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The Entity - Doris Bithers Encounter · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to get weird, it's got some not, not kid friendly parts, so keep that mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrongly enough, I go from a funny episode to a hybrid serious episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to heavy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this story actually had a book and a movie made about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of relatively well known.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently, apparently the movie was
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm going to go away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's the real life experiences of Doris Bitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to call our Bitter takes place in Clover City, California in 1974.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A paranormal investigation went underway and an attempt to figure out exactly what was going
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Doris Beather, she was a mother of four and living in our pretty freaking small house in Culver City, California.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Be would begin to suffer from a series of attacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: By which she claimed were a game of ghosts.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Doris had a bit of a rough past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: which is kind of alarming on many different levels.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She had a string of abusive relationships that would leave an impact on her and drive her to find solace and alcohol.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the other episodes that we've done, can't remember exactly what we called it, but the woman was, she's being attacked by a demon, and she had
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[SPEAKER_02]: pretty rough relationships and multiple relationships with no one actually staying to be with her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say it did sound familiar like something we had talked about in a past episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which kind of linge you to the question is, does this past trauma make you more susceptible to whatever these beings are?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, unfortunately, she finds solace in alcohol and from what I understand most likely drugs as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is never, if you're in that type of distress, it's never the right answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, obviously try to find some type of help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But as you can imagine, this would put a strain on her relationship with her children.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, she was a mother of four.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She had a girl who was six.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and three boys, ageing at 10 13 and 16.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Her rough relationship record and trying to raise four kids by herself wasn't her only problems.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Doris was experiencing paranormal activity at their small home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oddly enough, when she moved into the home on 11, 547 Braddock Drive, he would receive the warning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: ends up coming up to the house, knock it on the door, door opens it and the little Mexican lady says, you need to get out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I used to live here in this old house back when it was a farm and I was a little girl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is something very evil here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This place is haunted and you need to get out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's that's unfortunate right off the
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna, I'm gonna ask, but you kind of answered it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, if the paranormal things that we're going on was geographically specific or if it had been going on before they moved into this house, but kind of kind of nailed it there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it'll also see that gets muddy too, because there are things that happen in the story that clearly suggest it's definitely not the house, it's her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, it's really fucking weird to things that happen, which makes you wonder if whatever the evil thing at the house originally could have latched on to her, being that she was like emotionally susceptible, you know, from the trauma.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a, that is a, a possibility, definitely a possibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the other, was it stardust?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ranch where the guy came up and warned him or was that yeah, yeah, he was he was yeah, he was the monster killer that that is the worse start to moving into a new home Oh, 100% having Someone that has previously lived there or a neighbor come up and be like This ain't gonna be good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a bad place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to rethink this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would be nice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's interesting the way this story goes
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Brian Harris, he would later come forward and tell us about how his mother had messed around with a Weegee board and held San Francisco in her early years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Only to later get back into it after all of her hardships.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she had all this emotional baggage, plus mixing in the drugs and alcohol, and then on top
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[SPEAKER_02]: in what they believe is a possibility to try to receive some insight, some guidance in her life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which as we we've talked about many times before, using those types of items and having an intent buried in you with that type of negativity is probably not going to give the greatest results.
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[SPEAKER_00]: know, I feel like when you're susceptible to those kind of things, it's almost like an unknowing invitation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, just to the not good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because that's definitely what shows up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and he's a free day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he was to say very dark things begin to manifest
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just said, she's having these experiences.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one day, if he happens to go into a bookstore and she hears the stories kind of conflicted here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of two ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She either hears two men speaking about the paranormal or it's a presentation in the bookstore by these two people about the paranormal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Regardless though, these two men are talking
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, hey, I've got the paranormal shit going on at home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, yep, my house is haunted.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the two men before getting further, the two men that she was listening to were a doctor, Barry Taff,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so she tells Carrie a little about what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's he's like, all right, well, I'll speak with my associate and we'll get back to you and kind of see how we want to proceed with this if we want to proceed with this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they weren't exactly sold on her story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the beginning, until she brings up a detail about how she was being, I'll use the word violated by the spirits and Google that peaks their interest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when I went to the Wikipedia of the entity, that was the first thing that showed up,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's, and it's like, it's, it's wild because you can, you could make a lot of assumptions already.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the fact that she is a substance abuser really dark past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could think that maybe her mental psyche is breaking all types of shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's all types of plausible things you could you could pile on of this woman shoulders.
