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What Happens On Sex Week with Mykenna Dorn · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with I our Radio. It's another episode of the Almost
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Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Yes it is. I'm gonna call it Fantasy
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Speaker 1: Sweets Week. Ashley and McKenna are here to join us.
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Speaker 1: I almost couldn't say it. Ben is never gonna call
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Speaker 1: it sex week. Jared wants to call it sex sweet Permanently.
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Speaker 1: Why because it's funny. It's a little done now, it's
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Speaker 1: just a funny week. It's overdone. Okay, sorry, it's not.
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Speaker 1: It's so funny it sets people up. Mckinna, Welcome to
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Speaker 1: the Almost Famous Podcast. First, O funny, Okay, I understand
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Speaker 1: what you're saying. Obviously, fantasy sweets are very important for
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Speaker 1: not the sex part, but it is funny. That's the
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Speaker 1: week that you have to decide whether or not to
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Speaker 1: do something. Uh McKenna, what do you think? Should it
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Speaker 1: be called sex week or can we just stick with
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Speaker 1: fantasy sweets? What's your vote? There's no wrong answer here.
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Speaker 1: I like fantasy sweets, um, but I mean, it's like
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Speaker 1: it can happen. But I just think it's just time
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Speaker 1: for someone to have more quality time and like private
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Speaker 1: time with someone doesn't need to be all about sex. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: and it can. It can if you want it to be.
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Speaker 1: If you would like to enjoy that evening with a
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Speaker 1: semi stranger and just release all of the things that
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Speaker 1: have been in your body for the last three months
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Speaker 1: as you've traveled around the world, go for it. There's
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Speaker 1: no shame in that game from this show. I just
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Speaker 1: don't want to put added pressure to it. So the
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Speaker 1: big question this week is who's right who's wrong? That's
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Speaker 1: my ben I just want you to know that, of
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Speaker 1: course I'm on your team in this. I know you are.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it really started out as kind of
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Speaker 1: a joke. It is a joke. Ashley the Virgin Ashley
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Speaker 1: are like, of course I'm down for it. There to
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Speaker 1: be like no sex if that's the choice. Actually, nobody
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Speaker 1: is going to be mad at you for wanting and
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Speaker 1: thinking it's funny. That's called sex. Okay, okay, okay, but
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Speaker 1: it's really Jared. So this episode we're gonna break down
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Speaker 1: right now. There's a lot to talk about, but mostly
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Speaker 1: around one topic. So we're gonna fly through. I think
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Speaker 1: the two of the three Fantasy Suits dates talk a
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Speaker 1: little bit about Katie. The big question overwhelmingly for me
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Speaker 1: and I to get this thing started. I would love
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Speaker 1: to hear the big question on your mind as we
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Speaker 1: walk into breaking this down is who's right and who's wrong?
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Speaker 1: Like where did things go wrong? Is a question that
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Speaker 1: exists in my mind because there's a lot of different opinions.
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Speaker 1: You would think, you know, if you didn't dig in,
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Speaker 1: everybody would be anti what Zach did. But some people
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Speaker 1: are saying, hey, it was very honest, it was very
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Speaker 1: nice of him, It's very respectful. Now you'll hear my
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Speaker 1: opinion a bit. McKinnon Ashley, what is your big questions
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Speaker 1: after watching this week's Fantasy Sweets Dates? Well, can I
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Speaker 1: go first? Okay? I feel like I would have reacted
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Speaker 1: the same way like Gabby reacted, in the sense of
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Speaker 1: him coming to her saying I need to tell everyone
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Speaker 1: we had sex last night for me to feel better.
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Speaker 1: And I think I felt the exact same way that
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Speaker 1: Katie felt, being like like, I know what's happening, but
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Speaker 1: I don't need you to confirm it for me before,
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Speaker 1: like hours before we're supposed to have our quality time together.
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Speaker 1: Like I just feel like, yeah, maybe he needed to
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Speaker 1: get that like off his chest so he could like
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Speaker 1: feel good about his decision at the end of the day.
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Speaker 1: But for those girls, like I just I felt for them,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know how I would
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Speaker 1: like recover, like for Katie, like props to her for
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Speaker 1: like going for the rest of the night, because I
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Speaker 1: think I would just been like like she would said
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Speaker 1: it right, She's like, do you want me to say
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Speaker 1: a good job? Like cool? Like I don't need to
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Speaker 1: like no, like yeah, high five. And then like Gabby,
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Speaker 1: it's like we just had this great night together, like
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Speaker 1: we don't you don't need to be telling everyone about
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Speaker 1: our nightiate thing? Would you say? The appropriate question to
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Speaker 1: start out this show for you would be uh, was
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Speaker 1: Zach being selfish? Was that a fair question for you
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Speaker 1: to like ended his selfishness hurt others? Would that be
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Speaker 1: a fair question? Or how would you phrase where your
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Speaker 1: mind's at in a phrase? After watching I think he
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Speaker 1: was almost like thinking about him Yeah, he was thinking
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Speaker 1: about himself in that moment, and like, I get that
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Speaker 1: he needed to come clean, but sometimes it's in that situation,
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Speaker 1: probably better just to keep that between you and Gabby.
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Speaker 1: Cannot wait to dive into more of this with you
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Speaker 1: because I have some very strong opinions, Okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: that we're going to share. Ashley, if there's a phrase
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Speaker 1: or something on your mind after watching last night, what
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Speaker 1: would that be? Okay? Well, initially my thought was that
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Speaker 1: it all depends on the person who's receiving the message.
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Speaker 1: In Katie's situation, okay, because some people may have wanted
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Speaker 1: to know, and I think that Zach is probably the
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Speaker 1: person that would want to know, which is why he
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Speaker 1: assumed that Katie would want to know. Didn't realize Katie
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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to know. So in that case, I think
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Speaker 1: you go back and forth on the appropriateness of it.
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Speaker 1: I think it just depends on the person. Now when
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Speaker 1: Gabby situation, yeah, he's I think he is being selfish.
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Speaker 1: He's trying to get guilt off his shoulders in telling
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Speaker 1: other girls what happened between them. His big mistake, of course,
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Speaker 1: is at the top of the show when he declared
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Speaker 1: that this is what he was going to do. I
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Speaker 1: can't believe he made such a mistake, especially following Clayton's season,
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Speaker 1: which Clayton was like, I slept with all three of
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Speaker 1: the girls and I said I love you basically to
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Speaker 1: all three of your girls that you think that he
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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to blanket anything. Yeah, well let's kick it
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Speaker 1: off even though it had good intention. Yeah. The question
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Speaker 1: there then for me, after I listen to you, actually
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Speaker 1: is did he have good intention? I think it's something
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Speaker 1: to think about. Really, Yeah, you think that the beginning
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Speaker 1: of the week he may have had mal intention? No? No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: no oh. I think the good intention is when he
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Speaker 1: started to openly express what happened in the fantasy suits
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Speaker 1: with other people. Then in that case, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: And I also have to say that I think that
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Speaker 1: I wonder what would have been the situation if Ariel
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Speaker 1: went last and it wasn't Katie going last, Like if
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Speaker 1: he had to tell Ariel, would he tell Ariel or
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Speaker 1: did he have to tell Katie? Because in his head
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Speaker 1: going up to this point, he was going to pick Katie,
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Speaker 1: and then he was like, I'm definitely not going to
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Speaker 1: go into an engagement without telling this woman, So I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna have to tell her at some point, as might
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Speaker 1: as well tell her at the beginning. I have so
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Speaker 1: many thoughts. Well, I will say I think out of
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Speaker 1: the three of us, I'm the only one that has
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Speaker 1: spent any time in a fantasy suite, so I know
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Speaker 1: what they will fantasy suits to call them like the
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Speaker 1: most real they're not. Yeah, they're talking most real during
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Speaker 1: the main shows there, Yeah, I know what they look like,
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Speaker 1: I know how they go. I will say this to
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Speaker 1: kick off then breaking down each one of these fantasy
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Speaker 1: suites no matter what, and again we'll share my opinion
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Speaker 1: here in a bit. I was engaged in this episode.
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Speaker 1: I felt like it was a in a sense, a
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Speaker 1: throwback Bachelor episode that felt like, Hey, I want to
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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen around every turn. I might
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Speaker 1: not agree with what's happening. I might not like what's happening,
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Speaker 1: but I'm engaged in the content and I'm engage in
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Speaker 1: the emotions of everybody involved, which is not always the case,
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Speaker 1: as we've been very clear as of recent Okay, they're
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Speaker 1: in Thailand this week. What a beautiful place to spend
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Speaker 1: a week. I can't imagine, though, what travel looked like
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Speaker 1: for them. I mean, they were just in hometowns last week.
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Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, they're in Thailand. That's not
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Speaker 1: a short flight, that's not an easy flight. They got
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Speaker 1: to be exhausted, exhausted time changed and everything too. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Ariel's the first Fantasy Sweets date. Ariel looked good, like
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Speaker 1: she was beautiful the whole time. I was like, I
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Speaker 1: was like, what you the look? And Zach mentioned it,
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Speaker 1: but that look that she gives like they were eating
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Speaker 1: or something. He's like, she can just like stare into
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Speaker 1: me and like I lose my mind. I'm like, I
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Speaker 1: get it, like she did it through the TV. I
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Speaker 1: was like, holy, I'm a married man, but you gotta stop.
