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The Kenny Report | 18 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Lare from the Skying You Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on the Kenny Report. Coming to
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Speaker 1: you live from Brisbane tonight. Tonight the extraordinary pocket explosive
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Speaker 1: counterattack by Israel against Hesbala terrorists.
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Speaker 2: What next?
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Speaker 1: More claims and evidence of dodgy journalism by the ABC
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Speaker 1: aimed at smearing our diggers as war criminals. Less than
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Speaker 1: forty days till the Queensland state election. I'll get the
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Speaker 1: latest from former Premier Campbell Newman. Also the alban Ezi
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Speaker 1: government and responsibility with Pauline Hansen, a bit of US politics,
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Speaker 1: and the Wednesday Rangele.
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Speaker 2: Let's get started.
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Speaker 1: It's not for nothing that the Israeli military and their
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Speaker 1: secret security agencies like Mossad have fearful reputations a country
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Speaker 1: and the people that are always under attack, constantly subjected
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Speaker 1: to invade, visians, rocket fire and terrorist attacks.
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Speaker 2: They have to know how to defend themselves.
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Speaker 1: Instances of incredible Israeli efforts to eliminate militant enemies our legion.
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Speaker 1: We saw just in July how the Humas leader Ismail
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Speaker 1: Haniya was taken out in Iran in the Iranian capital
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Speaker 1: of Tehran. Extraordinary Israel always says it will get those
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Speaker 1: who do its people harm, but the scale, audacity and
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Speaker 1: technological capability of this latest attack that has killed at
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Speaker 1: least nine people and wounded at least three thousand Hezbalah
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Speaker 1: foot soldiers, well, it stunned the world.
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Speaker 3: Watch the bottom left corner of the CCTV. In the
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Speaker 3: fruit and badge section of a Lebanese supermarket in southern Beirut,
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Speaker 3: a pager explodes. Over the next half hour, across Beirut, Lebanon,
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Speaker 3: and even parts of Syria, more pages exploded in the
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Speaker 3: coordinated attack on Hesbula. Hospitals were put on a high
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Speaker 3: alert and there were calls for blood donations. Hes Bulla
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Speaker 3: had recently started using pages rather than mobile phones because
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Speaker 3: they're considered less vulnerable. This attack will have a considerable
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Speaker 3: psychological effect on the group.
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Speaker 4: So this could have been a hack on the lithium
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Speaker 4: batteries to cause it to explore, but it looks more
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Speaker 4: like explosive devices implanted in this, which would indicate a
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Speaker 4: large supply chain interruption where they're able to intercept these packages.
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Speaker 4: These pagers implant explosives and then being able to leverage
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Speaker 4: that to then conduct these types of operations. This is
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Speaker 4: a very complex, highly sophisticated, probably multi year type of
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Speaker 4: engagement that would require this type of thing be pulled off,
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Speaker 4: one of the most complex that I've seen ever.
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Speaker 1: Hezbollah has of course promised revenge, but Hez like Hamas,
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Speaker 1: it's constantly firing rockets on Israeli civilian targets and is
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Speaker 1: involved in terrorist attacks against Israeli men, women and children,
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Speaker 1: So little changes in that regard. The bigger question is
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Speaker 1: Iran's response. Iran's ambassador to Lebanon was wounded by one
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Speaker 1: of these Pajer explosions, so Iran's funding, control and responsibility
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Speaker 1: for Hezballah is exposed yet again. It's high time the
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Speaker 1: international community put maximum pressure on Iran, demanding that Tehran
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Speaker 1: calls off the terrorists of Hezballah and HMAS. It's time
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Speaker 1: to stop putting pressure on the victims here Israel and
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Speaker 1: put pressure on the agent of war and carnage Iran,
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Speaker 1: and just on the war in Gaza and the way
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Speaker 1: the world deals with the political debate and the protests.
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Speaker 1: Hats off to an organization that rails against hypocrisy.
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Speaker 2: It calls itself the New.
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Speaker 1: Tolerance Campaign and It's offered a million dollar prize to
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Speaker 1: the protest group Queers for Palistine, or for that matter,
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Speaker 1: any other gay rights group if they stage a gay
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Speaker 1: pride march in Gaza or the West Bank.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a point well made.
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Speaker 1: The idea of Queers for Palestine is an oxymoron.
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Speaker 2: It's like turkeys for Christmas.
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Speaker 1: Out yourself as gay in Gaza and you'd be thrown
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Speaker 1: off a rooftop. It's never too late for the political
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Speaker 1: left and the protesters to wake up. They like to
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Speaker 1: pretend that Humas is some sort of freedom fighting outfit.
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Speaker 1: The fact is they are an extremist Islamist terrorist group,
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Speaker 1: a bloodthirsty and intolerant organization that must be defeated in
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Speaker 1: the name of humanity. The more you know about these issues,
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Speaker 1: the more you know that that is the reality. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: the best way to help the Palestinian people is to
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Speaker 1: support Israel in defeating Humas and to put maximum pressure
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Speaker 1: on Iran to rain in Hummas and Hezbala. Now for
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Speaker 1: more on the ABC and the way their reporters have
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Speaker 1: adopted videotape, got their facts wrong, and allegedly taken comments
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Speaker 1: and interviews right out of context, all in order to
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Speaker 1: portray our soldiers as war criminals. They've already lost that
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Speaker 1: defamation case brought by former Commando Heston Russell, who has
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Speaker 1: paid four hundred thousand dollars in that case that reportedly
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Speaker 1: cost taxpayers three million dollars all up because the ABC
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Speaker 1: falsely smeared him. The trouble is that the ABC has
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Speaker 1: failed to apologize to Russell so far, it's refused.
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Speaker 2: Even to meet with him.
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Speaker 1: And with the help of Channel seven Spotlight program, Russell
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Speaker 1: has exposed more dodgy journalism by the ABC. The Daily
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Speaker 1: Telegraph has also now taken up some of this investigation
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Speaker 1: of the ABC reporting and let me show you the
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Speaker 1: chain of events that they've REVEALEDC journalist Mark Willisey contacted
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Speaker 1: former US Drug Enforcement Administration leader Brett Hamilton, who worked
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Speaker 1: with Ossie Diggers in Afghanistan, and he discussed the prospect
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Speaker 1: of an interview. Here's some of that call that was
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Speaker 1: made nearly three years ago.
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Speaker 5: It's interesting, but I am I am interested in doing
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Speaker 5: something more broadly about the positive sort of relationship you
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Speaker 5: know that developed in twenty eleven, that continued and then
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Speaker 5: through to twenty twelve about you know, the actual achievements.
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Speaker 5: You guys, you know, racked up with the commandos at
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Speaker 5: some point. I'm not too interested in going down the
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Speaker 5: road of this negative stuff. That's just more to confirm
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Speaker 5: what I've been told by other people and whether it's
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Speaker 5: accurate or not. But would that be something you think
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Speaker 5: about down the track, Brett, If I was going to
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Speaker 5: do with sort of a proper write up about you know,
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Speaker 5: the actual, the really positive stuff like.
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Speaker 6: I would absolutely love it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just love you could be able to give.
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Speaker 7: Anything if somebody could capture the successor that we had.
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Speaker 1: Sounds fair enough, doesn't it? No suggestion of war crimes
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Speaker 1: or a hatchet job there?
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Speaker 7: Now?
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Speaker 1: When he later did that interview, it went for over
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Speaker 1: half an hour apparently, and he was asked this general
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Speaker 1: question towards the end, and you mentioned the issue of
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Speaker 1: war crimes and accountability from the chain of command, which
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Speaker 1: we haven't really seen either there or in Australia.
