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Big Black · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's the program, the podcast where we try to get you into a
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band. That's right.
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We've done all the work for you. All you have to do is press play
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and listen. And my name is Justin.
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You could call me band curious because I like to talk to my
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friends about reasons why they're into bands.
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In today's band we are talking about Big Black and I believe
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John this got bumped up the list.
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You know, the reason was twofold.
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You know, a lot of times we do things for quick turn around
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like just 'cause there wasn't a lot of music.
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But I think it kind of came up in conversation when we had lost
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Steve Albini. So talk to me about about Big
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Black and and why you felt like we should I Is this like one of
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the ones you put on your initial list?
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I don't think so. I think this was a little more
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recent, but hey, I, I always, I'd always just thought that you
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guys have already done it because I know you're a big
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Albanian guy. Like we always talk about like I
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think the third episode I was ever on was Hillack that we, we
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talked about and we go back and forth like, you know, I, I
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didn't know you were a big Showack guy.
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And we talked about and like ever since it's been like, Oh
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yeah, of course, like the album came out fantastic.
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And then when we when Steve passed, I was thinking about it
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and I was like, Oh yeah, like I don't think like obviously there
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there's other bands that he was part of the probably don't have
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enough material, but I was I got big Black has they had three and
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four records of that. We could do that.
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So I looked and it hadn't been done.
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So I was like, and I and I think I'd ask, I was like, oh, are you
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familiar with him? And you're like, yeah, I'm not
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really. So part of it was like to get
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this other one of his bands on your radar to see what you
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think, 'cause it's, it's a different vibe than than Shellac
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and a lot of other stuff that was going on at the time.
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But yeah, they're just, they're one of those bands that like, I
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think they were in our band to do Your life and that got them a
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little bit, but they're always kind of forgotten about.
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When you talk about those like early 80s underground bands,
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people just kind of don't talk about them as much as they do
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with like Down toward Junior and Minor Threat and the Minutemen
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and you know, Black Flag and all these other bands.
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But they were just as important to to the music that they
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weren't like so many bands influenced by by Blue Black,
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like that industrial thing that they were doing and just the
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abrasiveness and talk about, you know, that's what we did.
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Like we've about like that's goes back to Big Black as well.
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Like see their DNA and a lot of stuff.
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Yeah, that's crazy. Is the second you said that that
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clicked, Like it didn't click until literally just then.
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So again, I love these conversations because stuff like
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that kind of escapes my mind. Like my my initial thought was
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that industrial thing. Like my my initial thought was,
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you know, I could see the connective tissue to like how he
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would produce Nirvana. The second you said it, I was
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like, Oh yeah, Mets. I mean, you know, that's not
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that far of a jump, but I guess to that point, you know,
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bringing up Mets and we talked about Albini, you know, several
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times, Andrew, like it is it really that direct?
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Like is it just that simple big black Albini Mets?
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You're you're just a fan. So the thing with with this fan,
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like I've, I've always been an Albini fan and I've always, but
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more so with what he does as like a curator, like with other
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bands when he produces their music.
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And like I, I've been familiar with Big Black and I've listened
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to Big Black, but it's always been more just like in passing.
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And when I had seen Big Black on the list, I was like, oh fuck
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yeah. Like Al Beanie bands.
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I'll, you know, I like the songs that I've I've heard by Big
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Black. You know, I'll give it a go.
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So then we we do the deep dive. And if I'm being completely
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honest, the deep dive on this band was, was difficult.
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I had a hard time. The music is it's.
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Challenging music? Yeah.
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It is very hard to listen to for two hours a day for two weeks
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straight. Like just going through the
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discography, it's trimming and thinning and trying to get it
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down and like these like there is I, I know I'm not selling it,
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but. Like.
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There are no hooks like there's there's there's a couple hooks
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like, you know, it's it's just like so anti music and you know,
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that's exactly what I would have been looking for 20 years ago.
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It like, yeah, it it was challenging.
