1: the docuseries, it's called Reality Check Inside America's Next Top Model.
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  Speaker 1: And when they posted Netflix day posted the trailer and
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  Speaker 1: you know you only get to see but so much.
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  Speaker 3: But it's cut so well right right right right.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's like, oh my god, they're going to get into
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  Speaker 1: all the bs because all the models hated it and
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  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And I'm like, but I mean, there
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  Speaker 1: have been some conversations about experiences that you had on
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  Speaker 1: the show. But I know you had from what it
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  Speaker 1: seems like after the show you had, it helped to
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  Speaker 1: do a lot of the things you wanted to do,
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  Speaker 1: just career wise.
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  Speaker 3: So is that why you weren't call, Like they didn't
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  Speaker 3: contact you at all.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, and.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say they didn't contact me, and maybe
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  Speaker 4: they just couldn't find me.
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  Speaker 2: Girl.
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  Speaker 1: Now look, we the people know where to You're everywhere,
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  Speaker 1: you're on shows, you're on sets, you're all over Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: You ain't hard to find.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, It's okay. But like I said, I don't have
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  Speaker 4: because from the trailer though, I'm I'm ready to watch
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  Speaker 4: the docu series. From the trailer, looked like it's all
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  Speaker 4: the drama, honey, And like I said, I don't really
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  Speaker 4: I didn't really have drama.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I did.
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  Speaker 4: Have my little my my thing with the stylists, you know,
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  Speaker 4: pinched me and couldn't find any clothes for me. And
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I did have my share of obstacles.
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  Speaker 4: But I come from I come from the world. I
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  Speaker 4: come from that where like I was miling when I
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  Speaker 4: was fourteen, So we're used to the drama. It wasn't
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  Speaker 4: all peaches and cream. You had to do things like
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  Speaker 4: I think Tyra was doing what she said she was doing,
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  Speaker 4: showing the industry and how it was back then, Like
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  Speaker 4: when I was going to the agencies at fourteen fifteen sixteen,
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  Speaker 4: they were telling me to lose weight, cut my hair,
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  Speaker 4: do this, do that, like that.
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  Speaker 2: Was just part of the game.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's been one of the conversations that I've been
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  Speaker 1: seeing online. It's the battle between is Tyra Banks the
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  Speaker 1: villain or not. On one side, there are people who
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  Speaker 1: feel like she was doing what the industry was already doing,
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  Speaker 1: and she even makes a you know, from what the
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  Speaker 1: edit seems like, she even takes a shot at that
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  Speaker 1: in the trailer where she's like, I was giving y'all
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  Speaker 1: more of what you wanted, talking about the audience, right.
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  Speaker 4: And exactly it was a TV show, like you we
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  Speaker 4: knew this too. Like it wasn't just like the model industry.
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  Speaker 4: It was also making TV. It's reality to TV, so
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  Speaker 4: it was I mean, they did do things that were grander, right,
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  Speaker 4: but that was the excitement.
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  Speaker 2: That was the appeal, right.
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  Speaker 4: We wanted to be a part of the grander photo
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  Speaker 4: shoots and all of those things.
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  Speaker 1: So so but on the other side there's the like
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  Speaker 1: so you have the whole like this is what the
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  Speaker 1: industry is, this is whatever. But then on the other
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  Speaker 1: side there are women, and some of them in this
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  Speaker 1: you know, dancers, because they look traumatized very much so
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  Speaker 1: so on the inside, right, because what I what I'm
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  Speaker 1: assuming we'll see is a lot of the inside take
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  Speaker 1: that we didn't get back then. It's a different time
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  Speaker 1: where you got to talk about things more openly. You
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  Speaker 1: were on the inside of things, on the inside when
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  Speaker 1: if we were to have pelt the layers back when
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  Speaker 1: you were you know, during your season, was it as
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  Speaker 1: bad as it feels like this trailer is going to
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  Speaker 1: make it seem, And as we've heard other women say,
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  Speaker 1: like was it the you know, the Dundundune that it
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  Speaker 1: feels like it was?
