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Culture and Ethic Behind Offseason Programming | Jags Drive Time: Wednesday, May 31 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaggs Drive Time with John O'sher Ocean, Brian
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  Speaker 1: Sextext Manky Steve of his.
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  Speaker 2: Jangs Drive Time. It starts right now.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome into drive Time. I'm Kindannie Stevens.
• 0:20
  Speaker 4: Here are the Brian and John, because why not let's
• 0:23
  Speaker 4: do it? So OTA day number five, we're halfway through.
• 0:26
  Speaker 4: We're getting closer to training camp, getting a little bit
• 0:28
  Speaker 4: more exciting. Obviously, not a ton they do at OTA's,
• 0:31
  Speaker 4: but we did have some new faces there this week,
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  Speaker 4: and you know, we get to talk little special teams today,
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  Speaker 4: so some new stuff to go over, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's Here's the good part about it, right,
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: is that we're only out there once a week. I
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: mean it used to be John, we were out there
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  Speaker 2: every day, and you're watching the same drills every and
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: you start micro managing it in your mind and hey, wait,
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: I saw this footwork that was I mean, it's just
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: you don't even use it when you get into training
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: camp at some point. But it is nice to go
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: out and see some with the new guys. You know,
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: see Calvin Ridley running around, see Cam Robinson back out
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  Speaker 2: there yesterday we did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the micro is what you want
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  Speaker 1: to avoid in this and you want to look at
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  Speaker 1: the macro, and to me, the macro is that if
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: you think back on how Trevor Lawrence looked in the
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  Speaker 1: offense this time last year, and how the offense looked
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: this time last year, in terms of smoothness, Uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: head and shoulder. You'd expect that, but it's good to see.
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: OTAs for a good team should be more reassuring than
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: they are revealing. And I think this is reassuring.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have Trevor really believe it or not in
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  Speaker 2: the script very much today when I'm talking a lot
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  Speaker 2: about him, obviously.
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  Speaker 3: Trevor's Trevor, and he looks good all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, the one thing I did
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  Speaker 2: notice to go micro is just the way he was
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  Speaker 2: running the drills right. He was telling everyone, hey, back
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  Speaker 2: up right. I mean the little things that made it
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  Speaker 2: feel like, Okay, this is his team. And I noticed
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  Speaker 2: that Doug was just standing there with Mike McCoy and
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  Speaker 2: they were watching, they were talking, and he was moving
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  Speaker 2: around do some of the things that coaches normally would
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  Speaker 2: do in an OTA. So maybe you saw that with
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  Speaker 2: Peyton Manning in his early years when you were in Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't recall a quarterback in Jacksonville ever managing
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  Speaker 2: the whole practice like he did with the offense at times.
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  Speaker 4: Yesterday exciting and they started to run themselves. You don't
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  Speaker 4: have to direct everything.
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  Speaker 2: It's his offense.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is a great is Absolutely let's go
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  Speaker 4: over some of the big things because we'll get right
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  Speaker 4: into it here today. Our big thing, number one is
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  Speaker 4: that one of the new faces in town, Brandon McManus.
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  Speaker 3: They made a kicker change.
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  Speaker 4: We I think talked about kickers last week, which is
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  Speaker 4: kind of funny, but we were able to catch up
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  Speaker 4: with some of the coaching staff yesterday and hearing about
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  Speaker 4: exactly what went into the decision when they signed McManus.
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  Speaker 5: But getting the opportunity to add Brandon Brandon, you know,
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  Speaker 5: he had reached out to me, so it was a
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  Speaker 5: guy that wanted to play here. I think that just
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  Speaker 5: kind of gives you the picture of where the culture's gone.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we have players that are free agents after
• 2:55
  Speaker 5: getting released and say, hey, coach, I would love to
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  Speaker 5: play here. The just a test about what coach Peterson's done,
• 3:01
  Speaker 5: what the overall team, what it's like to be here.
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  Speaker 5: So it's a guy that wanted to be here, and
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  Speaker 5: then it was an opportunity to get better as a group.
• 3:12
  Speaker 5: You know, I said, Riley did a really good job.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a guy that gives.
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  Speaker 5: Us a lot more flexibility, not only on kickoffs to
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  Speaker 5: be able to pin them deep and do some different stuff,
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  Speaker 5: but it gives us a longer, you know, kickoff line
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  Speaker 5: on Sundays.
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  Speaker 4: We'll touch on what that exactly means to the team
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  Speaker 4: coming up. Big thing number two the fair catch rule.
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  Speaker 4: NFL always tweaking things. They're making that new fair catch rule.
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  Speaker 4: If you do get a fair catch.
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  Speaker 3: It now goes out to the twenty five.
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  Speaker 4: Talk to Doug about whether he thought that would have
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  Speaker 4: a big effect on how his team plays and deals
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  Speaker 4: with kickoffs.
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  Speaker 6: It could be a possibility if it's a you know,
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  Speaker 6: maybe a bad weather game, you know, if the winds blowing, rainy, snowy,
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  Speaker 6: you know, fourth quarter, and maybe you know, you take
• 4:00
  Speaker 6: take an opportunity to take them both to twenty five
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  Speaker 6: as opposed to trying to run. There's some there are
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  Speaker 6: some strategy thing. I don't know if it's going to
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  Speaker 6: change a whole lot.
