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Mega Edition: The Warden's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 17-20) (6/20/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna die of right
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back in to the warden's interview with the OIG inspectors. Question,
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all right, now, we're going to get into the actual incident.
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What's your understanding of what occurred in Epstein's cell on
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August tenth, twenty nineteen. Answer I don't know. Question you
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don't know. Answer I didn't go up there. Question do
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you he gets cut off? I never saw the cell.
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Question do you believe if do you know if Epstein
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took his own life? Answer That's what I've been told.
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Question is that you're understanding of what happened? Answer that
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was what was conveyed to me. Question do you have
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any information with regard to anyone else taking Epstein's life? Answer?
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No question. No, have you heard that epstein cell door
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was left open on the night of August ninth, twenty
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nineteen and or the morning of August tenth, twenty nineteen.
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Answer I didn't hear that. Question you never heard that
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answer no question. Have you heard that any cellmate in
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the shoe, any cells within the shoe, any of their
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doors were left open on the night of August ninth,
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twenty nineteen, in the morning. Answer I didn't hear that
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question on August ninth. No answer, nope. Question do you
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know if anyone harmed Epstein? Answer no, I would have
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reported it. Question all right, So these are let's see,
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this is the Bureau of Prisons Health Services clinical encounter.
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Did you get to review this one at all? Answer? No? Question.
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It talks about responding to a body alarm at six
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thirty five for a medical emergency. Answer. I think it
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might have saw the memorandum, but I don't recall seeing this.
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Question all right, So let me just read this for
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a second for the record, because it's a very quick one.
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It says, responded to a body alarm at six thirty
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five for a medical emergency on nine South. Upon arrival,
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inmate was received on the floor of his cell, unresponsive
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with CPR and progress BI correctional officers. The inmate was
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cold with circumferential bruising around the neck and posterior of
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modeling pupils fixed and dilated, no palpois pulses called place
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for EMS. CPR continued, ed placed no shock advised. CPR continued.
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Inmate transported to Hsu treatment room with CPR and progress
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eighteen g Heplock. No, I'm not going to read the
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rest of this. It just talks about continued CPR and progress.
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Are you aware after Epstein was found on August tenth,
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twenty nineteen, at approximately six thirty three am, did he
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ever show any signs of life? Answer? I never. I
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wasn't up there. Question Yeah, I just didn't know if
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you had heard. Answer No, from what I heard when
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I got there, he was already out. Question because they
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said that, you know, he was declared deceased at the hospital.
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So my question is it sounds like from this person's
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report he was there was no signs of life, and
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I was just wondering, had you heard anything from the staff?
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Was there any sign of life? What are you aware
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of while after from the point he was found on question, Well,
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the impression that I was given was that he was
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alive when he left the institution. Question, so you believed
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he was actually alive? Answer? That's what was conveyed. Question.
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It was conveyed to you that he gets cut off
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by the warden. I think he was still alive if
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I remember right, I think he was. They did the
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CPR and then they got him out. Question and who?
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So according to this again, the person arrived at six
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thirty five. They're saying the inmate was called, you know,
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pupils fixed and dilated, no powerpos pulses meaning I'm assuming
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that means no pulse you know. Answer, So you would
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probably have to look at the response the staff responding
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memorandum on what he gets cut off by the investigator.
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So up until this date, did you think that he
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was alive when he left the institution? Answer? That's what
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I believed, That's the impression I had. Well that's interesting, huh,
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especially when you add on that they used a body
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double when they were removing Epstein's body from the facility,
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according to reports. So what the hell was going on now?
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Mister Hayes jumps in again with another question. Can I
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ask a question? Right if he was dead when they
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came and somebody found him, or even if he was
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close to death, how long would it have been that
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he tried to kill himself and the time that they
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found him? And other words, does that mean he tried
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to kill himself forty five minutes before? Does that mean
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he tried to kill himself thirty minutes before you understand
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the question I'm asking, question sure, I mean that is
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something that the medical examiner, you know, they make that determination, Hayes,
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because obviously if he was or had done whatever he
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did during the time that there was supposed to be
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around and somebody fucked up, you know what I mean,
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if you're there with a towel around your throat, that's
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a hint that you might not exactly be in the
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best of moods the warden pipes up. But the other
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thing is, you know, I don't know, like you just said,
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the medical examiner determines, you know, if he's alive or
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he gets cut off by the investigator. Well, and that
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was going to be my follow up. First of all,
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who is this person it's as provider redacted or end.
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Is that someone who worked he gets cut off by
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the warden? He was one of the nurses that worked.
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Question all right, and is it your understanding by saying provider,
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this is the person who wrote the report? Answer? Yeah,
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typically who as the encounter fills it out, writes it
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in the system. Question Okay, so up until me reading
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these out, you actually were under the assumption he was
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still alive. Answer? Yeah, Question when he left. Answer I
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thought he was alive. Yeah, that was my assumption. Question Okay,
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does that have anything to do with the fact that
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the medical examiner is the only one who can declare
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him dead? Answer it does too, question all right? And
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also I have heard that the inmates don't die at prison.
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Question Well, I mean people say that, but again, in reality,
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no one in the prison can declare an inmate dead.
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Question right, right, right? But is that what you mean
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by the statement though? Did you I mean, had you
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heard that he showed signs of life? Answer? From what
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he gets cut off again because we have heard this
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type of thing before. Answer Yeah, from what I hear,
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they were still performing life saving measures on them, even
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when from what do you call it? Ems coming in there.
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So when you say to me that we're performing life
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saving measures, I'm assuming that he's still alive. Question right, Like,
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there is always a chance you could bring him back,
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or that you're helping that you're going to resuscitate them.
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But do you know of any indication that he had
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signs of life? Answer? I didn't. Again, I'm going off
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of assuming that he was still alive because they're still
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working on him. Question Okay, answer, So if somebody start. Now,
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I've been in situations where the paramedics come in and
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you know, they work on them and they say, you
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know what, there's nothing else we can do. He still
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hasn't been declared dead question, sure answer, but they still
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But from what I gather, they were still working on him. Hayes,
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When you say nobody dies in prison, are you being facetious? Question?
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It's just one of those things that it happens at
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the hospital. That's where they're declared dead. Answer by the warden.