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 4: I can't tell you how the experience is for those
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  Speaker 4: other girls who experience those things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think looking at the trailer too, it looks it looks
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  Speaker 4: it looked traumatizing to me too, you know, going in
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  Speaker 4: and they're saying like we're gonna change your ethnicity where
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  Speaker 4: you know, we're going to have a procedure, we want
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  Speaker 4: you to close your gap. You know, we want you know,
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  Speaker 4: we're cutting your hair or you gotta you know, you
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  Speaker 4: you're this small, You're not small enough. You know, like
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  Speaker 4: those are real issues, Those are real traumatizing things. You know,
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  Speaker 4: one of the girls that looked like she was touching appropriately,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like it's some real stuff that's going on
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  Speaker 4: in this trailer here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm almost like.
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  Speaker 1: I was part of that, you know, like yeah, but see,
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  Speaker 1: you're you're okay. So I've seen Reddit forums and conversations
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  Speaker 1: about your experience with the stylists and you know, the
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  Speaker 1: whole pinching you and trying to find clothes, to the
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  Speaker 1: point where there are a lot of fans who still
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  Speaker 1: feel like you should have went way further in the show.
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  Speaker 1: The only reason you didn't was because they didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to have to face these like problematic beauty standards of
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  Speaker 1: wheat and size.
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  Speaker 4: You know the same way too. I don't understand how
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  Speaker 4: I got cut, why I got cut. It don't make
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  Speaker 4: any sense to me to this day. And I was
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  Speaker 4: the fan favorite at the time too, Like I was
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  Speaker 4: winning the they were voting on online or it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: online then, but like calling in and it was weekly and.
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  Speaker 2: I was, I was up there, so I don't I
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  Speaker 2: don't understand that.
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  Speaker 1: Either, And nothing was ever further explained to you in
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  Speaker 1: real life, like outside of because you sign up and
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  Speaker 1: there these rules to the contest and then you picked
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  Speaker 1: the lucky number and they're like, oh, sorry, you didn't win,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like one plus one doesn't it's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: equal to but it didn't for you.
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 4: And also after coming off the Top Model, it was
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  Speaker 4: it was hard for girls because at first you thought
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  Speaker 4: that saying that you were a part of Top Model
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  Speaker 4: would get you into doors. But after a while, with
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  Speaker 4: so many girls that were coming through Top Model, that
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  Speaker 4: it was like nobody really wanted to work with you
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  Speaker 4: if you were on Top Model.
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  Speaker 1: Did you guys build like your own community after the
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  Speaker 1: show because of that, like, like you know, I wish.
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  Speaker 2: I could say yes.
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  Speaker 4: I always felt like we should have like a Top
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  Speaker 4: Model alumni or like we should have our own thing,
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  Speaker 4: even to this day, like it's so many of us,
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  Speaker 4: so many girls who made a big difference in this
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  Speaker 4: industry who's flourished, and you know some girls who didn't.
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  Speaker 4: But I really feel like we should have that type
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  Speaker 4: of community. I keep in touch with some of the girls.
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  Speaker 4: I have a good report or with you know, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the girls that were on my season that
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  Speaker 4: weren't on my season, you know, just in the franchise
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  Speaker 4: all together.
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  Speaker 2: But I wish we did have like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you after you decided to when I decided,
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  Speaker 1: but after you left the show, did you watch any
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  Speaker 1: of the seasons follow on you like, were your religious
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  Speaker 1: watcher or did you No.
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  Speaker 4: I was kind of like one of them girls, like
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  Speaker 4: I'm done with this. Yeah, I'm not watching this. And
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  Speaker 4: I think later on I might have catched a few
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  Speaker 4: episodes here and there, like the new seasons they came
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  Speaker 4: out and checked out some of the new girls. But
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I ever watched a full season from
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  Speaker 4: the beginning to end. After my season, I'm like my followers,
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  Speaker 4: they like, once you laugh, I.
