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The White Witch and Ghosts of the Indian Burial Ground · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Today, i'd
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  Speaker 1: like to talk about the paranormal, more specifically ghosts. I
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  Speaker 1: have two very interesting ghost stories to tell you today,
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  Speaker 1: and I call this episode The White Witch and Ghosts
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  Speaker 1: of the Indian Burial Ground. These are two very interesting
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  Speaker 1: haunting cases which I find interesting because both are taking
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  Speaker 1: place in a very specific area, both have had activity
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  Speaker 1: for a very long time, and both involve multiple witnesses
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  Speaker 1: and a wide variety of manifestations. I think they have
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  Speaker 1: a lot to say about the nature of the paranormal
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  Speaker 1: and ghostly phenomenon. So let's just get started. And the
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  Speaker 1: first case I want to talk about is the White Witch.
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  Speaker 1: This is a very well known own haunting in the
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  Speaker 1: el Sobronto Oakland area. It's somewhere around Tilden Park Alvarado Park.
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  Speaker 1: Some say it's taking place in Joaquin Miller Park. It
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  Speaker 1: has become something of an urban legend, and there's quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit of variations in the story about how this
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  Speaker 1: haunting began and has manifested. But as we get into it,
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  Speaker 1: you'll see it's quite an interesting story. So there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of stories about the White Witch. There's quite
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  Speaker 1: a bit of variation and what I would call contradictions
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  Speaker 1: or discrepancies in how this haunting began. Some say it
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  Speaker 1: was the cause of a lady whose daughter died in
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  Speaker 1: a fire after a handsome sailor tried to seduce the daughter.
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  Speaker 1: Others say that the lady died in a carriage accident.
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  Speaker 1: There appears to be a number of differing testimonies about
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  Speaker 1: how this haunting actually began. But what got me interested
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  Speaker 1: in this case was that I was able to interview
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  Speaker 1: a group of five young men who were first hand
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  Speaker 1: witnesses to this ghost. So this is a very famous
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  Speaker 1: haunting in the El Sobronto area, something of an urban legend,
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  Speaker 1: as I said, which has now been supported by numerous
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  Speaker 1: eyewitness testimonies. There is in fact a full length book
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  Speaker 1: written on this case. It's called Juanita Miller the White Witch,
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  Speaker 1: and some people believe that it is in fact Juanita Miller,
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  Speaker 1: the daughter of Joaquin Miller, who is the source of
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  Speaker 1: this haunting. Others feel that it might be a different
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  Speaker 1: entity entirely. At any rate, there are numerous people who
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  Speaker 1: have seen a ghostly figure in the Alvarado Tilden Park area,
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  Speaker 1: and in the book written on this case, there are
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  Speaker 1: numerous first hand accounts. There are many accounts also on
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  Speaker 1: the internet. I do know of one account involving two
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  Speaker 1: ladies who were riding horseback on the back roads of
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  Speaker 1: the foothills in this area when they reportedly encountered the
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  Speaker 1: White Witch. They were riding police peacefully when they heard
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  Speaker 1: a strange noise behind them, and they turned around and
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  Speaker 1: saw the tall, white form of a ghost hovering behind them.
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  Speaker 1: They became very frightened and took off at a gallop,
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  Speaker 1: and to their surprise, this ghostly figure easily kept up
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  Speaker 1: with them. They slowed down, and the ghosts slowed down.
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  Speaker 1: They sped up, and again the ghost matched their speed,
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  Speaker 1: and after a long, hair raising gallop that went on
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  Speaker 1: for several minutes, the ghost stopped the chase. However, the
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  Speaker 1: two women kept galloping away and that is their testimony.
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  Speaker 1: But some of these testimonies are quite bizarre. Numerous people
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  Speaker 1: have reportedly seen this figure wandering around the trails in
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  Speaker 1: the back roads of this park area, but there are
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  Speaker 1: a few accounts of people who have reportedly seen this
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  Speaker 1: apparition riding on the backs of cows. So this does
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  Speaker 1: sound like a strange urban legend, but it's very well known.