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And that's not, you know, necessarily true. I mean it's
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where you are like sometimes yeah, Hayes, it's a joke
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because sometimes the bodies are still there and we know
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he's deceased, but then the doctor and the medical examiner
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declares at the hospital. But just I just want to
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be clear because with that statement, without me getting a
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little more clarification, people are going to read, wait a second,
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the warden said that he was still alive. He thought
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he was still alive. Now I want to make sure
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I'm clear. Are you saying that there was a chance
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for them to bring him back or based upon the
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conversation with someone and my follow would be that who
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did you believe that he was still alive? Answer? My
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assumption from what I was called was that they were
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working on him and he was he was being taken
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to the hospital. Question okay, answer, that's the term Hayes
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pipes in again. Wait, you were called at a certain time.
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Answer by the warden. Yeah, when the lieutenant called Hayes. Okay,
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Now the lieutenant says, he gets cut off by the investigator.
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So when you came back and found out did you
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ever find out that he wasn't showing signs of life
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when you came in and talked to people? Answer no,
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because at first when it happened, I wasn't going around
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questioning people about, Okay, what's going on with this? Because
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then I knew that it was a criminal case, but
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not criminal, but there was going to be an investigation
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into it, and so I didn't want to give the
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appearance of anything that I was interfering with any investigation.
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But when I did call, they said they're working on them,
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and that you know, he's being transported to the outside hospital.
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Question and who was it that provided you with that information?
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Answer the lieutenant lieutenant redacted Hayes. So you drew the
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inference from that answer, uh huh. Question and after that conversation,
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though in speaking with other people, you never gathered that, Oh,
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they were working on them, attempting to bring them back,
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but he was not alive. Answer. I didn't the assumption.
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My assumption was that he was deceased at the hospital.
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Question Okay, all right, do you want to follow up
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on that at all anymore? No follow up questions that
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kind of covers it. Hayes, Are we through now? Answer? Oh? Question? No, Hayes,
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Oh god. Question. We only have really very brief conversations left.
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All right. So this was an email sent from you
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to redacted. It just says subject names. It says Michael Thomas,
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Tovin Owell and redacted? Who were they? Were they the
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people that were listed? Answer because he wanted to know
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who was working up there that night? Question okay, answer
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who the staff was working there that night? Question? So
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why did you write redacted versus like redacted or someone
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else who was up there? Was redacted still there? Answer?
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No question at least redacted and redacted was redacted left
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off for any reason? Because I think redacted worked until
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midnight and redacted only worked until ten? Answer? No, for
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and I don't correct me if I'm wrong. I don't
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know if you wanted to know who was on the
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midnight shift, and then I included who was on ten South.
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I'm not sure. Question I think redacted was the OIC
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of the shift previous and then just Tovah redacted and
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Tova were the ones from midnight afterwards. Answer yeah, I
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think that ten South was redacted Adams. Answer yeah, so
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I don't know I remember it, but I know it
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had to do with the question about who was working
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question okay. Answer so, I don't know the specifics and
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why it's listed those three question and you don't know if, like,
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because these were who were considered the subjects. Answer no,
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I mean these two would have been obvious because they
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were working up there on the midnight shift. But I
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don't know why redacted got thrown in there. Question okay,
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mind just initially and dating that, okay? And this one
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is an email from Captain redacted to you, dated Sunday,
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August eleventh, twenty nineteen. It says subject a memorandum on
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Epstein and it says that this was dated August tenth,
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twenty nineteen. It's from Captain redacted. It's as subject to
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security exit spectations involving inmate Epstein. Jeffrey, are you familiar
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with this? Did you ever see this that he sent? Answer?
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I did? Question, do you know what the purpose of
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this was? Answer? Let me read it again? And while
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this would be conducted? I did. I informed staff indiscernible
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be dealing with inmate Epstein, and others were notified. I
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explained the lieutenants were to conduct indiscernible and at that
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point indiscernible. I explained I could and they would not. Indiscernible.
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Oh no, I was just asking him when the thing happened,
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what is the guidance he provided? Question? So what did
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he provide to like the Shoe staff and the lieutenant
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at least the last little point on the first page,
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so it says in detailed conversation with the Shoe lieutenant,
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he was informed of my expectations regarding the supervision of
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inmate Epstein. Specifically, he was reminded on several occasions that
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inmate Epstein was to be housed with the cellmate. Answer
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right question, So is this all like the expectation surrounding Epstein?
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Answer right question? And what he says during the week
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of July thirty one, twenty nineteen, in order to address
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management concerns within made Epstein. Do you know what he
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is talking about there with management concerns? Answer, the housing
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of them and in the special housing unit. All right, folks,
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we're gonna wrap up right there, and in the next
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episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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we left off. All the information that goes with this
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episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off
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with the interview of the warden from MCC with the
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OIG investigators. Question Okay, and do you know if according
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to this it looks like he's saying that he did
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perform an informal training session with the staff. Do you
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know if he in fact did that or is it
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just based upon what he wrote here? Answer? Just based
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upon what he sent out? Question Okay, so there is
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no other information aside from what he's telling you. Answer right, yeah,
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he told me that question. So this one I want
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to get your take on this matter. So this is
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back to redacted who was relieved at five point thirty.
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But she stayed at the institution at least until nine
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thirty and sent out that email detailing you know what
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day and the lieutenant's log and the daily activity log.
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So Captain redacted sent her an email on eight twelve,
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twenty nineteen, stating, Lieutenant redacted, I am reminding you to
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submit your supervisory memorandum for the inmate Epstein incident that
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occurred eight ten, twenty nineteen. Please have it complete and
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ready for submission. On eight thirteen, twenty nineteen, she responded
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with no addressing nothing, just saying just responded simply in
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your email, you stay quote, I'm reminding you end quote.
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I haven't spoken to you or anyone else regarding the
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incident involving inmate Epstein or anything else retaining to August tenth,
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twenty nineteen. So how is it possible for you to
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be reminding me? Second, I'd have properly relieved prior to
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the incident involving in made Epstein. What's your take on
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that email? The warden. First of all, any major incident
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that takes place in the institution, we have to do
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what's called a report of incident. He is well within
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the scope of his employment, asking Okay, where is your
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where is? And I don't know if he was asking
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her for the overall memorandum, like you are the shift lieutenant,
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you know when is when the incident took place, So
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technically you should have been doing the packet. So he's
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probably contacting her for that question. Well, she was relieved
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at five thirty am, but she's still there, and the
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incident happened at six thirty. And again she was there
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at least until nine thirty, and she did respond to
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the shoe afterwards, helping with the feeding. Should she have
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written a memorandum? Answer? Yes, question yes? Answer yes, I mean,
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she said she responded to the incident. Question, She didn't
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respond to the incident. She responded after the incident to
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help in the shoe with feeding and dealing with inmates.