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Speaker 6: All the investigations are dealing with the guys.
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Speaker 3: Who are on the ground being shot at.
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Speaker 2: As you sat a.
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Speaker 6: Philosophically, from a reflective point of view, should.
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Speaker 5: Those sort of things be investigated and if they are,
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Speaker 5: should everyone be investigated?
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Speaker 2: How do you approach potange.
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Speaker 6: Of war crimes on the ground.
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Speaker 7: No, Look, alleged war crimes should always be investigated. Absolutely, yeah,
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Speaker 7: I mean we have to. I will say that we
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Speaker 7: had to be investigated through the eyes of a soldier,
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Speaker 7: right of a soldier in combat especially, But yes, they
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Speaker 7: should definitely be investigated. I would never ever sit here
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Speaker 7: and say that actual, proven war crimes should be ignored.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely not. I mean, we're civilized people, we're civilized nations,
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Speaker 7: and if we expect, you know, our future enemies to
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Speaker 7: have any compassion whatsoever in future battles, we've got to
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Speaker 7: be able to show that we've held our soldiers accountable
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Speaker 7: when we've proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they've committed crimes.
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Speaker 2: Again, fair enough, Okay, a good response.
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Speaker 1: But when Willison's report went to air, it contained sensational
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Speaker 1: claims about the behavior of our soldiers, and the comment
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Speaker 1: from Hamilton sounded like a specific demand for a particular investigation.
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Speaker 6: These accounts from Carava, including detailed descriptions of the victim's wounds,
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Speaker 6: largely matched those provided by our Australian defense sources. They
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Speaker 6: told me that of the seven Afghans killed that day
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Speaker 6: at least four were killed unlawfully after being detained by
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Speaker 6: Australian commandos. Taking on the insurgency was just part of
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Speaker 6: the mission. The commandos of Task for sixty six were
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Speaker 6: also there to lay the groundwork for a peaceful and
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Speaker 6: politically stable Afghanistan, but in a war with no clear
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Speaker 6: battle lines, it appears those objectives may have been forgotten
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Speaker 6: by a handful of soldiers.
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Speaker 8: Hello.
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Speaker 7: Yes, they should definitely be investigated. We've got to be
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Speaker 7: able to show that we've held powers soldiers accountable.
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Speaker 1: There you guy that's award winning journalism ABC Style. The
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Speaker 1: former USDI Leada Bret Hamilton is ripable.
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Speaker 7: Oh. I was furious. You know. One of the first
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Speaker 7: things I did, I mean within minutes of me watching
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Speaker 7: the clip, that final clip of of the statement that
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Speaker 7: they had manipulated, was was get online and uh send
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Speaker 7: text messages and emails, you know, to several of the
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Speaker 7: blokes that I'd worked with, and to let them know, hey,
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Speaker 7: this is complete. They've manipulated my SoundBite, you know, and
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Speaker 7: and it would Thank goodness, you know, everyone I had
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Speaker 7: worked with knew that I would never say anything bad
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Speaker 7: about them.
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Speaker 8: There was nothing bad to say.
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Speaker 7: Uh, you know, to this day, I'm still getting text from,
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Speaker 7: you know, the guys that I worked with, and hope.
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Speaker 8: To that day I die.
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Speaker 7: I was at the view under the impression that he
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Speaker 7: would use me to tell all the positive things that
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Speaker 7: were to say about Task Force sixty six that should
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Speaker 7: absolutely be taken down.
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Speaker 8: It should be taken down with, you know.
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Speaker 1: With an apology, taken down and an apology.
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Speaker 2: He asks. That's not the ABC's style.
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Speaker 1: Of course, they're not into accountability when it comes to
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Speaker 1: their own conduct. Let's go to the Daily Telegraphs James Willis,
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Speaker 1: who's been on this story. James, thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 1: You spoke directly to Bret Hamilton. Do you know whether
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Speaker 1: he's planning to take any further action over this?
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Speaker 9: No, Chris and good afterm into you, I think he's
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Speaker 9: happy to move on with his life.
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Speaker 10: And he made the point to me that this kind
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Speaker 10: of journalism sadly does happen in the United States as well,
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Speaker 10: and this story went to where two years ago, and
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Speaker 10: ultimately it's only now that it's been brought up by
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Speaker 10: the Spotlight program and some of the other issues that
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Speaker 10: we've seen in the ABC having to apologize and pay
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Speaker 10: damages to Heston Russell that all of this.
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Speaker 9: Has come up again.
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Speaker 10: But I think the truly sad thing about this story,
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Speaker 10: and the one thing that the ABC has been lacking
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Speaker 10: in its coverage of what Australia did with Task for
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Speaker 10: sixty six and others in Afghanistan, is that Brett Hamilton
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Speaker 10: was prepared and thought that journalist Mark Willisey.
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Speaker 9: Was going to interview him.
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Speaker 10: About the good stuff, the good operations in Afghanistan, the
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Speaker 10: remarkable work that American and Australian troops did side by
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Speaker 10: side for all those years to do their best possible.
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Speaker 9: Job to defend our freedom.
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Speaker 10: And ultimately when he was finally interviewed by Willisey, it
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Speaker 10: turned out that in a thirty five minute interview, there
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Speaker 10: was probably ninety seconds cherry picked that was used by
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Speaker 10: the ABC a month later and he was completely taken
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Speaker 10: out of context.
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Speaker 9: And I think that is tragic. And the one thing missing.
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Speaker 10: From all of our coverage of the military from parts
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Speaker 10: of the media has been these positive stories.
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Speaker 9: Wanted to tell one. Mark Wilsey wouldn't let.
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Speaker 1: Him, yeah, and we saw how those words were twisted.
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Speaker 1: We haven't been able to get any response from the ABC.
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Speaker 1: It's radio silence from the ABC at the moment. But
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Speaker 1: here's the Minister responsible, the Communications Minister, Michelle Roland.
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Speaker 11: Whils Side acknowledge that the ABC has operational and editorial independence.
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Speaker 11: These are questions for the ABC to answer. I will
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Speaker 11: be seeking a briefing from the ABC on this issue
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Speaker 11: because you are absolutely right Australians need to have trust
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Speaker 11: in their national broadcaster. And again, whilst I acknowledge the
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Speaker 11: editorial and operational independence, this is a very serious issue
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Speaker 11: that does need to be addressed in a transparent way.
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Speaker 1: Heh, there we go. She'll get a briefing. That's the
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Speaker 1: very least she should get. I know, James, you've been
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Speaker 1: trying to get responses from the ABC and they haven't
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Speaker 1: been forthcoming to you either.
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Speaker 2: So thanks for giving us that update. We'll keep in touch.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Chris.
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Speaker 1: James willis there from the Daily Telegraph. Keep on this story.
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Speaker 1: There's got to be accountability here. I'm now joined by
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Speaker 1: One Nation leader Pauline Hansen joins me from Canberra. Good
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Speaker 1: to talk to you, Pauline. I'm in your home state,
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Speaker 1: you're in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: I'm very keen.
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Speaker 1: To get your thoughts on the Prime Minister. Finally, copying
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Speaker 1: it from big business.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: I know your concern, and perhaps the concern of most
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Speaker 1: of us in this country at the moment, is small
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Speaker 1: business and.
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Speaker 2: How tough they're doing it.
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Speaker 1: But it's good to see big business actually telling the
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Speaker 1: government how much strife we're in in this country.
