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"Robin? Do You Wear Tights?" Ep. 105 5/2/2026 · Cigars and Cinema Podcast

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1:11
SPEAKER_02: Hello everybody.
1:12
SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to another episode of Cigars and Cinema Podcast.
1:16
SPEAKER_02: Excited to be back for this week.
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SPEAKER_02: If you're unfamiliar, this is the podcast where we smoke cigars, analyze them, and also uh give extreme opinions on film and entertainment.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm one of your hosts from the East Coast from OGT Cigars, Eric Drazen, and with me my co-host from the West Coast, Curtis Bailey.
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SPEAKER_02: Curtis, good to be back at it.
1:37
SPEAKER_02: Another movie, another cigar.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm looking forward to tonight because I I think this discussion is going to be interesting.
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SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, it doesn't get derailed too much.
1:53
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, we're going to be uh smoking a great cigar tonight.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, let us know what you are smoking tonight and what you are pairing if you are making a pairing.
2:02
SPEAKER_02: Now, very quickly, we had a little bit of a shifting around, so we're finishing off um from last month's variety, and then we'll be moving on to this month's variety pack very shortly.
2:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, as I see, we got some comments dropping down.
2:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, let's see here.
2:16
SPEAKER_02: We're gonna go and pull them up.
2:17
SPEAKER_02: RJ's on saying, Hello, Eric and Curtis.
2:19
SPEAKER_02: Tonight I am smoking an Emerald Knight.
2:22
SPEAKER_02: Just received them yesterday and couldn't wait to smoke one tonight.
2:25
SPEAKER_02: I usually let them sit a bit, but couldn't resist to light this one up.
2:28
SPEAKER_02: We were just talking about Understandable.
2:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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unknown: Yeah.
2:31
SPEAKER_02: Curtis just got his in.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh, for those unfamiliar, if you're watching, this is the recent drop from OGT Cigar Society, the Emerald Knight.
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SPEAKER_02: This is one in a set of five cigars to come.
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SPEAKER_02: The only way to obtain the cigar is through the OGT Cigar Society.
2:45
SPEAKER_02: It's a very special, three-year-aged Brazilian Habano.
2:48
SPEAKER_02: I absolutely love it.
2:49
SPEAKER_02: We've been starting to get cut uh some of our members, society members, uh respond, and the feedback has been nothing but positive.
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SPEAKER_02: So super glad to hear people are enjoying it.
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SPEAKER_02: Jump on the baton wagon while you still have the ability.
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SPEAKER_02: If you want to get the Emerald Knight and you haven't gotten it yet, you got to join the society to pick it up.
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SPEAKER_02: So don't miss out.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, also, we got tonight uh Jason is on saying hello, Eric and Curtis, smoking an Agonorsa.
3:13
SPEAKER_02: Now I have a machine gun with some whistle pig.
3:16
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
3:16
SPEAKER_02: That is an aged Agonorsa right there.
3:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no kidding.
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SPEAKER_02: Can't go wrong with a whistle pig, though.
3:21
SPEAKER_02: Always a win.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, very quickly, before we jump into it, I just want to make an announcement uh that's going on this Thursday.
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SPEAKER_02: If you guys watch this podcast, also I highly encourage you to tune in two days from now, same time on Thursday.
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SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be hosting El Mago cigars.
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SPEAKER_02: This is the newest company to drop.
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SPEAKER_02: So fantastic stuff.
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SPEAKER_02: If you guys haven't yet, uh, not only to like chance to win the raffle, but check out El Mago cigars.
4:10
SPEAKER_02: I've been really impressed.
4:11
SPEAKER_02: Newest brand from PCA Trade Show.
4:14
SPEAKER_02: Um, let's see here.
4:16
SPEAKER_02: Brian Silva saying he's listening from the car, commuting home from work.
4:20
SPEAKER_02: Well, Brian, drive safe.
4:21
SPEAKER_02: Sorry that you're stuck with us, but hopefully we can make your drive a bit quicker.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
4:26
SPEAKER_00: What's up, Brian?
4:27
SPEAKER_02: Good to hear from you.
4:28
SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, Raider Dave.
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SPEAKER_02: Good evening, guys.
4:30
SPEAKER_02: Love this movie.
4:31
SPEAKER_02: Looking forward to hearing a review of it.
4:33
SPEAKER_02: Uh, I think it right now, since that was Raider Dave, maybe we should talk a little bit about what Raider Dave sent us.
4:38
SPEAKER_00: I was thinking the same thing.
4:39
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
4:40
SPEAKER_02: So uh, shout out to Raider Dave.
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SPEAKER_02: He sent, he took the time not only to uh like text me and Curtis separately and say, hey, there's this fantastic bourbon that I want you guys to try, but he also sent it to us all me all the way to the East Coast.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: A bit of a shorter trip for uh Curtis being on the West Coast, but he sent this because he wanted us to pair our cigar with it tonight.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: So thank you so much, Dave.
5:02
SPEAKER_02: I really appreciate it.
5:04
SPEAKER_02: Such a cool concept.
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SPEAKER_02: And me and Curtis have uh only been able to do like the same pairing cigar since moving, I think one other time.
5:12
SPEAKER_02: So makes it really special.
5:15
SPEAKER_02: Really, really special.
5:16
SPEAKER_02: So as we get this open, uh, let's see here.
5:18
SPEAKER_02: A comment from Richard saying, Eric, did I get the 601 cigars from you?
5:21
SPEAKER_02: Uh the 601 blue, yes, we do have that in stock.
5:25
SPEAKER_02: Fantastic Broadly from Espinoza.
5:27
SPEAKER_02: Incredible.
5:28
SPEAKER_02: He says, I heard a funny story about Andre the Giant in this movie.
5:32
SPEAKER_02: Really?
5:34
SPEAKER_02: I did not know he was in movies.
5:35
SPEAKER_00: I was about to say where in the movie is he?
5:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, interesting.
5:38
SPEAKER_00: Okay, maybe confusing it with uh um Princess Bride since Carrie Elwis is in both.
5:46
SPEAKER_02: True, true, true, true.
5:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, interested to hear about that.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: Um The Bee's Knees Short barrel 107.8 proof.
6:00
SPEAKER_02: Wow, it's hot.
6:02
SPEAKER_02: It's hot 53.9%.
6:05
SPEAKER_02: Very nice.
6:05
SPEAKER_02: I really like this mini bottle too.
6:07
SPEAKER_02: It's like these are handy.
6:08
SPEAKER_02: That's pretty cool.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: Pretty cool.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, so we're gonna go ahead and pour this um to get to get a sense of the bouquet.
6:15
SPEAKER_02: Curtis and I both have not had this yet, so this will be like blind tasting um on the live podcast.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: And also uh in honor of having a special night, I have it poured in my commemorative Oz glass that I took in California.
6:30
SPEAKER_02: Hmm.
6:31
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
6:35
SPEAKER_02: Brady on the nose for me.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, there is the brown sugar, you know, caramel vanilla that you typically get.
6:46
SPEAKER_00: But I'm making something else up that's almost a little um uh aromatic, like uh I don't know, is it like eucalyptus?
6:59
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:00
SPEAKER_02: I I'm definitely getting that brown sugar for sure.
7:03
SPEAKER_02: Brown sugar there, a little bit still of like rye bread, but yeah, maybe that's what I'm picking up.
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SPEAKER_00: Strong, strong nose.
7:13
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah, here we go.
7:14
SPEAKER_02: First impressions.
7:15
SPEAKER_02: I'll I'll talk a little bit while Curtis takes his first sip so it's not just dead silent.
7:19
SPEAKER_02: And uh as he's experiencing, my turn.
7:22
SPEAKER_02: What do you think of it?
7:23
SPEAKER_00: That is good.
