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The Kenny Report | 2 February · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Roscoe and thanks for joining me. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a big day for the economy tomorrow, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight I'll show you exclusively how Australians who are Jewish
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  Speaker 2: need protection from potential terrorist attacks, not from guns but
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  Speaker 2: from cars and trucks. I'll also speak exclusively with former
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison about what more should be done
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  Speaker 2: to tackle Islamist extremism. The Nationals leader is safe for now,
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  Speaker 2: Susan Leed who knows, and the Coalition could be getting
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  Speaker 2: back together again. All the latest from Melrose Place, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Canberra in a moment, with the economy in real strife.
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  Speaker 2: The missing ingredient is productivity. How do we boost that
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  Speaker 2: for a prosperous future. Business Leader Tony Sheppard will join me.
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  Speaker 2: All that reform killing it in the UK, the author
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  Speaker 2: of Alexander Downer's biography on terrorism, and Gematon Uni and
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  Speaker 2: Caroline de So join me too.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get cracking.
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  Speaker 2: The latest polls have even more bad news for the
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  Speaker 2: former coalition parties as they gather in Canberra again for parliament.
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  Speaker 2: One nation has surged ahead in the afr's Redbridge poll,
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  Speaker 2: with more than a quarter of voters saying they'd give
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  Speaker 2: their first preference to Pauline Hansen's party, while the former
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  Speaker 2: coalition parties couldn't even muster one vote in five polling
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  Speaker 2: just nineteen percent. Canberra's all about party meetings and side
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  Speaker 2: meetings for the Liberals and Nationals today and tonight. The
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  Speaker 2: leadership challenge against Nationals leader David Little Proud from backbencher
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  Speaker 2: Colin Boyce fizzed before it even got started. Susan Lee
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  Speaker 2: will meet with Little Proud tonight to try to put
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  Speaker 2: the coalition back together again, and we don't know if
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  Speaker 2: or when Angus Taylor might challenge Lee for the top job.
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  Speaker 2: One Nation's busy poaching personnel think Barnaby Joyce, with talk
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  Speaker 2: of former Liberal Cory Bernardi and possibly South Australian Senator Alex.
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  Speaker 3: Antik also jumping ship.
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  Speaker 2: One Nations also winning dollars, with Australia's richest woman, Gina
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  Speaker 2: Reinhardt reportedly helping One Nation compile a campaign war chest.
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen's also basking in the success of One Nation's
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  Speaker 2: super progressive movie. The animated feature is all about mainstream
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  Speaker 2: people fighting back against wokeness, and it's tapping into a
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  Speaker 2: strong vein of support.
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  Speaker 3: But it's also stirred up feral opposition.
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  Speaker 2: Screening events have faced threats and protests, and today I
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  Speaker 2: can reveal a graffiti attack on the offices of step
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  Speaker 2: Mate's Studios, the animation company behind the film. Their premises
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne's Woke in a North were defaced with abuse,
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  Speaker 2: including swastickers. So while One Nation draws on an art
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  Speaker 2: an ugly backlash from the feral left, it's feeding of
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  Speaker 2: course off disaffection from the coalition parties. But the polls
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  Speaker 2: show no surge to the left, quite the opposite. Labor
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  Speaker 2: and the Greens are going backwards too. All that's keeping
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  Speaker 2: them dominant at the moment is the shambles on the
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  Speaker 2: right of center parties.
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  Speaker 3: So if the Coalition.
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  Speaker 2: Could only be clear and strong on the cost of living,
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  Speaker 2: on our national energy, self harm, on housing costs, and
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  Speaker 2: the role of immigration, on combating anti Semitism and Islamist
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  Speaker 2: extremism to build social cohesion and provide national security, well,
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  Speaker 2: if it did all that, it would be reaping the
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  Speaker 2: rewards now instead of One nation. On the night after
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  Speaker 2: the massacre of fifteen innocent people at Bondai fifty days ago. Today,
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  Speaker 2: I scoffed at the government's immediate pivot to gun laws.
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  Speaker 2: As I said at the time, the terrorist threat often
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  Speaker 2: involves Islamist extremism, and we've seen alleged Islamist extremists in
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  Speaker 2: the past use knives, planes, cars, and trucks well. Additional
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  Speaker 2: armed guards were on duty at Jewish schools today when
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  Speaker 2: they opened. Imagine that sending your kids to schools that
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Could be terrorist targets.
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  Speaker 2: It's unimaginable for most of us, but that's the reality
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  Speaker 2: for so many Jewish parents that I've spoken with. But
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  Speaker 2: while those armed guards were in place, let me show
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  Speaker 2: you something else.
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  Speaker 3: I can show you this first. It hasn't been reported elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: I shot these pictures myself this morning on my iPhone
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  Speaker 2: outside synagogues in Sydney's eastern suburbs.
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  Speaker 3: New temporary traffic barriers.
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  Speaker 2: Have been installed outside a lot of synagogues and at
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  Speaker 2: nearby traffic lights and pedestrian crossings. I saw these outside
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  Speaker 2: at least five synagogues. There are cement and plastic barriers.
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  Speaker 2: They're clearly designed to protect pedestrians. Jewish congregations typically walk
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  Speaker 2: to and from their local synagogues for the Sabbath services. Now,
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  Speaker 2: obviously the protection is a good thing if it adds
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  Speaker 2: to safety and peace of mind, but it should not
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  Speaker 2: be necessary. We need to tackle the Islamist extremism, the
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism, the hatred, not build fortresses around our Jewish compatriots.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi.
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  Speaker 4: Last month, a legislation will also set up the National
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  Speaker 4: Guns Buyback Scheme, bringing Australia's world leading gun laws into
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  Speaker 4: the twenty first century and getting guns off our streets.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but you can't get the cars and trucks off
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  Speaker 2: our streets. Instead we install bollards and barriers in our suburbs.
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  Speaker 2: This proves that gun laws are not enough. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: the traffic barriers are an admission that gun laws are
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  Speaker 2: not enough.
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  Speaker 3: You must tackle the real problem, the.
