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#660 - Swerve Strickland on WWE Firing The New Day, AEW Success, Theme Song Lawsuit, Anarchy in the Arena & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Boutlet Cam podcast special guests didn't here my guy, Swerve Strickland.
• 0:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his favorite guest, favorite guests. I have to be
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: the most favorite wrestling guest you have.
• 0:11
  Speaker 3: For sure, you definitely have that. He's like, first of all,
• 0:16
  Speaker 3: you're out here in the studio, you were working with
• 0:18
  Speaker 3: Max b.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't. That was in New York.
• 0:21
  Speaker 3: Oh that was in New York.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was in New York.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: So what's what's First of all, I saw him yesterday.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: I saw him on stage at Versus and he was
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  Speaker 1: given the unk just got out of prison energy like
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: a motherfucker.
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  Speaker 3: He was looking at girls in the crowd, flicker and
• 0:35
  Speaker 3: his tongue and I was like, what is going on?
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't get to see. I just saw the clips
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: of it. I was on a flight during the whole thing.
• 0:41
  Speaker 3: How was that like getting in the studio with him for.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: Like, first of all, like I didn't even know he was,
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: Like I was in his radar like that. I got
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: kept getting tagged on Twitter when like he was doing
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: the interview from prison. Yeah, and he's like, I'm you know,
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: I'm swerving out here in the streets, man, Swerve Strickland.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like the hell's he know who I am? Right?
• 0:59
  Speaker 2: So like that kind of got popped and got everything
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: going on in social space. And then like as soon
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: as he's out, like that same interview started like swirling again.
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: And then so my girl Rosie was just like walking
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: through the airport. She was about to fly to Orlando,
• 1:15
  Speaker 2: and she's like, I think I see Max b over there.
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna say what's up? And I'm on
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  Speaker 2: FaceTime and she's just like, He's like, Yo, swerve, what's good? Yo?
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: When we gonna make something happen? Was I'm like, I'm
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: on you whenever your time, your time, And so he
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: was coming back from vacation. I got back from vacation.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: I was like, we blocked it out with our teams,
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: locked out a weekend to make it happen up in
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: New York. And sure enough he was. He was on
• 1:39
  Speaker 2: time too, punctual.
• 1:41
  Speaker 3: Was he was?
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  Speaker 2: He watching the show in jail? I believe, So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's the only way he could have you about. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but he was.
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: He was.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: He was tapped in. He's like like, I like the talkers, man,
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: I like the ship talkers. I love the people that talk.
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: They ship Man. Of course, y'all get down, y'all get
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: down in the ring over there. But I liked the
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: ship Talkers, so yeah, it was. It was awesome, like
• 2:03
  Speaker 2: great energy. We was in the studio all day, but
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: like he did like three hours, did.
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  Speaker 3: Two tracks with me fire. Yeah. Are you you're still independent?
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: Ye? You're running in yep, But I'm under I'm right now.
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: I'm working with principal group principal shout out Sean. Yeah, Sean,
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  Speaker 2: he's been. He was responsible for working on the project
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  Speaker 2: with Jay Z on American Gangster Album and stuff, so
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: we're working together with him. He's like very motivating and
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: very inspiring because like he's not gonna waste his time
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: on just anybody in the studio. He's like blocking out
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: days and hours of like studio time, and I'm like,
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: I'm there, I'm on time, working, I'm writing, I'm putting
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: stuff together, and i think we're doing really well together.
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: That's where the ray kwan uh stup setup came from,
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: because it's they're working with mass Appeal. Yeah. So Sean's
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: working with mass Appeal. Yeah and Boom all these partnerships
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff for the Mob Deep thing. The
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: day Lost Soul Records.
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: Does that like cause you're you're pretty new to rapping
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: still like six seven years. I'm saying like, if you
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: know you're getting on a song with Ray Kwan, do
• 3:13
  Speaker 1: you get like nervous?
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  Speaker 2: So I was talking about like like I wrote my
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: verse right in front of them and wrapped it. I
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: was I did. I laid all my vocals first, and
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: like from all the years of like me getting on
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: records with like Mickey FATX, John Connors and Benny the Butchers.
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: These are like lyrical bitters, you know, like that kind
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: of strengthened me and built my confidence to be able
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: to like all right, I'm ready to go boom right
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: and stuff you know, like like Benny like bun Bees
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: and west Side. You know, I got like really ready
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  Speaker 2: for these moments. So now when I'm in the studio
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  Speaker 2: like like oh yeah, I'm ready, I'm ready, Yeah, record,
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: What has been going on? You haven't been on TV recently?
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I just got back like two weeks ago. Okay,
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: like a couple it's like a couple of promo packages.
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: You took, you took some time off.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it was like it was like not long.
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like the a W heat is on.
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: It's it's it's hot right now.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 4:15
  Speaker 3: It is a great alternative product to the status quo
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: that has been less than appealing recently.
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: But it's it's interesting because like there's the pocket of
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: people that it doesn't that they're ripping into shreds. They're
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: like criticizing it every every which way. But then there's
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: like the large masses that still follow it religiously.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: My wife, I took my wife to the Crypto uh
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: PI review that you you wrestle?
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: Who'd you wrestled?
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: Again?
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah? And my wife she is not a wrestling fan.
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: She retarded.
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: Like she me and my kids be watching it on
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: Mondays and Wednesday.
• 4:53
  Speaker 3: Locked in and she's like, I don't what the fuck
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: are you guys watching?
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: She was in it.
• 4:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, believe some of the ship that was
• 5:03
  Speaker 4: happening this this shows I love, especially pay per view
• 5:08
  Speaker 4: times TV's too, But.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: But I feel like he shows, like the Dynamite shows
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: be like little mini pay per views.
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like but like pay per views, I like
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: not knowing anything. I love being feeling like that, like
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is happening? I love especially when Darby's
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: on the card. Oh shit, okay, you don't Yeah, you
• 5:28
  Speaker 2: don't know what you're gonna get. There's certain guys that
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: you like Moxley, you don't know what you're gonna get
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: with a Moxley match. Ospra you don't know how elevated
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: he's going to take a match, you know, or Tequshta's
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: and Kyle Fletcher. I'm like, all right, you know Kyle's
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: has such a structure now you know, like, oh, they're
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: just warming up. You know it's about to start going now.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: You added Champa to the mix with these guys. He's
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: a madman in himself. All So, like, I love not knowing.
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: So when I watch the show and I'm like, no,
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: don't tell me nothing, I don't want to watch.
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: So if you're not a part of what's going on.
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: I still want to watch.
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to know what's happening.
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I still don't want to know. But yeah, like, uh,
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: it's it's definitely giving different flavors of many different ice creams,
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: many different Like it's not even like different ice cream
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: You're you're getting different ice cream shops. You're getting this
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: is Ben and Jerry's different This is like basking robins,
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: This is like dairy queen. You're getting is so now
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: like what you're getting from both wrestling. Actually, I wouldn't
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: say both. I say alla and there. I'll throw TNA
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: in there, I'll throw MLW in there. You're getting like
• 6:40
  Speaker 2: like some you're getting gelato. Now you're getting like like
• 6:45
  Speaker 2: you're getting so much like you're doting Ben and Jerry's.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: You're getting all these different things. So it's not a
• 6:50
  Speaker 2: sub of a sub of I saw.
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: I saw the meltzer dude describe it pretty accurately. He
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: was like, both of these things are totally different. They're
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: both wrestling, but they're totally separate and you can enjoy
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: both of them for their own reasons.
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's really unfair to not only just like
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: the wrestling landscape, it's unfair to yourself to go out
• 7:16
  Speaker 2: on the internet and criticize one product and when you're
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: in your criticisms, you're bringing in another product in comparing
• 7:24
  Speaker 2: it to I'm like, you know you can't do that.