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[SPEAKER_02]: However, there are some details that are going to be revealed that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A and A be the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Dr. Barry Taff was actually a Paris psychologist working out of the University of California.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He did a preliminary interview with Doris about the situation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: While doing this, he found out she had a history of physical and substance abuse alongside a very traumatic childhood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So poor Doris, her life just,
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[SPEAKER_02]: wasn't she didn't have the best deck of cards, you know, it was it was referer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now Barry reports, they were living illegally in a condemned home that was in severe despair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: With all that being said,
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[SPEAKER_02]: his buddy, Carrie, believed they pretty will have this figured out, and then I was going to be an open and shut case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So once again, I'm assuming that these men are going in the situation thinking, this woman's got a bunch of baggage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no paranormal shit going on here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's all inside her head.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So both, both men arrived at the house.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were greeted by misdores as they entered the home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They instantly noticed how horrible the living conditions were.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They said it smelled like riding garbage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dishes were piled high.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was just filth in every way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They also noted how they picked up on the relationship between doors and the boys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That relationship was very full of turmoil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Taf noted that the house itself had been condemned twice by the city.
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[SPEAKER_02]: While on this first visit, though, he noted that they had a feeling of overpressure in their ears when they were inside the home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Taf noted that Doris suffered abuse from her parents alongside her relationships.
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[SPEAKER_02]: While there was obvious tension between the boys and her, a psychodynamics of the home were extremely negative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: super dark and resentful feelings towards his mother.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All this may be a calling for all of the negative activities going on in the home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So this does one of two things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It either attracts the poltergeist in this case, or he claims the mind creates it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is kind of bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Dors had approached the men of the bookstore about the home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then when they get there, she becomes, they, they said she became very uncooperative with them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, listen, buck this, get, so they, so they leave, only to shortly later on, he calls them again and is like, listen, things have gotten way out of the control, I need help now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said she would be physically attacked by the spirits and even violated by them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Half and Gainer were extremely skeptical of the claims, saying that like getting evidence of a ghost is extremely hard on its own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not going to be easy to prove that was all said and done until they witnessed bruises on her inner thighs and all over her body.
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[SPEAKER_02]: People outside of the family would even come forward cooperating the claims.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Gores claimed that these ghostly figures were actually Asian men.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is according to Barry Daph.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or at least appear it as such.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I also found accounts where they are described as humanoid and foggy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this kind of, a lot of this, especially when I'm highlighting Barry,
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to kind of revisit that in the end, so don't get too vested in in this synopsis of the story, because there's a piece of evidence that comes out in the end, that kind of clears a lot of this shit up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they said while their shapes could be seen, they couldn't usually make out facial features.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of these spirits in the home was so frequently seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that the children actually gave it a name.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They called it Mr. Who's it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's creepy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as I'm digging around, most claimed that there were four entities in the home.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One was that of an old man, which is the one that they called Mr. Who's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently this thing, according to some people, was actually the deceased grandfather of the children.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had recently died, the sentity matched his description.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now while she claims are while the claims of violation were one of the more standout things about the case door said that the way it would go down is that two of the smaller entities would hold her down while the larger of the bunch
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[SPEAKER_02]: would do the violating, the eldest son would admit to seeing his mother being tossed around the room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And on one occasion, as he's witnessing this, his mom being beat up and thrown
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it interacts with, not just her, everyone, everyone in the home ends up being attacked by these spirits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, these three, these three evil entities in the home would often attack everyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The children were report how they, they were often pushed and thrown around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once again, the children and people outside the family actually witnessed doors being punched and slapped thrown against the wall and held there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Doris also would often shows injuries of violation victims.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's heartbreaking.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now the investigation itself would end up going on for almost three months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Barry and Carrie here, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, whatever is fucking nameless.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They do, they hired and brought in photographers, other paranormal investigators, a whole line of people to help with this case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I found an account of when, now this kind of goes circles back to when they first supposedly when they first got there, are one of the first encounters where they went to the home initially,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It said that when the men got there, they, it might have been the over pressured feeling I mentioned earlier, but they, they noticed how the house had this, this oppressive feeling to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when the men first got there, as they're walking through the home, they said the lights began to flicker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as the lights were flickering, they had a Polaroid camera perfectly work in the old nine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They start trying to take pictures around the house, this Polaroid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And none of the photos that come out of that camera develop, they just stay black.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So on a hunch, the men are like, hey, doors, would you mind stepping outside for us?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was very kind of taken back by that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't understand what they were doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so she goes outside.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as she goes outside, they instantly notice that over pressure, that oppressive feeling is gone, feet, they start taking pictures with the camera again, camera works.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they're like, okay, well,
26:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe these things are tied to her that's interesting.
27:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
27:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It almost up to this point.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It almost feels like the perfect storm for some sort of parasitic entity.
27:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
27:21
[SPEAKER_00]: You know,
27:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, dabbled in the paranormal and the occult a little bit before moving into a house that already has a reputation for having negative entities.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: She moves in there, things start going awry.
27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: She turns to the occult even more to try to find answers, you know, try to try to like,
27:55
[SPEAKER_00]: better her situation, whatever it may be, kind of opening that doorway.
28:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Also the conditions of the house I feel like just add to the emotional and like spiritual degradation that she's going through.
28:15
[SPEAKER_00]: because like the whole house is in a ray, her relationship with their children's and in disarray.
28:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's almost like everything is conglomerating to make her like the perfect target.
28:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I absolutely agree.
28:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's heartbreaking to hear and visualize.
28:41
[SPEAKER_02]: everything that happened to this woman, you know, because like you said, every everything's mounted against her, you know, you, you almost know firsthand, so you've not not to such degree, but how hard it is for a single parent.
28:56
[SPEAKER_02]: That in itself, fucking hard.
28:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?
29:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have a single woman trying to raise four kids by herself and this little rinky pink ass home.
29:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I, I saw a picture of her.
29:07
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like it's a
29:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Super small, home.
29:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she has her childhood, the relationships, the substance abuse, dealing with the like trying, which you're going into that with all that trauma and then you're desperate for answers.
29:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're serious.
29:31
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just ripe for manipulations.
29:34
[SPEAKER_00]: A beacon of light out there just anybody who wants to come on.
29:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everything is stacked against this poor woman.
29:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible.
29:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And here here here is something else to add on top of that, and it's ironic that we kind of come to this this talking conclusion here because one of the the more famous accounts of this this encounter and this investigation.
30:02
[SPEAKER_02]: So all the investigators on the on the
30:13
[SPEAKER_02]: 30 people there in this house and they all, they all go into this super tiny bedroom, all of them.
30:24
[SPEAKER_02]: And Barry and his sidekick are like, hey, you know, we got an idea.
30:44
[SPEAKER_02]: you provoke the entities into manifesting.
30:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I'm extremely torn about because on one hand, you're trying to validate her claim.
30:56
[SPEAKER_02]: But on the other hand, I feel like you're completely pushing aside her mental health and well-being alongside the mental health and well-being of the children.
31:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can get a one-up in the paranormal field.
31:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I play that's a shitty play yeah and the more I got on a lot about him paranormal investigation but the further we kind of get into it the more people are starting to kind of lean away from the whole provoking aspect really yeah I've been
31:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it's a smart play.
31:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, coming in hostile, coming in hot, I don't, I just feel like it probably gives off the wrong vibes, you know, even if what you're dealing with isn't, isn't benevolent, coming in hot like that, probably ain't the best route.
32:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought with that, I think I think everything deserves a certain amount
32:14
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, me coming into your home and being like, listen here, bitch.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
32:19
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm saying, like, nobody's gonna accept that.
32:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, essentially, like, paranormal investigation and trying to communicate with somebody is like a cold call, like your cold calling someone.
32:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And immediately when they pick up, you're like, let's fight.
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, right?
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
32:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
32:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Who are you?
32:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:36
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not gonna take, you're not gonna take too well to it.
32:40
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, like I said, about 30 people are crowning this fucking room.
32:44
[SPEAKER_02]: They convince her to start taught and she does.
32:49
[SPEAKER_02]: She starts yelling at the spirits, swearing at them, you know, just trying everything she can to get them rolled up.
32:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And as she's doing this, a greenish mist starts to manifest in the corner of the room.
33:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And it starts to kind of coil
33:11
[SPEAKER_02]: It forms a man's upper torso.
33:15
[SPEAKER_02]: They all clear, clear as they see this.
33:18
[SPEAKER_02]: They said it was very large with a lot of muscles.
33:23
[SPEAKER_02]: They said from what they saw was definitely a male figure, even though they're unable to see the face.
33:32
[SPEAKER_02]: And because of this situation, one of the investigators actually faints.
33:39
[SPEAKER_02]: like they're just scared shit.
33:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
33:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I love them out.
33:43
[SPEAKER_00]: They go in there and they're like, hey, let's try pissing it off.
33:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
33:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they piss it off and they do like, come out.
33:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, with all of the cameras in the room, they do catch some weird anomalies, but none of them are significant.
34:05
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a weird picture.
34:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you look her up, it's one of the, and actually I think I'm gonna make it the show art or the episode.
34:15
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's like a picture of this weird arching light over top of her, and they say it's weird because it's not anything being produced in the room because if it was, it would bend with the corner of the room, it would, you know, how light would hit the corner,
34:35
[SPEAKER_02]: But they said they also caught like weird or binomalies and shit like that.
34:40
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's nothing as significant as seeing a torso manifestation and green missed.
34:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Tathals go ahead.
34:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it kind of goes hand in hand with like,
34:55
[SPEAKER_00]: other paranormal accounts of entities and the phenomena affecting equipment, you know, like when the camera essentially overexposed or under-exposed when she was in the house and then it worked fine, it makes sense, unfortunately, that kind of moves into this aspect or this point
35:24
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... dr. taff also reported the spirits must not have enjoyed metal very much the note to sell steve if we ever want to piss spirit off to play some good tunes to get the party started but the sun actually told dr. taff that the spirits would intensify when he played certain music like black Sabbath
35:55
[SPEAKER_02]: The songs that would set it off were about double worship, while playing, while playing the music Dr. Taff noticed that the lights and orbs did in fact increase.
36:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Keep in mind that statement that I just read to you is coming from Dr. Taff in his reports.
36:14
[SPEAKER_02]: What I have later on contradicts it a little bit.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
36:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, interjecting, but I just looked up that photo of the light anomaly, the arc overhead.
36:26
[SPEAKER_00]: That is weird.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Weird, right?
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It's strange.
36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Strange.
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and that'd be the little bedroom that they were all crammed in.
36:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it's it's it is definitely a weird light anomaly.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially in a in a time where.
36:43
[SPEAKER_02]: photographic evidence wasn't digital essentially more physical media so to speak that it's strange it is like I said the investigation goes on for about two to the three months and we're going to work from there we're going to because that was that's kind of like the
37:10
[SPEAKER_02]: a little bit of the majority of the story, but I found a different angle.
37:15
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to transition and I actually found an interview that ghost theory magazine was able to actually score and they actually scored it with her son.
37:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So one of the, one of the boys that were there,
37:38
[SPEAKER_02]: and they did this interview in 2009.
37:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not that old.
37:46
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
37:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Brian said that the overall feeling in the home was that of isolation.
37:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though it was an extremely small home, everyone always kind of kept it themselves and kept their distance so it felt like you're isolated at all times.
38:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian said that Dr. Taff actually lied about the home being twice condemned.
38:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He said it was never never condemned.
38:14
[SPEAKER_02]: He said the entire neighborhood would come by and tell them that this place was haunted.
38:20
[SPEAKER_02]: People would actually go as far as to look in through the windows constantly trying to see inside the haunted house.
38:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So that adds more to the negative lifestyle of the family.
38:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what I was just going to say.
38:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if even if they did somehow managed to get a lid on it inside the house, you still have literally everyone outside of the house feeding energy into whatever's inside of the house.
38:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
39:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So you essentially have a whole community that's just feeding this thing.
39:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
39:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's just one poor family is just taking the hammer.
39:11
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's getting hammered by that's what I was going to say.
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, how different may their lives have been if they just would have like chosen a different rental property, chosen a different apartment.
39:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, because they were rough off just just the human predators had already taken a toll on this family now they've got
39:33
[SPEAKER_02]: the paranormal predators also just covenant and just blame which is yeah is it's is terrible now apparently doors had been running the home and unfortunately finally the city actually repossessed it so then you can dimmed she just couldn't pay the bills they took it they didn't have selling it to the next door neighbor who actually ended up selling it
40:03
[SPEAKER_02]: after he had heard what was going on inside the home.
40:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But he heard door's story and goes, he, yeah, fuck that.
40:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm selling this.
40:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So they asked, they asked the big question.
40:18
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the Brian, the son.
40:20
[SPEAKER_02]: What's up with all the claims?
40:22
[SPEAKER_02]: And they said, like there's a phone interview and they said when they asked that question, he just gave this long drawn-out side
40:33
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you want to know?
40:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all true and Brian asked if the interviewer had seen the movie and the interviewer was like, no, I actually haven't seen it.
40:47
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you know, the movie did a pretty decent job.
40:49
[SPEAKER_02]: It added a few things that weren't true, but Brian was then asked about the attacks.
40:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is what he had to say about the attacks is a quote from ghost theory magazine and their interview and he said, well, everything about what was reported was true.
41:09
[SPEAKER_02]: It did happen.
41:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Living in that home was hell.
41:14
[SPEAKER_02]: We all experienced some form of attack.
41:17
[SPEAKER_02]: There was the pushing, biting, and scratching being done to us.
41:22
[SPEAKER_02]: There were about four entities in the home and they made themselves known by appearing all the time.
41:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it took a lot of energy for them to do that.
41:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian said that he suffered the least from the spirits.
41:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He believes that the rest of the family got it worse because of their negative attitudes and overall fear of the situation.
41:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And what's odd is he was asked to describe the entities, and he never once claimed it was a grandparent.
41:54
[SPEAKER_02]: He said that the four of them would show up whenever they wanted, and it was also like a human figure, but translucent and foggy.
42:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I thought he said, I think that may have been wrong.
42:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he does say that one of them is a grandparent, so I think I think he may have gotten that wrong.
42:16
[SPEAKER_00]: But that made me, when you said it earlier, it popped a question in my head that I didn't read like reiterate because I know you won't have the answer to it, but you would think that if the children were seeing a grandparent, they would refer to it as the grandparent.
42:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you like Mr. Who's it?
42:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think he does because I think
42:40
[SPEAKER_02]: when he specifically asked about Mr. Who's it?
42:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And it being a grandparent.
42:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he, he does end up saying that it was his grandparent.
42:49
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, well, how do you know that?
42:51
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, because it told me.
42:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because in my brain, a kid would be like, yeah, that's a grandpa.
42:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, let's come up with some weird name for it.
43:02
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, fact that it, like, told them is very manipulative.
43:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
43:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
43:09
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get to that because I do specifically remember that part.
43:14
[SPEAKER_02]: But when he was asked about the, he, he was asked about the description of the figures.
43:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what did you see when they would manifest?
43:23
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, this is another quote, it was like a sculpture.
43:28
[SPEAKER_02]: It had a chiseled body.
43:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a full figure, but at times we can see some of it, the musculature.
43:36
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, it's funny, the whole incident about them being Asian.
43:40
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not true.
43:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where they're referring to Taff and Gainer, so the two guys, the investigators.
43:49
[SPEAKER_02]: The investigators, he's like, I don't know where they got that idea from.
43:53
[SPEAKER_02]: They did not have Asian features at all.
43:55
[SPEAKER_02]: They did not look Asian.
43:59
[SPEAKER_02]: So with that claim, me cleared up.
44:01
[SPEAKER_02]: It's safe to say that it's possible that Dr. Taff, for whatever reason added to very odd details to this case.
44:11
[SPEAKER_00]: That is weird.
44:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know why, other than maybe he's trying to muddy the water.
44:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Which what would, because he did, he did work at a, it was called a Paris psychology at the Ecology and California.
44:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what would be the benefit of doing that, though?
44:31
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I can think of is smearing.
44:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they went in and experienced things that were real and not saying this is the case.
44:40
[SPEAKER_02]: We've heard more than enough stories where essentially the CIA has home bases at colleges where they run experiments and shit like this.
44:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So what if he was somehow linked to that, and they came in looking for evidence, found it, and they're like, yeah, we gotta make this, we gotta discredit this, we can't be able, we can't have people knowing this shit.
45:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's about the only thing that makes sense.
45:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so why the fuck would you just randomly go the other Asian?
45:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
45:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't, he said that she said that they were, she described them as Asian.
45:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what Dr. Tath said.
45:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is fucking fun.
45:34
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's directly putting words and dorses mouth.
45:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some weird narrative there.
45:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
45:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, Brian Harris said at times it would be annoying.
45:46
[SPEAKER_02]: We would be watching television and these things would walk by like nothing.
45:51
[SPEAKER_02]: We were so used to the poltergeist that we just got to a point where we wouldn't even care.
45:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is, I think I just wrote, had a couple series of quotes here from him that stood out.
46:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Another one.
46:05
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole violation thing was real.
46:10
[SPEAKER_02]: My room was right next door to my mother's.
46:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I would hear the attacks happening.
46:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh God, that's terrible.
46:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Things being thrown, her screaming, then she would come out of the bedroom and have all these bruises on her legs, energize just like what happened in the movie.
46:29
[SPEAKER_02]: There were times where we would see it happen in front of us.
46:32
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like if a man was standing in front of my mother and would start to beat her.
46:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine a woman being beaten, you could see her being picked up and thrown around.
46:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds, slaps, but there was no one there to actually do it.
46:47
[SPEAKER_02]: We all felt it too, pulling, biting and scratching.
46:50
[SPEAKER_02]: We were all attacked.
46:53
[SPEAKER_02]: The interviewer said that Brian said, at times the foggy apparitions would become clear and detailed, he could see some facial features at times, asking Brian how he dealt with that as a child, and Brian said, and I quote, well, it was hell.
47:09
[SPEAKER_02]: There I was barely out of elementary school, trying to carry on an ignored all.
47:14
[SPEAKER_02]: and there was so much commotion going on.
47:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Between Barry's team of 30 or so people crammed into a small and I mean small room, cheering and yelling at this thing.
47:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in the next room trying to watch television, trying to mind my own business.
47:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Terrible.
47:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
47:36
[SPEAKER_02]: He also said the whole investigation lasted about two or three months, but it wasn't like Barry was there every single day.
47:43
[SPEAKER_02]: So over him to say that this could have been some sort of telekinetic thing that my mother was creating his bullshit.
47:50
[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't want to have this happen.
47:52
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a possibility, but it's not like he knew what was really going on though.
48:00
[SPEAKER_02]: He was not an uncle Bob that knew the family.
48:03
[SPEAKER_02]: He was only there for three months.
48:05
[SPEAKER_02]: And from that, he would show up every Thursday or so.
48:09
[SPEAKER_02]: When the team would show up, I hated it because I knew as soon as they left, they would become so angry that the house would literally become alive.
48:20
[SPEAKER_02]: It was as if the ghosts were upset that we went and told, like they were throwing a temper tantrum, a hissy fit.
48:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So things would start flying, we would get attacked.
48:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So every time that team would come over, it just provokes spirits and just make it wretched form.
48:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the interview asked Brian if the drinking could have made it worse and also asked about the theory that she was telekinetic
48:50
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, and I quote, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reason you have to understand my mother was drinking heavily because of what was going on.
49:00
[SPEAKER_02]: If you wanted to escape, if she drank, bear reported that he was always drunk.
49:06
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not true.
49:08
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I wish I could talk to him in person.
49:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a few things I want to clear out.
49:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's definitely not happy with his mom, his name is what he's going to do.
49:16
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.
49:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.
49:19
[SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely not happy with what Barry has put out there for the public to consume.
49:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It was almost sensationalizing it by demonizing his mother.
49:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
49:32
[SPEAKER_02]: He put all of the blame under her.
49:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's.
49:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it just, it just kept trauma compacting on itself because they would come over and provoke it and then it would get worse.
49:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So then as it would get worse, I'm sure they took it out on her.
49:52
[SPEAKER_00]: tinfold, which made the investigators want to come back and try to get more evidence, which would make it worse, and then it would come back, and then it would just keep on and then think about it too, when you go down that road, think about her having to see it happen to her kids.
50:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then she would, she would try to drink to, to, to put it away, you know, and it was just doesn't know what else to do.
50:13
[SPEAKER_02]: How the fuck do you fight that so bad.
50:22
[SPEAKER_02]: We did fight a lot, my older brother was mean to us, so there was a lot of tension.
50:27
[SPEAKER_02]: My mother's boyfriend at the time left because he could not handle it.
50:31
[SPEAKER_02]: The poltergeist and the tension, which was a good thing he was a bastard.
50:36
[SPEAKER_02]: The telekinesis theory is possible.
50:39
[SPEAKER_02]: There were so much tension and negative energy.
50:41
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to remember that it could have been also amplified by Barry's team.
50:47
[SPEAKER_02]: There were at times 20 or 30 people in a room, yelling at this thing, trying to make it come out.
50:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Camera equipment lights the whole nine.
50:57
[SPEAKER_02]: The collective energy could have made it worse.
51:02
[SPEAKER_00]: especially coming in there trying to provoke it.
51:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That's nothing but negative, you know, volatile energy you're putting into this thing.
51:11
[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
51:11
[SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
51:13
[SPEAKER_02]: And not the mention.
51:14
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, obviously it's not a good thing that's lurking around.
51:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian got asked about Mr. Who's it and how he knew it was as grandfather.
51:25
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he knew this because it was
51:27
[SPEAKER_02]: actually told him that's who it was.
51:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's weird.
51:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
51:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.
51:35
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like Brian is actually pretty cool because he actually ends up getting asked about the metal music and this is his quote on this.
51:45
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, that's all bullshit.
51:49
[SPEAKER_02]: We never listened to satanic music.
51:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It was black Sabbath and you write he
51:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Any kid that grew up in the 70s in a listen to rock, that is what they listened to.
51:59
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the cool thing to do.
52:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Although we did notice that when we would play certain songs, the spirits would become agitated.
52:07
[SPEAKER_02]: There is the song in the Uri heap album called Demons and Wizards.
52:12
[SPEAKER_02]: That talks about good versus evil.
52:15
[SPEAKER_02]: It's basically about the devil getting his ass kicked.
52:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Every time we would play that, the spirits would become agitated.
52:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
52:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'm like, that's, that's what's up.
52:28
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what's up.
52:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So from there, Doris claimed that as the family moved from home to home, the hauntings did follow them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Although Brian said as, as they did move, it did follow it, but it wasn't ever as bad as it was in that place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, Doris passed away at the age of 58
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was never actually determined what caused the failure, which I see that going of course two ways.
53:04
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll have a camp of paranormal means and a camp of people who was suggestive due to substance abuse.
53:11
[SPEAKER_02]: And in my opinion, both are probable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not to mention, you could also suggest that due to the oppression she was under, the substance abuse was a result of that causing her to pass away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: have probably a combination of everything that she had going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
53:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Now Dr. Taff and his dumb ass sidekick, be in a suggest that her subconscious mind was able to generate enough energy to produce these paranormal results.
53:46
[SPEAKER_02]: So even though these
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to come in with some bullshit like this, and almost just feels like a smear campaign.
54:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he literally says, it's far more likely this was able to happen than an actual evil intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which I don't buy because her unfortunately, unfortunately, her story of trauma and having life just kind of pile on her entire life is not a one off, you know, no, there are
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[SPEAKER_00]: that are going through similar things that do not get attacked by evil spirits agreed like him agreed him saying that it was part like her psyche creating this
54:59
[SPEAKER_00]: it feels like an agenda feels like a smear campaign.
55:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like I'm curious as to who purchased the house after the neighbor.
55:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be interesting to see if it somehow links back and ties in to him, the entity he works for, the college.
55:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I went around adversity,
55:21
[SPEAKER_00]: They may have been picking up on things where they're like, no, no, don't worry about that.
55:25
[SPEAKER_00]: The house is haunted.
55:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's nothing there was all.
55:29
[SPEAKER_00]: It was all her, it was all her emotional disability, her, you know, it all stemmed from her.
55:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they go in, they're like, some's fucked up about this place.
55:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's also, I mean, I do think I'm with you.