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Speaker 1: She's sexy, like that's the thing, mystery, just like, uh,
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Speaker 1: there's she just has that and that is an ability
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Speaker 1: or that's like a radiation that I don't think you
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Speaker 1: can just achieve. I think you're born with it. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're born with it. She said the most attractive phrase
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Speaker 1: that anybody could say to me. This is attractive for me,
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Speaker 1: not for everybody. But she said something to Zach where
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Speaker 1: she's like, you know what, I don't hate I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna get it exactly right, but she's like, I don't
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Speaker 1: hate having fancy dates. I don't hate crazy experiences, but
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Speaker 1: what I really like is the dates that we can
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Speaker 1: kind of make memories on that we can enjoy together.
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Speaker 1: And I was Like, what an amazing thing for somebody
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Speaker 1: to say, as you're getting closer to the end, that
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Speaker 1: they're not expecting m the world all the time, that
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Speaker 1: they just want to be with you, that they want
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Speaker 1: to eat bugs and have fun. Also a quick note,
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Speaker 1: this is the first time I think in any Bachelor
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Speaker 1: season that they've eaten bugs and not reacted in a
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Speaker 1: like in an inappropriate, like hurtful way towards the culture.
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Speaker 1: I really love that, Like, this is something that people
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Speaker 1: in Thailand obviously eat and it's probably pretty good. You
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Speaker 1: just got to get over the fact that it has legs. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: but every other season, no matter what they've eaten, they've
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Speaker 1: almost acted like it's the grossest thing they could possibly
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Speaker 1: put in their mouth, which is offensive, right, it's offensive
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Speaker 1: towards people to eat that. I love that they enjoyed it.
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Speaker 1: That was awesome to me. Yeah, they were having fun
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Speaker 1: with it. They were digging into everything with plega. So ladies,
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Speaker 1: throw it to you. This day is going on. Is
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Speaker 1: there any moment where you thought Aerial would be there
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Speaker 1: next week after their Fantasy Suite date. No, just because
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Speaker 1: we knew it was to come. If we didn't have
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Speaker 1: all the teamses, then I would have been thinking otherwise.
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Speaker 1: But because we knew he was going to sleep with
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Speaker 1: somebody next and just based on rumors, and again I'm
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Speaker 1: not spoiled. I don't want to be spoiled. But just
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Speaker 1: like with brushing social media, it seemed as if he
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Speaker 1: was going to sleep with Gabby or Ariel because everybody
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Speaker 1: thinks of Katie as his front runner. And what I
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Speaker 1: was kind of getting was that he wasn't going that
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Speaker 1: he wasn't sleeping with the front runner. McKinnon, what did
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Speaker 1: you think? Um? I didn't have a whole idea what's
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Speaker 1: gonna happened? Um, I just watched last night. But um
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Speaker 1: I liked Ariel. I thought they had like a great connection.
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Speaker 1: So like, I wouldn't have been been surprised if she was,
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Speaker 1: you know, in the final two. So Ashley, based on
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Speaker 1: what you said, then, how did you know that it
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Speaker 1: wasn't Arial that he and he slept with, Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: he slept with because they said they said at the
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Speaker 1: end of the day and they dragged that out. We
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Speaker 1: were waiting with baited breath, is he gonna say? And
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Speaker 1: I couldn't keep to my plan and he was like,
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Speaker 1: and we didn't. He literally said we didn't have sex,
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Speaker 1: and it made me start thinking about the ordering of
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Speaker 1: the dates. At first, I was like, oh, could Katie
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Speaker 1: have gone first? You know all that. No, they this time,
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Speaker 1: they showed the three fantasy suites in chronological order. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I was surprised though, because I think this is like,
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Speaker 1: so this is a little you'll get it. I think
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Speaker 1: everybody thinks of Ariel as being like this XE one right,
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Speaker 1: and people kept thinking like, Oh, she's gonna be the temptress.
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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be able to say no to her
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Speaker 1: in the fantasy suite, and it wasn't her, and I
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Speaker 1: think that was a surprise. I was surprised that it
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Speaker 1: was that it was Gabby over Ariel. They're both beautiful women,
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Speaker 1: They're all beautiful, wonderful women. But I do think that
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Speaker 1: most of the fandom was expecting it to be with Ariel,
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Speaker 1: and going off of what you said Ben last week,
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Speaker 1: it seemed like Ariel to him was the one that
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Speaker 1: was hard to get and he kept being like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I gotta get this girl. She's the sexiest girl I've
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Speaker 1: ever been around. But I don't know if she likes
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Speaker 1: me so much. And I think like, if given the opportunity,
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Speaker 1: it's probably like you want to land a girl like that.
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Speaker 1: I think I think, yeah, so that you know, would
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Speaker 1: have been love or lust. And that's really a question
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Speaker 1: for this whole show is what was his intention by
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Speaker 1: saying to Jesse at the beginning of all these dates
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Speaker 1: that he is not going to have sex now. He
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Speaker 1: based it on Sean Lowe's advice, which I don't remember
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Speaker 1: hearing from Sean during the show, that you know, he
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Speaker 1: should not have sex during the fantasy suits. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that conversation did exist because I think that was Sean. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: just an air but it was Sean's big storyline kind
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Speaker 1: of during his season was that he was a born
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Speaker 1: again virgin. So he gives Zach this advice to not
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Speaker 1: have sex. Now, as we look back, was that good advice? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think it's fine advice for Sean Lowe himself. Was
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Speaker 1: it good advice for Zach to take, just not good
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Speaker 1: advice for his Zach to declare, yeah, I just think
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Speaker 1: to put those expectations out like, I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: think he just he went with his head thinking like
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna do, and then I think maybe
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Speaker 1: it just did. It didn't work out for him, right,
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Speaker 1: and then he kind of he's going to hurt someone
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Speaker 1: in the end by saying that he's not going to
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Speaker 1: and telling everyone, every girl that right. So, there is
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Speaker 1: one thing that I want to know, because I've been
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Speaker 1: through this, what happens in the Fantasy Suite, at least
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, was always very private. No matter what
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Speaker 1: you were choosing to do. If you were choosing not to,
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Speaker 1: nobody need to know that you weren't going to. It
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Speaker 1: wasn't important for the audience to know if you were
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Speaker 1: going to. Nobody really need No, it wasn't important for
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Speaker 1: the audience to know, and the producers were very supportive
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Speaker 1: of that. Like that was my stance is whatever happens
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Speaker 1: is going to happen between us because it's the Fantasy Suites.
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Speaker 1: This is about us. This is the one moment we've
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Speaker 1: had that doesn't have to air. Nothing has to be
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Speaker 1: known about what happens behind the scenes. You can make
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Speaker 1: little innu windows, you can make jokes, you can do
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Speaker 1: all those things, but the show doesn't need you to
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Speaker 1: make the declaration of what's going to happen and them,
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Speaker 1: and the producers never asked me to because I think
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Speaker 1: it would be weird if they sat down. They're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but we really want to know what you're going to
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Speaker 1: do in there, Like yeah, we're really into the idea
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Speaker 1: of thinking about you. No, that's not a thing, like
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Speaker 1: they didn't care. That's another thing. Like I felt bad
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Speaker 1: about Gabby, Gabby, because never do we have a situation
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Speaker 1: where it's like confirmation that they had sex, right, they
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Speaker 1: try to allude to it every time, whether they did
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Speaker 1: or not. Sure, But then I couldn't help but think
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Speaker 1: in my head, I was imagining the two of them,
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Speaker 1: specifically the two of them only I don't think that happens.
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Speaker 1: But it's because it was like that happened. And then
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Speaker 1: when he was telling Katie that happened, I was seeing
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Speaker 1: it happened in Katie's brain. Oh yeah. If she's then
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Speaker 1: like thinking it, I think there aren't they like really
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Speaker 1: close friends too, from sure what I've seen, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I like that's just like a weird That's what I said,
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Speaker 1: Like she has to go into her fantasy suite a
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Speaker 1: couple hours later, and like that's what's on her mind,
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Speaker 1: Like it's just it's a well, it's Gabby's date now
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Speaker 1: it's a good transition. Now, I mean Ariels Fantasy Suite.
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Speaker 1: I'm almost as forgotten at this point it is. It
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Speaker 1: was here and gone, and after the show ended Ariel's
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Speaker 1: Fantasy Suite date. No matter how amazing she was and
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Speaker 1: great the date was, it's not a story. There's nothing
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Speaker 1: to follow up with. So we go on the Gabby's date,
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Speaker 1: which is a very nice date. I don't even remember
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Speaker 1: what they do. I felt like the entire episode was
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Speaker 1: strictly about whether they do or do not have zach No.
