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S4 E8 - Special Investigation update and Couples That Kill · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Hi, everybody. Hello, So happy that you're here. I'm happy to
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  be here. And I'm gonna apologize now that I sound like I smoke thirty
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  packs of cigarettes a day. But it's just a Texas cold. I promise
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  no COVID. I've done several tests. I just sound like a man.
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  Hi everybody, Hi, everybody? Hell are you today? Right? Right?
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  And before yeah, go, before we get started, I just have
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  to say happy anniversary. Oh yeah, it's like in a day or two,
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  right it is. But since we're together now, you know, we
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  can celebrate now. And if I don't tell you now, I'll forget well,
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  yeah, tell me about it. I can't say anything nothing whatsoever about
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  forgetting things. Yeah, it's been what it's been a year since at least
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  I popped on board, right, No, it's so. It was three
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  years ago that we did our first joint episode, what has Mama Bear's thing
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  fell down? In the podcast studio we were talking about her and do you
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  remember that in her obituary card fell down from a top shelf. Yes,
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  we were doing the pump Palm Mom from Channel View Texas. That's right,
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  three years ago, Yahi. I mean, admittedly there's like two and a
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  half years there that I just kind of have blocked out. But uh,
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  you know, yeah I was. I yeah, Frank Franco called me out.
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  I deserve it. I was two years off. Now, how dare
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  I? No one hate me? But you do have mails and to tell
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  you, so I think it just happens. I mean yeah, but like
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  I remember my wife's birthday, the kid's birthdays, our anniversary, I remember
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  when we were married. Like, I don't have problems there. Okay,
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  then you're perfect. You don't need to care about me, you just need
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  to care about her and them. I'm far from I'm so far from per
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  Oh my god. Oh hey, I mean you were raised right. Because
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  I have so many friends that are married, their husbands don't remember their birthdays,
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  don't remember their anniversaries. I've become the person that texts them, Hey,
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  don't forget to get your wife a president. Hey, don't forget it's
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  tomorrow and I do my kids. Hey, don't forget it's your dad's birthday.
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  Who I divorce? But you still need to remember whom? So I
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  get it. Yeah, I mean I will say this. There is a
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  bit of cheating, and that's because I usually am the one that goes to
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  the pharmacy and picks up prescriptions. So I am constantly saying birthdays were and
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  over again to get the medication. So, okay, I was worried when
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  you said that you were cheating. I was getting ready to just go on
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  a different tangent and say, how dare you carry? Was gonna ring your
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  beautiful wife? Right? No, no, that is not the case.
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  I will help her bury your body. I would help me bury my body.
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  I would help her bury my pronouns are hard, the pronouns are difficult.
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  We've got some foot let's see here. Hold on, I say some
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  folks have popped in. Hello Sydney. Hello, I'm sing, says sexy
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  voice Terry. Well, I'm glad somebody likes it. I've been told I
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  would forget my calmness if they weren't attached. Hello, Holly Berry. You
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  know, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. We hope that you
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  enjoy the show. The beginning of it is usually a catch up time,
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  which we're going to do, not the condiment uh and uh. Then we're
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  going to hop into an update on on true crime. Wine Time investigates h
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  Chase Lackey and then we're going to pass right on through that and to our
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  our live recording of our podcast in which we're discussing couples that kill. So
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  this is going to be fun now if I can throw us off track,
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  I sent you a picture of a little fur thing. How about for part
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  of our catchup? We normally talk about headlines. I need to tell you
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  and I will tell you when to post it. But this just happened,
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  and I got permission from the officer who posted this, and it is a
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  theft report, so let me share. Let me apparently send it to myself
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  because I didn't do it, Okay, I can read while you're pulling it
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  up. Yes, yes, Yes. On the morning of September twentieth,
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  twenty twenty three, at six point fifty five am, I entered the kitchen
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  area of my residence to grab some fresh made sausage patties. Upon my arrival,
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  eight sausage patties and the paper plate they were on was missing from the
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  kitchen counter. An inspection of the area yielded an empty paper plate on the
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  floor with a single strand of what appeared to be a black dog hare.
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  The suspect fight as Buckles was last seen heading for the doggy door with a
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  full belly and a guilty look on his plate, and we have his photo
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  coming up right now. There's Buckles. Buckles looks like he's seen some ship.
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  Look some ship. He also kind of looks like he might have gotten
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  into the catnip, possibly into a special brownie. There's there's a shanka.
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  Can you confirm is that special brownie? Stare? That's what I want to
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  know, Holly says, Buckles. You know that is what I said on
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  my friend's post. I said, wait a minute, he is innocent till
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  proven guilty, and I will volunteer to be on the jury. And I've
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  decided he's innocent. Tody and the donkey toy said my trying to take kid's
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  apple out of her hand today. Justice for Buckles. I'm his alibi.
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  We were in the movie. But I saw that on my friend's Facebook,
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  and I texted him on the side, I'm like, can I please share
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  this on my live stream because this is the perfect crime, even though we're
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  not doing a perfect crime tonight. He and look at that look. He
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  said, who me, I didn't do it? It wouldn't It is the
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  shaggy defense. It wasn't me, oh my gosh, said because con bean
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  looks like it looks like that when I have of all the Okay, oh,
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  Tabitha, We're glad that you are, and thank you so much for
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  the kind comment. Yes, and thanks for tuning in. Thank you.
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  Okay, now I actually have tears. What no, no, no,
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  no, that is not a guilty. Look, he's just wondering why his
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  dad is taking a picture of him at seven o'clock in the morning before he's
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  had his coffee. Coffee, that's what that is. We We didn't even
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  have him sign a waiver. Oh, my daughter in love and granddaughter that
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  is them. That is monkey butt and my daughter in love making guys.
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  Yes, I cute coming up with this one because that makes me laugh when
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  you're older, When you're older, My tash, Well, so that was
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  adorable. You said you had a we're not there yet either, we're not
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  there there we are You said you had had you had that story, and
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  I had no idea what to expect. But I am psyched now that you
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  told me that. That's adorable. My Ramona, who was eleven and doesn't
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  give any of those things. Since I now know the age of somebody who's
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  watching, h she mona will just kind of inch towards the table. And
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  there was one point where as as little Bruce Crime was grabbing, I almost
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  said, his name is grabbing his burger. She literally just went and just
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  right out of his hand, right out of his hands. We're getting questions
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  about that. Oh oh yes, I am just gonna say, from my
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  opinion, he was shell shocked and beyond excited. Can I play it?
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  Can? I'm gonna play it on I'm gonna play it tomorrow on the stream.
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  I don't know if you want You're okay with Are you okay with me
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  playing? Oh my god, it's a little brute crime. Please remember I
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  once sent him a toy story wreath I made. Yes, I'm going to
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  take a picture of that and post it because it's amazing. What adage.
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  Because I was gonna asks about donations and stuffy raising money. I did that
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  last night, and uh, some folks donnated, which is good. I
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  don't know how much you read the number to me? Every hundred thirty nine,
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  so it's own four hundred? Is that how much? It was over
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  four hundred? Yeah, I had to get over four hundred. I neber
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  Rotten over four hundred, didn't hear unbridled joy? And then I had to
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  hit pause because immediately after that the Blue theme song came on. And I
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  don't feel like getting a copyright strike, So come on, why not let's
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  not. We don't want a copyright strike before we want ties. Terry,
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  that's true, that's true. Let's not get in trouble anywhere. Please.
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  Well, he was super excited. He is still excited, and so I
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  will be putting all of that into into the thing. It takes a second
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  to like transfer everything, so once I do, okay, just made me
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  everybody. I give my littles, my grandkids. I named Miss Elizabeth monkey
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  butt because I made her little diaper covers with this cute little monkey's face so
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  that when she crawled, her butt shook and had a little monkey on it,
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  and so I named her monkey butt. Ah. And I have friends
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  and former co workers. They'll be like, hey, it's monkey button.
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  They're like, by the way, does she have a name? Nope?
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  I'm like it's monkey Nope, not at all. I can't wait till she
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  grows up and gets married and I embarrass her. Oh yeah, oh for
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  sure, monkey butt I mean you should like like elbow your way to a
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  microphone during the wedding and make sure to elbow my way. Are you kidding?
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  I'll just walk home and take it all right, Well, mama's in
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  the house, Mama is in the hose. But little monkey butt before we
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  get to headline, since we're talking about kids. I don't know if anybody
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  has seen because I've started doing this insane thing with TikTok and makeup, which
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  I'm not great at. But I saw an update right before we went live
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  about the daycare in New York where the kids were exposed to Sentinel and one
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  die. Three were saying they've arrested the owner of the daycare, who said
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  she didn't know, but they found a kilo a fentanyl today. They found
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  a trap door inside the daycare with all of this drugs and stuff. And
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  I saw it right before I walked in here, and I told Hh,
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  I said, could you do me a favor? He goes, what I
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  say, could you turn that f and off? Because that pisss me off.
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  Who would ever consider distributing drugs from a daycare? A cover? Who?
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  Yeah, Like, there are so many easier businesses to have as a
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  cover, so like I get it, like innocence and kids and stuff like
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  that, Like, well, I don't get it, but like I see
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  where that was going. But like own a laundromat, like creaking bad.
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  They did all their cooking under like an industrial I'm not giving you hints or
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  tips like, but seriously keep it out of the ca But the fact that
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  she and the other thing, so it was a home daycare, it had
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  been open about a year, had passed all of its inspections. She was
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  renting out a room within this home daycare to the sky. But they apparently
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  were doing this together. So they originally found a press thing. And then
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  I did the update yesterday that they found the kilo a fentanyl and then tonight
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  that seeing the picture, Lester Holt, you know, was talking about it,
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  and I'm like, it was an entire hidden drawer with multiple bags of
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  drugs and stuff. The fact that only one child died is shocking. They
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  had to give narcan to the other children and we're talking toddlers, so they're
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  holding them both and not letting them out on bail. I do believe we
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  have a justice system to some degree. They have a right to trial.
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  I can't help but think we should just take them out behind the barn.
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  Yeah, we should give them to buckles. We should do something. Cash
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  says that what's crazy is that that place was inspected week. Well, so
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  I'm curious and I'm going to be doing a deep dive tonight into it.
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  I want to know how they found the trap door in the daycare, because
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  they didn't find it when they did the initial search, because this happened three
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  days ago is when I believe I covered it the first time. Sorry,
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  being sick this week, I'm a little lost, but I want to know
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  how they found it. And I don't know what the rules are in New
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  York, but I hope they're going to prison and they never get out.
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  Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. I mean, we send
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  our kids to school in daycare and we expect them to be safe, and
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  you know they're going to be okay. And why would you start a daycare
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  a person who runs a daycare. My aunt, my dad's sister owned a
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  daycare for many, many years in Galveston. People were on the waiting list
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  to go there because everybody wanted to stay there. She did it because she
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  loved kids, not because she made a lot of money. You know,
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  my uncle was a fire chief. She wanted to stay at home with her
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  kids, and she did it because she loved kids. Why would you start
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  a daycare because, let me tell you, taking care of kids is not
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  easy. No, no ah, that's so I just need to say that
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  they need to just go away. Just go away for sure, for sure.
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  All right, Okay, I love this. Somebody little one is called
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  Bacon Bit. Yeah she's Bacon uncle Bacon, but bacon Bit. I love
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  that. Well, I'm ready to get started. Whenever you are, master.
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  That was the only time I will ever call you that, so you
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  better enjoy it. Must be the decongestent. Must Seo has had like fifty
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  shades on for like a consistent like three weeks. So if you've caught that,
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  then that's I'm gonna say, that's why. And now I'm going to
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  hit the video. Here we go. Alrighty, well, before we get
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  into our update, we're gonna get serious for a minute. If you've seen
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  my TikTok and I think I maybe put it on our Facebook, we have
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  received two messages now on our tip line, and I just want to say
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  to the person or persons who called in to the tip line. One was
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  a call, one was a text tip and told us to stop looking into
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  the disappearance of Chase. That I do not like being told what to do,
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  and my parents found out the hard way telling me what to do means
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  I'm going to do the exact opposite. It got me in a lot of
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  trouble. But in this case, they're asking me to stop trying to give
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  a family piece. Yeah, I mean, and they have to you know
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  what they don't have to know. They probably don't know, but like saying
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  stop investigating tells us exactly what we want to know. I'm thinking, I
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  mean, right, and I just want to say, how dare you tell
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  us that? Because I want to say to them, just think if this
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  was your mother or someone you loved, if you know how to love,
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  was missing, wouldn't you want to bring them home, even if it's only
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  their remains? You know you want that piece because it breaks my heart.
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  And I'll be honest, I've lost many hours of sleep investigating this, as
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  I'm sure you have with me, messaging and us gone back and forth all
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  hours of the night. As a mom going to bed at night and not
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  knowing where my child is I can't. I can't, So I want to
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  say, do me a favor. If you know something, please call back,
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  tell us where to finding. Then I will give you what you want,
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  and so will JT, so will the two investigators. We will stop
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  looking into his disappearance because we will have found him, so you will get
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  what you want. Yep. And that's the only way it's going to stop
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  exactly. I mean, it may get to where we only do an update
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  once every three months or something because no new stuff is happening. But I
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  just want to say, how dare you? And I want you to go
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  look in the mirror, and I want you to think about there's got to
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  be somebody in your life that you love, or that somebody that loves you,
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  wouldn't you want them to be able to go to bed. Imagine somebody
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  ripped your drugs out of your hands and place them somewhere where you. I
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  mean, it sounds like I'm making a joke, but I'm not, because
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  my guess is that they love that more than anything else, and so I
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  don't. I mean, I hate assuming, but I'm going to assume.
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  I feel safe at this point for now, And just imagine somebody ripped it
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  out of your hands, and it's like, you know what, it's going
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  away, and they buried it somewhere and you had no access to anything else
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  and you had to figure out where it was. I'm pretty sure you go
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  to the ends of the earth to actually probably try and find it. And
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  that's where we're at. That's where we're at. Yeah. So I just
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  wanted to put that out there because one thing that they've done is they've made
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  me want to do even more and has kind of lit a fire under me
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  because you've told me what to do. I don't like being told and you
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  want me to go against humanity. Yeah, I you know, I thought
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  I heard, like I thought, I felt a disturbance in the force with
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  like Handsome Hubby and a massive like ooh after you received that and told him
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  about it, Like I just I felt this, like I must confess.
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  And I know Handsome hubbies not watching because he's out mowing the back forty.
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  I haven't told him about the notes, oh boy, Oh well, yes,
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  Kelly, we both have po boxes. I haven't told him. They
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  were not threatening, They didn't say they were going to do anything. They
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  basically said stop looking into his disappearance dub h for when you're listening to this
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  later, I want you to know I had no idea that you didn't know.
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  Oh what did you just throw me under the bus and it's found our
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  anniversary because he can destroy. He's a big burly man and I tap dance
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  there, come on, and I'm gonna just say to make it a bugy
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  bet. If y'all are still watching, you better keep your mouth shut.
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  Little girl. Well, I mean, you know, once we download this
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  episode, he's sure gonna know, yeah, considering he's one who edits all
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  of our audio to put it up on the podcast. Like I said,
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  the only reason I haven't told him is because, like I said, I've
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  been sick this week. We won't get into details about some of the little
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  craziness I had to help him happen with my health. But that's the only
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  reason I'm here. Oh hello, and I don't that is my son h
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  j oh crap, Facebook, Yes that is John Jeffa. Just tell me
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  what it'll ast to keep secrets, because mama, mom, keep some of
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  your secrets if need be. But so, like I said, I just
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  want them to know that you know, we're not doing this because we want
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  to put you in prison if you did this, that's the cops job.
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  I want to bring Chase home. I need to be able to go to
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  bed at night knowing that Craig and Debbie know what happened to their son,
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  because if it's causing me to not sleep, I can't even try to put
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  myself in their shoes. I can't. Yeah, so I'm just going to
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  say, just tell us where he is and then I'll give you what you
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  want. Now, I don't know if JT you'll give you what you want,
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  but I am committing that I will give you what you want. Stop
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  looking into his disappearance, because we he won't be disappeared anymore. It is
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  a well known fact that I cost thirty five cents for everything, So you
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  know, you know I I I with with with the inflation, which isn't
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  terrible in comparison to other countries. You know. I just like the lower
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  I like to lower my the bar, right, so everybody you know I'm
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  for everybody. I'm for everybody. Everybody. I'm not for everybody, I
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  said say, I am not for everybody, and that's why I've got two
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  ex hustans. Oh you have a whole husband, and so JT, is
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  it okay if spill a little tea with your permission? Sure? So JT
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  has agreed he is going to do since I do makeup and the headlines,
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  he is going to do a full face of makeup for our TikTok And absolutely
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  that will be coming here in a week, a couple of weeks. So
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  and I didn't even have to give him thirty five cents. My only thing
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  I wished is that we lived close enough so we could do it together.
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  Right. This is like this, This is literally like when Brandy sent me
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  a text that said, hey, you know we're going to read this thing.
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  What do you think about wearing a wig? And I was like,
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  she did not expect me to say, I think I got one upstairs.
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  She expected me to put up a fight. I did not put up a
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  fight. And now I haven't a whole entire wig wall Go wow, I
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  just got a new one in but I'm saving it for our next Perfect Crime
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  episode because I did Jeffery's star. I'm not going to spill the tea.
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  But he has a different nickname that he used during a certain period of his
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  life. If he wants to share it. Who I did. He can't
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  know JEFFA did, but I will not say what it was. Yay,
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  I stay, I stay. I truly if I had another ten hours in
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  a day, Terry, you know this. If I had another ten hours
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  in a day, I would totally work on being a drag queen. I
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  do not have another ten hours in a day. But my ADHD says,
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  you totally need to do it. Oh and you could do my makeup.
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  I could do yours, it could You could probably teach me a few things.
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  Is that that is nickname? Is that his nickname? It just showed
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  up in the chat. It Actually there's well, dynamic is missing, he
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  added there you yeah, just imagine as a mom the first time I heard
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  that, if I would have been drinking something, I would have spit it
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  out. But I just remember, huh. I don't know if it is.
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  I don't want to I don't know what I don't want to do.
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  You can maybe ask my handsome son in love about that, but I don't
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  need to know. Just knowing that its dynamic is more than this mom ever
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  needed. I mean, it's better than bland. That's all I'm saying now
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  to the person the person who sent the message about stop investigating. I'm gonna
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  say, as a mom, I would even go to the end of the
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  earth to find out what happened to the dynamic penis. And now we're gonna
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  keep going. So it was Tommy's birthday yesterday? Oh, happy birthday,
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  Tommy. I think it was yesterday. The days are blending every time every
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  time I see Tommy's name. When I joined the thirteenth, You're I have
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  to stop because I know a Tommy Jones and I'm always like, wait,
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  is that her? I'm like, oh wait, no, there's more than
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  one Tommy Jones in this world. I know what Tommy lead You men in
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  Black Essex say, isn't that an actor? And yeah, yeah, okay,
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  that was being an ass. Okay, sorry monkey, but ignore me.
