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- 0:01This is the smart buildings Academy podcast with Phil Zito
- 0:05episode 460. Hey folks, Phil Zito here, welcome to episode
- 0:09460 of the smart buildings Academy podcast. In this
- 0:14episode, we are going to be continuing our technician
- 0:17onboarding series. And we're going to be talking about
- 0:21building automation system input types last wins, stay, we talked
- 0:25about building automation systems in general. And over the
- 0:30next couple sessions, we're going to be going through input
- 0:32types, output types and the different tiers of the
- 0:34architecture. Then we're gonna move into electrical, then we're
- 0:37going to move into h vac, and then we're going to talk about
- 0:39some basic building automation functionality. As always,
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- 2:05Like I said, today we're gonna be going through a lot of stuff,
- 2:07we're going to start off with a PowerPoint, I'm going to double
- 2:10check that audio is coming in good. And on both LinkedIn and
- 2:16get on YouTube. And sounds good on Linked In. So let's get
- 2:25started building automation system input types. By the time
- 2:29you finish today's session, you're going to understand the
- 2:33common types of inputs. And identify the requirements of
- 2:37different input types, we're going to look at logical and
- 2:40physical inputs, we're going to look at a specification, how to
- 2:43read it, and then how to identify inputs, actually, what
- 2:48type of sensors and devices you need to purchase. And we're
- 2:52going to talk about the logical inputs and what those are and
- 2:54what they entail. There's two primary types of inputs, I do
- 2:59recognize that these are called different things by different
- 3:03organizations. So I will do my best to be agnostic in the
- 3:08naming, do realize that depending on the vendor, they
- 3:11may be called different things. So please do give me some grace.
- 3:16If I do not use the exact term that you would use. It's just
- 3:21because there's so many different terms to calling
- 3:24things in this industry, unfortunately. So I tried to be
- 3:27as generic as possible, there's two primary types of inputs. And
- 3:31those two primary types of inputs are going to be the
- 3:36physical Oops, here we go. We hit that real quick, the
- 3:41physical and the logical inputs. And the physical inputs are
- 3:48inputs that physically exists to connect the device to the
- 3:51building automation system. These are going to be things
- 3:54like your temperature sensors, like your pressure sensors, your
- 3:58current switches, your current sensing relays, logical inputs
- 4:02are inputs that exist only in software to provide data and or
- 4:06settings for the building automation system. So this may
- 4:09actually represent a physical input that you get gather from
- 4:14maybe a chiller, or an air handler via BACnet or Modbus, or
- 4:18lon integration or, you know, MQ TT integration that's popular
- 4:24nowadays. But at the end of the day, where you're looking at
- 4:29them, they are logical, you are not physically connecting to
- 4:32that chilled water supply temp. The chiller is actually
- 4:35connecting to it and it is interpreting it in its
- 4:39microcontrollers and sending it across some sort of
- 4:43communication bus to you and so the input you're seeing is
- 4:48logical. So those exist, like I said, to provide data and or
- 4:52settings for the building automation system. Alright,
- 4:56there's got to be a way to turn off this pointer so I don't have
- 4:59to Keep going back to Slide Master. Let's see, we're just
- 5:05going to do the mouse cursor because it's easier for me
- 5:08rather than getting the pointer every time. And the grabbing the
- 5:11pointer just distracts me. We see right here, the input
- 5:16portion of a disk controller, we see resistive voltage, current
- 5:20contact and pulse, are the most common physical inputs. There
- 5:24are other physical inputs. But these are the most common ones
- 5:27we're going to run into, may give you a representation of
- 5:31these. So there's resistive inputs, of which there's,
- 5:34there's really three types. There's thermistors, are TDs,
- 5:38and thermocouples. We're going to focus in on thermistors. And
- 5:42resistive temperature diodes are our TDs of the thermistors.