7:24
SPEAKER_00: Um, you can definitely you can taste the proof, it's there.
7:28
SPEAKER_00: Um you know it's buttery.
7:32
SPEAKER_02: It is, yeah.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: Wow, that is good stuff.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: Uh, Raider Dave saying the bourbon was finished in honey barrels.
7:39
SPEAKER_02: Well, there you go.
7:40
SPEAKER_02: Okay, hence bees knees.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: I like that.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: A little bit of honey sweetness, maple as well, and I can see that like yeah, buttery, oily finish.
7:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it's it's really rich, very rich.
7:55
SPEAKER_02: And it's not your typical, like um kind of medicinal cherry finish bourbon either.
8:02
SPEAKER_00: No, I don't get a lot of that character at all.
8:04
SPEAKER_00: No, and it's not very tannic.
8:08
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
8:09
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it was uh Dave.
8:11
SPEAKER_00: If you know, I'm curious how long this was aged.
8:14
SPEAKER_00: My guess is that it's not super old, but I might be wrong.
8:18
SPEAKER_02: Well, I know too, Dave is also a fan of like um higher proof stuff.
8:23
SPEAKER_02: So this yeah, I understand why this is in the wheelhouse.
8:26
SPEAKER_02: RJ saying, Man, you guys are making that sound pretty good.
8:29
SPEAKER_02: What is the name of it?
8:30
SPEAKER_02: It's uh the bee's knees, but honestly, I'm gonna open the comment floor for Raider Dave.
8:36
SPEAKER_02: Right, Dave, if you can drop down like what you know of it, the brand name, such like that.
8:40
SPEAKER_02: If people want to try it, see if they can get a hold of it, um, please do so.
8:44
SPEAKER_02: I think that would be pretty cool.
8:45
SPEAKER_02: And thank you again.
8:46
SPEAKER_02: This is quite the experience.
8:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: So, in the spirit of blind tasting tonight, uh, and I feel really bad because Jason had reached out earlier said, Hey, what are you guys smoking for the show?
8:57
SPEAKER_02: And I told him Agonorsa, however, we had a last minute change, but we're smoking something uh from the last variety pack.
9:05
SPEAKER_02: This was the March variety pack that this came in.
9:07
SPEAKER_02: You'll notice amongst all the cigars, there is an unbanded cigar in there.
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SPEAKER_02: That is a Maduro that we have yet to release that we are aging.
9:15
SPEAKER_02: And I can't really disclose anything about it in terms of the maker or anything like this.
9:22
SPEAKER_02: I can tell you that it has about a year of age, and it has a San Andreas Maduro wrapper, and it is a six by fifty uh Toro.
9:34
SPEAKER_02: So that's like the extent of it.
9:36
SPEAKER_02: But I'm excited to see, Curtis, what you think.
9:38
SPEAKER_02: Um such like that.
9:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, so let's go ahead and give it a cut.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: And let's see here.
9:45
SPEAKER_02: Richard's saying, I have a gift set of two crystal glasses and an unopened bottle of crown royal at maybe 50.
9:53
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's time to pull that out.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: Just saying, like maybe for the occasion.
9:58
SPEAKER_02: I mean, what other occasion than Robin Hood men and tights?
10:03
SPEAKER_02: All right, good wide open draw.
10:06
SPEAKER_02: Very earthy on the flavor, minerally almost.
10:09
SPEAKER_00: It's super mild to me.
10:12
SPEAKER_02: Gritty too.
10:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, nothing crazy though.
10:16
SPEAKER_02: It's not like crazy peppery spices.
10:18
SPEAKER_00: I get a little bit of that very characteristic like black tea flavor.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
10:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: All right.
10:26
SPEAKER_02: Well, we're gonna get this lit up and see where it starts.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: Every cigar leaves an impression.
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SPEAKER_00: However, it's not until you take a moment and analyze the full experience from construction to flavor to profile that you can truly appreciate it.
10:41
SPEAKER_02: So enjoy your cigar as you light it up.
10:43
SPEAKER_02: Take the time to toast it, smell the room note, and experience the first notes as they come alive.
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SPEAKER_00: In the same way, movies can tell deeper stories or show us things we haven't noticed on the surface.
10:55
SPEAKER_00: So journey with us as we take a more detailed appreciation for the craft of cigar and movie making.
11:05
SPEAKER_02: So, this is one of those cigars that uh, like I said, it is a future release, has not been released yet.
11:10
SPEAKER_02: I have smoked a number of them, namely last night.
11:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh, because I kind of keep going back to it and saying, okay, where is it now?
11:17
SPEAKER_02: I think it's a really special blend.
11:18
SPEAKER_02: I love the look of it.
11:19
SPEAKER_02: Very textured, dark, good San Andreas, an excellent balance.
11:23
SPEAKER_02: You get some of that spiciness, you get some sweetness also, that minerally flavor still there.
11:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I don't know, Curtis, what what are you getting?
11:30
SPEAKER_00: I'm getting big leather on this.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: Leather in a big way.
11:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: How's the uh how's the draw?
11:40
SPEAKER_02: How's the smoke output?
11:43
SPEAKER_00: Both seemed great so far.
11:45
SPEAKER_02: Nice, nice.
11:47
SPEAKER_00: There's maybe also um a little bit of a uh a cookie flavor.
11:54
SPEAKER_00: You know, just like the actual cookie part of a chocolate chip cookie.
11:58
SPEAKER_02: Okay, yeah.
12:00
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see here.
12:03
SPEAKER_02: Raider Dave's saying it's typically aged five to six years, but some single barrels have been known to be as old as nine.
12:09
SPEAKER_02: Not sure how long it sits in the honey barrel.
12:11
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
12:12
SPEAKER_02: That that kind of tracks.
12:14
SPEAKER_02: I feel like uh this is gonna be a good pairing because it is a high ABV for a bourbon, but also this cigar is not too light, it's got a pretty heavy, forceful palette.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree.
12:27
SPEAKER_00: It's not shy at all.
12:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
12:33
SPEAKER_02: Interested to see where this goes.
12:35
SPEAKER_02: Um, I also like when a cigar like I don't know if you can see it, but like smokes out the the head of it, like once you cut it, just keeps going.
12:42
SPEAKER_02: It's a this thing's a smokestack, it's kind of crazy.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, but really good.
12:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, get some of that sweetness, also a bitterness, like a black coffee bitterness to balance it out.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's I think that's the flavor I was just trying to nail down.
12:55
SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's um it's aggressive in a good way.
12:59
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
13:00
SPEAKER_02: I recently said this before.
13:01
SPEAKER_02: Uh, the OGT Cigar Society is the central hub of where all of our limited and exclusives like the cigar we're smoking right now.
13:09
SPEAKER_02: So sometimes there is uh other availability for the cigars after they've gone through the membership.
13:14
SPEAKER_02: But I highly encourage anyone watching if you want something like the Emerald Knight or something like this, just always join the membership.
13:20
SPEAKER_02: You reserve that five pack and you basically get to try all of the projects that we're working on all year.
13:25
SPEAKER_02: So really good blend.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: So speaking of the Emerald Knight, real quick, I'm just curious.
13:30
SPEAKER_00: Did you ever see that movie The Green Knight?
13:33
SPEAKER_02: I have not.
13:34
SPEAKER_02: It is on the list.
13:35
SPEAKER_02: We talked about it when I was back at the shop, and I remember you saying, uh, it's weird.
13:39
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, but I kind of dig the heck out of it.
13:43
SPEAKER_00: I've been eyeballing this like collector's edition Blu-ray that uh A24 is selling.
13:49
SPEAKER_00: I haven't pulled the trigger on it yet, but I'm close.
13:52
SPEAKER_00: It's a cool movie, anyways.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: Unwittingly, without your prior knowledge, uh, you kind of stumbled on a bit of the uh origin story of this the Emerald Knight.
14:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh, is that right?
14:04
SPEAKER_02: We were going through it, and I was like, I mean, one of the big things I will definitely say, just from a branding standpoint, one of the most common things in cigars is I don't I remember I like that one cigar, I don't remember what it was, but it had a red band or it had a disc band.
14:17
SPEAKER_02: And so I was like, you know, we really haven't infused too much of just like a solid color into a lot of our exclusives.
14:24
SPEAKER_02: If we're gonna do a set of five, what easier way to do this set apart but then by colors?
14:28
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of other companies have done it that way.
14:31
SPEAKER_02: I was originally when I pitched this idea to Mallory because I was thinking about it for a while, I was like, So I'm thinking maybe like the first one we call it the green night, and she immediately said, like the movie, and I was like, Well, I guess so.
14:42
SPEAKER_02: She's like, People are gonna think that right away.
14:44
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, All right, so she came up with the concept of emerald instead of green.
14:48
SPEAKER_02: I dig it, yeah.
14:50
SPEAKER_02: Cool, cool, cool.
14:51
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so tonight we uh continue potentially in the last of our adventure movies because we have a special announcement at the end of the show.
14:59
SPEAKER_02: But uh, this was sort of my pick, but also another pick from Raider Dave.
15:03
SPEAKER_02: Not only did he send us bourbon, but a concept for our next show, and that is uh Robin Hood Men and Tights by Mel Brooks.
15:12
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
15:12
SPEAKER_02: This was the first time I've actually watched this movie.
15:15
SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
15:16
SPEAKER_00: I had seen it before, but it had been a while.
15:19
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I can't remember when I last saw it, but it was it more than a decade ago, possibly even two.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: I I don't quite recall.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
15:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean it's it's a Mel Brooks through and through experience.
15:32
SPEAKER_02: Came out in 1993, rated PG 13 with a runtime of our one hour and 44 minutes.
15:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh stars people like Carrie Elwite, uh Elwise, Elwise, Lwise, um, Richard Lewis, uh, Roger Reese, and Amy Yaspick.
15:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, which the only other movie I've seen her in was uh Dracula Dead and Loving It.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I don't I don't think I've seen that one.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
15:59
SPEAKER_00: We're talking about the woman who plays Marion.
16:01
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yeah.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: Uh I know her from The Mask, that Jim Carrey film.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, right, right, right, right.
16:08
SPEAKER_02: You're right now, yeah.
16:09
SPEAKER_02: Reminds me of that.
16:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh okay, so we got a few comments here.
16:14
SPEAKER_02: We will jump into that.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh, what is your initial uh thoughts?
16:17
SPEAKER_02: Revisiting Robin Hood Men and Tights.
16:20
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a Mel Brooks film, but right.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, I find uh that Mel Brooks is really hit or miss for me, and I'm not quite sure what the secret sauce is exactly.
16:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, maybe we can figure it out tonight.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, there are movies of his that I uh have a lot of affection for, like uh Spaceballs, um, movies that I saw more recently that I thought were really good, like Young Frankenstein.
16:46
SPEAKER_00: Um but uh like I said, I hadn't watched this in quite a while.
16:51
SPEAKER_00: I really just I was like, I don't even remember if I like this movie, much less you know, details of the plot or anything like that.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: And uh I in on the hit or miss scale, I think this one's a miss for me, and I that's probably gonna rustle some feathers.
17:06
SPEAKER_00: But um uh I I I found myself just not quite on the same wavelength as the jokes, and a lot of them came off as like kind of lame, like dad humor type stuff to me, rather than just slightly subversive send-ups of you know, all the uh the tropes and other stuff that Mel Grips Melbrooks likes to do.
17:30
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, it was weird.
17:32
SPEAKER_00: I I I didn't come away like this this was this is terrible or anything like that, but I would be lying if I said that I laughed out loud once last night while I watched it.
17:43
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we just got ourselves a show, okay.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: Uh, because I'm I'm in the exact same camp when it comes to hit or miss.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: Some I love, some I don't.
17:52
SPEAKER_02: This one definitely isn't the one that I enjoyed, um, in comparison to some of the other ones I've seen.
17:58
SPEAKER_02: So we've got a lot to talk about.
17:59
SPEAKER_02: Um, that's I see a lot of comments dropping here too.
18:02
SPEAKER_02: Jason's saying the Emerald Knight is great, smoked it last night, great smoke output, pretty hardy for me.
18:07
SPEAKER_02: Awesome.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: He also says it's one of my favorite movies to quote at home.
18:12
SPEAKER_02: I can see that.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: Raider Dave is saying, Don't forget the goat, Dave Chappelle, which, yes, I can't believe I've forgotten because he honestly is one of my favorite parts of this whole movie.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: That makes sense.
18:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, I uh would say I'm not the biggest uh Mel Brooks fan either.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: I think, and this probably is gonna sound lame to a lot of people, but Dracula Dead and Loving It is one of my more favorite ones.
18:35
SPEAKER_02: Um, I just I think that it's got really good humor, and I actually honestly think that the pacing on this um I really enjoyed too.
18:43
SPEAKER_02: Now part of it is wrapped up in the original Errol Flynn Robin Hood, and part of it is it's about time someone makes fun of the Kevin Costner Robin Hood.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
18:53
SPEAKER_02: So um overall, I I think the jokes actually worked, and there was at one point uh when they have like um I can't remember, I'm sure I can pull up his name.
19:03
SPEAKER_02: Uh Dom Deleuise, when he plays the Godfather, I was losing it.
19:08
SPEAKER_02: Really?
19:09
SPEAKER_02: I haven't done that on a movie in a very long time.
19:12
SPEAKER_02: So some of the jokes work for me.
19:14
SPEAKER_02: So I'm excited, interested to see as we jump into it.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I mean, since you just mentioned it, that uh Dom Delawise uh godfather scene, one of the things that I think didn't work about it for me is that it I this is gonna I I don't want to sound like I'm judging your sense of humor.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: But like all the the the majority of the jokes in that scene were just like obvious, like let's repeat lines of dialogue, like make it an offer he can't refuse from you know uh godfather.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: It's like there was nothing surprising or twisty or subversive about it.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: It was just like, hey, we're gonna do a godfather thing, and we're just literally gonna do the godfather thing.
20:06
SPEAKER_00: And I I it didn't make me laugh.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: Interesting that makes sense, yeah.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: Well, I've said this before.
20:13
SPEAKER_02: I I don't necessarily think I have the best sense of humor in terms of intelligent humor.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that I was raised watching the three stooges, Abbott and Costello, the Marx Brothers, and some of that a lot of it is wordplay, but there's a lot of slapstick that's infused in there, of course.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: And so a movie like this typically is gonna find its way into humor for me.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: I I think maybe it was because I didn't that the only thing I didn't see coming in that exchange was the fact that there was a godfather.
20:43
SPEAKER_02: Yes, a lot of it was um very obvious, but all of a sudden the the randomness of that type of like by the way, we're gonna have a uh a Jewish moy, we're gonna have the the uh godfather in there.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: I thought I was like, okay, well, once you release that like initial surprise, I think then you can kind of build on that humor, and it actually worked for me.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: Uh, there is one joke in that scene that I did like, which is um when he reveals that he's just been to the dentist and he has to pull the cotton balls out of his cheeks, because that's part of the legend of Brando's performance in The Godfather, is that he did that to you know change the appearance of his face.
21:21
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, all right, you know, that's a little inside knowledge joke.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I can get on board with that.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
21:27
SPEAKER_02: Now, out of it, I know you said you didn't laugh out loud, but and this is also a question for the audience watching who did you find at least more on the edge of the funniest character in this movie because you have a pretty big cast.
21:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know what?