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  Speaker 2: One whose name our leaders dare not speak, Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 2: Last night at Bondai, I attended the last memorial service
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  Speaker 2: and reading of victims' names to be held at the
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  Speaker 2: Bondai Pavilion, the temporary memorial site set up immediately after
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  Speaker 2: the Bondai attack. Sharry Markson played a key role with
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  Speaker 2: Rabbi Yossi Friedman, along with survivors of the massacre and
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  Speaker 2: relatives of victims. I was honored to be asked to speak,
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  Speaker 2: and I mentioned that the need for armed guards for
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  Speaker 2: Jewish school children and synagogues was a dark stain on
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  Speaker 2: our nation, the Jewish community.
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  Speaker 1: My heart weaves for you because you've suffered so much
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  Speaker 1: and you're.
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  Speaker 3: On the front line. But we all have.
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  Speaker 5: To share with our friends the rest of the country,
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  Speaker 5: the agency that this is a fine that belongs to
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  Speaker 5: all of us, to fight to protect our Jewish brothers
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  Speaker 5: and sisters, but to fight to protect every soul of
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  Speaker 5: the nation.
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  Speaker 2: Brendan O'Neil, the brave and prolific Spike online commentator, was
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  Speaker 2: visiting from the UK, and he made typically strong points.
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  Speaker 1: Both in Britain and Australia. Jews have been mourning for
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  Speaker 1: more than two years that anti Semitism is out of control.
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  Speaker 6: And yet our powardly political class did nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They looked the other way.
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  Speaker 5: They refused to grapple with the forces of Islamism, Israelophobia
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  Speaker 5: and outright anti Smerdism.
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  Speaker 1: Well enough is.
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  Speaker 2: Enough, yes, indeed, Brendan O'Neil will join me here tomorrow night. Now,
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  Speaker 2: don't think this threat is over, don't think it is
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  Speaker 2: not your concern. Don't let up on the pressure for
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  Speaker 2: stronger action, and please show your support for your Jewish
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  Speaker 2: Australian neighbors. As I said, the very soul of our
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  Speaker 2: nation is at stake. Former Prime Minister Scott Morrison has
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  Speaker 2: returned from Israel, but before he left he appeared on
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  Speaker 2: Israel's Channel fourteen and criticized Anthony Albanesi for failing to
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  Speaker 2: tackle anti Semitism and is Latistic extremism. Between the October
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  Speaker 2: the seventh atrocities and the Bondai terrorist attack, have a look.
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  Speaker 7: There is a rising criticism among the people of Australia,
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  Speaker 7: specifically to Jewish community, criticizing the government, criticizing Albanzi for
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  Speaker 7: not doing enough to fight antisemitism. They're saying the writing
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  Speaker 7: was on the wall.
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  Speaker 8: Well, I think those criticisms affair and post October seventh
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  Speaker 8: that has been occurring. There was a vacant space left
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  Speaker 8: where leadership was needed, and that created the opportunity for
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  Speaker 8: anti Semitism to take hold. In the two years following
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  Speaker 8: the attacks, we've seen a fivefold increase in the number
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  Speaker 8: of anti Semitic incidents in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I caught up with Scott Morrison today and asked him
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  Speaker 2: what more Anthony ALBERIZI should have done.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he shouldn't have been ambiguous about the nature of
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  Speaker 1: what occurred. And because when you're ambiguous and you create
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  Speaker 1: equivalents with what occurred on October seven and conflating this
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  Speaker 1: with other issues, whether it be Islamophobia or other things,
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  Speaker 1: it lacked the moral clarity which made it very clear
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  Speaker 1: that Australia's response was one of absolute rejection. I mean
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  Speaker 1: picking up the phone to Bibi nit Nya, who also
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  Speaker 1: would have been a very important thing to do to
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  Speaker 1: express Australia is very clear and unambivalent who about these things.
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  Speaker 1: And this is always subtle. It doesn't take much of
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  Speaker 1: a gap, the things like anti Semitism and the sorts
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  Speaker 1: of sentiments that give rise to that and its growth
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  Speaker 1: and it flourished. They don't need much of an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: and it doesn't need much of a gap. And a
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  Speaker 1: gap was created, and a gap was built.
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  Speaker 2: This is a point though, that political leaders don't just
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  Speaker 2: pass laws. They don't have to take action. It is
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  Speaker 2: that moral leadership that counts. And another former Prime Minister,
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  Speaker 2: John Howard told me for The Australian on the weekend
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  Speaker 2: that he thinks at the time after the Opera House
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  Speaker 2: protests on October the ninth, twenty twenty three, Anthony Albanez
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  Speaker 2: he should have called Peter Dutton, the then Opposition leader,
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  Speaker 2: and called a joint press conference to jointly condemn antisemitism.
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  Speaker 2: Is it a fact that we missed that sort of
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  Speaker 2: moral leadership.
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  Speaker 1: That's the gap that I'm referring to. And whether it
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  Speaker 1: was that measure that might have been taken, frankly, it
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  Speaker 1: might have been one with the premiere at the time,
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  Speaker 1: particularly involving what happened at the Opera House. There was
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  Speaker 1: just an ambivalence and an equivalence that was drawn on
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  Speaker 1: these issues, which left people, I'm not sure, in clear
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  Speaker 1: view about where Australia stood in relation to this. And
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  Speaker 1: what I then went on to say was that in
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  Speaker 1: an environment where antisemitism was growing and metastasizing, when you
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  Speaker 1: throw into that, and this is a point that is
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  Speaker 1: I think keenly felt in Israel when you throw into
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  Speaker 1: that the end of seventy five years of bipartisanship on
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  Speaker 1: the question of Palestinian statehood now absent that environment of
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  Speaker 1: growing anti Semitism, that would be one thing. But to
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  Speaker 1: do it in that environment where Israel was isolated and
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  Speaker 1: policy was changed so dramatically and then done in concert
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  Speaker 1: with other liberal democracy, well, this can't be seen as
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  Speaker 1: being unrelated and not contributing to the atmosphere.
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  Speaker 2: With that lack of leadership and with that wrong decision diplomatically,
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  Speaker 2: is Anthony Albanezi at least in part culpable for the
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  Speaker 2: Bondai massacre?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't use that phrase. That's I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it helps things to simplify it down to that level.
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  Speaker 1: There's lots of contributing factors, and a contributing factor clearly
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  Speaker 1: was how the anti Semitism that was on display post
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  Speaker 1: October seven was allowed to germinate, grow, metastasize, and take
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  Speaker 1: a form that ended in the worst possible of scenarios.
