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BONUS: What To Expect From Ohio State vs Penn State · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's Juck. We are not bemoaning the noon kickoff.
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Speaker 2: I want Michigan to beat Oklahoma? No way in hell.
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Speaker 2: and Wednesday at eight pm or eight oh three as
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Speaker 2: it were. I apologize guys. Tonight we're getting in some
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Speaker 2: Buckeyes talking to Rand from his press conference Penn State.
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Speaker 2: Of course, Jim Knowles, Tom and Tony. Tom and Tony
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Speaker 2: put something out yesterday. I'm gonna watch it with you, guys,
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Speaker 2: and I'm gonna weigh in on my comments, which are
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Speaker 2: slightly different, a little bit of a different view than
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Speaker 2: they have on that. We've got some recruiting news all
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Speaker 2: that plus your comments. And please, if you want to
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Speaker 2: get at me, put a question mark on your comment
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Speaker 2: or statement and I'll be able to see it easily.
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Speaker 2: It'll flag it for me. But the buck guys gearing
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Speaker 2: up for Penn State. And it was very apparent yesterday
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Speaker 2: at Ryan Day's press conference that he's got a black heart. Man,
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Speaker 2: he's got a black heart for Penn State. Of course,
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Speaker 2: Ohio State the blackout game, and usually when it's a blackout,
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Speaker 2: that means the buck Eyes are playing at night, the
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Speaker 2: fans are wearing black, the team is wearing black. Will
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Speaker 2: they surprise us? They've not announced they'll be wearing black,
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Speaker 2: some people say, and are adamant that they don't even
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Speaker 2: have black uniforms anymore in the building, and it'll be
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Speaker 2: interesting to see if the fans even listen. Remember we
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Speaker 2: did try this with the helmet stripe game. Everybody was
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Speaker 2: supposed to wear gray. The student section was supposed to
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Speaker 2: execute the helmet stripe, which they did flawlessly. Shout out
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Speaker 2: to the student section. The rest of us not so much,
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Speaker 2: not so much. It was not very much gray at all.
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Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting to see if they can pull
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Speaker 2: off the blackout. Will it even look good during the day.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I personally don't like the look of
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Speaker 2: the blackout even at night anyway. I just think it's
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Speaker 2: not I think I think all scarlet really pops incredibly
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Speaker 2: great in the blackout. Not so much. But this whole
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Speaker 2: talk about them not having the black uniforms and that
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Speaker 2: Nike doesn't even make them for them anymore, I find
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Speaker 2: to be ridiculous. Like, if Ohio State wants black uniforms,
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Speaker 2: Nike will make them black uniforms. That's something that really
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Speaker 2: just burns me. But honestly, I don't like the black
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Speaker 2: uniforms myself. I do have the black helmet pulled out.
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Speaker 2: I got the black helmet pulled out. It's not my
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Speaker 2: favorite helmet, I gotta be honest, not my favorite helmet.
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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of alternate buckeye helmets that I
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Speaker 2: like way more than that. But it's clear to me
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Speaker 2: that when I talk to people about it, like the
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Speaker 2: majority of players and fans of all the alts like
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Speaker 2: the black is the favorite one. The black is the
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Speaker 2: one that people go crazy over. Personally, I love the scarlet.
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Speaker 2: I like the all white. Look the grays I could
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Speaker 2: do without. I don't think many people love the grays,
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Speaker 2: but most people like the blacks. And like, I understand
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Speaker 2: the stance that if you're not gonna do alternates, like
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Speaker 2: we're not gonna do any, Okay, fine, you don't want
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Speaker 2: to do any, don't do any. But if you're gonna
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Speaker 2: do them, why not do the ones that everybody likes?
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Speaker 2: Like look at Thomas here. The blacks are the coldest.
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Speaker 2: Everybody loves the black, not me, but why not do
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Speaker 2: the one the majority of everybody wants? Right, everybody wants
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Speaker 2: the black, Do the black. If you're gonna do them,
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Speaker 2: I don't get it. My man here hates the all red.
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Speaker 2: See people go crazy over the All Red. A lot
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Speaker 2: of people like the All Red. I didn't think i'd
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Speaker 2: like the all scarlets, but they're my favorite. Chris, I
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Speaker 2: love the all scarlet. But I'm with you. I didn't
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Speaker 2: think i'd like it at all. But it almost feels
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Speaker 2: to me at this point like the same thing with
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Speaker 2: the Heritage sleeves. Right, they know everybody wants the heritage sleeves,
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Speaker 2: and they literally wouldn't roll them out even in the
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Speaker 2: playoffs until the National Championship game. And it almost feels
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Speaker 2: like they're enjoying taunting us. They're enjoying taunting us here.
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Speaker 2: We know you like all it's not going to give
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Speaker 2: you the black though, we know you want the heritage stripe.
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Speaker 2: Teams got to make it to the National Championship. It's
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Speaker 2: pretty wild, man. But Penn State, obviously this game nothing
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Speaker 2: like we thought it would be at the beginning of
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Speaker 2: the season. Ryan Day, look, we might have had it circled.
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Speaker 2: He said specifically yesterday that they did not have it circled.
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Speaker 2: But it's one they always point to, of course, and
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Speaker 2: I was curious to see how he was going to
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Speaker 2: talk about this game against this walking corpse of a team.
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Speaker 2: Way no, the you are Wayne is wearing black. The
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Speaker 2: fans are supposed to wear black. The team not announced
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Speaker 2: that they will be wearing black. My hope is they'll
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Speaker 2: surprise us. I seriously doubt that'll happen. But Ryan Day
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Speaker 2: talked about this game, and he brought up matchup game.
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Speaker 2: And when he brings up matchup game, a lot of
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Speaker 2: people get scared because he tends to coach a little
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Speaker 2: different in games that he calls a matchup game. But
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Speaker 2: I think that's the old Ryan Day. I think that's over.
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Speaker 2: I think he proved that in the playoffs, and there's
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Speaker 2: only one game that he coaches different, and hopefully he
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Speaker 2: shows us differently this year. Jeez, the next month. It's
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Speaker 2: coming up real soon here. Now it's technically true that
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Speaker 2: this is kind of a talent equated game, right, which
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Speaker 2: is his definition of a matchup game. They're close to
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Speaker 2: talent equated. They got a lot of talent, but they're
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Speaker 2: also a three touchdown underdog, which makes us a really
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Speaker 2: awkward matchup. Their fans don't even think they have a shot,
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Speaker 2: do their players. I wonder that I was literally on
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Speaker 2: a Penn State show today, Guys. Thirty minutes long, the
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Speaker 2: game this Saturday, not one of the questions. I didn't
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Speaker 2: get a single question about the game, not one. It
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Speaker 2: was all about Brian Hartline the whole thing. And I
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Speaker 2: get it. They're totally checked out on the season, like
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Speaker 2: the fans don't even care. It's a total wash. I
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Speaker 2: wonder how the team's feeling, because from my perspective, if
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Speaker 2: I'm a senior and I came back and we know
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Speaker 2: that they kind of gave up on the season, but
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Speaker 2: this is their one shot, this is all they've got.