21:44
SPEAKER_00: Maybe maybe this passes judgment on my sense of humor.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
21:47
SPEAKER_00: I I kind of liked Blinken.
21:50
unknown: Okay.
21:51
SPEAKER_00: I think it was just that guy's very straightforward, committed, dim-witted performance.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that sold a lot of his stuff for.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Me.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, like on balance across all the characters in the whole movie, me Blinken might be my favorite, which sounds so weird to say.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: No, no, I mean I can see it definitely more physical humor, but in the term of physical humor, like you're right, his he's very like kind of straight pan, dead pan in his execution.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and they just do you know fun, goofy side bits with him, like uh the there's that kind of climactic fight where he gets into a uh a sword fight with a wooden post, and you just cut him, you know, every 20 seconds in the fight, as he's like just like maniacally, you know.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: So stuff like that kind of works for me because it's so it's so silly throwaway, and it doesn't rely on like you know, is the quality of this dialogue good?
22:51
SPEAKER_00: It's just you know, so and I don't know, maybe there's something that's I find innately humorous about obliviousness, which you know that character kind of has too.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, anyway, okay.
23:04
SPEAKER_02: I would definitely say for me it's probably Dave Chappelle.
23:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, I get it too, like, there is definitely some Venn diagram crossover from like Blazing Saddles and having that kind of character there.
23:15
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I just I feel like Dave Chappelle, I wouldn't say he's up for an Oscar for his performance, but I would say like there's this this side of it where you kind of think I got the feeling that I'm like Dave Chappelle is just kind of over some of this, like he's kind of above what's going on, he's kind of playing along in some ways, but I think he does a really good job.
23:36
SPEAKER_00: Um what one of my favorite jokes in the movie um is with him is uh when you first are introduced to his character and he's being uh roughed up by all of the uh sheriff's men, and uh I think he says something like, I uh man, I wish somebody was video recording this or whatever, you know, the little yeah, Rodney King throwaway, like you know, stuff like that works for me.
24:00
SPEAKER_02: Well, and it's funny too, because a lot of his jokes, or even a lot of the just the word jokes, some of them are pretty uh dated for its prop culture.
24:09
SPEAKER_02: Do you feel like any of that played a role in like being removed from the sense of humor?
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't think so.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, um, I I can't think of a particular instance of where, like, oh, I didn't like this because it doesn't feel you know fresh or relevant or anything like that.
24:28
SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't think that's what any of my issue was.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: Okay, okay.
24:32
SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean there is uh some stuff that's amusingly dated, and I say amusingly because I this is not a knock against the movie, but you know, there's that um uh we have those uh bookends with the um you know a group of merry men that are all black and they do a hip-hop thing, right?
24:52
SPEAKER_00: To you know introduce the story, and it's just that like it's that so stereotypical like dad rap cadence that you know for a brief period of time in hip-hop was like what it sounded like in the late 80s, you know, yeah, evolved out of that.
25:09
SPEAKER_00: But like I love that anytime that you do a rap parody in anything, it's that exact cadence, yes.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that was type of like don't do drugs, it's not cool, kids.
25:22
SPEAKER_02: Like type of cadence, yeah, 100%.
25:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh Jason's saying the sheriff of Rottingham is pretty good.
25:28
SPEAKER_02: I thought he did pretty good too.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: I think that Mel Brooks, uh I usually appreciate the villains that he has uh in the movie, but uh and I would say he did a good job, but I also think Prince John is was also pretty funny.
25:42
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, Richard Lewis.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh were you familiar with him as a stand-up comedian?
25:46
SPEAKER_02: Like, do you do you watch much of his like I recognized him enough, but in terms of like watching his uh material, no, I haven't seen it.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: Okay, he he was kind of like, I mean, and you see this in his character of uh um the the prince in uh this movie, but he was kind of like a uh a proto uh Seinfeld, I guess, you know, that he was all about you know his sort of like neurotic self-awareness.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
26:12
SPEAKER_00: Um, so they just kind of transplanted that into this character, which for um for that character is a good um uh uh tone, I think, because you know, he's always been kind of like on the spectrum of villains, you know, you have ones that are really imposing and terrible, ones that are physical threats, ones that are masterminds of one kind or another, and then you have ones like this that are just kind of like snivelling cowards who happen to have power, right?
26:40
SPEAKER_00: Um and uh yeah, I think he works in this, you know, for the most part, like I said, you know, overall, like the tone of the comedy.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: I kind of not in love with it in this movie, but um uh I I do think he works, but maybe one of my favorite jokes in the whole movie is the I have a mole because they keep moving the mole on his head.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: That's pretty fun.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: It's kind of there's a lot of callbacks to other Mel Brooks movies in this, and it's like the mole, just like you have a hump.
27:04
SPEAKER_02: What hump in uh young Frankenstein, or I mean, even Dave Chappelle says it works out in Blazing Shadows, like there's definitely like a self-awareness.
27:13
SPEAKER_02: Um but I will say it's funny how you're like, I didn't really laugh out loud.
27:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, a lot of the comedies that we've talked about in the past, aside from Ferris Bueller, of course, yeah.
27:26
SPEAKER_02: Um, I have struggled a lot with actually laughing out loud.
27:29
SPEAKER_02: This is the first one that really consistently had it going for me.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: Um very quickly, let's take a brief pause.
27:38
SPEAKER_02: Uh, we're kind of getting into the second third of this cigar.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, what are your what are your thoughts so far?
27:42
SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm finding it a hint more sweet, um, but I don't know.
27:46
SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
27:48
SPEAKER_00: Uh I think that's I'm you know, a little bit of the intensity is uh died down, but uh I feel like what's been added to the palette now is a sort of grassiness or a vegetable, yeah.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I totally see that.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh, which is uh for me at least a nice complement to the other stuff that's going on in there, and uh the uh overall intensity of the flavor still is a good match against this very punchy whiskey that we're drinking tonight.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: Yes, 100%.
28:22
SPEAKER_02: I really enjoy the retro on this too, because over you get the initial hump of that like spicy pepperiness.
28:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's really got this like rich silky rest retro to it that um kind of adds an added layer that you're not necessarily getting on the palate because it's like you expect it to be more aggressive through the retro, it's full, but it's not at all abrasive in any way, right?
28:45
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah.
28:46
SPEAKER_02: So I think it just it adds a lot through that retro hill.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that uh through the retro, even I even get an additional is it almost am I am I detecting breadiness like a wheat bread, maybe?
28:58
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: Well, and yeah, I can see that.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
29:08
SPEAKER_02: I also think when you take a sip of the the whiskey in pairing with this, it and then you try the cigar, it definitely brings more sweetness out of the cigar because I think it's it's working in conjunction.
29:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a nice pairing.
29:23
SPEAKER_02: It is a nice pairing.
29:24
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Dave.
29:25
SPEAKER_02: This is quite a quite an experience.
29:29
SPEAKER_02: So um okay, from the the tone that is set in this movie, I feel like anyone who's watching a Mel Brooks movie knows that they're in for a Mel Brooks movie, and a lot of that is dad jokes, fart jokes, crude humor.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: Um I will say that this movie moves, I think, at a faster pace.
29:48
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes with with Mel Brooks movies, like it'll be funny in the beginning, and then there's like this schlag for me for the next 45 minutes, and I'm like, okay, it's just nothing's really happening.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: The it had enough humor that had me going to where it moved it at a really good pacing.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I would agree with that.
30:04
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, even though I wasn't in love with it, that there wasn't any point where I felt like the movie was dragging or taking too long to do what it was doing, you know, like maybe one of those musical sequences that kind of happens midway-ish through the film, like you know, I could have done without, but um, they're so short, like it kind of doesn't matter that much.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: Sure, sure, sure.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: I just feel like too.