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I got 20 and all 20 of my songs I do enjoy.
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There's probably 10 to 12 songs on my list that I that I love.
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Like they're great, great songs. God damn.
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Like 70 or whatever. How many songs or what?
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I can't remember how many songs there was in the discography,
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but it was it was tough. It's it's abrasive, man.
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Like, it is not. It ain't pretty.
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Like, lyrically, musically, it is ugly.
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It is like, you know, getting a good hard look at everything
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that's bad about society and humanity.
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You know, abrasive was the word that that was coming to my my
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mind. Like as you were talking, I was
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like, yes, abrasiveness. At the risk of sounding naive,
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John, I'd almost kind of what we know about Steve by design, the
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abrasiveness. Yeah, I think and part of it too
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is just wanting to just put the middle finger everything around
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you just for the hell of it, right.
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Like you think of this was happening in the early 80s and
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like, yes, there was there was underground music, but also
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there's Duran Duran and John Cougar Mellencamp and Prince and
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like Michael Jackson and all this stuff.
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It's so weird that this is happening at this at the same
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time as that stuff. Like, and he was so like
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detached, like being in Chicago and like talk about, you know,
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minor threat to DC. Like they had a whole scene of
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bands there, Black Flag in LA, whole ton of bands and like and
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Albini was kind of like there weren't a lot of other bands
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doing this, if at all, like European bands.
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Maybe like was punk bands. But like he had to find a guy
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from Naked Ray Guns, Jeff Fazzotti and just like had to
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put this thing together like with a drum machine and be like,
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and they're tip for him to have this vision in 1981 be like,
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yeah, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the hardest, darkest thing going
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when all this other stuff is happening.
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I think even you, I think even people who like punk, like
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hardcore kids or punk rock kids who like who like live by that
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early stuff. You play big black.
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It's like, Nah, it's a little too much for me.
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Like they you have to have like a really patient here and you
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have to really like sit with the stuff to get like the what he's
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really going for because it is it is not meant for like popular
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mass appeal. There's It gets real dark.
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I guess to that point, like to into further Andrew's point for
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something like this, like theoretically absolutely not
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designed for this, but talk about, you know, how you plucked
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out your 20 for this one, John, Like is there a different
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approach knowing that it's it that this is very different?
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Yeah, I mean, I probably had four or five that I knew.
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OK. Like those are the
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quintessential big black songs that I know need to be on there.
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But then like a lot of the stuff I you know, I heard it could be
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somewhere and out here one of their records back.
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I didn't own a lot of their stuff for a long time.
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Like come back and like, OK, let me like sit down with Atomizer,
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just listen to it. Like just digging in and like
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finding out what like trying to get, I think trying to find the
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most like what what would turn into like what he would do with,
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you know, great man and shellac and things like that.
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Where that stuff that that's kind of what what it is when you
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get these early like Seminole bands, you want to see what they
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were doing that led to what happened later.
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Like give me give me the thing that unlocked the the next
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thing. So it also, yeah, but also just
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like give me the most abrasive, the most like, fuck you like,
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yeah, that that's what we do on this as well.
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So Andrew, you already talked about, you know, it being
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abrasive and and hard to do like the the two hours to to listen
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to it and kind of whittle down talk to me about that process.
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Like what what did you gravitate towards?
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What ended up making on on your list?
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So the, the full length and a couple of the EPS were what I
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got into the most. Like there's, I think there's a
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couple EPS that I don't have a single song off of, but then
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there's, there's one that I, I have every song off of too, or
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almost every song. I I feel like I enjoyed the
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later stuff better because I think it did have that is where
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you start to see a little bit of hooks and musicality and just
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something that's going to something that's going to be
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memorable about a song, something like an ear worm, you
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know, Whereas, you know, if you go back to like longs, like
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there's no ear worms, It's just like droning repetition, like
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guitar riffs that you can't, oh, what note they're playing
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because the guitar tone is just like sounds like someone's like
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rattling like a, a sheet pan or something.