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: You can't compare them.
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: Your criticisms are now Nolan void because now you're basing
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: it off of something else. You can't compare like the
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: ninety six Bulls to the Golden State Warriors of twenty fifteen.
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: You can't do it. Stop, it's already done. You can't
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: do it, so that already takes you out of the
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: fan base. Is like, I can like the Warriors for
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: being the Warriors. I can like the Bulls for being
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: the Bulls, but you can't, like.
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: If you're a basketball fan, you could have appreciated the
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: Showtime Lakers and the Bad Boy Pistons for different reasons.
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: For very different region.
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: I they're both playing.
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care what's better. I know
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: they both won, and they both won in THEIRS in
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: their respective ways and their respective eras and the respective
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: styles of the game. And right now AW and ww
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: are both winning in their respective ways and the respective
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: styles and the respective eras and genres of the way
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: they do it.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like, because you know what what kind
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: of sucks is there's this TNA WWE thing going that which.
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: I don't really have much information or anything I was
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: going to say was.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: Like it felt like the AW like hard launch was
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: pretty combative towards WWE, and I feel like it kind
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: of has removed any possibility from like there ever being
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: any sort of you know, just like a some sort
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: of you know, I think about like there's got to
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: be some sort of storyline in the future with in
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: Roman where we're like, fuck, John Moxley should pop out,
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: you know, but it's not possible.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: It's not possible, you.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: Know, and so and like I even saw like I'm
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: sure you know obviously, you know, but for people who
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: don't know, there was the shows many a weekend. Oh yeah,
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: and there were TNA and AW Talent that were booked,
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: and TNA yanked their talent away from those matches.
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: That were with AW Talent.
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: So even before that, I was like, how's this going
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: to work? And I was like, I was talking to Rickyche,
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: I was like, are both parties Like.
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: Does everybody know what's going on?
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Like I was, I was. I was like yeah,
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: I was just confirming, like everybody cool on this. I
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: was like, as far as I know, we're good. And
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: I was like all right, And then the Ziggler one,
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: the Memath one came up. I was like like for
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: the fan base, great, for the wrestling, awesome. I just
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: don't know backstage, the politics, I don't know. Yeah, the
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: management side of these things. I don't know how far
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: that's going to get pushed all the way up the
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: chain till some body comes down. And that's why card
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: subject to change is always on these flyers, because you
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: don't know how far it is going to go until
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: somebody just comes down and just like nah, noa no. Like.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: So I don't like it's unfortunate, but that's just the
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: reality of what was going to happen.
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: It's just you're as big as you've been in over
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: ten years.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you don't want to jeopardize that.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that symbiotic relationship with like, you know, Trick Williams
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: holding the TNA title did so much.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: For TNA, Yes, sir, and it did. It did good
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: for Trick on und you don't know how a guy
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: is going to be in the main event if you've
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: never seen him in the main event's scenarios, you know,
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: And so it was good to put like Trick in
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: that situation to look feel have the responsibility of being
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: a main event guy in performing like a main event
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: like and ring competitor. So like, I think that helped
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: TNA's perception, and that was doing the same thing with
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: Mike Santana right now, Mike's shot out. Mike Santana's incredible,
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: Like they're putting them out there to be perceived and
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: like pushed, and now we see Mike differently now, Like
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: the wrestling industry is all manipulative. All of this is
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: we got to manipulate the audience to believe what we're
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: trying to present to them and promote to them. So
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: that's what this is. So it's like, yes, like this
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  Speaker 1: Whatever it is, it feels like outside of you know,
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: we'll touch on Kofe and Xavier getting read in a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, but in terms of black wrestlers being at
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: the forefront, of Oh yeah, the business period.
• 13:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this I feel like is like a special
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  Speaker 3: golden era.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And what I love, nobody's like the other.
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  Speaker 2: They're all different, different. Everybody is their own entity, their
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  Speaker 2: own genre. Nobody's following the same stereotype as the other.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: You get. That's the ice cream flavors. You're getting two,
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: You're getting blends of different guys and like, and I'm
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: just happy and fortunately to be like maybe maybe like responsible,
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: not responsible, but like I have an integration of like
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: maybe two of those guys, like a Carmelo because I
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  Speaker 2: was the first I dropped the North American title to
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  Speaker 2: Carmelo Hayes, you know. And then Kevin Night.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's so good.
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  Speaker 2: Man, he's all like and like I said, like his
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  Speaker 2: first real like singles main event was with me and Dynamite,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: you know, this year. So he just now he's.
• 14:13
  Speaker 3: Wednesday Night, right, Yeah, I just want Derby.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So now like he's now you see the perception
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: of Malodef differently. Now we know, oh that's the main event,
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: or we can put him in the main events, and
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: that's how it starts.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Now I feel like he's the kind of guy too
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: that like if you don't know anything about wrestling, and
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: you just turn him on, you'd be like, yo, what this.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Guy's just watch him.
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: This guy's crazy's incredible.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Just watch him. And he's stylishly.
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: Tn T yeah tn T title Yeah, he's.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Stylishly smooth too, like like Javon's different from like Kevin
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: in a sense too of like he's the young yan
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: energy like he's like it's cools, like people are mistaken, like, oh,
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: smile to just happy like.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah he's twenty one.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a woe to be happy. That's the
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: kind of energy you want to see from a young
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: twenty one year old, like athletic kid living out his dream.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: Because he's living out his dream vicariously through other twenty
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: year olds, twenty one year olds. That's like, man, he's
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: doing all this at twenty one. It maybe it inspires
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: the next twenty one year old or the next seventeen
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: eighteen year old to be like I want to like
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: I want to be like that because it's like remember
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: bow Wow when he was hot at thirteen.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean when I interviewed him, I was like, dude,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: So when he's like I got into wrestling school at
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: thirteen yeah, that's yeh.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: But but like bow Wow was like on top of
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: the rap game at thirteen, fourteen fifteen, Yeah, that made
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: other fifteen year old kids want to start rapping at
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: twelve and thirteen stuff. So it's the same type of
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: effect I see with Javan. You know, Oba like showing
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: peak like strength and like power like cool running. I
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: see power, I see pride, I see a bad mother.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: That's Oba. Like.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I think they got to fast forward the OPA thing.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think they got to overthink it. I think
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I think he is ready to be.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: I met Oba at the gym and I said, if
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: I had the pen, your debut would be winning that belt.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I was close because his debut was against Cody for
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: the belt. And he was like, how did you do this? Man?