- 5:48There's a NTC. And PTC, you could argue that for RTDs, some
- 5:52of those have NTC. And PTC does negative temperature coefficient
- 5:56and positive temperature coefficient, we can see a
- 5:59negative temperature coefficient right here. Actually, is this a
- 6:04positive 1am? I reading this backwards? I do not like this
- 6:07chart. No, no, no. I'm reading this right. Right. As resistance
- 6:11goes down, temperature goes up. Yeah, negative. I'm not good
- 6:15with math folks. Forgive me. NEGATIVE TEMPERATURE Kozik. A
- 6:19coat efficient. If I could speak, you think I could after
- 6:24this many podcasts. As the resistance goes up, the
- 6:28temperature goes down. And as the resistance goes down, the
- 6:31temperature goes up, you will most commonly see negative
- 6:36temperature coefficient used with temperature sensors,
- 6:40although you will see positive temperature coefficients
- 6:42occasionally negative temperature coefficients are the
- 6:46most common. We can see, however, that when it comes to
- 6:51our sensors, not only is there different types, thermistors
- 6:55RTDs, thermocouples. And each one has their benefits, and
- 6:59their cons. There's also what we'll see here, different types
- 7:05of sensing elements. The most common sensing elements are
- 7:09nickel or platinum, but there is copper, I don't run into it in
- 7:12specs very often. So what you'll see is that the platinum one has
- 7:17a more predictive curve across a wider temperature span. Whereas
- 7:22you see, nickel kinda has a less predictable curve, it starts to
- 7:28tilt right when you get into this high temperature range, but
- 7:31let's be real outside of Steam, we're not dealing with a lot of
- 7:37things that require us to be less than zero Celsius unless
- 7:42you're doing like ice storage or cold rooms, or you know,
- 7:46something greater than 200 Celsius unless you're doing
- 7:49steam or you know your gap. Basically, steam is the primary
- 7:54one I run into with it. Let's keep going. So resistive inputs,
- 7:58these are going to be a input that is used for temperature
- 8:03sensing, typically, I'm not going to get into constant
- 8:08resistance, but that is something you can use for
- 8:11different purposes. But that would just be confusing. voltage
- 8:15inputs. So this is an example of a electro pneumatic transducer.
- 8:21I use these all the time in a past life. And what it would do
- 8:25is based on a
- 8:28psi that it was reading, it would then go and send out an
- 8:34electrical signal. So this was a way to go and control or sorry,
- 8:40based on the electrical signal that was reading, it would send
- 8:43out a pneumatic control signal, typically between zero to 15
- 8:48psi. So the purpose of this was to take a pneumatic actuator and
- 8:56be able to control it with a direct digital control system.
- 9:00So as part of a pneumatic retrofit, those pneumatic
- 9:03actuators can be 1000s of dollars. And replacing them may
- 9:07not be feasible, and you may want to keep it for whatever
- 9:11reason, maybe you're using it with steam, maybe you're in a
- 9:13corrosive environment where you don't want electromechanical
- 9:16actuator. And I realize you don't know what actuators are
- 9:20yet. If you're a brand new technician, don't worry, we'll
- 9:22get to that in the H vac components. But what you would
- 9:26do is you would take a zero to 10 volt signal, usually it would
- 9:31come in right here. And that zero to 10 volt signal would be
- 9:35then converted transduced to a pneumatic signal. There's this
- 9:40little pump in here that would or there's a little valve in
- 9:44here that would regulate the control pneumatics signal or
- 9:50pneumatic air because there's main and then there's control.