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  Speaker 3: Big thing Number three is the buy in.
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  Speaker 4: There are a ton of rookies here, as we mentioned,
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  Speaker 4: one of the biggest draft classes we've ever seen here
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  Speaker 4: in Jacksonville. Have a lot of undrafted free agents as well,
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  Speaker 4: So anybody that wants to make this team is going
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  Speaker 4: to have to do it on special teams, and for
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  Speaker 4: Heath Farrell, a lot of that is just about the
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  Speaker 4: buy in and whether they want to be part of
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  Speaker 4: the special team squad.
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  Speaker 5: I think the buy in is the biggest. So the
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  Speaker 5: guys who come to my office voluntarily on their own,
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  Speaker 5: the guys who stay after practice wanted your drill work on,
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  Speaker 5: you know, by themselves and ask questions. I think that's
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  Speaker 5: the biggest thing. How much is the buy in because
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  Speaker 5: a lot of these players haven't played a ton of
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  Speaker 5: special teams in college, So getting the opportunity to kind
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  Speaker 5: of see what that looks like and then can it
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  Speaker 5: translate to our game.
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  Speaker 3: On all special teams edition pretty much we're going to
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  Speaker 3: do here today. I love. This doesn't come around often,
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  Speaker 3: so let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's just done.
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  Speaker 4: We get we'n always talk about the kicker and usual
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  Speaker 4: when you're talk about the ki it's a bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: But this is not a bad thing.
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  Speaker 4: Necessarily, we got a more veteran presence, and I think
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  Speaker 4: that's what Doug and Heath were talking about when we
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  Speaker 4: talked to them yesterday, just being able to have that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, extra versatility, whether it's distance or you know
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  Speaker 4: what they have in that because Riley's leg wasn't as
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  Speaker 4: strong as maybe McManus's is. But I know we kind
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  Speaker 4: of talked on it last week, but we weren't really
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  Speaker 4: sure because when they make these kicking decisions, it's literally
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  Speaker 4: like that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think John, you wrote this at some point
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  Speaker 2: this week. The reality of it is is if Brandon
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  Speaker 2: McManus hadn't become available to them, you'd still have Riley
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  Speaker 2: Patterson and they'd still be looking for solutions though, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean we said that it was Riley's job until
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't, meaning you know, he still had to go
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  Speaker 2: earn it every day. And you know, people, I've seen
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  Speaker 2: a lot in your column, John, and a lot on
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  Speaker 2: social media about you know, well that last kick against
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  Speaker 2: the Chargers was just barely in.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't all I mean, good kick's a good kick.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good kick, right. The truth of it is
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  Speaker 2: is they saw him on the practice field every day
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  Speaker 2: last year and through this ota that was open. You
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  Speaker 2: know they saw something they wanted to change. And McManus
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  Speaker 2: is an upgrade by any standard, a more veteran kicker,
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  Speaker 2: a guy who kicked a sixty four yard field goal
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  Speaker 2: in Seattle last year. You can't let that pass.
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  Speaker 1: Teams change kickers because they believe they will trust the
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  Speaker 1: new kicker more than the old kicker. I also thought
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting when Dug and Heath was talking yesterday
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  Speaker 1: about the distance. There was definitely a distance factor that
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  Speaker 1: they didn't feel like they could have Riley try certain
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  Speaker 1: kicks that they believe that McManus will be able to kick.
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  Speaker 1: I have had people ask me, well, he was a
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  Speaker 1: distance kicker, but he played in Denver. His distance has
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  Speaker 1: been very good, even not in Denver. To me, this
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  Speaker 1: is a no brainer. For this reason. There are certain
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  Speaker 1: kickers in the league that you watch them and you
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  Speaker 1: know their coaches trust them anywhere on the field. Inside
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  Speaker 1: X Riley Patterson had not established himself at that here.
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  Speaker 1: He had done a nice job. I think he's earned
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  Speaker 1: his way into possibly being that guy in the future.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they felt about him
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  Speaker 1: that way, yet they believe they will feel that way
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  Speaker 1: about mcmanuson. To me, that's all the reason that you
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  Speaker 1: make that move.
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  Speaker 4: It's exciting to I think also have that presence to
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  Speaker 4: see out it's gonna affect the offense because when you have,
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  Speaker 4: as you mentioned, a guy that you can rely on,
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  Speaker 4: maybe don't go for it and fourth down as much,
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  Speaker 4: or you know, you have that flexibility.
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  Speaker 2: Right strategy that you were able to employ with a
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  Speaker 2: kicker that you trust. Where you don't have that guy,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, hey, we got to go for the fourth
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  Speaker 2: and two here because this is just outside his range.