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Like it's so any and like, but yeah, no, I, I, I feel like a, a
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lot of the musicality starts to kind of shine through the
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further they got on. And then, you know, as soon as
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they I, I, you know, I feel like as soon as they put out a record
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that I'd like more memorable, like songs, individual songs
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that you can, you know, distinguish from one another, I
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think that's when they just kind of gave up and we're like, all
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right, we're done. Fuck it.
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We've, we've gone too far Like we, we, we have, we've got like
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a little bit catchy here. And I think, you know, I feel
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like that's probably why they, I don't really know their history,
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but I feel like that's probably why they threw in the towel.
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They're like, oh, we've, we've accomplished what we wanted to
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accomplish. And then obviously he went on
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to, you know, do the lack all the work that he did, all the
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great work that he did. So my my time with this band was
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very similar to how you just explained it, Andrew.
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Like I definitely, I definitely gravitated towards songs about
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fucking the most like easily. There was definitely stuff early
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on that I I enjoyed that I was able to kind of latch on to.
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You know, I use that kind of loosely.
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But I think I think the thing that kind of makes those early
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things click into place now for me is the part that I didn't
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know was the 1981 part. I think, I think that does
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change how I view, you know, I'll, I'll have to see like in a
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future listening to some of these things if it changes how I
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hear the songs. But it does change how I feel
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about them, how I think about them.
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Because knowing that that's happening and for some reason I,
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I had it, you know, late 90s or late 80s, early 90s, like I had
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it tighter grouped with because I, I don't know the timeline
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rape man's after this and then shellacs after that.
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For some reason I had it tighter packed knowing that this is this
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is happening. You know, like John said earlier
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underneath Prince and Michael Jackson and and all that other
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stuff in the 80s definitely makes makes me understand what
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is happening there in those early things a little bit more.
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But I think ultimately my list kind of shakes out the same way
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you were describing Andrew. I think I did try to take
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something from everything, but I think songs about fucking had a
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lot on 1st pass. I think there was an EP that had
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everything at one point. I think I had a good dose of
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atomizer as well initially on 1st pass.
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But it I tried not to overthink it because for two reasons.
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This is music that you shouldn't like, you shouldn't overthink.
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You have to sit with it, but you shouldn't overthink overthink
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it. So like, I try not to overthink
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the cuts. I tried to go with, you know,
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first gut instinct on the first pass and then second gut
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instinct on the second pass and kind of came out with 20 that I,
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you know, it. This list is only 48 songs, so
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it's possible that that, you know, we could just knock it out
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of the park. I don't know, John, like it it
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it does sound like we're all saying kind of different things
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and we all kind of took in the band.
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You know, Andrew and I kind of took it in the same the same
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way. But do you how do you think that
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effects for the final say, like what gets through unanimously?
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What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think, you know,
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the the math is there, you know, to hear with 48 songs to be
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like, OK, the the three of us are gonna we're gonna have some
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overlap. But with a band like this, it's
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different because it's so like, it's almost like outsider music,
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right? It's so abrasive.
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And so it's not like pop music where you're listening for like
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the hooks, you know, you know, like Andrew said, they they do
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appear later, but, you know, it's far between.
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That's not what this is about. So I don't think we're gonna hit
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a huge number. I'm going to say 5.
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OK, Yeah. I mean, 5's respectable.
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What do you think, Andrew? Yeah, I just where it's all kind
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of so like all over the place. I think we could get we could
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end up with a lot of like differing a list.
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I don't know. I'm I am going to go one higher,
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I'll go 6. OK, very respectable because it
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it feels like this is a this, this is a band that could go
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either way. This feels like it could be a
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complete disaster, like we could get like almost nothing, like we
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somehow all managed to find three different corners of the
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discography. Or it could be, I just mentioned
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don't overthink. Maybe all three of us didn't
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overthink and we just knock it out of the park.