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just call the house, see it's you, bro.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Bro, I just think whatever this. I think the Open
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: Challenge ship is cool. But I'm like, bro, he just
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: needs to show up.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: We want to see him. We want to see him. Big.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Perception is everything. May put him in the main events.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Perception is everything. People will buy it, but you got
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: they got to see it. The same with Broun and
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: not even just Black wrestlers see the same as Broun Breaker,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: like perception is everything. Put him in the main events.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: People will buy into it. The more you do it,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: they'll perceive it and they'll.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, if you book
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: somebody as.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Help or That's why I think it was probably like
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: a gift in a gift low key that like Seth
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: got hurt because it kind of sped up like yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's like if if you know someone's
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: got it, like, don't overthink it, because then the fans
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: get stale on them. That's why I thought that what
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: they did with Trick was super smart. I'm like, they
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: did Trick and O, but I feel like I wish they.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Would have did the same thing with Mellow immediately, because
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: when Mellow came over, if they would have just pushed
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: him in, it's like the fans already familiar with this guy.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: He checks out like yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: be tricky. Like Shawn Michaels was he just did the
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: interview or whatever it was. I just re reading it
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: his prompts or whatever he was saying, like he said
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: the same thing to me. He's like, guys, like us.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: He said the same thing to Mellow in his interview.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: He was like, it's like, we gotta work a little
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: harder to.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Get to he said, because the best doesn't always finish
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: number one.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: To finish one, Yeah, we're the ones that were too
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: talented to We'll always succeeded, but we got to take
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: the long road. And I'm like, that's my career, real ship. Yeah,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: it's like Mellow is going to be that guy that's like, Okay,
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: everybody's getting there now, He's gonna have to come around
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: later on and then meet those guys Boom.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I want to know you've you did a pretty good
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: job of incorporating celebrity stuff into your stuff at aw Yeah,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Ross and bow Wow stuff too, right, I.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Never did it was that's right, that's right, that's right.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: But I remember Rick Ross came out with you. What
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: are your thoughts on like just the celebrity involvement and
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: how do you because this isn't I always tell people
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: like celebrities being involved in wrestling is not new, it's
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: just it's kind of how it got into like pop culture.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Mister t you know, Oh, but I wonder like your
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: thoughts on like finding the balance walking the rope, the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: tight rope where you're like, you know, before it becomes
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: too much and so so it has to be organic
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: one uh like And and I'll say another thing. It
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: has to has to go both ways too. If we
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: invent you into our world, we get you got to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: invite us into ours. Like like when Bad Bunny came over,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: he had Damian Priest going to the Latin Music Awards
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: presenting with him and stuff like that. I was like, Okay, cool,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: that's a great trade. So now it's swing the pendulum,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: swing in both ways, you know. So it has to
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: That's how it feels organic. It's like, oh, we're not
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: just like doing this for media appearances and stuff like that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: It has to feel right. And it's also about the fans.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: If they connect to it, they'll tell you when they
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: don't like something. I'll saying this before, I was like,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: it's like babies crying. They're like crying, Like, eh, wow,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: why are they crying? You got to figure out why
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: is it crying? Why is it complaining? And you figure
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: out the elements. I'm like, oh, it's not crying. Okay,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: it needed a hug, all right, Okay, it needed is
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: diaper change. All right, it needs fed. But if like
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: it's still crying, all right, it's not that wasn't it.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: That wasn't the remedy. So you got to keep figuring
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: out those things. And it's just feeling what the like,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: like the fans took to YACHTI.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because he wasn't doing too much. He did a
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: great job.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Fans took to YACHTI. So like, okay, that's stuck. That
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: that's the remedy. Now I think like.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Initially last year, like the fans they took to the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Jelly Roll thing.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like last year, that was the right amount of Yeah,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: they gave you right amounts of it, right, you know
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's a remedy. But now now
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the baby's starting to cry again, and you know, but
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: it's not crying with though. Yeah. Pretty im pretty I'm.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Pretty comfortable in saying this because I think jelly wanted
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: his story because you let me know, because I'm really
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: close to Jelly Roll. Yeah uh, And like what was this?
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: He was very self aware of.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: He he that that that he was being pushed into
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: a storyline that he probably didn't need to be pushed into,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and he was pushing him. He was being very vocal
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: about wanting to be involved in a storyline that is
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: still playing out currently. Uh, that was more comedic, and
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: he was like, guys, if you put me into this thing,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I promise you it's gonna cook.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: It's gonna fuck.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And I was there at SmackDown in Phoenix and I
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: heard him having these convos with certain people at WWE
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and they still decided to And like, if you're him,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: You're like, hey, man, if you're gonna push me into
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the main event at WrestleMania, I'm not gonna say no,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: but I don't think people are gonna.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: And then to me, it wasn't even him so much
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: that like the McAfee thing was like it was just weird.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: It just made no sense.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: You had the guy like Randy on the phone talk
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: about it more than one family and w and I'm like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: is it gonna be Teddybiassi Junior.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I just didn't get the McAfee thing.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I think the McAfee thing kind of blew up the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: narrative of like the celebrity shit being too much because
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the McAfee thing was like, Bro, Randy and Cody haven't
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: even cut a promo on each other yet I know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and that first night at SmackDown when he when he
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: flipped and beat the shit out of Cody.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I was there front row and Jelly got involved and
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: like because he was in the building, it was they
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: caught the ark, right, you know, he didn't.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Catch Rko then, but but that the fans were in.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's how you create a main event. You
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: turn Randy heel and he's got blood on the title.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't it wasn't difficult, it wasn't too crazy,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: it wasn't too over like it's the it's.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: The you don't have to reinvent the wheel. It's almost
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: like the punk Roman thing was just old school. There
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: was no antics involved and it was just.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: The family, just the families that motherfuckers just talked ship
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: about and then guess what that Guess how it ended.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: They wrestled all time all time Wrestlmania match. I think
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's the top five for sure. Top five.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that shi it was.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I want to that's what we're like, Like you could
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: tell like Punk worked hard. No, he got himself in
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: hard for that, like to prepare for it and then
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: to perform. He worked hard and That's where I feel like,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: that's why it's like like Roman's Roman was going to
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: be Yeah, he's an alien, but like I feel like
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Punk worked hard for that and that's why I got
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the reception did Yeah, And like I feel like just
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the storytelling where like he tried to hit him with
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: one more GTS and you know, he got called old
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: and he fell.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Out, and I was like, oh, this is the best
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: it gets. You are friends with Kofi and Xavier.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of obviously for people who don't
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: know that, there's a lot of cuts from WWE. They
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: were the I would say the headline of the cuts, well,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I guess they decided.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't even call them a cut. They were like.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah when they got hit with whatever the new stipulations
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: where they're like, we'd rather.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Just go yeah they know, which I'm honestly happy because
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that that still shows how their value they They they
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: could say no and they still can walk out like
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, They're not leaving like looking.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Like not you know no, I mean look, one of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the greatest tag teams of all time. New Day is
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: one of the best factions ever. There's a lot of speculation.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: A lot of fans want to see them end up
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: in AW.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a lot of rustlers. I want to
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: see them in AW.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Have you had any conversations with them since.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I talked to him the same day, you know, like
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Covie took like another day to get back to me.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: But like they're in the high spirits, They're motivated, they're happy.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I feel like they have the ball in their court,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: which is what they always wanted. They have their ball
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: in the court, and they honestly feel like they can
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: control their own narrative. And Xavier's really good at that. Yes,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Xavier is really good at controlling the narrative. Kofe is
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: walking free agent the first time in his whole career.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been there, I think eights.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Eighteen years first time in his whole career, which he
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: was a he was a Hall of Famer like five
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: years five six years ago, five six years ago. He
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: was a Hall of Famer then. And then add the
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: world title match on top of that. He's the he's
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: the only black wrestler to ever win the world title
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: at Mania. He's the only one that's something that he
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: can't take that you can't take away from him. You can't.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: You can't. Never had any negative press on him, never
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: had any issues, never any like suspensions, never finds, never
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: any of this. So he's walking out a role model
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to a whole generation of kids. There's like I was
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: saying this before, like there's an archetype around Kofe. Oh
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: that's the koffee spot, that's the you get to do
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: the kofee moment in Mania, the koffee rumble spot in
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: the in money in the bank that you get the koffee.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: There's an archetype all these crazy spots, every whatever.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Like it was almost like you were waiting, like all right,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: how's he going to not get eliminated this year?