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  Speaker 2: And this is a guy we mentioned, you know, in
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  Speaker 2: all fairness, when you're in the thin air up in Denver,
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  Speaker 2: you've seen some historic kicks up there, certainly, but you
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  Speaker 2: also get really crappy weather in Denver, you know, later
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  Speaker 2: in the year as well, and this is a guy
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  Speaker 2: who succeeded in bad weather even with the altitude. So
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  Speaker 2: he gives you a guy that if you're in Pittsburgh
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: in October and it's raining, or you're in Buffalo, you're
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  Speaker 2: not going to be this year, but Buffalo in December
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  Speaker 2: and it's snowing, that you've got some confidence in you know,
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: what I want to talk about is the kickoff thing
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  Speaker 2: that's do right, because John, it's felt for years like
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  Speaker 2: the league was on its way to getting rid of kickoffs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's the most dangerous play in terms of
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  Speaker 2: concussions there is, because you got guys with the full
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  Speaker 2: head of steam, and they've tried all kinds of things, right,
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  Speaker 2: They've tried moving up the where you kick off and
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  Speaker 2: where the ball goes, you know, on a touchback, And
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of pushback from players and coaches on
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  Speaker 2: this new rule. I don't know the numbers in front
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  Speaker 2: of me. I get the sense that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: what they've done John, moving the kickups off, moving the
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  Speaker 2: kick off up, moving the touch back to the twenty
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  Speaker 2: five has abated the problem somewhat, right. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: better than it's been. It feels like it.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're definitely on some sort of slope toward
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  Speaker 1: not having kickoffs at some point. I think this is
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  Speaker 1: inevitable at some point that it is a palpable way
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  Speaker 1: for the league to show people we care about player
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  Speaker 1: safety without ruining the entire game. So I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a way for them to sort of do something gradually
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  Speaker 1: then eventually eliminate it. And then when people say, well,
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: you don't make the game safe, or say well we
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  Speaker 1: eliminated kickoffs and you can still have the sport. It
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  Speaker 1: will be interesting to see how they use this because
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  Speaker 1: the rule now is what it's going to eliminate is
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  Speaker 1: not so much kicking it through the end zone or
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  Speaker 1: kick it into the end zone. It's going to eliminate
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  Speaker 1: that high kick where you try to directional kick it
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  Speaker 1: to the four. There was a belief that that was
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  Speaker 1: sort of causing some injuries as well, in addition to
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  Speaker 1: the high impact where eleven guys are running full speed
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  Speaker 1: at each other. The lob kick, if you will, or
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  Speaker 1: the more kick, yeah, was more of a of a punt. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: What I don't know, what I don't think teams have
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  Speaker 1: feel for yet is how often players will actually use that.
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  Speaker 1: And then does squib become the alternative which squib it
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  Speaker 1: creates weirdness? Yeah, well, it takes a hop which creates
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  Speaker 1: opportunities for weird injuries as you know, as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: impact injuries, which is a kickoff and on side kicks are.
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  Speaker 2: If you have a guy like Jamal Agnew and the Jaguars.
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  Speaker 2: Do you almost can expect you're gonna see more than
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  Speaker 2: squib kicks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think. Or with agnew kick it out,
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  Speaker 1: they made his kick it out of the ends, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Or if you've got a guy who can
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  Speaker 1: do that, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, who you're kicking too is going to determine as
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  Speaker 2: much as the weather or anything else.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and how you deploy this, And Douga said, as
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  Speaker 4: much as they're gonna put him out there and try
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  Speaker 4: to do as much as they can, they're not gonna
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  Speaker 4: fair catch it if they don't have to.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Doug did say yesterday that he didn't think that
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: this was going to change all that much. So we'll
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  Speaker 2: find out.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, at some point, this to me still
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  Speaker 1: feels stop gap from the league.
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  Speaker 2: I'm with you, I think this is the kickoff at
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  Speaker 2: some point will.
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  Speaker 1: Be gone because again, it's something that they can do
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  Speaker 1: without completely ruining the game. The purist will not like it.
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid has come.
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  Speaker 4: Out and said he doesn't like it to like this
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  Speaker 4: new rule, right, so no one ever likes the change though,
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  Speaker 4: right when it's the way we've always done things, and
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: you know we see it in baseball, right, now at
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  Speaker 4: the pitch clock. Everybody hates it, but it's made the
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  Speaker 4: game so much better. And I'm not saying this will
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  Speaker 4: make the game so much better necessarily, but if you're
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  Speaker 4: looking at it, if it can prevent injuries, I'm you know,
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  Speaker 4: we all remember those really exciting kickoffs where someone scores
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  Speaker 4: a touchdown, But how often does that really happen and
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  Speaker 4: how often does it affect where they are in the game.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure it does, and obviously they've found ways to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, cater to that, and then there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of strategy involved in that. But if everybody's put on
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  Speaker 4: the same playing field with it, and it starts at
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  Speaker 4: twenty five no matter what, then you're all going to
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  Speaker 4: have to deal with it at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're not. It seems to me that
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  Speaker 1: coaches aren't as concerned about eliminating that one huge exciting
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  Speaker 1: play as they are having sort of a I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: for the right word, but having every drive, after every
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  Speaker 1: touchdown start at the same spot where you sort of
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: feel like you're playing in your backyard where you always
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: got the ball next to the tree. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and you had an all time quarterback. I think they
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  Speaker 1: want to figure out some way to have some sort
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  Speaker 1: of skill or play determined field position and that's hard
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  Speaker 1: without the kickoff.
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  Speaker 2: But that's where the squib kick's going to come in.
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  Speaker 1: Even without Agne returning it all the way last year,
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  Speaker 1: which he never did. He changed games at the end
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  Speaker 1: of last season, changed momentum, and it feels to coaches
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  Speaker 1: like that ought to still be a part of the
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  Speaker 1: game because it's been such an important, exciting part. But
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  Speaker 1: the eddy of something up I.