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  Speaker 1: Many people have seen this. One lady she reported about
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  Speaker 1: it and so that there's a lot of fog in
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  Speaker 1: this area and that perhaps that's what people were seeing.
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  Speaker 1: But after talking to some first hand witnesses, it's clear
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  Speaker 1: to me that this is in fact a real case.
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  Speaker 1: I was able to interview five young men who were
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  Speaker 1: all members of a newly formed heavy metal rock band.
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  Speaker 1: These were boys who ranged in age from around seventeen
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  Speaker 1: to twenty two. They were all residents of El Sabrin.
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  Speaker 1: They were friends of a family friend, and that's how
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  Speaker 1: I heard about this case. And one summer evening in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety, they were searching for an inspiration to write
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  Speaker 1: some new songs, and that's when one of them brought
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  Speaker 1: up the legend of the White Witch. They lived quite
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  Speaker 1: near Alvarado in Tilden Park, and none of them really
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  Speaker 1: believed the stories, though part of them wondered if the
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  Speaker 1: White Witch was actually real, so one of them got
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  Speaker 1: the idea to go on an impromptu ghost hunt. They
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  Speaker 1: talked about it for a while, and being young and brave,
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  Speaker 1: they decided why not let's go out there and see
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  Speaker 1: if we can call forth this ghost, because according to
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  Speaker 1: some of the accounts, the ghost is attracted to young
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  Speaker 1: blonde men, and one of them was blonde. His name
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  Speaker 1: is John, and they decided the kids decided that they
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  Speaker 1: would use John as bay for the ghost. So the
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  Speaker 1: five of them waited until past midnight, when the ghost
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  Speaker 1: was reportedly supposed to appear. They then piled into their
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  Speaker 1: truck and set off towards Alvarado Park. And none of
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  Speaker 1: them expected this idea to work. They were just out
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  Speaker 1: there having fun. They were more curious and playful about
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  Speaker 1: the idea and weren't really expecting to see anything, so
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  Speaker 1: none of them were at all prepared for what was
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  Speaker 1: about to happen to them. They pulled up to the park,
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  Speaker 1: got out of their truck, and hiked up to a
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  Speaker 1: little bench near the center of the park, and they
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  Speaker 1: sat there for about fifteen minutes, and just as they expected,
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  Speaker 1: there was no ghost. Disappointed but not surprised, they decided
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  Speaker 1: to leave and they all stood up and began walking
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  Speaker 1: back to their truck. And it was at this exact
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  Speaker 1: moment that the White Witch made a dramatic appearance, and
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  Speaker 1: as soon as it appeared, they all completely panicked. John,
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  Speaker 1: who was for the ghost, says, and I quote, we
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  Speaker 1: started walking up the path to go back up towards
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  Speaker 1: the truck, and she started walking up on us, she
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  Speaker 1: meaning the white witch, And as John says, everybody started
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  Speaker 1: racing for the truck. Our ex drummer turned around and looked,
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  Speaker 1: and then we all looked and it was like ah,
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  Speaker 1: and we ran. So as they ran, this ghostly figure
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  Speaker 1: chased them, and it was about ten feet behind them.
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  Speaker 1: Another one of the witnesses, Tom remembers the incident vividly,
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  Speaker 1: and as he says, we were just ready to leave
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  Speaker 1: the place when she came out and started coming towards us.
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  Speaker 1: So we kind of split real quick. We saw her,
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  Speaker 1: and then she started coming toward us, and we kind
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  Speaker 1: of bugged. So this ghost was so close. They couldn't
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  Speaker 1: help but get a pretty good view of her. And
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  Speaker 1: as Tom says, she was white, and she was pretty tall.
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  Speaker 1: She was almost six feet and she kind of hovered
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  Speaker 1: above the ground. There were no feet, just her and
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  Speaker 1: her dress. Falling behind her was really trippy. I was
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  Speaker 1: kind of worried about getting out of there. So despite
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  Speaker 1: the close proximity of the ghost. Most of the guys
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  Speaker 1: there admit that they were too frightened to carefully observe it,
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  Speaker 1: and as John says, all I really saw was a
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  Speaker 1: big white flash because I turned, looked and ran, And
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  Speaker 1: the other three pretty much said the same thing. But
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  Speaker 1: it was Tom who got the clearest of you, and
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  Speaker 1: as he says, you could kind of see through her,
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  Speaker 1: especially at the end of her dress. She put off
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  Speaker 1: a pretty bright glow. So all five witnesses ran screaming
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  Speaker 1: towards the truck, and as soon as they reached it,
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  Speaker 1: they piled in and raced away, not even looking back.