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Speaker 12: That's exactly right, christ And by the reports that I
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Speaker 12: saw not only big business but also the mineral councils
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Speaker 12: of Australia that I went to the dinner last week
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Speaker 12: or a couple of weeks ago, and they're so exactly
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Speaker 12: the same. They are furious with this government, with the
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Speaker 12: Albanesi and when he got up and gave a speech,
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Speaker 12: they could not believe what he said. You should have
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Speaker 12: heard the room they were seeding with his comments. He
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Speaker 12: doesn't get it, and he doesn't understand it's not listening
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Speaker 12: to it. These people are doing it tough because of
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Speaker 12: their ir laws, because of our the legislation they're going
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Speaker 12: to bring in the Native Positive Plan. There's another piece
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Speaker 12: of legislation they're wanting to get past, and that's actually
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Speaker 12: your sustainability. So these companies are going to have to
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Speaker 12: employ people to do paperwork to ensure that who they're
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Speaker 12: buying their product from there actually are sustainable in climate
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Speaker 12: change issues, so it's going to cost them a lot
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Speaker 12: of money. He's destroying these businesses, and I'm more worried
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Speaker 12: about the medium small business. You've got the very small business,
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Speaker 12: then the medium's businesses. They're doing it tough, and what
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Speaker 12: I understand is a lot of them are going out
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Speaker 12: of business. A lot of bankruptcy happening. And we're about
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Speaker 12: a year behind what's happened in New Zealand and a
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Speaker 12: lot of businesses are going under there because of the
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Speaker 12: laws they brought in there are very reflective of what
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Speaker 12: we're doing here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the warnings are getting very strong and the problems
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Speaker 1: are pretty clear cut. Let's have a listen to the
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Speaker 1: Business Council of Australia's president.
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Speaker 13: Why would anyone want to invest in Australia even a
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Speaker 13: modicum of success is criticized? Why would anyone want to
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Speaker 13: invest in a country where a four or five percent
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Speaker 13: profit margin gets you an accusation of price gouging and
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Speaker 13: a call for devestment. And why do we continually criticize
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Speaker 13: the sectors to underwrite our national prosperity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to make it easy for people to
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Speaker 1: invest in this country, turn a profit and employ people.
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Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. But Pauline, you keep pointing
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Speaker 1: out now I noticed in some of your speeches and
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Speaker 1: your social media posts that this is a government that
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Speaker 1: refuses to take responsibility for any of the key issues.
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Speaker 12: Has done, Albanesi said an election arted accountability in talks
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Speaker 12: about consultation has been far from it. Actually, the baron
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Speaker 12: about one hundred bills have been shut down because they
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Speaker 12: don't want debate on the bills and they just want
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Speaker 12: to rush it through the parliament. Chris, you know, look
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Speaker 12: at the Voice. He wanted to take accountability for the Voice.
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Speaker 12: It failed, and he's backpedaling on the Macro a Commission.
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Speaker 12: That's another seven million dollars sitting there on the fund
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Speaker 12: to actually fund that. Then you've got the high immigration.
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Speaker 12: I asked them a question today about the high immigration.
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Speaker 12: In the twenty twenty two budget, they spoke about four
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Speaker 12: hundred and seventy thousand in their projection for the next
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Speaker 12: two years, and yet they've brought in over a million people.
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Speaker 12: They won't acknowledge that. They're going back blaming the previous
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Speaker 12: government for it or saying, oh, they reduced the numbers
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Speaker 12: will have picked up from COVID, and even Mari Watt,
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Speaker 12: who I asked the question of he said it post
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Speaker 12: COVID was basically unsustainable. Yet if you look at the
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Speaker 12: figures today they're not much much lower than what they
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Speaker 12: were then. Any saying they were unsustainable. They're not acknowledging
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Speaker 12: the impact it has on the housing. That's why the
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Speaker 12: rental accommodation there is very poor, less than one percent
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Speaker 12: in most of the states. The housing isn't there. They
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Speaker 12: won't acknowledge anything that they're doing. Their ire laws. The
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Speaker 12: Business Council of Australia, they employ six out of seven
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Speaker 12: people in Australia and the government says all the time, oh,
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Speaker 12: well we've increased employment. No, you haven't, because to those
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Speaker 12: of the jobs that have been created is government jobs,
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Speaker 12: you know, governor funder that's more Yeah, of course it is.
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Speaker 12: And that's that's the whole problem. They want to admit
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Speaker 12: their mistakes, their policies. They're not getting it right.
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Speaker 1: They are not responsible, as we keep saying, and you
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Speaker 1: are saying as well, Pauline, thanks for joining us so
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hans in their life from Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Let's now go on to the shadow Home Affairs Minister,
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Speaker 1: James Patterson also joins us from the nation's capital. Let's
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Speaker 1: start on immigration with you, James, given we're just talking
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Speaker 1: about it with Pauline and stunning revelations earlier this week
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Speaker 1: that surprise, surprise, most of the people who have come
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Speaker 1: into this country from Gaza, the Palestinians who have been
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Speaker 1: given special quick visas tourist visas to come into Australia,
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Speaker 1: it seems like most of them are claiming asylum here.
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Speaker 2: That's right, Chris.
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Speaker 14: Of the thirteen hundred or so Palistinin document holders who've
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Speaker 14: entered Australia since the seventh of October, about nine hundred
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Speaker 14: of them have now applied for refugee status. As you say,
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Speaker 14: these are people who first entered our country on tourist visas,
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Speaker 14: and a condition of being granted a tourist visa is
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Speaker 14: you only intend to visit temporarily and you intend to
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Speaker 14: return home to your place of origin after the end
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Speaker 14: of your stay. Clearly, none of these people ever had
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Speaker 14: the intention of only visiting Australia temporarily. As the Minister
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Speaker 14: for Home Affairs Tony Burke himself has omitted. None of
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Speaker 14: these people are going back, and it just highlights while
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Speaker 14: they should never have been given tourist visas.
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Speaker 2: In the first place.
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Speaker 14: If they are genuine refugees and asylum seekers, they should
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Speaker 14: have been assessed for that visa and carefully checked on
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Speaker 14: security grounds before they are given visas and before they're
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Speaker 14: brought into our country. But under the Albanezer government we've
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Speaker 14: had a rushed and risky process, and I fear that
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Speaker 14: the national security of our country is at stake as
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Speaker 14: a result.
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Speaker 1: And just on the Middle East, this astonishing attack by
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Speaker 1: Israel against operatives, thousands of them, what do you expect
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Speaker 1: the repercussions to be.
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Speaker 14: Well, I've no doubt that Hesbela will want to strike back,
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Speaker 14: and Iran may wish to as well. But a pretty
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Speaker 14: devastating blow has been brought to Hesbela's feet, probably by Israel,
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Speaker 14: although they're not confirming it. Because Hesbela had already had
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Speaker 14: to abandon using mobile phones to communicate because Israel had
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Speaker 14: been targeting on that basis. That's why they were using pages.
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Speaker 14: Now that their pager communication system has been taken out,
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Speaker 14: they will not have any confidence in any form of
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Speaker 14: communication between each other and their ability to respond to
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Speaker 14: Israel will be seriously impacted by those lack of communications
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Speaker 14: and the fact it appears that hundreds, if not thousands
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Speaker 14: of their operatives have been injured and some were killed
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Speaker 14: in this attack. So it is a pretty devastating blow
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Speaker 14: from Hesbela. It doesn't mean they're defeated. I'm sure they'll
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Speaker 14: seek to strike back and they'll have people in the
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Speaker 14: field already he'll be able to do so. But it
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Speaker 14: is a very sophisticated and devastating attack.