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You guys kind of you guys covered the middle pretty well.
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So I I'm going to air on the side of positivity and I'm going
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to go with eight. That gives me a little wiggle
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room over Andrew and as I mentioned, I don't know, you
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know, we'll see we'll see how it goes.
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All right, we're going to take a quick pause and when we come
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back, we're going to play the game Jack.
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It's the programmed. And with that, the name of the
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game is Deprogram. The three of us have come
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through the Big Black discography in an attempt or and
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pluck out 20 songs that we are now going to mash together in an
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attempt to create a top 10 surrogate for you.
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In case you have never given Big Black the time of day, here's
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something I failed to say. I meant to say several times.
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And I want to say it here because I, I feel like this
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needs to be said into a microphone.
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The, the biggest problem you already solved for me, John, is
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that that tidbit about 1981, because I feel like going into
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this and you didn't do this, but like people prior like have done
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this to me. Like when we've talked about
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shellac and have said, we'll wait till you hear Big Black.
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Oh my God, it's going to blow your mind.
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And I guess technically it did, but not in the way they're
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thinking because it doesn't Big Black doesn't really hit the
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sense same the sense the sensibilities that shellac hits
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for me. So like, I think people saying
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Big Black is going to blow your mind doesn't do what you think
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it's going to do. I think you just kind of, if you
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let them kind of listen to it without, without anything, I I
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think it does the band a lot more justice.
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So. That said, I always like when a
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band does the thing and I'm going to do the thing.
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How about steel worker? No, I don't have it.
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No. No, all right.
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I like I like getting set up with OK, I know what's going on
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here. So steel worker is a no John
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all. Right, let's go with Jordan,
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Minnesota. Yes.
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Yeah, I got it. I don't even know.
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Yeah, I don't even know what to say.
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Like as far as, oh, I didn't expect that one because I don't
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know which ones to expect. I have no idea which ones are
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going to hit. Usually I have kind of like a
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sense of, Oh, yeah, this is kind of like one of the ones.
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All right, boom, boom, boom. Jordan, Minnesota is in.
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Come on, computer. Keep up with me.
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Adam or Adam, Andrew. Too many a names.
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I'm going to go with one off one of the early ones, Bulldozer
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that's. Did you say Texas?
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Texas, yeah. I got it.
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I do not. All right, we'll take that two
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there twos are invaluable on on a panel like this.
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Well, I say that we're only one round through who knows all
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right, so we've kind of covered a couple things here.
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Lungs, bulldozer, atomizer. I'll move on to racer X and I'll
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take the title track. How about Racer?
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XI do not have that. I do.
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Yeah, right. That's yeah, I, I how I
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mentioned there's an EP that I have every song off of except
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for one. The one that was the one you
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were thinking of, Yeah. I think I don't have on racer
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act. All right, it.
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Was a late cut. It was a late cut.
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I I think the reason I cut it was because I was like, damn, I
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can't have a whole album on my list.
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I got to. I got to get one off.
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Yeah. And try to like spread it out a
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bit. All right, we'll take a two
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there though. Twos.
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Twos are good, John. Let's stick with the track once.
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How about the power of independent tracking?
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Yes. Hell yeah.
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Hey, here we go. You know, I don't want to like
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belabor this point, but like, by the time we're getting there,
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like this is where all the tough ones are.
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Because, you know, I think you said it perfectly, Andrew.
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Like the musicality is starting to kick in and it's like, I
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understand that that's not what they're going for, but that's
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also what I'm going to be drawn to like.
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Musicality is in quotes there. Yes, yes, for sure.
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Like like the semblance of of songs, you know, like it.
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It's musicality in quotes, as you mentioned, while still doing
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what they were doing so in. The sense that there's a verse
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in the chorus, yes. Right.
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Yes, yes. Semblance of song.
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There we go. All right.
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Boom. Independent.
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The power of independent trucking is in Andrew.
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I'm going to stay on Songs about fucking and goes bad Penny.