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Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of true. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I remember what they do either. In fact, I think
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Speaker 1: they went to their own island, an island, and she
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Speaker 1: was just like upset because she was in her head.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, she's at the beach. Actually, this is
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Speaker 1: probably the only other part of the HSOD that like
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Speaker 1: really meant something. Yeah. Yeah. She talked about how she
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Speaker 1: was just super insecure and felt like she was going
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Speaker 1: to be second second second, second, second, And I'm like,
16:24
Speaker 1: oh god, we're frost shadowing something, aren't we. This is
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Speaker 1: a nick vile situation. Well, and I think it's important
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Speaker 1: to say. I mean, I was in the final three
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Speaker 1: during Caitlin's season, you get a pretty good sense at
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Speaker 1: this point where you stand. It's there's a very few
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Speaker 1: seasons where it's a complete shocker to the second place
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Speaker 1: person that they're not chosen. I think there's some heartbreak.
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Speaker 1: I think there's some hopes. I think the producers are
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes trying to lift them up and tell
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Speaker 1: them how great they are and tell them that this
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Speaker 1: is going to be a beautiful, you know, engagement. But
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Speaker 1: you in your head, in your gut, you know where
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Speaker 1: you stand. I mean, I knew that that Sean and
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Speaker 1: Nick had more of a connection with Caitlin than I did.
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Speaker 1: I knew I was going home. I didn't want to
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Speaker 1: believe it, but I knew it. Well. I think Ariel
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Speaker 1: felt that way. But do you think that Gabby is
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Speaker 1: in her head definitely being like, I know I'm second,
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Speaker 1: I know I'm second. I think so, and I think
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Speaker 1: I think so. It's important note that in Gabby's passed
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Speaker 1: she brought up that this, you know, she she feels
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Speaker 1: that second like she feels like second place and that
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Speaker 1: this is an insecurity for her right so, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much Zach can reassure her that
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Speaker 1: she's not going to be second. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: that'd be fair. I tried to do that and that
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Speaker 1: didn't work out for me during my season. So he
17:48
Speaker 1: follows a similar path to yeah, he kind of does, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's not, he's he's he's walking a very thin line. Um.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know how much he could have reassured her,
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Speaker 1: or should have reassured her that she's not going to
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Speaker 1: be second. I think that's an insecurity she had to
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Speaker 1: communicate to him, and that you know, he takes in
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Speaker 1: at this point, and he either fulfills it by you know,
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Speaker 1: proposing to her at the end, or he confirms it
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Speaker 1: by now we know, either getting second or first. But
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Speaker 1: she really cares about Zach, and I think we're seeing
18:19
Speaker 1: that about Gabby of the last few weeks. She really
18:21
Speaker 1: cares about him, she really trusts him, she misses him
18:26
Speaker 1: when they're gone. And so the Island is a unique
18:28
Speaker 1: kind of situation where she is expressing these kind of
18:31
Speaker 1: final day insecurities and also reassuring Zach that I'm only
18:36
Speaker 1: feeling this way because I care about you so much. Zach.
18:39
Speaker 1: At this point, U kind of talks about that he's
18:42
Speaker 1: not he's made this commitment to not have sex Gabby.
18:48
Speaker 1: Gabby takes no, She's not happy because again, and I
18:52
Speaker 1: want to hear this from your perspectives, because at this point,
18:56
Speaker 1: you know, as we're watching the show, if this is
18:59
Speaker 1: a standard at which Zach is going to set, and
19:01
Speaker 1: if he's going to make this declaration on every day
19:04
Speaker 1: and he's going to stick to that declaration, we don't
19:06
Speaker 1: know that he doesn't. At this point, I'm saying it's
19:09
Speaker 1: fair for his act to communicate to her. Now again,
19:11
Speaker 1: could he have done it behind closed doors that you
19:13
Speaker 1: have to do it so the public knew he did it.
19:17
Speaker 1: He could have done it in the fantasy suits and
19:18
Speaker 1: when they got inside been like, hey, this is just
19:20
Speaker 1: something that I think is right for tonight. Yeah. Yeah,
19:23
Speaker 1: but he does it. She reacts and she's hurt or
19:26
Speaker 1: confused or feeling like it just reassures her already insecurities.
19:30
Speaker 1: From your perspectives, why is she feeling that way? What's
19:33
Speaker 1: going on in her head? What's happening? Mccanna? You go first,
19:37
Speaker 1: I think if I was like in her shoes, I
19:40
Speaker 1: think I would just I mean, I get the whole
19:44
Speaker 1: feeling of feeling insecure, and you're in that situation, You're
19:48
Speaker 1: you're constantly comparing yourself to these other girls, right always,
19:51
Speaker 1: like you're just thinking, well, he just had this date
19:53
Speaker 1: with this girl, and like like you're just constantly thinking that.
19:57
Speaker 1: And I think she just thought like, oh, so like
20:01
Speaker 1: that's off the tables tonight, which is fine, But what
20:04
Speaker 1: if I want, like what if I needed that extra
20:07
Speaker 1: little something with you? Maybe possibly like it could be
20:12
Speaker 1: maybe that's big for me at the end of this,
20:14
Speaker 1: like if we get and get gauge. Like it's just
20:17
Speaker 1: I think she just is going through her head like
20:20
Speaker 1: there's like a hamster wheel in the back of her head,
20:22
Speaker 1: just constantly going like, Okay, well now you doesn't want
20:25
Speaker 1: to do that? Now? Am I going to be second
20:27
Speaker 1: if it doesn't. I think that's just like her head
20:30
Speaker 1: is just constantly going yeah. I think that I think
20:36
Speaker 1: she knows that it's something that he's doing all week. Yeah,
20:39
Speaker 1: but I feel like in her head she's a little
20:41
Speaker 1: bit twisting it to be like, oh he doesn't want
20:43
Speaker 1: to have sex with yeah, that thing that we do,
20:48
Speaker 1: it's one important note and I think it might have
20:51
Speaker 1: I don't think Zach had ill intention in making this declaration.
20:54
Speaker 1: I don't. I think maybe on the back end of
20:58
Speaker 1: the episode he does have some intention that he can't
21:00
Speaker 1: quite figure out what to do and if it's right
21:02
Speaker 1: or wrong. That's why the questions beginning was who's right
21:05
Speaker 1: and who's wrong. But I think through this whole season
21:10
Speaker 1: and we've been critical of Zach mckinna, we've also been
21:13
Speaker 1: supportive of Zach. We've thought he's had really great moments
21:16
Speaker 1: and moments that just like any season in any lead,
21:19
Speaker 1: no matter after the Bachelor or Bachelor, we question I
21:24
Speaker 1: think for me here and it's been a criticism through
21:27
Speaker 1: the whole episode. I think Zach believes this is his season,
21:30
Speaker 1: like this is about him finding love about him, Yeah,
21:34
Speaker 1: it's about him. It is a little selfish about it.
21:36
Speaker 1: I agree. It goes back to like all the moments
21:39
Speaker 1: where it's like girls bring up like how they're feeling,
21:41
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's like, we're not on the same page.
21:45
Speaker 1: I have a girl around here, and it she'll be
21:47
Speaker 1: on the same page as me. Always it's all about, yeah,
21:50
Speaker 1: be on the same page as me. I think, no
21:52
Speaker 1: matter what you know, obviously, and if we can only
21:56
Speaker 1: base it on our personal experiences, you know, my wife
21:58
Speaker 1: and I went nowadays a fairly untraditional path right where
22:02
Speaker 1: we didn't have sex before we got married, and it's
22:05
Speaker 1: worked out really well for us. We're very healthy and
22:07
Speaker 1: happy and doing great. It doesn't it's not everybody's cup
22:10
Speaker 1: of tea. I get that, and so there's there's no
22:13
Speaker 1: right or wrong on how you know, every couple has
22:15
Speaker 1: their own dance, as my mother in law says, But
22:20
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to sex, especially sex and
22:23
Speaker 1: insecurities and every element of a relationship, it's a two
22:27
Speaker 1: sided street. Like you have to communicate and you have
22:31
Speaker 1: to hear it out, and you have to hear what
22:33
Speaker 1: Gabby's gonna feel when you say, hey, I'm thinking that
22:36
Speaker 1: this would be the wisest thing, and here's why I'm thinking,
22:38
Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Instead, it was like,
22:41
Speaker 1: I'm making this decision for both of us and if
22:45
Speaker 1: it hurts, sorry, And I don't know if that's right.
22:50
Speaker 1: I don't know, Especially when it's down to the final three.
22:53
Speaker 1: This is everybody's season. Everybody's in this equal weight trying
22:57
Speaker 1: to figure out if this is going to be the
22:58
Speaker 1: right person for each other. Well, put yeah, because I
23:02
Speaker 1: mean they have to pick him too, right, so it's
23:04
Speaker 1: not just about him. Yeah, and she's saying that like
23:09
Speaker 1: she really felt like it was an important thing to
23:11
Speaker 1: experience before getting engaged. Yeah, and it is kind of like, yeah,
23:16
Speaker 1: I think weird. But she's the one that made the
23:18
Speaker 1: little joke saying I didn't think I'd get engaged to
23:20
Speaker 1: someone without sleeping with them. Yeah, it seemed like it
23:23
Speaker 1: was a big a big deal and maybe yeah, deal
23:27
Speaker 1: breaker for her to get engage to someone. So it's
23:30
Speaker 1: definitely probably annoying for her to be like, oh, okay,
23:33
Speaker 1: so I guess I know who the decision maker not
23:34
Speaker 1: relationship is mmmmmmmmmm. Yeah. Well they have a dinner portion,
23:41
Speaker 1: everything's going fine. They go back to the fantasy suites,
23:45
Speaker 1: and this is where the show really um takes a turn. Right.
