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August 14, 2026 | Mangione Plea/ Muslim Accommodation / Polling Inaccuracies · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 1: Hot Topics in the news and wisdom from life. It's
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Speaker 1: Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher.
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Speaker 2: This is eminem Extra Happy Friday. It's kind of sad
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Speaker 2: to start a Friday with some breaking news about evil.
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Speaker 2: Remember the movie Resident Evil. There's a lot of evil
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Speaker 2: that has taken residence all around us. I'm Mike Gallagher,
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Speaker 2: He's Mark Davis and Mark. Before we get into some
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Speaker 2: of the hot topics and sling around some strong opinions,
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Speaker 2: Luigi Mangione just laid out here in New York City,
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Speaker 2: in a Manhattan courtroom, his very well calculated, concentrated, meticulous
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Speaker 2: a process of stalking and hunting down and murdering Brian
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Speaker 3: No, it's perfect.
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Speaker 4: I was literally in the seconds leading up, I was
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Speaker 4: watching the breaking news and his defense attorneys out front
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Speaker 4: saying to this guilty plea, should somehow protect this this
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Speaker 4: monster from double jeopardy and some level of state chartment.
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Speaker 3: But maybe there's something you've been able better than I am.
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Speaker 3: As I've been juggling.
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Speaker 4: Three or four things. He read something he admitted to.
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Speaker 4: It's a guilty plea, it's a full admission. What kind
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Speaker 4: of detail did he go into about the stalking of
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Speaker 4: Brian Thompson?
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Speaker 2: And you want you won't believe what this kid just
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Speaker 2: laid out. And I say kid, Perjeorge, you know he's
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Speaker 2: not a kid. He's an adult. He's a young man,
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Speaker 2: and he basically, and I'll read it to you here
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Speaker 2: in just a moment. I'm waiting for the actual text
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Speaker 2: to come in on my printer. But he basically said
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Speaker 2: that he suffered suffered from debilitating back pain from a
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Speaker 2: botched surgery, he claims, and he learned about this healthcare
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Speaker 2: conference that was taking place in New York City. And
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Speaker 2: he lays out before the judge and in the courtroom,
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Speaker 2: how he researched this conference in Manhattan, how he got it.
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Speaker 2: He created He had a gun made from a He
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Speaker 2: created one of those three D guns. I still don't
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Speaker 2: quite fully grasp how those things work. You can make
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Speaker 2: like a hand a homemade gun using like three D technology.
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Speaker 2: And he made the gun, he bought the ticket, he researched,
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Speaker 2: and he stalked Brian Thompson, the United Healthcare CEO. And
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Speaker 2: at about six thirty in the morning, as that United
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Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO was walking down sixth Avenue, a block that
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Speaker 2: I've been on a million times. I know right where
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Speaker 2: that stretch is, Luig Mangione crept up behind him and
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Speaker 2: pumped him full of bullets from behind and slaughtered him.
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Speaker 2: So says the the cause, celeb of the loony left
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Speaker 2: and the violent radicals and the progressives, LUISG. Mangione in
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Speaker 2: pleading guilty to murdering Brian Thompson. And you're right, Mark,
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Speaker 2: I think there's a legal maneuver here because he was
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Speaker 2: facing federal and state charges eventually, and there's a there's
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Speaker 2: a calculation, it is believed that he's trying to avoid
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Speaker 2: the state charges by pleading guilty because if he gets
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Speaker 2: a guilty verdict and gets sentenced to a federal penitentiary,
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Speaker 2: that's a cushier life for him than having to go
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Speaker 2: to some state penitentiary somewhere here in New York State.
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Speaker 4: It's I wondered why, because you usually you don't get
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Speaker 4: defendants so in such a detailed and graphic fashion admitting
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Speaker 4: to exactly what they did, unless it is to avoid
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Speaker 4: an even darker fate that would have come from the
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Speaker 4: alternative behavior. But what do we say? Every once in
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Speaker 4: a while, there's a story that gives us the occasion
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Speaker 4: to once again repeat that evil absolutely exists. And as
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Speaker 4: you described to me, his back pain, Okay, I get it.