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  I didn't say that. Okay, that's okay. Well, now we're
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  going to get into Chase's update, and I want to start with the timeline
• 30:56
  that JT is going to share. And this timeline is the weekend that Chase
• 31:03
  was last seen. Oh yeah, I might have to pull that up on
• 31:08
  my screen too, because these old eyes cannot see that. And you would
• 31:15
  think I would grew You can full screen, if you hover over the feat
• 31:22
  Oh, now I can see it there. You got it. Cool.
• 31:25
  So Friday, June thirtieth, Chase played in a softball game in Crosby,
• 31:30
  Texas. Several of his family members were there. One thing I want to
• 31:34
  say here when talking to I've talked to ten twelve people now, but talking
• 31:41
  to several of Chase's friends, one of the friends told me that he is
• 31:47
  envious of the relationship Chase had with his parents. He goes, as you
• 31:52
  know, an adult, he goes the fact that his dad and his sister
• 31:57
  went to watch him play softball well in ARECT League. That's really cool because
• 32:06
  I swam and played water polo. I can tell you my father never saw
• 32:10
  me swim and never saw me play water polo. My mom maybe did once
• 32:15
  or twice. But they were always at my brother's football and baseball games,
• 32:22
  which is fine because my grandmother was always there. But I thought that was
• 32:24
  really cool that this thirty one year old male told me he goes, yeah,
• 32:30
  he goes. I was kind of envious because he wasn't a mama's boy,
• 32:35
  so to speak, or a daddy's boy. They just they were a
• 32:39
  good family and they loved each other. So I think that's really cool,
• 32:43
  and I think as a parent, it made me realize I need to make
• 32:46
  sure I support my adult children as much as I did when they were children,
• 32:52
  because I don't think about that. Of course, neither one of my
• 32:55
  children played sports, but I should still support them and the other things that
• 33:00
  they do. Yeah, I mean, that's that's one thing that I don't
• 33:04
  take for granted and appreciate, you know, is that Papa and Mama Bruce
• 33:07
  Crime. They they are extremely supportive and have been since day one, so
• 33:13
  day zero really and still continue to be so, and not in an enabling
• 33:19
  way, but like in a very supportive you know what I mean. Like
• 33:21
  there's a difference between enabling and being supportive, and they're just very good at
• 33:23
  it. So yeah, like Mama Bear, which is what we call my
• 33:28
  mom because are what our maiden, my maiden name was. She is who
• 33:32
  got me into true crime, And you know, she would be in these
• 33:37
  chats talking with us and she would be telling but Mariska would have done it
• 33:43
  this way and I'd be like, Mom, I'm not Olivia than Son.
• 33:45
  He can't. Sorry. So then on Saturday, oh go ahead, no,
• 33:54
  no, I was literally gonna say, so what was next? And
• 33:57
  you were going there? So there we go. Oh so on Saturday,
• 34:00
  July first, and I want to say real quick, this information all comes
• 34:06
  from the police reports that are starting to come in from my Freedom of Information
• 34:10
  Act request. Okay, so this is actually in police files. Okay,
• 34:17
  just want to make that clear. So on July first, Chase was seen
• 34:22
  outside his apartment with Champ and he also texted with a friend around ten pm
• 34:28
  on Saturday. Okay. Then on Sunday, yeah, and if you see
• 34:35
  my dates don't work, that should be Sunday, July second, Chase was
• 34:38
  seen at the apartment complex. He was helping a neighbor move items into a
• 34:44
  U haul, so somebody was moving out. The interesting thing there the two
• 34:49
  witnesses, they could not one hundred percent say it was Sunday. They went
• 34:55
  back and forth between Saturday and Sunday. Part of me wants to say it
• 35:02
  was on Saturday. The reason why his family tried to call and text him
• 35:07
  on Sunday and there was no response and there was no activity on that phone
• 35:13
  on Chase's in after Saturday. But the police style's say Sunday. That's where
• 35:19
  they landed with it. So that's where we're gonna land with it, Okay,
• 35:22
  Okay. So then on Monday, July third, when they started looking
• 35:30
  at bank statements, Chase used his debit card at a Shell station in Houston.
• 35:37
  But as we all know, he could have used that card on Saturday
• 35:40
  and it not posted till Monday, right, And we'll get into that more
• 35:47
  with our next slides, because the police did not do a great job of
• 35:54
  looking into that. But Chase was also supposed to be in traffic and he
• 36:00
  did not show up for traffic court that day. So now the next day
• 36:08
  is when family and a couple of friends went to Chase's apartment looking for him.
• 36:15
  Emily keep on going. Then on July fifth, I mean, I
• 36:20
  give his family and friends credit. They just jumped right in. They did
• 36:24
  not wait. They were like, yeah, this is not normal. He
• 36:30
  did not respond to text from his mom, his dad, his sister,
• 36:35
  his besties. They were like, we're going find out what's going on.
• 36:38
  So they started putting up flyers immediately. So July fifth, now, I'm
• 36:46
  not gonna call off the apartment complex this name. I'm gonna be nice.
• 36:51
  They forced them to take them down, and I'm just gonna tell you I
• 37:00
  would not live in that complex. I would not live in any property that
• 37:06
  they own. They did not cooperate with the private investigator, family or police.
• 37:13
  They were a roadblock. I think you should call them out, to
• 37:17
  be honest with you, because I would never Yeah, Chunk is right,
• 37:21
  I would put them on blast. Well, but okay, well let me
• 37:25
  rephrase that. I'm not putting them out on blast now because I have sent
• 37:30
  them a letter asking them why is it a corporate policy? If I don't
• 37:37
  hear back, or if I don't like their answer, I'm gonna blast them
• 37:42
  all over the place. I am giving them the opportunity to defend themselves because
• 37:46
  maybe it was just one person in the office that was that way. Maybe
• 37:51
  it wasn't a corporate policy. Yeah, it could have been either a really
• 37:54
  crappy person or a person having a bad day. But that's a pretty bad
• 37:58
  day, Like that's that's a aliens are invading in the world's exploding kind of
• 38:01
  a bad day. Yeah. I mean, I don't work in that industry,
• 38:07
  but I happen to know someone who does, and I can't imagine that
• 38:13
  he would not go to his corporate office and say, hey, this happened.
• 38:16
  This person's missing, let's do this. How about this? Even the
• 38:22
  family wanted to because this happened July fourth, they wanted to keep the apartment
• 38:27
  in case he came back. Still charged him for rent the next month.
• 38:30
  Couldn't you have come him a month? No? No, they won't because
• 38:37
  you move into properties. I remember back when I lived in an apartment,
• 38:39
  there would be all these concessions, Oh, you can have a month free
• 38:45
  kind of think. Couldn't he have given him a month free? So you
• 38:50
  know, those are predatory apartment complexes, and I don't like those. I
• 38:53
  have no patience for those. It's like predatory health insurance. I don't like
• 38:58
  it. I have no patience for it. I'm trying to give them the
• 39:01
  opportunity to respond. If they don't, I'll not all landlord's Kelly. But
• 39:08
  yeah, there's a lot of them that are. But then I will put
• 39:12
  them out. So there's that. Now we jump to Thursday, September twenty
• 39:17
  first. During that time, the police were doing a lot of interviews,
• 39:22
  they were doing some investigation. But these are really things that lit my mind
• 39:28
  up. So those are the dates I put on here when I created this.
• 39:31
  Someone attempted to use Chase's debit card at in East Houston ATM so,
• 39:39
  hold on, it was not Chase. They did get the video footage and
• 39:45
  it was not Chase. Okay, but they have the video footage. M
• 39:51
  H. I've put in the request for it, so waiting to see if
• 39:53
  we get it. Why. You know what, I'm going to ask a
• 39:57
  lot of obvious questions, which is the reason, why did they find did
• 40:01
  they contact this person? Did they find the person? No, it is
• 40:08
  they did not put in their notes. Now the documents are still coming in,
• 40:15
  so we've gotten seventy nine pages so far. Don't want to say they
• 40:19
  didn't look into it as of right now. I know you were reading.
• 40:22
  You read the reports the investigators did. As of now, there's no documentation
• 40:28
  that they did anything besides look at the video photos and say it was in
• 40:30
  Chase. They did not investigate more that we see right now. It could
• 40:37
  come in later documents, so I try. I'm trying to be very careful
• 40:42
  not throw them under the bus quite yet. We should get the next round
• 40:47
  of documents next week and then it's going to be Katie Bar Katie Bar the
• 40:52
  door. All I'm saying is that this is not a shoe, but I
• 40:57
  am going to let you know what it is. So okay, yep,
• 41:01
  yep, I'm going to keep out. I will wait. I'll wait till
• 41:05
  you unleash me. Yeah. So that's kind of where I'm at. And
• 41:08
  just so everybody knows when I say East Houston, since I grew up there,
• 41:14
  a lot of people may be confused. The east side of Houston is
• 41:19
  north Shore, Channel View, Crosby, Baytown, and some other little areas.
• 41:23
  We all had Houston zip codes except for Crosby and Baytown, but it's
• 41:29
  considered the east side of town. We were past the Budweiser brewery past there,
• 41:37
  so you could smell the hops in the air growing up. But anyway,
• 41:40
  that's a different like you have a Budweiser brewery down the road from you,
• 41:44
  and so do I. Yeah. So then next eighteen, a tip
• 41:52
  came in that a body may be present in a pond in East Houston.
• 41:58
  So the tip came in and it was interesting. Somebody saw on Google Photos
• 42:04
  or Google earth Map photo thing this pond and they said it looked like there
• 42:09
  was a body there. Now they did do something. So if you see
• 42:15
  on Wednesday, the thirtieth, they actually searched that pond and no evidence of
• 42:21
  a body was found. Now, the interesting thing was the person called the
• 42:27
  tip in the photo was taken in November twenty seventeen, So if there was
• 42:32
  a body there in November, tip came in in May, animals, all
• 42:38
  kinds of things. But they did not find any evidence. But the interesting
• 42:44
  thing about that, unless they didn't document it or we haven't gotten it yet,
• 42:50
  they did not use kandiaver dogs or do that type of search to see
• 42:54
  if there was bones or remains. They just did a cursory search, or
• 43:00
  they didn't document. Well, when I hear the phrase cursor research, what
• 43:05
  I imagine is like eight dudes who usually are Department of trans no offense.
• 43:10
  It's not your fault, it's the system, Just like transportation workers who were
• 43:15
  just staring at a pothole and looking at it, going, that's a pothole,
• 43:21
  and then they walk away, unless, like I said, less,
• 43:25
  we're getting more documents. There was four names listed, so they didn't even
• 43:30
  have eight. Of course, not an entire pond, and we're sending four
• 43:37
  dudes. Yeah, so but hey, they looked. So I'm given on
• 43:44
  that, and I'm really hoping as more stuff comes in that I'll be able
• 43:46
  to put my foot in my mouth and say I was wrong. It just
• 43:51
  hadn't come in yet. And I almost didn't share this information, but I
• 43:54
  decided, you know what, scrow them. They should have sent it to
• 43:58
  me all at once, I was gonna say, but then she forgot that
• 44:00
  I was on the other side of this, and I am going to stay
• 44:04
  stupid stuff. Yeah. Now, then July sixteenth, twenty nineteen, you
• 44:10
  noticed there's a whole year there on warning year. So Chase's family received a
• 44:17
  tip saying what happened to Chase was common knowledge and that there was a female
• 44:22
  adult dancer who set up a fate drug buy and that Chase was killed during
• 44:28
  that. Now, whether it's a rumor, tip whatever, once again no
• 44:37
  investigation. And supposedly this they called her a female adult dancer. They called
• 44:45
  her an adult entertainer, and then they called her a stripper. And I'm
• 44:49
  like, Kenna, say she was a dancer. But so she was a
• 44:52
  dancer. Supposedly she lived in the same complex. And I actually, with
• 44:57
  talking to the people I've been interviewing, two of the people I talked to
• 45:01
  mentioned this, So it is a rumor or something that has gone around that
• 45:09
  would have happened. She lived in the same complex apparently, so if he
• 45:16
  was walking with this dog and was going to just drop it off, I
• 45:21
  could see maybe doing that because Chambs's little buddy. But I'm disturbed by the
• 45:29
  fact there's no investigation, no search warrants, because one of the individuals I
• 45:36
  talked to said, well, yeah, but it's common knowledge that she's done
• 45:39
  it before. Yeah, and it's just oddly specific, you know what I
• 45:47
  mean. It is like, it is just oddly specific that it is a
• 45:53
  it's a it's a it's it's a dancer who lives in that exact same neighborhood
• 45:59
  or apartment complex set up. It just so is so oddly specific and appropriate
• 46:05
  in terms of a person who could do it. Well. Yeah, so
• 46:14
  yeah, I, like I said, I'm trying. I grew up there.
• 46:20
  I know a couple of people that work in that Sheriff's department. They're
• 46:22
  not a bad group of people. They are understaffed. But god, if
• 46:29
  this was a blonde, good looking girl, you can't tell me they wouldn't
• 46:32
  have done a lot more. Now, if it was me, they would
• 46:37
  have probably been like Yeah, No, she's too much trouble. But I
• 46:42
  mean, do you remember when she was growing up? I think not.
• 46:46
  Do you not remember the trouble she calls her parents? Hey, I never
• 46:52
  got arrested in my hometown. Never. I mean, I'm going back there
• 46:59
  that said in my hometown. So long gonna say, Terry, you've been
• 47:07
  told that you should go undercover at a strip club. Oh, Jeff,
• 47:13
  how do you feel about that? That's what I'm saying, And HH would
• 47:17
  probably be on board with it, is long as I wasn't the one stripping,
• 47:23
  because people would be asking for their money back or they would pay me
• 47:30
  to get dressed. One of the first things Franco said, I have to
• 47:35
  I'd have to scroll up a little bit. One of the first things Franco
• 47:37
  said was like, you do not look like a grandma. And yes,
• 47:43
  Captain remembered. I did train dancers back in the day, but I didn't
• 47:46
  strip. I just train them on how to dance and move their bodies.
• 47:51
  I kept my clothes on because nobody wanted to see. Oh wow, one
• 47:57
  button at a time. Scharene nip nip, nop, nop, nope nope.
• 48:06
  So then same here, same here. I'm sure. I'm sharing my
• 48:20
  screen right and I think my sound Uh so this is appropriate? You tell
• 48:24
  me part Lisa, that is okay, continue on. So I find this
• 48:34
  extremely interesting and frustrating. I wish I would have put the dates in here
• 48:39
  of when they got the cell phone records, but it wasn't until August third,
• 48:44
  twenty nineteen. Mind you, Chase went missing July twenty seventeen. They
• 48:50
  got the records way before August twenty nineteen. But that's when they went to
• 48:57
  the location where Chase and a friend's phones pinged on Saturday. That is two
• 49:04
  flipping years. And they did a cursory search, took some photos, and
• 49:14
  that was it. Didn't do a search with dogs. We have Texas equa
• 49:20
  search who is very famous in Texas. A lot of people know about them.
• 49:24
  They help a lot. Why did you not reach out and say,
• 49:30
  hey, ping tear, we don't know anything for sure, but could you
• 49:35
  come out. I can't imagine they would have said no. Two years and
• 49:42
  we're gonna I'm gonna ask you all to put a pin in it. Remember
• 49:45
  about the friend whose phone pinged with Chase, because our next slides we're going
• 49:51
  to get into that. See, they do they Tim and the group are
• 49:57
  amazing, and I would if he would call and say, hey, would
• 50:00
  you like to come with us one day and go out? And I would
• 50:05
  be like, I'm all there. I'm part of our community emergency response team.
• 50:10
  I got my go back, got my boots, I got all my
• 50:13
  stuff. We should get him on the show. We should, And I
• 50:19
  wonder, honestly it would be interesting to get him on the show to talk
• 50:22
  about kind of number one, what he does and how we can support him,
• 50:25
  but also what would he have done? Right? I would love to
• 50:30
  know, Yeah, because I guarantee you he would have a plan for this,
• 50:34
  probably right off the top of his head. Oh. Now, they
• 50:37
  did do one small search near the apartment complex okay where Chase lived. Unless
• 50:47
  they did more and it's just not documented the documentation. Like I said,
• 50:52
  I'm really hoping when we get more in that it's better because I'm hoping these
• 50:59
  guys didn't go to school in north Shore or I went, because they might
• 51:02
  need to go back on their documentation skills. I will say that their spelling
• 51:07
  was very good. Didn't find a lot of typos. Oh, put it
• 51:12
  back. I want to do that last line. I want you to look.
• 51:15
  So that was August third, twenty nineteen. The last documentation by law
• 51:22
  enforcement in the file besides a document a documentation like two months after this that
• 51:30
  says nothing's happening. Was the last documentation on Chase's case that we've received to
• 51:38
  date. I have a huge problem with that. I know the case has
• 51:46
  gone cold, thank you. I was filling a little self conscious because I
• 51:54
  was going to reach out to Brandy the chart goddess, until the chart got
• 52:00
  I needed some tutorials. I think you did a really good job. Do
• 52:07
  you want to go here next? Yes? Oh? Can you there?
• 52:13
  You go? Would you want me to bring up can you put it in
• 52:16
  presentation modes so it does a line at a time. Yeah. That makes
• 52:22
  it a little easier for these old lady ayes. So, now as we
• 52:28
  get into these I want to give y'all a little bit of information before we
• 52:35
  jump into important dates. Now. As I've said, on July fourth,
• 52:40
  Jason's family went to his apartment to look for him. They found some things
• 52:45
  in his apartment that were disturbing and a surprise to them. For those of
• 52:51
  you who don't know about this case and are just here for the first time,
• 52:57
  they found his apartment locked, heide a key was gone. He was
• 53:00
  known to keep a key above the door. Guys, I did the same
• 53:05
  thing when I lived in that area. I literally above my door. How
• 53:12
  I'm still alive today, I don't know, but it's something that we did.