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Mister Hayes jumps in. So somebody told her that the
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fucking guy hung himself. Should she have right the warden
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pipes in? Again, from what I gather, I am under
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the impression when the lieutenant relieved her, she was gone
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because and you know, and I can't speculate on what
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was there question? She said she stuck around working on
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matters that needed to catch up on, but it sounds
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like manipulating those numbers on the counts and stuff. Answer okay,
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question right answer. So let me ask you this question.
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I have I have a medical emergency, a suicide. Right,
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That is an emergency everyone in the institution has to
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respond to. Why didn't you respond to it? So you
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think that she may have come back after answer? It
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doesn't make sense to say he gets cut off again
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by the questioner. Well, she never sent out her required
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logs though, answer right, so that he gets cut off again.
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So you reviewed her emails, and I would think that
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she would have sent that out if she had left.
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I would think she would have sent that out before
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she left, right as required? Answer right? So did you
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leave and come back? I mean because if you were
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saying that you were there, you would have been one
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of the first responders up to the unit question. Yeah,
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answer for the emergency question. That's a really good point.
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I wish I would have thought of that, warden. I mean, so,
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and then if you if you didn't respond, why didn't
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you respond? Answer? If she is it the claim at all?
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I had been relieved I wasn't technically working the warden.
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If you're in the building, you have to respond question,
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is that right? Answer? It's an emergency question, okay answer.
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I mean as a lieutenant, I would want to respond
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and say, he gets cut off by the investigator. And
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so the fact that she states that she was there
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and she was working on her administrative responsibilities, so is
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that a problem. Then as the warden, what do you
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mean you're working on the administrative you should have responded
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to that emergency answer. No, but and I don't want
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to speculate on when you were there, But I just
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there is just some questions. Heyz Wade, I think he
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gets cut off and the warden picks up. Yeah, I
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mean it's a problem if you say you're working on it. Okay. Now,
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at what point did you say, okay, I need to
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because once they said that, hey, I have a suicide
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or something going on, which is probably over, you know,
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a real medical emergency, and you hear the transmission on
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the radio you're gonna go up there. So then you say, oh,
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I went up there later to help with the feeding.
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Either way, you were in the building, the captain's asking
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you it happened on your shift. You're responsible for conducting
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the report of the incident. Question, So that answer is yes,
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she should have written a memorandum. Answer, she should have
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written one. I don't understand why she didn't, you know? Question,
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and is that at all? Reading how she responded, is
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that insubordination at all to you? Answer? Listen, I'll put
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it this way. I can't speak on our other supervisors
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or how they tolerate, but if you had given me
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a memorandum like this, we would have been having a conversation.
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You know. Question, Is that at the very least inappropriate?
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I think it's inappropriate. I mean that's the way I
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read it. I thought it was inappropriate. Answer. I would
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have gone to have a conversation like you know, first,
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are you all right? And then secondly what is this?
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But yeah? Question fair enough? Hayes, Okay, listen. One last question?
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Does this give the implication that she's covering up for
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somebody or she just didn't know her job? The warden?
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I don't know. Question, We don't know. Had you heard
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anything about her covering up for someone? Answer? I haven't
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heard anything, but you know, he gets cut off by
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the investigator. Did you hear about inmates saying that she
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was making statements that she was going to cover for
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other people. Answer again, I don't want to make any statements.
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Question No, No, I'm asking you. The warden picks back
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up that are not factual. Question did you ever hear? Answer? No,
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I didn't hear anything. Question you never heard it? Answer right, Hayes,
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you know, and she don't say much. I mean, you know,
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if I was him, I would be drawing an inference,
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saying what the fuck's going on? Excuse my language, by
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the way, I have a filthy mouth. The warden. No,
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I mean, I understand what you're saying, but you know,
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I'm just my point of view is and my concern
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is if you were there, he gets cut off by Hayes.
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Your concern is you would have asked Unlike myself, you
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would have asked her a question first, rather than just
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jumping into which is what I did. The word answer
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is right because under the impression because when Lieutenant redacted
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called me, he was the operations lieutenant and he had
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relieved her. She had gone home already. Question. Well, he
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had certainly relieved her, but according to her, she hadn't
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gone home. Do you mind just initially and dating that answer? Yeah, question,
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maybe you asked this question and I just want to clarify,
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being that she started the shift at ten pm the
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night before. Right, warden, Uh huh. Question, Let's say that
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the incident did happen. We're not saying she did. We
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don't know if she went in and she altered the
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lieutenant logs for the previous shift. Did she do something wrong?
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The other investigator pipes in, well, and again we're knowing
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though that she started at ten pm, so that's still
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her shift. Back to the other investigator. Let's just say,
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you know the fact that the inmate wasn't moved until midnight,
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and then the clarification and the count, the count number
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is being changed in there. So now the lieutenant lag
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count numbers are accurate except the count and the actual
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count slips were completely off. So somewhere along the way
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someone altered those numbers to correct it. The lieutenant is
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required to take the count on each shift. Right, answer
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by the warden. Right, just to take one count? An
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institutional count question, not a physical in the shoe count
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Hayes right, Okay, And there was account entered right, and
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there is no question that at some point the count
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was altered. Answer by the warden the count was wrong? Question?
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So what agent redacted is asking, well, that obviously goes
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to show that she went back and changed those numbers
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to seventy two Hayes. But what was her motive to
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do that? Answer? She says, she was just trying to
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make things accurate, Hayes. But what would be an ulterior
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motive that would create the idea that she was doing
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something wrong? Question? It goes back to when you asked,
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is there something to do with a cover up? Answer? So,
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if and granted, mistakes are made in the log, but
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you also annotate that in the log, like you will
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put okay late entry, because typically if you say the
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log is done already, when you go back and make changes,
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you make changes for that reason alone. An investigator comes in,
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looks at it and says, well, wait a minute, it
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looks like you've been playing. You went back and just
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change the numbers, so you can put in there and
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you say okay, late entry. Explain what your change was
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and what the mistake was, you know, Hayes. So, really,
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with this to show malicious intent in her part, there's
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got to be something that influences her to protect one
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of the people that were no question, were fucking around, right,
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the two guys that were fucking around ended up getting pinched. Right, So,
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if one of them is her friend, and she's got
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a malicious motive to go try and cover for that guy,
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like did eight thousand indiscernibles police officer, he says, well,
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I thought she drew a gun on me and I
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shot her. Oh okay, nobody else saw that. Question But
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are you not aware of her involvement at all, you said,
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or covering up for them, or involvement in Epstein's death.