30:29
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we've we've kind of talked about um this in the past, but like there's certain movies that just can't really be made anymore, and I'm not even saying because of subject matter, but like this type of sense of humor, I feel like is somewhat gone by the wayside.
30:44
SPEAKER_02: What are your thoughts?
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's it's difficult to do, you know, and even uh the um you know, people like Brooks who have made a career out of doing it, you know, the quality varies a lot, at least subjectively.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: Um but um I think one of the things that is uh Mel Brooks's strong suit is that even though uh a lot of the humor in this movie and his others involves uh poking fun at stereotypes, is that he spreads the love evenly.
31:18
SPEAKER_00: Like you don't get the sense that he's being mean spirited and picking on a particular demographic or social group or anything, it's just like human beings are ridiculous, we're all ridiculous in different ways.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: Uh and you know, let's let's just roast everybody at the same time.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah, you know, you've uh you know, we're poking fun at uh uh you know, not only the movies that are are being parodied here, but like, you know, uh Mel Brooks is probably happier than anybody to poke fun at Jews, right?
31:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, yeah.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: So I think that's uh a thing that you know, as a base level in this movie and his others that kind of makes the Mel Brooks thing work, is that um uh yeah, like I said, he spreads the love as far as like you know who we're poking fun at.
32:11
SPEAKER_02: No, for sure.
32:12
SPEAKER_02: And I think he handles even what would be considered very controversial subjects, handles it pretty well in terms of like having spreading that out.
32:20
SPEAKER_02: Uh, Jason is saying, great scene is when a chew and little john fight over a little stream of water.
32:25
SPEAKER_02: This is what I find really interesting, and that was a really funny scene when like Robin Hood also like he fights a little John and such like that.
32:32
SPEAKER_02: So crazy enough on Friday, as like a family movie night thing that we watched the 1939 Errol Flynn Robin Hood, and then we watched this.
32:43
SPEAKER_02: Now, also, if you watch the Kevin Costner Robin Hood up from early 30s to early 90s, um the mythos and like the concept of storytelling with Robin Hood was so immersed and based on this Errol Flynn movie.
33:01
SPEAKER_02: It is, yeah, and what's crazy is I don't know if people really like fully realize like how much that influence.
33:06
SPEAKER_02: I the closest thing I can think of that is similar to this is like the universal monster movies, Dracula, Frankenstein.
33:14
SPEAKER_02: Like those, even though they're so unlike the book, they kind of shaped in cinema for the longest time.
33:19
SPEAKER_02: This is what Dracula is.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so scenes like that where they're fighting on the bridge, like that is originally poking fun at this scene in 1939, which is kind of comical in its own way, because hence, I mean, the men in tights, I mean, Errol Flynn, Will Scarlet, there's these guys they're supposed to be like bandits hiding out in like guerrilla warfare in the woods, and Robin Hood's wearing this like neon green tight suit, and Will Scarlet is legitimately doing the same thing, but all in red scarlet.
33:49
SPEAKER_02: You're just like, Of course, what's going on here?
33:50
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, things like the fight at the bridge, um, things like even there's there's a scene at the end when they're fighting, uh sword fighting, and then they show the shadows against the wall and they do the shadow puppets and stuff like that, completely taken from the Robin Hood.
34:04
SPEAKER_02: Now, I get it that this is also a parody, but even the Kevin Costner Robin Hood takes these scenes and uses them in the movie.
34:11
SPEAKER_02: It's true, yeah.
34:12
SPEAKER_02: So I find it just really interesting how like pop culture from 60 years before was like, Oh, well, this is Robin Hood, so this is the way the narrative goes.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, and I I'm willing to bet that Mel Brooks uh also is just a movie nerd, so he wants to yes, you know, if he's gonna do a Robin Hood parody, yeah, uh parody.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: Of course, the Costner movie came out just a couple years before this, and that's the main driver.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he finds other stuff to pull from to to include in these, so that it's not just a one note, we're poking fun at just this one movie, you know.
34:46
SPEAKER_00: He right takes other stuff and blends it in there.
34:49
SPEAKER_02: So 100%.
34:51
SPEAKER_02: Now, the lead role Carrie Elwise, uh, Elwise Elwiz, I've always understood to be Elwis.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: Elwis.
34:57
SPEAKER_02: Okay, Carrie Elwis.
34:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, his career is interesting.
35:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean, from from this and uh and uh Princess Bride to even things in like recent like Stranger Things, like he's shown up in some random movies.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: What did you think about his performance?
35:14
SPEAKER_00: I I like him in this.
35:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh, I think he's maybe the exact right person to to play this part.
35:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, for one, he's got a great look.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: Like, if they wanted to do you know, in the early 90s, a earnest, you know, retelling, redo, whatever of the 1938 film, Cast Karay Elvis, he looks great as Robin Hood.
35:35
SPEAKER_00: He does.
35:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh I I think that uh he definitely knows the assignment and you know is delivering the right amount of you know winking to the camera type uh uh energy.
35:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, so you know, like I said, even though I don't love the comedy in this, I think that he is pretty much perfect as this movie's version of Robin Hood.
36:01
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I I really appreciate he does a good job at doing the lackadaisical, kind of like nonchalant type of like everything's positive, and we just tally tally forward, even in the midst of like bizarre things.
36:13
SPEAKER_02: Like when something strikes him as weird, it's not so disorienting, it's just it's that like common like smirk to himself, like that's weird, and then moving on.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: Like, I think he does a really good, almost like whimsical aspect of it.
36:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: I I think that a movie like this has a tendency to kind of get lost, maybe when you go too on the nose, in terms of like Robin Hood, and maybe that's why it worked for me, is because, like you said, he spreads the love out.
36:43
SPEAKER_02: Um and I think it just keeps the action moving in terms of how he wanted to go around like making that.
36:50
SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, another thing that I I noticed about it while watching it last night that's um uh I think Bear's mentioning is that um, you know, I I don't know exactly what the the budgets are for these movies.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: I know that they're not super cheap, but it's certainly not gonna be, you know, on the level of what they spent on the Kevin Costner Robin Hood, right?
37:13
SPEAKER_00: Right.
37:13
SPEAKER_00: Um uh but I I think that it you can really see all the money that they spent on screen.
37:21
SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, there's some pretty effective uh um set pieces and stuff like that, just in terms of what they were able to pull in for uh production value.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: For example, uh when there's that fight where all the guys in the plate armor come in to try and capture Robin and the men, and you know, he does the dominoes thing with them.
37:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like that's a lot of stuff to put on screen, plus you know, the set design in that sequence and whatnot.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: Like I was like, you know, they they they really seem to use every dollar making this.
37:56
SPEAKER_02: Well, and I think the most noticeable moments when you can tell, like, okay, there's a there's a ceiling to this budget is like the archery tournament where this massive crowd is basically just one set of bleachers.
38:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
38:08
SPEAKER_02: It kind of kind of shows.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: Uh, but uh interesting enough, Jason's saying the budget was 20 million dollars.
38:15
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so that's sizable.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: For 1990, what did we say?
38:20
SPEAKER_00: Three ninety-three.
38:22
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was that's not nothing.
38:24
SPEAKER_02: I was three years old.
38:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh uh Chris Cossman is saying, looking forward to the way more serious Death of Robin Hood movie with Hugh Jackman.
38:35
SPEAKER_02: Did you see the trailer for that?
38:36
SPEAKER_00: I have seen the trailer for it.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: What are your thoughts?
38:39
SPEAKER_00: Um, I am I'm not certain.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: Um because uh I think you you can tell me if you have the same take on this as I do, but um, you know, for me, Robin Hood, uh it's it's its best versions, or at least the ones that I like the most, are like the Errol Flynn film from 1938, the Disney animated one from the 70s.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
39:09
SPEAKER_00: You know, they uh are kind of necessarily uh light and effervescent and a little bit romantic, and you know, the uh I I don't know if I'm prepared for a like really dark post postmodern, gritty like there is that that god-awful uh Ridley Scott one with Russell Crowe.