20:58
Speaker 1: And just in Australia, the ongoing problem of non citizens,
21:02
Speaker 1: criminal non citizens in our community. You've been on this
21:05
Speaker 1: for many, many months, but there's a new development in
21:07
Speaker 1: that when it comes to Direction sixty three.
21:10
Speaker 2: Tell us about Direction sixty three.
21:13
Speaker 1: And why scrapping it is going to endanger Australians.
21:18
Speaker 14: This is an astonishing and almost accidental revelation. Chris. Ten
21:22
Speaker 14: years ago, when Scott Morrison was Immigration Minister, he issued
21:25
Speaker 14: Ministry or Direction sixty three and in simple terms, what
21:28
Speaker 14: it required that Apartment of Home Affairs and ultimately the
21:30
Speaker 14: Administry of Appeals Tribunal to do, which is to cancel
21:34
Speaker 14: the visa of anyone on a bridging visa if they
21:37
Speaker 14: commit a crime while they're in Australia. It was a
21:40
Speaker 14: process put in place to protect the Australian community. But
21:43
Speaker 14: what we've discovered is that in January the Albanezer government
21:46
Speaker 14: secretly overturned Direction sixty three. They removed it all together
21:51
Speaker 14: in a secret direction that was never publicized. There was
21:54
Speaker 14: no media or less, there was no press commerence. They
21:56
Speaker 14: didn't even put a note on the Home Affairs website.
21:59
Speaker 14: And the question is is why on earth would you
22:01
Speaker 14: repeal a direction that required decision makers to cancel visas
22:06
Speaker 14: of people who committed crimes in our country. The effect
22:08
Speaker 14: of doing so now makes it easier for criminal non
22:11
Speaker 14: citizens to stay in our country and to stay out
22:14
Speaker 14: of immigration detention, even when they're facing very serious charges.
22:17
Speaker 14: So Tony Burk needs to come claim why was this canceled,
22:20
Speaker 14: why was it repealed, what was the motivation, and why
22:23
Speaker 14: on earth would you think that this is a good
22:25
Speaker 14: idea at a time of heightened social cohesion tensions and
22:28
Speaker 14: diminished community safety.
22:31
Speaker 1: On the face of it, just an extraordinary decision and
22:33
Speaker 1: such a bad decision, And you're right, we need to
22:35
Speaker 1: find out why. And no doubt you'll keep pursuing it
22:38
Speaker 1: as we will. Thanks for joining us, James, I appreciate it,
22:41
Speaker 1: Senator James Patterson. They're live from Canberra, the Shadow Home
22:44
Speaker 1: Affairs Minister.
22:45
Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break. On the other
22:46
Speaker 2: side of that, I'm going to catch up with the.
22:47
Speaker 1: Former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman and find out what he
22:51
Speaker 1: thinks about the illumining state election.
22:53
Speaker 2: Only thirty eight days to go now until Queensland goes
22:56
Speaker 2: to the polls.
23:01
Speaker 1: As I said, there's not long to go till the
23:02
Speaker 1: next big election in this country. Queenslanders go to the
23:05
Speaker 1: poll on the twenty sixth of October, only thirty eight
23:08
Speaker 1: days away. Premier Stephen Miles, the Giggling Goose we like
23:11
Speaker 1: to refer to we as, has been pretty busy buying votes,
23:14
Speaker 1: promising to keep fifty cent public transport fairs and free
23:18
Speaker 1: electricity with thousand dollars.
23:20
Speaker 2: Rebates on power bills.
23:22
Speaker 1: He's also spending plenty of time on social media, releasing
23:24
Speaker 1: these carefully curated videos popping in for a kappa with
23:29
Speaker 1: a voter this morning.
23:30
Speaker 2: Have a look.
23:31
Speaker 14: Hello, Hello, I'm Stephen.
23:34
Speaker 15: Great to meet you too.
23:35
Speaker 14: We brought some buns and things.
23:37
Speaker 2: Coup tea.
23:38
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'll have a cup of tea. That's a lovely
23:40
Speaker 16: spote Dora.
23:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful house.
23:42
Speaker 8: She show us these flowers.
23:44
Speaker 2: They're beautiful.
23:45
Speaker 7: Yeah.
23:46
Speaker 16: Yeah, we're going to build more of these.
23:47
Speaker 14: It's more units like this was so.
23:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great to see people liking them. Who wants
23:53
Speaker 1: politicians barging through the front door for a cup? Let
23:57
Speaker 1: me bring in that former Queensland premier Campbell new and
24:00
Speaker 1: joining me on the desk here, good to talk to you, Campbell.
24:03
Speaker 2: Is he going to get away with it?
24:04
Speaker 1: This bloke's handing out money is so blatantly trying to
24:07
Speaker 1: buy votes. I know the fifty cent public transport fees
24:10
Speaker 1: of fares have been a real winner a lot more people.
24:13
Speaker 17: Yeah.
24:14
Speaker 18: Look, I think it's actually helping move the needle. For
24:17
Speaker 18: him to be blunt and frank about it. I don't
24:22
Speaker 18: know that it will rescue him. In fact, I don't
24:24
Speaker 18: think it will.
24:25
Speaker 9: But you know, they are.
24:26
Speaker 18: Working very hard, they're very effective, and I think the
24:30
Speaker 18: sort of the sort of slightly awkward well do I
24:33
Speaker 18: say daggy dad persona, in my opinion, actually works. It's
24:38
Speaker 18: not threatening, and I think that the fifty cent public
24:43
Speaker 18: transfert fares a thousand buck electricity giveaways is also resonating
24:48
Speaker 18: as well in the people with the people he needs
24:50
Speaker 18: it to. I mean, I've got a credit on my
24:52
Speaker 18: power bill. Now I can't jump over. I won't be
24:56
Speaker 18: paying paying electricity bill for ages.
25:03
Speaker 2: Electricity.
25:03
Speaker 1: We're pretending it's cheap by throwing government money at it.
25:06
Speaker 1: And the important thing is tell me, David Crystal fully
25:09
Speaker 1: is not going to get rid of any of this.
25:10
Speaker 1: You've still got your fifty cent bus fares and you
25:13
Speaker 1: still get this thousand dollars reboat. So in the end,
25:16
Speaker 1: there's that small target strategy work for him. Are people
25:19
Speaker 1: going to take the cash from labor and still vote LMP?
25:23
Speaker 7: Oh?
25:24
Speaker 18: I guess we'll see soon. I think it's quite a
25:27
Speaker 18: dangerous strategy because you know, for months now, David Christoph
25:31
Speaker 18: Fawley's being saying, well.
25:32
Speaker 8: If we're I like that, we'll do that.
25:33
Speaker 18: Oh, we agree with that, I'll adopt the budget of
25:37
Speaker 18: the Labor Party. And I think for many of us
25:41
Speaker 18: that's a pretty dodgy sort of way to go about it.
25:45
Speaker 18: But importantly, when you suddenly become the premiere, where's your
25:48
Speaker 18: mandate where's the vision, where is the authority of the
25:53
Speaker 18: people to actually make difficult decisions? And queens Ain's going
25:57
Speaker 18: to need budget repair because the royalties are going to
26:00
Speaker 18: drop off a cliff soon.
26:02
Speaker 2: So you say you're leveling with people about the day challenge.