55:48
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a smear campaign and there were some, there was, there was some, to me, obvious agenda behind it.
55:53
[SPEAKER_02]: What that agenda is, I don't know.
55:55
[SPEAKER_02]: They, I feel like they definitely had something they were trying to bury, but I also find it funny that whenever these typical professionals show up to these places, they always find a way
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[SPEAKER_00]: do because how how in the fuck are you gonna come to the singles mother single mother's home that has relatively young children oldest being 16 still a child regardless and come in there four months you know every week multiple times every week cause absolute chaos just go in there screaming provoking trying to get a rise out of whatever this thing is
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[SPEAKER_00]: their home life was so bad.
56:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It was probably just all in her head.
56:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and not to mention they all they all they all fucking saw it.
56:49
[SPEAKER_02]: They all first hand saw your home boy, whichever one it was fainted because he saw it.
56:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Get out of here.
56:58
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dork.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
57:03
[SPEAKER_02]: And then to end
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[SPEAKER_02]: that I've claimed that doors and family are psychic, they have psychic abilities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Brian seems to think that that is a possibility, that they all do have these subtle psychic abilities, and that also is what aided them into becoming targets on top of the negative energy that family had gone through and was also putting out of the time
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[SPEAKER_02]: at each other's throat.
57:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So to speak.
57:45
[SPEAKER_02]: So it could be, it could be that they were all sensitive to begin with and then just life's unfortunate.
57:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, you said it great earlier, how just all kind of compacts on top of each other, just compacting and creating this, this perfect
58:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It really opens a lot of terrible scenarios, thinking about the phenomena in this light.
58:21
[SPEAKER_00]: On one hand, what are the chances?
58:29
[SPEAKER_00]: how terrible would it be to move into a geographic location that's full of spirits that are sexual deviance?
58:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's suck.
58:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the other hand, if these things weren't spirits, say it was some sort of time slip manipulation they moved into or say it was some sort of time travel manipulation that these entities,
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[SPEAKER_00]: have honed in on and are now able to use that as a conduit for their, you know, sexual deviantness.
59:07
[SPEAKER_00]: That's terrifying.
59:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
59:10
[SPEAKER_00]: They can just manifest themselves into this woman's room whenever they feel like it.
59:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That sucks.
59:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck yeah, it does.
59:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it sucks too because like
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[SPEAKER_02]: As we all sit in, because we all would sit and say to the exact same thing, all of us, leave, leave, move somewhere else.
59:35
[SPEAKER_02]: But she already had it.
59:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And we all know that we all can't do that.
59:42
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
59:43
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like, and I'm not trying to like pour salt in the moon, but I feel like that woman had so many hard
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[SPEAKER_02]: four.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like that's everybody's answer like just just leave.
1:00:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if it were that easy, don't you think she probably would have done that like the first go around getting the fucking attack?
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like, I'm gonna get that out of here.
1:00:11
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm supposed to stay here and see what happens.
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work like that.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just, I feel like that's outside of the box syndrome, you know.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I look at it and you're like, you have all these easy solutions that you would do until you're in that scenario.
1:00:29
[SPEAKER_00]: In her shoes and you realize, oh shit, she didn't have any options.
1:00:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the thing that got her up there was like not being able to live there anymore, you know, like, yeah, they just took it.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is probably the best thing that could happen.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:00:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and it's just, I don't know, to suggest that, oh man, I don't know.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of lost my train of thought there, but I just, it's a terrible, terrible situation for them in the family.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, it's just not something that, like when I was looking into it, that's not the road I expected it to go down.
1:01:14
[SPEAKER_02]: which is kind of kind of one of the outlandish ones, but she even claimed that she and that we had in pregnant from the spirit.
1:01:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's fucking wild.
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_02]: And Brian or son was kind of impartial to it.
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, he's like, maybe, but she also got around
1:01:44
[SPEAKER_00]: because I was going to ask that if after these assaults happened, if there was ever any kind of any like medical investigation, any kind of like attempt to get any DNA maybe or something
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Like simple things like that that you would think would be done.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_02]: We taught priority.
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_00]: But just never we also in in the mindset like nobody's going to fucking believe me.
1:02:28
[SPEAKER_00]: You know.
1:02:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Same with like alien abduction cases where people have been, you know, victims of this type of violation.
1:02:37
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be like nobody believe, nobody's going to believe me.
1:02:40
[SPEAKER_00]: If I go to the ER and say I was just assaulted by a ghost, they're going to put me in a
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I got four kids that are going to go have to go to foster care, or some shit, you know, like, I'm sure because even if you went in, you know, even if you went in and was like, hey, I just kind of salted, can you please do a salt kid on me.
1:03:07
[SPEAKER_02]: You're still going, you're, I would assume you're most likely to have to file, please report.
1:03:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I imagine so.
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:03:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like what what do you do from that point.
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Because then you get in trouble for lying.
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:03:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Essentially hosted this like yeah.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_00]: What a terrible.