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Speaker 4: You know you had back pain, kill anybody? Yeah, thank
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Speaker 4: God for the relief factor. Maybe we'd all be out on
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Speaker 4: the streets, you know, mowing people down because pain makes
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Speaker 4: you do that. It doesn't there's something missing in his soul.
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Speaker 4: There was something and I the human condition fascinates me,
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Speaker 4: and something morbidly fascinates me a lot of times, the
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Speaker 4: notion of what what was it in him that we
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Speaker 4: can all understand the frustrations? Listen, who doesn't have a
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Speaker 4: story or two or ten about the frustrations of dealing
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Speaker 4: with a healthcare provider?
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Speaker 2: Please?
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Speaker 4: I could fill up a couple of episodes. But it
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Speaker 4: never made me want to kill someone. So just what happened,
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Speaker 4: what breaks what snaps in someone?
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Speaker 3: To where that happens.
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Speaker 2: Here's here's here's what is fascinating to me. He's he's
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Speaker 2: an evil monster. He is a confirmed evil monster. He's
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Speaker 2: a self admitted evil monster. But Mark, you have to
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Speaker 2: know that every day he has a support group. Every
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Speaker 2: day outside the courtroom is a group of supporters. In fact,
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Speaker 2: one white woman was quoted in the article that I'm
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Speaker 2: going to read to you here in just a moment
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Speaker 2: as saying, I don't care if he did it or not.
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Speaker 2: I support him. He has created an important conversation that
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Speaker 2: we need to have. Oh yeah, this is their mindset. This,
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Speaker 2: this is the way these lunatics feel, This is what
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Speaker 2: they believe. This is so here, it is jaw dropping
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Speaker 2: courtroom confession. Luigi pleaded guilty moments ago, and he said
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Speaker 2: in a statement, after years of enduring severe pain in
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Speaker 2: my back and seeing others too, I learned United Health
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Speaker 2: would hold its conference. I researched the event online. I
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Speaker 2: observed the conference of the largest healthcare company would be
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Speaker 2: attended by executives, not doctors, nurses, or patients. I traveled
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Speaker 2: to Manhattan. I emailed leadership, posing as an investor managing
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Speaker 2: fifty eight billion dollars. Before traveling to New York, I
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Speaker 2: used a three D printer to make a gun. I
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Speaker 2: traveled to New York with the intent to shoot Brian Thompson.
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Speaker 2: On the morning morning of December fourth, twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: I shot mister Thompson in Manhattan. I knew what I
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Speaker 2: was doing. Now his lawyers are saying he's prepared, obviously
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Speaker 2: to plead guilty, a stunning turnaround, because he had been
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Speaker 2: maintaining his innocence. Listen to this. A white woman supporting
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Speaker 2: Mangione outside the courthouse this morning, said, and I quote,
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Speaker 2: I support Luigi whether or not he did it, So
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Speaker 2: for me, I always knew this could be on the table,
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Speaker 2: so I wouldn't really be phased by it. This is
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Speaker 2: about a movement. It is about Luigi, but it's also
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Speaker 2: about the conversation he started. Mark, she's not alone.
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Speaker 4: She's no, she's not. It's funny because if we're making
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Speaker 4: a list of things to be stunned by, that one
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Speaker 4: person could be guided by frustrations to be so murderous.
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Speaker 4: There there's one thing. And then let's get to his
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Speaker 4: fan club, which is vast and twisted and weird and
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Speaker 4: an executlary of what you've just described. Because it's about
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Speaker 4: it's about the movement. It's about the conversation. Because if
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Speaker 4: you start a conversation that people want to have, or
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Speaker 4: a movement that people want to join, apparently cold blooded
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Speaker 4: murder is okay.
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Speaker 2: It's a movement. The movement means if you're if you're
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Speaker 2: angry at an industry, well you slaughter the guy who's
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Speaker 2: in charge of the industry. Sure, and you're going to
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Speaker 2: start a conversation. Starts a conversation, Let's have a dialogue.