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No. No, unfortunately.
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Yeah, I know. And I thought that one would be
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a slam dunk. Just goes to show you man, like
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I just don't know where they are on this band.
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Gross. All right, wait, this one is in
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one 2-3 and so is this 1123? Trot out a bulldozer track?
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How about cables? Yeah, I got it.
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Yeah. Hey, all right, that's another
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Track 1, isn't it? Not purposefully, I mind you.
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I did not pick all the track ones purposefully, but I'll be
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damned, they sure seem to do those as well, right?
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Cables is in John all. Right.
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How about back to lungs? Let's go with dead Billy.
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Yeah, I got it. No, twos are good.
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Twos are good. All right, Andrew, Go.
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Back to Eraser act we're stuck on.
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Yes, Hey, I'm just like that order.
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We're at 4 still pretty early on.
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Like I said, this could this could go either way, couldn't
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it? All right.
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Shift this shotgun is in. I'll try another.
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Lungs tracked. How about I can be killed?
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I do not have that one. Oh, oh, for two on my my lungs
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picks. All right, John.
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The Ugly American. Use.
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Race her X. Yeah, I got it.
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Yeah, all right, Ugly American is in.
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And just like that, sitting at John's five with a reasonable
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amount of gameplay left Andrew. Let's go with kerosene from
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advisor. That must have been a late pick
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because I all I wanted to say yes like immediately, but I
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don't. I've got it.
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Hey, there we go 22 Hmm, let's see,
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I'll try this one. How about from?
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How about grinder? Nope.
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No. OK, woof.
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I am. I am.
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There's like no in between for me it seems.
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All right, John. Left Stitch Fry.
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Yes. No, I don't have that.
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Let's take a two there. Actually, when you said that, I
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was like thinking to myself, they have a song called Ink Fish
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Fry. They do.
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They do indeed. Yeah.
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They do indeed take a two there and I think we just cleared NTP.
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Yep. All right, Andrew.
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See Seth. Oh no.
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Say it again, Sir. Seth from Bulldozer.
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From. Bulldozer, I was listening to
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that one just before we went on and as always, you know, I
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wanted to find a place for it. But who wants to do the last
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minute work like that? It's it's rare.
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All right, let me give a count of what I got left here.
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123456789 OK, we got a couple more rounds in US, I think.
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Let me try. How about L period DOPA?
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Yeah, I got it. Yeah.
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Hey, there we go. I feel bad because now John
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officially loses again, but. No, we're fine.
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I've actually won a couple recently.
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I'm doing all right. Yeah, I feel like you've evened
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out this. Well, we're recording this in
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2025, but this comes out in 2026.
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All right, let me scoot this up to the top.
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I think I forgot one. Yeah, I did.
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That's all right. L Dopa is in.
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How about John? All right, still got a couple of
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ones from lungs, so let's try crack.
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No. I don't have it, but you know,
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if somebody clicked clip that one out.
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Let's try crack. Yeah, sometimes you got to go
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with it. Yeah, Yeah.
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All right, Andrew. I feel like we still got a
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couple slam dunks on songs. Wrote fucking dough with
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Colombian necktie. Yes.
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No, that was late. I'll take it to you there.
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We got ourselves a bit of a conversation.
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Going forward. Let's test that theory.
31:37
How about from songs about fucking as well?
31:40
The model. Yes.
31:46
No. Wow, OK.
31:49
Those are the two that I thought were going to be slam dunks.
31:54
All right, are there slam dunks with this band?
31:59
Right. Like, all right, we'll get those
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twos shuffled out. And John?
32:09
I'll stick on that record about Kitty Empire.
32:14
No. No, I don't have it all.
32:22
Right, Andrew? From atomizer passing
32:30
complexion. Yes.
32:36
No. John playing spoiler.
32:40
All right, I'll stay on Atomizer.
32:46
How about 2026? It's a new year doing just
32:49
things. I'll stay on atomizer.