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  Speaker 1: All of them admit that they were pretty frightened by this,
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  Speaker 1: and after a few minutes of racing down the narrow
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  Speaker 1: streets at top speeds, they finally stopped the truck and
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  Speaker 1: began excitedly talking about what they had just seen. There
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  Speaker 1: was no doubt in any of their minds what it was.
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  Speaker 1: They had absolutely encountered the infamous White Witch in all
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  Speaker 1: her blaze and glory. None of them could even believe
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  Speaker 1: their own eyes, but their hearts were beating fast. They
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  Speaker 1: were scared, and yet at the same time they began
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  Speaker 1: to doubt their eyes. Had they really encountered the White Witch,
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  Speaker 1: and because it seemed so easy, they just went out
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  Speaker 1: there and there she was, and none of them really
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  Speaker 1: wanted to admit to each other that they were actually scared,
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  Speaker 1: and peer pressure being what it is, the five boys
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  Speaker 1: soon found themselves deciding to head back deeper into the
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  Speaker 1: park to see if they could provoke the White Witch
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  Speaker 1: into another appearance. So, despite the fact that none of
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  Speaker 1: them really wanted to see it again, they turned the
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  Speaker 1: truck around and drove back into the park where they
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  Speaker 1: had just encountered this ghost. This time, they decided not
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  Speaker 1: to leave the car at all. They stayed in the truck,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't long before they got the confirmation they
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  Speaker 1: were looking for. The white Witch appeared without any warning,
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  Speaker 1: and again this experience proved more terrifying than they expected.
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  Speaker 1: As they were sitting in the truck, suddenly the white
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  Speaker 1: Witch appeared and then disappeared and appeared in another location
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  Speaker 1: and started flashing all around them, and there was no
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  Speaker 1: doubt in their mind that this apparition, whatever it was,
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  Speaker 1: knew exactly where they were and was either trying to
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  Speaker 1: scare them or they felt getting ready to attack them.
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  Speaker 1: And it was only then that they realized that they
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  Speaker 1: were probably dealing with something a little more powerful and
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  Speaker 1: unpredictable than that they had bargained for. So at this
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  Speaker 1: point their priorities changed. Ghost hunting suddenly lost its charm,
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  Speaker 1: and the only thing the witnesses wanted to do was
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  Speaker 1: leave the area as quickly as possible. And I'll just
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  Speaker 1: let Tom describe how this went down. As Tom says,
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  Speaker 1: we went deeper into the park, kind of where she
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  Speaker 1: always hangs out. I don't know if it's true, but
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  Speaker 1: we stayed there for a long time. It took us
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  Speaker 1: a long time to get this close. But we took
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  Speaker 1: a detour road and we were resting up and she
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  Speaker 1: came out again. She appeared and disappeared, then appeared somewhere else.