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Speaker 2: Are they capable of doing anything with Ethan Grunkmeyer. That's
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Speaker 2: the thing, you know, even if everybody else on the
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Speaker 2: team is all bought in and they're playing there a given,
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Speaker 2: they're all like, are they capable with that offense? I
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Speaker 2: don't really think so. I don't really think so. You know,
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Speaker 2: the schedules worked out to be a lot different than
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Speaker 2: we originally thought when looking at it at the beginning
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Speaker 2: of the year. It's worked out in a way that
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Speaker 2: I don't think is really helpful for the team. Ohio
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Speaker 2: State kind of been eviscerated nationally for this schedule, which
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Speaker 2: is always just it makes me so angry to be honest,
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Speaker 2: like we came in the year. In all the metrics
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Speaker 2: that ranked schedules had Ohio State ranked about thirty if
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Speaker 2: out of the one hundred and thirty six teams. And
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Speaker 2: that's not great, but it's not bad. It's like right
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the of the power. For many
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Speaker 2: SEC fans have said that they're jealous of this schedule.
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Speaker 2: They keep bringing that up. I really think that Ryan
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Speaker 2: Day would rather have a really tough opponent right about
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Speaker 2: now in this spot, Like I think he was looking
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Speaker 2: forward to where Penn State was scheduled here because it's
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Speaker 2: kind of like two thirds of the way between the season,
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Speaker 2: or halfway if we're counting like the whole run, if
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Speaker 2: you make it all the way, And I just think
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Speaker 2: it's advantageous to play a really tough opponent right now.
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Speaker 2: Before you rolled into kind of cream puff Alley with Purdue, Ucla,
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Speaker 2: and Rutgers before the game. But now it looks like
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Speaker 2: Penn State could potentially be part of cream Puff Valley,
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Speaker 2: which means Wisconsin, Penn State, Perdue, Ucla, Rutgers, five lowly opponents,
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Speaker 2: five games that you walk in as a massive favorite
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Speaker 2: before the game, and it doesn't really give you a
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Speaker 2: chance to test yourself, and we look at Oregon last year.
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Speaker 2: You go out at Oregon, you play that game, and
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Speaker 2: it shows you what you got to work on. You're
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Speaker 2: not getting that test until you get to Michigan now,
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Speaker 2: and as it turns out, we're going to look at
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Speaker 2: this season and it's going to be like, Okay, Game
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Speaker 2: one and Game twelve were the two toughest games. I think.
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Speaker 2: I think that's how it's going to look at the end.
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Speaker 2: So you're not getting that mid season super hard test.
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Speaker 2: You know, Illinois was kind of tough, Washington was kind
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Speaker 2: of tough. I don't think any of you or anybody
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Speaker 2: on the team actually thought that there was a real
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Speaker 2: chance they were gonna lose those games. I'm curious to
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Speaker 2: see what that game plan will be. It feels like
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Speaker 2: outside of Texas, every game this year, the game plan
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Speaker 2: has been not with just today in mind. It's been
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Speaker 2: about we're building for the future. Like Texas was all
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Speaker 2: about that game, We've gotta win this game today, nothing
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Speaker 2: else matters. Every other game it's been we're working on
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Speaker 2: a specific piece of the offense, or we're working on
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Speaker 2: this personnel grouping, we're trying to find a we're limiting plays.
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Speaker 2: We're trying to find a balance of limiting plays and
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Speaker 2: getting as much experience as we can for the young guys.
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Speaker 2: How do you treat this one? Is Ryan, They're gonna
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Speaker 2: treat this like Texas, like it's all about today or
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Speaker 2: is it gonna be played with We're gonna be working
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Speaker 2: on something that'll probably come up on our ten Questions video.
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Speaker 2: But unfortunately Ohio State, through no fault of their own,
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Speaker 2: at the end of the year, this schedule is not
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Speaker 2: gonna look good. And luckily that doesn't really matter anymore.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter. It never mattered when you ran
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Speaker 2: the table. But even if you lose one game, it
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Speaker 2: doesn't really much matter. You got to lose three games
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Speaker 2: for that to matter. So the resume test not a
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Speaker 2: big deal. But as it stands, like number twenty three Illinois,
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Speaker 2: they got a good chance of running the table and
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Speaker 2: finishing nine to three, so they may finish ranked. If
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Speaker 2: Ohio State beats Michigan, Michigan will be nine and three,
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Speaker 2: they'll probably finish ranked, and Texas probably will not. Texas
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Speaker 2: will probably finish eight and four. Washington, They've still got
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Speaker 2: to play Oregon, so not so sure about that. And
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Speaker 2: the polls haven't really loved them. The season might end
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Speaker 2: with Ohio State having just beaten two teams ranked in
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Speaker 2: the twenties, which is odd not the Buckey's fault. They
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Speaker 2: scheduled a behemoth opponent to start the season and get
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Speaker 2: to have them again at the beginning of next year,
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Speaker 2: which is a game I think I'm going to try
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Speaker 2: to go down to. I think I'm gonna go down
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Speaker 2: take that trip to Austin. But coming into the season, Texas,
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Speaker 2: Penn State, Illinois, they were all top ten, Like it
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Speaker 2: looked really great coming in. And I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you guys caught this, but t Bob Abar, a former
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Speaker 2: LSU center was on there was on their barstool whatever
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Speaker 2: stupid show that I don't watch, but I saw the
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Speaker 2: clip and he was saying how it must just suck
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Speaker 2: to be an Ohio State fan, and like, I understood
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Speaker 2: his point, and his point is you don't get to
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Speaker 2: watch many competitive games, and I get what he's saying.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people took this to be like, what
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Speaker 2: are you a moron? You win all the time in
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Speaker 2: Ohio's date It's great, it's awesome, and it is, but
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Speaker 2: it is awesome to see games that get your juices
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Speaker 2: flow in games. It's like, there's a reason we look
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Speaker 2: forward to that Oregon game all off season because it
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Speaker 2: was scary, right, because we thought there was a chance
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Speaker 2: we could lose, and we did end up losing. But
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Speaker 2: that's those are the games that we look forward to
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Speaker 2: the most, the games that put that fear of potentially
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Speaker 2: losing and buddy, we got it. We got it. Hey,
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Speaker 2: li's how you doing? We got it next year. If
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Speaker 2: you haven't seen next year's schedule, I like to pull
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Speaker 2: this up to show everybody, just to let everybody know
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Speaker 2: what we got coming. We got Texas at Texas, we
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Speaker 2: are at Indiana, we are at Iowa, we are at Nebraska.
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Speaker 2: We've got Illinois. We've got Maryland and they're on the
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Speaker 2: come up. We've got Michigan, Northwestern and Oregon underneath Oregon.
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Speaker 2: You can't see this. Let me pull my banner down
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Speaker 2: here in my picture. USC is this crazy? Or what? USC? Oregon,
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Speaker 2: Michigan and Nebraska in Texas five blue bloods. And then
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Speaker 2: you add on to that Illinois upper echelon of that
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Speaker 2: middle tier of the big ten in Iowa, like this
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Speaker 2: is an absolute banger. We are going to be getting
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Speaker 2: up like every week for a game. It's gonna be amazing.
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Speaker 2: So to his point talking about you know, it must
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Speaker 2: suck to be an Ohio State fan, like that's what
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Speaker 2: he meant. Next year is going to be a total
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Speaker 2: different scenario, a total different scenario, and the Buckeyes are
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Speaker 2: going to have to bring it every day. But the
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Speaker 2: thing is they bring it the most when it's a
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Speaker 2: game like that, which I love. And we talk about
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Speaker 2: this year like limiting the plays and stuff for the
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Speaker 2: duration of the season. I mean, that's a season where
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Speaker 2: it would be like, okay, we're talking body blow game
14:23
Speaker 2: after bodyblow game after bodyblow game. It might even be
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Speaker 2: slower next year, to be honest, which is just amazing.