26:05
Speaker 18: It hands, Yeah, I'm afraid so and take the fifty
26:08
Speaker 18: cent fares right.
26:10
Speaker 2: It costs.
26:11
Speaker 18: I saw some figures recently. It costs about nineteen dollars
26:14
Speaker 18: to supply that trip, nineteen dollars of Queensland taxpayer money
26:19
Speaker 18: to provide the fifty cent trip.
26:21
Speaker 2: So we're going backwards at a rate of notts. Meantime,
26:23
Speaker 2: got the Bruce.
26:24
Speaker 18: Highway, which is a highway of carnage and death, which arguably,
26:28
Speaker 18: rather than everybody getting such a freebee down in the south,
26:31
Speaker 18: I mean it might as well be free in public
26:35
Speaker 18: transport in the southeast of the state. I've got a
26:37
Speaker 18: road that needs to be fixed, and government's about allocating
26:42
Speaker 18: resources because you know that, and my view, people should
26:46
Speaker 18: be paying a fair price for public transport, but we
26:50
Speaker 18: should be fixing the Bruce Highway.
26:51
Speaker 2: Wi'll be probably cheaper to make it free. It probably
26:53
Speaker 2: costs more.
26:54
Speaker 1: Than fifty cents a fair to actually run the fair system.
26:57
Speaker 2: Tell me about crime.
26:58
Speaker 1: Obviously it's a big issue, especially in certain parts of Queensland.
27:02
Speaker 2: Is it going to shift votes and where?
27:04
Speaker 18: Look at will chif votes in certain areas. I mean
27:07
Speaker 18: the crime problem now, the youth crime problems right across
27:09
Speaker 18: the state, but I think where it has particular residences
27:13
Speaker 18: in Townsville for example, in some of the regional cities
27:17
Speaker 18: Cans as well. There's three seats up for grabs in
27:20
Speaker 18: Townsville the LNP, by the way, I'm going to win
27:23
Speaker 18: at least twelve and retain it switched West by the way,
27:27
Speaker 18: which is not necessarily going to be the case they should,
27:30
Speaker 18: I think. So there's three up for grabs in towns
27:33
Speaker 18: for all these cans Barren River, so that's a win there.
27:39
Speaker 9: I think in the Bay side of.
27:41
Speaker 18: A Brisbane, I'm got a candidate there with the LNP
27:44
Speaker 18: who is the father who lost his young young young
27:49
Speaker 18: ones there you know, a terrible tragic sort of accident,
27:53
Speaker 18: well I accident sort of a when a young driver
27:56
Speaker 18: who has drugged up and drunkard and killed them couple.
28:00
Speaker 18: So I think he's going to be the next member
28:03
Speaker 18: down there.
28:04
Speaker 1: So your summary is that there will be a change
28:06
Speaker 1: of government that Labor will lose, but perhaps not as
28:09
Speaker 1: emphatically as people think.
28:11
Speaker 2: Well, I think.
28:11
Speaker 18: Labour is going to lose. I've already said that on
28:13
Speaker 18: Steve Price's show on this network. The challenge is that
28:18
Speaker 18: the Labor Party have got a lot of money, and
28:21
Speaker 18: it's from the unions because they've rigged the election rules
28:24
Speaker 18: so that the unions can all spend significant sums of money.
28:28
Speaker 18: And on the right of politics, you don't have similar
28:31
Speaker 18: organizations lining up to take advantage of those rules and
28:34
Speaker 18: run these so called third party campaigns. So I'm disappointed
28:39
Speaker 18: yelling P have chosen to be a small target. I
28:41
Speaker 18: think a bold, brassy sort of policy going out to
28:47
Speaker 18: queensandas and telling what they would do in office would
28:51
Speaker 18: be rewarded in these times.
28:53
Speaker 2: I think you did it well. We did only your
28:56
Speaker 2: last one term.
28:57
Speaker 18: Yeah, but we did it and we rewarded. And I
29:00
Speaker 18: think David Christoph Falling would be rewarding. The LINGP would
29:03
Speaker 18: be rewarded if they said that they would win as
29:06
Speaker 18: big as twenty twelve if they did.
29:08
Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing your insights to the table, Camel, I
29:11
Speaker 1: appreciate it to fascinating to watch.
29:13
Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break. On the other side,
29:15
Speaker 2: we're going to catch up.
29:15
Speaker 1: With Matt Rennie talking about the Greens and the Tills
29:18
Speaker 1: putting Australia on track for more blackouts, plus the chairman
29:22
Speaker 1: of the Special Air Service Association on the ABC's shameful
29:26
Speaker 1: reporting on our diggers, well with the prospect of hung
29:33
Speaker 1: parliament in Canberra after the next elections. We're spending some
29:36
Speaker 1: time examining the nutty policies from the Greens and the Tills,
29:40
Speaker 1: including a push to ban gas development, which would of
29:43
Speaker 1: course mean lights out for the rest of us.
29:46
Speaker 19: These big gas corporations are vampires with their fangs in
29:52
Speaker 19: the necks of this country, sucking out resources, often not
29:57
Speaker 19: paying for them at all, making billions of dollars profit,
30:00
Speaker 19: sending that overseas in many instances tax free, and pushing
30:05
Speaker 19: up the cost of living pressure for people, all while
30:08
Speaker 19: cooking the planet. The scientists have made it crystal clear
30:13
Speaker 19: that we cannot tackle the climate crisis unless we stop
30:16
Speaker 19: opening new coal and gas mines.
30:21
Speaker 1: Well, Matt Rennie is the co CEO of Renni Advisory,
30:24
Speaker 1: joins me in the studio here in Brisbane.
30:26
Speaker 2: Good to see you in the flesh map.
30:27
Speaker 8: Thanks Chris.
30:28
Speaker 2: Tell me about the greens and the tills.
30:30
Speaker 1: They want no more exploration, no more exploitation of gas
30:34
Speaker 1: in this country, no more gas projects to be developed.
30:38
Speaker 1: What will that do to our energy future?
30:41
Speaker 8: Well, the science might be in but certainly the engineers
30:44
Speaker 8: have spoken, and we need four things to happen if
30:47
Speaker 8: there's going to be world priced reliable power in the
30:50
Speaker 8: next fifteen years. That the first thing is we need
30:52
Speaker 8: about six gigawatts of renewables to be built every year.
30:55
Speaker 8: That the second is we need about eight and a
30:56
Speaker 8: half thousand transmission kilometers to be built. The thirties, we
31:00
Speaker 8: need about sixty gigawatts of renewables on rooftops and batteries.
31:04
Speaker 8: And lastly, we need markets created. And when none of
31:07
Speaker 8: that happens on time, which is almost certainly going to happen,
31:10
Speaker 8: we're going to need gas. And so the idea of
31:13
Speaker 8: ruling it out as an option at the moment is
31:16
Speaker 8: pretty short sighted.
31:17
Speaker 1: Now, I think your perspective on this is very good
31:19
Speaker 1: because your business is actually helping companies get their carb
31:23
Speaker 1: and count low, their carbon footprint low. You're fully into
31:26
Speaker 1: the renewables transition. You're not some climate denier saying, you know, burn,
31:31
Speaker 1: baby burn. But the point is you can't make this
31:34
Speaker 1: transition without more gas, right.
31:36
Speaker 8: No, that's exactly right. So we're not evangelical. What we're
31:39
Speaker 8: trying to do is to help companies figure out the
31:41
Speaker 8: changes in markets that are coming and then help them
31:43
Speaker 8: adapt and transform. It's quite simple. With the electricity industry.