24:18
Answer No, she wouldn't have had that conversation with them.
24:22
Question and you weren't until now. It sounds like even
24:25
aware she was at the institution after five thirty am. Answer,
24:29
I was told that she left. Question okay, and again,
24:33
who told you that? Answer? The operations lieutenant, because he
24:37
called me and he says, hey, I relieved redacted. Question okay,
24:44
and did you have before we move on to the
24:46
next subject, do you have any more on that? Answer? No?
24:50
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
24:52
did the next episode dealing with the topic. We're gonna
24:55
pick up where we left off. All the information that
24:58
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
25:02
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
25:05
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
25:08
where we left off with the warden from MCC and
25:12
his interview with the OIG Inspectors. Question okay, so now
25:17
we're going to talk about the cameras. Answer okay. Question
25:22
were the shoe cameras recording on August ninth and tenth
25:25
of twenty nineteen. Answer? I didn't physically go check to
25:29
see if they were recording or not. Question did you
25:32
learn that they were not recording? Answer? Yeah, we found
25:35
out afterwards that they weren't recording. And to that, mister
25:39
Hayes jumps in again. Wait wait, wait, we had this conversation.
25:44
The cameras don't work in a lot of these institutions,
25:47
right answer yeah, question all right, and that's because they
25:50
didn't spend the fucking money to make sure the cameras work.
25:54
And I gotta stop saying fuck. Answer by the warden,
25:58
that's the issue too. Funding. And you know, so since
26:00
that incident, I guess there was some audits done by
26:03
the agency and they realized that it was kind of
26:05
a system. Indiscernible Hayes. But you see, the issue is
26:10
should you have checked. Why weren't the cameras working? Question
26:14
by the investigator. Well, that's my question is do you
26:17
know why they were not working? Answer? I don't know
26:20
the specific language that was used and what was wrong
26:23
with it, because I guess after I left, they kind
26:26
of made a determination on what was why. What was
26:29
the reason. I know we were going through the process
26:32
of auditing and fixing some cameras, but those specific shoe
26:35
cameras I wasn't aware of the extent. Question Okay, let's
26:41
just really quickly review the shoe camera documentation. Were you
26:45
ever provided any documentation or documents of a camera that
26:48
actually was working inside of the shoe? Answer you mean
26:52
the day of the Epstein thing? Question right at any time? Answer?
26:57
I don't recall. Question so, were you pro with this
27:01
this is right outside of ten south? Answer that says
27:05
camera angle out of ten south? Question right, were you
27:08
ever provided with that? As far he gets cut off,
27:14
it looks familiar, The warden says, question Okay, but you
27:18
don't remember specifically? Answer yeah, I don't specific question okay.
27:22
And then just while we're here, I guess, what are
27:25
these doors right to the right of this picture? Answer?
27:30
This door goes into ten South. Question okay, answer, and
27:34
then this one I think is a utility room door.
27:36
I'm not sure. Question okay, so the door that says
27:40
forty six goes into ten South. Answer that looks like
27:44
the ten south door. Wait yeah, the phone, Yeah that's
27:47
ten South. It looks like ten South. Question and what
27:51
are we looking at down here? Answer? So this is
27:54
right here is the officer station area. Question and do
27:58
you based upon that? Do you know what tire that
28:01
would be right there? Answer? Oh man, you got indiscernible stopped.
28:07
Let me is a G n H tier I think
28:09
if I remember? Question? And what would be to the
28:12
right of the officer station? Answer? Oh wait, g H
28:16
I JA, I don't remember. If it was I and J. Question,
28:22
would this be L tier up here? Answer? Yeah, L
28:25
and M tier. Question so right up right to the
28:29
right of the officers station looking at this picture would
28:32
be L And is that where mister Epstein was housed? Answer?
28:36
I believe he was on the L tier. Question Okay,
28:39
do you mind just initially and dating that? So here
28:43
is a map that we previously provided. Does this look
28:46
like the So this is where we were in the
28:50
camera angle, and it's focusing down here on the officer station.
28:54
This is el Tier on the second level, and this
28:57
is where Epstein would have been housed. Does that look right? Answer?
29:00
That looks right? Question okay, is this el Tier here?
29:04
Answer that's Eltier? Question? Does this look like that would
29:08
have been Epstein's door? I know you can't really see
29:11
here because of the police crossings? Answer? I noticed it
29:15
the crime scene tape? Question okay, do you have any
29:18
reason to believe that that wouldn't be Epstein's door? Answer?
29:23
What do you mean? Question? As far as I know,
29:26
we can't see the number he gets cut off by
29:28
the warden. Yeah, I don't know the number, but taking
29:31
your word for it, that that is it? Question Okay.
29:36
Now if you see this is al Tier range and
29:39
at the very end you see this camera. Should that
29:41
camera have been recording? Answer? Yes? Question okay? And is
29:46
that a camera that I'm actually looking at right there? Answer?
29:49
That's a camera Hayes pipes in. Was that camera recording? Question? Sir?
29:57
Do you know if that camera was recording? Answer? I
29:59
didn't see. After I left. I guess they said that
30:01
they had camera issues, but I don't know what I
30:04
wasn't provided information on what specific cameras were working or not? Question?
30:10
So they didn't tell you if they were working or not. Answer, well,
30:13
I remember I was removed. Question. I just didn't know
30:16
if you found out on the tenth or the eleventh.
30:20
Answer No, I was removed on the You know, they
30:22
said there were some camera issues and then what they
30:26
were doing they had the FBI came in and took
30:28
car drives, and I guess they were working to see
30:31
what was working and what wasn't working. Question can you
30:35
initially date that? The investigator, I'm not going to get
30:38
into this since he wasn't aware that they weren't recording.
30:43
Hayes pipes in again. Boy, I'm impressed by your thoroughness.
30:46
I'll tell you that much. The investigator responds, that's why
30:49
they put me on it. Hayes, You're very thorough. Answer yep, Hayes.