• 53:15
  But anyway, the family and friends they broke in through a backsliding glass
• 53:20
  door. When they got in, they did find evidence of drugs in the
• 53:23
  apartment. Okay, on the coffee table was rolling papers, a little ball
• 53:30
  of weed, along with some other items. And we'll get into that a
• 53:34
  bit more in a minute. But they also discovered a money counting machine,
• 53:39
  empty shipping containers that smelled of weed, and some shipping labels. Now,
• 53:45
  there were no large amounts of money or large amounts of drugs found in the
• 53:49
  apartment. They'd have a really hard time countering the argument that because they found
• 53:55
  that, that's why the search has been intense. That's all I'll leave it
• 54:00
  at that. That's my thought. That's my thought is as well. And
• 54:09
  Chase had a bullet proofess inside the apartment, and he owned at least one
• 54:15
  shotgun, which he got when his grandfather passed away. I mean, guys,
• 54:20
  if it was a major drug player. He would have a lot more
• 54:23
  guns. This is Texas. If he was just a citizen, he'd have
• 54:30
  a lot more guns. I mean I have three yeah, right, all
• 54:36
  right, what are you trying to say? No, I'm kidding now,
• 54:37
  I mean I have a shotgun. I have a pistol. And then we
• 54:42
  have h H's dad was a police officer and he has his dad's old service
• 54:47
  revolver. We don't even have bullets for it, but we have a gun.
• 54:52
  It's it's fascinating to me. And I'm not saying that this was the
• 54:55
  case, but I'm just going to kind of hit just the like a mouth
• 55:00
  side soapbox, that something to that degree, A small thing of weed,
• 55:05
  A yes, some money accounting, Yes, there was stuff there, but
• 55:08
  that does not lessen the importance of a human life exactly. And that's what
• 55:15
  it doesn't. It doesn't. And that's what I've said before. So the
• 55:19
  way police in law enforcement look at people in the drug industry or in the
• 55:27
  sex trade, they're still humans. There's still someone's kid. And we're talking
• 55:34
  Chase was involved in this like maybe six months, eight months. He was
• 55:37
  a good kid, graduated high school, great athlete, worked in the iron
• 55:43
  industry, add ties to his family, his communities, So he's still a
• 55:50
  human. Yeah, I mean, how many times do we look back?
• 55:58
  And it's a cliche and a trope at this point, but how many times
• 56:00
  do we look back and because of a certain a certain choice of victim,
• 56:07
  do people go for far longer than they ever should? Like ever, like
• 56:14
  Charles Albright, who is the eyeball killer. He focused on sex workers and
• 56:22
  and he got away with it far longer than if he chose. You know
• 56:25
  that nineteen year old sorority girls. And I'm not saying that one's more important
• 56:30
  than the other, obviously, what I'm saying is that they're the they're equals.
• 56:34
  Humans are humans, and we should not Obviously this country has a hard
• 56:37
  time saying that some people are lesser than others, which it's a whole nother
• 56:43
  that's a bigger than a mouse box, so perch. But yeah, so
• 56:46
  I just it's ridiculous. Now. I will say the family members that were
• 56:52
  there were shocked. I talked to one of the sisters who was there.
• 56:57
  She was surprised, she did. She had never seen marijuana before. It's
• 57:04
  so Chase grew up in a really good family, close knit family, so
• 57:09
  they were surprised. The friends were aware that Chase had gotten involved in it,
• 57:16
  because they are pretty darn sure he was working with a friend that they
• 57:22
  all went to high school with. And I've told myself, I'm not going
• 57:28
  to say his name today because I've got messages out to him, letters out
• 57:34
  to him trying to hear his side. I don't want to tarnish his name
• 57:39
  with in the windows and rumors. So I'm going to give him another week
• 57:43
  or two, and then after that all bets are off. So but he
• 57:52
  is the friend who helped Chase work on a part farm in California to help
• 57:58
  Chase make some money after losing his job. Yes, it's legal in California,
• 58:02
  and we are talking about marijuana, not anything harder. But I think
• 58:09
  of nothing more fun, I am gonna say, And we'll get to it
• 58:15
  a little bit more. But the friend basically denies having any involvement with the
• 58:22
  drug trade. But how did you know there referring to work on a plat
• 58:25
  farm if you know nothing about it, right, it's not like they uh
• 58:31
  well, I mean maybe they do have, like the fires with the full
• 58:35
  tabs. I don't know. I've been an hr maybe it is, And
• 58:38
  I don't know, how do you go apply for that job? You got
• 58:44
  to h they have, don't They have higher like record like requirements than most
• 58:52
  companies. Certainly. In fact, I would say that weed companies and growers
• 58:57
  have higher. Number One, they're penalized for like far more. They're also
• 59:01
  charged far more. But I think they have waame higher requirements than even like
• 59:06
  the oil companies in this country. So I mean they would have to have
• 59:10
  some kind of I'm guessing that there's a background check. I'm guessing I'm guessing
• 59:15
  there's an HR. I'm digging into some of those. Yeah, there's some
• 59:22
  underground stuff going on. Oh so it's not as legit as we think it
• 59:30
  is. And there's some pretty strong evidence that some cartels are involved, even
• 59:37
  with the potforms, which isn't surprising. No, no, oh, well,
• 59:45
  I answers that question and demolishes my thoughts. Yeah, I'm just gonna
• 59:51
  saying I don't think they do, not to the extent. But I wanted
• 59:55
  to just talk that a little bit more because now we're going to get into
• 1:00:00
  these dates that are important now. As we continue this investigation, I will
• 1:00:06
  continue to share more dates as they come in JT. We'll just continue sharing
• 1:00:15
  them. So let's pop up the first one, all right, and hopefully
• 1:00:20
  I clicked done it. So during the investigation, it was discovered that back
• 1:00:28
  in April of twenty seventeen, Chase and a friend had money sees at Dallas
• 1:00:34
  Airport over one hundred thousand dollars. They were flying from Texas to California.
• 1:00:42
  They had it in their carry on bags and they got caught with it,
• 1:00:45
  and they couldn't give an explanation as to why they had this money. Chase,
• 1:00:52
  being the sweet you could tell, innocent and none knowledgeable guy, he
• 1:00:59
  said, oh, well, my uncle gave it to me so that I
• 1:01:02
  can flip houses. Well guess what they called the uncle and the uncles like,
• 1:01:07
  huh what? So real quick, Julie, is the font? Is
• 1:01:15
  the font too small? I can make it bigger? Yes? Please?
• 1:01:19
  Are you okay with me making it bigger? Oh? Please? God?
• 1:01:21
  Yes, maybe I can't. I was like you, yeah, let me
• 1:01:36
  just do it for Actually, that looks bigger. Anyways, Okay, we'll
• 1:01:42
  just go We'll go side by slide. Okay, hopefully that's a little bit
• 1:01:47
  bigger. Okay, let's say say that or zoom in if you can,
• 1:01:51
  oh can? Oh hey look okay, okay, so hopefully that's better.
• 1:02:00
  So what's interesting? They were not detained. They just took the money because
• 1:02:06
  they couldn't prove that anything bad was happening with it. And they give you
• 1:02:09
  the opportunity to file documents showing why you have it and to get it back.
• 1:02:15
  Well, didn't get it back, but I just think that was very
• 1:02:20
  interesting. This happened in April eighteenth. He went missing July fourth. Sorry,
• 1:02:28
  I'm not loving my free exam, thank you. So I think,
• 1:02:35
  Nick, that is very interesting. I don't know why. I know,
• 1:02:40
  talked about it with the investigators. We agree you too, JT. This
• 1:02:45
  has something to do with it, most likely because money is something that you
• 1:02:52
  don't mess with in that world. Yeah, no, not at all,
• 1:02:55
  And one hundred k is nothing to sneeze at. So yeah, okay,
• 1:03:00
  let's do the next one. Oh, come on, Oh, it doesn't
• 1:03:08
  like. It doesn't like I'm gonna have to like zoom in and out.
• 1:03:14
  Okay, So that's fine. No, I did them together. So is
• 1:03:19
  this not interesting? On his bank card? Look at all of the flights
• 1:03:23
  on Southwest April nineteenth. April twenty sixth, May, eleventh, May seventeenth,
• 1:03:30
  June twentieth, missing July fourth, So it's almost like he lost the
• 1:03:42
  money and then they said, well, now you have to do these things
• 1:03:47
  for us, and he did those things for them, and then they said,
• 1:03:52
  we're still pissed. Yeah, because I'm like, you wouldn't fly back
• 1:03:54
  and forth that much if you're working on the farm, right, Yeah,
• 1:04:01
  no, no, that's not the idea. Yeah, So then if you
• 1:04:05
  pop up the next one. I found this to be interesting as well.
• 1:04:13
  April, May and June. There's multiple transactions for food and other things.
• 1:04:17
  Texas, California, and Las Vegas. Las Vegas is just a hop,
• 1:04:25
  skip and a jump from California, it is, and I can tell you
• 1:04:32
  after living in Vegas for four years there's a lot of bad stuff that goes
• 1:04:36
  down in that town and young attractive guy potentially cash drug money. I mean,
• 1:04:47
  there's just a whole lot that makes my head spin on that. Yeah.
• 1:04:54
  Yeah, So what's so this just goes on July fourth, family enters
• 1:05:03
  the apartment. If you want to also share your screen, so a photo
• 1:05:10
  was taken on July fourth of Chase's coffee table. That's the top photo on
• 1:05:16
  July fourth. Look at the photo below, which is taken two days later.
• 1:05:24
  I want to see this is not like the other. I want to
• 1:05:27
  see if anyone notices things, if they want to put it in the comments,
• 1:05:31
  because the very first thing is very obvious. The phone is different top
• 1:05:38
  photo. It's a white phone, missing money, Yes, different phone.
• 1:05:49
  You also notice the ledger is upside down, the letter is missing, book
• 1:05:59
  is backwards. Yes, thispit cup is missing too. See. Yeah,
• 1:06:06
  so guys, there is Here's the thing to keep in mind about this.
• 1:06:13
  The family locked the door, so somebody had a key or took the hide
• 1:06:25
  a key and got in and did these things. Oh, the car keys
• 1:06:29
  are missing. It's a key fob to get in. It's a key fob.
• 1:06:33
  His truck was in the garage. I mean, looking at this,
• 1:06:38
  it looks like he was rolling a joint and went out, you know,
• 1:06:45
  to go walk the dog. A friend pulled up and said, hey,
• 1:06:47
  let's run, go grab a bike to eat lives right there, you know,
• 1:06:51
  buy a couple of things. But what I find very interesting they wanted
• 1:06:57
  that white phone. If you're going to take a phone, why even leave
• 1:07:01
  one? Why not just take the phone? Why leave another one? Now?
• 1:07:09
  There was no simcard in the phone. Yeah. See, I think
• 1:07:15
  whoever came in was like, oh that's an iPhone, I want that or
• 1:07:19
  what was on the phone. And we'll get into it later. We've got,
• 1:07:26
  you know, information coming in about the records they found. But I
• 1:07:30
  find it very interesting somebody came into that apartment and did this after the family
• 1:07:40
  relocked the apartment, filed a missing person's report and this happened. So who
• 1:07:47
  had access to this? Well? And the other thing is like either it
• 1:07:51
  was missus doubtfire or the spit cup belonged to the person who broke in.
• 1:07:57
  Why why else would you remove a spit cup? Like, what's the point
• 1:08:00
  if it was chases? Why does it matter? Late? Yeah, and
• 1:08:06
  nowhere in any of the documentation that we've received, because I think they had
• 1:08:14
  family and friends come in and go through the apartment, they didn't do any
• 1:08:17
  fingerprinting, DNA collection, nothing. Is this not basic? One? Oh?
• 1:08:29
  One? Is it not? It's almost like they were like, oh,
• 1:08:34
  so many people have been in here, it's contaminated. Let's just not
• 1:08:38
  do it. But I'm like, why don't you just say Okay, Mom,
• 1:08:42
  you were here, Dad, you were here, sister, friend,
• 1:08:44
  friend, give me your fingerprints, give me your DNA, rule them out,
• 1:08:48
  and then check to see who's the odd one out. What does it
• 1:08:53
  match. They didn't do any of that, or if they did, they
• 1:09:00
  didn't document it. But nowhere does it say called in crime scene texts.
• 1:09:03
  It's like they saw it and they're like, yeah, and so this I
• 1:09:15
  I don't kudos to his family for taking these photos. This to me is
• 1:09:24
  one hundred percent proof in my mind. Mh they didn't do what they were
• 1:09:30
  supposed to. Yeah, no, no, not at all. I mean,
• 1:09:35
  number one, you don't. You don't. I don't remember what the
• 1:09:39
  word is, but you don't mess with a crime scene, like don't let
• 1:09:43
  a bunch of Yeah, I don't understand this is I mean, this is
• 1:09:46
  lazy, is what this is to me. I mean I can see them
• 1:09:49
  saying, oh, but now that five people have been in here, the
• 1:09:53
  family. So that's five people's fingerprints you get in DNA. It's not that
• 1:09:58
  many. It's not hard to it's not like this was a public place with
• 1:10:03
  hundreds of thousands of people. This kid from hotel rooms, right, So
• 1:10:12
  again found that very interesting. So we can go back to the time.
• 1:10:16
  But this, to me, is just glaring. Mm hmm, no,
• 1:10:25
  I agree, why not showing up? Okay there, and then there should
• 1:10:32
  just be one more on this Yeah, there should be one more on this
• 1:10:35
  page. Oh switched out and moved. Okay, here we go. That's
• 1:10:41
  okay. So then on July tenth, the investigator, it was a private
• 1:10:45
  investigator that the family hired, interviewed a friend who was with him when the
• 1:10:53
  money was seized at the Dallas Airport. Now the sprint tells the investigator that
• 1:10:57
  he got Chase the job working on the pop farm, and the friend said
• 1:11:02
  he had nothing to do with drugs, but he has an arrest for them.
• 1:11:09
  But he has an arrest for drugs, and he knew people at the
• 1:11:13
  drug farm to get him the job. And I have talked to two people
• 1:11:20
  that were not friends with Chase, but are around the same age. They're
• 1:11:26
  kids of somebody I know. I told him the person's name. They're like,
• 1:11:30
  oh, yeah, he was a big drug dealer. It is common
• 1:11:32
  knowledge. The guy's drug dealer. But he told the police, Oh,
• 1:11:36
  I ain't done no drugs. I am a self made millionaire by the time
• 1:11:42
  I'm twenty three, because I have a clothing line and I sold a total
• 1:11:46
  of five hundred pieces. Funny thing about my clothing line, it's more like
• 1:11:51
  fifty. We'll go with it. So, yeah, I just found that.
• 1:11:57
  Here's the other thing that I don't understand. The police did not call
• 1:12:00
  him out on this, of course, not now the police reports that we
• 1:12:05
  have or the summaries we are waiting on the disc with the actual audio and
• 1:12:11
  video. I'm really hoping they did, and they just didn't put it in
• 1:12:15
  the summary because I have to tell you, with me summarizing all these interviews,
• 1:12:20
  you summarizing interviews, it's hard, you know. Oh, he was
• 1:12:27
  also in the friend's wedding, and I'm going to just I've had a glass
• 1:12:35
  of wine. Now. The friend has unfriended Chase on Facebook, not returning
• 1:12:43
  my calls emails. I have mailed seven letters to his last known addresses,
• 1:12:48
  went and left message postcards at his house. Have reached out to his girlfriend,
• 1:12:55
  who accepted my friend request on Facebook, sent her a message, unfriended
• 1:13:00
  me and blocked me. M So like, this doesn't I'm not I'm not
• 1:13:10
  saying he did anything to Chase. Just want to know y'all were in the
• 1:13:15
  same world. There's documented proof that y'all were in the same world. You
• 1:13:19
  were arrested a year ago with lots of pounds of marijuana in Texas, so
• 1:13:27
  you were in that world. I'm not saying he did anything to his friend.
• 1:13:32
  I'm just saying tell us you're side of the story. I mean,
• 1:13:36
  I've seen the hangover. But but other than that, and on a more
• 1:13:40
  serious note, you know something that I do say on a regular basis is
• 1:13:44
  like silence is one of the loudest noises of them all. It is you
• 1:13:47
  know, you know by you're forcing silence by defriending, blocking, et cetera.
• 1:13:55
  And to me, that says you know that of just why be smarter,
• 1:14:04
  be better? I mean, and if you truly cared about him.
• 1:14:09
  We have an anonymous tip line call in and say, hey, give us
• 1:14:14
  information, and I don't want you to use my name. And this person
• 1:14:21
  has children, has an ex wife now and a girlfriend who has kids.
• 1:14:27
  You have a family. You're a family man. You've spent the night.
• 1:14:32
  You spent the night at Chase's house when you were in high school, you
• 1:14:38
  went to his house, You've talked to his parents, you know his parents.
• 1:14:45
  How dare you let's move on before I blow my top, so they
• 1:14:56
  interview another friend on July twentieth. This is a friend that would take care
• 1:15:01
  of Champ when Chase had to, you know, go out of town or
• 1:15:05
  do things. However, he stopped taking care of Champ when Chase said,
• 1:15:12
  Hey, I'm packaging and shipping marijuana from California to Texas. The friend tried
• 1:15:16
  to tell him get out, why you can. It's not a good thing
• 1:15:20
  to do, and he stopped watching Champ. I found that, you know,
• 1:15:30
  he did the right thing. You know, you try to tell your
• 1:15:32
  friend to stop doing it. But they also interviewed another friend on the same
• 1:15:40
  day who told police that a couple of months back, Chase told him that
• 1:15:45
  he was scared as a couple of guys rafting, which leads me to wonder
• 1:15:51
  if that's why he had a bulletproof vest. Mm hmm. You get money
• 1:15:59
  taken from you, so I didn't put it on here. But Chase also
• 1:16:03
  got robbed and lost about sixty thousand dollars. I don't know if it was
• 1:16:09
  cash or product cool months leading up to this, So a lot of money
• 1:16:16
  done, a lot of product. There's you know, some potential for some
• 1:16:21
  backlash on that, so I could definitely see why he was looking over his
• 1:16:26
  shoulder and thought someone was after him. Yeah, oh absolutely, So let's
• 1:16:32
  go to the next one. Never never, Now, I hate that this
• 1:16:41
  was on my birthday, but it was so activities showed up on Chase's Facebook
• 1:16:45
  account and his Twitter account. The family had to alert the police to this.
• 1:16:53
  The police didn't find it. The family alerted them, and the family
• 1:16:57
  agreed it was not the way Chase talked or verbiage. And I went and
• 1:17:02
  looked at one of the posts. It did not resemble what Chase had posted
• 1:17:10
  before, not saying it wasn't Chase, but I'm going to say it was
• 1:17:15
  not in his normal character. But I found it interesting that the family had
• 1:17:19
  to notify the police about it. Wouldn't the police put alerts on those things?