23:50
Speaker 1: They wake up the next morning. Uh, they're very happy.
23:54
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think they did because it like to me, neither,
23:57
Speaker 1: it seemed too light. Yeah, you got eyes. But like
24:01
Speaker 1: if I was to stick, like make a declaration to
24:04
Speaker 1: be so confident in like what I want to do,
24:07
Speaker 1: and then like I go against that, especially like a
24:10
Speaker 1: thing like sex, there's like this, Uh, your mind plays
24:13
Speaker 1: games with you, right, no matter what you want to
24:15
Speaker 1: believe it's a powerful thing. And so unless you both
24:18
Speaker 1: like have walked into it being like, this is gonna
24:20
Speaker 1: be blast, We're gonna roll around the sheets all night,
24:23
Speaker 1: We're gonna have so much fun, and then you wake
24:24
Speaker 1: up you're like, that was great. But if you walk
24:26
Speaker 1: into it saying this is not what I'm gonna do tonight.
24:28
Speaker 1: No matter what it is in your life, you set
24:30
Speaker 1: some standard or boundary and you've crossed that standard or
24:32
Speaker 1: boundary when you wake up in the morning. It at
24:35
Speaker 1: least for me and tell me if I'm weird here.
24:38
Speaker 1: I feel a sense of guilt and shame, which I
24:40
Speaker 1: don't think it's healthy, but it happens, and so I'm
24:44
Speaker 1: I'm in my own head for until I can get
24:46
Speaker 1: out of my own head for a long time, I know.
24:48
Speaker 1: So then when I was watching this before, they were like,
24:51
Speaker 1: something changed, and we did we did it where we
24:54
Speaker 1: were intimate. Yeah, I was like, oh gosh, he sleeps
25:00
Speaker 1: with Katie. Okay, And then yeah, they dropped the bomb
25:03
Speaker 1: on us. But wait a second, can we just have
25:05
Speaker 1: a little bit of laughter right now in the fact
25:07
Speaker 1: that he is not an f boy at all. I
25:10
Speaker 1: know he's not, but he sounded so much like one
25:13
Speaker 1: when he was like, Jesse, I know I made this
25:16
Speaker 1: this plan, but guess what change plants change good old
25:23
Speaker 1: yeck mckinna. What do you think? Do you do you
25:26
Speaker 1: feel like that morning was oddly peaceful and like kind
25:31
Speaker 1: of pointed if they had sex or not to something
25:33
Speaker 1: really special. I think watching and I knew right away
25:38
Speaker 1: they like just like their energy. I think I think
25:41
Speaker 1: looking at her, I feel like her whole right, she
25:45
Speaker 1: was just like waish, like yeah, there was that she
25:49
Speaker 1: was beaming with excitement, and I think, I don't know,
25:53
Speaker 1: like her waving goodbye, like it just gave off that
25:56
Speaker 1: like they did have a very special night, and like
26:03
Speaker 1: I think, Ken, yeah, don't you think that it wasn't
26:06
Speaker 1: just like a like the post sex glow such and
26:09
Speaker 1: it was also like a I made him change his
26:13
Speaker 1: plans I want. Yeah that's a thing. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
26:19
Speaker 1: I definitely think she had that yeah, being like he
26:22
Speaker 1: said this, but yeah, I mean but look at me. Yeah, yeah,
26:27
Speaker 1: like I'm so hot and seductive that I changed the
26:30
Speaker 1: course of bachelor history. But I mean, go her, go her. Yeah,
26:36
Speaker 1: but do you get it? She got what she wanted
26:37
Speaker 1: because I'm unfamiliar with this mindset. Um, do you think
26:42
Speaker 1: that happens when he said, hey, we're not going to
26:45
Speaker 1: do you think she said I'm going to take the
26:46
Speaker 1: power back? Like, is that part of it? Am? I No?
26:49
Speaker 1: I think maybe something just happened between them during that night.
26:54
Speaker 1: I don't think it. I mean, you never know when
26:56
Speaker 1: I wasn't obviously in there. But um, but like I
26:59
Speaker 1: think I think that they were just I mean, were
27:04
Speaker 1: they Do they have the room with like the bathtub,
27:06
Speaker 1: with like the like yeah, Like I don't know. I
27:08
Speaker 1: think you walk in there being like this is pretty
27:10
Speaker 1: chromatic and well that's what I was thinking too. Are
27:14
Speaker 1: they going to just go in the bath and then
27:16
Speaker 1: show each other naked and then just feel like we
27:18
Speaker 1: can't we can't. Sorry? Yeah, Like I just think I
27:22
Speaker 1: don't know, Like yeah, I mean, and like, let's let's
27:27
Speaker 1: like frame this a little bit for all parties involved.
27:31
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily kidding when I said that, You've been
27:36
Speaker 1: dating and kissing and rubbing up against and traveling the
27:40
Speaker 1: world in the most romantic dates and looking really good
27:43
Speaker 1: yourself and seeing other people look really good for three,
27:46
Speaker 1: you know, close to three months now, Like that's a
27:49
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on inside of a human no
27:52
Speaker 1: matter what kind of like boundaries you set physically, you're
27:57
Speaker 1: an adult male and female, and you're feeling a lot
28:01
Speaker 1: like you're your your hormones are raging, you're like a
28:05
Speaker 1: teenager again, and you haven't had a lot of the
28:08
Speaker 1: loane time, and so there's just a lot. So you
28:11
Speaker 1: get in a room with somebody who's beautiful. Zach's a
28:16
Speaker 1: beautiful man. God, he's a beautiful girl. And like, I'm
28:19
Speaker 1: not surprised. None of this is shocking to this point, right.
28:22
Speaker 1: The only shocking part is Zach thought he was not
28:24
Speaker 1: going to or he had set some boundary not to.
28:27
Speaker 1: But none of this is shocking, and none of this
28:29
Speaker 1: is unfamiliar territory to the Bachelor world. It happens every
28:34
Speaker 1: season at some level, right if you and you're staying
28:37
Speaker 1: in a bed with somebody, so either you're just like
28:39
Speaker 1: making out and you're setting that like everybody's made out.
28:42
Speaker 1: I'm sure Shan Lowe like made out real hard with
28:45
Speaker 1: like all of his people, even you know, he might
28:48
Speaker 1: have been able to stop himself. Everybody's making out. You've
28:52
Speaker 1: done it all season. So the conversation with Jesse is
28:57
Speaker 1: somewhat worthy to be skipped over, he tells Jesse except
29:01
Speaker 1: for the fact it was hilarious. It was hilarious, and Jesse,
29:05
Speaker 1: I think I couldn't tell if he knew what was
29:07
Speaker 1: going to be said going into it, because he's kind
29:09
Speaker 1: of like drinking as like Zach talking and he stopped.
29:11
Speaker 1: He's like, it was like, ohh And I know from
29:15
Speaker 1: like Chris's experience, they don't alway, the host doesn't always
29:18
Speaker 1: know what's happening, right, because there's that shock factor. And
29:23
Speaker 1: it felt like if you watched it closely, like Jesse
29:25
Speaker 1: had sprinted across the resort to get to the room
29:29
Speaker 1: on time. He was like, Jesse's a fit male. He
29:32
Speaker 1: works out and he was like out of breath. He's Zach,
29:36
Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? And they sit down. Jesse has
29:38
Speaker 1: a glass of water like I'm sweating, and he's a
29:41
Speaker 1: little shocked. So Zach admits that that that Gabby and
29:47
Speaker 1: Zach slept together. Oh wait, I have something to say here.
29:52
Speaker 1: Why do you think that Zach would tell production this?
29:54
Speaker 1: This is where it's like what was he thinking? Like? Why? Okay,
29:57
Speaker 1: so he sleeps with Gabby? Why do you think that
30:00
Speaker 1: he went to his producer and was like, you know what,
30:03
Speaker 1: we did it? Yeah? How much grinding do you think
30:06
Speaker 1: that they needed to do? Well? Zach keeps phrasing this,
30:10
Speaker 1: and this is where we're going to get into now
30:12
Speaker 1: the meat of the episode. There's some phrases that Zach
30:16
Speaker 1: uses that I think are a little confusing to Katie
30:19
Speaker 1: and to Gabby. Zach says, I can't lie is kind
30:22
Speaker 1: of his excuse here. I just can't lie. But there's
30:25
Speaker 1: no lying involved here in my opinion. Right, he told
30:29
Speaker 1: Ariel that he wasn't going to have sex this week.
30:31
Speaker 1: That was something, you know, So maybe he had to
30:33
Speaker 1: tell Ariel that, hey, I messed up. Maybe I don't
30:37
Speaker 1: even think it's appropriate. Yeah, but there's no lying involved.