30:55
You know, if you if you are a good trial lawyer,
30:57
you know, allegedly a good trial lawyer, a lot of
30:59
times you're not supposed to be thorough. You're supposed to
31:02
put an idea in the jury's head right where you
31:05
can see they're invulnerable stray on that fucking idea, Because
31:09
if you're going to be thorough. You have to bring
31:12
out something that you don't want to bring out, you know,
31:14
so you to speak to the things, but you know
31:17
you got them the warden. Yeah. Question so this is
31:22
an email that was received. Who's redacted? Answer? He's the
31:25
facility manager. Question okay, so is this what I wanted
31:30
to show you? Hold on now? Did you print out
31:32
the one that I sent you this morning? Answer is
31:36
that that should be the last thing. He gets cut
31:38
off by the investigator. Okay, I'm not going to get
31:41
into those. So you weren't aware that the cameras were
31:44
not or you are not aware if the cameras were
31:47
or were not recording in the shoe. Answer No, we
31:51
had camera issues throughout the institution. Question okay. Answer, so
31:56
I don't know which specific one because we had mister
31:58
redacted working on a project to get some money for it.
32:02
Question okay, answer, And when it came to that specific night,
32:06
I didn't know if they were working or not. Question.
32:09
Were you ever told that either on August eighth or
32:12
August ninth, that the cameras were not recording in the shoe?
32:15
Answer I heard, Yes, I was told that there were
32:18
some issues with the camera he gets cut off by
32:21
the investigator on either the eighth or the ninth, prior
32:24
to Epstein. Answer no, on talking about afterwards, the investigator
32:28
continues on August ninth or August eight, even leading up
32:31
to Epstein being found. Were you informed that cameras were
32:34
not recording? Answer? No, I wasn't told about the cameras.
32:39
Question all right, So based on our investigation, we learned
32:42
that mcc SIS Lieutenant redacted and the aw became aware
32:48
on August eight, twenty nineteen, that at least some of
32:51
the mcc cameras were not recording. They contacted Contech redacted
32:55
and may have also notified Captain redacted. Did you ever
32:58
hear anything about that? Answer? I knew prior to that
33:02
that there was some cameras in the institution that needed
33:04
to be fixed, but not specifically the shoe. No question, okay.
33:09
And would that have been based upon what they found
33:12
the AWNSIS lieutenant Answer no, because we had some issues
33:17
with cameras and we were trying to seek funding and
33:21
we were trying to see, okay, what was working and
33:24
what to get fixed, but specifically in the shoe No question,
33:29
all right. So only because you said that you were
33:31
trying to get funding. Did you know that there were
33:34
already cameras at the institution that they were able to
33:37
replace When the FBI took the cameras on the tenth,
33:40
they were able to immediately replace them with cameras that
33:43
were on site. Answer, So cameras. All institutions always have
33:47
like backup cameras to fix when they're there. But I
33:51
was talking about funding to replace the whole system. Question.
33:55
So this was from fiscal year twenty eighteen back in September.
34:00
This is a memorandum from you from a manager acting
34:03
facilities manager, and these are all the different documents that
34:07
go with it regarding a new camera system that was purchased.
34:10
Answer right, question it was it looks like eight hundred
34:14
thousand dollars for this total. These are all the documents
34:19
that here you go. This is an approval of your
34:22
September eleventh, twenty eighteen request. So this is a memorandum
34:27
from it looks like redacted, the Assistant director for administration.
34:32
It says request to exceed the spending limit of fifty
34:35
thousand dollars on a work request number eight one five
34:38
eight replaced camera system at mcc New York. This work
34:43
is to replace the current degraded camera system. The total
34:46
cost of this work is not to exceed eight hundred
34:49
thousand dollars. And then at the bottom it says, if
34:53
you have any questions, please call me or have your
34:55
staff contact and how do you say that name? Do
34:58
you know? Did and redacted chief facility branch manager and
35:04
it says at the phone number, and then here are
35:07
the you know, the work orders for that. So we
35:10
have spoken with Signette who was the camera provider. They
35:13
said that on or around October or November twenty eighteen,
35:17
they were delivered. And then talking with redacted the city manager,
35:21
he said that they started working on the infrastructure of
35:24
the camera project on or around March twenty nineteen to
35:28
get everything ready for the new camera system that was
35:30
on site to be installed, and said that he gets
35:34
cut off by the warden. They had to run wires,
35:37
but the old system was there, so they had to
35:39
run wires and they had to get a contract done
35:42
in order because you needed the context and I forget
35:44
the wording that they used is to run the cables
35:47
or get the camera system in question, and you know
35:51
how long that typically takes to run the new wires
35:53
and all of that answer you would have the staff indiscernible.
35:58
We didn't have the staffing question, so there were two
36:01
people TD wide in the order to do that answer.
36:05
They started ted wying people in to come in. Hayes,
36:09
Wait a minute, can the staff run the new wires
36:11
or do you have to get an electrician to run
36:13
the wires? Answer by the warden, No, we have staff
36:17
that are qualified to do it. But then some of
36:19
them were new and really didn't know how to do it.
36:23
You know it was he gets cut off by the investigator.
36:26
So according to mister radaktid it says, the camera system
36:29
was scheduled to start March seventh, twenty nineteen, and it
36:33
started on schedule. When I arrived TDY February twenty nineteen,
36:38
we only had one communication technician. Therefore, after talking to
36:43
the regional office, they started a project to assist in
36:46
funding and labor. So we were able to start the
36:49
week of March seventeenth, twenty nineteen for the camera system
36:53
and all other infrastructure throughout the institution. Question below the
37:00
email sent to all institution from redacted the Northeast Facility
37:04
as administrator. But point being, it looks like the project
37:07
had started. Correct. Answer, it started, but he gets cut
37:10
off by the investigator. And I only say that because
37:14
I wanted to make sure you weren't confused because you
37:16
were saying we were looking for funding. Answer No, no,
37:20
I misspoke. What I'm saying is I meant that the
37:23
project started, but the cameras hadn't been replaced because they
37:26
were still running wires for to get the new system started,
37:30
so that unit still had the old cameras. Question right,
37:34
but then the camera system was actually on site and
37:37
they were working on it. Answer well, yeah, but they weren't.
37:41
You didn't have enough staff to install to you know,
37:44
to rewire the whole place because we had we wanted
37:47
to put one some of the ranges that never had cameras,
37:51
So it was a tedious project. Question I see. Answer
37:56
that required us to tdy staff from other institutions, and
38:00
then you know, he gets cut off by the investigator. Yeah.