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Like I said, he inspired me to try to like
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: not recreate but had like like his koffee with something.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: It's like, man, I would I would hope in my
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: care I can do something close to something similar like
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: that and that like I was able to win the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: world title, you know, a dynasty in twenty twenty four.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: But it's like, man, I feel like this some of
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: this has to go to Kofe because it's like once
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: again manipulation, seeing is believing this doesn't is impossible unless
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: you see Kofe doing this first for the world to
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: see that it is possible, you know.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I saw it's influence some tweets going around that we're saying,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: obviously there's a lot of great black wrestlers all time,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: but that he's the greatest black wrestler ever.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: It's a it's argument to be had.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's, you know, obviously that Mark Henry
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: got him. There's you know, but he's like you said,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and I think like too, Like I don't know, man,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's like like, every once in
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: a while you'll see some shit get over with the
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: fans like that, like the way the New Days. It's
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like Dan Housen's like New Day right now.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the bootyos D Cereal Cereal. They were in Gears
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: of War the video game. They were like some of
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: the best en Ring World champions out of that faction.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: I feel like they were doing.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Like the way they do the theme the themes with
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: their costumes is like kind of like what you do,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Like we will come out and.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: You'll be like, oh, this is a twer the Creator
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: theme or the Predator, Yeah whatever.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I was just saying that I was like, yeah, they
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: made it okay to be yourself. Yeah, they're like, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: take who you are, Like they say the black nerd like,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: uh fandom, that's a real subculture in anime and all
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that stuff, and like, you know, so they're the ones
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that like put that out there, like no, we like pancakes,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: we like freaking dragon ball Z, we like a street fighter.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: We dressed like this, we like this. I'm like, yeah,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that's cool. I like that. I feel cool to express
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: myself like that too. And he was showing like our culture,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: that's okay, that's a good thing.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Then versus the young bucks would go crazy. Man, we
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: go crazy.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Let me say, I already got that conversation started. I
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: already got that crazy that I'm like. And then it'll
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: be like, first like, this is the two greatest tag
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: teams of of a generation. Yeah, I think you got
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you gotta just you gotta respect, you gotta respect the
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Husso's in there too, Husso's Hussos. I feel like usso's
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: are more catered towards FTR.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I've always felt like that.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I just feel like they carried the division for a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: chunk of a time and they've always something. I mean,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: they're still both relevant and obviously you go into this
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: solo stuff, but I definitely think there's like those three
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: or four in the last.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: You know, but the new day, I feel like they
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they were. Man, that'll be crazy though, So I want
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: to talk to you, Uh, what are your thoughts.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: On aw potentially not having a TV deal and going
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to YouTube because I saw that headline that when he said, hey,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: we might have YouTube as the backup plan.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your thoughts on? I feel like like
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: having this discussion four years ago maybe would have concerned
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: me a little bit more. But after t N T
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: TBS and.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: A triple a's on YouTube.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. And but like after the success of
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: like HBO Max and everything like that, No.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: It made dude, HBO Max made it possible for me
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to watch every week exactly.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: After all these things, all the like the levels that
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: we keep jumping and all that stuff, I wouldn't be concerned.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: I feel like Tony's made such great connections with all
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the higher ups. I feel like we've gotten incredible praise
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: and support with like wbd DC and all these things
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: that there is a market for all the wrestling and
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: professional wrestling under the Paramount brand, you know when that
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: happens and stuff. So I feel like TK is very
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: three steps ahead on that, and I like those were
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: one of those things that you just gotta trust. Like
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: what we do like this is we gotta trust like
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: who we are, we gotta trust where TKO's mindset for this,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: like that has grown exponentially in the last seven months,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: seven years of doing this. The reputation that precedes us
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and all of EA wrestling and it's all about what
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: the fans want is I feel like this is something
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: about the fans can really be the support system behind that,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: and the more vocal they are and the more like
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: they come to these shows and the more like that's
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: what drives these TV deals to like really like, okay,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: this is a slam dunk now. So and it's like
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I saw a report like a twelve to sixteen months out.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's a that's a long time.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: No pulled some shit in like three months.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they were speculating that like TKO's relationship
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: with Paramount and obviously there's all this like everyone's getting
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: consolidated by the Ellison.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. I just I just wonder, like.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I've heard that he's has a solid like t k
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: has a solid relationship with Elison.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Do you feel like.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Tony Khan's pettiness has hurt him at all? Because I
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: was at the store, the only NFL team that didn't
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: have a belt.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Was the Jaguars. Petty motherfucker?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Has it hurt him? M M? I don't think so, because,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: like I think there was things that like that were
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: being said on TV years ago that were way worse,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: way more I would say if we would have said
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: that in the position where are now way more damaging.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: For sure, Yeah, but also there's these things that people
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: don't forget. And but to say he's like the pettiness
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: has hurt him, I don't believe so. I don't believe so,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: because there's always going to be a need for someone
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: like a Tony conn in disposition that's always going to
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: be like that's always there's always going to be a
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: need for that. We don't know the people, the deep
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: people that are behind Ellison that Tony's like those You
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: don't know how deep these relationships really go. That's a
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: circle of money that like that that goes beyond Twitter
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: discussion that goes beyond like a newspaper ad that goes
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: beyond like even talking on CNN, Like you don't know
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: like how deep these relationships can go back, because there's
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: always something that Tony can offer, something that can just
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: like hm, hm, you know what, whatever issues or pettiness
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: we've had before, we can be in that. That doesn't matter.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: We can continue business with this.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I wanted to ask because I was, uh, you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes we'll see people get booked in
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: ways that have long term ramifications and and and one
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: of the examples I can think of is I'm watching
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: this Adam Hangman Page m jf Uh yeah, I don't
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: know about that in l A and uh, what do
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: you'all call it?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Texas Deathmatch? Yeah, I mean it is. It was crazy.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: It was a man, it was wild.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: But the stipulation was that Hangman Page can no longer
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: pursue the belt ever. Again.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: It helps me out, But I'm just wondering, like, Hangman
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Page is one of the faces of the company, and
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: does that kind of like hinder one of the biggest
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: faces of the company.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Theoretically, Yeah, because now you can never be in the
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: title is the same thing that happened with Cody, so
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: keeps that kind of like lore alive in the aw
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: zeitgeist of this whole thing that's happened in the day.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's honestly what makes Hangman's story that much more.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You have to pay more attention to you know what
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I mean. It's now It's not just like because I'll
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: say this wrestling fans, we got to decide what we're
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: valuing more when we're watching characters or stories or matches.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Are we valuing booking more? Are we valuing story? So
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: what I mean by that is sometimes to tell a
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: great story, you have to sacrifice good booking to tell
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: a great story to pay off later on. That's like,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: that's that would be like if you're watching a movie like, oh,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the hero always saves the girl, Well the girl dies
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: thirty minutes in what what That's not good writing? That's
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: not good writing. I'm like, well, the story's not finished.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: So if you sacrifice that and then the story plays
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: out in the end the way the story was properly
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: supposed to be written, and you get a great finish,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: or it doesn't. Even nowadays, I wouldn't even say movies.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I would say series is Now because now characters are
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: coming back season three or season four for sure in
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: series is Now, and so that character comes back season
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: four whatever. That finishes the story. So you got to
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: sacrifice sometimes good booking or good structurally writing like cinema
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and stuff to tell the good story. And fans are
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: clashing with that. That's like the same thing of like
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: what's more important? Promos are wrestling? Well, you need both,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: you need both, you need both, but sometimes you gotta
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: sacrifice a good match to tell a good have a
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: good promo. Sometimes you got to go the other way around. Yeah,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: So right now we're sacrificing booking for the long term
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: story of Hangman page and how that being written? I
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: don't know. How would I do it? I don't know
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: because it's not my story. How would how?