30:41
Speaker 1: It's a it's it's not even a secret. It is
30:45
Speaker 1: a moment with somebody you care about that you feel
30:48
Speaker 1: like needs to be kept between the two of you. Yeah,
30:51
Speaker 1: So I don't know. You know why he told production
30:55
Speaker 1: is he is he kind of does my whole self
30:59
Speaker 1: describing thing where he's like, I'm just too honest of
31:01
Speaker 1: a human. I have a huge art and I just
31:03
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest and I'm like, no, like, you
31:07
Speaker 1: don't in this situation give it yourself. Okay, well it hypothetical.
31:11
Speaker 1: Here he goes, he keeps things to himself. He ends
31:16
Speaker 1: up where you have to assume in this case that
31:18
Speaker 1: he doesn't pick Gabby, because if he picks Gabby, no problem. Yeah,
31:22
Speaker 1: between the two of them forever. Yeah. So he goes
31:25
Speaker 1: and he picks Katie. Then he's supposed to tell Katie
31:29
Speaker 1: in private after the engagement. Yeah, and then how is
31:31
Speaker 1: that going to go cross? Do you think it'll go
31:33
Speaker 1: cross better? Yeah? You know why? Because she never knew
31:36
Speaker 1: was his plan. Yeah, she never knew was his plan.
31:38
Speaker 1: And I've been in this environment before, right, So you know,
31:43
Speaker 1: after the engagement, you typically have a week just the
31:47
Speaker 1: couple in the same place that you got engaged with him,
31:50
Speaker 1: and most couples that I know from the show spend
31:55
Speaker 1: that week breaking down all that's happened in the last
31:57
Speaker 1: three months, because there's a lot of trauma and emotion
32:00
Speaker 1: that exists, especially for the person you know chosen who
32:04
Speaker 1: is a contestant, and you kind of open up the
32:07
Speaker 1: door to say ask anything you want, anything you don't
32:09
Speaker 1: want to know, don't ask me, you know, But if
32:12
Speaker 1: if you want to know something, ask me and I'll
32:15
Speaker 1: I'll try to make sense of it. I don't know
32:16
Speaker 1: if I'll be able to. This thing was weird. I'm
32:19
Speaker 1: just happy we're here now. I'm happy we're in this
32:21
Speaker 1: environment where we exist together. But if you want to
32:24
Speaker 1: know something, you're now my partner for life in a sense,
32:28
Speaker 1: you would expect to at least at that point, and
32:30
Speaker 1: so ask me, and I'll have to tell you. But
32:32
Speaker 1: if you don't want to know it, don't ask it.
32:35
Speaker 1: So you know what happened. I think is that he
32:39
Speaker 1: was looking out for his own image, because if no,
32:43
Speaker 1: he wasn't, nobody would have known that they were on
32:46
Speaker 1: the that they had sex. Nobody had to know. Nobody
32:49
Speaker 1: had to know, and I think that's good. A good
32:52
Speaker 1: point here is nobody had to know, and there wouldn't
32:54
Speaker 1: have necessarily been anything wrong with nobody knowing, especially when
32:58
Speaker 1: it comes to something private and intimate, which is the
33:01
Speaker 1: fantasy suite. I think that is a private, intimate moment.
33:06
Speaker 1: And I also think at that point in time, if
33:08
Speaker 1: anybody did need to know, that was definitely Gabby's decision
33:11
Speaker 1: for people to know. It wasn't just Zach's that's not
33:15
Speaker 1: just Zach's choice. Yea, And so Zach tells Katie. Katie's
33:21
Speaker 1: reaction is like just amazingly real. You don't always know
33:27
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get real moments on the show, but
33:29
Speaker 1: her reaction is like how anybody would react in the
33:32
Speaker 1: real world, especially at first where she's confused. M she's
33:36
Speaker 1: thrown off beating so far. Yeah, I can't look at
33:39
Speaker 1: you down, like there's distance, Like I know that feeling
33:44
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden there's distance between you, like
33:46
Speaker 1: you almost like I can't even look at this person
33:48
Speaker 1: because it hurts so much you felt it for her. Yeah,
33:52
Speaker 1: and she makes comments like we laughed about where she's like,
33:54
Speaker 1: what did you want me to do? Give you a
33:55
Speaker 1: high five, like saying, yeah, you did it, Like Zach,
33:59
Speaker 1: I didn't need to know. This is what she's saying.
34:01
Speaker 1: The whole time. She said she assumed it, like I
34:04
Speaker 1: knew could happen. I don't need to confirm it, like yeah,
34:07
Speaker 1: and she's said, now I have the image in my head. Yeah,
34:21
Speaker 1: So Zach, here I think is in a spiral of
34:24
Speaker 1: bad choices, um and off to the side here where
34:31
Speaker 1: we're not really at this moment thinking too much about
34:33
Speaker 1: is Gabby, who all of a sudden we start thinking
34:36
Speaker 1: a lot about because we have a scene where Gabby
34:39
Speaker 1: says something that really like broke my heart and it did.
34:43
Speaker 1: Let Yeah, she says, I feel like I have the
34:45
Speaker 1: scarlet A on my chest and she is, Yeah, And
34:50
Speaker 1: I think people will support her because they can relate
34:53
Speaker 1: and feel where she's at. I think people are not
34:56
Speaker 1: gonna be mean to Gabby, I hope based on this.
35:01
Speaker 1: But Gabby just all of a sudden, I think is
35:04
Speaker 1: feeling a lot of emotions, and shame is now one
35:07
Speaker 1: of them because she tells us that she has the
35:09
Speaker 1: scarlet letter on her chest, which yea is a powerful
35:13
Speaker 1: book if you ever read it. But it is a
35:17
Speaker 1: moment where my heart breaks because this is a personal
35:21
Speaker 1: moment for Gabby. She thought it was personal. She thought
35:23
Speaker 1: this person cared about her so much that like this
35:26
Speaker 1: was a moment that they could keep between the two
35:28
Speaker 1: of them. And now I think his choice to tell
35:34
Speaker 1: Katie is reassuring Gabby once again that maybe she is
35:37
Speaker 1: second because he didn't care enough about her to keep
35:40
Speaker 1: it private. Yeah, and he had to tell Katie. He
35:44
Speaker 1: never goes and tells Ariel I mean, I know he's
35:47
Speaker 1: he knows he's going to eliminate Ariel, but yeah, I
35:52
Speaker 1: felt I just felt for Gabby in that whole situation
35:55
Speaker 1: because I just think all the insecurities that she had
35:58
Speaker 1: before their fantasies eat, it's just coming back up again.
36:02
Speaker 1: I think she felt reassured after their night together and
36:05
Speaker 1: felt confident, it felt good about what they shared and
36:09
Speaker 1: just like through conversations or through being intimate and then
36:13
Speaker 1: for it to be like announced to the world, announced
36:16
Speaker 1: to Katie and yeah, she's like like why did he?
36:21
Speaker 1: I think She's gonna go in her head being like
36:22
Speaker 1: why did he have to tell her? Like is she it? Yeah?
36:26
Speaker 1: She said, so why did she have to do? Why
36:28
Speaker 1: did we have? Then? Why did now what? Like I
36:30
Speaker 1: think she's just like now I'm second. I'm obviously second.
36:33
Speaker 1: He had to tell her because he wouldn't be telling
36:36
Speaker 1: her if it was me. At the end, I think
36:38
Speaker 1: that's just gonna and she's just gonna break down now,
36:40
Speaker 1: and I just I just feel for her because it's
36:42
Speaker 1: just unfair and just I hope she goes down in
36:45
Speaker 1: a blaze of glory, Like I hope she goes down
36:48
Speaker 1: like this is ridiculous, like, you made this declaration, you know,
36:53
Speaker 1: this is what happened between us. You said you had
36:55
Speaker 1: to tell Katie. I think it's very obvious why he
36:58
Speaker 1: had to tell Katie. I think it's very obvious that
36:59
Speaker 1: the point to Gabby because I think the question that
37:02
Speaker 1: she asks is why do you have to tell Katie?
37:04
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, and and and Zach is continuing to
37:07
Speaker 1: reassure reinforce this. Well, if we're going to end up
37:10
Speaker 1: engage at the end of this um, this person needs
37:13
Speaker 1: to know what happened. And it's like, well, if we
37:16
Speaker 1: end up gage at the end of this, I'm the
37:18
Speaker 1: only one that needs to know what happened. Yeah, I'm like,
37:23
Speaker 1: I'm leaving right there on that rose ceremony. I'm saying
37:26
Speaker 1: I'm not accepting this UM. I know what's coming ahead,
37:29
Speaker 1: and I'm gone. But wait, she says that. She says,
37:33
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I want to accept this rose.
37:35
Speaker 1: And now, if we're thinking about Blaze of Glory moments,
37:39
Speaker 1: it would have been great if she did that in
37:41
Speaker 1: that moment and just been like, I don't know if
37:43
Speaker 1: I could accept this rose or just not. Yeah, because
37:48
Speaker 1: I think she didn't have enough time to know how
37:50
Speaker 1: she was going to feel in that moment up there
37:52
Speaker 1: with Katie. I think if she knew how she was
37:54
Speaker 1: going to feel in that line, you know, in that
37:58
Speaker 1: scarlet letter moment, I think she may have done it.