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  Speaker 1: Last, they say, and in you know, in the tagline
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  Speaker 1: of this trailer for this new docu series that they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be some things that they get into and there's
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  Speaker 1: you know, things that we were expecting them to unpack.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think it's the the.
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  Speaker 1: Biggest thing or the biggest conversation that this docuseries should
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  Speaker 1: have about America's next time model.
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  Speaker 4: What do I think the biggest conversation they should have
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  Speaker 4: about America's next top model?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, girl, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: What is the biggest conversation. What did you like?
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  Speaker 3: Most?
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  Speaker 1: Most people want to hear whether or not Tyro was
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  Speaker 1: too harsh? I know, for you know, people who have
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  Speaker 1: their because the girl, the Reddit pages go off about you,
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  Speaker 1: but the whole beauty standard thing is an issue as well,
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  Speaker 1: like when they did the face the ethnicity swap episode
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  Speaker 1: with the you and the style is. So they want
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  Speaker 1: to have the conversation about what I think.
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  Speaker 2: That's I think it sounds like that's what Tyro's going
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 4: Sounds like she's going to have that conversation from the trailer,
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  Speaker 4: because from the trailer, doesn't she make a statement like
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  Speaker 4: I know I took it too far.
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  Speaker 2: I know I went too far.
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  Speaker 4: You know, so like I'm on the edge of my
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  Speaker 4: seat too, like maybe tell me, tell me And I
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  Speaker 4: can understand that, because I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, would you take it too far?
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  Speaker 4: Like you had a show. You're getting these ratings and
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  Speaker 4: you get these shows, you had these show ideas.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think any human being getting all this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, attention and power and you know, like I you know,
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  Speaker 4: I don't I'm not saying she's right or wrong, but
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  Speaker 4: I can understand what was it how it could get
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  Speaker 4: to you?
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  Speaker 3: What was it like for her?
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  Speaker 1: Because I think people never had the conversation of from
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  Speaker 1: what you could see, what was it like for her
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  Speaker 1: at the time, right because the show was doing so
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  Speaker 1: well and she's trying to push for the success. Were
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  Speaker 1: you able to visibly see like was she under what
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  Speaker 1: Cyberbank's under pressure were? There are a lot of moments
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  Speaker 1: where she was like, you know, pushing to the grain
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  Speaker 1: and you felt pressure, Like what was it like interacting
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  Speaker 1: with her and seeing her behind the scenes being because I.
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  Speaker 3: Heard she was very hands on with the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: I was on season three, so it was in the beginning,
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  Speaker 4: so we got a lot of love and attention. You know, Tyra,
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  Speaker 4: come check on us, You know, Tyra, she didn't seem
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  Speaker 4: under pressure. It was still new. It was season three,
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know what type of pressure she felt.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess trying to get it each season
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  Speaker 4: would be pressure from one to two to three, to
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  Speaker 4: four to five to.
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  Speaker 2: Six seven, But.
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  Speaker 4: No, and then you know, like we were young, so
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  Speaker 4: I was excited to see Tyra.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, oh my gosh, she's like she roll.
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  Speaker 4: Here is Tyra Banks in front of me, So like
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  Speaker 4: I was fangirling, gout. And you know, we were always
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  Speaker 4: excited when Tyra walked in a room or to see Tyra,
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  Speaker 4: Like it was always love, it was always excitement.
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  Speaker 2: She was always Tyra. She was always that Girl's.
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  Speaker 1: Like for your experience to be so different than other people's,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like like I almost wish and we don't
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  Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen yet, so I probably back here
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  Speaker 1: asked it, like, hey, girl, what you.
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  Speaker 3: Think to watch it?