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  Speaker 2: Insurging for the right word you put it as as
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  Speaker 2: well as I've heard anyone say, and that is the
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  Speaker 2: coach you work with words. Yeah, the coaches want there
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  Speaker 2: to be a skill right right. They want the position
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  Speaker 2: of the ball to be related to the skill of
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  Speaker 2: the player or the scheme of the coach to get
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  Speaker 2: the ball to a certain spot as opposed to that
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  Speaker 2: and that's that's really what the coaches are going for.
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  Speaker 2: So you know they've made progress, and you never want
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  Speaker 2: to say, well, at least they did something right, but
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  Speaker 2: they had to do something. The concussion issue had become
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  Speaker 2: such a major problem for the league and the players
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  Speaker 2: that they had to do something, and they've identified it
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  Speaker 2: and they're trying to fix it way back in the day.
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  Speaker 2: You remember the wedge, right, I mean they used to
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  Speaker 2: line these guys up on the kickoff return and they
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  Speaker 2: were almost holding hands. You have those front four guys.
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  Speaker 2: I can remember Michael Cheever as a wedge buster in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, his rookie season in the NFL, and
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: we're in Pittsburgh at three River Stadium and he hit
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  Speaker 2: Orpheus Roy you remember Orpeus, the big defensive lineman from
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  Speaker 2: Florida State. He hit him so hard. The two collided
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  Speaker 2: with such fierce ferocity, right, fierce ferocity, because his job
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  Speaker 2: was to bust that front four up so that people
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: could get in. Well, Michael Cheever did what's called a
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  Speaker 2: dead roach. He was laying on his back like with
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  Speaker 2: his arms straight up in the air. It was knocked
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  Speaker 2: out cold, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't pretty. And so they got rid of the wedge.
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  Speaker 2: And now they moved the kickoffs up to the thirty
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  Speaker 2: five and they've moved everything around. Whether they're doing something,
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  Speaker 2: We'll see whether this one works or not. It's not
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  Speaker 2: set in stone.
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  Speaker 4: We should mention because we talked a little bit about
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  Speaker 4: buying for these guys trying to make the roster right
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  Speaker 4: these rookie players.
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  Speaker 3: If you take a lot of the special.
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  Speaker 4: Teams out of the game, there's gonna be less roster
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  Speaker 4: spots for people that you know, make their money on
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  Speaker 4: special teams or make their way onto a team by
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: proving themselves on special teams and then maybe becoming a
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: starter after the facts. So we have to think about
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: that aspect as well.
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  Speaker 1: I also wonder if at some point they won't you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think what Lee would like to do. Punts are
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  Speaker 1: sort of safe compared.
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  Speaker 2: His favor return was that except for the returner.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's still a significantly safe for Joe to return
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  Speaker 1: punts then to return kicks the way they used to
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  Speaker 1: be set up. So is there some way to have
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: the kickoff be some version of the punt so that
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  Speaker 1: the high impact speed and danger isn't quite as much.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll find out.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's someone on the internet that already has
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: figured this out and has some plan of how to
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: But let's just put this way, they're not done. This
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: thing is a work in.
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Progress, and we'll see there is I think it's technically
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: a tester rule so they're going to like work on
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: it this year and we'll see how actually it comes
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: out and everything.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: But stay with us.
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: Coming up, we're gonna hear from the players. We'll hear
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: from that new kicker that's in town. We'll also hear
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: from Calvin Ridley about him working himself back into football shape.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: We are doing a Wednesday addition because we had open
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: OTAs yesterday for OTA Day number four.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: It's OTA Day number.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: Five today, so at the end of the day we
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: will be halfway through OTA's which means will be that
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: much close to training camp and everything really starts to
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: get going.
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Yesterday we saw a couple of new faces.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Cam Robinson was actually here last week, I believe, but
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: first we saw of him yesterday. Obviously that suspension kind
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: of looming. We don't know what was that.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Story with that. I can't recall there ever being.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: An actual leg announcement. I don't know.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've heard guys, hey he's going to
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: be suspended, and then nothing. They say, yeah, it's four
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: or five weeks and it's done, and then you move on.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: How is this Do you ever recall it? Where the
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: league is?
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I recall uh situations where suspension is it
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: is parted. Uh, Well, it's been reported that it's happening
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: in the league's never really said anything about it, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming that it's being protested and reviewed. Yeah that
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I I have no idea on this because I've not
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: talked to you but down there for a reason. But
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming the longer it goes that there must be
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: some consideration and whatever appeal there might be or whatever,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: that the league's listening or trying to figure something out
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and that it's not just no, it's got to be X.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: So maybe it's good news for camp.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: It might be less severe than we think usually because
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: when they're they're swift and firm with that punishment. For
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: the NFL when they think that something's been you know,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: something is awry.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Soda.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: He was, absolutely, he was out there moving. One of
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: the other new faces was the new kicker Brandon McManus.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: He was cut by the Broncos earlier this week, I
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: think a day earlier, and he made some calls and
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville was one of the calls he made. He reached
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: out to them to see about whether they would be interested.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked for his.