• 1:17:26
  No, well they didn't put alerts on fingerprints, So I know,
• 1:17:31
  I know, So let's do the next one. So before I go to
• 1:17:38
  the next one, So, I was talking to an ex girlfriend of Chase's
• 1:17:43
  and she does like I randomly do to my mom who passed away his Facebook
• 1:17:46
  page. I'll just leave her messages that I'm thinking about you. Hope everything's
• 1:17:49
  great where you are. She was still sending him things on Snapchat, and
• 1:17:55
  I still have my note right here because we're trying to do some papers.
• 1:18:00
  Seventy weeks ago May eleventh, twenty two, someone logged into Chase's Snapchat account
• 1:18:09
  and read the message what seventy weeks ago? Literally track the IP address.
• 1:18:15
  She's got the screenshot of it. So I've got this here because I'm going
• 1:18:20
  to try to report it to the official police again and see what they say.
• 1:18:26
  And that's why I have a post it here. I get the IP
• 1:18:30
  address three Snapchat you can't. You have to go through law enforcement. We've
• 1:18:34
  tried to do an information request, tried to see a family could do assigned
• 1:18:41
  data that he's missing. Just want to know the IP address because I checked
• 1:18:47
  with the family, they do not have the logins. Another interesting thing on
• 1:18:53
  Chase's Facebook account. When I started investigating this or before we just to do
• 1:19:00
  it end of June, I was able to see Chase's friend list. It's
• 1:19:05
  now been marked private. That's within the last couple of months. Investigation one
• 1:19:14
  oh one, subpoena or whatever it is. Facebook, Yeah, I mean
• 1:19:23
  wow, now, Facebook, Snapchat, none of them play really nice with
• 1:19:29
  law enforcement. They really don't want to give out the information, but give
• 1:19:33
  the IP address of where the person was located who logged into the account,
• 1:19:40
  because if it's Chase and he's living off the grid because they threatened his family,
• 1:19:46
  that'd be nice to know. If it is a friend who's just logging
• 1:19:53
  in to see if Chase is logged in, it'd be nice to know so
• 1:19:56
  that you're not making all these wild speculations, because, let me tell you,
• 1:19:59
  my brain has I even sent a friend request. I set up a
• 1:20:02
  Snapchat account and tried to friend him just to see what would happen, you
• 1:20:13
  know, So I'm just it just makes my head hurt. So yeah,
• 1:20:21
  let's zoom in so I can read that next one, and my throat's going
• 1:20:26
  bad. I hope Sharen thinks that's getting sexier, because I'm getting more manly
• 1:20:30
  for sure. August third, twenty seventeen, Please interview another friend who was
• 1:20:38
  close to Chase. He said he last saw Chase four or five days before
• 1:20:42
  he went missing. He stated that he found out when Chase's sister called him
• 1:20:46
  and told him that he was missing. He said he knew Chase was working
• 1:20:50
  on a marijuana farm in California, but that he himself was not involved in
• 1:20:56
  any drug dealings. Well, he's the one that it was discovered through cell
• 1:21:02
  phone records. He was with Chase on that day that Chase was last seen
• 1:21:08
  where they went and looked at the location. I find it. I find
• 1:21:13
  it amazing that they'll look through phone records to see if they can charge somebody
• 1:21:16
  with something, but they won't. Oh just wait, it's gonna get worse.
• 1:21:24
  It's on the next slide. But let me do this next one,
• 1:21:26
  September twentieth, Please receive a tip that Chase owed a guy money and that
• 1:21:31
  the guy killed him and dumped his body in the river. No name of
• 1:21:36
  the river was documented in the files, and there was no follow up on
• 1:21:42
  it. Nothing, no clarifying questions. They're one shit done or we haven't
• 1:21:47
  received the document yet. Let me remember to clarify that. Let's go to
• 1:21:54
  the next one, September twenty first. There, September twenty first. Yeah,
• 1:22:09
  someone attempted to use Chase's debit card, with which we already did that
• 1:22:13
  on the timeline, so we can skip that one, all right, guys,
• 1:22:19
  this one is batshit. So Chase's mom rented a po box and forwarded
• 1:22:25
  as mail smart on her, I wouldn't have thought of that. When she
• 1:22:29
  checked the mail. On February seventh, twenty eighteen, a birth certificate for
• 1:22:35
  someone named Kevin shows up in Chase's mail, but the birth certificate was not
• 1:22:41
  completely filled out, and they suspect it was a forgery. Once again,
• 1:22:48
  nothing in the police files that we've received so far said they looked into it
• 1:22:53
  to see if the person even was a real person, this Kevin person.
• 1:23:02
  Wouldn't you, because I can see if you're in that industry, you might
• 1:23:06
  need a fake FIR certificate so you can get fake identification to travel, because
• 1:23:11
  you don't want to travel under your own name when you look into that,
• 1:23:16
  Could it have possibly Could it have possibly been Chase trying to live off the
• 1:23:24
  grid in a different identity and he accidentally had it sent to his old address,
• 1:23:28
  and he was like, well, it's just going to go to an
• 1:23:29
  empty box or be sent back. Well I thought of that except for and
• 1:23:35
  I wasn't going to tell this till our next update. The drug dealer friend,
• 1:23:41
  he had his driver's license renewed this year. He had it sent to
• 1:23:45
  a house that he's never lived at, and the house was vacant at the
• 1:23:48
  time, so he just probably picked it up out of the mailbox. And
• 1:23:54
  I'm wondering if that is what this person was thinking they would do as well,
• 1:24:00
  that's what they did. They knew the place was empty, but they
• 1:24:02
  didn't know Mama was smart. A'most smart and had everything. I would have
• 1:24:10
  never have thought to do that. When I read that that, I was
• 1:24:13
  like, oh, smart mama. So but nothing investigated on that either,
• 1:24:19
  and the documents we have. Now, let's go to the next one,
• 1:24:23
  okay, So March ninth, twenty eighteen, please interview a friend who said
• 1:24:30
  he was close with Chase, knew Chase had gotten involved in the drug business
• 1:24:34
  and that Chase often referred to a boss man. Said he didn't exactly know
• 1:24:42
  who Chase worked for, but I talked to two more people today who also
• 1:24:49
  mentioned boss man. Boss man. Everybody so far is pointing to one person.
• 1:24:58
  And I'm not going to say who that par person is now because still
• 1:25:00
  want to investigate it more. But they're all pointing at one person, though.
• 1:25:08
  Next one, all right, next one, Oh, I like that,
• 1:25:12
  Shanka Bacon. Mama won Moron zero, Mama won Moron's none. We
• 1:25:20
  can go on and do the next one. Because we talked about that on
• 1:25:24
  the timeline, about the tip about the body next one. Yeah, duplicated
• 1:25:31
  stuff. So okay, May thirty. First, remember that little tip.
• 1:25:36
  I told you to put a pin in it. Police reinterviewed a friend who
• 1:25:42
  they interviewed August third. The friend changed their story and said, yes,
• 1:25:47
  he had gotten involved with the drug business and he helped Chase out several times
• 1:25:53
  with shipments and had gone to California with him, And he told police that
• 1:25:58
  he and Chase each had four or five cell phones. Now, we're not
• 1:26:06
  going to get into it now. And the reason why I'm waiting for the
• 1:26:10
  pictures of the shipping labels. Chase seems like he was a smart, smart
• 1:26:17
  guy, you know, graduated high school, worked in the ironfield. They
• 1:26:23
  shipped this product using their real names, him and the s friend real names.
• 1:26:30
  No, not to their addresses, but with their real names. Oh
• 1:26:39
  no. So I was like, okay, friend, First of all,
• 1:26:44
  you said you hadn't seen him in four or five days, but yet your
• 1:26:46
  phone pinged with his phone on the day he was last seen. Your name's
• 1:26:54
  on shipping labels with one of your addresses. I mean, dude, come
• 1:27:00
  on, So he is another person that is not responding to our request for
• 1:27:05
  conversations. And I've left messages with his grandmother, reached out to his mom,
• 1:27:14
  mailed another set of letters, no responses, So going to give it
• 1:27:19
  another week or two, and then his name is up for the world.
• 1:27:24
  And the reason why I'm doing that, if anyone is wondering, it's in
• 1:27:28
  the police records. It's in the public files. Their names are in there.
• 1:27:32
  I'm not giving anything away that's not public knowledge, right, But I
• 1:27:38
  am giving them the opportunity to talk to me because we're not saying they had
• 1:27:43
  anything to do with him going missing, but they knew more about his lifestyle
• 1:27:47
  and his drunk business, and they may know who did something. So let's
• 1:27:55
  go to the next one. And I thought, on four or five cell
• 1:27:58
  phones, I've had two before, and I couldn't keep up with two.
• 1:28:02
  How the heck could you keep up with four? Right? No way,
• 1:28:08
  no way. So July fifth, twenty eighteen, the police tried to reinterview
• 1:28:15
  the friend from May thirty. First, that friend declined to talk and no
• 1:28:21
  interview took place, and he stopped all contact with police and is not responding
• 1:28:30
  to any of our messages as well, and has spent some time in jail,
• 1:28:38
  So I mean, I'm gonna say, if you get caught again,
• 1:28:42
  maybe you want to trade some information to take some time off your sentence.
• 1:28:45
  Maybe so maybe March twenty sixth, twenty nineteen, the police met with family
• 1:28:54
  members and one member had been calling Chase's cell phone and after about six months
• 1:29:00
  the phone was disconnected. It stayed active. Somebody was paying the bill.
• 1:29:05
  And remember the SIM cards were not at Chase's apartments, so if you have
• 1:29:11
  that SIM card, you got a lot of data. The phone was briefly
• 1:29:15
  disconnected and it was reconnected for some time. No documentation, and we're waiting
• 1:29:30
  on cell phone records. Now what I don't know because if he had four
• 1:29:33
  or five cell phones, don't know which phones they actually were able to get
• 1:29:40
  records on. I can tell you in the files, I've seen three different
• 1:29:44
  phone numbers potentially for Chase. So it'll be interesting to see when we get
• 1:29:48
  the cell phone reports. So we will come back to that. Now.
• 1:29:53
  The next thing is crazy the friend that is not responding to me. One
• 1:30:00
  of the friends. That friend wrote a letter to his grandmother and told Chase's
• 1:30:11
  family you need to see that letter and you'll know what happened to Chase.
• 1:30:15
  Basically, that's me paraphrasing. Reached out to the grandmother, who said,
• 1:30:19
  no, there was nothing in that letter about Chase. You don't need to
• 1:30:24
  see it in the story. If that's the case, why wouldn't you just
• 1:30:35
  show the letter to give the family peace of mind. I'm sorry. If
• 1:30:41
  I had a letter that my son, my grandchild wrote to me, if
• 1:30:45
  a family who's missing a family member thought there was information in that letter,
• 1:30:50
  I'd be like, oh my god, here, let me dear ock this
• 1:30:54
  and give you a copy. Yes, people, I still write notes on
• 1:30:57
  notebook paper. I would be like, read it. Why would you not
• 1:31:03
  give it to him? So that, to me is just suspicious and won't
• 1:31:12
  take my calls. So July sixteenth, twenty nineteen, now the family received
• 1:31:20
  a message I believe it was via Facebook, stating that it was common knowledge
• 1:31:25
  of what happened to Chase. The gentleman said that a female adult entertainer who
• 1:31:29
  lived in that same apartment complex set him up guilding. As we talked about
• 1:31:33
  in the timeline, they did nothing with that. I put it here.
• 1:31:38
  That person said he was told that while he was incarcerated by somebody else.
• 1:31:46
  Once again, it was never looked into. It's not so in click through
• 1:31:55
  because we talk about them going to that good talked about that. Yeah,
• 1:32:08
  okay thoughts. As of now, we have not received any documentation on I
• 1:32:15
  know I've beat this horse dead, but the horse is not dead. So
• 1:32:20
  the police investigated or searched any rivers based on the tip. I did find
• 1:32:26
  the name of a river that a tip was called in that Chase was potentially
• 1:32:30
  dumped in. It's in the East Houston area. They did not search.
• 1:32:38
  The reason I didn't put it in the tip line is because the person retracted
• 1:32:45
  their statement. But yet I was told the same thing when I was talking
• 1:32:50
  to somebody, and it was somebody different than who told the police originally.
• 1:32:55
  So people are starting to talk. So I think it's interesting that they haven't
• 1:33:00
  done anything. So next, they didn't follow up on the adult entertainer and
• 1:33:11
  as complex, no interviews on names giving Dearn the interviews of people that Chase
• 1:33:18
  may have dealt with. There is sixteen names and phone numbers that they got
• 1:33:29
  from either people giving information Darren interviews or from what they could get off the
• 1:33:35
  physical phone that they downloaded. No documentation that they called any of these flipping
• 1:33:44
  people, and they have names that kystone k Bob shadow Man. These are
• 1:33:55
  people, obviously, people with nicknames, and it may be an interesting you
• 1:34:03
  know, they're in the drug business. Possibly, you know. I just
• 1:34:08
  now I will say it's been six years. I've called all of the phone
• 1:34:13
  numbers, left messages on the ones that had voice smail. But we I
• 1:34:19
  did submit the information yesterday to get backgrounds on all of them and find their
• 1:34:25
  last known addresses so we can send them letters. So I'm hoping we'll get
• 1:34:30
  that in the next week and I will be going to the post office again
• 1:34:34
  and mailing my little letters. Hey, and just so you know everybody,
• 1:34:39
  if you're worried about that, I'm just putting JT's address for the return address,
• 1:34:44
  so if they need to look for anybody, just kidding. That's why
• 1:34:48
  we have a box. Why we got to peel box right. No search
• 1:34:57
  warrants issued for any I Chase's social media accounts or not documented. How the
• 1:35:05
  f have you not done that? Especially when you know somebody sent logged into
• 1:35:15
  him within the month he went missing. How wouldn't you want to find him?
• 1:35:29
  I mean, let's just go on a crazy walld Tangent. What if
• 1:35:32
  it is Chase, wouldn't you want to find him, give his parents some
• 1:35:40
  closure, and then charge him with all the time that you've wasted. I
• 1:35:44
  mean, you'll haven't wasted that much time because I haven't done that much.
• 1:35:46
  But wouldn't you want like Sherry Peppini or whatever her name was, that got
• 1:35:53
  caught for following a false report, wouldn't you want to do that at least
• 1:35:57
  and to let the public know you can't do this app so next or we
• 1:36:10
  could be done that in the end. Is that the last side? So
• 1:36:20
  that is it for that Now? Like I said, I've interviewed or we've
• 1:36:29
  interviewed several family members in chases, and we've submitted additional requests for police records,
• 1:36:35
  also submitted requests to the FBI and the DEA around the money seizure,
• 1:36:41
  waiting to get those. So what I want to ask everybody until we have
• 1:36:46
  our next update, to please keep sharing all of our posts. We also
• 1:36:51
  started to go fundme. We have received our first donation. We're trying to
• 1:36:57
  raise the reward money because it's common knowledge if the person who's going to give
• 1:37:03
  us information is involved in the drug business. Ten thousand dollars is not going
• 1:37:08
  to get them talking, so need to raise a lot more money on that.
• 1:37:17
  Well I now have made I would have to pull out my note because
• 1:37:23
  I do track every call I make. I know for sure I've left four
• 1:37:26
  messages and sent emails. I've not had a return phone call. I've even
• 1:37:31
  called in tips and I've not had a callback. So no, they haven't,
• 1:37:41
  but I'm hoping that we will. I just left a message for one
• 1:37:47
  of a lieutenant who's actually a sergeant and who worked on the case. Agreed,
• 1:37:59
  agreed, may and they need to because if not, we're going to
• 1:38:02
  all get together and you can do crowd funding for things. We're going to
• 1:38:06
  do crowd criminal investigating, and we're going to all get together and do it
• 1:38:13
  ourselves, and we're going to do what they're not doing. So now,
• 1:38:20
  on our next live update we have we will have Chase's mom and dad in
• 1:38:29
  the studio with us for a Q and A. So that will be coming
• 1:38:33
  up in October, and I'm really excited about that because Debbie and Craig have
• 1:38:41
  just been absolutely amazing throughout this process. One thing I know from personal experience,
• 1:38:47
  I know it's a little bit different and our family having somebody who was
• 1:38:54
  murdered. The family didn't want to talk to anyone in the media, and
• 1:39:00
  I think it's a little bit different if your child's missing. But I also
• 1:39:02
  think after six years, it's got to be hard reliving this, talking about
• 1:39:09
  it, retelling the stories. So I really appreciate how kind they've been and
• 1:39:15
  everything we've asked of them they've done. And I had lunch with Chase's dad.
• 1:39:21
  It's a wonderful man, and I'm really excited that they're going to be
• 1:39:27
  on because they're going to be able to tell us a lot more about Chase
• 1:39:30
  and who he was as a person. And the one thing I can't wait
• 1:39:36
  to ask them. I heard today that Chase he was a good athlete,
• 1:39:42
  a little bit cocky. And I asked the person, like, cocky are
• 1:39:45
  confident and they were like, he would play softball and not wear a glove
• 1:39:50
  and still caught all the balls bare hand. I'm like, Okay, he
• 1:39:55
  has the right to be a little cocky. So excited to talk to them
• 1:40:00
  about that. So that's our Chase update. I know it was a lot,
• 1:40:10
  it was, but I mean it definitely put a lot in perspective,
• 1:40:12
  especially For me, I'm very visual and I think I mean everybody really,
• 1:40:16
  including myself, enjoyed your charts. So yeah, not as fancy as Miss
• 1:40:23
  Brandy's. And I will tell you guys, the seventy nine pages we have
• 1:40:28
  of police stuff, it's really hard picking what to share, what not to
• 1:40:34
  share, and kind of what we're looking at the investigators. If we hear
• 1:40:40
  it twice, it's important enough to talk about because we have found one red
• 1:40:45
  herring for sure. One of the friends who got things got him involved in
• 1:40:51
  the drug trade, tried to say that Chase was involved with a gang in
• 1:40:57
  Baytown. I spent three days going down a rabbit hole. I would almost
• 1:41:03
  stake my life on it. He was not. Now, did he maybe
• 1:41:08
  cross that gang if he tried to sell drugs in their territory, But he
• 1:41:12
  was not one of their gang members. If he was, he would have
• 1:41:15
  been the only white gang member out of all of their members. Not saying
• 1:41:20
  it's impossible, but I would say it's very, very unluckily. Yeah,
• 1:41:30
  So that's our Chase Black Camp date. And I want to say one last
• 1:41:35
  thing. They also need to find Champ. I know a lot of people
• 1:41:41
  are saying he's a dog and it's been six years, but Champ deserves justice
• 1:41:45
  too. I would like to know where his remains are because my heart means
• 1:41:50
  that too. Yeah, no, I agree. I agree. Well,
• 1:42:00
  we're gonna start getting to the next thing, but before that, I feel
• 1:42:08
  like keeping everybody engaged. Okay, well I go take care of uh oh
• 1:42:17
  okay. I was like, I was a little slow there on that one.