39:30
SPEAKER_02: I knew you were gonna say, yeah.
39:31
SPEAKER_02: That was that one.
39:33
SPEAKER_02: I would say I'm gonna go on record.
39:35
SPEAKER_02: I will say I think the Kevin Costner one is better than that movie.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, it is.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Unquestionable, at least for me.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Um that suffers from well, here I have a rant to go on with that, so continue, and then yeah, well, I was gonna say it all depends on you know how they execute the tone.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I mean, I I I I like Hugh Jackman, and you know, um, I've definitely been um wary of uh movies in the past that won me over when I actually saw them.
40:01
SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm hoping that will be the case with this one.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh I just don't know, like at face value, if this is what I want in a Robin Hood.
40:09
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
40:10
SPEAKER_00: That's it.
40:10
SPEAKER_02: No, I could see a lot of reservations.
40:13
SPEAKER_02: I ever since I was super young, like I always loved the concepts of Robin Hood and and Zorro, because Zorro is just basically set in the desert in California while while Robin Hood's set in England.
40:24
SPEAKER_02: But I've always loved that concept of like, yeah, robbing the rich to feed the poor, that sort of thing, and the story and the mythos that is Robin Hood.
40:30
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of it does have to be taken with a grain of salt because it is from what I understand, he was a real person, but it's so blown out of proportion of what it actually was.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:40
SPEAKER_02: The the Russell Crowe movie suffers from the same exact problem, I feel like that we saw in Bram Stoker's Dracula that we saw in even to a small extent of Phantom Menace, in terms of you have this stellar cast.
40:56
SPEAKER_02: What are you doing?
40:58
SPEAKER_02: Like, I was so excited to see that movie.
41:00
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Russell Crowe, Kate Blanchett, Oscar Isaac, Mark Strong, like so many awesome actors, and to have it fall apart so poorly.
41:08
SPEAKER_02: And I think I remember I gave up when I was like, so Robin Hood's dad invented the Magna Carta.
41:14
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, that was something.
41:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh man, that was insane.
41:17
SPEAKER_02: So, yes, I had the same reservations.
41:20
SPEAKER_02: I would I want to, but I don't think there is there are few movies where I guess stories that have historically had such horrible consecutive representations of a story when attempting to make it serious.
41:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, there's some that I just flat out like I'm just like, yeah, I'm not gonna watch.
41:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh, there was one I think uh that Karen Knightley was in, which was like her is Robin Hood's niece or something, like just rando stuff.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I know that one.
41:46
SPEAKER_00: I know she was in that King Arthur movie.
41:48
SPEAKER_02: She okay, sure.
41:50
SPEAKER_02: This is like pre Pirates of the Caribbean.
41:53
SPEAKER_02: She's young, really, super young, and it's like Princess of Thieves or something crazy.
41:57
SPEAKER_02: Okay, came out.
41:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: And they didn't they did another one a few years ago with uh that kid from the um Kingsman movies, uh Taryn Edgerton, I think is his name.
42:08
SPEAKER_00: There was a Robin Hood movie with him, but it's oh yeah.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: I I never saw it, so me neither.
42:15
SPEAKER_02: I saw the trailer and that was enough.
42:16
SPEAKER_02: It was like The Matrix and the Avengers meets I maybe it was crazy.
42:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, Chris is wondering what about the Sean Connery version, which I have not seen.
42:30
SPEAKER_00: We're talking about Robin and Marion, I think is the name of that movie.
42:34
SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen I haven't seen that either.
42:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: Uh Jason's saying, Did you hear that they're making a Django and Zorro movie?
42:43
SPEAKER_02: I did not hear this either.
42:45
SPEAKER_02: No, no, and that's the thing, too, is I will say, in terms of like a at least modern take a little bit more serious, I think Mask of Zoro is a great movie.
42:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is super fun.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: Martin Martin Campbell made that.
42:58
SPEAKER_00: He's the guy that directed uh um uh casino royale.
43:03
SPEAKER_00: He's he's pretty solid, he is solid, definitely.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I'm I if someone were to be like okay, top top movies in this like kind of Robin Hood mythos, definitely Errol Flynn, and definitely Disney did it right in terms of their cartoon.
43:18
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I think you're right, it needs a a a solid sense of like lightheartedness, along with some serious themes.
43:27
SPEAKER_00: Um there's there's this uh problem that happens sometimes, and it's uh it's on a cycle, you know.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: We'll get into modes where we're in it, and then we'll get into modes where we're out of it.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: But um, you know, one of the things that um I think maybe too often gets looked down upon is earnest sincerity.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: And uh you know, I I I I feel like the older I get, the more I appreciate that and the more that I want it.
43:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh okay.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: You know, not that it needs to it's that it's the right flavor for everything, but Um you know when you you know take a uh kind of large romantic heroic tale like this one and kind of sap the energy out of it because you want it to feel realistic or gritty or whatever.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: I'm just like I where's the I don't know it it's anything it's not that everything has to be fun, but like I don't know.
44:30
SPEAKER_00: I at some point the kind of navel gazing darkness starts to feel like it's uh just this sort of self-serving thing, or that you don't want to to to let earnestness and sincerity be a thing because that feels vulnerable or can like quickly veer off into you know silliness.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: But um for me, when that tone is captured and it's done right, I love that.
44:58
SPEAKER_02: No, I think so too.
45:00
SPEAKER_02: And I think a lot has to do with the integrity of the movie and that it knows what it wants to be.
45:04
SPEAKER_02: And we've talked about that before of like, um, I'm sorry, you're gonna have to help me out because I'm blanking out.
45:10
SPEAKER_02: But you recommended a movie we analyzed on this show.
45:13
SPEAKER_02: Uh Jennifer Lopez, George Clooney.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: Oh, out of sight, out of sight.
45:17
SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's got some grit to it, but it's also kind of in that realm of what you're talking about.
45:22
SPEAKER_02: It knows what it wants to be, it doesn't take itself too dark or too serious, but it's just a really charming movie, yeah.
45:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, and you're right.
45:29
SPEAKER_02: I I think it's also it's hard to um nail down, like it's hard for people to intentionally nail that down.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: I don't think it's as easy, yeah.
45:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I mean, to relate to another Carrie Elvis movie, uh can you imagine a movie like Princess Bride working if there was an ounce of cynicism thrown in there?
45:51
SPEAKER_00: Like you can't do that.
45:53
SPEAKER_02: It makes yes, it makes it the tone completely different.
45:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it separates, and I mean, honestly, there's a lot of satire, there's a lot of parody in this movie, and a lot of adult humor.
46:04
SPEAKER_02: Um, but the tone of this movie definitely separates it from a kind of like wider audience versus Princess Bride, kind of like all ages type of audience.
46:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
46:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, and on that note, I have my theory about Princess Bride is that it is a classic, and I do enjoy that movie.
46:20
SPEAKER_02: I feel like the older the audience gets in terms of like what whatever age you're exposed to at uh Princess Bride, and the older you get, the more enjoyment and the uh the more love for that movie happens, the older that you get.
46:35
SPEAKER_00: I think that's probably true.
46:37
SPEAKER_02: Because I I remember like as a kid watching it, I'm like, there are some moments that disturb me when I was like six, maybe six years old, seven years old, like the the rodents of unusual size.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, oh, that's that's weird.
46:48
SPEAKER_02: The swamp, the the pit of despair, those types of things.
46:51
SPEAKER_02: It's it's like, oh, that's a little bit dark, but the older you get, I have met more people in my adult life who love that movie than kids when I was younger.