32:53
How about strange things? I don't have.
32:57
That one no. And.
32:59
Again, the nowhere in between, at least the on the ones I'm
33:03
putting forward. All right, John all.
33:10
Right. Feel like we did pretty good on
33:13
Race Direct, so let's go back to that.
33:15
How about sleep? No.
33:18
Yeah, I got it. It's like one of the few I don't
33:20
have off of Racer. XI knew Andrew was going to
33:24
happen. Yeah, you got to play the odds.
33:27
You got to play the odds. Yeah.
33:30
All right, Andrew. Stay on Racer X.
33:36
Deep 6 What's the other one I don't have I.
33:42
Got it. Hey, there you go.
33:45
Take the two there. Now this conversation is looking
33:48
hairy. We had all these ones in here,
33:51
but now the conversation is looking rough.
33:56
And I think we're we're getting to that time one.
34:02
I already did that one. Yeah, I only have 3 left.
34:06
At 6:00. I got 4.
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All right, I'll just start at the top then.
34:13
How about RIP from lungs? Yeah, I got it.
34:19
Hey. Yeah, me too.
34:22
Hey, I mean, again, it's hard to say I didn't expect it because I
34:28
don't think I really expected any of them.
34:31
But getting getting on here this late in the game did not expect
34:41
boom. All right, how about pigeon
34:49
kill? Nah, like cut.
34:55
I do have that one. All right, take a two there.
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And last but not least, off of Bulldozer as well.
35:04
I'm a mess. No.
35:08
No. Oh shoot, I'm sorry, I have one
35:11
more. I'll take that one off Eraser X.
35:14
The big payback. Yeah, I got it.
35:19
No. All right, that means we are
35:24
going to round out with 7, which means none of us are going to
35:28
win, which means we've got to work our way to 10.
35:33
Let me shift this around. I think we cleared a couple of
35:38
years out there, John. You should only have a couple
35:40
left, right? Yes, we got four.
35:43
I got stinking drunk. Yeah, I got it.
35:49
I got ready, man. No.
35:54
I got heartbeats. No.
35:59
And my last one is Ergo ergo. That is also my last one.
36:04
Hey, all right, so that means we don't need another jump out.
36:10
There we go. We'll let's get it done.
36:13
We had a lot of twos. We got a lot of twos.
36:17
Which looking at my list I've got 11 that I 2 Don.
36:23
That's crazy. So let me run down these seven
36:28
that we got in. We're we've got everything
36:31
pretty well covered too. So we've got Jordan, Minnesota,
36:34
the Power of Independent Trucking Cables, Shotgun, the
36:37
Ugly American, L Dopa, and RIP. So we've got three spots.
36:47
I'll run it right down. Texas Racer X, Dead Billy,
36:52
Kerosene Fish Fry, Columbian Necktie, the Model, Passing
36:57
Complexion, Sleep Deep 6 Pigeon, Kill, the Big Payback, Stinking
37:03
Drunk, and Ergot. So we get three of those.
37:09
Let me see, we've got 2 from Racer X already and two from
37:15
songs about fucking. I don't know if that is going to
37:18
weigh in here at all, but is there anything kind of jumping
37:21
out at you immediately, John? Yeah, I think Dead Billy, even
37:28
though we have ripped from lungs, I would say Dead Billy
37:35
and Kerosene be the first two to jump out.
37:39
Let's see. I mean, I was the odd man out
37:42
there. If you're in agreement, Andrew,
37:45
I mean, you've got both of those.
37:48
We can put both. Yeah, I I was going to say
37:51
kerosene, Colombian necktie and probably dead Billy, to be
37:55
honest. All right, so I mean, do we just
37:59
I? Can live with that.
38:00
Yeah, let's just do that. Let's make this simple because
38:04
that's that's two that I was out on and one that John was out on.
38:11
So let's. I think Carotene was a quote UN
38:14
quote single, like I think they had a music video for that.