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  Speaker 1: That's what happened, you know, And there were so many
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  Speaker 1: things that happened over those two years, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: I and many others, Josh, so many other people were saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we need to call a hold of this,
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  Speaker 1: we need to call this out. The government needs to
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  Speaker 1: take a stronger position on what's happening post October seven,
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  Speaker 1: and that didn't happen, and that equivalence continued to be drawn.
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  Speaker 1: People continued to march chance of globalizing. The infata continue
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  Speaker 1: to be shouted out in our streets and from the
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  Speaker 1: rivet of the sea, and many people were parroting these
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  Speaker 1: things without any frankly, without any real knowledge or awareness
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  Speaker 1: of what these things actually meant, which is basically the
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  Speaker 1: eradication of the state of Israel and everybody in it.
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  Speaker 1: When I was in Israel, I was shown a map
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  Speaker 1: and this map they took from a classroom in Gaza,
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  Speaker 1: and it shows what rivers meant. The Speaker of the
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  Speaker 1: Parliament showed it to me, and there's no Israel, none
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  Speaker 1: at all. They don't exist.
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  Speaker 2: Incredibly, these chants and these marches in the streets of
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  Speaker 2: Australia are.
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  Speaker 3: Continuing now to this day.
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  Speaker 2: On the weekend after the Bondai massacre, now in Israel
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  Speaker 2: last week you gave a very good speech I thought
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  Speaker 2: we showed excerpts of it on this program, where you
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  Speaker 2: made some clear suggestions for how to tackle Islamist extremism
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  Speaker 2: in our country, drawing lessons from the way it's tackled
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  Speaker 2: in Muslim countries.
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  Speaker 3: As I said, I think.
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  Speaker 2: It was a great idea, it made a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 2: But have a look at how Labour's minister and Ali
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  Speaker 2: responded to this.
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  Speaker 9: I think it's incredibly irresponsible and I also think it's
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  Speaker 9: incredibly disappointing because it draws on historical stereotypes and a
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  Speaker 9: historical trope that continually puts the blame and responsibility and
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  Speaker 9: the burden on some communities whenever there is any form
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  Speaker 9: of a terrorist attack.
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  Speaker 3: Scott Morrison, your response to Anne Ali.
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  Speaker 1: It's predictable and it follows the pattern of not wanting
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  Speaker 1: to confront this issue and setting up a sort of
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  Speaker 1: a straw man argument for things that frankly I never said.
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  Speaker 1: What can we do now? In Australia we believe in
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  Speaker 1: freedom of religion, and in Australia, religions bates. They need
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  Speaker 1: to take responsibility for what's going on inside their own bates. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in many Muslim countries, particularly in the Gulf, they have
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  Speaker 1: quite strong rules about what ammalms can say on the week.
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  Speaker 1: They have to have sermons approved, They hire and fire
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  Speaker 1: a clerics. I'm not proposing any of that. What I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying in the liberal democracy like Australia or France that matter,
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  Speaker 1: or the UK or Anator or New Zealand, then base
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  Speaker 1: themselves have to be self policing. They have to be
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  Speaker 1: self regulating, They've got to have good standards, they've got
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  Speaker 1: to have a plan for dealing with radicalization within their
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  Speaker 1: own ranks. Why because the people in those faiths deserve
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  Speaker 1: that protection. I'm appealing to Islamic leaders, in the religious
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  Speaker 1: leaders to be taking the role of ensuring and safeguarding
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  Speaker 1: within their own faith that they are meeting the same
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  Speaker 1: standards of accountability and governance that applies to all other
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  Speaker 1: faith communities in Australia. Nothing more, nothing less, that's all.
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  Speaker 1: I've suggested. That the response to that has been to
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  Speaker 1: re characterize it, say that I'm blaming Islamic community for
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  Speaker 1: what's happening on the seventh fourteen. No I haven't, and
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  Speaker 1: no I don't, But I do ask religious leaders in
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  Speaker 1: the Islamic community to take this issue seriously. I know
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  Speaker 1: many of them seek to, but I think they need
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  Speaker 1: greater tools to help them achieve that. And I think
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  Speaker 1: there are many in the community who would benefit by
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  Speaker 1: stronger rules overseen by their own religious leaders, who can
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  Speaker 1: actually make sure that there is some accountability for preaching,
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  Speaker 1: for teaching, that things are in English, that there are standards,
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  Speaker 1: there are faith processes, all of these things. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what if there are deficiencies in my own faith community,
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  Speaker 1: in my own faith institution, well it should apply to
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  Speaker 1: us too. No special deals, just everybody doing the right
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  Speaker 1: thing in a free democracy to protect our country and
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  Speaker 1: the security of our country and to ensure we all
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  Speaker 1: are bide by the law.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great contribution.
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  Speaker 2: It's an important debate, one of the most important debates
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  Speaker 2: in the country. It's tragic that your contribution is shouted
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  Speaker 2: down is islamophobic by the Imman's counsel and Ali because
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  Speaker 2: as a country we need to get on top of
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  Speaker 2: this stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Look, there is increased.
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  Speaker 2: Security at Jewish schools in Australia today, armed guards of
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  Speaker 2: core at synagogue school's, childcare, childcare centers. We've become used
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  Speaker 2: to this in this country.
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  Speaker 3: It's tragic. It's a dark stain on our nation.
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  Speaker 2: I've shown my viewers earlier tonight that there are bollards
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  Speaker 2: now outside synagogue so that they're presumably so cars can't
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  Speaker 2: be rammed onto footpaths as Jewish people attend their synagogues.
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  Speaker 2: Does this all point to the fact that we can
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  Speaker 2: expect more terror attacks in this country.
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  Speaker 1: Well, of course I hope not, and I pray that's
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  Speaker 1: not the case. But unless we can deal with the
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  Speaker 1: increase that we've seen in anti semitism since October seven. Now,
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  Speaker 1: anti Semitism has been around for centuries, that is true,
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  Speaker 1: but there is a clear demarcation line when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the figures from October seven. After October seven, five
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  Speaker 1: fold increase on the ten years average before that. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: there were more incidents that were recorded by the Executive
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  Speaker 1: Council of the Strain Jury in those two years alone
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  Speaker 1: than in there was in the previous eleven. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're just the facts and that requires us to if
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  Speaker 1: not now when now. I don't want there to be
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  Speaker 1: any sense of blame against the Islamic community at all,
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  Speaker 1: But what I do want is for religious leaders to
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  Speaker 1: be part of the solution here and to be able
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  Speaker 1: to protect their own people in their own faith from
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  Speaker 1: that radicalization being present.