47:00
SPEAKER_00: I think that kind of makes sense, actually.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's interesting, it's like this cult classic like rite of passage that you have to watch through comedy fantasy movies.
47:07
SPEAKER_02: I also think that uh hands down, sword play is so much better in Princess Bride than Robin Hood Men and Tights.
47:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I don't think that you know getting like really good sword fight choreography was like a priority for them in this.
47:25
SPEAKER_02: I only bring it up because of the podcast theme of of adventure and sword play and all that stuff, of course.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:30
SPEAKER_02: And you you definitely have physical humor, like the gymnastic stunts, I'm only left-handed, such like that.
47:36
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's definitely like ridiculous humor.
47:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I think they just played out.
47:41
SPEAKER_02: If anything, Robinhood Men and Tites' weakest moment for me is from the moment the archery tournament is over.
47:49
SPEAKER_02: Then it kind of like uh the pacing on here.
47:51
SPEAKER_02: I wonder if it's like the editing, the way it's cut, the maybe the dead silences, they don't hit as much, I guess, to then the rest of the movie.
47:58
SPEAKER_02: That makes sense.
48:00
SPEAKER_02: What would you what would you say is one of the biggest surprises of men and tights for you?
48:04
SPEAKER_02: Surprises, if anything, like did anything like, oh, I didn't see that coming.
48:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh there's one very specific joke that caught me off guard that um, I don't know, maybe is among my favorite in the movie, and it's uh when um the uh Robin Hood and the Merry Men are trying to train the villagers to join the fight.
48:30
SPEAKER_00: And Will Scarlet has just done a little like performative demonstration thing, and he returns to the group, and uh Robin Hood gives him a little treat, like a dog that just you know did it.
48:41
SPEAKER_00: He's like, you know, good like good boy, you know, just and they they just throw it away, you know, those it's not emphasized, they don't do a close-up or anything, it's just here's your treat for doing what I asked you to do.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, that's pretty good.
48:52
SPEAKER_02: The biggest thing that caught me off guard was uh Patrick Stewart.
48:56
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, I did not see that coming.
48:59
SPEAKER_02: And I do appreciate when you have like accomplished Shakespearean actors in movies like this.
49:03
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, all right, you you gotta feel you have the feeling like no pun intended, you wanted to let his hair down after a while and just do like a random throwaway part.
49:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, in fact, there's a little bit of uh lore, I guess, related to that in my my my family, my my my peer group from I lived in Illinois, um, which was uh one of my older brother's friends went to see this in the theater and you know knew that that moment was coming where King Richard was gonna arrive as the wedding was happening, just like it does in the uh Kevin Costner film.
49:36
SPEAKER_00: And he wanted it to be Sean Connery, so he's he said it like he was like saying to himself, Sean Connery, Sean Connery, Sean Connery, ooh, Patrick Stewart.
49:46
unknown: There you go.
49:47
SPEAKER_02: That's great.
49:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh let's see here.
49:51
SPEAKER_02: Chris Costman's saying, uh, there has to be humor to it.
49:54
SPEAKER_02: For example, why guardian Guardians of the Galaxy is so good, doesn't take itself so seriously.
49:59
SPEAKER_00: I I I I do like the um the sense of humor in Guardians, and James Gunn is another one of those uh directors right now who you know, whether or not you completely like the tone of his comedy and stuff like that, he's mostly embracing sincerity.
50:14
SPEAKER_00: Like it's there in Superman, it's there in uh the his Guardians movies.
50:19
SPEAKER_00: Like um I I I think that's a a plus in the plus column for me with James Gunn.
50:26
SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay.
50:27
SPEAKER_02: Uh Jason's saying a lot of Brooks movies wouldn't survive in today's audience, sad to say.
50:32
SPEAKER_02: I think that's true, but I can also say, like, there's a whole another side you could be like, well, it's because of uh current times and culture and such like that.
50:43
SPEAKER_02: I think that just in storytelling in in general evolves in movies, it evolves.
50:48
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
50:49
SPEAKER_02: There are a lot of movies in the way they're executed that would not survive now.
50:54
SPEAKER_02: Good example of that, the Errol Flynn Robin Hood movie.
50:57
SPEAKER_02: The way that movie is paced and how it's executed, a lot of audience now would be like, This movie sucks.
51:02
SPEAKER_02: And I think to have an appreciation for movies like that, or even Mel Brooks movies, on one, you either had to have like a sense of nostalgia wrapped up into it, or two, there's got to be a level of appreciation for film in general to be like, I I see what is he's doing here, and I can appreciate it for that.
51:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, because most movies like before 1950 wouldn't survive in today's audience, right?
51:28
SPEAKER_00: So, um one thing, you know, kind of on a related note, uh, one thing that I do like about Mel Brooks's comedies, uh, and you can see this in stuff like Young Frankenstein too, is that he knows that human beings are, you know, messy emotional little creatures, and one of those things that necessarily comes along with that is horniness.
51:51
SPEAKER_00: And it would be very easy in a movie like this to have, you know, I mean, they even set it up in the plot that you know, this is the key that gives you access to the greatest treasure in the land, and it's uh Marion's chastity belt, and you know, that could come off as like really kind of you know overly creepy, I think.
52:11
SPEAKER_00: But what I think makes it work is in the script and then the actress's performance is that she wants it too.
52:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I would I would I was thinking the exact same thing, yeah.
52:23
SPEAKER_02: No, a hundred percent.
52:24
SPEAKER_02: But after all, it is an everlast, so um, okay.
52:29
SPEAKER_02: So we're kind of coming down to the end here.
52:31
SPEAKER_02: Uh, any closing thoughts?
52:32
SPEAKER_02: Anything that we didn't remark upon with this movie?
52:36
SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know.
52:39
SPEAKER_00: I think I I think we we mostly covered the bases.
52:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to think if there's any like characters that we haven't talked about enough.
52:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh I I like the guy that they cast as uh little John.
52:54
SPEAKER_00: Um you know, I I think he's got a a a good look, and um, you know, some of some of the bits with him are fun, but um yeah, I don't know.
53:04
SPEAKER_00: I I don't know if I have a whole lot else to say.
53:06
SPEAKER_00: Like I said, I don't think this movie's terrible.
53:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I I wasn't miserable watching it last night.
53:11
SPEAKER_00: I was just like, you know, the nothing for the most part in this is like really hitting my funny bone, but that's just such a subjective thing.
53:19
SPEAKER_02: Then the question I would have then is out of all the films that Mel Brooks has directed specifically, uh, what would you say is like at the top of the list for you?
53:27
SPEAKER_02: Same question to the audience, drop it in the comments.
53:30
SPEAKER_00: Right, and I certainly haven't seen them all.
53:32
SPEAKER_00: There's still ones that I had, like a history of the world part one, for example.
53:35
SPEAKER_00: I I've I've got a Mel Brooks collection DVD set sitting out there in the living room, still haven't watched that one yet.
53:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean uh my my personal favorite, maybe largely for nostalgia reasons, is Spaceballs.
53:50
SPEAKER_02: Okay, okay, which I need to revisit.
53:53
SPEAKER_02: I really don't remember that much.
53:55
SPEAKER_02: So that's okay, and now that there's a new sequel coming out to it.
53:59
SPEAKER_02: So there you go.
54:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh Chris Cossman is saying, uh, still Menonites does not come close to Mel Brooks' earlier films, it's entertaining, but Blazing Saddles, young Frankenstein producers are laugh out loud all the time.
54:12
SPEAKER_02: Great comedy films, solid.
54:14
SPEAKER_02: Um, for him it's young Frankenstein.
54:17
SPEAKER_02: Uh Spaceballs is awesome, says Jason.
54:19
SPEAKER_02: I would say probably young Frankenstein because it's so classic.