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: How?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Like would you? What is it smart to do this? Well?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Probably not theoretically, no, Like structurally it's no. I wouldn't
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: do it. That's dumb. We've seen that happen before and
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: it wouldn't work out. But once again, this isn't our story.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: So like you have to sacrifice good bookings sometimes to
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: ultimately finish out the good story and character art for
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: certain characters. Sometimes it's an exception. There's an exception to
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: the rule. This might Hangman Page so many times has
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: been the exception to the rule in AW countless times,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: especially with like dark Order and lower and like being
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the cowboy in the stadium stampede and the drinking and
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: then me and him like.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Drinking blood off your face.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Exception to the rule. You know, He's like I got
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: cheered for entering his house where the exception and burning
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: my house down. There's exceptions hang in Page throughout all
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: of AW history has always been an exception to the rule.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: And so I feel like, coming on on the other
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: side of that, he's gonna still be that exception to
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the rule. Me and him being a tag team was
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the exception to the rule of how structurally booking heels
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and babyfaces are supposed to go. But we I play
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: into a lot of exceptions to the rule in a
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: lot of ways too.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Do you enjoy because I feel like you're kind of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: always a tweener in terms of whether you're a or
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: a bad guy, Like you very much like walk the line,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you know, But do you which side of the coin
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: do you enjoy being on?
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: More? Being a heel or being a babyface.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Whatever tells the best story.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: But like you, you gotta kind of like there's not like.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Okay to me. I don't have that side. I have motive.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I have motive that takes me where I go, and
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: my motive tells you what I'm about, and you'll feel
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that like me and Kenny was, guess what my motive is.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: You're a bad guy?
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like that I should have cooked
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: longer though Nay.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's one thing about aw.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: They be getting in and out of shit too quick,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: so I'd be like, wait a minute, this is like
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: a two week thing.
• 38:17
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  Speaker 1: You were saying that if you aren't a part of
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the show, you're just watching it as a fan, you
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: don't want to know what's going on. Yeah, so you
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: see MJF drop his belt to Darby Allen. This was
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: the talk of the business. Everybody was like, what the fuck.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: MJF is on a run.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Aw, he feels like it's so hot and he's you
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: know the guy.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: What is your reaction, just because I'm sure you don't
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: feel like that, you know that was happening.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: No, No, I feel like there could have been more
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: done for Darby for that moment.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Me personally, Yeah, Like it was almost so out of
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: nowhere that like it was like it didn't I mean,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: I think they do.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I feel here's the thing. I feel like it anchored
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Darby a little bit too much because we're also watching
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: MJF go forty six minutes and the Texas Deathmatch. We're
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: also watching him go thirty eight minutes with Kenny Omega.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not saying Darby's not qualified to
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: compete with that, but you got to make Darby qualified
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: to compete like that, And I feel like they didn't
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: do him a favor with that. But Darby is so
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: talented that now his run is making.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Up for it. It's been great.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's so talented.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: He's like dangling the carrot and like the new thing
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: is like you're gonna have to shave your head.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't think people care about his hair
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: like that, but whatever, but it's once again, it's I
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: think Darby is just so undeniably talented. He can make
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: everything feel more important, like he like he just had
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: he just killed it with Kevin Knight and I was
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: about to go this Saturday, I guess pack which is
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: in Wednesday, possibly against Okada. So like who's set in
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: his their schedules up to go like that on TV.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: He's that he's just so undeniably talented that you can't like,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: you can't like it's undeniable.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: You take crazy bumps all the time in your matches.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Not all the time, but a lot of times. You
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: take some crazy ship. That dude does it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Every time every time. Yeah, my car, my card is
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: way more stamped, like because of the longevity of it,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Like I took scaffold bumps and falls and stuff, you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: back in CZW. You know. But Darby he always feels
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: like he had a he had he had a real
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: good realization. And I was like, I didn't think about
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: but only in the Darby's type way. Would you ever
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: think about this? All these guys are going to do
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: all this crazy ship on the pay per views. I
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: gotta get this ship out on TV.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: So I was like on Wednesday, Yeah, you know what,
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: You're right right.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: So still it gets to this pay per views where
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: all the crazy shit is really going to happen all night.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: He's going to get it every week. So I'm like, Okay,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: what are.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Your thoughts Because you have a guy like Dan Housen
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: who was at AW and didn't wrestle.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think he ever wrestled at AW.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: I think he's had a Battle Royal and he had
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: another match or something.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Like that to see him go to and he's been
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: killing I remember I first met him when we were
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: at Comic Con.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was, he was signing. I think I met him.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I was with you, Yeah, I think so, because he
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: had I never really had a relationship with him. I
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: didn't really like, I didn't have any ill will I
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: guess him or anything like that. But it's just never
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: we never really clicked.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Like I wonder what your thoughts is.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Just seeing somebody who is like an indies guy, indie
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: guy who's kind of created this thing and it's been
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a thing, and it's it's working at a level that
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: like I don't think anybody saw him.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I just don't like it's it's so happy for him.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I just don't want them to burn him out so
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: quick before the year is over.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they are doing that.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm like, no, you got to cherish
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: this whole lot of Dan House. Yeah, it's a lot
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and both shows. Yeah, So like he's busy. He is busy,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: he's moving, he's at the he's at the headquarters, he's
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: at Missus House, he's a SmackDown, he's with stephen A. Smith.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, there's a lot of Dan housing, and congrats
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to him. You shouldn't say no to all those opportunities.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Take them. But man, I want to see these opportunities
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: still happening in five years, three years, next year. I
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: want to see these opportunities still happening for you in growing,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: you know. I like I want him to be a
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: meme that you can pop in on, like you know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: like he's already happening, but like, no, he's a mean Yeah,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: he's always been one, but like but it's it's like
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: now it's a different level. I want to I want
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I want to like cherish that rather than just be
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: like a flash. And he owns all his trademarks smart man,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: which is awesome, but like he found he found the
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: flavor of ice crea that it works with the fans
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: are consuming very well. When the best wrestling experience I've
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: ever had was watching the anarchy in the Arena last Yeah,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that was that was a concert of the concert match,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: one of the craziest.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is the craziest wrestling event. I mean
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: it was that and then WrestleMania forty Uh, you know
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the Avengers end.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: After us you got hang Man and well.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: But but I don't think you understand Anarchon and the Arena.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch I never saw it on TV, but
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I was.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: In the building.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you guys are getting ready to do that match,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: because the amount of craziness and like insane on point
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: spots people were hitting simultaneously all over the place. Yeah,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: while Drowning Pool is playing. I mean, because how how
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: how much of that to you guys? Like obviously everybody
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: has to go over their matches beforehand. Do you guys
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: meet up and figure out like what's that meeting with prior.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like you walk around the arena and say,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: who I like, I like this?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So honestly, we only had one meeting that
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: was the night before and while the rain is empty,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: and like we're just kind of like painting the picture.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: First off, the bucks they hate. The year before that
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: was like twenty four. Yeah, that was in Vegas where
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Darby sent wasn't name of fire, so they said putting
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: that together was a nightmare. And it's West Coast time,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: so you got like this kind of window for the people.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: They start put letting people in the doors, so you
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: can't really like, let me go see I think camp
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: doors are open, fans are here. I'm like, so now
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: you gotta wing it. So hopefully what you had you
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: thought of is still there. If it's not, I don't
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: know what you do. So they like Matt was like,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I promise I'll never do one of these again. I'll
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: never do one of these matches again. And then when
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: we started our story and everything, we started getting there
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and we started getting closer to it. We saw all
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: the elements we had at play as far as like
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: people in the match, it was like, I think we
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: could do something cool. Here we have a chance, like
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: especially adding and Willow and Marina to really switch up