31:48
Speaker 8: We've got coal coming out. We need to put in
31:50
Speaker 8: new base load renewables. That's going to create volatility, and
31:53
Speaker 8: that volatility is either going to be dealt with through
31:55
Speaker 8: rooftop solar and batteries of which there aren't enough, or gas.
31:59
Speaker 8: And this is even putting inside the price parts, which
32:01
Speaker 8: is going to be very difficult for people to deal with.
32:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they do this, we pay more for our
32:06
Speaker 1: power as well. The other point to make here is
32:10
Speaker 1: to understand how this works. Just to keep up current
32:13
Speaker 1: gas supplies, you need to keep developing gas projects because
32:17
Speaker 1: you have to sink more wells to add into all
32:19
Speaker 1: the pipelines, etc. So if you stop doing anything in gas,
32:22
Speaker 1: you actually run out of what we've already got.
32:24
Speaker 8: Well, that's exactly right, So you need to keep looking
32:26
Speaker 8: for it in order to find it, and all of
32:27
Speaker 8: the gas is obviously spoken for by the time that
32:30
Speaker 8: anyone puts a shovel in the ground, and so you
32:32
Speaker 8: need to sell it and then develop it. And there's
32:34
Speaker 8: just a fundamental economics there which has been missed.
32:37
Speaker 2: Just madness.
32:37
Speaker 1: Now on the rest of it, they tell us we've
32:39
Speaker 1: spoken a number of times about how far behind the
32:43
Speaker 1: plans behind the eight ball the Renewabull's rollout is. Is
32:47
Speaker 1: there any good news on that front for the government
32:49
Speaker 1: or are we still sinking further and further?
32:51
Speaker 8: Behy We're still behind. I mean, the average transmission project
32:54
Speaker 8: is about three years behind. We've only finished one of
32:56
Speaker 8: them costs the rising, and we haven't started on the
33:00
Speaker 8: distribution network yet. We know that electric vehicles more than
33:02
Speaker 8: five charging stations in the street is going to pop
33:05
Speaker 8: two hundred and transformer and so we know there's a
33:08
Speaker 8: complete rebuild coming and that hasn't come into the process yet.
33:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've just got to get realistic about this stuff
33:12
Speaker 1: rather than ideological and that's what the Greens and the
33:15
Speaker 1: Tills are being at the moment.
33:16
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Matt, Matt Renny there from any advisory.
33:20
Speaker 1: Now I want to go to more on the attacks
33:22
Speaker 1: on our soldiers as war criminals from the media and elsewhere,
33:26
Speaker 1: and of course the taking back of their service medals
33:29
Speaker 1: the other week by the government.
33:30
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Martin Hamilton.
33:31
Speaker 1: Smith is chairman of the Australian Special Air Services Association.
33:35
Speaker 2: He joins us live from Adelaide. Good to talk to
33:37
Speaker 2: you again, Martin.
33:38
Speaker 1: I want to get to the medals in a moment,
33:40
Speaker 1: but first up your take on what the ABC has
33:44
Speaker 1: been revealed to have done in terms of reporting on
33:47
Speaker 1: our soldiers in Afghanistan.
33:51
Speaker 20: Yeah, good afternoon, Chris.
33:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:53
Speaker 20: The Channel seven Spotlight program the other night just pulled
33:56
Speaker 20: apart the ABC Investigations Unit allegations about war crimes committed
34:03
Speaker 20: allegedly by two commando regiment, our sister regiment, just blew
34:07
Speaker 20: them apart. Those allegations turned out to be completely unsubstantiated,
34:12
Speaker 20: and it just shows you that when there's an all
34:15
Speaker 20: in sort of involving the Chief the Defense Force, the
34:18
Speaker 20: Minister of Defense and the ABC all working together, it
34:22
Speaker 20: seems to make allegations that are yet to be proven.
34:27
Speaker 20: Those allegations often get shown up as false, and that
34:31
Speaker 20: is why you don't want to judge people based on
34:34
Speaker 20: a stack of allegations. We live in a country where
34:37
Speaker 20: there is a justice system, and these issues need to
34:41
Speaker 20: go to court so that the accused can defend themselves
34:44
Speaker 20: and often as a result you find out the truth,
34:47
Speaker 20: and sometimes that is that the allegations are are wrong.
34:52
Speaker 2: So it's now you were right spoken last week because
34:55
Speaker 2: of it.
34:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry to cut you off the delay called us there,
35:00
Speaker 1: MARTINEU were outspoken last week about these medals being stripped
35:04
Speaker 1: from an unknown number of officers, and that's of course
35:07
Speaker 1: part of this, because they're being stripped because of allegations
35:11
Speaker 1: that are.
35:11
Speaker 2: Yet to be tested in court.
35:13
Speaker 1: Tell us what you know about those medals, whether you
35:16
Speaker 1: know any more about how many and who's lost them,
35:19
Speaker 1: and whether you think there's any chance they'll be reinstated,
35:22
Speaker 1: or whether anyone further up the chain should also face consequences.
35:29
Speaker 20: Well, again, it's outrageous. These officers, and I know most
35:34
Speaker 20: of them are courageous or were courageous young officers. These
35:39
Speaker 20: are not senior people. They were majors and lieutenant colonels
35:42
Speaker 20: who went into battle with their troops in Afghanistan. One
35:45
Speaker 20: of them was involved in a rolling battle over eighty
35:47
Speaker 20: one days involving over two hundred contacts and mounted fourteen
35:52
Speaker 20: night company level attacks fighting the enemy, casualties on both sides.
35:57
Speaker 20: These are amazing young officers, leaders of our ANZACs, and
36:01
Speaker 20: they've had their medals taken away because somewhere in a
36:03
Speaker 20: remote village on their watch, allegedly something may have gone wrong,
36:08
Speaker 20: and some lines may have been crossed, bad decisions made,
36:11
Speaker 20: and perhaps an unlawful act, but nothing proven, and yet
36:15
Speaker 20: they've had their metal stripped away. Now, look, if you
36:17
Speaker 20: tried this on the ANZACs of Kakoda when they came back,
36:21
Speaker 20: because perhaps they treated the Japanese prisoners the same way
36:25
Speaker 20: they treated ours, Or if you tried that after World
36:28
Speaker 20: War One from the Western Front, because maybe some German
36:32
Speaker 20: prisoners were mistreated, there would have been a national uproar.
36:35
Speaker 20: The first thing you've got to do is establish the facts.
36:38
Speaker 20: And what Minister Males has done, in an exercise in
36:41
Speaker 20: virtue signaling, is stripped the medals away from these fine
36:46
Speaker 20: young officers on the basis that perhaps allegedly something might
36:50
Speaker 20: have gone wrong on their watch, despite their bravery and
36:54
Speaker 20: courage and distinguished service in action. It's punishing people based
36:58
Speaker 20: on a bucket of allegations that he yet to be
37:03
Speaker 20: tested and can I just add that he's been able
37:06
Speaker 20: to get away with this because Andrew Hasty, the shadow
37:10
Speaker 20: spokesperson for Defense, has gone in with him. The two
37:15
Speaker 20: of them are sitting in judgment instead of a court.
37:19
Speaker 20: These two are judging these people guilty.
37:23
Speaker 5: Now.
37:24
Speaker 20: Peter Dutton had it right three or four years ago
37:26
Speaker 20: when he overruled General Cambell and said no, we're not
37:29
Speaker 20: taking the wards away until the truth is known and
37:31
Speaker 20: the facts established in court. Andrew Hasty has arrived, and
37:35
Speaker 20: now the two of them are there setting themselves up
37:39
Speaker 20: as judge and jury. So you can imagine how the
37:41
Speaker 20: veterans feel, Chris, which is pretty bad. The corporals the same.