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  Speaker 1: Right, there's a whole generation of people that didn't really
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  Speaker 1: get to watch like I remember watching you guys. I
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  Speaker 1: remember auditioning because of seeing what I saw, like looking
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  Speaker 1: at y'all on the TV screen right right. There's a
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  Speaker 1: new generation that never got to feel that, and they're
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  Speaker 1: about to learn about it from this perspective, in this
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  Speaker 1: lens of like all of the like firestorms, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like and it's almost unfortunate a bit, but I understand that, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you got to hold people to whatever and accountable.
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  Speaker 1: But it's just like men like, your experience is so
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  Speaker 1: different than even how I think.
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  Speaker 4: Because of my personality too, and the type of person
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  Speaker 4: that I am too. I think that plays a big
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  Speaker 4: role on it, because I don't like when I'm sitting
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  Speaker 4: here talking to you, I almost forgot you know that
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  Speaker 4: I did have a hard time and like I was
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  Speaker 4: just you're right. My one of my good friends, her
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  Speaker 4: daughter is fourteen fifteen. We just was watching my season
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  Speaker 4: on I think what's on Hulu. I think they're playing
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  Speaker 4: the time out of but just going back and watching
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  Speaker 4: me at twenty years old. You know, I didn't get
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  Speaker 4: to watch the whole season with her, but I watched
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  Speaker 4: a few episodes.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't even know I'm brambling. Oh, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Just a new generation discovery, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: And how different it is gonna be for them because
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  Speaker 1: some of them might discover you through or discover the
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  Speaker 1: show through this docu series.
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  Speaker 4: No, there were times there were times like and I
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  Speaker 4: mean it was reality stuff, because there were times where
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  Speaker 4: I felt like that didn't happen, like with they edited.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they'll show stuff or show where maybe I
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  Speaker 4: was crying or I was looking sad or something. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: that's not what happened, or that's not why this you know,
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  Speaker 4: or you know, or that wasn't our best picture. It
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  Speaker 4: was just like a whole lot of things. But I
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  Speaker 4: think I also understood that it was show business too,
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  Speaker 4: like it's also a TV show, you know, So.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't get so mad at the edits.
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  Speaker 4: Even though they weren't always truthful, you know, they didn't
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  Speaker 4: always like what I would feel, you know, happened in
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  Speaker 4: that particular moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll be watching, Yes, we will be, Yes, we
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  Speaker 1: will be.
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  Speaker 3: What are you up to now?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like every time I tap in with you,
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  Speaker 1: it's like like you you have so much going on
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  Speaker 1: and so much as you're doing, and I'm I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know you're again, you were one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorites on the show, and you're one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: people to watch just in real life because of how
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  Speaker 1: you go through life.
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  Speaker 3: So like, just so positive, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Well. Yeah, I'm down here in Atlanta now and I'm
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  Speaker 4: actually into wellness.
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  Speaker 2: I am I do sound healing down here, but.
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  Speaker 4: I also have an intimate well let me say about
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  Speaker 4: for all the people who are in Atlanta, please come
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  Speaker 4: and see me I do sound Healing down here every
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  Speaker 4: third Sunday, So check out my Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: So you make sure you tap into that.
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  Speaker 4: Because mental health is so important right now, and with
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  Speaker 4: all the stuff going on in the world, just being
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  Speaker 4: able to take a moment to like intentionally focus, breathe.
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  Speaker 2: Meditate, it's so important. Self care so important.
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  Speaker 4: We all know this, but I just encourage y'all to
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  Speaker 4: just dive deeper.
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  Speaker 1: When did you When did you get into like like,
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  Speaker 1: because I think knowing knowing of mental health and the
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  Speaker 1: need for is one thing. Actually taking a time and
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  Speaker 1: dedicating a time, especially weekly for your own self, probably daily.
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  Speaker 3: When did you start that?
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  Speaker 2: Well?
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  Speaker 4: I started back when I was living in LA. I
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  Speaker 4: hooked out with.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Queen a Fool. Are you familiar with Queen of Fool?