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the dynamics. I'm like, oh, we can have some real fun.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Then Kenny got involved in Moxley and Joe. Then you
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: had Hobbs coming in like you had. I'm like, we
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: got a lot of great like elements, and then Shabata.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: It was so we had so many real cool like
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: because it was just like spots, we had characters to
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: really play with and like, we have a lot of
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: characters and mixed stories we can really mix up and
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: have fun with. And I think that's where like, that's
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: honestly where I felt like the shift in a w
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: we got that momentum back. It was after that match
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: because everybody was so unselfish. Everybody's like Moxley I was
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: like hey Max, can you take Staples, Like yeah yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: From Marina, I was like okay, cool, And I was
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: like Matt was like, hey, Willa pick me up for
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: the tombstone. We'll do the thing. And then like Claul,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: he was like yeah, get me on this. Joe's like yeah,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I'll take this. Kenny was like yeah, I'll take this
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: dump into the table.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: And your idea to take the staple in your tongue.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: That's how you pay off in the spot.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, does it hurt because you kept it in for
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: a while. It's on stage and the tongue it was
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: still in there.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: So it's I.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Don't, I don't think about it, just do it so
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: before I forget and think that I don't want to do.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Still, and then you had, you had all the fun
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: you had yours come out when you disappeared, when you
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: disappeared and came back with the fork lin and you
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: jumped down like the dark Knight.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah dog, oh my god, that's what I'm saying. It's
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: like then like Willow got her ear keep pad locked
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: into a chain on the steps, so the cramp crowds
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: were chating, please help Willow, Please help Willow. So it's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: like we had so many elements and ideas to play with.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: It became fun. And then everybody was so unselfish. Nobody
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: felt like I don't I'll look stupid or I'm too
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: like a character, like oh, that's gonna kill my. Everybody
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: was like, let's just go, and we all were laughing,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: putting it together. We were cracking jokes. Moxley was so
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: loose and just having fun, like there's the Moxley we love.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: There's like it's like everybody was like, we're back to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: our friends and brothers. And the girls weren't nervous. They
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: were like ready. They were actually like cause when you
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: put the intergender sometimes like it can be nerve wrecking
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people. They were like, yeah, I'm ready,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: let's have fun. Marina looked like a g Willow and
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: Hobbs stepped up like crazy. You know. Everybody was just
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: proud of everybody else else's performance, you know, and like
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: me getting the pen at the end, I'm like, look
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: at all these main inventors like Kenny and all this stuff,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: and then like get the pine, you know, and which
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: led to all.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: In did you guys get back on the other side
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of the curtain and just everybody be like, wow, did
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it feel it was?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: We felt like we were like we did because like
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: when all these pieces is all these camera cuts, so
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: you got to make sure so and so fall through
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: table to get ready for Willow to come out do
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: this and so good. Yeah, and then like Claudia and
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Samoa Joe go all the way out of the building
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: to the front like like fountain and then Shabata and
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Uda are like in the back and he's putting a
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: barberire thing around his foot and kicking them and putting
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: them in a trash can. So we got to make
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: sure like, Okay, that spot's done, the camera's cut back. Okay,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: we're here in the camera in the middle of the ring,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: and we gotta do this live live. Everything has to
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: be forward motion. You can't like the second somebody does this,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: it messes up the next thing, which messes up the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: next thing. Now everybody's like it's a domino effect. It's
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: so rare that everything went boom boom boom room Like
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Kenny Moon salt off the balcony onto everybody, Kenny's health
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: we're worried about, Oh my god is and when w
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Angel off the stage exploding the table. Yeah, it's just
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: so many different elements in so many different ways for
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: something to go wrong that didn't. So we were just
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: like we had fun though, but it was it was
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: a blast. Aw's the only place you can have something
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I saw. There's some reports and obviously who knows, you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: Twitter wrestling.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Twitter gets shipped wrong all the time. But Alistair Black
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: negotiating to possibly come back to AW I thought that
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: was like, hmm, like that was.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I think I saw like Sean Ross sapp report that
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: that was a false so false, okay, okay, So I'll
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: just leave that to the reports. Yeah.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: I just wonder, like, when you see somebody leave and.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Like a year later they get released, do you like
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: is it like well you like I kind of feel
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: like if I was Tony Kahn, I'd be like, hey man.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: You chose.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I just hope that Alistair I'll speak to. I hope
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Tommy finds what he's looking for in this industry this
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: part of his career.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: I know his wife is incredible too, that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Both very talented, incredible people, incredible talents in itself. I
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: just hope they find something that gives them the type
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: of I don't know what it is that he's really
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, I hope there's they find someplace that
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: gives them that. Yeah, you know what I mean, because
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: he has so many great ideas. He's one of the
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: guys that got me in NXT, like him talking with
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Terry Taylor and is like, this is a guy you
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: got to watch out for and he did tape Stays
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: with him in twenty seventeen. You know, my last indie
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: run I was he was the guy I was going to.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: So he really helped my mind a lot at that
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: stage in my career. So I just hope like he
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: finds the place that gives him whatever it is that
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: can fulfill him in the industry again.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like too with like Zelina.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: It's like it's it's it sucks when like there's like
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: a couple because it feels like, no matter what, when
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: they become a TV prom together, now they're kind of
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: tied to each other, Yelena.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I feel like at Backlash in Puerto Ricano, perto.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Rico is like I'm like, oh my god, yeah, I'm
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: saying yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, it's definitely. Do you feel
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: like the industry is changing for the good or the
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: better right now? Because it feels like, however people feel
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: about TKO's involvement in wrestling now, it has changed maybe,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: like I guess the business model a bit for certain
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: people like you.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: It's only changed the business model for w B. Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: I think like ww is so vast right now. It
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: exists only within its own world. And its own bubble.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think it affects the rest of the wrestling
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: world too much unless releases and stuff happen, or they're
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: buying out TV rights for other stations or like conglomerations
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: are like I feel like everybody else the wrestling world
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: is like like flourishing. I wish what I will say
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: about outside of like the big TV, like like the
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: aw's the WS. I really do wish like the independence
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: was flourishing a little bit more right because a lot
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: of guys are getting like you're hearing about him at
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four, twenty five and getting signed. I
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: really wish that these guys would get like become the
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: indie stars that we used to be watching.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I think Zilla's doing a pretty good job right now.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: He is. He's holding out and he's like becoming the
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: indie guy, you know, he's becoming like like man like
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: PWG would be so helpful right now to be like, oh,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: we're doing an All Star weekend, like who's out there?
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Who's out there to be an all Star? And then
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: you'll see the names pop up, like who are these guys?
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Like I heard him, I've kind of seen him and
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: then like then you got to watch PWG to become
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: a fan of these guys. You know, I really wish
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: we had that to find out who these guys are.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: And I saw at the House of Glory. Shit, that
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: Charlie Mason guy, who is.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: I didn't know his shtick. I thought he was being just.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: I thought he was gay because he kept like licking
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the sweat off of hit the dudes Like no, it's
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: like a no no, right.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: So I was like with Zilla's girl and I was like, yeah,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: it was like this dude's thing is he like geh?
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: She's like no, no, no, He's like Charles Manson. He's
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: like a serial killer.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, which that would do really
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: great stuff on TV. Yeah, he would do great stuff.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: And he yeah he's fire, Yeah he's fire. But yeah,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I just wa was like there was like more platforms
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: to showcase these next year.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: Four rope I think is bubbling fourth rope. If they
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: they got to get more consistent, they got to do
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: more than like once a quarter. Yeah, they got right
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: now it's like every three or four months you get
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: a fourth rope.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like they also got to compete with and
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: like on the big weekends, like the wressel Cads they
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: got to do a fourth robe they like on uh.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't do anything may A weekend, which was
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: like to me, a mistake.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like consistency is key.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Because like, no matter what, GCW is doing something Mania
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: week exactly, and the Juggalo ships happened in many a
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: week Dude, Like I was at I was at blood
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Sport and Stone Cold Steve Bolston's stand there under the
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: camera watching the shot.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I'm right behind him. I'm like, who would have thought?