37:47
Speaker 20: Now the young officers have all been thrown under a bus.
37:51
Speaker 2: It's a very very important point.
37:53
Speaker 1: And as you say, Andrew Hasty's role as shadow Defense
37:56
Speaker 1: mit this is.
37:57
Speaker 2: Very very important.
37:58
Speaker 1: But of course the key factor there is that Andrew
38:00
Speaker 1: Hasty was of course Ana sas officer who served in Afghanistan,
38:06
Speaker 1: so he's involved in the direct experience there. So we'll
38:09
Speaker 1: talk to him about that again another time. Thanks for
38:11
Speaker 1: joining us, Martin. I appreciate it. Martin Hamblin Smith. They're
38:15
Speaker 1: live from Adelaide, We've got to take a break. On
38:17
Speaker 1: the other side of the catch up with Liz Storer
38:19
Speaker 1: and Lisa Godard for a Wednesday Rangel.
38:21
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Instagram.
38:22
Speaker 1: Actually cracking down on teen accounts, maybe getting ahead of
38:26
Speaker 1: the law, and also more businesses trying to force workers
38:30
Speaker 1: back into the office. Now, before we wrangle, let's get
38:37
Speaker 1: into some light relief from the US. Kamala Harris spoke
38:40
Speaker 1: with the National Association of Black Journalists overnight and among
38:44
Speaker 1: other things, she trotted out her folksy background story again.
38:49
Speaker 1: I mean, the Americans love Abraham Lincoln's log cabin backstory,
38:53
Speaker 1: and in Australia we keep hearing about Prime Minister Anthony
38:56
Speaker 1: Alberzi growing up with his single mother in public health housing.
39:00
Speaker 1: But Kawala Harris can't match any of that. She can't
39:03
Speaker 1: even refer to a working class background. Now she reckons
39:08
Speaker 1: middle class is tough enough.
39:10
Speaker 21: I grew up a middle class kid. My mother was
39:13
Speaker 21: hard working. She raised me and my sister Maya. She
39:16
Speaker 21: saved up and it was only by the time I
39:20
Speaker 21: was a teenager that she could afford to actually buy
39:24
Speaker 21: her first home.
39:26
Speaker 2: So I'm familiar.
39:28
Speaker 1: We've heard this stuff almost word for word previously, and
39:31
Speaker 1: no matter what a question is, have a listen.
39:34
Speaker 8: When we talk about bringing down prices and making life
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Speaker 8: more affordable for people, what are one or two specific
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Speaker 8: things you have in mind for that.
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Speaker 17: Well, I'll start with this. I grew up a middle
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Speaker 17: class kid. My mother raised my sister and me. She
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Speaker 17: worked very hard. She was able to finally save up
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Speaker 17: enough money to buy our first house when I was
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Speaker 17: a teenager.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the middle class kid thing even got run a
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Speaker 1: couple of times in the debate.
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Speaker 15: I know you say that your values have not changed,
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Speaker 15: So then why have so many of your policy positions changed.
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Speaker 17: I grew up a middle class kid, raised by a
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Speaker 17: hardworking mother who worked and saved and was able to
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Speaker 17: buy our first home when I was a teenager.
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Speaker 8: When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans
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Speaker 8: are better off than they were four years ago?
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Speaker 17: So I was raised as a middle class kid.
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Speaker 2: Enough enough, it's meaningless. But we're getting in at rallies too.
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Speaker 21: I grew up a middle class kid.
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Speaker 17: I was raised by a hard working mother who saved
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Speaker 17: up and by the time I was a teenager, she
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Speaker 17: was able to afford to buy our first home.
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Speaker 1: Now apart from showing that Harris doesn't have a lot
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Speaker 1: to say. It all becomes a bit pointless, doesn't it
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Speaker 1: When your log cabin's story is the hot, bright king
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Speaker 1: saga of a comfortable upbringing in a middle class suburb.
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Speaker 1: Come on, it's okay, you don't have to be a victim.
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Speaker 1: Let's bring in our Wednesday Rangel now joining me as
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Speaker 1: late debate co host Liz Storer in Sydney and joining
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Speaker 1: us in Brisbane as Lisa Godard from a Dony Media
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Speaker 1: filling in for Justin Smith.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you both on board.
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Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts first up given we'll
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Speaker 1: be talking a lot about social media and how the
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Speaker 1: Australian government is going to try and keep kids off
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Speaker 1: of it until they're fourteen or sixteen years of age. Well, Instagram,
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Speaker 1: jump the gun now, Liz. They're actually setting up a
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Speaker 1: special system if you like, a special program for teenagers.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, but zero credit here. I really don't think it's you, Chris.
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Speaker 15: They know that the lawmakers are breathing down their necks.
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Speaker 15: The US General Surgeon a few months ago came out
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Speaker 15: with a completely damning report. Although we've had countless reports
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Speaker 15: and different investigative measures into this phenomenon of eating, disorders,
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Speaker 15: of depression, of anxiety, of all kinds of mental health,
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Speaker 15: mainly disorders that kids are acquiring since they've been exposed
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Speaker 15: to social media. So we've known about this for years
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Speaker 15: and years and years, and the measures that Instagram is
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Speaker 15: actually taking now a very menial. I genuinely don't think
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Speaker 15: that they're going to make that much of a difference.
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Speaker 15: They've said that kids won't be able to see scenes
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Speaker 15: such as fighting scenes or say, reels that promote cosmetic surgery.
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Speaker 15: They've also promised that the algorithm will no longer recommend
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Speaker 15: to young people sexually explicit content. Well, why don't you
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Speaker 15: make that kind of portographic content, Why aren't you blocking
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Speaker 15: that along with cosmetic et cetera, et cetera. So, reading
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Speaker 15: into the fine print of what Instagram's doing here, I
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Speaker 15: genuinely think it's just to be seen to do something.
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Speaker 15: And the fact that they have the power if they
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Speaker 15: wanted to disallow account sixteen and younger to even see
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Speaker 15: any of that explicit sexually explicit stuff in particular, and
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Speaker 15: they aren't making those measures, I mean, it says a
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Speaker 15: lot about who's running the platform, and whether they actually
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Speaker 15: care about the mental health of young people today.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lisa, I think that's an important point, right. They've
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Speaker 1: been forced into this. They could have done this years ago,
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Speaker 1: but they forced into this because politicians are putting pressure on.
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Speaker 1: And it also shows though, and that's the pleasing thing.
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Speaker 1: It shows how they can do this stuff. They have
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Speaker 1: all the algorithms, they can protect their kids if they
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Speaker 1: want to.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 16: I think, even further to Lizzar's point, one of the
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Speaker 16: other areas that they could restrict is suicide and self harm.
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Speaker 16: So it's not just pornography. They already have shown they
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Speaker 16: have the ability to not show that to kids that
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Speaker 16: are under a certain age, and they are doing it
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Speaker 16: so that they needed to self police. It's a long
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Speaker 16: time ago, but I can tell you from a parent's perspective, yes, Liza,
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Speaker 16: you're right, they could have been doing something about this
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Speaker 16: a long time ago. But at the moment, as a parent,
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Speaker 16: anything extra that is there to help you shield your children,
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Speaker 16: I think is a good thing because it is particularly
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Speaker 16: tough and I know a lot of parents have had
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Speaker 16: children who have put in the fake dates. So if
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Speaker 16: they kids are caught trying to change their date of birth,
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Speaker 16: so that they can actually access the full unrestricted Instagram
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Speaker 16: a meta world. Then I think it's a good thing
44:39
Speaker 16: if those sort of triggers are in place to try
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Speaker 16: to stop that.