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Speaker 2: We look at this year at sixty two plays per
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Speaker 2: game right now versus twenty eighteen at eighty two plays
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Speaker 2: a game, and like, the difference is just insane. But
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Speaker 2: fighting the battle of public perception are the buck eyes.
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Speaker 2: You don't need to anymore, but a lot of people
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Speaker 2: want to put Indiana or Texas A and M number one.
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Speaker 2: And this stuff always irritates me. Man. I don't know
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Speaker 2: why I let it bother me, But the public discourse
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Speaker 2: irritates me because I feel like Ohio State's always the
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Speaker 2: target of they're not as good as everybody, or you know,
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Speaker 2: it's always trying to downplay Ohio State. People right now
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Speaker 2: talking about what is Ohio State done that Texas A
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Speaker 2: and M in Indiana, haven't they got better wins et,
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Speaker 2: ceter up? What have they done to deserve or merit
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Speaker 2: the number one ranking? And like, that's not how rankings work.
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Speaker 2: It's not a resume contest, it's not an award. It's
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Speaker 2: a collection of people deciding who they think are the
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Speaker 2: best teams in ranking them in order. They don't got
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Speaker 2: to show their criteria. Theyn't have to show their work
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Speaker 2: that I have to explain their logic. Is the benefit
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Speaker 2: of the doubt in most cases going to go to
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Speaker 2: the most historically dominant program in the country. Yeah, yeah,
15:39
Speaker 2: most of the time, the benefit of the doubt's going
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Speaker 2: to go to them. That's why they probably have such
15:43
Speaker 2: an overwhelmingly overwhelming amount of those number one votes. Out
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Speaker 2: of sixty six, I think they got like fifty plus.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, Indiana's really good. I think Texas A and
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Speaker 2: M is really good too. But if you're watching these
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Speaker 2: three teams. And I've said this, I don't care who
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Speaker 2: Ohio State's played. All three of these teams. We could
16:04
Speaker 2: watch them play against Division III teams and you could
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Speaker 2: spot who the different team is, and the different team
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Speaker 2: is Ohio State. They move different athletics' just a different team.
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Speaker 2: And that's why the folks with the big money on
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Speaker 2: the line don't have Texas, A and M or Indiana
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Speaker 2: at plus two fifty to cover their butts. They're at
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Speaker 2: like plus seven hundred. But I do believe it is
16:29
Speaker 2: advantageous to be tested a little more throughout the year.
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Speaker 2: This particular team, they're so prepared every week. It's not
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Speaker 2: something that I'm worried about or concerned about. But there
16:39
Speaker 2: have been some teams where I'm like, yeah, they could
16:41
Speaker 2: have used some more tests during the year who maybe
16:44
Speaker 2: didn't perform as well in the postseason that I think
16:46
Speaker 2: could have benefited over the years from having some stiffer
16:50
Speaker 2: competition in the Big Ten. So anyway, that's what it is,
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Speaker 2: and it sucks. But next year's schedule the exact exact opposite,
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Speaker 2: which I'm really excited for. But this Saturday probably not
17:03
Speaker 2: going to be a battle test. There will be some
17:06
Speaker 2: gnarly position battles, right like, we're gonna get to be
17:09
Speaker 2: able to get a real test for the offensive line.
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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. The offensive line comes off
17:14
Speaker 2: a rough game at Wisconsin and playing against Penn State,
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Speaker 2: they're going to get an absolutely huge test. So while
17:21
Speaker 2: the game totally you know, the total game twenty and
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Speaker 2: a half point line, probably not going to be a test,
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Speaker 2: it'll be a heck of a test for the offensive line.
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Speaker 2: Ryan Day was asked yesterday about Josh Padilla and Tiger
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Speaker 2: in that battle. We talked about this on Monday. Who
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Speaker 2: would start at right guard? Well, Ryan Day, last year
17:42
Speaker 2: going to Penn State was the first game that Donovan
17:44
Speaker 2: Jackson got moved out to tackle, which required bringing in
17:47
Speaker 2: another guard, and he decided to go with Carson Hnsman,
17:51
Speaker 2: which was a surprise to most of us. Carson wasn't
17:54
Speaker 2: the next guy up at any point that year, in
17:56
Speaker 2: that year up to that point, but he went with
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Speaker 2: Carson because of a experience, and because of that, I thought,
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Speaker 2: you know, whether or not Padia ends up earning those
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Speaker 2: starts or not, probably not gonna be against Penn State,
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Speaker 2: and it's not gonna be. He's gonna stick with Tiger
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Speaker 2: to start, but he praised Padilla up and down. Now
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Speaker 2: Padia hasn't been perfect. I do think Padilla's floor is
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Speaker 2: about what we're getting out of Tegro, which means Teger's
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Speaker 2: had an opportunity to get better for twenty four starts
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Speaker 2: down in Ohio State twenty four and it's time to
18:26
Speaker 2: turn the pace. Now. Padia is a little undersized. There
18:30
Speaker 2: are some plays in that last game where you could say, Okay,
18:33
Speaker 2: he got a little man handled on this play, but
18:36
Speaker 2: there's also some plays that are He doesn't make as
18:38
Speaker 2: many mental errors as Tiger right off the rip already,
18:41
Speaker 2: which is amazing because he's literally a center playing guard,
18:46
Speaker 2: so that's a big plus. He's a leverage monster and
18:50
Speaker 2: it helps him in his run blocking. When he gets
18:52
Speaker 2: up in under their shoulder pads, he can drive him
18:54
Speaker 2: pretty good, which I really like. So he played twenty
18:59
Speaker 2: six snaps out of the sixty five offensive snaps, which
19:04
Speaker 2: was his high on the year last game at Wisconsin.
19:07
Speaker 2: Curious to see how many he's going to play at
19:08
Speaker 2: Penn State. But I'm also hoping Teker just does a
19:11
Speaker 2: great job too, because if he can continue to improve,
19:13
Speaker 2: that would be the best thing, continue to improve. I
19:16
Speaker 2: just think he is what he is at this point.
19:18
Speaker 2: But the offensive line gonna get a big test. The
19:21
Speaker 2: defensive line as well, gonna get a huge test against
19:24
Speaker 2: Penn State. They got a great offensive line, they got
19:26
Speaker 2: a great offensive line coach. So we're really going to
19:28
Speaker 2: get to see, all right, how's Eadric looking now? You know,
19:33
Speaker 2: he comes back from his injury, has a good game,
19:37
Speaker 2: and then last game against Wisconsin, he has some moments
19:41
Speaker 2: that don't look so hot. People still pointing to I
19:43
Speaker 2: think he's still injured. I just don't think he is.