• 1:42:24
  So that means we can talk about JT while he's gone. So to
• 1:42:28
  tell y'all a little secret, when we're doing our podcast recording and we're not
• 1:42:31
  live and Chase JT runs off to the men's room, I sit there and
• 1:42:39
  talked smack about him behind his back and what's so great about it? He
• 1:42:43
  never hears about it until I sent him the video clippings after h H has
• 1:42:48
  done the editing, and he is always like, how could you say that
• 1:42:54
  to me? And I'm like, well, you should have been there.
• 1:42:58
  So while we're waiting for JT to come back, I would love if you
• 1:43:01
  would put in the comments if you have any thoughts of what maybe happened to
• 1:43:10
  Chase with what informations you've heard that we haven't thought of or looked into,
• 1:43:15
  because it truly I think normally you have an entire law enforcement. We've got
• 1:43:20
  two investigators me JT. You know, then the people were reaching out to
• 1:43:29
  what are we maybe not thinking of. We've pretty much ruled out that Chase
• 1:43:35
  would have taken his own life, because where would Champ be. Everybody has
• 1:43:43
  agreed that Chase loved Champs so much he would have never left Champ not taken
• 1:43:48
  care of. I agree he's got two friends that are sus very sus very
• 1:44:00
  us and if they're not, I'm not going to say they're involved with his
• 1:44:04
  disappearance. They know something because they're in the same industry. It had to
• 1:44:13
  be someone my thoughts in the drug trade. From what I've seen right now,
• 1:44:20
  I am ninety nine percent sure I found the pot farm in the address
• 1:44:29
  based on some geotagging and things I found. I haven't reached out to the
• 1:44:36
  pop farms yet because I'm waiting to get all of the police files to see
• 1:44:42
  if they have and I want to get the stuff from the FBI and the
• 1:44:45
  DEA because I also don't want a cartel putting a head out on me.
• 1:44:49
  To be honest, I Y, that's fair. I don't want to do
• 1:44:56
  that. Like I said, the goal is to fin Chase. It is
• 1:45:03
  in Norocal, but platforms move around quite a bit. But the one that
• 1:45:14
  the geo tags and locations I found it is still there inactive, and they've
• 1:45:20
  had some violations and they've had some issues. Catam says, send them to
• 1:45:27
  my place. I'll charm them to death. You'll charm them to death.
• 1:45:34
  Yes, I'll tap dance. I would love to see that. It would
• 1:45:45
  not be a very long series. Now. I do give little updates on
• 1:45:54
  the Chase Lucky case on my tiktoks. When I do my makeup. It
• 1:46:00
  just randomly happens when I run out of my headline stuff and it just randomly
• 1:46:05
  pops in there. So if you're ever interested in getting little tidbits before our
• 1:46:11
  next update, that would be the place you can get them. Just do
• 1:46:15
  not comment on my makeup abilities because I specifically state daily I am not a
• 1:46:23
  makeup artist. You give headliners with eyeliner, I do. There you go,
• 1:46:33
  So are we ready to get into our podcast? I think so.
• 1:46:41
  I think so, and you know, nobody get confused. We're going to
• 1:46:45
  do the intro again, just so we have the intro at the right spot
• 1:46:48
  and that and then we're going to push right on into couples that kill so
• 1:46:56
  and that is not JT and I killing not yet anyway, all right,
• 1:47:05
  here we go. Welcome ever everybody to Crime and Wine Time. Long time,
• 1:48:19
  no see if you're listening to if you're listening to the podcast, just
• 1:48:26
  know that we also are now recording these live on our YouTube channel, True
• 1:48:30
  Crime and Wine Time. If you just search that in YouTube, boom we
• 1:48:33
  pop up and so help us hit our five hundred subscribers. That's one of
• 1:48:39
  the things we need to check off in order to monetize, So definitely please
• 1:48:44
  do that. And if you're watching now, thank you, yes, thank
• 1:48:49
  you. And that monetization, you know, helps keep the wine flowing.
• 1:48:56
  And I have been waiting for the three days to share my pairing for tonight.
• 1:49:04
  I did open it and pour me a little. I didn't wait,
• 1:49:09
  but I just have to tell you. So my killer couple, one of
• 1:49:14
  them wanted to be a naval pilot, so I got the infamous goose Savin
• 1:49:23
  Young Blanc goose because of top gun Goose. When they're now and they're infamous
• 1:49:34
  because they became killers. Uh, I like that, tell us what you're
• 1:49:48
  drinking because now imported me a big glass because now you're talking. Okay,
• 1:49:55
  so this is called simply fruit, because that's what I am. I'm simply
• 1:50:00
  fruit, well half fruit, and uh it's called just peachy, and uh
• 1:50:06
  it is a I don't know, it's a bubbly fruit wine that actually is
• 1:50:15
  really good, I mean really good, as you can tell. I'm almost
• 1:50:20
  done. So have you drank that all tonight because you just opened it.
• 1:50:27
  Yeah, it's only six percent alcohol by volume. Oh, it's only six
• 1:50:31
  percent. It's like super like even advertised that it's like less alcohol. So
• 1:50:36
  I'm you know, I mean it is. It's fine. It's literally almost
• 1:50:41
  like drinking fruit juice, which I'm sure if I had like four of these
• 1:50:45
  would be dangerous. Mine is thirteen point seven Yes, I had to put
• 1:50:48
  on my glasses. Thirteen point seven percent. Yes, urine. It is
• 1:50:54
  all wine fruit, it's just all grapes. But in this case it is
• 1:51:01
  called simply fruit. I'm not quite sure what makes it simply and we'll see
• 1:51:09
  how it goes tomorrow because it does contain sulfights and I don't like those very
• 1:51:13
  much. Uh oh, but I think I've actually grown out of my allergy
• 1:51:16
  to sulfights because I had red wine the other night and I was fine.
• 1:51:19
  So well, I am giving myself an a for my pairing, first of
• 1:51:25
  all, because my infamous scoos. But we did the Chase Lacky update,
• 1:51:30
  which is Texas. My case is also from Texas, so I am drinking
• 1:51:33
  out of my Texas. I can't find my camera my Texas embossed wine glass.
• 1:51:41
  How's that preparing? All? Right? Listen, listen. You paired
• 1:51:45
  it with your case and your wine glass. I paired my wine to me,
• 1:51:49
  which really, as Sharina has pointed out, every wine pairs with me.
• 1:51:54
  So hey, now, if you are allergic to soul fights and wine,
• 1:52:00
  there are these drops you can buy on Amazon because I sent them to
• 1:52:06
  my boss in Finland. You drop them in. I don't know what the
• 1:52:11
  heck it does or how it works, but I can drink red wine and
• 1:52:15
  the soul fights don't bother me. Magic so magic. Maybe you should try
• 1:52:21
  it. And I'm gonna say not all wine pairs with JT. I'm gonna
• 1:52:28
  say all alcohol pairs with JT. Wine pairs with Terry. Beer does not
• 1:52:32
  pair with Terry wine. I don't talk like I don't talk a lot about
• 1:52:43
  you know, drinking and stuff on the other podcast, although I do have
• 1:52:46
  pod well on the live stream, although I do have brew Crime and this
• 1:52:49
  one. So it makes people wonder about me. But I will say this.
• 1:52:54
  You know this, this this week has been a week and most of
• 1:52:57
  the nights have not been water. We'll just say that. So here we
• 1:53:01
  are. This is my first whine of the week. Uh are you well?
• 1:53:16
  That's what you get for that one. I don't know what it is,
• 1:53:18
  but I want to know. Rotting cabbage. Why can't tell whether she's
• 1:53:24
  serious or not? I know, I hope so because I don't like cabbage
• 1:53:30
  and that just to me sounds like a nightmare. Yeah, I think we
• 1:53:41
  need shunka in on this whole investigation. I agree. Uh, Lisa was
• 1:53:46
  making that up. It sounded legit and she's Welsh, So I don't know,
• 1:53:51
  I'm not. I don't. I I was. I was up for
• 1:53:55
  it, but I was just like, rotting cabbage. Now and if we
• 1:54:00
  did that right? She just blasted out laughing, to the point which her
• 1:54:04
  neighbors are like, what the hell's going on? All right? Now?
• 1:54:08
  I want to give her a challenge. I want her to find a recipe
• 1:54:12
  to make moonshine with rotty and cabbage. Good luck, Welsh moonshine. I'm
• 1:54:18
  in, I'm in. So what case you got for us tonight? Doa
• 1:54:26
  oh man? All right? So, uh, the case that I am
• 1:54:29
  bringing to you are the Moors murders. Oh, I'm going to interrupt you
• 1:54:33
  real quick. Yes, this episode contains graphic content adult language. It may
• 1:54:40
  not be suitable for all listeners. Sorry, guys, we have to do
• 1:54:43
  that for the podcast. Peeps. Well, shit, now it's all gone
• 1:54:47
  to hell. I really hope monkey butt's not watching still. Oh she's in
• 1:54:55
  bed now, Okay, good, her mama has put her to bad Yeah,
• 1:55:04
  Lisa's gonna have a go with the challenge, all right. Yes,
• 1:55:09
  so you'll see the trigger warning at the bottom, and you'll also see that
• 1:55:13
  we did it in the beginning. If at any point you feel uncomfortable it's
• 1:55:15
  triggering whatever, please please please, Terry and I totally understand. Head out.
• 1:55:21
  We will see you the next time. It's totally fine. Okay.
• 1:55:25
  That's the last thing either of us want to do is to put you in
• 1:55:28
  a spot where you're in a bad place. Yes, your mental health is
• 1:55:34
  most important, and some things are triggering to some and not to others.
• 1:55:40
  If it's triggering for you, please go take care of yourself. Go take
• 1:55:45
  a warm bubble bath and just think about Lisa trying to make moonshine out of
• 1:55:50
  rotten cabbage. Oh can you imagine the smelly results on the after effects of
• 1:55:59
  that. Sorry, well, so, uh it should first be credited that
• 1:56:06
  it was this was written by Scharene. It was. Yes, it was
• 1:56:11
  written and researched by Charene. We both edited it over time and now I'm
• 1:56:17
  recording it and I've had it for quite some time, and admittedly there just
• 1:56:21
  has not been time to record it. But uh so this was initially and
• 1:56:27
  I told you about this earlier. This was initially going to be a sidebar.
• 1:56:30
  But I think what what what we'll do is record this, We'll release
• 1:56:35
  it on on the podcast, also release it on thirteenth Juror as well,
• 1:56:41
  and see if we can get some cross participation and pop up the guys.
• 1:56:45
  I mean the reality. Listen, let's raise the curtain here. We would
• 1:56:49
  love to have more subscribers, right, I don't mind being honest about that
• 1:56:54
  at all. I mean, that's that's that's the reality. We would like
• 1:56:56
  to go that route, and uh so so yes, so the Moore's murder
• 1:57:00
  serene, Thank you so much for all your hard work on this. All
• 1:57:05
  right. So, if you travel east over the Atlantic Ocean from America,
• 1:57:11
  you'll find a small island. The sizeize of it can fit inside the state
• 1:57:15
  of California almost twice over. The land area's two hundred and forty eight five
• 1:57:23
  hundred and thirty two square kilometers compared to the four hundred and twenty three thousand,
• 1:57:28
  nine hundred and seventy square kilometer California. For our country, so small,
• 1:57:32
  it has a lot of people living closely together. Despite its size,
• 1:57:38
  this island has a population of nearly sixty seven point eight million people, while
• 1:57:44
  California boasts only forty point two, which is, you know, California's most
• 1:57:48
  populous state in America. So for half the size, the island has twenty
• 1:57:54
  seven million more people. What islander are we talking about? What islander are
• 1:57:59
  we talking about? What do you think? I don't know? You said
• 1:58:01
  east and I'm sitting here going is that left or right? Well, we
• 1:58:09
  are talking about the United Kingdom in this case. Hey, guys, all
• 1:58:16
  right, I am very upfront. Don't tell me I know it's never eat
• 1:58:21
  soggy waffles. I still need you to say left or right. I believe
• 1:58:28
  Listen, you and I apparently have the same issue because my dad forever,
• 1:58:32
  Papa Bruce Crime forever, will make fun of me or not like having to
• 1:58:38
  think about left and right because people are like, well, okay, well
• 1:58:42
  put up your your hands and which one's an L. And I'm like,
• 1:58:45
  well, now, how do you right now? And then they're like,
• 1:58:46
  well, your left hand has your ring finger, and I'm like, but
• 1:58:49
  that doesn't help me if I don't remember my right and my left, because
• 1:58:53
  I won't know this is my left hand. I mean, I know it's
• 1:58:55
  my left hand. I'm not that stupid. I'm being silly, but you
• 1:58:58
  know the reality is right and left. I will be so convinced when I
• 1:59:03
  tell somebody right when I should have said left, that they will turn right,
• 1:59:06
  and I'll be like, hmm, you turn time. So here we
• 1:59:12
  are so across the pond. Across the pond, yes, but why are
• 1:59:17
  we considering the area in population of the UK? I hear you asking,
• 1:59:23
  Well, you might expect that among a tightly packed population, you would you'd
• 1:59:30
  be able to find your fair share of vicious villains. But there's another factor
• 1:59:34
  at work here that you'd think would contribute to the increase in vicious crimes.
• 1:59:40
  Urban mass is a distinctive characteristic of the modern era, and it's something that
• 1:59:45
  has profoundly altered the nature of human relationships by virtue of generating an unprecedented degree
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  of anonymity, which is something predators used to be able to hide in plain
• 1:59:56
  sight. They need to camouflage themselves in society, often mimicking their ways and
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  emotions, and they do this primarily because they don't know how to behave in
• 2:00:06
  day to day life, but also in order to get away with their crimes.
• 2:00:15
  So back in the sixties, individuals knew one another by name. They
• 2:00:17
  often had intimate knowledge of their neighbor's family history, daily routines, and personal
• 2:00:23
  predilections, elections, elections, who knows math. Strangers were rarely encountered,
• 2:00:30
  and when encountered, were basically the subject of rumor and suspicion. And the
• 2:00:38
  rise of capitalism and related processes of mass migration to urban centers has resulted in
• 2:00:44
  individuals being immersed in a sea of strangers. Thus, anonymity has become easier
• 2:00:48
  to accomplish. How much do you know about your neighbors across the pond?
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  Are the ones next door to my house across the pond? Oh no,
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  no, next door to your house. I've got creepy vampires on one side
• 2:01:09
  and nice people on the other side. Creepy go on. They do not
• 2:01:15
  let their children play outside, and they keep their shutters blind shut all the
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  time. If you knock on their front door, they step out to talk
• 2:01:27
  to you and will not let you see in the house. They adopted the
• 2:01:30
  girls the year we moved into our house six years ago, so we call
• 2:01:36
  them the vampires. So it's Lady Gaga and her crew from American Horror Story
• 2:01:43
  Hotel. I just worry one day we're going to have dateline. Keith Morrison's
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  going to be next door talking to them because they're crazy. You worry,
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  or you'll be excited. No, I worry, Keith Morrison'll be there.
• 2:01:57
  Oh no, hey, he I sleep with him every night. That's right,
• 2:02:02
  I said, say, I sleep with Keith every night. It's me,
• 2:02:05
  him and Handsome Hovey in bed together, plus two dogs. Every night.
• 2:02:12
  We're back to fifty shades. My so, so along, I was
• 2:02:20
  gonna say at Keith, if you want to come to my house and actually
• 2:02:25
  crawl in bed with this instead of just being in my ear, I'm open
• 2:02:29
  for a conversation. What is handsome, mummy? I mean maybe he may
• 2:02:40
  not be, he may not be okay with that, but he also might
• 2:02:45
  say. He might also say, well, at his age, if he
• 2:02:49
  can handle you, give a try. I'm sorry, Keith, that wasn't
• 2:03:00
  very nice. Where's Ricky Watson and his horses? All right? Okay?
• 2:03:04
  So what I was saying was, uh, you know, along these lines.
• 2:03:13
  Just today I saw my uncle post a meme that says, today my
• 2:03:16
  neighbor asked me how I was doing. I guess I got to move now.
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  It's brilliant, brilliant. What was the TV show back in the nineties
• 2:03:30
  where the guy was Tim Allen would talk to his neighbor and the fence covered
• 2:03:35
  his face. I don't remember what. Yeah, home improvement, Home Improvement,
• 2:03:42
  Yep, yep. Oh it was a good show. Yoh, that's
• 2:03:47
  a good show. No complaints from this peanut gallery, but the reality.
• 2:03:55
  But but I mean, like, how many of us actually know our neighbors.
• 2:03:58
  If we know our neighbors, do we we know our neighbor's neighbors.
• 2:04:00
  I guess is that there are very few who do anymore. And this is
• 2:04:05
  something that's happened relatively recently. I personally remember back in the nineties being at
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  my grandparents' house and having a block party for the entire neighborhood, or for
• 2:04:13
  at least the entire length of Helen Avenue. And by the mid two thousands
• 2:04:16
  that was gone. People left, people moved in the world changed nine to
• 2:04:19
  eleven happened for the United States. Just a lot, a lot happened,
• 2:04:26
  and people decided that, you know, that wasn't a vital anymore. Other
• 2:04:32
  boundaries of everyday life closed in to basically the four walls of our homes rather
• 2:04:36
  than the crossroads of our neighborhoods and Ralph. Britain has experienced this and has
• 2:04:42
  had its share of heinous crimes. To be sure, it hasn't seen a
• 2:04:45
  lot of serial killers. Of course, you'll say, what about Jack the
• 2:04:51
  Ripper. Well, while he is widely regarded as the first and most famous
• 2:04:57
  British serial killer, we don't hear too much about folks who followed in his
• 2:05:00
  footsteps. There were some, to be sure, but nowhere near what other
• 2:05:05
  countries in the United States. Come see. So the duo we're going to
• 2:05:12
  talk to to talk about talk to you today, we're not talking to them
• 2:05:15
  talk about today, is arguably much worse than Jack the Ripper if you could
• 2:05:20
  put them on, you know, on a scale, since his crimes,
• 2:05:27
  since Jack the Rippers crimes and I just like since his crimes are been thirty
• 2:05:33
  four British serial killers total. That's it total. We have that like in
• 2:05:45
  a month, right, And I'm glad you said that, because the FBI
• 2:05:49
  estimates that they are between twenty five to fifty active serial killers in the United
• 2:05:55
  States at any given time, and media in America is often in traded with
• 2:06:00
  news of as we know, mass shooting, stings, crime, criminals,
• 2:06:04
  serial killers and more, which is it's not you know, it's not unheard
• 2:06:11
  of, but it is very very rare in the UK, very rare.