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: Number then gave him a shout just so he could,
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: uh learn a little bit more about me. I try
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: to talk to all the corodinators in pre game each game,
• 17:57
  Speaker 7: just you know, I've been in the league, you know,
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: just you know, honor them, and it's talked to him
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: that way in case something like this happens. And so
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: I reached out to to Heath to you know, please
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: learn more about me. It's just kind of what I
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: bring to the table. And you know, I think he's
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: it's still above his decision whether I come here or not.
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: But I think, you know, we were all able just
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: to put it together and get a deal done to
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: come here.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: McManus reaching out to special teams coordinator Heath Ferrell. We're
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: gonna talk a little bit more specifically about McManus's stats
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: and stuff coming up, but I did want to mention
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: he reached out to Jacksonville. I'm sure he called many places,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: but this is a place that he wanted to come to,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: and it's becoming a little bit of a spot that
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: veterans and other players are looking at, like, hey, I
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: want to go there. They got something good going. That's
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: a good thing.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian, he clarified this a little bit for me.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: He did say he reached out to other people, right, Yeah.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, and I think he said when I was
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: talking to him that he reached out once he understood
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: that Jacksonville was a possibility. Agents pretty much know X
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: number of teams. Might you know it's it's a good
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: look for the kicker if you're an employee. My father
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: always told me that he never got a job they
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: didn't ask for. So you say, hey, I want to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: kick for you guys again. To me, I think it's
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: a no brainer move, and I think it's a very
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: low risk move.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I think if you're him, you see a coach and
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: a quarterback right that are positioned and positioning the franchise well,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and obviously those are both in place. And then you
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: think Florida right for the obvious weather and no tax state,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: which is important to these guys who are making big dollars.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And then you look at the facilities, right, I mean,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you see this brand new facility coming in. It's the
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: place you're gonna go to work every day when the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Miller Electric Center opens this summer. I mean I've been
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: saying this at rotary clubs and speaking engagements. But I
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: mean the golden age of Daguars football is in front
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: of us. I mean you see the best of the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: franchise in the future. Well, if you're a player, what
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: do you want to do that don't wanna go to
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Arizona where the Cardinals look like the worst roster in football.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: They've got the worst facilities in football, and the ownership
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: is fighting with former employees in very high profile cases
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: across it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: No.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: No, I mean this is a very stable, positive situation
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: for the first time in a long time. And I
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: would think that there are a lot of players at
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: different positions that we'll never hear about because the Jaguars
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: couldn't play in free agency that way, they had their
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: agent call and say, hey, any interest in my guy? Right,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: because Jacksonville is being identified as a place where guys
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: want to go.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: And as a kicker, it's got to be exciting to
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: see an offense like is being put together around Trevor
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Lawrence because like, hey, I can kick some extra points
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: instead of trying to kick field goals constantly as he
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: did in Denver last season, which cannot have been fun.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: We'll have to look up with the numbers where exactly,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: because I'm sure he kicked a watch.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Just one more point on this, and I remember walking
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: off the practice field one day last fall, late November,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: early December, and Brandon Sheriff was talking about how nice
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it was to practice, you know, on a sunny, seventy
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: degree day, right getting ready for a game. I think
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: it was before Detroit, you know, and he just commented,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: we didn't have days like this in Washington. No, this
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: is a really good place work.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Yes, except for training camp that might humble some people.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the surface of the sun.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Well, actually, see if they can make it through that,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: they'll be good. After that point, another face. Obviously everyone's
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: been looking at this off season now that we're back
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: in the stadium. Is Calvin Ridley and what he's been
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: able to do with Trevor Lawrence out there. They held
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: him out of some of the open with the open
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: practice they had last week, we saw him held out
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: of some of the drills and a lot of that,
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Doug said was just about kind of easing him back
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: in because you know, he had the injury. He hasn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: played in a while, and Calvin said he felt like.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: He pushes himself too hard.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Sometimes, so he did appreciate that those around him are
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: kind of keeping him on pace.
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, I was at home for a year.
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: I'm juiced, uff, man, I want to be out there.