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, as a former Liberal Prime Minister, I have
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  Speaker 2: to ask you must despair about the state of the
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  Speaker 2: party being outpolled now by one nation, not even getting
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  Speaker 2: a first preference in the polls of twenty percent below
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  Speaker 2: twenty percent. What can the Liberal Party do to turn
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  Speaker 2: it around, and can it be done without a leadership change.
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  Speaker 1: Well, leaderships are matter for the party room, and as
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  Speaker 1: a former leader, I always respect whatever the party room decides.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a member of it anymore. And as when
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  Speaker 1: I was the leader, I expected that from other leaders
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  Speaker 1: who preceded me and largely got that, and so I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to pay the same courtesy to those who are
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  Speaker 1: here now. And as Susan, I mean, it's a challenging
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  Speaker 1: for you. For the party, I think there's no doubt
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  Speaker 1: about that, and they've got to work through these issues
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  Speaker 1: and be able to put forward a platform, particularly on
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  Speaker 1: the economy, which gives people that hope and that confidence
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  Speaker 1: that the party is a party of government. That's what
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  Speaker 1: we've always been, that's what we're built for. But you
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  Speaker 1: make the point about one nation, and look, yes, they
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  Speaker 1: are attracting a lot of support. Maybe that's out of grievance, frustration,
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  Speaker 1: any number of things they're identifying with. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: when a party starts to be attracting those sort of
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  Speaker 1: polling numbers that I think people have a right to ask. Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: what are their policies, what's their policy on taxation, what's
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  Speaker 1: their policy on immigration? They say, on a cut it
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  Speaker 1: will wear which programs and what are the implications of that?
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  Speaker 1: They say they want to do something about the NBA
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  Speaker 1: is okay, what which areas are going to pull back
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: on and how are you going to you know, how's
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that going to be worked out? How's that going to
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: get through the parliament. I think they're you know, I
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: don't raise those issues necessarily to draw a critician, but
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, parties who pretend to be parties
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: of government, they've got to have answers to those sorts
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of questions.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Scott Morrison, thanks so much for joining us again.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Chris, thanks for the time.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great to catch up with him. Some really important
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: points there from Scott Morrison. There is a lot happening
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: when it comes to the right of center parties in Canberra.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the Shadow Attorney General Andrew Wallace, who
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: joins us from the War Memorial in Canberra.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Good to speak to you.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Andrew, I wonder if you could start us by start
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: off by just telling us why you're there at the
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: War Memorial.
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: Well, Chris, at the start of every parliamentary year, parliamentarians
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: from across the divide come to the War Memorial for
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: the last post ceremony. It's something that we do to
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: remember the one hundred and three thousand men and women
• 20:56
  Speaker 10: who've paid the ultimate sacrifice to.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: Defend our nations. So addition, and it's a very very
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: good one.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very good tradition, a great way to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: start the parliamentary year. Very messy start to the parliamentary
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: year for the coalition. You are now formally split, but
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: the leadership challenge against the Nationals leader David Little Proud
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: fizzled out today and we know that in the next
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: few hours your leader, Susan Lee is going to be
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: meeting with David Little Proud. There must be a strong
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: hope that tonight the Coalition might even be put back together.
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: Well, let's hope, so, Chris, because together we're better, we're stronger,
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: We're able to hold this hopeless government to account much
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: better than if we if we boxed on as two
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: separate parties does.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: That mean, and sorry to jump in, we don't have
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of time though.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Does that mean that Susan Lee has the backing of
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: shadow Cabinet and perhaps her own party room to offer
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: all those front bench positions back to the Nationals.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Well we'll soon find out.
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: But ultimately this will be a matter of negotiation between
• 22:03
  Speaker 10: David and Susan and look, time will tell. I'm not
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: about to foreshadow what might be given, what might be taken.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 22:13
  Speaker 10: I'm not in that room, and the most important thing
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: is that we get back together because we need to
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: hold this government to account.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Look, I had a bit of a cheap shot at
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: the top of the program, joking that there was a
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: bit like melrose Place. I'm not proud of my cheap shot,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: but here's the Prime Minister taking a cheap shot as well.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Married at first Sight begins tonight, and it's a bit
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: like that with the relationships on the other side. You
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: know they're going to end badly. You know there's going
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: to be cheating involved, and they're going to be not
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: trueful to each other. And you know that's what we're
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: seeing played out in time.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he couldn't resist it, No, doubt those words will
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: come back to bite him when there are future problems
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: on the labor side. But when it comes to the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Liberal leadership, Andrew is Susan Lee safe? It seems to
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: me like just a matter of time before there's a
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: challenge from Angus Taylor.
• 23:20
  Speaker 10: Well, Chris, I think that Susan has the support of
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: the party room and look, the Prime Minister can make
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: light of this, but the reality is tomorrow if the
• 23:29
  Speaker 10: Reserve Bank lifts interest rates again. Already Australians, the average
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: Australian is paying twenty one thousand dollars.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: More on their mortgage than what they were under a
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: coalition government.
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: This government continues to mismanage the economy and Australians are
• 23:45
  Speaker 10: paying the price.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I think Australians are very, very angry.
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: At the way the Prime Minister has not only managed
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: the economy, but how he has run the country from
• 23:53
  Speaker 10: a national security perspective, and they want to see that
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: government being held to account by a United Opposition early
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: tonight and in the in the in the days.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: That follow, we can we can get this thing back together.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: We will see.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Andrew appreciated. Andrew Wallace
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: there who's the shadow Attorney General. The coalition could be
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: put back together tonight, so they have a united coalition
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: again when Parliament resumes tomorrow.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: We will see.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: After this break, I want to look at a new
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: biography into the life of Alexander Downer.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I'll catch up with the author, Tony Parkinson.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: When it comes to Islamist extreme mist terrorism, as we
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: were discussing earlier, former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer saw it
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: at the pointy end through attacks in Bali, across this
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: region and in Australia. And as I mentioned last year,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: there's a new biography out because about Alexander Downer as
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the country's longest serving foreign minister. It's called A Step
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to the Right, The Life and Times of Alexander Downer,
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and it's been written by only Parkinson, who joins me
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: on the desk.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Now, good to see you, Tony. I'll tell you what.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Over the summer break I got to read every word
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: of this book. I've spoken on to Alexander about it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: It's a ripping read. Tell us why this foreign minister
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: over this.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Period was worthy of a book?