19:47
Speaker 2: I don't think he is. I think that this is
19:50
Speaker 2: right now who he is. He's a very inconsistent player,
19:53
Speaker 2: and that sucks. It's not what we thought coming into
19:55
Speaker 2: the year. But this whole thing about the injury, like,
19:58
Speaker 2: you know, he was injured before Grant Rambling in Ohio,
20:01
Speaker 2: but he played against Grambling in Ohio, and I don't
20:05
Speaker 2: think that the coaches are playing him if he's at
20:07
Speaker 2: all injured against Grambling in Ohio. It's totally unnecessary. And
20:12
Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of like the Garrett Nussmeyer
20:15
Speaker 2: excuse this year. He's injured, He's injured, he's injured, and
20:17
Speaker 2: it just doesn't I don't think he's injured. I really don't,
20:21
Speaker 2: And I don't think Edrick's injured either. So I think
20:24
Speaker 2: this is who he is right now. But he needs
20:26
Speaker 2: more reps, He needs to play a lot, and he
20:27
Speaker 2: needs to continue to improve time alone. Has improved literally
20:32
Speaker 2: every single game this year. It's been awesome to see.
20:36
Speaker 2: It is definitely an area of need and he's really
20:39
Speaker 2: stepped up to the plate the fifth year guy, which
20:42
Speaker 2: is awesome to see. He's got the size, he's physical.
20:45
Speaker 2: He's also made a few mental errors here and there,
20:48
Speaker 2: but every game it gets better and it feels like
20:51
Speaker 2: the more comfortable he gets, the more confident he gets
20:53
Speaker 2: and the better he plays. So that's been great to see.
20:55
Speaker 2: But I'm really looking forward to seeing him and big
20:58
Speaker 2: Willie style. Will Smith, You're number fifty three, is out
21:03
Speaker 2: there just beating dudes to death. He is so awesome
21:08
Speaker 2: and I never would have seen it coming. There was
21:11
Speaker 2: hype about him in the off season, and it was
21:14
Speaker 2: purely speculative based on what people were hearing around the Woody.
21:19
Speaker 2: I wasn't buying it. I wasn't buying It's not because
21:21
Speaker 2: I didn't believe in him as a prospect. I did
21:23
Speaker 2: coming out of high school. I thought he was a
21:25
Speaker 2: little undervalued. And then towards the end of the cycle,
21:28
Speaker 2: he got a big ratings bump up to like a
21:29
Speaker 2: top one fifty player in the country, and I was like,
21:32
Speaker 2: there we go. Because he had quick feet, he was strong,
21:36
Speaker 2: and I was really excited for him. Then he got
21:38
Speaker 2: to Ohio State and it wasn't looking good the first
21:40
Speaker 2: couple of years, and he's even said now like he
21:43
Speaker 2: didn't feel, you know, like he was quite measuring up.
21:46
Speaker 2: But then this off season they start talking to a
21:49
Speaker 2: matter of fact, Pedia started talking about him, and that's
21:51
Speaker 2: when I started to believe it. When Padia started to
21:53
Speaker 2: talk about him, He's like, it is so tough to
21:55
Speaker 2: go from blocking Caden McDonald to blocking Will Smith because
21:59
Speaker 2: they're so different, and Will is just so slippery and
22:04
Speaker 2: sure enough man, Will has been so slippery but also strong.
22:08
Speaker 2: I mean, he there's sometimes where like Pidia, because he's
22:12
Speaker 2: a little undersized for a noseguard, he can get knocked
22:16
Speaker 2: out of the way quite a bit. But that happens
22:18
Speaker 2: to Adric all the time playing the three tech. But
22:21
Speaker 2: Will Smith the majority of the time, will get under you,
22:24
Speaker 2: leverage you and push you out of the way, clog
22:27
Speaker 2: his spot, not get blown off on a double team.
22:30
Speaker 2: He has done fantastic. I think he's been the second
22:33
Speaker 2: best interior defensive lineman this year so far, and that
22:37
Speaker 2: is just tremendous. So looking forward to watching that defensive
22:41
Speaker 2: line and that offensive line. When we talk about what
22:47
Speaker 2: Penn State can bring here, not much, I don't think
22:50
Speaker 2: offensively with Ethan Grunkmeyer, who is a kid from Owen
22:54
Speaker 2: Tangi who I've always rooted for, just like I always
22:58
Speaker 2: rooted for Drew Aller, like just the player, specifically Drew
23:01
Speaker 2: Aller from Northeast Ohio. I watched him a couple of
23:03
Speaker 2: times in high school and just kind of rooted for him.
23:06
Speaker 2: Another guy who torched the end of the cycle. He spiked.
23:08
Speaker 2: He was the number one quarterback in the class when
23:11
Speaker 2: it closed. And my buddy Landon Tangwell, who is a
23:15
Speaker 2: Penn State guy, did a video and he showed Drew
23:19
Speaker 2: Aler's first game and he broke it down and he
23:22
Speaker 2: said that the first game he played at Penn State
23:24
Speaker 2: was the best game he ever played. Like Penn State
23:27
Speaker 2: just kind of ruined him. Slowly. Now that makes me
23:30
Speaker 2: feel better, So I'm gonna go ahead and go with that.
23:32
Speaker 2: But I'm really sad for how that guy's career ended.
23:34
Speaker 2: Right Like the dude is like, doesn't even get to
23:37
Speaker 2: play a final game and gets celebrated by the fans.
23:40
Speaker 2: He's just done. He's gone. And if he'd entered the
23:43
Speaker 2: draft last year, they would have bo Prabula. This year,
23:47
Speaker 2: Olive would have got drafted top three as it stands.
23:50
Speaker 2: Now what happens with his career, who knows, But Ethan
23:53
Speaker 2: Grunkmeyer ended up I think a top top seven or
23:57
Speaker 2: eight quarterback in the class when it ended in teng
24:00
Speaker 2: He grew up a Buckeye fan, always wanted to play
24:02
Speaker 2: in the shoe, and he gets his opportunity and probably
24:07
Speaker 2: not gonna be great for him this Saturday, second year
24:10
Speaker 2: in the program, got a great quarterback coach, Drew Aller's
24:13
Speaker 2: quarterback coach, Brad Maneler the best quarterback coach in the Midwest,
24:18
Speaker 2: no jokes, because of Aller's look. Allard throwing the ball,
24:22
Speaker 2: He's got a beautiful arm, beautiful arm. He just doesn't
24:26
Speaker 2: do it when it counts or enough. But Ethan Gruckmeyer's
24:30
Speaker 2: got some serious tools. He absolutely does. But I was
24:33
Speaker 2: listening to Tom and Tony the other day and my
24:36
Speaker 2: guys man bucke huddle dot com Tom Tony, I love
24:40
Speaker 2: those guys. I've been watching him for years. I love
24:43
Speaker 2: working with him. They've been fantastic to work with. And
24:46
Speaker 2: you can join us over at bucke huddle dot com anytime.
24:50
Speaker 2: We're talking on the board all day. They're fantastic guys.
24:54
Speaker 2: But they did a video that I call taking one
24:57
Speaker 2: for the team. They did it for us. They forced
25:00
Speaker 2: themselves to watch Ethan grunk Myers first start Penn State
25:05
Speaker 2: at Iowa, and that is dedication to the craft. Now,
25:09
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the game. I listened to them describe
25:13
Speaker 2: the game, and their description was so boring, not any
25:16
Speaker 2: fault of their own the game itself, the description was
25:18
Speaker 2: so boring. I couldn't imagine watching it. They both watched
25:22
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Ethan grunk Meyer averaged three yards a completion,
25:27
Speaker 2: which Thomas Stuteley pointed out he could complete a pass
25:30
Speaker 2: on first, second, and third down and they still wouldn't
25:32
Speaker 2: have a first down. But the Penn State offense, they
25:36
Speaker 2: couldn't do anything against Iowa, nothing at all. Is that
25:41
Speaker 2: offense going to be able to do anything against Ohio State.