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Speaker 1: Let's just have a look at a sky One News
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Speaker 1: UK explainer on what Instagram are going to.
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Speaker 15: Do introducing Instagram teen accounts.
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Speaker 22: Under sixteens will now have automatic teen accounts with parental
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Speaker 22: controls as the default setting.
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Speaker 7: Plus teens under sixteen.
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Speaker 22: Parents and guardians with oversight of the accounts be able
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Speaker 22: to limit the times they can access it and who
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Speaker 22: they interact with.
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Speaker 2: I think I might get a team account myself.
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Speaker 1: It might be a lot nicer on Instagram.
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Speaker 2: Now let's move on to another.
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Speaker 1: So we keep talking about getting people into the office,
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Speaker 1: stop them working at home where it's not necessary, and
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Speaker 1: into the office. And Gila McLaughlin used to run the
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Speaker 1: AFL of course runs tab court. Now he's pushing this
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Speaker 1: Lisa and also Amazon him.
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Speaker 2: This is interesting.
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Speaker 1: You know, one of the big onlines, the big digital
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Speaker 1: companies even saying they need people in the office.
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Speaker 16: Remember the day when they were out there lecturing us
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Speaker 16: all how you people just work from home? Thing was great.
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Speaker 16: You need to provide flexibility and I can tell you
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Speaker 16: as a small business owner, you look at that and go, look,
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Speaker 16: I need my team in the office. So if you
45:43
Speaker 16: had colleagues who had friends working for the government, it
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Speaker 16: was a bit of a battle to say, look, I
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Speaker 16: need you in the office. But now you've got the
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Speaker 16: big corporates finally saying yes, hey, guess what, people, this
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Speaker 16: is good for team culture. It's good for morale and
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Speaker 16: even creativity. So I think it's a good thing. And
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Speaker 16: what boggled my mind was Amazon has got one point
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Speaker 16: five million people they need to try to wrangle back
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Speaker 16: into offices. And here's my challenge. We are just shy
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Speaker 16: of going to their polls here in Queensland. Where's the
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Speaker 16: Queensland government going to come out and say we want
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Speaker 16: all public servants back in the office. South Wales has
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Speaker 16: done it in Queensland.
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Speaker 1: Dream on, Yeah, Liz, I think this is the thing
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Speaker 1: where your governments don't get enough criticism.
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Speaker 2: Here.
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Speaker 1: Governments are the ones who's forced people to work from home,
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Speaker 1: often unnecessarily during the pandemic and labor governments have given
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Speaker 1: in since the federal public servants now have the sort
46:32
Speaker 1: of predisposition to work from home unless there's some reason
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Speaker 1: that they shouldn't be and they need to pull back
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Speaker 1: from this. Otherwise everybody's going to be working from home.
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Speaker 1: You won't be able to get a spot at the
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Speaker 1: beach on a Friday.
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Speaker 15: No, I think they can get stuffed Chris. It was
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Speaker 15: these guys who locked up millions of perfectly healthy people
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Speaker 15: in their homes for months and months and months on end.
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Speaker 15: And what happened. People discovered a much better work life balance.
46:58
Speaker 15: People discovered not spending two hours a day on public
47:03
Speaker 15: transport getting to and from work. People discovered that they
47:06
Speaker 15: could maybe drop off the kids at school, share a
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Speaker 15: little bit of the burden, maybe have a nice workout
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Speaker 15: in the morning. They had more time on their hands.
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Speaker 15: And while these big corporates are now saying, nope, we're
47:18
Speaker 15: putting our foot down. You've got to return to the office,
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Speaker 15: as is their right to do. What they've got to
47:24
Speaker 15: deal with is the fact, and I know many many
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Speaker 15: people personally where this newfound flexibility is a deal breaker
47:31
Speaker 15: for them. And if their employer said to them, you
47:34
Speaker 15: come into the office five days a week now nine
47:37
Speaker 15: to five, or you lose your job, they'd happily go
47:41
Speaker 15: elsewhere because they'll simply seek out employers who do afford
47:45
Speaker 15: them that new found flexibility which they've had for years
47:48
Speaker 15: now and very much enjoy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an employees market at the moment. Though, when
47:55
Speaker 1: the labor market titans a bit, that might change. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: at the moment, I know people who tell me a
47:59
Speaker 1: buss there's people.
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Speaker 2: Young people coming in applying.
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Speaker 1: For jobs are basically saying I'll take the job, but
48:04
Speaker 1: only if I can do it from home. So I
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Speaker 1: think that's going to change. I want to get onto
48:08
Speaker 1: the cost cost of living. I talked last night about
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Speaker 1: Tim Tams hitting six dollars. They got up fifty percent
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Speaker 1: in three years, Lisa, seven bucks now for a cup
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Speaker 1: of coffee, right, a cup of coffee more than a
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Speaker 1: packet a Tim Tam.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, we were talking about this before. I remember the
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Speaker 16: day when you used to look at the petrol prices
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Speaker 16: and that was the gauge as to what was happening
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Speaker 16: with inflation. How is the cost of living going? How
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Speaker 16: indulged are we now that we now rate it by?
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Speaker 16: How much is the cost of a cup of coffee?
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Speaker 16: But as somebody who drinks long blacks, here's my gripe
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Speaker 16: with you, Chris I understand your cost of going up
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Speaker 16: for cafes. I understand that there's electricity, you've got the
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Speaker 16: cost of milk, et cetera. Going up, You've got wages.
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Speaker 16: But for those of us who drink long blacks, where
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Speaker 16: is a discount?
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Speaker 21: We're not.
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Speaker 16: It's no more expensive to make the long black than
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Speaker 16: if you have someone beside you order the Brazilian nut
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Speaker 16: milk special.
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Speaker 2: They've got to be cheaper. There's no milk. You're going
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Speaker 2: to get cheaper long blacks.
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Speaker 1: I'll get the best coffee I get every day is
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Speaker 1: the one I make at home. Anyway, we'll take up
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Speaker 1: that cause, Liz champion the rights of a cheaper coffee
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Speaker 1: for the long black drinkers.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely.
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Speaker 15: I literally had this exact rant on the Late Debate
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Speaker 15: last night. Lisa, So I'm bagging you. There's no dairy
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Speaker 15: and form, there's no frothing involved. You've literally plassed one
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Speaker 15: button to give me my long.
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Speaker 9: Black, and I ran out away.
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Speaker 15: Exactly, and on a public holiday in the area in
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Speaker 15: which I live, you're already talking about seven bucks.
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Speaker 9: I kid you not.
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Speaker 15: It is daylight robbery. I know overheads et cetera have
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Speaker 15: gone up, but how on earth is that worth seven bunths?
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Speaker 9: We are right out of time campaign.
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Speaker 1: We are right out of time, Lisa and Liz, thanks
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Speaker 1: so much. We'll get cheaper long blacks now, so we'll.
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Speaker 2: All give up the milk. We'll all get skinnier as
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Speaker 2: well as have more.
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Speaker 1: Money in our pocket. Thanks for joining me. I'll see
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Speaker 1: you next week. Caleb Bond standing in tomorrow night for me.
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Speaker 2: Here's Peter Kredlin.