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is the time for you to be
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: on the watching like a non WW product like Naddy
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: was on the show. There has talent stuff in Shana
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Basler and they had they killed it. But like I'm like,
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: but this is the times to be putting on shows
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: when you can have like a stone Coltsy Vaults and
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: just like you know what, I'm gonna watch And he
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: sat there and watched every.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Match from nobody would expect that either.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: No, but that's why you gotta run. That's why you
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: gotta run these shows because you will miss opportunities like this.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: That's why Sean Michaels watches that ship. Yes, like that's
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: like his ursion and like scouty I watched him with Sean, Yes,
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: what can you say about his because you've obviously been
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: under his wing at NXT.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: What can you just say about Sean?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Because it feels like he's so good at developing talent,
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: so good at like getting people ready.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: He probably has the most like challenging job because he
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: has to put in the time. First off, he has
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: to choose who's picking it up. Then he has to
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: put in the time, effort, resources, creativity, promotion ads, make
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: sure I hope they don't get hurt, and like you
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: got to put in all that for for.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Them to.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Pluck them at any moment, like oh yeah, by the way,
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: this is the last show, but he has I had
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: all this, Like that's really challenging because in main roster
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: you're not plucked in to go anywhere else. You're just there.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: So like that's so challenging to do. The women are
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: picking up so fast, Like I feel like NXT has
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: spit out so many great women it's so insane. Like
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: and I watched it. I was in the system. I
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: was like, Oh, she's gone, Oh she's going, She's going
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: she's the next one coming up, and sure enough, boom
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: boom boom, like a machine, they're up there. You know.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's they do such a good job
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: with the women that the ratio with the women and
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: the men is so like off and it's and it's
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: hard to pinpoint why, but I just say, I just
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: give credit to the women. Like he has he always
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: he can always plug and play a talent. Yeah, I
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: women's champion. He has the luxury of that, but the
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: men is a challenged.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: I saw him say, or I don't know if it
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: was if someone had said that he was begging to
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: keep Javon one more year, oh my god, which I
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: think I agree it would have because.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: What's he missing? Now? What's what's it like?
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: I feel like you should have went on a heel run. Yeah,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: but what would he have missed because imagine if Trick
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: would have got called up.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying prior.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: To him going on this heel tear and.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying, like, what would this whole
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: past year with Javon, what would he have missed out
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: on for being an NXC for another year? He wouldn't
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: missed out on anything. Maybe a mania, but there's always
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: going to be a mania. What would he have missed
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: out on this year for just waiting another year? Maybe more?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Check that's it. But he was going to get the
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: bag no matter what, you know, and he's young, he's
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: not going to.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: He would have been the face of the brand for.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: He would have had And what did I tell you
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: about trick.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: On the TNA and holding that belt.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Have to see him as a top guy to believe
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: he is. That's why j C. Jane is doing so
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: well right now on her debut because we've seen her
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: for three years holding the top belt, getting it multiple
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: times and main eventing with it. So now what do
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: we see her with? Oh, we're gonna put her with
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: other manors because we perceive her as that.
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: Now it's happened with Oba. It was like it's like, yo,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: you're going.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: You're because we see you as that got the destroyer,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: the ruler. We see it, So put him with a brock.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: We trust it, We believe it.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Is there a piece of advice or something that Sean
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: taught you that you applied and still apply to this day.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: There I would say there's two guys there Sean, and
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: there's Terry Taylor.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, Sean.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: For what I said earlier, he's like the guys like,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: we gotta work a little harder. That that still rings
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: true in my head all the time. Terry has a
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: bunch of them. But there was a I'll go with
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Sean first, because that's what you asked Sean, I would say.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: He used himself as an example. He was like, when
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: you're not in the title picture, you got to figure
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: out different type of stories to tell. So because your
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: whole existence can't be about just the belt, because that's
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: why we all here.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: And there's only so only one guy can be like.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Why are we all here? That's like like NBA player,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: why are you here to be NBA champion? There's like
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: five hundred of you. Yeah, so of course, so he
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: he said like he didn't handle his first run as
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: well because he couldn't handle being the top guy. He
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: it just it was too much pressure on him, which
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: is a loss of smile and his other things. He
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: just didn't handle the pressure of being the top guy
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: very well. So when he values his second run so
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: much more because he started figuring out like I'm good
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: at being one a or A one B or two
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: A to set up the main guy and tell different
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: types of stories and tug on different heartstrings and emotions.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: So that's where like him and Jericho and like the
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: wife and everything, punching back and stuff. Him and Hunter
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: like betraying his betraying his best friend. He he's I
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: found that was my skill and niche to be like
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: the Hogan thing like him and Taker, they were never
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: about belts. On the second run, his best stories were
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: about other things, other emotional things. So I was like,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: oh snap, that's where me and Hangman I figure it out.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: That's where men like I was like, Okay, how do
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: I make myself important if the belt's not in the line,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: because everybody's fans are conditioned. If the belt's not on
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: the line, why do we care? So how do you
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: make people care without being in the title hunt out?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: That's where it clicked for Sean with me with Sean's
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: personal advice, the other one with Terry Taylor, he was like,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: like he helped me figure out how to perform like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: it's real, like as in like for the camera too.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: He's like He's like no, like you know, everybody does
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: something something, the crowd the camera. He's like, why are
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you looking at them? You're not You're not in war
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: with them, You're at war with your opponent. So that's
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: where I started conducting the camera with my eyes. I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: started like when I did something like I would look
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: at my hands, my hands, how do you feel about
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: what your hands are about to do? Am I sad
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: about my opponent? Am I like shaking? Am I scared?
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Or am I aggressive? Am I angry? Then I take
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: that anger and aggression I put in my opponent. Am
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I angry? Or am I like? This is my friend?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Like, so now I'm playing with different emotions live with
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: the camera, and the camera follows where my eyes are looking.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: If I look up at the lights, they shoot wide.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: If I look up down on the ground, they shoot
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: at the ground. If I like start firing up and
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: I look at my opponent, they shoot him. Then they
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: shoot back at me. Then they get that shot of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: like looking through here, of like what I'm about to do.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: So I terry tapped that into my brain and then
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: it became about like he said, we had a skull session,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: long table like this. He watched whatever matches for the week.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: He turned it off and he was talking about the
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: business right now is going up and down stuff? Right
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: now we're in a down phase. It's twenty nineteen. Yeah,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: He's like, we're in a downface. We're looking right now.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: I'll let you know, right now the business is in
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: need of somebody else to take the reins.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty nineteen was rough. There was a couple of
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: years there I was I was just not Yeah.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: So that was like before COVID and all that stuff.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: He was like, somebody in this room is going to
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: change the wrestling world? Why not? Why not be you?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, you know what, why not
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: be me? No? And you're looking at the room. It's like,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: you know, you look at every performance center room. You're like,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: who could be? You know? But like then you're like,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: you know what, what's stopping me? And I always kept
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: that in my head. I still text Harry to this
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: day and be like, I still remember that speech and
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I took you. I took that challenge. And he was like,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: that's why I always say it. It can happen to anybody,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: but I'm glad it happened to me.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's take I want to take Cody the Bucks
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: and Kenny out of the picture. Who is on the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: mount Rushmore? Aw So no Cody, No, no Cody, no Bucks,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: no Kenny.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: Moxley, ding Jericho Danielson. Danielson shout out to him, all
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: I respect that for.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: Had you and Booker t squashed your beef that started.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: On lad We've been on like three flights since.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: On the same flight. Yeah, did you guys talk? Did
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: you guys even know?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: He looks at me every time he goes and gets
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: on the flight, like, and then we sit right next
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Like I was in the aisle, he's over there.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, nothing, No, jeez. I met him in at
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: that center a picture. Yes, I walked up to him.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: I was like, hey, man, I was like, can we
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: get a flick? I just left the press room. He's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: like I was like, yeah, I'm friends with Swerve.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: And then right when I said that, my boy took
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: the picture and he was like, and I stepped on
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: his shoe but wasn't on purpose.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: It was on accident. But he was not in a good mood.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: I've never met a more miserable He's met a lot
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: of He's met.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: A lot of my friends.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, when when's when's music coming out?