25:44
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's clear the answer is no,
25:47
Speaker 2: unless there are maybe a couple of fluky series here
25:50
Speaker 2: or there, maybe they can put ten points on the
25:52
Speaker 2: board with some serious flukes, or if Ohio State is
25:56
Speaker 2: able to run in the full second team at the
25:58
Speaker 2: end of the game, and you got pissed off Ryan
26:02
Speaker 2: Day running the starters back out because they're moving the ball.
26:05
Speaker 2: I just don't see any way they're gonna be able
26:07
Speaker 2: to move the ball. And if they can't move the ball,
26:10
Speaker 2: obviously they can't score thirty. And it's going to take
26:12
Speaker 2: thirty to beat these buck guys. So as far as
26:15
Speaker 2: the game goes, it's kind of hard to get really
26:16
Speaker 2: excited other than we're looking for personal development out of
26:20
Speaker 2: certain players, right, That's what I'm looking for now. One
26:25
Speaker 2: of the reasons that Ryan Day is treating this like
26:29
Speaker 2: a matchup game. He explained this yesterday. You only get
26:33
Speaker 2: twelve games, and he preaches this to the guys and
26:36
Speaker 2: the staff all the time. You're guaranteed twelve games, and
26:38
Speaker 2: it goes by fast, and boy, we know it goes
26:40
Speaker 2: by fast. I can't believe We're already halfway through basically
26:44
Speaker 2: all of it. If it has to gets to the
26:46
Speaker 2: national championship. We are halfway through. It feels like it
26:49
Speaker 2: just started. But at the same time, when I think
26:51
Speaker 2: about the Texas game, it does feel like it was
26:53
Speaker 2: a long time ago. It's football. It just goes by
26:55
Speaker 2: so fast. Man. Every year it goes by so fast.
26:58
Speaker 2: And someone who is only getting twelve snaps a game,
27:03
Speaker 2: right like that's a serious contributor on the team and
27:07
Speaker 2: you're only guaranteed twelve games like that is not a
27:09
Speaker 2: lot of opportunities. And this is how, you know, one
27:13
Speaker 2: of the ways he gets these guys up for it
27:15
Speaker 2: every week. This is an unbelievable skill that he has
27:18
Speaker 2: to keep them focused every single game, even when they're
27:22
Speaker 2: on a stretch like this, which we just talked about.
27:25
Speaker 2: Look Wisconsin, Penn State, Perdue, Rutgers, Purdue, UCLA Wreckers, a
27:30
Speaker 2: five game stretch where you're gonna be a twenty point
27:33
Speaker 2: favorite plus every single game. We've seen Ohio State teams
27:38
Speaker 2: in the past screw around and lose one of these games.
27:42
Speaker 2: And Ryan Day has been so fantastic with these kind
27:45
Speaker 2: of games. And that's why his record is what it
27:49
Speaker 2: is that overall record is stellar, not just because he
27:52
Speaker 2: wins the big ones, which he didn't always have a
27:54
Speaker 2: great record in the big ones, but because he always
27:57
Speaker 2: does what he's supposed to do, and you're supposed to
28:00
Speaker 2: win these games. He always does. Now. Tony told me
28:04
Speaker 2: yesterday at the press conference that was the least he's
28:06
Speaker 2: ever heard on a Penn State week talk of Penn State.
28:10
Speaker 2: There wasn't much talk of Penn State yesterday. A funny
28:14
Speaker 2: story about Ryan Day and the maze, the corn Maze.
28:18
Speaker 2: He went to a corn maze with the family. The
28:20
Speaker 2: corn maze was his face. And he's sitting here talking about, yeah,
28:24
Speaker 2: you know, it was just a day trying to get
28:25
Speaker 2: out and be normal, and I'm thinking, like, dude, this
28:28
Speaker 2: guy's normal is going to a corn maze and it's
28:31
Speaker 2: literally his face. That's something that is something I talked
28:37
Speaker 2: about going in the Haunted House and a guy scaring
28:40
Speaker 2: him with a mask and the guy was like a
28:42
Speaker 2: coach Day. I was like, yeah, man, it's a different
28:46
Speaker 2: it's a different life man. The guy is I mean,
28:48
Speaker 2: he's incredibly famous, right, incredibly famous. Trying to live a
28:52
Speaker 2: normal life as a football coach. It would be a
28:55
Speaker 2: really strange, strange living. But that press conference was a
28:59
Speaker 2: lot about coaching and coaching changes, some about Jim Knowles,
29:04
Speaker 2: some more about potentially losing a coach on the staff,
29:07
Speaker 2: and that obviously was related to all the Brian Hartline
29:10
Speaker 2: talk going around. Nobody specifically said anything about Heartline, but
29:16
Speaker 2: there were questions like, you know, uh, do do coaches
29:20
Speaker 2: tell you when they're talking to somebody? Do you worry
29:24
Speaker 2: about getting your coordinators back yearly? Actually, here's a here's
29:29
Speaker 2: a clip of Tony asking his question yesterday to Ryan
29:32
Speaker 2: Day than throwing around there, how does that fact do?
29:36
Speaker 3: And Dave to day game planning coaches, how do you
29:40
Speaker 3: how do you keep it from impacting that?
29:42
Speaker 2: And can you any more expectorate? Sure your coregator's year
29:46
Speaker 2: after year?
29:47
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope, so that's the goal, but you
29:50
Speaker 4: don't know, you don't know what's coming next. It makes
29:53
Speaker 4: you wake up a couple of minutes earlier every day,
29:55
Speaker 4: can stay up a little later. That's just the reality
29:57
Speaker 4: of it. But but this is this is the we
30:00
Speaker 4: live in and there's nothing better.
30:01
Speaker 2: It's the most competitive environment there is in.
30:03
Speaker 4: The entire world. And you know, get your blood flown
30:06
Speaker 4: every day and it's great to be around these guys
30:08
Speaker 4: and we say it all the time, like it's a
30:09
Speaker 4: privilege to be a part of this. Man, you're relevant,
30:11
Speaker 4: you're in the middle of it all. Let's go, and
30:14
Speaker 4: I just I want to make sure our players are
30:16
Speaker 4: coaches everybody hasn't looked back in ten years, twenty years
30:19
Speaker 4: and say, man, like those are the best times in
30:22
Speaker 4: our lives.
30:23
Speaker 2: And we were worried about X Y and Z.
30:25
Speaker 4: No, no, no, just go out there and play, man, be
30:27
Speaker 4: the most prepared team in the country, and go enjoy it.
30:30
Speaker 4: And enjoying is winning, you know. So I think we
30:34
Speaker 4: have the ability right now to focus on, you know,
30:36
Speaker 4: the task at hand, and that right now is Penn State.
30:38
Speaker 2: It's all about the Ninny Lions.
30:40
Speaker 4: And these these games against Penn State have always been
30:43
Speaker 4: a battle. It was a battle last year and it's
30:44
Speaker 4: going to be a battle this year. So but we
30:47
Speaker 4: knew that when we saw the schedule, like okay that
30:49
Speaker 4: you know, we're not going to circle opponents on our schedule,
30:51
Speaker 4: but we know that one's going to be a battle,
30:53
Speaker 4: and it's a matchup game that we're going to have
30:54
Speaker 4: to bring it at home. So we also need the fans.