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: But like I said, you know, I thank god I'm
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: around a good you know, a bunch of good people,
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: good program, and they know how to do this, because
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, you let me do it myself, I'll tire
• 21:51
  Speaker 8: myself out by the time the seasons here. So you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: I got a lot of good people here, have been
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: working out with you know, a lot of good you know,
• 21:57
  Speaker 8: screen stuff, and man, I'm excited about where I'm at
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: right now.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Calvin's ready to run out of his shoes, so it's
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: good that they're kind of keeping that under. You know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: he still looks great. He doesn't look like he's being
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: held back. But I'm good that he's not doing too
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: much too fast.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't let him practice anymore, right, just put him
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: in a bubble. Look, you can see what he is. Uh.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: As soon as the people around him who know these
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: things believe that he is up to speed with Trevor
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Lawrence and knows the offense.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: And it is at that point where okay, X number
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: of training camp practices will get him right. I would
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: have him on the field as as little as possible,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: because there's no doubt in my mind he is going to.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Be very good. Agree with that, And I have to
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: add that I really like him. I mean, I just
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: every time he talks that the energy brings the vibe.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: He's cool, he fits in here, he's I think he's
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: going to be a very good player. I always thought
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: he was going to be a very good player on
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the feet, but I think what he brings to the
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: locker room, that attitude, I think will be even more important.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I really like him, and I wouldn't practice him again either.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I want him on the field ready to go. He
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: knows what it takes to be ready to go, absolutely right,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: even though he's anxious to get out there and do
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: more because it's been a long time. Doug Peterson's the
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: perfect coach for him because Doug knows that these officers
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: in practices are not the end all be all. It's
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: about what you get done in.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: August, absolutely, and that's good to see as well. So
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: we'll just wrap him up, get him ready for the season.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: We'll roll him ount.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: At that point, I want to touch on the defensive
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: side of the ball. We were able to kind of
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: we touched on a little bit. Obviously, the past rush
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: is huge. We've mentioned that has always been an issue.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: Devin Lloyd maybe underperformed last year. We said as much
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: when we spoke to him yesterday, and he said he's
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: really focused on making that second year jump and really
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: defining his role on this team on the defense.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: And I think it's just great going into the same
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: defense with the same group of guys, and I mean,
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: really it's nothing but progression already. But I think for
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: me personally, you know, I have a standard that just
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: wasn't set last year, and so you know, I'm really
• 24:05
  Speaker 9: excited that extra motivation to come out and you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: approve that this year.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: To myself.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: It's always easy to be critical outsat looking and I'm
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: sure he's heard a lot of it, but he seems
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: to be self aware enough to be like, hey, I
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: didn't do enough for what I expect either.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So maybe I'm too old school on this deal. But
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you know, there was a time, John where if you
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: got a good, solid performance from a rookie, you were
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: good about you. You know, that was a guy that
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: you were excited about. Now I read somewhere where someone
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: were all lists in journalism now right, Yeah, here's the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: most exciting rookies and the most disappointing and he was
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: in the bust list. Are you kidding me? This is
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: a guy who was uber productive. He was the AP
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: College Football Player of the Year his senior year at
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Utah and that's with all the studs at Georgia. He
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: had eight sacks and four interceptions and two force fumbles
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: and two touchdowns. The guy's a playmaker. Was he lost
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: last year?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lots of guys struggle with the adjustment to the
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: NFL level. I'm telling if you think that this guy
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't think he has something to prove on himself, he does.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: He absolutely does. But he is a tremendously talented football player.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what he brings to it.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Here's why I think he's gonna be okay. When he's
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: around the ball, he attaches to the ball.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Remember the play in Indie Yeah last year where there
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: were there were a ball maybe he forced the fumble
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: and then he recovered it as well.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: He's very instinctive makes plays when he's around it. If
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: there's anything that you can learn. It's mentally. I didn't
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: say it very well, but I would rather see a
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: guy who is lost as a rookie mentally than who
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: can't handle what's going on physically, because I don't know
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: if you can ever make it up if if you
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: can't do it physically. He was a little lost in
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: terms of recognition, in terms of things happen a little
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: bit too fast because he was seeing things that he
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: had never seen at Utah. Is now seen those things,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: so standar reason he's going to get better against those things.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: He's got to do it. And he's absolutely crucial because
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: his disruption and playmaking ability. He has the ability to
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: change games. They need him to do that because they
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: don't have enough guys on defense who do that well.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: And keep in mind last year he had Mike Caldwell,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: who was a first year coordinator putting in his system,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: with a bunch of other young players on the field.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Andre Cisco was getting time as the starter in Trayvon
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Walker was there with his hand on the ground, so
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: and you brought in a bunch of free agents. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: it was a total transition year and it's not an
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: easy jump to make anyway. But this guy is a
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: first rate disruptor. And I guarantee you that Mike Caldwell
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and the defensive staff looked at the tape last year
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and said, where do we need to move this guy
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: to put him in the best position to succeed. I'm
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: sure there's going to be a lot of that this year.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Obviously wasn't around last season, so I can't speak to
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: their mentality, but Trayvon as well we talked to. This
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: is the first offseason they've probably had ever in their
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: lives from football, because you know, you just play all
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: the way straight through in college. You're starting again very soon,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: and they actually took a break from football, and I
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: think sometimes just that little bit of hey, I'm not
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: playing football, get my body right, but also mentally to
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: be like, Okay, I can go into this. I've done
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: a year. I'm a professional football player. It's a little
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: bit different than trying to go through the draft and
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: then just immediately thrown into camp. So I think that's
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: a lot of times why we see that second year jump,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: and they seem to mentally be ready to go from
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: what I've seen so far.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in good places, both of them. Will be better,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: and neither of them did anything last year to make
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you think they can't do it. As Brian said, we're
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: such You know, one thing I've never quite grasped is
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: how people can watch the league over and over and
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: over again, constantly see players who weren't all that great
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: as rookies be very good pros except for the running