- 9:55Main is your high pressure and control is typically your zero
- 9:59to 15 02 20 psi, this would be regulated by this transducer to
- 10:04thus control the, in this case, pneumatic actuator, or other
- 10:10systems depending on what you're doing voltage inputs, right. So
- 10:15this is taking a voltage input. So what I want to be clear on,
- 10:19because this is something people get kind of crossed on a little
- 10:23bit is that inputs are not just to your controller, they can
- 10:28also be to an end device. So as we'll see, in next week's
- 10:31episode on voltage outputs, a zero to 10 volt output from your
- 10:36controller could actually go to a zero to 10 volt input on a
- 10:41field device. So everything you learn about inputs and outputs
- 10:46can also be applicable to your actual control devices in the
- 10:52field. So I want you to kind of start to visualize, don't just
- 10:57be stuck on the controller actually think of your control
- 10:59devices, then we get to some current inputs. This is a
- 11:03humidity sensor, right, and we can see that this humidity
- 11:07sensor, this actually takes a power supply in series. So
- 11:13there's parallel and there's series. Typically, when you're
- 11:17doing four to 20 milliamp it's in series. Typically, when
- 11:22you're doing zero to 10 volts, it is in parallel how you're
- 11:27wiring it up or could be in series as well, it really just
- 11:31depends. Once again, multiple different manufacturers do this
- 11:36multiple different ways. Some of them source the control power
- 11:39from their controller, some of them, there's just a variety of
- 11:44things. So if I'm not teaching exactly what your product does,
- 11:48do be aware that there are a lot of different products in the
- 11:52market. Suffice to say, we can see the power supply going in
- 11:58powering the sensor, right, because this is current, not
- 12:02voltage. And if we remember from ohms law, which you have not
- 12:05learned yet, but you will in the electrical video that we will
- 12:08have upcoming probably a month from now that there is a
- 12:12relationship between current resistance and voltage called
- 12:16Ohms law. So as we pass through voltage, we can vary the
- 12:22resistance and allow the sensor to read the resistance on the
- 12:26line. And that will then give us this four to 20 milliamp,
- 12:31there's a reason we do resistance it provides less
- 12:36interference, it also provides us the ability to have a longer
- 12:40run. So if you have to run a sensor across the central plant,
- 12:44and there's a lot of electrical interference you may choose for
- 12:4620 plus four to 20 gives you some failover capabilities,
- 12:51which we'll talk about in a future episode. Then you have
- 12:55digital inputs, which are sometimes called contact inputs.
- 13:00They're sometimes called dry contacts. I prefer the term
- 13:05digital inputs. And the reason why is because my input, what
- 13:11I'm truly sensing here is two states. It's either open or
- 13:16closed, it's either on or off, I'm sensing a digital signal,
- 13:23I'm not sensing a resistive signal, I'm sensing a digital
- 13:26signal. The purpose of these would be things like current
- 13:29sensing relays, a current sensing relay would enable us to
- 13:33go and I realized this is the current transducer with a four
- 13:37to 20 output. But ignore that it was the best image I could find.
- 13:43So current sensing relay would sense current and then would
- 13:46close contacts based on that current to give status. And then
- 13:52you can actually set the current on that current syncing relay to
- 13:57a low enough current or to a high enough low enough to a low
- 14:02enough that it wouldn't be now hi, cheese men, I am awesome. I
- 14:08think it's the 45 minute run I did this morning, my brain is
- 14:11still a little wonky. So longest run I've done it in a while. So
- 14:15forgive me for that. You would set it higher so that it would
- 14:19actually show a load on the motor because if you had it trip
- 14:23at a low amount, you could have a free spinning fan, you know
- 14:27like the wheel or the belts broken and it's spinning and
- 14:30Charles just enough to trip the relay but not enough to show
- 14:34that it's actually running so on underload but suffice to say
- 14:39these digital inputs, not only current sensing relays These
- 14:43could be things like flow switches, pressors switches,