30:57
Speaker 4: I think our fans have been great this year year,
31:00
Speaker 4: but we got to be the We got to be
31:02
Speaker 4: at our best. They've got to be at their best,
31:03
Speaker 4: you know, make it as hard as possible and make
31:06
Speaker 4: it a really difficult environment for them to operate in.
31:09
Speaker 2: We're gonna be at our best. Coach going to be
31:11
Speaker 2: at our best. I doubt that we can expect most
31:14
Speaker 2: to be in Black I don't know, just based on
31:16
Speaker 2: that Gray, I'm not thinking. I'm not thinking it's going
31:18
Speaker 2: to be great. But the truth is we can expect
31:22
Speaker 2: now moving from here on out, Ryan Day's coaches continually
31:27
Speaker 2: trying to get poached. That is just the reality of
31:30
Speaker 2: life now that his organization is going to be living in.
31:35
Speaker 2: This guy has the number one team in the country
31:37
Speaker 2: after rolling over the roster, after winning a national championship,
31:40
Speaker 2: and just like we saw half of the sec through
31:44
Speaker 2: through Saban's career, higher away somebody from Alabama's staff to
31:50
Speaker 2: try to bring in some piece of the Alabama program.
31:55
Speaker 2: What are they doing, how are they doing it? What's
31:58
Speaker 2: so special about it? And we saw garbage coaches Jeremy
32:03
Speaker 2: Pruett get hired away as head coaches from Alabama just
32:08
Speaker 2: to try to get a slice of that. We're gonna
32:10
Speaker 2: start seeing it from guys off of Ryan Day's staff,
32:14
Speaker 2: and it is obviously more important now than it ever
32:17
Speaker 2: was back then to try to get somebody off of
32:21
Speaker 2: a staff that really knows what they're doing, because this
32:24
Speaker 2: era is so much more confusing to navigate than it
32:27
Speaker 2: was during Saban's era. There was no huge secrets to
32:30
Speaker 2: Saban's success. Hard work, discipline, recruit your butt off, have
32:34
Speaker 2: the best players there. You go now Ohio State, the
32:38
Speaker 2: culture that they've built, how they're spending their money, which
32:42
Speaker 2: you know, how they're retaining their players, so many good
32:45
Speaker 2: players and still able to bring in so many good players.
32:48
Speaker 2: And Ryan Day knows this is coming. He's already prepared
32:51
Speaker 2: for it. He's been getting prepared for it. He has
32:54
Speaker 2: talked literally for a year about studying Nick Saban and
32:59
Speaker 2: being ready for these types of these types of things.
33:03
Speaker 2: And Tuesday he brought up Nick Saban again.
33:07
Speaker 4: Coach Saban was was really good at in my opinion,
33:10
Speaker 4: you know, all those great runs that.
33:12
Speaker 2: He made each year.
33:14
Speaker 4: You know, he would have guys picked off of his staff,
33:16
Speaker 4: and then he was very thorough about how he hired
33:19
Speaker 4: the next one, and I'm sure he would say, you know,
33:21
Speaker 4: some were better than others, but but making sure that
33:25
Speaker 4: in that moment, we're not rushing in to make a decision.
33:27
Speaker 4: And I think you saw that with Matt.
33:29
Speaker 2: You know, there was a.
33:32
Speaker 4: Lag time between between when Jim left and when we
33:35
Speaker 4: hired Matt where I think, you know a lot of
33:36
Speaker 4: people were like, man, he's going to hire one here
33:38
Speaker 4: pretty soon, you know, but it left us in a
33:41
Speaker 4: tough spot because the hiring cycle was already sort of
33:45
Speaker 4: done and so it was so late. But you know,
33:49
Speaker 4: the fact that Matt was available, man, it ended up
33:53
Speaker 4: being a home run. And so just being thorough and
33:57
Speaker 4: making sure we're doing what's right by the players. I
33:59
Speaker 4: think getting some of their feed is important, you know,
34:01
Speaker 4: talking to Kill, talking to Sonny, you know, what do
34:03
Speaker 4: you guys think about this? And then the last part,
34:05
Speaker 4: which is probably the most important part, is getting the
34:08
Speaker 4: feedback of the assistant coaches, because you know, Tim, James,
34:13
Speaker 4: Larry Matty, they have to work with whoever this guy
34:17
Speaker 4: is who comes in and that's probably the part that
34:20
Speaker 4: maybe isn't getting recognized enough, because yeah, Jim did a
34:25
Speaker 4: great job last year.
34:26
Speaker 2: Matt's doing a great job this year.
34:27
Speaker 4: What's the common denominator those coaches and the players? So
34:34
Speaker 4: I think we have the best defensive coaching staff in America.
34:38
Speaker 2: I could cur I concur man. I love this defensive staff.
34:42
Speaker 2: But he talked about this is part of their unselfish motto,
34:47
Speaker 2: part of the culture man unselfish. When you win together,
34:50
Speaker 2: it creates opportunity for everybody in their careers. And he
34:52
Speaker 2: knows that, and he understands that and tries to make
34:55
Speaker 2: it as enticing as he can for everybody to stay
34:59
Speaker 2: as long as as long as he can keep him. Now,
35:02
Speaker 2: nobody asked directly about Brian Hartline. Of course, everybody knows
35:05
Speaker 2: about the rumors with Penn State, and currently he is
35:08
Speaker 2: tops on the betting odds for whatever book does such
35:12
Speaker 2: kind of strange odds for betting to get that Penn
35:15
Speaker 2: State job. Matt Rule up there as well, and Matt
35:18
Speaker 2: Rule really good friends with the athletic director Pat Kraft.
35:24
Speaker 2: But I just I mean, if I'm looking at this
35:27
Speaker 2: from the Penn State perspective, if I'm a Penn State fan,
35:30
Speaker 2: there is nothing Matt Rule has been good at taking
35:33
Speaker 2: a bad program and making him good. We've never seen
35:37
Speaker 2: him make a good program great, and there's nothing about
35:41
Speaker 2: him that would excite me. And I could say, as
35:43
Speaker 2: an Ohio State fan, if they hired Matt Rule, I
35:46
Speaker 2: would feel zero anything about it other than Penn State's
35:50
Speaker 2: going to be Penn State. James Franklin two point zero.
35:54
Speaker 2: There are only a couple of coaches that they could
35:56
Speaker 2: hire that would make me think uh oh, and one
35:59
Speaker 2: of them would be Heartline. That's my opinion on it.
36:01
Speaker 2: But it I don't think it's gonna happen. I don't
36:05
Speaker 2: think it's gonna happen because it's just such a boom
36:08
Speaker 2: or bust. And if you're the athletic director in that situation, like,
36:13
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out, you're fired. If it doesn't
36:15
Speaker 2: work out, you're an idiot, and how could you do that?
36:18
Speaker 2: But at the same time, what if you know, obviously
36:22
Speaker 2: it's too early, right, it's too early. It's not ideal
36:25
Speaker 2: for Brian Hartline, But what if And people talk about
36:27
Speaker 2: the lack of calm plays like, I don't care about
36:29
Speaker 2: any of that. I'm not bringing him into call plays.