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: What's to break down the music.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: EP is dropping very very soon right now. We just
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: hitting and hit hit different. It's still rolling, still streaming
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: very well. Myself rest in peace. Profit believe you met
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Prophet before produced the record. We put it out in
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: November twenty twenty five. He passed away in January, and
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: but we did get to he did get to see
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: it in the arenas, like when we brought it out
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: when I came out back in full gear, putting Ray
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Kwan now a Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Ray
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Kwan Wu Tang on the record. And my man Montez,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: you know, has been here right here, wrapped on the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: show and everything. So I was able to get one
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: of my good friends, a great producer, one of my
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: good friends, and a legend to all collaborate on this
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: record that's still spinning. It's doing really well and uh,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: EP going to be dropping soon. Just got Max b
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: on two features.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Shocked man who you thought wrestling fan?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Never? I never would have thought, let alone a wrestling
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: fan of mine. That's crazy.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: So how do you get people to like the new
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: theme song? Because I feel like the old theme song
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: so crazy that.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy. Yeah, but it worked in a great time.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: But I want to know, like, the new theme song
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: is it? Do you feel that it's not?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: The fans are not as happy with it because they
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: love the old one. I got fans that are happy
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: with it.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I just the old one is just it's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: it's I always wonder what that decision is when you
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: got a theme song that everyone.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: Sings along to, what is the thought process of being Like, listen,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: ask the lawyers, Oh, is that what happened?
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Ask the lawyers what happened?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: So you couldn't use the old one?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: I decided not to or it was a legal thing.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Ask the lawyers on that one.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: So you can't use it? Is that what I'm gathering?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I chose not to.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, damn, such a great fucking it was.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: Got a lot of knowledge out of it in the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: first three years.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: Man, all right, Well, that that's I always I wondered that.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, what the fuck this guy?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Joint dog like, yeah.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: Oh well, well at least now we have some answers there.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: All right, So EP's coming soon? Are you wrestling Wednesday? Wednesday?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: You should see me on Dynamite this coming Wednesday. Yeh.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Where's it at uh Ashville, Ashville, Carolina?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: Don't know? Oh yeah, yeah, Ashville.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: That's when they had the accident.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: They had them.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we always come back to do something like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: charity charitable shows. Friend, that's where FTR and where Copeland live.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: Oh ship chat.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, such a great return. By the way, he's man.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: One thing Cope knows how to do. He knows how
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: to do a lot of great things. He knows how
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: to make a return. He knows how to make a
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: damn return for sure.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, everybody go watch a w Wednesday nights. It's
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: on tn T and HBO Max. HBO Max is the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: best because you could just man, because I don't have cable,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: so almost like and then Collision is Saturdays Saturdays eight
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: o'clock TNT.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: On tn T. And then what's the next pay per view.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Double and nothing? May twenty fourth in Queens, New York.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: It's Queen Queens Baby.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: There gonna be another anarchy at the Arena Stadium Stampede.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: They just announced it with Jericho. It hurts the nak
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: it against which they still got some members to more
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: people to add to the team against Ricochet and the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: demand oh I didn't see that. Yeah, yeah, that's this
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: past Wednesday. Just put that out there. Well, they got
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: a big that's the first match that that they've announced
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: for that, and I think Kazuko, Kata and Tequesta.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Gonna be a very bit some big shoes to fill
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: from last year's anarchy.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Good luck in a tennis stadium at that all.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Do we know where all end is going to be yet?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Wembley?
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Oh it is, so let's go going back to to Wembley.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: So now I gotta go to So that's Mike's use
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: to go to London? Yeah, because I sure the fucking
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: going the Saudi Arabia. You hear that, your tk O fucks.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting bombed in Dubai. You motherfuckers. London, we're outside.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Outside with it there. It is that that might be
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: probably the best fan base. Them motherfuckers will follow you
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: to your hotel room the London, well yeah, they will swarm.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Do you like do you deal with like fans stepping
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: a bit because wrestling fans are very I feel like
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: they're pretty harmless, but they're also very like bro, they
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: don't they are also I'm.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Never I've never had those issues like like I said,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: I feel like like you put out certain energy that
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: you get back like, but also there's randoms that.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Like did you saw the cmpunk video or he slapped
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: the dude's phone and the guy went on a fucking
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: media run like asking.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: That's putting out the energy? Yeah, you can't put out
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: that type of energy, you know what I mean? So
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: you get get the energy out what you get.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: But I saw the angle where like Bailey and like
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: AJ were having it.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: I get that, But then you get somebody else's step
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: in because you don't want to put yourself in that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: you know that heater.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: Because because then it's gonna keep happening and it's gonna
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: get you get it.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: And you could be right, you could be meaning, you
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: could be meaning to do the right thing and however,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: but the guy probably deserved it. But now you're in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: that ship storm.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Now and now he's got not only can you get sued,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: but now other fans are going to try to bait you.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, like I said, you you the more energy you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: put out like that, the more it's gonna come back.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: So you just gotta be careful with that kind of stuff. Hey,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: I never dealt with that.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Do you guys get an internal email from Tony or
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: from like the PR team when like Ricochet says crazy
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: shit on Twitter.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Like, hey guys, let's not cross the line on Twitter.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Hey, I was. I was just I definitely was one
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: of those guys saying like firing back and saying ship like.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: No, no, for sure, I've seen you fire back.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but now it's like I gotta It's like
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: it's not worth it. It's not it's not He's like,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: you know what, this is not going to be the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: last guy that says some dumb shit about you or
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: say not like your promos, not like your matches.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: Wrestling fans are toxic as fuck, especially the ones on Twitter,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: like everybody.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Those aren't wrestling fans whoever they are.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, like we got to also
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: be like Twitter is not wrestling fans. They're not showing
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: up to like your signings and stuff like that. They're
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: not showing up to shows. They're just watching on their
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: phone or online. So we got to take that and divide.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Them by Like I feel the same thing with the
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: with the hip hop world, where it's like there'll be
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: people who like J Cole will drop an incredible album
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: and like a bunch of people who would not go
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: out of it. Ja Cole said it perfectly on his interview run.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: He said, there's people who are chiming in on artists
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: and music that they wouldn't if it was two thousand
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: and one go to the store to buy. Yeah, so
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: it's like you're not even.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: Like invested in the product enough to even like you
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: don't like this shit.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: He's marketing to people that love his music or love
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: a certain type of love. Yeah, he's targeting the people.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: If you bought the album, if you spend money on
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: the album and you have an opinion that's how it
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: used to be.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: But you're listening regardless. Thanks for the stream, right, thanks
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: for talking about it, and even if it is bad, okay, cool,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Like I want to listen to how bad it is,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: and then your perception might be changed. So at least
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: you're like, even the negative publicity is getting more people
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: to like listen to you, so you might as well
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: take them too with you.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Right, we'll listen swerve. I appreciate you pulling up again.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Go support this guy's music and watch Wednesday night. He'll
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: be back on TV. Uh is aw similar to like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: like like are you doing just Wednesdays, Wednesday, Saturdays?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: I could as a neat book anywhere?
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Got it there it is man, swerve, appreciate you brother.
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