1:03:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a terrible situation period, but to be put in and then not have anywhere to turn.
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're also seeing it attack your children.
1:03:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the people that you think would help you, the people that you go to, the paranormal investigators, you think could possibly get to the bottom and help you instead paint you like you're crazy.
1:03:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Like paint you like this was all part of your psychosis.
1:03:54
[SPEAKER_00]: This didn't happen.
1:03:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what I lost my trade of thought on earlier was that, you know, and then these, these assholes come in and they're like, you know, it's this is a twofold.
1:04:07
[SPEAKER_02]: A we're going to blame it on the fact that you're psychokinetic or whatever, and you're creating these things.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
1:04:14
[SPEAKER_02]: A that's crazy because now, okay, so you're just missing the paranormal, but you're.
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_02]: You are acknowledging the fact that people can be psychokinetic or whatever and just write a manifest shit.
1:04:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost like a, that's crazy.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a touch.
1:04:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's equally as crazy as Evelyn's intelligence, committing these atrocities.
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_02]: On top of all that, you're going to make those claims whenever neighbors and her children and you guys have witnessed this shit.
1:04:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the bad stuff is still going to make those claims the bad stuff was happening before the family moved in yeah.
1:05:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just they're like, man.
1:05:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
1:05:05
[SPEAKER_00]: They're brain.
1:05:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably happen in our brain.
1:05:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_00]: What else?
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_00]: What's in the way her son described is they did did more harm than good.
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They would come in there kicked the fucking hornet's nest and then leave for a week.
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let them fall out let a single mother with four kids try to try to sort out the demons Yeah, and then once they get it cooled down, they're like, you know, let's go back in and give her no little shake See what happened and then they do nothing but smear and Amy know, she's a drunk and This sat in the other and I don't know it just it's disappointing 100% that's the ability to be honest with you.
1:05:47
[SPEAKER_02]: She died kind of young
1:05:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 58's not that old.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_00]: They had the ability to do something good at the very least help validate what she was experiencing.
1:06:01
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can't expect them to go in there and like get rid of the problem, but they could at least validate that what she was going through was real.
1:06:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was actually happening.
1:06:13
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, to that point, I like,
1:06:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that like financially we would we are not in a position to do this, but like, how do you go into that situation, see what you've seen, hear her side of the story and see, the actual bruises on her inner thighs and all this stuff.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you just like, not pack up in a walk away from that?
1:06:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't do a whole lot, but I'll get you a hotel room for a week.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:06:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Start it out.
1:06:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Get the fuck out of here.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's different times now, but it started to go fun, me started to start some sort of something to where, like, there's not a lot of variables we can change in this scenario, but this place is a variable that we can change in this scenario if we get enough people behind us, you know?
1:07:10
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just, it's just crazy that there are people out there that can just turn that shit off and walk the fuck away.
1:07:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like the two dorks at the head of the investigation were in it to try to make a name for themselves, which I love.
1:07:27
[SPEAKER_02]: 100% of them.
1:07:27
[SPEAKER_00]: How much they were behind the book in the movie deal?
1:07:33
[SPEAKER_00]: How much they got out of that as opposed to the family?
1:07:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they got shit.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm true.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they got it all in the family got delusquat.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be an interesting thing to look at too because it feels like they're just trying to trying to get some some sort of, you know, something under their resume, you know, like this crazy paranormal case was happening in our town and we went in and we debunked it.
1:07:59
[SPEAKER_00]: We figured out that it was all in her head.
1:08:02
[SPEAKER_00]: She was manifesting all of this.
1:08:06
[SPEAKER_00]: what a travesty it was it is that sucked Kyle I know I know I found not the episode but the way they handled it sucked oh yeah their assholes they were fucking dorks they're they're one of those people they just deserved be smacked in mouth yeah like I said you had the ability at the very least to help validate where she was going through and instead you just
1:08:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Did wrong collected collected evidence and then less than there to rock.
1:08:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Stirred shit up and then just said, and see you Good luck Damn, all right, sorry about you Man, it's a bummer It is a fucking bummer.
1:08:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll hollow cold
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how we're starting your money.
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
1:09:05
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It should at the very least be a lesson.
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you are a paranormal investigator, if you have the ability to
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_00]: help someone that is in need of something that they can cannot control and they're looking for answers for just understand that you hold a lot of power in your hands with someone coming to you with their encounters.
1:09:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They are interesting you with something that not a lot of people get.
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_00]: that this is an example of why the Paranormal is still taboo.
1:09:45
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an example of why people keep their encounters tucked away, deep in their psyche because they don't want to talk to talk about it.
1:09:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So, on that note, thanks for hanging out with us today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Check us out everywhere we're at.
1:10:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, have a good rest of the week, everybody.
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_00]: out there, stay safe, stay weird, and if you're a paranormal investigator, just do better than these two, for fuck's sake, just do better, help people, help people that come to you and need help.