54:25
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
54:26
SPEAKER_02: But and again, this is not gonna win any audience points, but I think Dracula Dead and Loving It is still hilarious, but I think that has more to do with because I just love the story of Dracula and so many different versions of the films that I thought it was pretty funny.
54:39
SPEAKER_00: So uh that one I think is also in my DVD set that I haven't watched yet.
54:44
SPEAKER_02: You have to give it a while.
54:45
SPEAKER_02: I mean, after Men and Tights, I don't know if you're gonna love it, but uh I do think it's funny, and I do think uh I I I yeah, I think it's got well.
54:55
SPEAKER_00: I I I do like Leslie Nielsen a lot.
54:57
SPEAKER_02: I guess he's he's good in stuff like this.
54:59
SPEAKER_02: He goes, it goes a long way.
55:00
SPEAKER_00: I'll watch it eventually.
55:01
SPEAKER_02: There you go.
55:02
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so uh closing remarks on the mystery cigar.
55:06
SPEAKER_02: Um, what are your thoughts on the San Andreas construction on point?
55:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh smoking like a champ.
55:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, but what do you think in terms of flavor?
55:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, I still really like this.
55:18
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that I've uh sensed much change since we last checked in.
55:23
SPEAKER_00: Um it just uh remains to be nicely complex, pretty punchy, um and and good.
55:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:34
SPEAKER_02: No, I I like the sense of sweetness, hint hint of bitterness to it.
55:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm still getting a little bit of mineral uh flavor to it as well.
55:42
SPEAKER_02: But um that yeah, that like vegetal component, um overall, just there's a lot going on in the cigar.
55:47
SPEAKER_02: It's not just a oh, I'm getting these three notes, and there you go.
55:50
SPEAKER_02: I agree.
55:51
SPEAKER_02: Really, really impressive.
55:53
SPEAKER_02: So, okay, uh, let's go ahead and write down a rating for the cigar scale from one to ten.
56:03
SPEAKER_02: This one I think is gonna be interesting.
56:07
SPEAKER_02: I feel conflicted.
56:08
SPEAKER_00: Where do I put this?
56:12
SPEAKER_00: All right.
56:14
SPEAKER_02: I was gonna go with one rating, but overall I went with something else and added.
56:19
SPEAKER_00: Look at that.
56:19
SPEAKER_00: What the heck, dude?
56:20
SPEAKER_00: Whoa, okay.
56:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay, maybe 7.5, but when I really see that's where I was thinking too.
56:27
SPEAKER_00: What the heck?
56:29
SPEAKER_02: Well, we I really analyze a cigar like this.
56:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this cigar is not your average San Andreas, it's almost mature in a way that I would say, like smoking it blind.
56:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this is tastes to me what you find in higher dollar cigars, yeah.
56:43
SPEAKER_02: In terms of like, it's not just that like peppery chocolate bomb, like it's it's got so much going on with it.
56:49
SPEAKER_02: That's so interesting.
56:51
SPEAKER_00: That was yeah, I that was basically my calculus too.
56:54
SPEAKER_00: I was like 7.5.
56:55
SPEAKER_00: No, this this is this is the complexity of this is pushing it up, yes.
57:00
SPEAKER_02: 100%.
57:01
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, eight out of ten, not bad.
57:03
SPEAKER_02: All right, uh, men and tights.
57:06
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna write this down.
57:10
SPEAKER_02: This is pretty pretty easy for me.
57:16
SPEAKER_02: We're pretty close.
57:16
SPEAKER_02: Six and a half.
57:18
SPEAKER_02: Okay, now I will say seven towards like, okay, is this a movie I want to watch all the time?
57:22
SPEAKER_02: No, but in terms of my sense of humor, it's definitely more towards that needle for Mel Brooks movies.
57:31
SPEAKER_02: I get that.
57:33
SPEAKER_02: And 6.5, that's not bad.
57:35
SPEAKER_00: That's not no, like I said, you know, there's there's nothing about this where I was like, oh god, this is awful, or they're completely missing the mark.
57:40
SPEAKER_00: It was just like, you know, everything rose to the level of you know, a mild, you know, internal chuckle, right?
57:51
SPEAKER_00: You know, and like okay, not much else, you know, there's a couple exceptions, but like for the most part, it just it didn't didn't bowl me over, but I didn't I didn't hate watching it.
58:01
SPEAKER_02: What I would love one day, whenever we hang out in person again, one day we'll each have to pick a movie, one that's classically like hilarious to the other person and sit down and watch it at the same time and see each other's reactions.
58:16
SPEAKER_00: That'd be that would be something what you're what you're explaining.
58:19
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, that's so many movies like that we'll watch together, and I'll be like, I I smirked once, right?
58:26
SPEAKER_02: So I don't know, but I think this is where you're gonna get annoyed at me if you if you watch last week's episode, now it dawns that I enjoyed this movie a lot more than Rob Roy.
58:35
SPEAKER_00: So how dare you?
58:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh Jason's rating says uh eight out of ten for men and tights, Chris says six out of ten for him.
58:47
SPEAKER_01: Right.
58:48
SPEAKER_02: So we uh actually I'm gonna give the floor to to uh Curtis because we originally had a plan to do a few more, but he brought up a really good point before the show started.
58:56
SPEAKER_02: And so we're gonna pivot this next month.
58:58
SPEAKER_02: I think Jason's gonna be very happy, but uh, we're starting a new series.
59:02
SPEAKER_02: What is the new series?
59:03
SPEAKER_00: Well, uh it it struck me that uh next week's show is gonna be on May the 5th, or in the circle of Star Wars nerdum, it's known as Revenge of the Fifth because May the 4th is the day just ahead.
59:17
SPEAKER_00: We've got a new Star Wars movie coming out at the end of May.
59:22
SPEAKER_00: Let's do some Star Wars movies.
59:24
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
59:24
SPEAKER_02: Now I was all in because I'm a huge Star Wars fan.
59:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, except for I know at the end of this, there is a high chance I have to go see this Star Wars movie that I do not want to watch.
59:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm very, very skeptical about this one myself.
59:40
SPEAKER_00: So we'll we'll see how that goes.
59:42
SPEAKER_00: But you know, we gotta we're we're Star Wars nerds, we gotta find out.
59:44
SPEAKER_00: I gotta know.
59:45
SPEAKER_02: Yes, that is Jason's saying, yes, Curtis, my man.
59:49
SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's actually pretty fortuitous because uh my youngest uh Clark, he will get on like obsessive like like pads, and he'll be like, for like so last summer was everything Lord of the Rings.
1:00:04
SPEAKER_02: He wanted to for his birthday, we're gonna do Lord of the Rings movie night, and then he's like, I've never seen the Hobbit.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Well, they suck, but I'll watch it.
1:00:12
SPEAKER_02: We had to watch all the Hobbit movies.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_02: So, as of like two weeks ago, three weeks ago, he got obsessed with the concept of Darth Maul because of this new Darth Maul cartoon.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: So I was like, All right, so we just saw Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones and that one.
1:00:26
SPEAKER_02: So we're kind of in a Star Wars mode right now.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_02: Um so it'll be exciting.
1:00:30
SPEAKER_02: We'll be posting about exactly what the particular Star Wars topic we're gonna be talking on.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_02: But Star Wars, when I was a kid, was everything to me, so I'm excited to kind of explore this.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: Sweet.
1:00:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, but thank you guys so much for watching.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for jumping on.
1:00:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, and take a look if you get a chance at the Emerald Knight if you want to join the membership and also join us in two days for El Mago Cigars.
1:00:52
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be a fantastic interview.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_02: Newest brand to hit OGT.
1:00:55
SPEAKER_02: Um, Curtis, thanks for hanging out, and we'll see next week for Star Wars month.
1:01:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and once again.