38:03
And where you kept apprized of where they were on
38:06
that on the camera project? Answer? I would inquire about it,
38:11
like where we were with it, but we were to
38:13
the point where we were bringing people in from other
38:16
institutions to get it done. Question Okay, and do you
38:20
know when the camera system was scheduled to actually be
38:22
installed or was it ever scheduled? Answer from and if
38:27
I remember right, it was a matter of before you
38:29
even installed it, you had to run the wiring for it.
38:32
Question right, And that's what they were saying in March
38:36
of twenty nineteen. Answer, but that had been completed because
38:40
you had the TDY people there and to get it done.
38:43
Question And they were never provided you with an update
38:46
as far as like when it would actually be completed.
38:50
Answer it was still ongoing. Question Okay, answer now, But
38:56
after I left, they get people in there and they
38:58
completed it. Question Yeah. Yeah, because I think I think
39:04
the whole week we were able to complete the whole
39:06
thing correct answer, I don't know. Question, you don't know? Answer,
39:11
you know, because they had people come in from different institutions.
39:15
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right there, and
39:17
in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
39:19
pick up where we left off. All the information that
39:21
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
39:25
What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
39:28
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to
39:32
the warden from mcc and his interview with the olig inspectors.
39:37
Question now was that did they ever did the facilities manager,
39:41
captain whomever ever explain to you how bad the system
39:45
was and that it kept on shutting down and stopping,
39:48
you know, cameras weren't recording. Answer. I mean, we would
39:51
have had incidents where, you know, something would happen and
39:54
we tried to go back and find the tape and
39:56
we couldn't, so it would break down. They would fix it. So,
40:00
I mean, we did have issues like that before, but
40:03
it was the age of the cameras. You know, we
40:06
had infrastructure issues. Question because yeah, the contact claims that,
40:11
you know, like he had been I mean he's a
40:13
very soft spoken person, but like basically screaming at the
40:17
top of his lungs as much as a very soft
40:20
spoken person can. We need to fix these things. This
40:23
is a continual problem. Answer. So here is what it is.
40:27
We don't have the money readily available at an institution
40:30
to fix it. That money comes from what we call
40:33
buildings and funds, which is funded by Congress. So you
40:36
would have to talk to somebody in the region about
40:39
what the regional budget is. But other institutions have issues
40:42
going on. Question, But being that we have all these
40:46
cameras already on site and they had already done the
40:49
wiring for you know, at least six months prior to that. Answer, well,
40:53
not all the wiring. He gets cut off by the investigator. No, No,
40:59
I'm just saying like that. I'm just trying to get
41:02
a feel for what the plan here and who was responsible. Answer.
41:06
While the plan was to get the manpower to get
41:08
it installed, but at the time we only had one person,
41:11
which was redacted, So one person can't right. But even
41:17
the TDY staff came, they did help, you know, But
41:20
then we also had other TDY staff that were coming
41:23
in for because of our staffing issues. Question. Well, that's
41:28
what redacted told us, that the TDY staff that was
41:31
a signed for him. Sometimes we're getting put on custody posts.
41:35
Do you know if that is accurate or not? Answer?
41:38
We might have had to do it a time or
41:40
two because we wanted the staff. Question and whose responsibility
41:44
were the cameras to make sure that those things were
41:47
going to be operational and working properly. Answer, Well, it's
41:51
not a matter of who was responsible. It's like working
41:54
on getting it installed. So there was no deadline as
41:58
far as you know, okay, when they had to be up,
42:01
you know, they just had to be installed. Question Okay,
42:04
because we were told that the cameras are the captain's baby,
42:07
is that accurate? Answer? No, No, it's not, Hayes, that
42:11
can't be true. Captains don't know how to install that question. No, No,
42:16
not to install them, but to make sure that they're
42:19
operational and to get the right people to actually get
42:21
it done. Hayes, That can't be right either, because how
42:28
the fuck would you know who the right people are?
42:31
Question because we were told is that this is constantly happening,
42:35
whereas the cameras would stop working and then nothing would
42:38
be recorded. The only way you can find out what's
42:41
happening is to physically check the DVR recording to see
42:44
if there has a light on it, or if you
42:47
try to attempt to rewind and you're unable to because
42:50
everything is still live monitored feed showing, so you can't
42:54
tell just by looking at the cameras. It's only when
42:56
you try to rewind them that you can say, oh
42:58
my gosh, they're not recording. Answer, right, but that it
43:03
wasn't just as simple as that. I mean, there were
43:05
technical aspects of it that you had to check to
43:07
see if the cameras are working or not. Question, Oh, absolutely,
43:13
answer right, and the captain basically looking to see if okay,
43:17
is the screen up and then is it recording? But
43:20
there were some instances where the hard drives weren't working,
43:23
and you don't know that until you get deep into
43:26
into the system. So I wouldn't know, like the fact
43:28
that the only way that we would know if the
43:31
hard drives were not working is by going in to
43:33
check the video, and the video there is no videos
43:37
that they can pull back. That's when they know that
43:40
the hard drive stop recording, stop recording, and then and
43:45
then look at them. But then this is you know,
43:48
there was other technical aspects of that. You know. Hayes
43:54
jumps in again, I can't imagine that the captain would know.
43:58
I sure Azelle wouldn't question. So I guess knowing though
44:02
that this was like a reoccurring problem and that the
44:04
fact that, well, what we didn't say is it seems
44:08
it appears that the cameras actually stop recording all the
44:11
way back in July, and for half of the institution,
44:14
who should have made sure that the camera system was
44:17
replaced and that we had operational camera systems in there. Answer, well,
44:21
the centralized area, and I don't know where the breakdown was.
44:24
So if it's centralized area, then it would be, you know,
44:27
within our facility department, they have access to it. Question well,
44:32
the camera you're asking where the cameras are? Answer no, no,
44:36
the com room. Question yeah, the com room where these
44:39
recorders were. We're all in the SIS secured area. Answer
44:43
by the word and right, the actual cameras. But where
44:46
if you go out where and I don't know the word,
44:48
what's the word? Where your centralized main area is for
44:51
the whole system. Yeah, that SIS area has the cameras.
44:56
Question not the control room, but it's the back around
45:00
where it's a locked door within the SIS lock room
45:03
where the actual DVR recording and rack is and everything.
45:11
Question Yeah, yeah, that's is that what you're talking about?