- 14:45etc. So you know the AFS series 460 I believe maybe 465 From
- 14:52Cleveland controls is the resettable pressure switch that
- 14:56is a dry icon or a digital input It's a two state input that
- 15:02comes into your control and gives you a status, then we have
- 15:06pulse points. We don't, I don't see these as much anymore. Maybe
- 15:10you all do a saw them both in the electrical world, I also saw
- 15:14them in the irrigation world. So a lot of irrigation and flow
- 15:18sensors would send pulses to tell you kind of what flow you
- 15:23are getting, you would also have electrical signals that would
- 15:28send you pulses. And based on the amplitude, and how often and
- 15:35how long the pulse was, it would represent either some sort of
- 15:40kilowatt demand kilowatt hours, and gallons per minute. And all
- 15:46of this is actually in the cut sheet for the sensor, it'll tell
- 15:49you and then when you go into your controller and set it up,
- 15:52you would actually set okay, what is a pulse mean? How long
- 15:56does it mean that and this gives you an ability to calculate
- 16:01either electrical or hydronic flow. Then we get into logical
- 16:07inputs. But before I do that, I actually want to switch screens
- 16:10real quick and show you something. Here we go. You
- 16:15should be seeing a specification now. And in this specification,
- 16:22I've focused us in here on this outside air, so this is Oregon
- 16:26State University's they call it a guide spec, but it seems to be
- 16:31for a specific project. What you see right here is humidity and
- 16:36temperature sensor 2% accuracy thin film capacitive capacitive
- 16:42replacement sensor element with replaceable sensor element with
- 16:47waterproof housing, 10k Ohm type two, and a two wire loop power
- 16:53four to 20 milliamp signal. So it looks like we are getting two
- 16:58signals 10k Ohm type two is a thermistor. It doesn't specify
- 17:03whether it's PTC or NTC. And it also says two wire loop powered
- 17:10four to 20 milliamp. So I'm assuming that that is meaning
- 17:18two things, one, four to 20 milliamp back to the controller
- 17:22for the humidity signal. And loop powered, is just showing
- 17:27kind of the electrical details I showed you a little bit earlier.
- 17:30So you're sitting there, you're reading the spec, you just got
- 17:33sent out to a job, you've got to go to Granger somewhere to pick
- 17:37up a sensor. How do you make sense of this? Well, the
- 17:41first thing, this is where we go back to those input types I just
- 17:44showed you, you have a resistive input. So the first thing I'm
- 17:47gonna do here is I'm gonna figure out what inputs do I
- 17:50need? Well, based on this, I need a resistive input, which is
- 17:5310k type two. And I also need a four to 20. Just through my own
- 17:58experience, I know that humidity being a linear scale of
- 18:03typically zero to 10 is typically, or sorry, zero to 100
- 18:08is typically zero to 10 volts DC, or two to 10 volts DC, or
- 18:12four to 20 milliamps. Those are the typical input signals to the
- 18:17controller, and then I scale match those to my humidity using
- 18:21like a reset or a scaler, whatever it's called in your
- 18:24control system. And then I also see my 10k type two, which I
- 18:29know is going to be a two wire resistive, and that's going to
- 18:32go to a resistive input on my controller. So from there, I
- 18:36would go to and for this, I'm going to be using Kelly right
- 18:41here. And I always feel like I'm pronouncing their name wrong.
- 18:44But I'm gonna go to their site. i We don't endorse any company,
- 18:51I just, they have a pretty easy site for me to navigate. I've
- 18:54ordered a lot of stuff through them. And but you know, your
- 18:58distributor or controls provider or parts warehouse of choice
- 19:04will most likely have the same equipment. But what I do here is
- 19:08I type in I typed in outdoor air humidity. And now I start
- 19:13looking at this trying to figure out what do I need, I know I
- 19:16need 2% accuracy. That's important. I know I need a tank
- 19:20a type two thermistor. And I also know I need a four to 20
- 19:24milliamp signal. So can I find any of these that have that? I'm
- 19:30going to just click on this one right here because it says 2%
- 19:33and I'm going to see what it has as far as capability. So it has
- 19:39a 10k type two thermistor Okay, great. That covers me for that.