• 2:06:17
  So that's I guess they're very proper well, I you know, if if
• 2:06:26
  memory serves me correctly, there are like crimes involving blades, right, there's
• 2:06:30
  like knife crimes, right, But in terms of mass shootings not really.
• 2:06:39
  I mean, we're still talking about the bombing that happened right in the at
• 2:06:43
  the concert in England, so you know, and we I can't even remember
• 2:06:46
  what the last mass shooting was, but I'm pretty sure it was just yesterday,
• 2:06:49
  right. I mean I had friends at UNC when that shooting happened.
• 2:06:55
  I mean, I keep trying to convince h H for us to move across
• 2:06:59
  the pond. I mean, you know, time difference would be hard for
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  recording, but we'd figure it out. But I get to your house when
• 2:07:11
  you move. Sorry, guys, what's wrong? I don't know if y'all
• 2:07:24
  want me to give this a little update, but I just got a message
• 2:07:29
  from somebody saying they want to talk to me because they may have been the
• 2:07:35
  person trying to use Chase's card ATM card Come again, Yes, you want
• 2:07:45
  to send them an invite to this channel right now? No, because that
• 2:07:50
  kind of makes me nervous not knowing more details. I don't want to bring
• 2:07:56
  someone on and wind up getting ourselves in some trouble or targets on us or
• 2:08:01
  anything. So how about I do this. I will respond reach out and
• 2:08:07
  I will post an update in the community chat on our YouTube channel tomorrow,
• 2:08:15
  which means more importantly that they're watching. Yes, Oh, I guess I
• 2:08:24
  should have said this earlier. There are conversations happening. I am going back
• 2:08:31
  to my high school for homecoming this weekend. I had someone very nicely reach
• 2:08:35
  out and ask me if I needed to be escorted in and out of the
• 2:08:41
  stadium because they heard that I was looking into this case, which tells you
• 2:08:46
  people are talking and that's what we want. Yeah, that's true, very
• 2:08:54
  true. Sorry to interrupt, but yes, I would love to move across
• 2:08:58
  the haunt. So what is the serial killer? Well, it's someone who
• 2:09:05
  eats a lot of cap'n crunch. Sorry, dad, joke. So,
• 2:09:16
  according to the website Oxford bibliographies dot com, here's a serious definition of serial
• 2:09:22
  killer. Serial murder is one form of multiple murder. The term serial murder
• 2:09:28
  has only been part of the vernacular since the nineteen eighties, when the Federal
• 2:09:31
  Bureau of Investigation began to differentiate between various forms of multiple murder. Serial murder
• 2:09:37
  involves the killing of multiple victims and separate events over a period of time,
• 2:09:41
  and that period of time between murders can be characterized as a cooling off period
• 2:09:46
  where the offender returns to a normal, generally law abiding routine before committing their
• 2:09:52
  next murder infinitely more rare than a serial killer. It's a serial killing couple.
• 2:10:03
  Killing couples are a rare breed in the dark annals of the world of
• 2:10:07
  murder, but when two evil entities unite, they lead to the war the
• 2:10:13
  worst crimes in history. One of the pairs we are going to look at
• 2:10:18
  now is Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, better known known as the Moors Murderers.
• 2:10:26
  Why the more as well? You'll find out the hair also, yeah,
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  right, the hair. It's it looks like one of my wigs.
• 2:10:33
  To be honest with you, they are that is a that is a couple
• 2:10:43
  out of beatle ge. Yes, like, that's the best I can think
• 2:10:50
  of on that front. Okay, so you know you can imagine killing is
• 2:11:01
  not a secret you readily share with your spouse. Uh you know. Uh
• 2:11:07
  hey there, hey there, darling. All right, Terry, you're gonna
• 2:11:11
  feel at home. Hey there, darling, you know what I want to
• 2:11:15
  do for dating night this week? No, not the movies, No,
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  you see, usually this is a skeleton that stays well hidden inside of a
• 2:11:24
  killer's closet, and it's certainly not something you lead with while speed dating.
• 2:11:28
  I feel like I've offended terry you have because Kelly P just gave me a
• 2:11:35
  great idea for a new dating app. Instead of closet skeletons, something skelet
• 2:11:50
  sclet match. I don't I'm gonna have to think on that one. Ooh,
• 2:11:54
  serial dater, see done it and that. I'll tell you, the
• 2:12:05
  psychology behind two people getting together and killing together is one of the most fascinating
• 2:12:18
  matches. I mean it just to get two people, I mean, it's
• 2:12:22
  it just it leaves me speechless because there are just so many things that have
• 2:12:28
  to fall just right, Oh yeah, oh for sure, for sure,
• 2:12:33
  and this is this is definitely one of those cases. So like you know,
• 2:12:39
  how many times have we seen family members completely unaware of what's been happening
• 2:12:41
  until one day their loved ones arrested and they can't believe it to be true.
• 2:12:46
  And so many secrets and skeletons come out of trial, even things that
• 2:12:48
  are not remotely relevant. And to involve another person, it's pretty risky for
• 2:12:54
  a killer. You know what if they went to the police about what you
• 2:12:56
  were up to involving someone's it's para us to do. Some would say perilously,
• 2:13:03
  perilous, And we will see that was the very thing that eventually led
• 2:13:09
  to Brady and Myra's downfall. So it should be known that here's your trigger
• 2:13:18
  warning. These are crimes against children. They're they do focus on younger kids
• 2:13:28
  between the ages of ten and seventeen. So if this is not for you,
• 2:13:31
  again, here's another trigger. I'll be back by Terry and I'll be
• 2:13:41
  backs me. Yeah. We we try starings really good with not like getting
• 2:13:48
  too far into the weeds with everything, so like in terms of very specific
• 2:13:52
  things, but you know, just to just know that this is you know,
• 2:13:56
  yeah, all right. So so Ian Brady would go on to use
• 2:14:03
  Samaira Handley belore five children to their deaths. Did you see Tom Brady,
• 2:14:09
  not Ian Brady not Yes, and they were between the ages of ten and
• 2:14:15
  seventeen, which honestly makes these two the worst people in the history of Britain,
• 2:14:18
  or some of them. You know, Crimes against children are an entire
• 2:14:24
  other level of wickedness. It evokes strong emotions and every decent human as it's
• 2:14:31
  our nature to protect them. And even in the prison system they recognize this.
• 2:14:35
  I mean, here's looking at you, Lori Mallow, because if you're
• 2:14:37
  in jail for a crime against a child or children, You're more likely to
• 2:14:41
  be attacked by other inmates or worse. But what does that say about the
• 2:14:48
  world that even the worst of the worst. No, that just shouldn't hurt
• 2:14:54
  children, that you mean? Yep? So what made Myra Hindley stoop to
• 2:15:03
  such evil into pravity as to help Ian with hurting and killing such young children.
• 2:15:09
  We don't understand how falling in love with Brady led Hindley to help him
• 2:15:13
  take innocent lives. It just doesn't make sense. But here's the deal.
• 2:15:18
  Love's powerful, I mean, whatever her definition of love was anyways, I
• 2:15:24
  mean, it's not only powerful, but it can be incredibly toxic, almost
• 2:15:28
  as toxic as Britney spears. I just heard a groan from everybody watching.
• 2:15:39
  There was a collective groan. Did you hear that in the distance? I
• 2:15:43
  heard it. All right, you're welcome Britney. Britney just needs a lot
• 2:15:56
  of love and a lot of medication right now. Yep, yep, I
• 2:16:03
  love. That's true. I am. No body questioned it, just gonna
• 2:16:13
  be honest. Not even did I ever cross my mind that maybe that was
• 2:16:18
  your joke. It's true, It's true. That is definitely Dad humor not
• 2:16:22
  not British humor at all. So either way, you know, it's obvious
• 2:16:28
  that from the minute Hindley met Brady, she was obsessed with what was he
• 2:16:35
  was described as aloof. He was an aloof young man. While working as
• 2:16:39
  a typist at Milworth Merchandise Limited, a chemical company, she became intrigued by
• 2:16:45
  a bookkeeper, Ian Brady. As mentioned, Brady was aloof or cool and
• 2:16:50
  distant. Perhaps this was what attracted her to him. This will make a
• 2:16:54
  little more sense in a little while. In turn, he saw someone he
• 2:16:56
  could mold to help him fulfill sick fantasies. He would share with her his
• 2:17:03
  ideologies that had picked that he'd picked up from reading books like mind Coomp,
• 2:17:09
  the autobiographical manifesto of Nazi le Adolf Hitler, as well as were other works
• 2:17:16
  on Nazi atrocities. Because quite honestly, what's a better pickup line than going,
• 2:17:22
  Hi, I'm i in. Have you read mind Coomp? Like that's
• 2:17:28
  not even the script, but like, I'm pretty sure i'd kind of like
• 2:17:31
  walk away, walk away. Uh, it definitely wouldn't work on me.
• 2:17:39
  So, uh, you know, there are some that would see this as
• 2:17:43
  a massive red flag but Meyra apparently saw it as an aphrodisiac. Uh.
• 2:17:50
  It's understood that Ian was the dominant partner in the relationship, and some believe
• 2:17:54
  Meyra was fully brainwashed by Brady, while others felt she was just is evil.
• 2:18:01
  One thing's for sure. They brought out the worst in each other.
• 2:18:05
  They were like they're like a couple kind of addicted to drugs. They would
• 2:18:09
  just reinforce the habit again and again and again, not only indeed, but
• 2:18:13
  in mindset. Meira did admit later in prison that she felt she was worse
• 2:18:18
  than Brady as most children would trust her as a woman, and without her
• 2:18:22
  playing her part, the children would not have been murdered by Brady. So
• 2:18:28
  how is Brady able to have such an influence on Hindley to be able to
• 2:18:31
  seduce her and help him to commit such monstrous acts? So for that,
• 2:18:37
  we really need to go back. So let's Tarantino this, shall we.
• 2:18:46
  I had to find the most offensive Tarantino image that I possibly could. All
• 2:18:52
  right, so let's focus on Brady for a second. He was He was
• 2:18:58
  born of a single mother in glad Go, Scotland, in nineteen thirty eight.
• 2:19:01
  His mom worked to provide for herself. Having little money not much support,
• 2:19:05
  she was unable to look after a baby on her own, so soon
• 2:19:09
  after birth he was given to a foster couple to be raised. In his
• 2:19:13
  teenage years, he was in trouble with the lot of the lot a lot.
• 2:19:18
  He was in trouble with the law a lot. That's on me,
• 2:19:22
  actually, I specifically remember messing that up. There were red flags everywhere.
• 2:19:30
  It was a regular meeting of Bahrain, China, Turkey, Canada, and
• 2:19:33
  North Korea. Not literally, but you get my drift, unless you don't
• 2:19:37
  know the flags of countries, in which case I'll just describe the attendees of
• 2:19:41
  the most awkward Thanksgiving dinner ever. Please thanks, okay, and yes I
• 2:19:50
  did have to google red flag countries okay. Ian was arrested twice for house
• 2:19:56
  breaking and was arrested again when he threatened his then girlfriends with the knife.
• 2:20:05
  He's a well, he's a real winner at this one. Because of this,
• 2:20:07
  on his seventeenth birthday, the court ordered Ian to go back to live
• 2:20:11
  with his biological mother and her husbands been Patrick Brady, in Manchester, England.
• 2:20:18
  I don't understand why to this day, because it didn't work. Out
• 2:20:20
  the first time, and he took on his stepfather's name, became Ian Brady.
• 2:20:26
  And this is around when he met Hindley. Now Myra Hindley was born
• 2:20:31
  in Manchester to an extremely abusive father, who in turn encouraged her to be
• 2:20:37
  violent to others. He put his young daughter into martial arts classes in a
• 2:20:41
  time when feminine and masculine roles were very well defined, and suffice to say,
• 2:20:46
  fighting was not ladylike. Now did this early life make her susceptible to
• 2:20:52
  being influenced by Brady? I mean it might have. More so, though,
• 2:20:56
  was the need for approval from her father, And this moved to een
• 2:21:01
  and her constant seeking of approval, thinking that approval was the equivalent of love.
• 2:21:11
  So what did they do? You know, it doesn't work that all
• 2:21:15
  right, it doesn't hold on. I'll just I'll just write that down.
• 2:21:26
  L is for the way you look at me. Oh all right, I'm
• 2:21:33
  buying you a wig that looked just like this. To see, now I
• 2:21:41
  have one kind of it just happens to be like a rainbow colored. So
• 2:21:46
  so that this is the case that goes This is the part of the case
• 2:21:50
  that goes more in depth than to the killings of the children. The victims
• 2:21:54
  again. You know, if this is too much, skip forward, you
• 2:21:58
  know, after your mental health first and foremost. So Pauline read the first
• 2:22:07
  victim, was sixteen year old. Sixteen years old, Pauline was on her
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  way to a dance, dressed to the nines and wearing her mother's necklace.
• 2:22:18
  Dances were the social occasion of the week and it was where friends hung out
• 2:22:22
  and it was a prime, prime meeting spot to meet a potential suitor.
• 2:22:28
  It was where the newest dances and music were being played. I mean,
• 2:22:31
  it was the place to be. The cat's meow. Pauline was six years
• 2:22:35
  ago, right, aw, except with a beat and more dancing. So
• 2:22:45
  Pauline was excited to go. And when a friend bailed on her, well,
• 2:22:48
  she set off on her own. I mean, remember this time,
• 2:22:52
  it was seen as okay to do. In the sixties, it was understood
• 2:22:58
  to be a safe time, with safe neighborhoods. This was the time where
• 2:23:01
  mothers left their infants outside on the front tour in hopes that they would nap
• 2:23:09
  in the fresh air. You know they still do that in Finland. I
• 2:23:13
  was just in Finland, I believe February been there twice. Now they put
• 2:23:18
  their babies out on porches. They go into a restaurant to eat, and
• 2:23:24
  they have big windows. There's like ten prams lined up outside with their babies
• 2:23:31
  because I asked if it was okay to just take one. So they still
• 2:23:37
  do that in some places. Yeah, yeah, I here. You would
• 2:23:46
  go to prison for it, oh for sure, right away, if you
• 2:23:52
  know, if we didn't have a bystander effect. So you know, children
• 2:24:00
  played in the streets unsupervised, school children went off to school alone, even
• 2:24:05
  at a very young age. Abductions and murders just didn't happen in these communities,
• 2:24:11
  you know. But this was the sixties, right. The Beatles and
• 2:24:13
  Elvis Presley were some of the biggest musical acts popular at the time. Everywhere
• 2:24:18
  you turned you saw the fashion of tied I shirts, mini skirts, faded
• 2:24:22
  Jean's peace and love were the idealistic emblems of the era. This was in
• 2:24:26
  response primarily to the fact that, you know, the Vietnam War was in
• 2:24:30
  full swing, and even though Britain wasn't as involved as America, obviously,
• 2:24:35
  anti war activism traversed across the pond. So Paulin was on her wage.
• 2:24:45
  Yes, your screen stopped sharing. Well, that is unfortunate because I was
• 2:24:50
  going to make a comment that I think you would look great in that orange
• 2:24:52
  dress with the white go go boots, and the picture went away. Thank
• 2:24:56
  you, thank you. Well, I don't know why that happened. That's
• 2:25:00
  odd, but oh thank you could rock those bits. Oh my gosh,
• 2:25:07
  my legs would look so long. Okay, you got me about it,
• 2:25:16
  Hey, all right. So so Pauline was on her way to the dance
• 2:25:20
  when Myra Hindley in a small van, followed by Ian on a motorcycle behind
• 2:25:26
  her. Uh. They showed up. All Ian had to do was flashes
• 2:25:30
  lights, which was a pre arranged signal. Myra would stop, ask the
• 2:25:35
  girl for a hand finding a glove, and then offer her a lift to
• 2:25:39
  the dance when up on the moors, because the glove was on the moors.
• 2:25:46
  Uh. When when they were up there, Brady would attack Pauline.
• 2:25:52
  He raped her, he s let her throat, and they unceremoniously buried her
• 2:25:56
  body in a hidden grave and left. So a pattern was set. Meyer
• 2:26:03
  would learn lure the kids into the car asking for help, and take them
• 2:26:07
  off to the moor, where Brady attacked and killed them in much the same
• 2:26:13
  way. They then would bury them on the More, and he would do
• 2:26:18
  this not only to Pauline Reid, but to his next victims as well.
• 2:26:24
  The astute amongst you will have noticed why they were dubbed the Moore's murders.
• 2:26:28
  The More in question has miles of undeveloped and unspoiled nature, and it is
• 2:26:35
  vast and very remote, making it the perfect isolated place to commit these murders.
• 2:26:45
  The More specifically so, it was specifically Saddleworth More, and it takes
• 2:26:50
  its name from the parish of Saddleworth, which is in the West Riding of
• 2:26:54
  Yorkshire. It's part of Greater Manchester and has been and has been since nineteen
• 2:27:01
  seventy four. The moor is an elevated plateau with gritstone and v shaped valleys
• 2:27:07
  with fast flowing streams. Scattered farmsteads and fields are on the lower land and
• 2:27:13
  in the valleys, and there is overlying peat cut by drainage channels. Much
• 2:27:18
  of the land is open access. The peat formation itself is nine thousand years
• 2:27:24
  old, but where the surface has eroded there is bear peat. Now.
• 2:27:28
  In addition, nothing good has really ever happened on this More to be honest
• 2:27:35
  with you. In August of nineteen forty nine, a BA Douglas DC three
• 2:27:39
  plane crashed into the hill at Wimbury Stones, killing twenty four and leaving eight
• 2:27:43
  survivors. The body of an unknown man was found between che and Doveston reservoirs,
• 2:27:52
  having died of Strych nine poisoning. A wildfire broke out June two thousand
• 2:28:00
  eighteen, which ended with massive evacuations and damage. Three days later they were
• 2:28:05
  still fighting the fire. As a peat more, the fire burns underground before
• 2:28:11
  setting above ground on fire. This results in a ton of smoke and high
• 2:28:16
  temperatures. In fact, experts had said that the fire could go on for
• 2:28:20
  another few weeks. Inside it was it's insane. It's burning underground. Yeah,
• 2:28:31
  yep, yep, okay yep. And then in twenty nineteen February,
• 2:28:37
  a fire described as apocalyptic as you can see here occurred on the moor.