• 25:16
  Speaker 11: Okay, well, I think it's a bit of a tendency
• 25:20
  Speaker 11: at the moment to treat stalwarts of the Howard government
• 25:23
  Speaker 11: as almost as if they were ghostly figures from the past.
• 25:27
  Speaker 11: But Alexander served this extraordinary stretch as Foreigners of twelve
• 25:33
  Speaker 11: years in the job. It's a lot of insights and
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: a lot of experience in global politics.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: So it was such a dramatic time in global politics too.
• 25:42
  Speaker 11: It was, I mean when his recollections provide some quite
• 25:50
  Speaker 11: vivid detail on some of the Lamark moments and also
• 25:55
  Speaker 11: some of the critical emerging trends that defined the early
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: twenty first century, things like this Tember eleven attacks on
• 26:01
  Speaker 11: the US and they're aftermath resurgent, more assertive China, the
• 26:08
  Speaker 11: fragmentation of politics, and a lot of Western democracies, including
• 26:11
  Speaker 11: our own.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: So one of the areas I wanted to focus on
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: the war on terrorism and the way it affected Australia dramatically,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: especially the Balley bombings. Of course they could on Alexander
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Downer's watch when he was Foreign Minister. Here's a clip
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: from that bombing in two thousand and two.
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: I've seen today is enough to break anyone's heart. It's
• 26:38
  Speaker 12: a simply shocking sight, arsonally appalling, and it drives home
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: to anybody the evil of terrorism, of mass murder.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: That we've seen in Bali on the night of the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: twelfth of October.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was there with Alexander Downer as his media
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: adviser at that time.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: You worked for him. Later on, when you talk about
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: nine to eleven, the Balley bombings.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that were related to
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the war on terrorism, there was so such a huge
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: effort to fight terrorism at home and abroad, and yet
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: we're still dealing with it in this country today in December,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: having the worst ever terrorist attack in our country.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: What are the lessons to learn?
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I mean the book focuses on the period
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: in the early two thousands when you had the launch
• 27:30
  Speaker 11: of Second Indo Fata Yep and from that point the
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: aims of the Palestinian militants and also the global jihadis
• 27:41
  Speaker 11: to cause as many massivili incasionally so as they could.
• 27:44
  Speaker 11: And actually one of the first of those atrocities was
• 27:46
  Speaker 11: the bombing of a pizza restaurant during a children's birthday
• 27:50
  Speaker 11: party in West Jerusalem. A Melbourne girl, melki Roth, was
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: one of the parents bought in people who lost their lives,
• 27:57
  Speaker 11: so that was where it intensified. September eleven, of course,
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: shattered all previous assumptions. Three thousand people died in one morning.
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: And then you, of course were there in the horrible
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: aftermath of the Balley bombings, when parents were looking for
• 28:15
  Speaker 11: lost children and surfers were looking for their mates.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: So you've got to function Tomorrow night with the Center
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: for Independent Studies with Alexander about the book, tell us
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: look at our viewers got a good sense of the man,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I think because we speak to him every week.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: He's a hell of a character, hard working but enjoys life.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:34
  Speaker 11: Well, one thing I wasn't always aware of was that
• 28:37
  Speaker 11: he was such a petrol head. I knew he'd done
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: a celebrity car race at the Grand Prix or whatever,
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: but I wasn't aware until I researched the book that
• 28:47
  Speaker 11: he'd gone to all the trouble of getting a car
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: driving license, and that he'd done two hundred and fifty
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: klometers per hour behind the wheel on practice circuit. I mean,
• 28:56
  Speaker 11: that's a bit of a daredevil's streak. Doesn't really fit
• 28:58
  Speaker 11: with with the image of a usty stuff shirt conservative, does.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: It in my experience, Duny if Alexander's got a V
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: eight and office.
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: You will lift grab an uber. It's less stress. Thanks
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: for joining us, mate, it is as I really enjoyed it.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Even though I lived through a lot of this myself,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: the early period, I didn't know as much about, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: apart from giving us a great picture of Alexander Dawna,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: it's just such a great historical analysis of such a
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: dramatic period in foreign affairs.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us.
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: Thanks so much.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Tony Parkinson, there is the author and that events with
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: the Center for Independent Studies tomorrow night. Jump onto their
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: website if you want to get involved. We've got to
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: take a break. On the other side, we're going to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: have a look at the economy. It's in real strife.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: The missing ingredient at the moment is productivity. How do
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: we boost that for a more prosperous future? Business leader
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Tony Shepherd will join me. I want to get some
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: insights into the economy. We're probably going to hear about
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: more interest rate rises tomorrow because inflation is not under control.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: But I want to talk about productivity and how this
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: country is going backwards.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I thought who better to talk to than Tony Shepherd.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: He's currently chairman of the Entertainment Quarter in New South Wales,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: but he's been a leading businessman in infrastructure and with
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: the Business Council and with an audit commission for the
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Abbott government.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: He joins me on the desk, Tony, always good to
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: talk to you this country.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: If we want to beat inflation and get our deficits
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: under control and have a prosperous future, surely we need
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: to be more productive. And it's the one thing that
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: our government at least or politicians generally don't seem to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: be talking about. How can we boost productivity?
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: Well, I think we've first of all, we've got to
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: recognize that we do have a serious problem on productivity
• 30:41
  Speaker 13: and it's actually dropping and it's dropping way below what
• 30:45
  Speaker 13: it was twenty years ago, and we've got to look
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: at why is that occurring? And we have lost the
• 30:51
  Speaker 13: edge that we had. Now we're still a great country,
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: sure and we're still a prosperous country, but we are
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: going south. The cost of living is going up, inflation's
• 31:01
  Speaker 13: going up, productivity is going down and we need to
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: do something about it because that's what builds our prosperity,
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: that's what bills, real wages, that's what creates the future
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: for us and our children and in my case, my grandchildren,
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: which is by far the most important thing in my life.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: We're the wrong direction because we hear that the public service,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: federal public service has grown twenty five percent under the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: labor government. We keep hearing about the push for more
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: and more people just to have the right to work
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: from home.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: There's even talk now about people working four day week
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: getting paid for five.