45:14
Answer that? But there is also another should be another
45:18
area in the institution just for the communications where everything
45:21
comes into. So I don't know if that was back
45:24
there or whatever, but our facilities department, you know, their
45:27
communication guys check that if there is something intricate with it.
45:32
Question Now, so, was either a mister redacted or mister adacted.
45:36
How do you pronounce his name? Redacted? Was redacted? Or
45:39
a Captain redacted? Were either of them expressing the need
45:42
to you at all, to hey, we need to get
45:45
these things fixed. Answer? I mean the request had been
45:48
sent up. Question yeah, yeah, answer so yeah. Question and
45:53
these were all on site? Answer right, so yeah, I
45:56
mean we were going through the process of getting the
45:59
system up and answer, but there was no set schedule
46:03
for when it was actually going to be completed. Answer no,
46:06
because we had to TDY people. Sometimes we got them in,
46:10
sometimes we couldn't get them in, and then towards the end,
46:14
you know, boil down the money with getting people in
46:16
to come fix them. Question and when the people are
46:20
td why do you when you say boil down the money,
46:23
does that come out of MCC's pocket. Answer It comes
46:27
out of our budget. It comes out of budget, it
46:30
comes out of the region sometimes gives it plus on
46:33
top of that, we were for TDY to come to
46:36
our correctional post because we were so short. Question all right,
46:41
so what would you say is the main reason then
46:43
that the cameras were on site but not installed lack
46:46
of manpower and funding? Answer? Well manpower to get it
46:50
in and then it kind of boiled down to funding,
46:53
you know, to keep TDY people to get it done. Hayes.
46:57
But do you have money you can really keep the
47:00
ty people. You don't have money, you can't keep them,
47:02
you know. Question But again there was no one there
47:05
that's actual set schedule of it will be operational by
47:09
the end of this calendar year or anything like that.
47:12
Answer no, question that wasn't discussed. Answer that wasn't discussed.
47:17
We were trying, you know, doing the best we can
47:19
with the hand that we were dealt. Question Okay, and
47:23
Monday morning quarterbacking that should it have been discussed or
47:26
planned ahead that these cameras be installed? Answer what I
47:31
I don't understand the question. Question well, being that there
47:34
is it would seem that there was potentially around two
47:37
weeks and no cameras and in the shoe no cameras
47:40
aside from the one outside of ten South. Answer right,
47:44
question that we're recording. But it was according to the
47:48
you know, according to the facilities as well as the contech.
47:51
They said it was very well known that this continually
47:54
happened and that the contach guy continually had to rebuild
47:57
hard drives because they kept crapping out and not recording. Answer.
48:04
I mean, it's an antiquated system. So when you go down, yeah,
48:08
obviously you go fix it. But nobody knew until after
48:11
the fact that you you know that you had a
48:13
system that was out for two weeks, you know, I
48:15
mean you go to any other any other institution, the
48:18
cameras go down, and when the system breaks, somebody discovers
48:22
it and they fix it. But as far as getting
48:25
the new system up, we were working on it. Question, Okay,
48:28
you want to follow up with any of that the
48:31
next investigator pipes in you mentioned no one knew, but
48:34
the problem was, according to the contact, the system failed.
48:38
The motherboard had to be replaced. They had a failure,
48:41
and then, of course no one checked it until the
48:44
eighth August eighth, when the aw and the lieutenant went
48:47
in and they tried to review video. Now, being that
48:51
they identified the system wasn't working that day, how soon
48:55
should it have been fixed? Answer? What do you mean
49:01
when they write this is two days before that? The
49:04
investigator pipes in that Epstein was found. If they identified
49:08
on the eighth that, hey, listen in, the camera isn't
49:10
working it's technically not recording. How much of a priority
49:14
is it to make sure that those cameras are up
49:16
and running immediately? Answer, it's a priority. So what happens is,
49:22
and we have run into this before, the parts Sometimes
49:26
the parts weren't readily available, so you have to go
49:28
somewhere and call for parts. And depending on where it's at,
49:32
it could be in California or whatever. So you got
49:34
to see how long it takes to get that part. Question.
49:38
My understanding is that it was the hard drive that
49:40
they needed, right, and the hard drive was sitting with
49:43
the computer service the other investigator. Yeah, on the eighth
49:48
they weren't able to get it the warden, I don't
49:51
know question, And on the ninth they got it. But
49:54
then he claims that he wasn't able to gain access
49:57
to the room because it was an SIS shop and
50:00
he needed to go until later in the day and
50:03
they were gone. And on the tenth he gets cut
50:06
off by the warden. We have emergency keys to get
50:08
into any area of the institution. So if he's saying
50:11
he couldn't get into the SIS office, you got the captain,
50:15
you know, we got the text that working there. We've
50:18
got their glasses behind what we call in control center,
50:21
behind the box. You know we can get that box open. Question.
50:25
So he said that the only way to be able
50:27
to get into it is if he broke the glass. Answer,
50:30
he can break the glass. Question it's okay that he
50:33
would have done that? And then should he have answer? Yeah,
50:36
if he couldn't reach you could just well he should
50:39
have gone to the captain or somebody and said, hey, cap,
50:42
I need to get into your sis office. Question. Do
50:45
you think it's at all acceptable if new on August
50:48
Day that these cameras were down, that he didn't actually
50:51
start working on it, or at least I guess he
50:54
was working on getting the parts, but then got the
50:56
parts again on the sometime on the ninth, claims he
51:00
didn't work on it because he couldn't get into the office,
51:03
so he was going to work on it on the
51:05
tenth on that Saturday. So the question that I would
51:09
pose to you is did he notify anybody that he
51:11
couldn't get in there? Did he make any attempt to
51:13
contact the captain or anybody to say, hey, I need
51:16
to get into that office to get a part to
51:18
do it? Because if he had told the captain, that
51:21
the captain would have got the office open for him. Question. Yeah,
51:25
I agree with you. It's he says that the MCC
51:28
was a different so that any other BOP institution in
51:31
the country that would have happened with his experience taught
51:34
him that at the MCC, basically it could wait until tomorrow. Warden.
51:42
So that's his opinion. But again I'm going to pose
51:44
a question, who did he bring the issue up to,
51:48
because my thing is, if you know it's an emergency
51:50
and it's a situation to say this is the MCC
51:54
is a cop out question? And is it would that
51:58
be classified as an emergency the warden? If the cameras
52:01
are down, yeah, question, that's an emergency. So Warden, let's
52:07
get them back. He should have gotten in there, and
52:12
he knows he could have gotten into the room, because
52:14
you can we can break if he said that stuff
52:17
was sitting in there, whatever room he said it was
52:19
in there, guess what, you can break the glass. You
52:22
can break the glass after hours if you need to,
52:24
and it's an emergency to get in into the area. Question.