• 2:28:43
  So what a location for sure. John Kilbride was a twelve year old boy
• 2:28:54
  who worked at the nearby market. He stopped there. He stopped at the
• 2:29:01
  market on his way back from the cinema on November twenty third, nineteen sixty
• 2:29:03
  three. And this is where he met Myra Hindley. Myra asked him to
• 2:29:09
  help put some boxes in her car and subsequently offered him a lift home.
• 2:29:13
  On the way home, Mara asked John to help her find her glove on
• 2:29:18
  the moor. When there, Ian again raped and strangled John and buried his
• 2:29:24
  body there. Keith Bennett on They just sixteenth, nineteen sixty Oh, I
• 2:29:39
  thought I was Madi. Can I stop and ask questions? Sure? Why
• 2:29:46
  children? Do you ever find that out? Are they just the worst people
• 2:29:52
  on the earth? Ian's okay. So here's here's the interesting thing about this,
• 2:30:01
  and it will come to light in a bit. Here is that Ian
• 2:30:05
  really focused on He really focused on small kids, and I think it was
• 2:30:11
  out of his need to control. And we'll see eventually where he decides to
• 2:30:16
  choose kind of an older victim. And it doesn't go great because I don't
• 2:30:22
  well, I'll talk about it. I'll talk about it. It's a really
• 2:30:26
  good question. But June sixteenth, nineteen sixty four, Keith Bennett, who
• 2:30:33
  was also twelve, he went missing on his way to stay at his grandma's
• 2:30:37
  house. Which is a certain fairy tale and how it starts just before something
• 2:30:41
  really bad happens so his mom and sisters had walked him part of the way
• 2:30:48
  as they were off to Bingo. While they arrived at Bingo part of the
• 2:30:52
  way. Sorry, when they arrived at Bingo, Keith never turned up at
• 2:30:56
  his grandma's house again. Asking for assistance to load a van. Myyra offered
• 2:31:05
  to give him a lift to his grandma's house. On the way, she
• 2:31:07
  said that she needed help looking for a glove on the moor. While there,
• 2:31:13
  Keith was raped and strangled, and his body would never be found.
• 2:31:20
  Now after Keith, things changed a little, and this is true of all
• 2:31:24
  serial killers. Ian felt the need to escalate. Myra followed suit, and
• 2:31:31
  their fourth victim was a ten year old girl by the name of Lesley and
• 2:31:35
  Downey. Leslie and Downey was at a fair ground on December twenty sixth,
• 2:31:41
  nineteen sixty four, when Myra Hindley had abducted her and took her back to
• 2:31:46
  their house. While there, Myra had started recording the torture of the ten
• 2:31:54
  year old Leslie and Downey was at a fair ground number twenty sixth. We
• 2:32:05
  just talked about that. Sorry. On the tapes, you can hear the
• 2:32:09
  girl pleading to be able to go home to her parents, crying and asking
• 2:32:13
  not to be undressed and gagged. Obviously, I'm not gonna play this tape.
• 2:32:18
  Mera was at times nice girl and then threatening. Now this serves to
• 2:32:22
  disarm and then cause the maximum psychological harm and damage in the house. Little
• 2:32:28
  Leslie was raped and murdered. Her body had been taken to the moor and
• 2:32:31
  buried. The tapes proved to be Henley's undoing because they proved that Hindley wasn't
• 2:32:37
  a mindless follower of Brady, but as cold and evil as he was.
• 2:32:46
  Did I have the wrong Okay, all right, so you did for a
• 2:32:54
  minute, but you're good. Now what did I do? Yeah? The
• 2:32:58
  wrong slide up? It's okay, I'm sorry, Okay, sorry, everybody,
• 2:33:03
  you're human. It's okay, dear, I'm human. And there's fifty
• 2:33:07
  three of these slides. So how are they caught? That involves a young
• 2:33:13
  fellow by the name of David Smith. That's right. Wasn't really police or
• 2:33:18
  concerns citizens. It was just this one fella. There's David Smith, who
• 2:33:26
  looks like he should probably be in like a sixties pop band. I know,
• 2:33:31
  it sounds like when he looks like he should be a musician, right,
• 2:33:33
  he looks like he looks like you should be in Paul Revere and the
• 2:33:37
  Raiders, which is a callback. And people either know what I'm talking about
• 2:33:43
  or they don't. I don't, So it's okay. Now. Now my
• 2:33:54
  brain wants to tell you that you probably do. And that being said,
• 2:34:00
  ed Yep, Nope, can't find anything right away, and that's okay.
• 2:34:09
  So in terms of David Smith, Brady had befriended David Smith, who had
• 2:34:15
  married Myra Hindley's sister. David and Ian started spending a lot of time together
• 2:34:20
  talking about how to commit crimes and get away with him. I believe he
• 2:34:24
  thought he had found another person who he could indoctrinate with his sick ideology,
• 2:34:31
  but he was mistaken. Brady's ultimate undoing occurred when he involved David in his
• 2:34:37
  final victim's murder. So Edward Evans was the fifth victim. After meeting the
• 2:34:46
  seventeen year old on October sixth, nineteen sixty five, at a railway station,
• 2:34:50
  Ian convinced him to go back to his house for a sexual encounter.
• 2:34:54
  While Edward was at the house, Myra was sent to pick up David Smith.
• 2:35:00
  You see, Ian believed David would be okay to be involved, And
• 2:35:07
  to that, I say, oh, how wrong he it was. When
• 2:35:15
  David entered the house, he saw Ian bringing a hatchet down on Edward's head.
• 2:35:20
  Ian then took a piece of string strangled Edward injuring his ankle in the
• 2:35:26
  struggle. Now remember Edward was seventeen and this was a fight that Ian was
• 2:35:31
  not ready for or used to. Afterwards, they put Edward's body in the
• 2:35:39
  spare room, and well they locked the door. Afraid of Ian and what
• 2:35:46
  he saw, David Smith went to the nearest telephone box and ring the police.
• 2:35:52
  Instead, he found somewhere that was much larger on the inside and the
• 2:35:58
  hardest. Okay. A strapping gentleman in a blue pinstriped suit and khaki trench
• 2:36:05
  coat approached him and asked, when would you like to go? Wait?
• 2:36:09
  Wait, wait, hold on, that's not right. That's that's doctor who
• 2:36:16
  my bad. So a member of the police basically dressed as a breadman k
• 2:36:22
  talked on the door of Myra Hindley and asked for her husband. She said,
• 2:36:26
  nope, don't know what you're talking about, and she denied even having
• 2:36:30
  a husband, a whole husband, to which the police identified themselves and gained
• 2:36:35
  admittance to the home, where they found Ian Brady on a mattress on the
• 2:36:37
  floor in the lounge, writing to his employer about the ankle injury he sustained
• 2:36:43
  while killing his latest victim. Police searched the house and they found a locked
• 2:36:52
  door leading to a spare room. Myra said the key was at work,
• 2:37:01
  but Ian told Myra to give the police the key to the door. Now
• 2:37:05
  that was either in an effort to give up or because he was exhausted.
• 2:37:11
  And when they opened the door, they found the body of Edward Evans and
• 2:37:13
  Ian was arrested. I don't want to be that person who finds those things.
• 2:37:20
  I don't know. So during the search of the house, a railway
• 2:37:30
  luggage ticket was found, and when the police went to the railway station and
• 2:37:33
  opened the locker, a suitcase was found. So what was inside of the
• 2:37:41
  suitcase? Well, they found items belonging to children, along with photos,
• 2:37:48
  notebooks, and recordings of the murder of Leslie Ann Downing. They also found
• 2:37:58
  photos of Ian and Myra up on the moors looking down at the ground in
• 2:38:01
  various specific spots. When they went up to the moor, they found the
• 2:38:05
  bodies of John Kilbride and Leslie Ann Downey. Myra and Ian would later take
• 2:38:13
  the place. Sorry, excuse me, Mayra and Ian would later take the
• 2:38:20
  police to the moors to show them where Keith was buried. Whether Ian forgot
• 2:38:26
  or was messing with the police to be able to get a day out of
• 2:38:28
  prison and nobody can know. So the couple were tried together for three murders.
• 2:38:37
  It was obvious that Myra was in uh it was obvious where was I.
• 2:38:45
  It was obvious that Myra was involved as she was in the recording of
• 2:38:48
  the murder and the photos from the moor. Yet they both pleaded guilty with
• 2:38:52
  a body found in the house and recordings and memorabilia found. This is mind
• 2:38:58
  blowing, but it also speaks to their ego, pride, and their need
• 2:39:01
  for control, as well as them wanting to relive the murders and torture the
• 2:39:07
  victims' families. During the trial, Myras said that she had been unaware of
• 2:39:13
  what had happened. Ian Brady said he had he had hit Edward Evans with
• 2:39:20
  a hatchet, but it was self defense. The jury was shown the recording
• 2:39:28
  in photos of Leslie and Downing, which were horrifying. Ian spent eight hours
• 2:39:35
  testifying and then myras in another six hours. Both of them together are still
• 2:39:45
  less than Jody Arias, as we are very well aware right now spent on
• 2:39:56
  the reort. What a trial that never ends. We're almost there. We're
• 2:40:05
  on the defense for bottle closing. No, okay, I'm gonna stop real
• 2:40:11
  quick. One of my besties, one of my gays, just said,
• 2:40:16
  Hi, it's my shoe. Hi. I know, if you listen to
• 2:40:24
  any of the early podcasts, the Shoe is on a couple of them.
• 2:40:30
  But I invited him for the one I don't remember the name of the case,
• 2:40:35
  but where the guy cut off the other guy's Gena Telia with the wine
• 2:40:39
  bottle opener and the look on Shoe's face when I did that, because we
• 2:40:48
  were together, and I will tell you, I have never seen someone squirm
• 2:40:54
  so bad. And I love him for it because he was so okay with
• 2:40:58
  it. He was my very first guest ever on the podcast. That's awesome.
• 2:41:05
  He needs to back. Sorry. I needed a lighthearted laugh because I'm
• 2:41:11
  going to just be honest, this case is very triggering for me. We
• 2:41:15
  are almost done, I know. So the jury spent only two hours to
• 2:41:20
  come back with a guilty verdict, and they were sentenced a whole life in
• 2:41:24
  prison or life without parolelfer of the Americans out there. While in prison,
• 2:41:28
  they each confess to the murders of all five children and take the police to
• 2:41:33
  find the other bodies up on the moor, But the body of Keith,
• 2:41:35
  Bennett and Pauline Lead would never be found. People still go searching and they
• 2:41:46
  hope to find Keith's body. Even up to twenty twenty one, his body
• 2:41:48
  was being searched for by his family. Both Hindley and Brady have since died
• 2:41:52
  in prison, and hope remains that one day the body of Keith will be
• 2:41:58
  found. So you know, for me, when when reading this script or
• 2:42:09
  when Surenne was doing her research, you know, it affected us deeply kind
• 2:42:13
  of on a you know, on an emotional level, and I think it
• 2:42:16
  has for everybody here. Uh. These crimes were horrifyingly brutal, and well
• 2:42:22
  it couldn't get couldn't get much worse details than the ones that we've just heard
• 2:42:28
  about. While Brand, Brady, and Hindley remained in jail for the rest
• 2:42:35
  of their lives, justice for Keith and Pauline was never accomplished. We feel
• 2:42:41
  for their families as well as every family that loses a loved one because because
• 2:42:46
  of the actions of such a dangerous and deranged individual, pair of individuals,
• 2:42:52
  or just there's a bunch of paper towels to wait. What where am I?
• 2:43:00
  I'm so sorry? Would you like another glass of wine? My love?
• 2:43:05
  My brain went so far left. I am so tired. Okay,
• 2:43:13
  I'm pulling a lot of things. Actually, I really can't deliver that last
• 2:43:20
  line again, so I'll just cut it after the first time. To be
• 2:43:22
  honest with you, it feels disingenuine to try and do that last line again,
• 2:43:28
  but it's true. I mean we do. We feel for their families
• 2:43:31
  and every family that loses the loved one because of the actions of these dangerous
• 2:43:37
  and dranged individuals. So that's the Morris murders. That's the Morris murders,
• 2:43:43
  and that's the end of JT is really what the film's down too. Game
• 2:43:50
  over, man, Game over, You need to sleep. That was good.
• 2:43:58
  I have to tell you, that is a case I've always steered clear
• 2:44:05
  of. Oh and I have to say when you sent over that that's the
• 2:44:11
  one you're doing. It didn't register with me until it popped up tonight and
• 2:44:16
  I was like, oh, I can do this. I'm still sounding like
• 2:44:24
  a man, but no, I mean it's triggering, but I am still
• 2:44:31
  a firm believer that we have to understand our past to help educate and prevent
• 2:44:39
  the future. I agree, I agree, and I think it's a it's
• 2:44:50
  a fascinating what I What I did was I acknowledged just the absolute terrible acts
• 2:44:58
  that they committed, and I acknowledge the fact that this case is just deranged
• 2:45:05
  and dark and dismal, and it's just terrible. So after usually what happens
• 2:45:13
  is after I recognize that, I will then start substituting for my interest in
• 2:45:20
  like how could any of these folks do this? But then also in this
• 2:45:24
  case, how how did both of them end up together in a way that
• 2:45:31
  where they felt comfortable taking these actions? And so for me, kind of
• 2:45:37
  asking that question kind of helped me work through it. And I don't I
• 2:45:41
  can't even imagine what it was what it was like for Suren to do the
• 2:45:46
  research on that one. So thank Surene. Yeah, I mean, Sharene,
• 2:45:54
  please don't hate me for this considering she wrote one of our first perfect
• 2:46:01
  and I think it's the case that we've given the highest ranking to. I
• 2:46:09
  hope your neighbors know you well, Scharene, because your mind is as wicked
• 2:46:13
  as mine and JT's. Sharen said Ian and Myra were trusted by their neighbors,
• 2:46:20
  and I think there's a lesson in that. There is wow. Normally
• 2:46:26
  I have the darker cases. It's fair Shren wants to kill a stranger,
• 2:46:35
  so just get to know her and you're fine, you know, And that's
• 2:46:41
  one reason like that we decided not to do the perfect crime tonight. I
• 2:46:46
  have to say our viewers and listeners they love killing random people. So the
• 2:46:52
  moral to that story is get to know everybody, because then they won't kill
• 2:46:56
  you, or it lowers your chances become more gregarious, you know. Yeah,
• 2:47:07
  well, thank you, I think for that. Oh, I just
• 2:47:09
  hit my microphone. My case is nowhere as dark. It's still brutal,
• 2:47:18
  but like I said earlier, I am still I used to want to be
• 2:47:24
  a neuropsychologist and work with people who had brain injuries, but also the more
• 2:47:33
  extremes of things, and a couple killers has always been one that fascinates me.
• 2:47:41
  And I'll be honest. When I thought of starting a podcast, I
• 2:47:45
  thought of doing a couple killers, and then I watched several snapped episodes and
• 2:47:52
  realized they didn't do a great job at it, and I decided I didn't
• 2:47:56
  want to live in the brains of couples that kill. Yeah, no,
• 2:48:05
  I need I need some variety, kind of like our thief at the top
• 2:48:11
  of our start tonight before we went into the Chase Lackey case of buckles.
• 2:48:16
  Every now and then, I need some buckles in my life. Oh okay,
• 2:48:24
  we just got proof that we're safe. Scharene is not going to kill
• 2:48:33
  us. I mean, you know, every color escalates, So Charina,
• 2:48:39
  I got your back. Aually, Hell, you're not, y'all. So
• 2:48:46
  well, my case isn't as dark. And my couple is a very young
• 2:48:52
  couple. They were both eighteen cheez eighteen and from Texas outside of the Dallas
• 2:49:01
  area, hence the Texas class. And of course we already talked about our
• 2:49:07
  wine pairing because I got an A tonight, so I needed to remind you
• 2:49:11
  all of that is the first time in my podcasting career that I've gotten an
• 2:49:15
  A. So I'm going to be cocky and taken. So I did not
• 2:49:24
  make slides for mine because guys. To be honest, I am so adjusting
• 2:49:28
  to this whole live thing. I might have to reach out to Sharen and
• 2:49:33
  say, hey, if I send you my script, will you make me
• 2:49:35
  some pretty slides? Because, as JT is found, I'm not good with
• 2:49:39
  visuals. I'm a girl. You you have great visuals that the charts were
• 2:49:46
  awesome. Yeah, we won't say how long that took to do those chores,
• 2:49:54
  how long I was on bed rest? What else did I have to
• 2:49:56
  do right besides hh, okay, you caught it dead dead. I died
• 2:50:07
  and now I'm dead. So. Adriana Jones was a vibrant young woman with
• 2:50:18
  dreams of pursuing higher education. She was a beautiful person known for her kind
• 2:50:24
  heart. She was dedicated to academics and a passion for running, and she
• 2:50:30
  hoped to go to Texas A and M. Gig them. She was a
• 2:50:35
  student who excelled in on her courses. Why are you laughing at that?
• 2:50:39
  If monkey butt was on? I tell her she can go to two colleges
• 2:50:43
  and we'll pay. She can go to A and M if she wants a
• 2:50:46
  cute guy, or she can go to ut Texas like her Paul Paul if
• 2:50:52
  she wants a smart one. But let me categorize. There are good looking
• 2:50:58
  ones that go to Texas this like her papa. But most of them,
• 2:51:01
  god, I am so anyway, kick them anyway. She also had a
• 2:51:05
  passion for running, and nobody was chasing her. So I do not understand
• 2:51:11
  the whole running thing, because if no one's chasing you or trying to kill
• 2:51:13
  you, I don't know why you run. I don't. It's like the
• 2:51:18
  slow Rhinoceros and Jumanji. I'm like, I don't. My friend, my
• 2:51:24
  neighbor across the street runs and I'm like, why who's chasing you? I
• 2:51:30
  will swim laps you run. But anyway, she she was in honor classes,
• 2:51:37
  and she was respected to her commitment to her studies and her athletic pursuits.
• 2:51:41
  But she also had a job, and she was very relentless in pursuit
• 2:51:48
  of justice in her community. And she was sixteen and she cared about equality,
• 2:51:58
  which I mean at sixteen, I can tell you equality was not something
• 2:52:05
  I thought of. I was more worried about Madonna. How to get my
• 2:52:09
  boostier out of the house with my parents seeing and packing extra clothes to change
• 2:52:15
  into that my parents didn't know about because they told me I couldn't wear them,
• 2:52:18
  so I had to make sure I wore them those kind of things.