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: It is absolutely ridiculous. Could you imagine that means the
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: company is losing one out of five days a week
• 31:45
  Speaker 13: it's paying for and it has to recover that cost
• 31:49
  Speaker 13: and it's got to fill in the gap in terms
• 31:52
  Speaker 13: of getting that work that was going to get done.
• 31:55
  Speaker 13: So it is an enemy of productivity, and productivity is
• 31:59
  Speaker 13: the foundation of a country doing well and growing economically.
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: And Australia in the eighties and then in the nineties
• 32:09
  Speaker 13: and the noughties shot the lights out in productivity.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: We went.
• 32:14
  Speaker 13: And that was under the leadership of people like you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: like John Howard and what have you, but also Bob
• 32:22
  Speaker 13: Hawk terrific and they really set us going and we
• 32:28
  Speaker 13: lived through an era, a golden age of this country
• 32:32
  Speaker 13: just getting better every year got better. Now we can
• 32:36
  Speaker 13: go back to that. The fundamentals are still there, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: we've got to make some correction. As you say, I mean,
• 32:41
  Speaker 13: how could you pay people for five days and they're
• 32:44
  Speaker 13: working for who pays for that? The consumer? It goes
• 32:48
  Speaker 13: on to the go as CPI, and then we come
• 32:51
  Speaker 13: even less competitive and we go backwards as a country.
• 32:56
  Speaker 13: The thing that's really keeping us well established moment is
• 33:00
  Speaker 13: the resources sector, which are constantly vilified. But I'll tell
• 33:04
  Speaker 13: you what. They're paying their way now and they're keeping
• 33:07
  Speaker 13: our economy moving, but we.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Need to be more collapsing.
• 33:11
  Speaker 13: The manufacturing now is a fraction of what it used
• 33:14
  Speaker 13: to be. So here's the country thousands of miles or
• 33:19
  Speaker 13: kilometers from everybody, and it's relying heavily on imports now
• 33:25
  Speaker 13: because manufacturing is a fraction of what it was. It's
• 33:30
  Speaker 13: down around five or six percent of something of GDP,
• 33:33
  Speaker 13: and we are importing everything we need on long supply chains,
• 33:40
  Speaker 13: many of them quite strategic in many respects as well,
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: and we're paying through the nose for that and we've
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: lost that capacity. So in the event of a war
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: and there was a shutdown, Australia couldn't even feed itself
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: half or a little oone supply itself. The government talks.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: About building more things here building things in Australia. It's
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: only solution seems to be to throw money at subsidies.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Surely the two big inputs where government reform could help
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: getting energy costs down, because energy is crippling in this country.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: And secondly, labor market not not paying people less but
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: at least allowing for more flexibility.
• 34:18
  Speaker 13: I agree, the cost of electricity for their consumer business
• 34:23
  Speaker 13: and the domestic has gone up by over thirty percent.
• 34:27
  Speaker 13: That is a massive increase and you use that enormously
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: in industry, So the cost of goods has gone up,
• 34:33
  Speaker 13: and so we've really got to work on getting the
• 34:35
  Speaker 13: cost of electricity down.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: We need skills. We're short of skills.
• 34:40
  Speaker 13: We should have mathematics as compulsory and the HSC because
• 34:45
  Speaker 13: we need you don't have to be the world's best
• 34:47
  Speaker 13: scientist and everything, but at least do fundamental mathematics and
• 34:50
  Speaker 13: you can work in any job.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 34:53
  Speaker 13: But we are short of people with that technical expertise.
• 34:57
  Speaker 13: And I still have a lot to do with the
• 34:58
  Speaker 13: construction industry, and finding the qualified people is getting harder
• 35:02
  Speaker 13: and harder.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: I could talk to you for ages on this stuff.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: But the final question, because we don't have much time.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: I know that you started in the public service, so
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: you're not against the public service. And you've just talked
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: about how labor can be reforming when it comes to
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the economy, so they can. Surely this current labor government
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: needs to do two things. One is not keep expanding
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the public sector. We should be able to do plenty
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: with the public servance we have already. And secondly, you
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: shouldn't maybe having this debate about what we need to
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: do to make ourselves more productive and.
• 35:33
  Speaker 13: See what we should do an idea to report for
• 35:35
  Speaker 13: the previous liberal government in New South Wales and modern
• 35:38
  Speaker 13: manufacturing which is dying, and I said the number one
• 35:43
  Speaker 13: thing is the government procurement should go in the support
• 35:47
  Speaker 13: of new companies setting up in Australia to supply high
• 35:51
  Speaker 13: tech because once you've got a government contract, your ability
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: to sell offshore improves dramatically because people say, well, look
• 36:01
  Speaker 13: at the New South Wales government is buying this. This
• 36:04
  Speaker 13: must be good material. It means it's we've got sovereign
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: risk of zero basically, and this is what America does
• 36:12
  Speaker 13: America does through their defense procurement, they improve the technology
• 36:17
  Speaker 13: and the capacity of manufacturing in the United States dramatically.
• 36:22
  Speaker 13: They use their procurement to grow their economy. What a
• 36:27
  Speaker 13: novel concept.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Such common sense, isn't it. Thanks so much for joining us, Tony.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Tony Shepard there with a lot of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: common sense. I wish the government would listen to his
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: idea ideas. We need more of this debate in our
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: national political debate. I want to go to Europe now
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: and catch up with our News Corp Europe correspondent of
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: course Sky News contributor Sophie O's Worth.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: Sophie. Always great to catch up with you.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: I've got to ask you about the latest when it
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: comes to the Epstein files, because so many names have
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: come up in this. There's so many pressure on so
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: many public figures, but number one is the former Prince
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Andrew and there's been a lot of focus on that
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: of course in the UK.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Great to be with you, Chris.