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: back position and the cornerback position. It's very common, and
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: then still write guys off his busts. Yeah, it's one
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: of the dynamics that I guess people just don't see it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: But there's no reason in the world to think that
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: those two guys won't be huge impact players this year.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: They've done nothing to make you think they won't be.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: There are players who have gone on to Hall of
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Fame careers, Yeah that if you looked at what they
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: did as rookies, you never you'd say, well, they're a
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: busted in today's parlance, right, Yeah, because it's all about
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: right here and right now. Drafted develop means draft be
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: patient and.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Developed well on the job training.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you didn't learn with Trevor Lawrence, right
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: there were people that were questioning him after his rookie season,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: and you saw the progress he made. Calmed down, take
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: a deep breath. These guys do need the opportunity to develop.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: Who sad it'll come little moment he's yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: Actually, Devin Lloyd did tell me he picked up pilates,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: so he's bringing in the flexibility aspect. Maybe everyone else
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: can do a little yoga, have a little meditation and
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: wait it out. I think they're going to be seeing
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: a very different defense this year. I'm hoping at least
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: it'll be a little bit different. Coming up, we're gonna
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: hear from John ozone mail bag. All his wisdom will
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: be shared with you. Stay tuned.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: This is friendly, oh.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Suit, welcome back. We're doing the final drive time for
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the month.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Of May, and what would it be without an Ozone
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: mail bag. We got a check in with John oser
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: and get his thoughts on absolutely everything, because I know
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: everyone writes you and asks you all these very detailed questions.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: So this week a lot there's some detail, lots of
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: kickers this week, kicking questions. This week, we're gonna start
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: with question number one, Greg from Section one twenty two.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: He's from Jacksonville, very specific as an older person. He says,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: this whole evolving to eliminate the kicking game is beyond ridiculous.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: It's football, exactly, How is it if a foot never
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: contacts the ball? Well, we're getting into a little soccer
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: versus football football argument.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe the sentiment here is not wrong. As we discussed
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and will continue to discuss the game as they are
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: changing it to make it safer and eliminating kickoffs, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: don't think will be as good and it certainly will
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: be different. Their their decision making here philosophically is we
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to save this game,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: to make it safe. So it's not a want to
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: on these things. They don't you know, nobody in the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: NFL sitting here, I want to eliminate kickoffs. It's trying
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to make this game safe
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  Speaker 1: for the players, some of whom don't even want these rules.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: But as we've seen over the course of fifty years
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: of looking at this, the concussions, the seats, you know,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: all this, sometimes you have to or the feeling is
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you have to protect the players from themselves a little bit.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: That's the responsibility of the stewards of the game, if
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: you will.
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  Speaker 2: Can I go a little deeper, you know, we're talking
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  Speaker 2: about safety, and we're thinking about NFL players because that's
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: what we do, but this goes down to high school
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: and Pop Warner level as well, because if and they've
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: seen the number of high school football players diminish in
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: recent years because of the nature of concussions and parents
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: parents not wanting their kids to get hurt, so they
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: move them to other sports, soccer and things like that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: So the reality of it is is that if you
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: want this game to continue to thrive and grow, you
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: need kids playing the game, which means the game needs
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to be safe enough that their parents feel comfortable putting
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: them in the game. And there's all sorts of ways
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: they do that. I coached out in the Junior Development
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: League for years, and that's a heads up league and
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: it's designed to teach kids to take the helmet out
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: of the play. And the reality of it is that
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: you've got to find a way to keep the game growing.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: And it doesn't grow necessarily at this level. It grows
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: at the grassroots level. So safety isn't just for NFL.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Safety is for the whole of football because what they
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: do at this level trickles down to what they do
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  Speaker 2: in college, high school, and Pop Warner.
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  Speaker 4: I think a good example we should look at as
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: well is like you have to change to keep your
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: league relevant. Baseball never changed for a very very long time,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: and they lost a lot of you know, they don't
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: have a lot of youth involvement that goes to that level.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: A lot of people play youth baseball but don't go
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: to the major league level from America, and there's a
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: lot less you know, just fans in general following baseball
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: that you know, used to. It's dying out a little bit.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: So you and they're trying to change that now, but
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: I think you really have to get ahead of things.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: And obviously, with all of the injuries that surround football,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: that's a main focus for them at this point. So
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: it's different, but hopefully headed in the correct direction with them.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Question number two for you, John today, it's going to
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: be Mike from the Azores writing in far away. Why
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: are the coach and general manager having such a hard
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: time bringing in that much needed veteran pass pass rusher?
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, Well, I don't know that they are. I mean,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know that they're having trouble with this. I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: don't know that they're actively looking for it, And I
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: don't know that they feel like it's this much needed
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: spot as much as maybe fans and observers do. There
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: are guys out there, I'm sure every day Trent and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Doug talk about, you know, the guys who are out there.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: How do the guys look? How do we feel? Again,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: this question sort of implied that they're on the phone
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out who to get in. I don't
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: think they're having trouble with it. I think they're just
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: waiting until A they believe they want it. B. There
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: is a point with the veterans who are out there
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: where their price will be more palpable to what teams
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: want to pay. And I think they're waiting for that
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: time and to decide if they really want to do
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: this or not. Because as Ryan, you know, it's easy
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: to say, well we have cap space. Well you have
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: cap space, but anything you spend now affecting in the future,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: see yourself to be smart with it.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Why rush? There's no reason to do it today, right,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's get.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Guy hanging around. There's a reason they haven't been seking what.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: You've got, you know. I mean he's done nothing in
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: his first couple of years here, but Cavil and Chashun
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: has been all over the field, you know, running around.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: It looks like there's an awareness that he hasn't had.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: But let's see what he does, right, Let's see what
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you see Abdula does. Let's not have trouble, which why
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: bring it in when there's not a problem yet in
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: July and in August. If you have no pass rush,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: that's a problem. There are guys out there by the way,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Are they all signed somewhere else yet?