52:29
So his claim is that he has rebuilt these things
52:32
so many times, and everyone knew that these cameras needed
52:35
to be reinstalled, and he had been saying that they
52:38
needed to be reinstalled, and now he's being looked at
52:41
as the fall guy. The warden, I don't This is
52:46
not an issue of being the fall guy question, right, Warden.
52:50
So let's take every issue we just talked about. We
52:52
talked about the camera project that we were working on.
52:55
We were getting the people in there to work. So
52:58
now let's talk about the specific issue that you were
53:00
talking about. He did not notify anybody to get into
53:03
that room to get that part. That part was to
53:05
fix the current system. It had nothing to do with
53:08
this new system coming in. This is he's saying that
53:12
this was a part that we needed to fix to
53:15
get put in to deal with the current system. Now,
53:19
what about the fact that Lieutenant redacted as saying both
53:22
she and the aw knew that the cameras were down
53:24
on August eight, They told Redacted to fix them, and
53:27
they also notified Lieutenant redacted, so that she not only
53:31
notified the captain but wrote a memo and provided it
53:34
to them about the cameras being down on the eighth.
53:38
So at that point, what are the responsibilities of the
53:40
captain and the aw answer, So what the captain does
53:44
is he notifies facilities where redacted works for and says, hey,
53:48
the cameras are broken, you need to fix them. Answer,
53:52
so should the captain have on the ninth ensure that
53:54
those things were fixed? Answer? Well, I don't know what
53:58
conversation he had with facilities to say, we are getting
54:01
you know, was it being fixed or not? Question? Well,
54:06
the ninth is a Friday, So the eighth is when
54:09
we were told that he was told, informed and learned,
54:12
So we have all Friday on the ninth to make
54:15
sure it's done. On the tenth, unfortunately, is when we
54:19
know the severity of the issue. The other investigator, but
54:21
that's my point. You knew that, okay, you were made
54:24
aware that the cameras needed to be fixed. Okay, So
54:26
your answer, what you're saying is I couldn't get into
54:29
a certain area. So but my question is should the
54:34
A and W or the captain have followed up with
54:36
that to make sure that it was actually being done?
54:39
Answer to them, I don't know. You know, I don't
54:42
want to make the assumption because I don't know there
54:45
could have been some follow up. I don't want to
54:47
speak on it, but you know if he had told
54:49
them something on the eighth. You know, I don't know
54:51
the conversations that were taking place between them, like where
54:55
is that and what is he saying? Right now? I'm
54:58
responding to what he is saying and to make sense question, Yeah, no,
55:02
I would just think that, you know, being a captain
55:05
or an A and W would be WHOA, the cameras
55:08
are down in the institution, Well, let's make sure that
55:10
those things are back up, so they would at least
55:12
check back in on the ninth and say, hey, where
55:15
are we on this thing? The warden. But then I
55:19
don't know, you know what the conversation was. I don't
55:22
know if on the ninth weredacted even came to work
55:25
question right answer, I don't know. He could have said, oh, well,
55:29
I'm not going so I don't know. I don't want
55:32
to speculate on that part. Question. Yeah, yeah, no, that's
55:35
what we're trying to tell you. We know he was
55:38
there on the eighth, he couldn't get the parts. On
55:41
the ninth, he got the parts. But then he said
55:44
he tried to get into the SIS office and he
55:46
was told by the lieutenant it wasn't an SIS tech
55:50
because there were only two people there. It was somebody
55:54
that monitored the telephones. I think he's now retired. Tay. Answer, Tay, Yeah. Question.
56:00
Tay was there and he said, I'm getting ready to
56:03
leave and he can't come in here without me, And
56:05
then he said I didn't have access to the room
56:07
after that. So the plan was to come in on
56:10
the tenth, the Saturday, because I was coming in anyway,
56:13
and that's when I was going to work on it.
56:15
Answer by the warden. He's the comm shop. He can
56:18
go anywhere where there are computers. Question, So that is
56:22
not an acceptable answer that he provided. Question or answer.
56:25
I don't understand the answer. Question Okay, answer. It's because
56:29
that room is not in where the SIS shop is.
56:33
That's the phone monitor room. That's the camera room, and
56:36
the key for the camera room is now I think
56:39
it's only the SIS lieutenant and the SIA that has
56:42
keys for it. Question, And that's what the SIS office said.
56:48
They said that he gets cut off by the warden.
56:51
So the phone monitor is in the SIS. But he
56:54
draws keys to get into that room. So the room
56:57
is all and you can draw keys to get into
56:59
the room. Investigator, When you draw keys, what do you mean. Answer, well,
57:05
you get them from control center, you know. Question Well,
57:10
we were told by Lieutenant redacted the only way to
57:13
get them is to break the glass, which could have
57:16
done but gets cut off by the warden. You could
57:19
have broken the glass and that time of eight o'clock,
57:22
the captain is there. The security controls all the keys
57:25
in the institution, is there. You can go to them
57:28
and say, hey, I need the key. Question now, did
57:33
either of the captain or the A and W inform
57:35
you of the issue? Answer? No, I don't recall anything
57:40
about the issue. Question should they have if it was
57:44
a Thursday they found out and it was all you
57:47
weren't here for that? Answer? I wasn't there on Friday?
57:52
Question Okay, answer, I wasn't there on Friday. Question you
57:56
weren't even there on Friday? Yeah, I know. He gets
58:01
cut off by the investigator. So I'm sorry. Can you
58:04
remind me who was acting in your stead on Friday?
58:08
The warden? I believe it was redacted I think. Question
58:12
so you weren't even there? Answer? Yeah, question our understanding
58:16
is I think captain was in the institution two at
58:18
about eight pm on Friday. Could Redact it have been
58:23
to any time during that period. Answer he could have been,
58:26
I mean, just you can't if it's an emergency to
58:29
get something for I don't understand. Yeah, question no, you can.
58:36
You can get in there, so I don't know, question right,
58:41
especially in the shoe. Hey's right, especially in the shoe.
58:44
A right, folks, who're gonna wrap up right there and
58:46
in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
58:48
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