38:17
So I think a felt like that was a strong song of theirs or maybe
38:24
the opposite. Maybe they just wanted to
38:26
subject people. To something horrible, right?
38:30
Who knows All right, so we we're at 10.
38:33
Let's run this down real quick and then we'll crank up the heat
38:36
and and try to figure this out. Jordan, Minnesota the power of
38:39
independent trucking cables. Shotgun the ugly American L dopa
38:43
RIP dead Billy kerosene Colombian necktie.
38:47
John. This feels like I I honestly
38:54
don't have anything going in the clubhouse.
38:57
What do you think is the one here?
39:01
Yeah, there's a couple. I mean, let's be honest, none of
39:04
these songs are going to get picked in at the end of these.
39:06
We can kind of, we kind of have free reign to do whatever we
39:09
want here. I love Kerosene.
39:13
It's one of favorite songs of theirs.
39:16
But I think Jordan Minnesota is like the big black song.
39:21
OK. I mean, you know, it was the
39:24
first one we got all the way through.
39:26
Andrew, do you do you agree? Jordan, MN.
39:30
Yeah, I I would have gone that or our of independent trucking
39:36
one of those two or kerosene Yeah, I'm good with either any
39:42
of those let's. Yeah, let's make it simple.
39:46
Let's go with Jordan Minnesota. We'll we'll agree with the guy
39:49
who? Who knows?
39:52
Yeah. The the two of us kind of came
39:54
into them. So Jordan Minnesota is going to
39:56
be our number one. Let me get that up and running
39:58
underneath us and then we'll wrap her on up again.
40:04
Jordan Minnesota is our number one.
40:07
The power of independent trucking cables shotgun, the
40:10
ugly American L dopa, RIP dead Billy Kerosenic Columbian
40:14
necktie round out our 10. Let's why is this playing the
40:19
wrong song? Don't do that.
40:20
Play the right one. There you go, Jordan, Minnesota.
40:24
Let's let Jordan, Minnesota get a moment in the sun.
40:29
Nothing like a song about both speech.
40:39
There we go. We have done it.
40:43
Maybe, maybe we've turned you. I mean, this is for a very
40:48
specific subset of people. Like I feel like maybe we didn't
40:55
upsell, but I also feel like Steve wouldn't want us to.
41:01
Like I don't know if that like I love this for what it is and if
41:06
you can accept a band for what the band is, just give this a
41:11
go. It's two hours, 12 minutes.
41:14
As Andrew said, I probably wouldn't intake all of it at the
41:17
same time. Start with one and see how you
41:20
feel and then take the rest in or the whole purpose of the
41:25
show. Just listen to our list and if
41:27
you like this list, then the two out two hours 12 minutes,
41:31
whatever it is, 2 hours 20 won't feel that bad.
41:35
Man, I, I really feel like we're upset, but it it should be noted
41:40
that the abrasiveness is part of this and it it's a.
41:45
Feature not a bug. Right.
41:47
So if you feel kind of uncomfortable, that's kind of
41:50
the point. So you kind of have to you kind
41:55
of have to sit with that. So here we've done it.
42:01
We've turned you on to Bing Black.
42:02
Hopefully. If not, that's OK.
42:04
If you're a big black fan, feel free to jump in the comments and
42:09
and let us know what you would have done differently.
42:11
Go like which songs could have would have made your list.
42:15
Any way you want to do that would be appreciated because
42:18
let's be real, the algorithm is how the show grows and you
42:22
interacting with the show is how the algorithm sees me.
42:26
So it would be appreciated if you would do that.
42:29
Sharing is also caring, of course.
42:31
So we are podcast sharing, commenting, liking, subscribing,
42:37
all that stuff is super helpful. But to me, honestly, the, the
42:41
best way is by telling somebody that you listen to the show,
42:43
Hey, I'll listen to Deprogrammed and you should too.
42:46
And with that, big Black learn them and loving people.
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We'll see you next week. Goodbye.