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  Speaker 1: We saw her a couple of times, and this time John,
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  Speaker 1: who was the original bait for the ghost, got a
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  Speaker 1: better view of the white Witch, And as he says,
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  Speaker 1: we went to Tilden Park and we were kicking back
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  Speaker 1: in the car, watching the stars and stuff, and then
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  Speaker 1: we started hearing these dogs barking, so we started looking
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  Speaker 1: and she came out of the We left. We didn't
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  Speaker 1: stop to look at her. She was just a white
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  Speaker 1: woman with a long white dress. I didn't really look
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  Speaker 1: at her very well, So, just like the first time,
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  Speaker 1: they quickly started the car and raced away as fast
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  Speaker 1: as they could. John however, kept his eye on the
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  Speaker 1: ghost as they drove away and was able to make
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  Speaker 1: out more details. According to him, she was very bright
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  Speaker 1: and looked almost physical. As he says, she was pretty solid,
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  Speaker 1: really bright. As long as we drove away, I kept
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  Speaker 1: my eye on her. We had a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: with us who saw it. We all saw it. So
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  Speaker 1: they drove off and went back home. Having all seen it,
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  Speaker 1: they were solidly convinced of the White Witch's existence, but
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  Speaker 1: following this, their desires to continue ghost hunting had vanished,
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  Speaker 1: and they actually never went out there again. Not late
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  Speaker 1: at night. They just felt that this apparition was hostile
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  Speaker 1: and it was too scary, so they rushed home, told
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  Speaker 1: their friends and their family, who I talked to some
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  Speaker 1: of them, and their friends said they were all very
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  Speaker 1: excited and obviously telling the truth. One of them clearly
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  Speaker 1: remembers how scared they all were as they explained what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And as hard as it was for her to accept
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  Speaker 1: that the White Witch was real, it was clear that
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  Speaker 1: these boys felt that they had encountered her. I also
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  Speaker 1: talked to John's older sister who verified their story, and
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  Speaker 1: as she says, my dad wasn't there, so I didn't
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  Speaker 1: go along. I didn't feel like being hunted. They used
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  Speaker 1: my brother for bait because he's blonde, and it worked.
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  Speaker 1: When the boys went out there, they said they saw
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  Speaker 1: her in three different parks. They saw her five times.
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  Speaker 1: One of the times she actually split up into different
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  Speaker 1: people because there were five guys that went and they
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  Speaker 1: were going, she's over here, No, she's over here, No,
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  Speaker 1: she's over here, and they were all right. So what's
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  Speaker 1: very interesting about this particular case is that a large
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  Speaker 1: number of people have vouched for the honesty and the
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  Speaker 1: integrity of these five witnesses. There's a little doubt in
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  Speaker 1: my mind that this incident happened exactly as described. So
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  Speaker 1: it's a pretty interesting case. Involving so many witnesses, we're
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  Speaker 1: actually able to provoke this ghost into an appearance. So
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  Speaker 1: this is one of the more famous hauntings in California.
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  Speaker 1: Not only is there a full length book written about it,
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  Speaker 1: it's become something of an urban legend. And those five
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  Speaker 1: witnesses who I interviewed will tell you that they will
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  Speaker 1: never forget what they saw on that summer night in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety and needless to say, they all now in ghosts.
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  Speaker 1: So that is the story of the White Witch, a
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  Speaker 1: truly bizarre and unusual case of ghostly activity. And the
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  Speaker 1: next case I want to talk about is what I
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  Speaker 1: call the Ghosts of the Indian Burial Ground. This is
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  Speaker 1: taking place in Topanga Canyon, California, more specifically in Topanga
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  Speaker 1: Canyon State Park. This is along in Troda Drive. And
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  Speaker 1: what's interesting about this case is it does involve numerous witnesses,
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  Speaker 1: all of whose homes were apparently built on or near
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  Speaker 1: a Native American burial ground. So this is presumably what
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  Speaker 1: led to a lot of this activity. But as we
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  Speaker 1: go through the cases, you can make up your own
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  Speaker 1: mind about it. So Tapanga Canyon is a small community
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  Speaker 1: nestled in the Santa Monica Mountains in southern California. It's
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  Speaker 1: perhaps best known for the huge amounts of UFO activity,
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  Speaker 1: but what many people don't know is that it also
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of ghost activity. And in fact, Tapanga
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  Speaker 1: Canyon is well known for having been a meeting place
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  Speaker 1: for various Native American tribes, most prominently the Chumash Gabriolano
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  Speaker 1: Indians and Chumash name for Tapango was where the mountains
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  Speaker 1: meet the sea. But there are several well known settlements
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  Speaker 1: in this area. In fact, the center of Tapanga Canyon,
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  Speaker 1: where all the shops are built, was reportedly a settlement
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  Speaker 1: the caves above Santa Maria Creek, not far from where
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  Speaker 1: I used to live as a child. It's definitely an
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  Speaker 1: area where they hung out. There are many caves and
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  Speaker 1: you can see little rounded grind holes used for grinding
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  Speaker 1: buckwheat into flour. They're in the caves. So there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of evidence of Native American settlements stretching back a
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  Speaker 1: few thousand years at least. But the main area of
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  Speaker 1: activity in terms of haunting activity is up near the
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  Speaker 1: entrance of Tapanga State Park. This is about halfway up
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  Speaker 1: the street called Entrada, near the cross section of Entrada
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  Speaker 1: and another road called Kolina. So this is located on
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  Speaker 1: the actual Chumash settlements. And I know this is true.