• 37:10
  Speaker 14: Yes, if the royal family thought that the disaster involving
• 37:15
  Speaker 14: former Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein was over, they're mistaken
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: very much so, Chris, because more revelations are coming out,
• 37:25
  Speaker 14: including that picture that has gone around the world of
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: Andrew on all fours lying beside a woman and touching
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: her stomach that was released in the latest tranch of
• 37:36
  Speaker 14: Epstein files. Now there is calls here in London by
• 37:40
  Speaker 14: a Prime Minister, Sakias Starmer, for Andrew Mountbatton Windsor to
• 37:45
  Speaker 14: come forward and give evidence at the US Congress about
• 37:49
  Speaker 14: what he knew in relation to Jeffrey Epstein. So this saga,
• 37:53
  Speaker 14: perhaps the Royal family thought would move on in twenty
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: twenty six, and we're only in the start of February, Chris,
• 37:59
  Speaker 14: and it's just starting up again. And this is a
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: nightmare for King Charles that will continue on this year.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: It's hard to see how it ends right because they
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: shunt him off to Sandringham, keep him out of the
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: public eye.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: They hope it's going to go away, but it ain't
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: going to go away.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: And certainly the Prime Minister isn't going to give him
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: a get out of jail card for it, get out
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  Speaker 2: of jail free card.
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  Speaker 3: Is he wants him to be answerable.
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  Speaker 14: Absolutely, And there are calls Chris for the Met Police
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  Speaker 14: to investigate Andrew mount Button Windsor in December, it was
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  Speaker 14: ruled that the Met Police would not be investigating him
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  Speaker 14: in relation to his ties with Jeffrey Epstein. There is
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  Speaker 14: now pressure on the Met Police to change their tune here.
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: So this is a sorry saga, one that the Royal
• 38:49
  Speaker 14: family cannot shake and a nightmare for Andrew mount Button Windsor,
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  Speaker 14: who continues to make headlines Chris, despite the fact he
• 38:57
  Speaker 14: has been stripped of all these titles and he's been
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  Speaker 14: exiled off to Sandrahamer State, which he will do later
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  Speaker 14: this year.
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  Speaker 3: What an absolute shocker.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in politics, Reformer just going from strength to strength,
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  Speaker 2: aren't they?
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  Speaker 14: Absolutely they are, Chris. Look, the latest poll here that
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: was published on the weekend showed that Reform UK has
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  Speaker 14: thirty two percent of the British vote, ahead of Labor
• 39:23
  Speaker 14: at twenty percent and Conservatives seventeen percent. Now Nigel Farage,
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  Speaker 14: the Reform UK leader, is just winning poll after poll Here, Chris,
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  Speaker 14: the popularity has remained incredibly strong Form UK And interestingly,
• 39:39
  Speaker 14: Chris Sakir Starmer has faced potential leadership challenges in recent weeks.
• 39:46
  Speaker 14: There's been a lot of rumors circulating and speculation that
• 39:50
  Speaker 14: he may face a leadership challenge.
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  Speaker 12: They are a.
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  Speaker 14: Deeply unpopular political party here. The Conservatives are improving under
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  Speaker 14: Kemy Badenoch, but they have a long way to go
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  Speaker 14: and there is no doubt if an election was held
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  Speaker 14: today here in the UK, Chris, Reform UK would win
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  Speaker 14: it hands down.
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  Speaker 15: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: They're getting very very professional too, and some good people
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  Speaker 2: on board. I think one nation might be following their
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  Speaker 2: playbook here in Australia. Just before I let you Go,
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  Speaker 2: Sophie will shotion Pixes pictures here. I wonder if you
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  Speaker 2: can talk us through this brazen robbery in London that
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  Speaker 2: has got a lot of people talking about the state
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  Speaker 2: of law and order there, Chris.
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  Speaker 14: This is extraordinary, this vision that was all over social
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  Speaker 14: media on the weekend of these criminals breaking into this
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  Speaker 14: small business at Richmond upon Thames Saturday morning, ten thirty
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  Speaker 14: in the morning, in broad daylight. They are breaking their
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  Speaker 14: way into the front of this store to steal jewelry
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  Speaker 14: and its images like this vision like this that terrifies
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  Speaker 14: people here in London, Chris. While latest figures showed that
• 40:54
  Speaker 14: crime is on the way down here in London, the
• 40:57
  Speaker 14: public's perception is very different, Chris, and there is no
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  Speaker 14: doubt there are many people here worried about safety in
• 41:04
  Speaker 14: London and that is just an example of what is
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  Speaker 14: going on in this great city. Unfortunately, there is crime
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  Speaker 14: happening before our eyes and it seems that the police
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  Speaker 14: cannot keep on top of it.
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  Speaker 2: Great stuff as ever, Sophie, thank you for braving the
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  Speaker 2: streets of London in the early hours of the morning
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  Speaker 2: there for us, well, not the early hours of the morning,
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  Speaker 2: in the early morning for us, Sophie really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to get to a break now. And on
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  Speaker 3: the other side of that.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: With Gemma and Caroline, one of the things we'll talk
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: about is from the UK, where the BBC has been
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: forced to apologize.
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  Speaker 3: For trying to deny the Jewish element in the Holocaust.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: You won't believe this.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Let us sort out the problems of the world as
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: we do every Monday with Gematon Uni from GT Communication
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: General that read let's do it, and Caroline they're also
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: joining us from a sunny Perth as ever. Look, first up,
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to show both of you something that appeared
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  Speaker 2: on the AB, not the ABC.
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  Speaker 3: That's a Freudian slip on the BBC.
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  Speaker 1: The British equivalent. Last week.
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  Speaker 2: This had a look at how the BBC and I
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: could have shown you, like ten of these clips. I
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: think there's three in this little clip of how they
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: spoke about Holocaust Remembrance Day.
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  Speaker 6: It marks Holocaust Memorial Day, a day for remembering the
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  Speaker 6: six million people who were murdered by the Nazi regime
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  Speaker 6: over eighty years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty seventh of January Holocaust Memorial Day, a day for
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: remembering the six million people who were murdered by the
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  Speaker 3: Nazi regime over eighty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Now today marks Holocaust Memorial Day, a day for remembering
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: the six million people who were murdered by the Nazi
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  Speaker 2: regime over eighty years ago. The horrible Nazi regime killing
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: six million people. Jimmy, is is there a word that
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: was missing there?
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  Speaker 6: I wonder? I mean, what is wrong with this organization?
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: You sort of think that every time you reach a
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: point that of no return, there's another point of no return.