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  Speaker 3: She's come on the breakfast couple a couple of times.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, So Queen Aphod is one of my
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  Speaker 4: mentors and I did. We actually did a personal meet
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  Speaker 4: her and Lauren Vanderpult.
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  Speaker 2: She's a raw vegan. Where's your raw vegan chef? Right? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: So we actually had an asrom arom. It's called achrom
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  Speaker 4: So we had aschrom out in La. It was really
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: it was really amazing. We just did a lot of healing,
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: but just studying under her, being with her, like forty
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: days and forty nights, like no matter what, it was
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: just that awesome experience, and I just carried it on.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: You know, once you do something, they say, what's for
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: seventeen days or twenty seven days?
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: It becomes a habit, it becomes a new lifestyle.
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: But just we fall off, but you got to just
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: it's just good to have a community. So I'm blessed
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: that I have a community people of women that I
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: can connect with, and that I'm also able to share
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: my guests with other people too.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: So I've been doing this.
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  Speaker 4: I've been doing this healing work for about about about
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: eight years, about eight years, but it took me a
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: little time to really step in my power into really,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: I guess, promote it and come out because you're right,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: like we've been here about mental health and about you know,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: our wellness and our well beings pop we really don't
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: speak about it. And it's in actually coming from like
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: a fashion world and then stepping into it to the
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: wellness world and the transition it is.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It's different, it's different, and it's very different.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: But thank you for the opportunity to be able to
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: speak about it.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: They know, of course it almost because because you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: even in you talking about you know, your time on
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Top Model and the one incident that I think everybody
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: can point to with the stylace that you mentioned, right,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you positive outtake on that. It almost I feel like
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you were kind of on a journey, probably way before
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: you recognized you were, because you have to be mentally
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: strong to not allow something like that in front of
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the world, to be something that like traumatizes and breaks
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you to a certain extent, Like you still found like
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you're overcoming in that, and I don't know if a
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: lot of people could do that.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: It's tough being in front of the world.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: It is tough being in front of the world. It
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: is tough being in front of the world. And you're right,
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: I've always had that light inside of me. We all
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: have that light. But I would able to recognize it
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: and to build on it and to hone it and
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: to to you know, to to cater and.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: To love it. I needed it. I guess I needed it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: I guess I needed it, Lauren, because I came up
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: in the eighties two and so I didn't have my parents.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't, I didn't.
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: You know, it's you know, it's a lot going on.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: So and we all have a story. And that's another
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: thing I never like to really get to like, oh,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: my sad story, because I feel like so many us
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: people have that sad story, you know, and and it's
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: okay to share it with people, so they know that
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: I too understand, but I don't dwell in it. And
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: I also like to like move us forward, you know,
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: like I all, I don't even know.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: If I always have to do it. I just do it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I just am. Do you feel like you do you.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Feel like at one point, so now you're moving forward
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: is because you know who you are and you just
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: exist and that's a powerful place to be. But at
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: one point, do you feel like you're moving forward and
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: even being able to get over whatever it is at
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the time or whatever you're dealing with was be because
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you were trying to figure out kind of where your
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: world was or where you existed in the world before
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you knew who you are.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Now definitely trying to figure it out because everybody was
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: telling you what you can't be right, So I still
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: come from the next there it's like I was trying
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: to be a model, like I said, at like fourteen,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: but I wasn't a plus size model.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: I was staying there and they was telling me, no,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: I was going to.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: New York, I was going to Ford Wilhelmina.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I went to.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: L in all the agencies right, and people were always
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: telling me no. In you know, in school and sports
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: and theater and everything.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: People were always telling me.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Now, I was always like the eyeball out, like I
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: never really seemed to fit in. So I always had
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: to have like, I always had to have belief in myself.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: And that's why I wanted to say too.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: You never really know, you never figure it out. I mean,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: you don't really know. You're trying to figure it out,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: but you we have things in us that other people