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  Speaker 1: I had a friend who lived up on Colina and
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  Speaker 1: when we were little kids, we were playing around with
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  Speaker 1: matchbox cars and we dug out a perfectly shiny, very
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  Speaker 1: sharp arrowhead. So there's a number of artifacts dug out
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  Speaker 1: from this exact area. So what I found interesting about
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  Speaker 1: this case is there are at least four or five
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  Speaker 1: homes located almost adjacent to each other in this one
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  Speaker 1: exact area, all of which have reported all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: ghostly activity. And some of these are built on the
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  Speaker 1: settlement itself, and if you are allegedly built directly on
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  Speaker 1: the Native American burial ground. And the first people I interviewed,
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  Speaker 1: I call them the Hendersons. They do not want their
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  Speaker 1: real name use, so that's a pseudonym. And they lived
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  Speaker 1: there in their home right along the edge of the
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  Speaker 1: Native American burial ground for about three years. But it
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  Speaker 1: was one day in nineteen seventy three when they had
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  Speaker 1: a very dramatic incident occur. It was daytime and miss
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  Speaker 1: Henderson and her four year old daughter were standing at
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  Speaker 1: one end of the living room. Nobody else was in
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  Speaker 1: the room, and they watched in stunned silence as a
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  Speaker 1: pillow on the couch rose up by itself and flew
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  Speaker 1: across the room towards them. As miss Henderson says, the
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  Speaker 1: one thing that was really strange was when my daughter
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  Speaker 1: and I were in the living room and we were
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  Speaker 1: maybe eight feet away from the couch and a pillow
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  Speaker 1: flew off our couch and on to the floor. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's the strangest thing I've ever seen. There's no accounting
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  Speaker 1: for it at all. It was on the couch, leaning
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  Speaker 1: against the back of the couch and it just flew
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  Speaker 1: across the room and landed on the floor. It came
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  Speaker 1: right near where we were. It was like somebody had
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  Speaker 1: thrown it just like that. It was unbelievable. Was like,
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  Speaker 1: did that really happen? But my daughter saw it happen too.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't have imagined it because we both
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  Speaker 1: saw it happen, and she still remembers it. She still
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  Speaker 1: remembers the color of the pillow. It was really weird.
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  Speaker 1: And I keep thinking about that. Did that really happen? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: it did. I'm sure it happened. So this incident marked
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of a series of unexplained events in their
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  Speaker 1: home that left the entire family baffled as to what
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  Speaker 1: was going on. Was shortly after this pillow incident that
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  Speaker 1: they began to hear strange noises in the basement. They
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  Speaker 1: said sometimes it sounded like furniture was being moved around
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  Speaker 1: upstairs when nobody was there, and more often it was
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  Speaker 1: this strange tapping noise on the basement wall, which would
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  Speaker 1: happen over and over again, usually at the same time
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  Speaker 1: every night, and they searched and searched for the source
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  Speaker 1: of this mysterious knocking noises but could never find it.
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  Speaker 1: And as Miss Henderson says, we used to hear tapping
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  Speaker 1: noises down in the basement wall at night, and if
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  Speaker 1: you were down in the basement, it sounded like our
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  Speaker 1: chairs were being moved. It sounded like that. But the
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  Speaker 1: tapping on the wall that was weird. It happened about
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  Speaker 1: the same time every night we slept the basement, and
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  Speaker 1: we were convinced that something was going on in that house.