38:00
Speaker 1: I think she may have denied the rose. But now
38:03
Speaker 1: I think she'll let it simmer a little bit longer
38:05
Speaker 1: and realize it's the only way of doing it. We also, yeah,
38:09
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about like previews, do we ever see her
38:13
Speaker 1: like walking up to the podium. Probably not, Like I
38:16
Speaker 1: really hope that she No, I really hope she breaks
38:19
Speaker 1: up with him before he could break up with her.
38:21
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, and so to kind of summarize
38:23
Speaker 1: this whole episode, I think we all agree here and
38:27
Speaker 1: tell me if we don't. Zach didn't need to tell Katie.
38:31
Speaker 1: The only reason that he felt like he needed to
38:34
Speaker 1: is because Katie was the one at the end and
38:37
Speaker 1: he felt like she was his future fiance, and that
38:41
Speaker 1: he feels like the future fiance needs to know what
38:45
Speaker 1: happened in these fantasy suites. Katie is pretty clear that no,
38:48
Speaker 1: she doesn't. And if you did give her that week
38:51
Speaker 1: after the show's done and you open up the door
38:53
Speaker 1: and said ask anything. I don't think she asks this.
38:56
Speaker 1: I don't think she has any interest. I think she
38:58
Speaker 1: again says I assumed, and the assumption was enough, and
39:02
Speaker 1: the assumption was hard enough. But I don't need to
39:04
Speaker 1: know that this happened. I have one more thing to add.
39:09
Speaker 1: They don't show the morning after with Katie. Wasn't that weird?
39:15
Speaker 1: It is weird. Yeah, they were like the person to
39:17
Speaker 1: cut us out, We're gonna cut that out. Yeah that
39:20
Speaker 1: we don't have any like comparison moment, And yeah, that's
39:25
Speaker 1: a good point, Ashley. I wonder what the conversation looked
39:28
Speaker 1: like between Katie and Zach in the fantasy suits, Like
39:30
Speaker 1: once the doors close, because what happens is you're filmed
39:33
Speaker 1: all day. You close that door and nobody's there. It's gone.
39:37
Speaker 1: It's the first time and over, you know, two and
39:40
Speaker 1: a half months that you haven't had a camera around
39:42
Speaker 1: you or anybody else standing within five feet of you.
39:45
Speaker 1: The fantasy suits are a very private, quiet moment, and
39:48
Speaker 1: there's no glitz and glamor to it other than the
39:51
Speaker 1: fact that the two of you are there. It's a
39:52
Speaker 1: little bit weird at first. You're like a little weird
39:55
Speaker 1: because there's also still like no music, no TV. So
39:57
Speaker 1: it's like pure silence unless you guys are talking looking
40:00
Speaker 1: to each other. So I wonder once that got closed,
40:03
Speaker 1: if Katie, I'm hoping Katie like I was like, so
40:06
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Like, let's talk through now
40:10
Speaker 1: where your decision lies, Zach, Like you made this declaration
40:13
Speaker 1: I guess just to Aeriel because you never really made
40:15
Speaker 1: it to me, and then you've messed it up with
40:18
Speaker 1: Gabby like, Zach, like where you at and all of this.
40:22
Speaker 1: I think that conversation probably was very awkward, and I
40:25
Speaker 1: hope she leaned in a bit too, Zach. The cameras
40:28
Speaker 1: are gone, like wake up a little bit, like stop
40:32
Speaker 1: doing whatever your cycle of like telling what you're saying,
40:37
Speaker 1: telling the truth, Like stop this cycle of telling the
40:39
Speaker 1: truth right now and just be real to each individual relationship.
40:43
Speaker 1: I don't know, it'd be a very awkward moment. I
40:46
Speaker 1: feel like once that door closed, especially for Zach, I
40:49
Speaker 1: bet Zach stuck his tail between his legs like I'm sorry,
40:51
Speaker 1: I messed up. Yeah, which is why I was excited
40:54
Speaker 1: to see what the vibe was the morning after, because
40:56
Speaker 1: we all know that those vibes are very crucial think
40:59
Speaker 1: about Like Culton and Tatia, everybody knew something was off right, Yeah, yeah,
41:06
Speaker 1: pretty obvious. So now we know, yeah we know? Well,
41:13
Speaker 1: uh to to flash back then h to to all
41:18
Speaker 1: of this, Katie turns and says, no, I want to
41:22
Speaker 1: continue this thing. Um. After some time away from Zach,
41:27
Speaker 1: she's obviously very interested in Zach. I wonder what that
41:32
Speaker 1: process was like for her. We didn't get to see
41:35
Speaker 1: a lot of the kind of moments away. I really
41:39
Speaker 1: thought that she wasn't going to return. And uh, and
41:43
Speaker 1: I don't think Zach ever believed she wasn't going to return,
41:46
Speaker 1: because when she walks up and they have their overnight
41:48
Speaker 1: date or their dinner portion, he acts very calm and collected, like,
41:52
Speaker 1: let's go walk inside, let's have a great night. Um.
41:57
Speaker 1: I don't think he ever imagined that she wouldn't come back.
41:59
Speaker 1: And I want or why because I really didn't think
42:01
Speaker 1: she was going to come back. Maybe because she just
42:06
Speaker 1: despite being really honest and raw and we loved it
42:10
Speaker 1: when he told her. She didn't like freak out, she
42:14
Speaker 1: didn't like run away. She did seem like she wanted
42:17
Speaker 1: to have like the maturity and collectiveness to kind of
42:21
Speaker 1: think through it. I gotta give Katie a lot of
42:25
Speaker 1: credit here in this as well, because even standing with
42:28
Speaker 1: Gabby at the end after the rose ceremony, when Zach
42:33
Speaker 1: walks aerial out, there's there's no like we've seen hard
42:38
Speaker 1: words or like people have confrontation in those moments, and
42:41
Speaker 1: she didn't you know, I know she probably imagined it
42:45
Speaker 1: was hard for Gabby as well. Katie did keep a
42:49
Speaker 1: calm about her. She spoke a lot of like really
42:51
Speaker 1: wise things to Zach, even saying, you know, I assumed it.
42:55
Speaker 1: I didn't need to know this. Would you want me
42:56
Speaker 1: to do? Give you a high five? Like go get him, buddy,
43:00
Speaker 1: Katie hendered yourself really well. We've always been a Katie
43:03
Speaker 1: fan here. So the last telling point Aero does go home,
43:09
Speaker 1: Gabby and Katie are standing with Zach at the podium
43:13
Speaker 1: at the end, and Gabby's right Zach is not making
43:16
Speaker 1: eye contact with her. In fact, I know it was
43:19
Speaker 1: awkward to watch. Whoa it was so crazy again, leave
43:24
Speaker 1: the drop the rose. I haven't dropped the mic moment,
43:27
Speaker 1: but I dropped the rose moment and leave it was
43:31
Speaker 1: so awkward. We know we know that this is one
43:34
Speaker 1: of his telltale signs when he's not making eye contact
43:37
Speaker 1: with you, he's done with you. Mcknn. I know you
43:41
Speaker 1: haven't watched the whole season. This is what he does.
43:44
Speaker 1: I've seen like some like memes a little here, like
43:47
Speaker 1: his face when you know he's not interested, he's like
43:50
Speaker 1: he pulls away kind of and then he's like like
43:53
Speaker 1: lighting up a bit. But I think, well, Gabby like
43:57
Speaker 1: she could obviously sense that, like he was like looking
43:59
Speaker 1: at Katie. But I also didn't Katie just say to
44:02
Speaker 1: her like I knew it was you, m right. So
44:05
Speaker 1: I think she's also just like like Katie said, okay,
44:09
Speaker 1: so I can't quite make that act I knew it
44:12
Speaker 1: was you. Yeah, she was like I think she was
44:13
Speaker 1: like closing her mouth like kind of just whispering it
44:16
Speaker 1: to her, like and what since like a mean sense
44:19
Speaker 1: or just like I knew it was you that would
44:21
Speaker 1: be here. No, I think that like she said, like
44:24
Speaker 1: I felt it as like I knew you guys had
44:27
Speaker 1: sex or something. Yeah, like something I thought in that moment,
44:32
Speaker 1: even though I didn't quite get what she said, Oh,
44:34
Speaker 1: I was interpreting it as like I knew that you
44:37
Speaker 1: were the one that he would have he slapped away
44:39
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's why I thought, yeah, because they're friends.