36:32
Speaker 2: What do we do when a coach is calling plays?
36:34
Speaker 2: We tell him to stop calling plays. We all yell
36:36
Speaker 2: at the head coach to call his play. Stop calling plays,
36:39
Speaker 2: get a coordinator. But then at the same time we're hiring, well,
36:42
Speaker 2: this guy isn't called plays enough. It makes no sense
36:44
Speaker 2: to me. You're hiring the man. It's about the man.
36:48
Speaker 2: And we look at the best hires around the country recently,
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Speaker 2: Dan Lanning, Marcus Freeman, Like you're trying to tell me
36:54
Speaker 2: Brian Hartline doesn't match up to Dan Lanning as a man,
36:57
Speaker 2: Like they're literally almost the same guy. I think it'd
37:01
Speaker 2: be an absolute slam dunk. And I think what's going
37:04
Speaker 2: to happen is they're not going to hire him. Somebody
37:07
Speaker 2: else is going to hire him in two years and
37:09
Speaker 2: he's going to be that program's Dan Lanning and Penn
37:11
Speaker 2: State is going to be kicking themselves forever. That's what
37:14
Speaker 2: I think's going to happen. But it's just too boom
37:17
Speaker 2: or bust. But it hasn't stopped the Penn State fans
37:20
Speaker 2: from being incredibly excited about not just heartline, but maybe
37:24
Speaker 2: a little bit more your heartline.
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Speaker 5: Okay, what can you bring? What's your relationship with Jim Knowles?
37:29
Speaker 5: Is that even someone you want to keep, can you
37:32
Speaker 5: poach some more of the Ohio State staff as much
37:35
Speaker 5: as you're just a first time coordinator leaving. Can you
37:38
Speaker 5: grab a guy like Tyler Bowen who has been at
37:40
Speaker 5: Penn State? Can you bring him on with some capacity?
37:43
Speaker 5: Can you bring on Billy Fessler, Ohio State's quarterback coach,
37:46
Speaker 5: who is a hot name right now in the coaching world.
37:49
Speaker 5: Fessler played quarterback here at Penn State. Obviously never started,
37:52
Speaker 5: but he was here mid to late twenty tens, so
37:54
Speaker 5: has that connection there. Can you nab some of those
37:56
Speaker 5: guys and bring them with you?
38:00
Speaker 2: Now, No, no, you can't do that. Landon, that's my
38:04
Speaker 2: buddy Landon, former Penn State line lineman, and you know
38:09
Speaker 2: he and a lot of the Penn stats are all
38:11
Speaker 2: in on the Heartline train. I was talking to land
38:18
Speaker 2: and he asked me that question today when I was
38:19
Speaker 2: on with him, like, if they were to hire a heartline,
38:22
Speaker 2: do I think Bowen or Fessler would leave? My thought
38:25
Speaker 2: on this was and obviously they do both have Penn
38:27
Speaker 2: State Connectionsfessler went there, Bowen started his career there, and
38:35
Speaker 2: I don't think they would. And the reason I don't
38:37
Speaker 2: think so is because they're both technically first year head coaches.
38:41
Speaker 2: And I don't know this for sure because Ryan Day
38:45
Speaker 2: has never stated it. But if you remember when Erben
38:48
Speaker 2: Meyer would hire a coach, give me two years. I
38:52
Speaker 2: know you're going to get hired away. He knew they
38:54
Speaker 2: were going to get hired away, and he would say,
38:55
Speaker 2: give me two years. If after two years you want
38:59
Speaker 2: to leave, go ahead and leave. But I can't turn
39:01
Speaker 2: over my coaching staff every single year. So if you
39:04
Speaker 2: want this opportunity, I need two years. And I don't
39:08
Speaker 2: know for sure if Ryan Day has done that, but
39:10
Speaker 2: I would imagine that he is coming at these guys,
39:14
Speaker 2: these new hires, with the same attitude, and that's why
39:19
Speaker 2: I don't think either of them would consider leaving if
39:21
Speaker 2: that were the case. There are some recruits who would leave.
39:25
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that that had happened. But you
39:28
Speaker 2: know whatever, The thing about that is that job. If
39:34
Speaker 2: Brian Hartline were to leave, this is wide receiver you now,
39:38
Speaker 2: and it would attract the best wide receiver candidate in
39:41
Speaker 2: the country, and that just keeps on rolling in many
39:45
Speaker 2: ways thanks to him. So do you have a super
39:48
Speaker 2: chat I want to answer before we move any further.
39:51
Speaker 2: Alex m asks, thank you Alex appreciate you, buddy. Why
39:54
Speaker 2: does your schedule for twenty twenty nine show t ton
39:57
Speaker 2: last It's not in order, They're just jumbled up. The
40:00
Speaker 2: times aren't in order. I do always like to use
40:03
Speaker 2: that website when I get schedules, and I forget the
40:05
Speaker 2: name of it, or i'd share it with you because
40:07
Speaker 2: it has the helmet picture is real big, and it's
40:10
Speaker 2: just better for showing up for the show. But Jim Knowles,
40:15
Speaker 2: of course, came up, and Ryan Day was asked about
40:19
Speaker 2: their current relationship or Ohio State's relationship with Jim Knowles,
40:22
Speaker 2: which he basically said, now there's not a relationship. He
40:26
Speaker 2: did good when he was here and now he's gone
40:28
Speaker 2: and that's that. Also talked, as you heard in that
40:31
Speaker 2: other clip about how abrupt it was, made sure to
40:34
Speaker 2: add that in that he put him in a pretty
40:36
Speaker 2: tough spot trying to find somebody else because the hiring
40:39
Speaker 2: cycle was just about done. Now, my buddy's Tom and Tony.
40:43
Speaker 2: Yesterday on their show, they threw up a question. Now,
40:47
Speaker 2: Tony retweeted this, put a little clip on Twitter. I'm
40:50
Speaker 2: gonna plan it for you now, and Tony's question. The
40:52
Speaker 2: header to this was should Ohio State pay homage to
40:56
Speaker 2: Jim Knowles. Here's what they had to say.
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Speaker 1: That this will not happen, and I understand that this
41:03
Speaker 1: will not happen. Jim Noles should get a warm welcome
41:06
Speaker 1: in Columbus on Saturday. Like, Jim Knowles did a great
41:08
Speaker 1: job for Ohio State for three years. He turned what
41:11
Speaker 1: was an absolute flaming tire fire of a defense under
41:15
Speaker 1: Kerry Combs into a better defense, and then a better defense,
41:20
Speaker 1: and then an outstanding defense. And that was sort of
41:23
Speaker 1: what was promised based on his track record, and that
41:25
Speaker 1: was what was delivered.
41:26
Speaker 2: And it ended with.
41:27
Speaker 1: Them hoisting a championship trophy and confetti falling and everyone
41:31
Speaker 1: lived happily ever after, and then like five days later,
41:33
Speaker 1: everyone was mad at each other.
41:35
Speaker 3: And that's yeah, yes, here's the thing Jim Knowles in
41:38
Speaker 3: terms of people being angry about him. Hiers State won
41:41
Speaker 3: a national championship. They have a really good defensive coordinator.
41:46
Speaker 2: This is this.