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  Speaker 1: The tapping. It could have been I don't know, the pipes,
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  Speaker 1: but no, it wasn't the pipes. We would have heard
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  Speaker 1: it if it was the pipes. I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: that tapping came from. So this usually started around eight o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: It was always this tapping sound, and usually three taps
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  Speaker 1: in a row, and they were skeptical that their house
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  Speaker 1: was haunted, but still they had no explanation for these
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  Speaker 1: weird noises or the levitation of this pillow. So finally,
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  Speaker 1: after going through this for months on end, they decided
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  Speaker 1: to ask their neighbors if they had experienced anything strange
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  Speaker 1: or unusual, and to their surprise, they found out that
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  Speaker 1: at least two of their neighbors were experiencing similar paranormal activity.
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  Speaker 1: The neighbors immediately next door to them, so that they
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  Speaker 1: were occasionally interrupted by the sounds of footsteps traveling through
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  Speaker 1: their home and they would rush to see who was there,
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  Speaker 1: but the room would always be empty, and a few
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  Speaker 1: times the footsteps came when people were actually present in
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  Speaker 1: the room and they were able to track the footsteps
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  Speaker 1: as they actually walked across the room, but whoever was
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  Speaker 1: making these footsteps, they were completely invisible. So that's one
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  Speaker 1: house and the next house down the road also experienced
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  Speaker 1: an event that the residents feel was unexplained. One day,
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  Speaker 1: an upstairs window completely shattered under very mysterious circumstances. They
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  Speaker 1: tried to blame the accident on whether or perhaps pranksters
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  Speaker 1: or something, but were unable to do so or figure
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  Speaker 1: out what had shattered the window because it appeared to
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  Speaker 1: have come from the inside of the hu. So alone,
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  Speaker 1: any of these events might seem inconsequential, but together they
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  Speaker 1: form a pretty alarming pattern. The Henderson family had moved
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  Speaker 1: into a brand new house. Nobody had ever lived there before,
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  Speaker 1: so nobody had died in the house. There had been
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  Speaker 1: no tragedy there. But when they found out their neighbors
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  Speaker 1: were also having unexplained experiences, they decided it must be
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: the area itself, and the only thing they could think
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  Speaker 1: of was that the Chumash Indian burial ground was a
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  Speaker 1: mere stone's throw away from the house. A few years later,
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  Speaker 1: they sold their house and moved out. They knew that
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  Speaker 1: the new residents had remodeled the house and added on
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  Speaker 1: a room, but as far as they know, the new
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  Speaker 1: residents did not experience any unusual activity. However, I asked around.
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people in the canyon, and
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  Speaker 1: I found out that there are in fact other homes
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  Speaker 1: right in this exact area that are experiencing haunting activity.
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  Speaker 1: Another lady I interviewed, I'll call her Pamela Mitchell. Again,
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  Speaker 1: she does not want her real name used. She was
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  Speaker 1: only nine years old when her parents moved into a
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  Speaker 1: house along in Trada. This is just a few houses
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  Speaker 1: down from where the Hendersons lived, and although they only
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: lived there a short time, it was long enough for
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Pamela to grow to hate the house. When they purchased
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: this property, their home was little more than a shack
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: with a garage, but they knocked the entire house down
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  Speaker 1: and built a large, two story house. And to pass
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the time, Pamela used to go into the backyard and play.
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  Speaker 1: And what she didn't realize at first was that her
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: backyard was directly over the Chumash Indian Burial ground itself.
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  Speaker 1: There were all these little stones piled up in various formations,
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  Speaker 1: and at first she thought they were kind of cool
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  Speaker 1: and enchanting, but for some reason she didn't fully understand
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  Speaker 1: at the time, it also scared her. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: she did not realize that this was in fact the
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  Speaker 1: Chumash Indian Burial ground, but several times she would be
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: out there playing it would be overcome with the feeling
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  Speaker 1: that someone or something was watching her. Although she never
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: actually saw anything, she felt like it was an ominous
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: presence that would permeate the area, and it would get
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: so bad that she would jump up and run as
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: quickly as she could to the safety of her home.