44:43
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I didn't get that. Like
44:45
Speaker 1: Katie was like quietly digging at Gabby there being like no,
44:47
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. It was like I think
44:50
Speaker 1: it was just like in that moment they might have
44:52
Speaker 1: just forgotten first hot second that they were dating the
44:55
Speaker 1: same guy. I think she was just like I know
44:57
Speaker 1: he was like. I think it was like a like
44:58
Speaker 1: a jokingly friendly like best friend thing, being like I
45:02
Speaker 1: knew it was you, and then I think, you know,
45:05
Speaker 1: Gabby's like, I mean he did tell me he was
45:07
Speaker 1: going to go tell someone, but I didn't think like
45:09
Speaker 1: this confirms that he did tell everyone, like tell someone
45:12
Speaker 1: that we have sex and we didn't talk about the Yeah,
45:15
Speaker 1: the conversation that he went back to Gabby and was like, hey,
45:19
Speaker 1: just letting you know, I'm gonna tell and then she
45:22
Speaker 1: was like, uh, she had like the biggest eck. I
45:25
Speaker 1: felt like she was kind. He was like yeah, okay,
45:28
Speaker 1: like why like so what I seeing you again? But
45:33
Speaker 1: now you're gonna go like and he kept saying like
45:36
Speaker 1: it was really nice, like it was really good, Like
45:38
Speaker 1: I felt like he kept saying like the night. It
45:40
Speaker 1: was great night, Like this has nothing to do with you.
45:43
Speaker 1: I just need to tell everyone, like, yeah, that that
45:45
Speaker 1: was the moment where it was the selfish moment. Yeah,
45:47
Speaker 1: so yeah, I have to read myself a guilt on that. Obviously,
45:50
Speaker 1: the three of us are agreeing that he didn't need
45:51
Speaker 1: to tell that it was a very weird decision. M mckinnas.
45:56
Speaker 1: Something we try to do here is at least explain
46:00
Speaker 1: the other side. And I don't know if there'll be
46:02
Speaker 1: people in support of what Zach did here and at
46:06
Speaker 1: least in support of what his intentions were here. Can
46:11
Speaker 1: any of us maybe explain, like from Zach's perspective that
46:17
Speaker 1: he was right in telling you, Okay, at the beginning
46:19
Speaker 1: of the episode, I did say that, like I understand him,
46:24
Speaker 1: like some people on Katie's side would want to know
46:27
Speaker 1: that it happened and some wouldn't. Yeah, and that's from
46:29
Speaker 1: the Katie perspective. As far as the correctness of him
46:33
Speaker 1: doing so, that is not correct correct at least in
46:37
Speaker 1: that moment, you know, like if they wanted, if she
46:40
Speaker 1: wanted to know once they were alone or whatever, then okay,
46:45
Speaker 1: but that's like for her to inquire about. Yeah, I
46:50
Speaker 1: think even though that also it's yeah, yeah, such a
46:53
Speaker 1: weird situation. I think, like kind of what you said, Ben,
46:57
Speaker 1: like at the end, when he chooses who he wants
46:59
Speaker 1: to be with, I think that could have been a
47:01
Speaker 1: moment where he was open and told her like you
47:05
Speaker 1: weren't the only person I've been intimate with here, or
47:08
Speaker 1: like if she didn't want to know, if she didn't
47:10
Speaker 1: want to know, And I just think I just in
47:13
Speaker 1: the whole, I just I can't stop feeling for Gabby
47:16
Speaker 1: in this, Like, I just think I think he's just
47:19
Speaker 1: forgetting that like two people shared a very intimate night
47:22
Speaker 1: and that like I don't know, like I just like
47:28
Speaker 1: I can feel that he just wanted to get it
47:30
Speaker 1: off his chest. But I think he just forgot that
47:33
Speaker 1: there are two people that also, like you know, there's
47:36
Speaker 1: another person that went through that and like that maybe
47:38
Speaker 1: maybe ask her like did thank you on everyone? That
47:42
Speaker 1: goes back to our conversation before. It's just like it
47:44
Speaker 1: was all about like his decision making. Yeah, he had
47:47
Speaker 1: to get off his chest a private thing. You know,
47:50
Speaker 1: we've on this show, we've had seasons that are very
47:52
Speaker 1: sex positive. We've had seasons I can't remember a season that,
47:56
Speaker 1: you know, we have characters that are not very sex positive,
48:01
Speaker 1: you know, to their own, you know default, probably because
48:04
Speaker 1: they don't exactly know what that means. It doesn't mean
48:05
Speaker 1: you have to go out and have a bunch of sex.
48:07
Speaker 1: It just means that, like, it's a topic, you know,
48:09
Speaker 1: that's powerful worth discussing, and it's an individual dance between
48:14
Speaker 1: you know, couples or people in general. And so we've
48:18
Speaker 1: we've had these conversations kind of come in and out
48:21
Speaker 1: for years and I can't necessarily describe this as being
48:27
Speaker 1: sex positive or not. But what I do know is
48:31
Speaker 1: that sex is a very powerful thing that is between
48:34
Speaker 1: two people, and it is very intimate. And I do
48:38
Speaker 1: think I do think there's two points that I one,
48:41
Speaker 1: I'm is more of like a I'm confused by two.
48:43
Speaker 1: The second is I do think Zach messed up and
48:46
Speaker 1: did not allow Gabby to have a voice and how
48:48
Speaker 1: this was explained and how this was communicated, and how
48:51
Speaker 1: this was done in front of national television and her
48:54
Speaker 1: friends and other people. I think that was unfair to
48:58
Speaker 1: Gabby and I would stand on that to anybody said, no,
49:01
Speaker 1: Zach was trying to do the right thing. Sure, I
49:04
Speaker 1: don't think he was like trying to do the wrong thing.
49:06
Speaker 1: I just think that he wasn't considering somebody else's feelings
49:10
Speaker 1: and emotions in this The second is from Zach's perspective
49:17
Speaker 1: for a guy that didn't want to have sex at
49:20
Speaker 1: the beginning of this episode, like, don't talk about it,
49:22
Speaker 1: like now we all know, Like just keep it quiet.
49:25
Speaker 1: Like when I was on this show, like I felt
49:29
Speaker 1: weird at times making out with somebody. It's weird right there.
49:32
Speaker 1: These are typically very intimate, quiet moments that are isolated
49:36
Speaker 1: from the public. Guess what, my hands in the air
49:39
Speaker 1: because I have something crucial to say. Go. Shan Low
49:43
Speaker 1: never said that he was a born again virgin on
49:45
Speaker 1: the show, and I know that I can't speak because
49:47
Speaker 1: I definitely was like, hey, guess when I'm a first
49:48
Speaker 1: roar in Vergion, right, But like he was a born
49:50
Speaker 1: again virgin, his plan in his head was to not
49:54
Speaker 1: have sex with any of those fantasies to contestants. And
49:57
Speaker 1: guess what. It was never mentioned because he kept it private.
50:01
Speaker 1: And that's what. Yeah, maybe Sean did Sean tell him that, Sean,
50:07
Speaker 1: where are you? Yeah? You gotta give him every detail
50:10
Speaker 1: and look at how it worked out for Sean right,
50:13
Speaker 1: he had a flawless experience all the way through, And
50:17
Speaker 1: it wasn't until like after the fact, like six months
50:19
Speaker 1: later you saw magazine cover as being like Sean Virgin, Yeah,
50:25
Speaker 1: like waiting till their wedding night. You'd never heard of
50:28
Speaker 1: it until way after a fact. I'm just shocked at
50:32
Speaker 1: some point, Zach, maybe he z Act's gotten so comfortable
50:34
Speaker 1: in front of the cameras where he's like, yeah, I'm
50:35
Speaker 1: just gonna talk about these things and I don't really
50:38
Speaker 1: care who watches or who has an opinion on it's
50:40
Speaker 1: It's weird to me. I mean, it's just different because
50:43
Speaker 1: I was, like I always felt very like more protective
50:48
Speaker 1: or like not ashamed. I don't want to like embarrassed
50:50
Speaker 1: to talk about it, to have to like explain it,
50:53
Speaker 1: or to even like be like physical with somebody in
50:56
Speaker 1: front of a camera. Knowing that my grandma was going
50:58
Speaker 1: to be watching beside me one day, like that always
51:01
Speaker 1: felt weird to me. I was thinking about Gabby's family
51:04
Speaker 1: last night at her dad, her sweet dad is literally
51:08
Speaker 1: having to hear we had sex, which immediately puts in
51:12
Speaker 1: your head the image of your child having sex yeah. Yeah,
51:16
Speaker 1: it's like it's so much different, you know, you know
51:19
Speaker 1: it could happen. Yeah, yeah, you assume like they get
51:23
Speaker 1: married like cool. Yes, yeah, but you don't want to
51:26
Speaker 1: picture it. No, And when you say it as a fact,
51:29
Speaker 1: you picture it. But if it's as Sam, you don't necessarily. Yeah.
51:32
Speaker 1: It's kind of like saying, hey, don't think about elephants.
51:34
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, We're all thinking about elephants, So
51:39
Speaker 1: I do. I think I would stay in firm on
51:41
Speaker 1: this episode. Again, it was an intriguing episode. I felt
51:44
Speaker 1: like I was watching and wanting to know what happened
51:47
Speaker 1: around every turn and every people's emotions, and that's part
51:50
Speaker 1: of the show. But I feel for Gabby. I hope
51:54
Speaker 1: Gabby's getting the support that she deserves and needs right now.
51:59
Speaker 1: I think Zach messed up big time and did not
52:03
Speaker 1: at all take into account that there's two people involved
52:06
Speaker 1: here and that Gabby's Gabby would ultimately be affected by this.