- 19:44And it has a four to 20 milliamp output signal. I typically like
- 19:49to go and look at the actual manual itself, which I will
- 19:54bring up right here. Give me one second So 2% of K 10k, type two,
- 20:05so that's e. So I'm getting my part number here, I want four to
- 20:1020 milliamp This is universal, so two wire or three wire, and
- 20:14it also do zero to 10. If I didn't want the display, if I
- 20:18wanted to save money, I could do the X and not get the display. I
- 20:24verify that it's zero to 10, I verify that it's got
- 20:27temperature, I verify what I need for a power supply. If I'm
- 20:31going to do four to 20, I need a DC power supply. That's what I
- 20:35need. I go in here, verify my accuracy, okay. And everything
- 20:42looks good for what I need. And so now I've gone and I've
- 20:48figured out, alright, this is what I need based on that
- 20:52specification. So I hope at this point, you've seen me go and
- 20:57take what I know about my inputs, take what was in the
- 21:02specification, which I'm gonna bring up again, real quick. Here
- 21:07we go. Identify what I need. And you'll notice the sensor that I
- 21:14chose is not listed on here, but it says or equal. So that
- 21:19typically, not always, but typically, if it says or equal,
- 21:23that means that I can just substitute it in, I don't have
- 21:26to submit an ad alternate, I can typically just put that in some
- 21:34engineers of record or equal will mean they still want you to
- 21:38submit an ad alternate. So just your mileage will vary. Know
- 21:42your engineers know what they expect. This would be a good
- 21:46time, real quickly, though, to talk about two things. One, will
- 21:51be speaking at Niagara Summit. So if you're going to be at
- 21:54Niagara Summit, definitely stop in for our session on
- 21:58recruiting, training and retaining. So we're gonna have
- 22:03our director of business development, talk about our
- 22:06approach there as part of a panel. That will be on
- 22:10Wednesday, April 17, at 11am. And then we're also going to be
- 22:17doing an episode episode, a panel on cyber fluency for the
- 22:23OT environment. So we're going to be talking about
- 22:25cybersecurity specification, all of that will be on that panel as
- 22:29well. So I hope to see you there. And I'll share that one
- 22:34with your real quick cyber fluency. So I hope to see you
- 22:37all there. Let's get back to the PowerPoint. Here we go.
- 22:43And back to the PowerPoint. So logical inputs, there are two
- 22:47primary forms of logical inputs. And they go by many, many, many,
- 22:51many different names. Some folks, as you'll see here, call
- 22:55them Numerix and bullions, and strings, and E neumes. Some
- 23:00folks call them multistate, some folks just come straight up
- 23:03aisb, eyes, AOSP, vos, aviz, EVs, etc. For the sake of this
- 23:09presentation, and my sanity, we will focus quite simply on
- 23:15writable and non writable inputs. So writable inputs are
- 23:22inputs of which someone can write to the input, and this is
- 23:28where it gets a little muddy. I'll admit that, because you can
- 23:32have non writable inputs that are still writable. They're just
- 23:37not writable by the operator. So for example, I can go and add a
- 23:43numeric point but have it I can add a point. That's an AI, for
- 23:49example, by mapping it in, it is a logical point, it's writable,
- 23:54from the chiller that I'm integrating it from, because I'm
- 23:57mapping in the point, but it's not writable from the operator,
- 24:01so I can't override it. And I know some of you are going to be
- 24:03like, Well, Phil, there's a variety of ways you can override
- 24:09API's analog inputs, or binary inputs by bringing them out of
- 24:14service. You are correct. But I would argue that that's for
- 24:18testing, because technically, when it's out of service, it
- 24:22should be out of service and no longer readable by the controls
- 24:25program. But that's, you know, nuanced. Then there are writable
- 24:30files and the reason these are writable is because they have a
- 24:33priority array a priori array is a more advanced concept that
- 24:37we'll get into, when we start to talk about BACnet. Although the
- 24:41priority array is not necessarily a BACnet construct
- 24:45all it is is a multi point array of which the highest number of
- 24:50inputs 16 is of the least importance and input one is of
- 24:54the most importance. Some folks do a zero to 15 Priority array I
- 24:59primarily though See a priority array of one to 16. So 16 is
- 25:05typically is how it goes, typically is 16 is global 15 is
- 25:14local 14 is local operator. And then eight is operator override.