41:48
Speaker 3: No longer exists, right, yeahs, no longer any reason to
41:51
Speaker 3: hold any harbor any l will does you no good,
41:54
Speaker 3: does him no good, He doesn't care, and it's just
41:58
Speaker 3: energy that you don't need to use news because things
42:01
Speaker 3: are pretty good as they are, So why be angry
42:04
Speaker 3: about something that's not going well at Penn State? Are
42:07
Speaker 3: you angry that he is doing so poorly at Penn State?
42:10
Speaker 3: Like about another thing you should be happy about? There's
42:13
Speaker 3: only good news for you here now.
42:17
Speaker 2: It probably won't surprise you that I disagree with my
42:19
Speaker 2: friends on this vehemently. I'm curious to know how most feel.
42:24
Speaker 2: Allow me to explain how I feel and why I
42:27
Speaker 2: feel the way I feel about Jim Knowles and why
42:29
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this game all year, not just
42:32
Speaker 2: because it don't have to State Penn State, but because
42:34
Speaker 2: of Jim Noles. And I want to start by so
42:40
Speaker 2: Nole's departure. This guy writes today in this article, Nol's
42:44
Speaker 2: departure made him a pariah in Columbus, not just because
42:49
Speaker 2: he left Ohio State, but because he chose to leave
42:53
Speaker 2: for one of the Buckeye's top Big Ten competitors, and
42:56
Speaker 2: a couple of things like I believe there's a certain
42:58
Speaker 2: way that fans of a program should act, like with
43:02
Speaker 2: a certain level of respect to other human beings that
43:06
Speaker 2: I did not see Towards the end of James Franklin's tenure,
43:09
Speaker 2: when he was walking off the field in the tunnel,
43:12
Speaker 2: and it looked like they were so mad and angry
43:15
Speaker 2: at him they wanted to throw rocks at him. Like
43:17
Speaker 2: at that point, you've just lost human decency. And I
43:20
Speaker 2: don't feel that way towards Jim Knowles, but I do
43:24
Speaker 2: believe that Jim Knowles did some things that showed me
43:26
Speaker 2: what kind of guy he is, and that kind of
43:28
Speaker 2: guy is not the kind of guy I like. And
43:32
Speaker 2: I do believe as an Ohio State fan, it's my
43:34
Speaker 2: duty to dislike Jim Knowles. That's what I believe. The
43:37
Speaker 2: hate is a feature of college football, not a bug
43:41
Speaker 2: that hates. The best part, we literally spend all year
43:44
Speaker 2: hating a single program every day. We do it because
43:47
Speaker 2: we love it, not because we have to. We don't
43:50
Speaker 2: have to hate those people. We don't have to hate
43:52
Speaker 2: their uniform, we don't have to hate their state, we
43:54
Speaker 2: don't have to call them weird names. We do it
43:56
Speaker 2: because we love it. It's the best part. I don't
43:58
Speaker 2: need all this maturity in shorts fandom maturities for the
44:01
Speaker 2: real world. This is my sports fandom. But let's talk
44:04
Speaker 2: about the real world for a second. And what this
44:06
Speaker 2: guy did man, This dude in the midst of a
44:11
Speaker 2: national championship run. Man in the midst of a national
44:15
Speaker 2: championship run. He was shopping his services to try to
44:19
Speaker 2: get himself a better offer, to come back to his
44:23
Speaker 2: employer and strong arm them for a better offer, for
44:28
Speaker 2: a better deal, for a better contract, for more money,
44:30
Speaker 2: when he literally just signed an extension for more money
44:34
Speaker 2: making him the second highest paid coordinator in the country
44:37
Speaker 2: that he was very happy to sign. A year prior,
44:42
Speaker 2: Sooner Scoop was running with this story, and they were
44:46
Speaker 2: running with this story that Jim Knowles had a fiancee
44:48
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma and because of that, he was trying to
44:51
Speaker 2: get the Sooner's coordinator job. Now this sounded ridiculous to me,
44:56
Speaker 2: So I traced this all the way back. I was
44:58
Speaker 2: kind of proud of myself. Was the first time I
45:00
Speaker 2: did like investigative journalism, and I went down rabbit holes
45:03
Speaker 2: and I found the origin of this story they were
45:06
Speaker 2: running with. And this rumor all started on a Rivals
45:09
Speaker 2: Oklahoma board by some anonymous poster, like verbatim. They had
45:14
Speaker 2: quoted this from this anonymous poster. So I did this
45:18
Speaker 2: entire show calling out this website. Sooner Scoop for pumping
45:22
Speaker 2: this story without any source, just based on rumor, and
45:26
Speaker 2: it turns out being from this anonymous rivals board. How
45:29
Speaker 2: ridiculous are these morons going to look? Well, Jim Knowles
45:33
Speaker 2: just made me look ridiculous coming out and saying that
45:36
Speaker 2: entire story was one hundred percent true while he was
45:39
Speaker 2: getting ready for a national championship at Ohio State. And yeah,
45:44
Speaker 2: I don't appreciate that one bit. Here I thought I
45:47
Speaker 2: was defending Jim Knowles's honor, because of course, you would
45:51
Speaker 2: have to be a very dishonorable guy to do something
45:53
Speaker 2: like that. At least that's the way I live. I
45:56
Speaker 2: have codes I live by. That would be a total
45:58
Speaker 2: scumbag move. Trying to backdoor your way into picking up
46:03
Speaker 2: offers on the sly when you're employed somewhere. That's just
46:08
Speaker 2: trying to prepare for national championship. That's not the way
46:09
Speaker 2: I live, That's not the way I get down. And
46:11
Speaker 2: then the Penn State rumors started, and then it became clear,
46:15
Speaker 2: and then we started to hear more and more and
46:17
Speaker 2: more it was Jim Knowles who reached out to Penn
46:20
Speaker 2: State too. Now there is a counterpoint to this and
46:26
Speaker 2: the counterpoint is, Chuck, these guys careers are short. When
46:29
Speaker 2: they finally make it, they got to leverage themselves and
46:32
Speaker 2: get as much money as they can. And these are
46:34
Speaker 2: state institutions and who cares. It's not your money. And
46:37
Speaker 2: I get all that. I get all that, but I
46:40
Speaker 2: would counter when you are in a group of eleven
46:46
Speaker 2: coaches and you have put all that work in together
46:50
Speaker 2: all together, were any other one of those eleven coaches
46:54
Speaker 2: trying to leverage their way and be divisive in the
46:59
Speaker 2: unit during the national championship run into getting themselves more money. No,
47:04
Speaker 2: none of them were. It was just him. And if
47:08
Speaker 2: you either don't know that that's a divisive move, then
47:12
Speaker 2: you're just ignorant, or if you don't care, then you're
47:15
Speaker 2: just a jackass one way or the other. I can't
47:18
Speaker 2: stand this guy man. Not the way I get down,
47:20
Speaker 2: not the way I roll. Then on top of it,
47:23
Speaker 2: he left the Penn State. Then on top of that,
47:27
Speaker 2: he had his girlfriend or his sister leaking stories and
47:32
Speaker 2: doing a sit down interview with CBS saying that the
47:35
Speaker 2: head coach was breathing down his neck and he couldn't
47:37
Speaker 2: work in these circumstances like this guy threw down the gauntlet. Man,
47:43
Speaker 2: he threw down the gauntlet. So no, it's probably true
47:47
Speaker 2: he doesn't care that we hate him. But like I said,
47:50
Speaker 2: the hate is a feature.