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  Speaker 6: And it's not just a raising history. It's actually more
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  Speaker 6: sinister than that. It's de valuing and diminishing the absolute
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: horror of what was a deliberate extermination program aimed at
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: one race simply because they're Jews. It is diminishing that. Imagine,
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  Speaker 6: for example, if Australians, speaking of our own history with
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: first nations, people said, when the first fleet came to Australia,
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: there was conflict with people.
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  Speaker 9: Already here the mage.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: If we couldn't bring.
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: Ourselves to saying in this Australian's first nation Aboriginal people,
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: imagine the out the justifiable outcry. This is problematic at
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: a deeper level than just the cosmetic of it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: It is close to Holocaust denying it because they're denying
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the essential Jewish element of it.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look here.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: The BBC was forced to apologize because people pointed out
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: how they refused to talk about the Jewish element of
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: the Holocaust.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Now, Caroline, I recently took my children to.
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  Speaker 2: Outswitz berken Elna, and I was at pains to tell
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  Speaker 2: them that apart from trying to exterminate the Jewish race,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: which was the prime aim, yes, political dissidents, disabled people,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: gay people were also slaughtered, but there are a tiny
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: minority compared to the central aim of the Holocaust. This is,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: as Jemma says, this gives you an insight into the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: thinking of the BBC and as deeply worrying.
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  Speaker 15: Well, you're absolutely right, Chris, And I've been to Auschwitz
• 44:34
  Speaker 15: berknow myself, and my grandfather was a prisoner of war
• 44:38
  Speaker 15: in Dresden, not a Jew, but again fell into that
• 44:42
  Speaker 15: group of other groups of people who were captured and
• 44:46
  Speaker 15: held in terrible conditions by the Nazis. But the thing
• 44:49
  Speaker 15: is here, Chris, you know journalism, you and the genera
• 44:52
  Speaker 15: of the journalists here, you know, it's about accuracy. And
• 44:56
  Speaker 15: if you're going to talk about the people, you've got
• 44:58
  Speaker 15: to talk You've got to talk about who was the majority.
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  Speaker 15: And it was about the extermination of Jews largely across Europe,
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: and they came from everywhere across Europe. You know, we
• 45:09
  Speaker 15: talk about the Poles, and we talk about the Ukrainians,
• 45:12
  Speaker 15: but they came from all across or they were sent
• 45:16
  Speaker 15: from all across the continents. Absolutely terrifying the lengths that
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: the Axis went to to to get rid.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: Of the Jewish people.
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: Talk about it in detail, don't just say the people,
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: because there were lots of people, and they had lives
• 45:31
  Speaker 15: and families and all those sorts of things, and that
• 45:34
  Speaker 15: there is incredibly important context when you're talking about something
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  Speaker 15: like this. And Chris, as you would know, and you
• 45:40
  Speaker 15: walk through Auschwitz. You see the room that's full of
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: glasses and full of hair, and full of shoes and
• 45:46
  Speaker 15: all those sorts of things which give you know that
• 45:50
  Speaker 15: that terrible veneer to the human tragedy that actually went
• 45:54
  Speaker 15: on there, because you see the part that is the people.
• 45:57
  Speaker 15: But every time the ABC, the BBC, of my god,
• 46:00
  Speaker 15: I did as well, the BBC does this, They just
• 46:04
  Speaker 15: they just eviscerate every little bit more of their credibility
• 46:09
  Speaker 15: and it's just like they can't stop, and they think
• 46:11
  Speaker 15: somehow in a live broadcast no one's going to notice.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: Well they did. It's sickening stuff.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I want to go to the Australian Race Discrimination Commissioner
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and here's what he's got to say.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say on a.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: BBC Here we go again on an SBEs podcast about
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Australia day. I feel very conflicted when I think about
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: January twenty six because I think, what are we celebrating.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: We're all on stolen land.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: Jemma.
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  Speaker 2: He's the Race Commissioner, he's paid lots of taxpayers dollars
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: to be a unifying figure and he's.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: On a television station that's set up with millions of.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Dollars of taxpayers money to be a unifying figure, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: he's talking about stolen land.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: He's also by that con by that comment in fearing
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: that all Indigenous Australians subscribe to that view, which is
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: not true because no group is homogeneous in their views.
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: And let's extrapolate that out. All right, mate, if you're
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: on stolen land, hands your houseover, get off out of
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: that seat at the SBS studios added all over that.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: Let stop taking the text post it is. She's just
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: taking stolen dollars.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: Possibly, but it doesn't take Australia forward. It doesn't in
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: my view. It's a statement that is immediately excluding. It
• 47:28
  Speaker 6: doesn't take Australia forward. It doesn't. You can two things
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: can be true. Intention we can have a past for
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: which we have rightly apologized for, but also go, We've
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: got a fantastic country and the majority of us who
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: are not obsessed with hurt and not obsessed with things
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: of the past, can acknowledge the wrongs of the past
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: and go, let's go forward together. As an Italian migrant,
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: as an indigenous person, as hundreds of the Iranian diaspora
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: that I met yesterday in Hyde Park, grateful Australians worried
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: about the people they left, all.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Being educated in stolen schools and cared for in stolen hospitals.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: It's it's ridiculous. We're nearly out of time, Caroline.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: But as the West Australian President of the Liberal Party,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you must be very hopeful that Susan Lee and David
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Little Proud can stitch the coalition back together tonight.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Is it going to be possible to do that in
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: one night?
• 48:23
  Speaker 15: Oh well, let's hope so.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: And look it's been.
• 48:26
  Speaker 15: It's been pretty untidy and pretty unedifying over the last
• 48:30
  Speaker 15: week or so. But you know, the boat does not
• 48:33
  Speaker 15: go forward when you're sitting there, you know, saying who
• 48:35
  Speaker 15: you don't want to sit on the quadrangle with for lunch.
• 48:37
  Speaker 15: So I think it's best that everyone just sorts themselves
• 48:41
  Speaker 15: out and everyone gets on with it, because ultimately the
• 48:44
  Speaker 15: opposition is the Labor Party.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, get together and fight for the country. This
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: would be a good thing. Thanks for joining us, Caroline
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: and Jemmy.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I'm doing it every Monday, talking uncommon common sense with
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: us here every Monday.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: That's all the time we've got for you.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Peter Quidlin, m HM
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  Speaker 4: HM