52:11
Speaker 1: Because Zach and whoever he ends up with at the end,
52:13
Speaker 1: which we're gonna assume as Katie, are going to run
52:15
Speaker 1: off into the sunset, He's gonna get weird interviews. I
52:18
Speaker 1: know that where people are gonna ask about this now,
52:20
Speaker 1: and that's very awkward, and she's gonna be sitting beside
52:23
Speaker 1: him while it's happening. But Gabby's also going to be
52:28
Speaker 1: asked about it, and she's gonna have to relive this
52:30
Speaker 1: and she's gonna have to live through this and that's
52:33
Speaker 1: not fair to her. And it didn't need to happen
52:35
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, And some people might disagree.
52:38
Speaker 1: I would love to hear your thoughts. I'd love to
52:39
Speaker 1: hear why you disagree. But it just didn't need happen. Okay,
52:54
Speaker 1: we have Bachelor headlines to break down, so let's jump
52:57
Speaker 1: into it right now. It's Bachelor headlines. I'll throw it
53:00
Speaker 1: back and forth between the two of you. Um here,
53:03
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with Ashley. Bachelor and Paradise Canada revealed
53:06
Speaker 1: its season two casts and so many of them are
53:09
Speaker 1: from Ontario. Actually, McKenna, this is one. Yeah. I was
53:16
Speaker 1: watching because I watched The Bachelor on CITYTV, so I
53:19
Speaker 1: was I got to see all them introducing it through
53:21
Speaker 1: the commercial breaks of every person that's on it. Um, yeah,
53:27
Speaker 1: looks it looks really, it looks good and exciting. There. Um,
53:33
Speaker 1: I know Chelsea's on it from Chelsea as in like
53:36
Speaker 1: the Chelsea from America. Yeah, she's on it from Matt season. Um,
53:42
Speaker 1: Connor's on it. Connor Soley, No Connor, the other Connor
53:47
Speaker 1: con Um who was the one on Katie season that
53:51
Speaker 1: was with the cat Connor Cat Connor from Nashville. Um
54:00
Speaker 1: that there were some other people on it from I
54:03
Speaker 1: think just didn't like they kind of went home pretty early.
54:06
Speaker 1: So I don't really know exactly who they are, but
54:09
Speaker 1: they are. There are a couple from like I think
54:10
Speaker 1: Katie season, and I feel like I should like pull
54:14
Speaker 1: it up. But there wasn't a lot of like big
54:19
Speaker 1: names like from like older like it was more so
54:22
Speaker 1: like recent. Okay, Um, I swear I saw a preview
54:27
Speaker 1: with Demi for some reason that was like I'm back.
54:31
Speaker 1: M Well, wait, question, do they have like a full
54:34
Speaker 1: blown Bachelor and Bachelorette in Canada right now? Because I
54:37
Speaker 1: know it's like on and on. No, so like years
54:39
Speaker 1: ago they did. Yeah, I don't really do that. Well, um,
54:44
Speaker 1: but but they're good yea. Um, but they had a
54:47
Speaker 1: season last year and so what they do is they
54:50
Speaker 1: have some like bachel Nation fan they put in the mix,
54:54
Speaker 1: and then they have some people from season one that
54:57
Speaker 1: was last year that were I think fans and then
55:00
Speaker 1: and are now back because they were on the first season.
55:03
Speaker 1: And they throw in some like a lamb that we're
55:05
Speaker 1: on the American one. Okay, so it's a hodgepodge. Yeah,
55:09
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a little mixture up there. But yeah,
55:14
Speaker 1: well it's a beautiful cast. I'm looking through it. Um yeah,
55:18
Speaker 1: this is uh, there's just a lot of jack dudes
55:21
Speaker 1: and a lot of beautiful women. Um, so I'm sure
55:23
Speaker 1: the beach is going to be incredible. Next headline, it's
55:26
Speaker 1: hosted by Charlene Yeah, Lee and Kevin's Lavart and er Believe. Yeah, yeah,
55:32
Speaker 1: that's really cool. I can't what a gig man. I
55:35
Speaker 1: know she's looking great up there too. She's doing awesome.
55:40
Speaker 1: Next headline isn't one that we necessarily need to break down,
55:42
Speaker 1: but it's something cool that was posting on Instagram. Clear
55:45
Speaker 1: Crawley shares matching tattoos with husband Ryan Dawkins, mom plus dad. Now,
55:53
Speaker 1: some and you two would know this, especially you Actually
55:56
Speaker 1: some were going, oh, this is crazy, let's celebrate that
56:00
Speaker 1: Clear is pregnant. But I don't think that's what this means. No,
56:07
Speaker 1: does she even say what she thinks it means? Well,
56:10
Speaker 1: I believe from my research that she is now a stepmom.
56:15
Speaker 1: That Ryan, Yeah, is that what is referring to? I
56:18
Speaker 1: know she's a stepmom? You think that's what? Do the
56:21
Speaker 1: tattoos say? Mom plus mom and dad? And then Ryan
56:28
Speaker 1: commented under Claire's post and said Claire is the best
56:31
Speaker 1: bonus mom ever, So stepmomm Huh, I think there's more
56:38
Speaker 1: to this, There's there's gotta be more to this, right Yeah,
56:42
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think I mean, there's not
56:44
Speaker 1: more to the story right now, but I feel like
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Speaker 1: we will find out more soon. Yeah. Yeah, within the
56:49
Speaker 1: next five years. I bet. I bet these tattoos continue.
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Speaker 1: Becca Tilly reveals meaningful surprise from girlfriend Hailey, grateful to
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Speaker 1: experience a love like this, Ashley, this is yours breakdown.
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Speaker 1: It was a soorrible Okay. So Becca has you know,
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Speaker 1: been raised very Christian. She went to church all the time,
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Speaker 1: She went to a Christian school, Sunday School, all the
57:13
Speaker 1: stuff growing up. And then she said that ever since
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Speaker 1: moving to la she hasn't really found a church to
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Speaker 1: like really call her own, to feel very comfortable in
57:22
Speaker 1: and to go regularly and just feel part of the community.
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Speaker 1: And she did mention to Hailey this you know, this
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Speaker 1: issue that she wanted to find a place and there
57:32
Speaker 1: was one church in particular that I think she was
57:34
Speaker 1: interested in trying out. And one Sunday morning, Haley said,
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Speaker 1: I want to take you somewhere. Make sure you're free
57:43
Speaker 1: Sunday morning. So to surprise, she gets her in the
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Speaker 1: car that they're driving and they pull up to the
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Speaker 1: parking lot of this church and they go in holding hands,
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Speaker 1: and she just said it was the sweetest thing. She goes,
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Speaker 1: I thought that we were going somewhere special for breakfast,
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Speaker 1: and then we ended up at a church, and Haley
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Speaker 1: isn't like particularly religious, but she knew it meant a
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Speaker 1: lot to Becca, and she just said it's one of
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Speaker 1: the most special moments of her life and one in
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Speaker 1: which she says that she's never felt so loved. It's. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Becca is one of the if not the most incredible
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Speaker 1: people I've ever met. I love Becca a lot, and
58:21
Speaker 1: he said, not the most, which means that you're you're
58:25
Speaker 1: putting her above your wife. No, she's not above my wife,
58:28
Speaker 1: but she's been incredible to my wife. You know, Jessica
58:32
Speaker 1: walked into the Bachelor world, and didn't you know, Jessica
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Speaker 1: is a very quiet, like introverted person and Becca till
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Speaker 1: he kind of like wrapped her around like Becca's arms
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Speaker 1: and said, hey, like I got you, and has been
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Speaker 1: incredible from then on out. And so anytime I hear
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Speaker 1: a story of Becca being loved on and happy makes
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Speaker 1: me happy. Yeah, it's so so sweet sweet. Well, mckinneth,
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us today. That's all we have. We
59:04
Speaker 1: have a finale episode next week. Now I'm actually gonna
59:07
Speaker 1: be out. I'm gonna be on the Venezuelan Colombian border
59:12
Speaker 1: which is reviewing some like healthcare systems that are happening
59:16
Speaker 1: for the refugee crisis. So I'm out. I'm gone. Ashley
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Speaker 1: is gonna take it over all weeks. Yeah, all weeks
59:22
Speaker 1: for you do important global things, you know. Yeah, Well,
59:25
Speaker 1: Ashley is going to have an amazing co host. They're
59:27
Speaker 1: gonna break down the finale episode. So my vote, if
59:31
Speaker 1: Katie is not the one chosen at the end, I
59:34
Speaker 1: will call in from Columbia and freak out because I
59:37
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening anymore. But mckinneth, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: We will have a special episode with you, catching up
59:43
Speaker 1: on your life, everything going on in your life. Very
59:46
Speaker 1: excited to hear more from you, so make sure you
59:49
Speaker 1: tune into arthurrit on The Almost Famous podcast to see
59:52
Speaker 1: mckinna's stand alone episode. But until next time, I've been been,
59:56
Speaker 1: I've been Ashleyna, You've been good. Yeah, all right, we'll
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