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Nope, they're hanging out.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: They're all still there, right, so there's there's plenty of options.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Let's let the problem become trouble and then find the solution.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Then there's no reason to do it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: Now, wait for a fire saily like that, maybe your
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: labor day something like that.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, a great pass rusher. You can plug him
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: in and he'll rush the passer and you'll be fine.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: He doesn't need to be here in OTAs. Let's let
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: some of these guys who are here figure themselves out,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: let the water find its own level, and then go
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: from there.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: All right, we'll have to see what they end up doing.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Our final question of the day for John is Chris
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: from Fleming Island says any additional insight into why the
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Jags changed kickers, specifically, anything deeper than they thought McManus
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: was just better.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: You talked a little bit about this, but go on, please, John,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: I knew.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: We'd already discuss this and this was a good closer
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: for the day. No, I mean they thought McManus was better. Look.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I like Riley Patterson a lot. I think he's got
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: a chance to be an established kicker in this league.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: He's not yet. And the best thing is when they
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: called him in, I was kind of watched to see
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: if we would go There are kickers in the league
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: where you sort of say, you assume they're gonna make it.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Riley wasn't quite there yet. I think they believe that
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: McManus is closer to that. You know the feeling I'm
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: talking about, Brian, I do, where you just don't worry
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: about the kicker. With Riley, you still kind of watched
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: it to make sure he wasn't quite there yet. They
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: had a chance to bring a guy that they feel
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: is there already, simple as that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I thought, how many kickers are there in the league
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: that you would think are absolutely rock solid where they're at.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Kickers move kickers. I mean Brian Barker when he was
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: our punter here in the early years, he talked about
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: how many stops he he did so semi pro football time, right,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: These guys need time on task to perfect themselves, and
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: they move around a lot. If you go and look
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: at the trajectory of most kickers, you know they're here
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: a year, they are two years. The Justin Tuckers of
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: the world are rare. You hope to find that guy,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: and until you do, you move and work. And we
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: had Scolbie here for a number of years, because he
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: was a really good kicker. Right, You want to find
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: that guy that you have that kind of confidence in
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Riley Patterson's not there yet, but he's back to Detroit
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: and he'll get an opportunity to prove himself again. He
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: may have to move from Detroit to Minnesota, to Tampa
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to la and you know, finally get a shot in
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Carolina whatever. I mean, He'll keep fighting for it. But
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: until then, the Jags can't. They can't ride that up
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: and down with a kicker that they watch in the
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: practice field and think it's just not there.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: And when you have such a good team and what
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: they're building right now. You don't want to scrimp with
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: the kicker. You want to get the best veteran presence
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: you have and really trust that guy when he goes
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: out there to do his job exactly that we're going
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: to come right back with us. We'll have a little
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: bit more recap of what we're looking at this week
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: and what's coming up for you, so stay with us. So,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: as I mentioned, OTA is about halfway done at the
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: end of today, So I think a lot of focus
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: for us, or at least for me, is kind of
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: is Doug seeing everything he needs to see?
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Is he going to cancel Mini camp again?
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: Did you guys kind of get that feeling from Doug
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: as well as long as everything was in place that
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: that might be an option.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I think he set the expectation level right in here, yes,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: and in the locker room for sure. There's an energy
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: out there on those OTAs. I think these guys know
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: that if they get the work done, that most of
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: them will be going home after next week and getting
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: on with their summer. You know, what he did do
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: last year was have the rookies and some young veterans.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: You know, guys, who were at the bottom of the
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: roster fighting for those last spots. He brought them in
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: and gave them a chance to work. I mean I
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: would I haven't asked him, but I would imagine that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: that's what he's gonna end up doing.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: He'd be surprised that the veterans are here the last week.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: I think Doug also has the respect and handle on
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the team where if after three weeks he says, you
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: know what, there's X number of things we still need
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to get done, I'm sure he'd say that in the
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: team meeting and say, look, we got to work on this.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Isn't this guy, I'll be ready for this, and I'm
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: sure that would be, you know, accepted. I think he
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: has the trust and respect to these players enough to
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: handle it either way. But I'm with you, I would
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: think it would be minimal veteran participation in that last week.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: The one thing he did say though, that made me
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: think about it was when he said that it was
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: his job to make sure that they took that next
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: step right. Yep. He said that in his news conference
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: last Monday that he had to make sure that it
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: was a playoff team and ready to go. So I
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: think his standard is very high. He's not just looking
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: to see a lot. Are they here and are they
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: energetic and are they you know, he's making sure that
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the little details are getting done. But yeah, as a
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: former player himself and a guy who had to fight
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: for his spot on the roster every year, I think
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: he understands that late July early August.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Matters, and a man that loves ice cream parties, he
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: it definitely understands that you put that ahead of people that.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: They would deliver.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Doesn't love an ice cream party.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: It's just pure joy. Ice cream party cancel Mini camp
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: is exactly what the players want to hear. But that's
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: pretty much what we got going on this week. We're
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: gonna keep a eye on everything for you and we'll
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: see you guys in June on our next drive time.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us. We'll see you soon.