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DONKEY: Sigma Nursing CEO Terminated After Caught Using Racial Slurs · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: It's time for donkey of the day.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of donkeys out here.
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  Speaker 1: It really caught me off guard.
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  Speaker 2: We live a life where we bite our tongue based
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  Speaker 2: off who we may offend. We never would say it.
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  Speaker 2: You are a donkey.
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  Speaker 1: That is why Charlemagne is here.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Some donkey of the days just saw themselves. On the
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. Okay, Chalamet, who you giving donkey of the
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  Speaker 1: day to today? You know, hold on, I'm flushing. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's disgusting. How's it disgusting to floss? It's disgusting not
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  Speaker 1: to floss.
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  Speaker 2: Donkey of the day for Thursday, September 24th goes to
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  Speaker 2: a man named Lucas Davis. He was the CEO of
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  Speaker 2: an Indianapolis-based company called Sigma Nursing, and he's been fired, terminated, discharged, dismissed,
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  Speaker 2: relieved of.
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  Speaker 1: Duties, because he was accused of saying racial slurs.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I saw this story on Fox 59 in Indianapolis,
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  Speaker 2: and it connected to Therese Garnier.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go to her for the report, please.
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  Speaker 2: This is Lucas M.
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  Speaker 1: Davis, CEO of Sigma Nursing, an international nursing honor society
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  Speaker 1: with more than 150.
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  Speaker 3: And according to his own professional profile, Lucas is a
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  Speaker 3: diversity champion, passionate about upholding human rights and uncovering unconscious bias.
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  Speaker 3: These are private messages provided to me and attributed to Lucas.
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  Speaker 3: The black man in this conversation said that it started
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  Speaker 3: off sexually, but then Lucas allegedly told him that he
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  Speaker 3: was married.
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  Speaker 1: And then things went from sexy talk to... And I'm
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  Speaker 1: keeping them a slave.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody come get your CEO. Now, before anybody says, maybe
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  Speaker 3: it was just a fantasy.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: About that. Like, yeah, I like to keep, you know,
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  Speaker 1: black boys a slave. I've had it before.
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  Speaker 2: I've done it before.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so apparently this wasn't his first trip to the plantation.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. For hell.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, listen, I was always taught that your
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  Speaker 2: talent will take you where your character can't sustain you. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you can try to change, but that's just the top layer, man.
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  Speaker 2: You was who you was before you got here, okay? Lucas,
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  Speaker 2: you climbed all the way up the corporate ladder to
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  Speaker 2: become a CEO only to get knocked off the ladder
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  Speaker 2: by your own prejudices and, I guess, sexual desires, okay? See,
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  Speaker 2: that's what never really comes through in your interviews for
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  Speaker 2: these positions, all right? Like, you know, you can do
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  Speaker 2: your background checks, your performance reviews. You can navigate all that.
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  Speaker 2: But if you are used to referring to black people
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  Speaker 2: as the N-word, then guess what? Eventually, you will get
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  Speaker 2: caught calling a black person the N-word, okay? I don't
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  Speaker 2: care about your executive leadership. I don't care about your MBA.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you probably got rid of the DEI seminar.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care about none of that. Eventually, CEO or not,
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  Speaker 2: if calling people to N-word is in you, it's going
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  Speaker 2: to come out of you. And the irony of you
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  Speaker 2: being the CEO of Sigma Nursing, an organization whose stated
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  Speaker 2: values include love, courage, and honor.
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  Speaker 1: Love, courage, and honor. Three traits you need when you
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  Speaker 1: are a CEO.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I want to discuss this morning. You know,
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  Speaker 2: being the CEO. When you are the CEO, this isn't
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  Speaker 2: just about somebody saying an offensive word.
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  Speaker 1: CEOs have the power, okay?
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  Speaker 2: And this is how things like racial discrimination happen. If
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  Speaker 2: you ever question how racism... can still affect workplaces when
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows you're not supposed to discriminate. It's because discrimination
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  Speaker 2: doesn't always introduce itself, okay? Racism doesn't walk into the
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  Speaker 2: office wearing a white hood, okay? Sometimes it walks in
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  Speaker 2: wearing a suit. Sometimes it has an executive title. Sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's deciding who gets hired. Who gets promoted? Who gets mentored?
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  Speaker 2: Who gets paid what? Who gets another opportunity after making
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  Speaker 2: a mistake, okay? Who gets described as passionate? And who
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  Speaker 2: gets described as aggressive, okay? Who is considered leadership material?
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  Speaker 2: Who somehow is never the right fit? That's why what
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  Speaker 2: people in positions of power say and feel privately matters
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  Speaker 2: because they decide all of that, okay? Because if you
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  Speaker 2: allegedly talk about a group of people one way when
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  Speaker 2: they're not around... People have every right to wonder, does
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  Speaker 2: that attitude disappear when you get to work?
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  Speaker 1: The answer is probably nope.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, does it disappear when a black employee's resume lands
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  Speaker 2: on your desk?
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  Speaker 1: Probably not. All right, does it disappear during salary negotiations?
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  Speaker 2: Does it disappear when two employees of two different races
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  Speaker 2: make the same mistake and you're deciding who deserves another chance?
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  Speaker 2: Does it disappear when you're... deciding who's ready for management.
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  Speaker 2: That's the uncomfortable part about discrimination, people. OK, you just
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  Speaker 2: never know.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Somebody doesn't have to call.
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  Speaker 2: You the N-word to your face to potentially discriminate against you. OK,
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  Speaker 2: bias can smile at you. Bias might shake your hand.
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  Speaker 2: Bias might even tell you they enjoyed interviewing you. And
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  Speaker 2: then bias can tell you, we decided to go in
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  Speaker 2: another direction though.
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  Speaker 1: And you can be.
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  Speaker 2: Overqualified for the position and walk around wondering what qualifications
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  Speaker 2: you were missing.
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  Speaker 1: And you probably weren't missing any.
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  Speaker 2: Hidden prejudice in somebody with power is more consequential than
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  Speaker 2: some random racist yelling the N-word in the street, okay?
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  Speaker 2: A random racist can ruin your afternoon, but a racist
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  Speaker 2: with institutional power can ruin your life, okay?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: Now, I'm not saying every person who has ever said
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  Speaker 2: something racist automatically... you know, discriminated against somebody professionally. But
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  Speaker 2: when allegations like this surface about somebody who had that
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  Speaker 2: much authority, it creates a legitimate question about judgment and
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  Speaker 2: trust because your private beliefs.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they don't, you know, clock out when you
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  Speaker 1: clock in. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Character isn't just what you say when the microphone is on.
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  Speaker 2: Character is what you're comfortable saying when you think the
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  Speaker 2: mic is off. And if you're fortunate enough to reach
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  Speaker 2: a position where your decisions can affect thousands of people
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  Speaker 2: understand something okay you got to protect that all right
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  Speaker 2: the higher you climb the more your judgment matters okay
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  Speaker 2: you want the title you want the authority you want
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  Speaker 2: that money all right you want those three letters after
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  Speaker 2: your name ceo then you got to inherit the responsibility
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  Speaker 2: that comes with them all right lucas davis spent an
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  Speaker 2: entire career getting those three letters and according to sigma
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  Speaker 2: after its investigation the.
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  Speaker 1: Board unanimously decided he shouldn't have those three.
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  Speaker 2: Letters anymore So please, give former Sigma Nursing CEO Lucas
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  Speaker 2: Davis the biggest e-haw.
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  Speaker 3: Hey.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. You can't run from yourself. You cannot run
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  Speaker 1: from yourself. Well, thank you for that donkey today. Now,
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