- 25:20And one is like emergency override. So there's some kind
- 25:24of standards behind what should be what. But, you know, the most
- 25:29common standards are just 16, and eight. Now, here's the
- 25:33difference. Or here's the important part of this, if
- 25:37you're going and I've discussed this ad nauseam, for those of
- 25:40you who have listened to our podcasts in the past, if you're
- 25:44doing an integration, a BACnet integration, and you map in an
- 25:48analog input, an analog input, or binary input, or a multi
- 25:53state input, and its zone temperature, or its chilled
- 25:58water temperature, you map that point in, I've seen a lot of
- 26:01people map those in and think that they should be able to
- 26:04command them. Those are not writable. They're not logical,
- 26:08they're not variables that are controllable. And so if you map
- 26:12in those inputs, you're not going to be able to edit them
- 26:16inputs are typically logical inputs are non writable. And
- 26:21they're for data reading purposes, only writable inputs,
- 26:26also known as variables, see here, analog variable, or analog
- 26:31value, or numeric writable. In Niagra, they basically all mean
- 26:36the same thing. They're just different systems, different
- 26:40naming structures, those have a priority array, and thus the
- 26:44writable. And a little bonus point, the objects that are
- 26:49known as outputs. So in Niagra, world, it would still be called
- 26:53a numeric writable. In other systems, it may be called an
- 26:57analog output. Or it may be called a voltage output. And
- 27:03those are actually writable. Because those typically have a
- 27:06writable array as well. All right. So there you have it in a
- 27:11nutshell, those are inputs, I started off this episode with
- 27:16saying that you'd be able to describe the common types of
- 27:18inputs. So you should be able to describe that there are physical
- 27:22and logical inputs, that they're resistive voltage, current
- 27:25contact impulse inputs, and you should understand why and how
- 27:30and when you use those, even if you don't understand exactly how
- 27:34to implement them, you should also understand that there are
- 27:37logical inputs, and that those logical inputs are either
- 27:42writable or non writable. And that the writable inputs,
- 27:47they're writable, because they have a priority array. So there
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- 28:42much. Next Wednesday, we're going to be diving into physical
- 28:45outputs. And then after that, it's going to be a recorded one
- 28:50because I'm going to be at Niagara summit, but we're going
- 28:53to be talking through controller types. We're gonna talk through
- 28:56application specific versus free programmable controllers. And
- 29:00we're going to get a little into BTL classifications of
- 29:04controllers. And we're going to talk through that. And then
- 29:08we're going to go through the week after communication buses,
- 29:12the week after that, we're going to go through router slash
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- 29:50said, let me stop sharing that. And let me see what questions we
- 29:57have in the chat. I hope you all are finding these valuable. I
- 30:03know it's a little basic. And I know I'm starting off at a
- 30:06pretty simplistic point. My goal is that by the end of this
- 30:12series, which I envisioned taking about three to four
- 30:16months to get through, so about 1216 ish episodes, there should
- 30:23be a solid foundation that I'll then put into a playlist that
- 30:26you all can go and share amongst yourself. And hopefully, it just
- 30:31really helps upskill the folks who are trying to learn this, I
- 30:36also plan on doing some YouTube shorts that I'm going to talk
- 30:41through the industry, just why I believe young people should join
- 30:44this industry. The benefits of that. Let me see if there's any
- 30:48questions on LinkedIn. No. I know LinkedIn is kind of funky
- 30:53sometimes. And sometimes the questions sneak outside of that.
- 31:01No, okay. They're not there. YouTube, not seeing any
- 31:05questions there. So we're good. All right. Well, hey, folks,
- 31:09everyone, I appreciate you. I will see you on Monday. I
- 31:14honestly don't know what episode we're going to cover on Monday.
- 31:17I'm kinda torn between where we're gonna go with that. But
- 31:20for sure, Wednesday, we're going to be talking about outputs. If
- 31:24y'all need anything, hit us up on LinkedIn, hit us up on our
- 31:27website. And I hope to see you all at night or Summit. Thanks
- 31:31so much. Take care