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  Speaker 1: And as she says, and I quote, on Entrada just
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: beyond second Incina was our house and Sena is a
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  Speaker 1: road just below Collina, which is where all this activity
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  Speaker 1: is taking place. And as Pamela says, on the land
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  Speaker 1: there was a little area of rocks pointed to ones
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  Speaker 1: of different shapes. Well used to go and play in
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  Speaker 1: the rocks right where there was that little rounded area
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  Speaker 1: of rocks where the burial ground was. And boy did
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  Speaker 1: I used to run. It was more like a feeling.
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  Speaker 1: I would always feel like they were there and I
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  Speaker 1: would run. I was eight or nine years old, and
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  Speaker 1: I would just jam. So this occurred several times until
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: she became frightened of the area and avoided it. However,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that didn't stop the problem, because Pamela began to send
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  Speaker 1: something strange about the house itself. Again, this house was
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  Speaker 1: new and there was nothing wrong with it in terms of,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: you know, someone having died there, but Pamela couldn't figure
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  Speaker 1: out why. But this house, this house actually terrified her.
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  Speaker 1: It began with just a creepy feeling. She didn't like
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to be left alone in the house. Her parents had
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: not reported any experiences and when she told them about it,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: they attributed her fears to an overactive imagination. However, she
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: believed that this house was in fact haunted, and when
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: she was alone in her bedroom at night, she began
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  Speaker 1: to have very spooky experiences. As she says, and I quote,
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  Speaker 1: my bedroom was way on the other side of the house,
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  Speaker 1: and I was so frightened in that house that I
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: would sleep in the living room almost nightly. I would
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: wake up and scream, and I used to think I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: saw things. I would wake up and scream and nothing
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: would come out of my mouth. I'd be so freaked
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: out about it. So Pam quickly grew to hate and
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  Speaker 1: fear this house, and she was tremendously relieved when her
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: parents decided to move, and she thought perhaps they had
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: had activity too, but they never admitted it. But what's
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: so interesting about this case is it does involve many witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: And I found yet another witness who was hiking in
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: that area. She's quite psychic, and she had the sense
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: that there was a group of very unhappy or angry
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Native American spirits who wanted her out of the area.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: So I need this to say. She left, and I
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  Speaker 1: talked to another witness who went out to the park
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  Speaker 1: to meditate, and she sensed the presence of a small
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Indian girl looking at her with a very sad expression.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And I talked to yet another witness who said that
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: he was jogging in the state park when he also
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: sensed the presence of Native American spirits who seemed angry
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: that he was intruding on their area. So, after collecting
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: all these accounts, I decided to speak publicly about them
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: at the Sopanga Community House. They would hold monthly meetings there,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and I asked to speak, and I went up on
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: stage and told all these accounts, and to my surprise,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: there were numerous people in the audience who not only
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: believed it, they had their own stories to share. There
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: was another man who lived on the entrance to Tepega
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: State Park, writing the exact area where all these incidents
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: were occurring, and he said that he on numerous occasions
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: he and his whole family saw full color apparitions of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Native American spirits wandering through their house. And some of
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: these were on horses, and some of it was quite
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: violent in that there appeared to be a skirmish of
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: some type between the Native American spirits and white people
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: who were in the area, and there was at least
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: two other people who came up on stage to share
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: their accounts of similar haunting activity. And I later learned
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: from a second hand source that there were other cases
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  Speaker 1: in this area, and in fact, parapsychologists from the UCLA
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Parapsychology Department went up to do research. So whatever the case,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it's clear that there's a lot of people reporting ghostly
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: activity in this very sharply defined area at the entrance
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: to Topanga Canyon State Park. So those are the two
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: cases I wanted to share with you today. As you
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: can see, they're both quite impressive in that they do
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  Speaker 1: involve a large number of witnesses, a lot of different
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: types of ghostly manifestations taking place over a long period
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: of time. These areas are both really good places to
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: go if you want to see a ghost and experience
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: this for yourself. That's another reason I really wanted to
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: do this video for you today. I did present these
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: cases in my book California Ghosts, and uh yeah, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: think they've got a lot to say about ghostly activity.
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  Speaker 1: So I hope you've enjoyed this episode. I truly appreciate
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you watching, Thank you very much, and until next time,
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  Speaker 1: keep having fun.