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: can see or don't believe, Like even though you like
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: girls used to pick on me. Girls used to pick
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: on me, But it's what I felt about myself, you
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. People then think that I was
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: gonna do X, Y and Z, But it was what
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I thought about myself, and sometimes I might felt unsure.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: But you don't need people to understand your vision. You
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: don't need people to understand. To understand you, you just
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: gotta keep moving. I don't know where I got it from.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I wish I could really tell you, but they tell
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: you though you when you have a vision, it don't
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: matter what nobody else say. When you believe in yourself,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: it don't matter what anybody else think.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: But now talking to you more and kind of understand
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: it a little bit and give us too much, a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: little bit of your backstory, I kind of can understand
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: how because I always felt like you were one of
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: the few models that left America's X Tip model. The
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: world screamed about what they felt like you deserved. They
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: were upset for you when and you know, the weight
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: stuff happened, and you've always had a smile on your face,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: a red lip, and a good comment to say about
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: the show and about Tyer Banks. That's been you consistently
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: for years, and I couldn't under not that I think
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you should drag her, but I just couldn't understand where
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: the consistent positivity came from because I've always felt like,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: internally I wondered what your battle was because you weren't
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: in front of the world.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: But I guess I get it now.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But Yeah, I always said that to thank you, thank
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you for that. That was beautiful. Thank you.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I don't have to write that down. You always had
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: a red lift for the great content to say thank you.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Call you for the second series. Make tell them make
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: that your tagline.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna make that my tagline. But I'm so going
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: into top Model. It was like, I just needed the opportunity.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: You know, when you're that girl coming out of you
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: know you.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Don't got tovity.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: You just need that opportunity. Just put my foot in
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: the door. And that's all I ever wanted. So, no
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: matter what I went through or whatever, all I needed
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: was the action likes give me, you know what I mean, Like, I.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Just needed that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And that's and I said, I'm gonna make it work.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna work this, baby, y'all let me in the door,
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: and I'm gonna work this to the best of my ability.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: And thank god, I think I have. I think I've
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: been working into the best of my ability and I'm
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: forever grateful.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what would Takara sitting here with me right now,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: tell Tokara that was experiencing all that stuff during that episode?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Who dealt with whatever she dealt with he lecter of like,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: what would you say to her now that you are
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: like total heels self?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: All I have to do is just be here and
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: it is it is mine.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That little girl to Cara.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I go back to her, that little girl, ooh girl.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: I got a little tear in my eye.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: That that girl was strong. That girl is a little strong.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: She knew her.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: You know they say when you're younger, I guess you're
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: closer to God. That little girl knew. That little girl
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: carried me today right now.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: That little girl knew. I don't know that little girl special.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: She knew. She's seen it plain as day. She knows.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: She knew. She one of God's favorites. I still go
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: back to her. I still go back to her. I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: love that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me since Yank, I don't believe.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: You got me emotional.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Thank you, no problem, and I really listen. I'm telling you,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I hope that if nothing else from this docu sriies
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: for you, that you get to feel I mean, you
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: feel the love every day, but.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I do the people need to know.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, you carried that time on your back, honey, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: did it very well.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: You I'm honored to have be able to do that
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: for my people. I love y'all's deep.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate you well. You know you can always
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: reach out to me whenever you have anything going on.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Make sure one more time plug your weekly wellness classes
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and say actual Instagram too, for the audio listeners who
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: won't see what we put on screen.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, what is my actual the fabulous Tokara, the
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: fabulous to Kara Jones. Yeah, the fabulous to Kara Jones
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: t O C C A R A. But I also
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: have an intimate, an intimate, an intimate line, an intimate longer.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I do brals.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: I do bras for naturally big breast in women. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: we'll talk about that another time. Okay, I'll talk to
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: you soon.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: And thank you again.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: All right, I love you too. Congratulations on everything too, Mama,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I appreciate it.