• 2:52:22
  So she was way beyond me. But however, tragedy struck on the evening
• 2:52:28
  of December third, nineteen ninety five, when Adriana was last seen by her
• 2:52:33
  mother in her bedroom talking on the phone. Her family reported her missing the
• 2:52:39
  next morning, triggering a police investigation. The following day, however, Adriana's
• 2:52:45
  lifeless body was discovered near Joe Pool Lake in Grand Prix, Texas. It's
• 2:52:50
  right outside of Dallas. She had been brutally beaten and had suffered two gunshot
• 2:52:56
  wounds. To that now, the investigation into her murder was extensive for this
• 2:53:03
  small town. The police interviewed and polygraphed numerous individuals, you know, knowing
• 2:53:11
  polygraphs are you know, taken in court. They were still like it gives
• 2:53:16
  us a baseline. Everybody that she was friends with, and people were just
• 2:53:20
  lining up to do them. But despite their efforts, the case went cold,
• 2:53:26
  leaving the family just upset. Now, I think it's essential to provide
• 2:53:33
  background on the couple that we're getting ready to talk about. So Diane and
• 2:53:39
  David so we're gonna call them the Double d as their relationship with Adriana played
• 2:53:46
  a crucial role in this case. Diane and David met at the age of
• 2:53:52
  fourteen, but they didn't start dating until four years later, so they didn't
• 2:54:00
  start dating until they were eighteen. But they met when they were fourteen.
• 2:54:03
  However, their relationship quickly escalated within a month of dating. He proposed they
• 2:54:13
  agreed to get married after they finished college. I mean thirty days, yes,
• 2:54:22
  Kelly, p JT be tired. This week has been something else.
• 2:54:28
  See all, well, you're lucky, You're lucky. My case is short
• 2:54:35
  tonight. It is short tonight, and it is no way a commentary on
• 2:54:43
  your case or delivery. It is simply that emotionally and physically, and I
• 2:54:52
  get it. I get it. So, like I said, they planned
• 2:54:56
  to marry after college. However, friends and family know it that their relationship
• 2:55:01
  seemed unhealthy, characterized by an intense obsession with each other. So I'm going
• 2:55:07
  to just say, if a guy's proposing after thirty days and you're eighteen,
• 2:55:13
  run there might be something wrong with that relationship. You know your response should
• 2:55:20
  be this, Oh you can't hear it because I'm not sharing a scream well
• 2:55:24
  sugar water. Never we'll share your screen. Oh fine, is it worth
• 2:55:30
  it? I don't know. We'll find out it is because I like your
• 2:55:35
  funnies, my bunnies, my funnies. Let's see here we go money exactly,
• 2:55:48
  run as fast as you can. But I'm going to say they were
• 2:55:54
  two peas in a pod. So Diane was raised in a religious house sold
• 2:56:00
  and she was known for her reserved nature. So she didn't have a lot
• 2:56:03
  of friends, but she didn't have enemies. She was just kind of that
• 2:56:07
  person in high school that I hate to say the word that was kind of
• 2:56:13
  invisible. She just kind of went along with everything. Meanwhile, David and
• 2:56:20
  Adriana attended the same high school together in Mansfield, while Diana Diane went to
• 2:56:26
  school in nearby Crowley, Texas. I always talk like everybody knows Texas,
• 2:56:31
  and I have to remember not everybody does. But I would argue far fewer
• 2:56:39
  these days. I mean, I was born here, raised here. I
• 2:56:45
  can't say that I'm proud of my state these days. As I've mentioned before,
• 2:56:48
  Sorry for my res no. It's okay. Texas is on meth and
• 2:56:54
  they really need to go to rehab. The only thing they could do worse
• 2:56:58
  was bring Trump. But anyway, at the time of Adriana's murder, Adriana
• 2:57:05
  was sixteen, Diane and David were eighteen. I mean, yeah, so
• 2:57:16
  ooh, hold on, I just totally jumped. Okay, I don't know
• 2:57:24
  what happened there, but any way, I know, I'm like, I
• 2:57:28
  just pulled a JT. So they went to separate schools, Diane and David.
• 2:57:37
  However, they were very in tuned with each other. Now, David
• 2:57:46
  and Adriana both were on I forget what the word is called it cross country
• 2:57:52
  So they ran for no damn reason, and they traveled to Lubbock, Texas
• 2:58:00
  or an event. Well, they get back, David decides he needs to
• 2:58:05
  make Diane jealous, so he tells her that he pulled over on the side
• 2:58:11
  of the road and he cheated on her with Adriana because he wanted to get
• 2:58:18
  her jealous. Little did he know doing this was going to spend their lives
• 2:58:24
  out of control, because after she finished crying, screaming, telling him how
• 2:58:28
  much she hated him, she said, the only way for you to make
• 2:58:33
  this better is for us to kill her. Good God, that escalated quickly.
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  Yeah, so I said, it was like wam bam, thank you,
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  ma'am, and nobody wore protection. Basically is how it goes. So
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  Adriana went missing, case went cald, Diane went off to excuse me.
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  David went off to the Naval Academy, and Diane went off to the army.
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  They stayed together even though they were physically apart. However, Diana,
• 2:59:18
  because as I always say, nobody can keep a secret, especially not a
• 2:59:22
  female, or not the females that I know. I shouldn't generalize, but
• 2:59:26
  not the females I know. So she became friends with this guy and she
• 2:59:33
  started telling him her secret. And you might be saying, what is that
• 2:59:39
  secret? Wow? She no, not Victoria's secrets. Like my grandmother always
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  said. Mama used to tell me Victoria she got no secrets because she done
• 2:59:52
  show all of them. I was gonna say, Victoria doesn't have any doesn't
• 2:59:58
  have any secrets left. Ah shame yep. My mom all was with you.
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  She was like, do not buy your underwear from there. Everybody has
• 3:00:07
  seen them, and me being me, I was like, they haven't seen
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  them on me. Well, So, like I said, they were off
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  at their own places, but they remained together, but she told this male
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  friend about this, and then she told her roommates that she and David were
• 3:00:31
  responsible for murdering somebody. So those roommates were upstanding citizens. I mean,
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  you don't go into the military and want to be in the military to be
• 3:00:43
  a bad person, right, So they actually went and reported it to a
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  Navy chaplain and it was within a matter of days that this cold case was
• 3:00:58
  no longer cold because they alerted Texas and the detectives flew to Annapolis, where
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  Diane was attending the Naval Academy. See I have it backwards. They both
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  went to military just opposite places. Initially, she denied her confession, claiming
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  that she made it up. She was just trying to be tough and impress
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  her fellow cadets. But the police had no evidence on her, so they
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  had to continue their investigation. However, the academy suspended her and sent her
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  home. But instead of going home, she did what every crazy female does.
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  She flew to go to see David. Little did she know that the
• 3:01:56
  police were not far behind them because they were following her. So they banked
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  David on for question. I'm like, what were you thinking? You don't
• 3:02:09
  go to your counterpart. But okay. But David initially denied, denied,
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  denied. He goes, I don't know why she would make up them lies,
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  she'd be lying. Well, guess what, it was a softie.
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  It didn't take very long for him to break down and start singing, and
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  he gave a four and a half page front and back confession of what happened.
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  So I'm not going to read you the full confession. It's out there
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  if you want to see it. It is some bunny boiler stuff. But
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  David claimed that Diane had coerced him into killing Adriana due to his prior infidelity
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  with her. David stated that Dian threatened to leave him if he didn't comply,
• 3:03:03
  and declared no one could stand between me and Diane. I mean,
• 3:03:13
  guys, remember they had been together like a month and got engaged. Where
• 3:03:20
  else could this possibly have gone? Right? God? Yeah? So,
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  I mean he gave all of the gruesome details. Now it included that he
• 3:03:35
  went Adriana agreed to sneak out, so he went and picked her up.
• 3:03:41
  Little did she know, Diane was hiding in the hatchback with a dumb bell
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  great and while they were driving down the road, she pulls out a dumbbell
• 3:03:54
  and beat Adriana in the head, and Adriana tried to escape. She opened
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  the door and jumped out, and David said, he goes. I was
• 3:04:11
  shocked to see that the dumbbell didn't kill her. It wasn't anything like the
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  movie show. I thought we would hit her a couple of times and she'd
• 3:04:18
  be dead. And my thought there is it's just like DNA. You don't
• 3:04:24
  get DNA back in thirty minutes, people, it doesn't. But so Adriana
• 3:04:31
  jumped out. She got away, but she didn't get very far because it
• 3:04:37
  did a lot of damage hitting someone in the head repeatedly with a dumbbell.
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  But she tried. David jumped out of the car, got her, and
• 3:04:46
  he shut her twice in the head, and they dumped her body. Now,
• 3:04:54
  after they did this, they went to a friend's house. Mind you,
• 3:04:58
  this friend did not turn them in. But this friend let them in
• 3:05:03
  and let them shower and change clothes because they were covered in blood. Let
• 3:05:09
  me repeat, the friend did not call the cops. No, of course
• 3:05:16
  not so I at eighteen. I'm just gonna say, my bestie could have
• 3:05:26
  shown up covered in blood. If she was with her boyfriend and they told
• 3:05:31
  me what they did, I would have been calling the cops. Now,
• 3:05:33
  if she showed up and she killed her boyfriend because he beat her, I'd
• 3:05:37
  probably help her hide the body and then we would call the cops. But
• 3:05:41
  that's a totally different scenario, right, I mean, we're not there.
• 3:05:45
  But weren't there, but the friend asked no questions apparently, but they were
• 3:05:50
  both arrested in charge with murder. Now, Diane expressed callousness, and she
• 3:05:56
  stated that Adriana deserved her faith and that anyone who came between her and David
• 3:06:03
  had to die and deserve to die. Now, the motive behind Adriana's murder
• 3:06:13
  stemmed, of course, from jealousy, anger, and desire for revenge.
• 3:06:18
  And it was because David told Diane that he had this a fairy cheated with
• 3:06:24
  Adriana, and it triggered I'm sure feelings, eighteen year old girl, all
• 3:06:28
  of the feelings that you feel he wants somebody else. You weren't good enough,
• 3:06:35
  all of those things, right, and then they planned this careful killing.
• 3:06:41
  Well, here's the crazy thing. David lied, he did not cheat
• 3:06:48
  on her with Adriana, So it was a lie. His lie lost this
• 3:06:58
  sixteen year old girl her life. He could have at any point said I
• 3:07:05
  just made it up. I was just trying to get your attention. He
• 3:07:11
  never cheated. It came out. He did not even drive Adriana home from
• 3:07:16
  the track event. She rode home with somebody else. Thean didn't even question,
• 3:07:26
  why didn't you tell me then that you drove her. I mean,
• 3:07:28
  there's just so many things. I just I remember being eighteen, and I
• 3:07:33
  remember being crazy. Because I am a firm believer that females all have crazy
• 3:07:39
  times in their lives, when they're relationships, when you're younger, there's different
• 3:07:46
  levels. But you don't lie and say you cheated to get somebody jealous,
• 3:07:52
  and especially when the person says, Okay, now we gotta kill her.
• 3:07:56
  You gotta come clean, dude. So I'm just going to say that they
• 3:08:03
  were both found guilty, not going to go into all of the gory details.
• 3:08:09
  The one thing that shocked me about Diane. She told one reporter that
• 3:08:16
  the plan was in her mind. They were going to kill Adriana, and
• 3:08:20
  then she was going to have sex with David next to Adriana's body to prove
• 3:08:28
  that she was better and more deserving. God, that's so much up.
• 3:08:37
  Yeah. So needless to say, neither one of them saw their careers where
• 3:08:46
  they wanted to be. You know, David wanted to be a fighter pilot,
• 3:08:50
  hence while we're drinking the infamous goose. And Diane was smart as well,
• 3:08:58
  and she had a good career ahead of her except where they got into
• 3:09:01
  this crazy tangled thing. Interesting enough, David confessed. She did confess,
• 3:09:11
  but later retracts it and says she lied in her confession. David has shown
• 3:09:16
  remorse, has apologized to the family, and he says he is exactly where
• 3:09:20
  he should be. He goes, I deserve to be where I am.
• 3:09:28
  Diane not so much. She has filed all of these appills. She is
• 3:09:31
  now out of the pills. I just say appeals. Yeah, anyway,
• 3:09:37
  the interesting thing appeals. Diane was granted permission to marry Stephen Mora just in
• 3:09:45
  two thousand and three while incarceinated. She never met him. They were pinpals.
• 3:09:52
  He was incarcerated somewhere else. They got married by proxy. Her mom
• 3:09:58
  and a male friend of hers stood in for the couple to get married.
• 3:10:05
  Did anybody know this happened? Did you know that you could get married by
• 3:10:15
  proxy. I think I had heard of something like that, but the difficulties
• 3:10:22
  just you know why I never had Well, guess what. They got divorced
• 3:10:28
  in two thousand and eight. Thankfully he's in prison too, and she didn't
• 3:10:33
  have to kill anybody because they got divorced, and it wasn't because he cheated
• 3:10:37
  or he didn't lie about cheating. But she changed her story. And this
• 3:10:45
  is the thing that is so frustrating. This has been in recent times claiming
• 3:10:48
  she was only guilty of being an accessory and said she didn't do the actual
• 3:10:56
  killing, which she did not you know, David did. But she did
• 3:11:01
  hit her in the head, so she did have aggravated assault. She helped
• 3:11:07
  him plan it, she helped him cover it up. So she's a lot
• 3:11:13
  more involved than she wants to admit to now. David, like I said,
• 3:11:20
  he's expressed remorse. Now he also got married. Didn't find out if
• 3:11:26
  it was biproxy or anything. The interesting thing to me, he's gotten a
• 3:11:31
  bachelor's degree while in prison in criminology. I feel like that's a pretty common
• 3:11:37
  occurrence these days. And now he's doing seminary school because he wants to be
• 3:11:43
  a jail house pastor. Now. The only thing I can say, he's
• 3:11:50
  at least owned up to the mistake he made. I mean, he was
• 3:11:54
  eighteen. We've got to take in the account that at eighteen, your brain
• 3:12:00
  you're thinking it's not fully formed, you know. Trying to give a little
• 3:12:07
  bit of compassion, not saying he doesn't deserve. I do appreciate the fact
• 3:12:15
  that he agrees he's where he should be and he deserves the punishment he got.
• 3:12:18
  I at least admire the fact he's owning it and has told her family
• 3:12:26
  that much. Now. He also started a blog from prison called prison News
• 3:12:31
  Exposed and what he does. And I found this interesting. He writes letters
• 3:12:37
  to a third party who posted on his behalf because they do not have access
• 3:12:41
  to computers. Wow, And I found that, you know, was kind
• 3:12:48
  of interest in interest ins That didn't sound right now. One of Adriana's close
• 3:12:56
  friends, Jeff Lackey, found that interesting considering we're covering Chase Lackey case,
• 3:13:03
  but they're not related. But I just found that little Texas, I'm just
• 3:13:11
  I'm getting an a today. But he described that he visited the gruesome scene
• 3:13:16
  where her body was found right after she was found. He said the grass
• 3:13:22
  was soaked in a crimson color and you could see an outline of her body
• 3:13:26
  pressed into the grass. And he said that she was one of the nicest,
• 3:13:37
  kindest people, and you can ask her for anything and she would be
• 3:13:43
  there for you even if you didn't know her. A stranger could walk up,
• 3:13:48
  So she was one of those good people. Now, Adriana had a
• 3:13:54
  couple of brothers. One of them expressed his inability to hate David and I
• 3:14:01
  found this interesting. He stated. He goes, I can't hate him because
• 3:14:07
  he's an animal, and animals are ignorant, dumb, and blind. Now
• 3:14:16
  I just have to go on record and say I get what he's trying to
• 3:14:20
  say, but let's not say that about poor little animals. They're not ignorant,
• 3:14:26
  they're not dumb, they're not blind. Right, I mean, I
• 3:14:30
  get what he's trying to say that you know, it's an animal, you
• 3:14:33
  can't hate him. But the other brother said, he runs so many lives,
• 3:14:41
  so many families, and unlike my brother, I can hate an animal
• 3:14:45
  and I can hate David Graham. So interesting, you know, from opposite
• 3:14:54
  sides. But two brothers, so they are both in prison. They are
• 3:15:00
  eligible for parole when they are fifty eight years old. Now knowing it's Texas,
• 3:15:09
  I really don't imagine that they will be granted parole that quickly. I
• 3:15:22
  left out a lot of the gruesome details because I just couldn't after the more
• 3:15:28
  case we just did, so I skipped a lot of that. I and
• 3:15:35
  the reason this case interested in me is the fact that we, not we,
• 3:15:43
  but society. We always blame men, or a lot of times it's
• 3:15:48
  the men that are manipulating domestic violence and things. Diana was able to manipulate
• 3:15:56
  him, and she was good at it. And if he would have never
• 3:16:03
  started dating her, his life would have probably been a lot different. And
• 3:16:11
  yeah, for sure, he made a comment that his bad decision was killing
• 3:16:18
  Adriana, and I would like to say, your first bad decision was dating
• 3:16:22
  her. You know, I can tell you they are no longer in contact.
• 3:16:31
  Their love did not last, and she, of course says it was
• 3:16:37
  all him and she's innocent. So I suspect he will get out on parole
• 3:16:46
  before her because he's owned it. He's trying to better himself. I could
• 3:16:52
  not find anywhere that she has done anything like that. All she is doing
• 3:16:58
  is that they're screaming thing, I'm innocent. I didn't do it. I
• 3:17:03
  was bamboozled, YadA, YadA, YadA, And that is my case.
• 3:17:11
  And now it sounded like a man even more, but that is my case.
• 3:17:18
  I kept it short because I knew the Chase Lackey update was a little
• 3:17:24
  long. Yeah, tonight, But it's a good case. There's a lot
• 3:17:31
  of craziness. I will say it is a case. When the podcast is
• 3:17:37
  posted, you'll see all of the sources. She has flipped and flopped like
• 3:17:43
  a fish out of water with her stories. And I never thought I would
• 3:17:52
  say I admired a murderer, that I admire him for owning what he did
• 3:18:00
  wrong. Yep. I mean he was eighteen, she was eighteen. You
• 3:18:07
  know, they were both young, and you know they made some really bad
• 3:18:11
  decisions and they ruined their lives. But it shows that he does have a
• 3:18:18
  chance of maybe maybe being maybe accepted back into society. Maybe. So that's
• 3:18:37
  all like that, well as everybody in chat and you have probably seen I
• 3:18:43
  am struggle busting, I know, So let's shut this down. I will
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• 3:18:56
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