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Speaker 2: I don't like I don't like the price at the
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Speaker 2: grocery store. So I'm going to go down to the
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Speaker 2: to the local grocer. I'm going to find the manager
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Speaker 2: and I'm going to put a bullet in his head
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Speaker 2: and then we can have a good robust conversation about
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Speaker 2: the price of eggs.
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Speaker 4: Hey, there's a way to start it.
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Speaker 2: You have that conversation. These people are and they're not lunatics.
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Speaker 2: They're evil.
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Speaker 4: They're exactly evil, marks crazy and there's evil, correct, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I just don't dismiss them as being mentally ill.
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Speaker 2: So sadly, there's the way we needed to start the
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Speaker 2: hour today on on M and M Extra, and we
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Speaker 2: all welcome you in. I have to get let me
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Speaker 2: lighten the mood a little bit. I told you I
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Speaker 2: came to New York to shoot part of a documentary
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Speaker 2: on the on the life and the legacy of the
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Speaker 2: great Charlie Kirk. And shortly after our podcast today, we're
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Speaker 2: going to go into the studios and and and film
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Speaker 2: that and shoot that for presentation later on Salem News Channel.
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Speaker 2: Of course, you know me, Theodore Mike. I can't come
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Speaker 2: into New York without seeing a show or.
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Speaker 4: Two or totally what's what's what's on what's on the schedule.
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Speaker 2: Well, I decided to finally break down and go to
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Speaker 2: this Phantom of the opera immersive productions called Masquerade. And
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Speaker 2: it's the legacy musical that everybody probably has seen or
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Speaker 2: heard about film Zico. Good for you. You'd be great.
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Speaker 4: Never never seen it, but I know.
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Speaker 2: That I'd be the I'd be the good formerly fat
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Speaker 2: opera singer. You know, you go, the Luciano Pavarotti guy.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, it's a great musical and there's there's some
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Speaker 2: kind of an immersive experience. I don't even understand how
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Speaker 2: it works. You've got to you walk from room to room,
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Speaker 2: and the performers, who are all bona fide legitimate Broadway
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Speaker 2: performers it's technically off Broadway are in the room with
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Speaker 2: you performing scenes and your injines away from them. It's
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Speaker 2: kind of an I don't know. I can't even visualize
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Speaker 2: what it's about. But here, but here's the reason I
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Speaker 2: don't know. Tell me about it. Do I get to
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Speaker 2: take Christine across the lake and light the candles?
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Speaker 5: And in that extra yeah? Does that actually? Do have
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Speaker 5: to row the boat that the phantom now immersive. Is
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Speaker 5: it that can I'll tell you all about it Monday.
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Speaker 5: But anyway, so I'm going this weekend and I'm reading
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Speaker 5: through the ticket requirements. You're gonna love this. And there's
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Speaker 5: a point to this theater story. This is a very
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Speaker 5: unconventional thing.
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Speaker 2: And you go in like every fifteen minutes or so,
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Speaker 2: and then they have like rounds of audiences. I don't
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Speaker 2: I don't even understand how this is gonna work. I
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Speaker 2: know you're supposed to have a mask, and I'll be
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Speaker 2: damned if I'm gonna go out and buy a mask
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Speaker 2: to go to a show.
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Speaker 4: But in right, and it's not COVID. It's a it's
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Speaker 4: a it's a like a mask.
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Speaker 2: No no, no, no no, like the mask at the Phantom,
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Speaker 2: like you put over your eyes, you know, like the
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Speaker 2: ballroom of a masquerade ball. But you have to wear it,
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Speaker 2: you gotta. They don't let you go to the show
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Speaker 2: without wearing one if you don't bring your own. And funny,
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Speaker 2: I don't have one in my bag. I just hack
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Speaker 2: one dog dog gout it. I always forget something. I
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Speaker 2: left it at home, this time razor toothpaste. So a
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Speaker 2: phantom mask, phantom. They're gonna give me one at the door. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think it's part of Well, the ticket ain't cheap.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they've included it in the two hundred and
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Speaker 2: ninety dollars ticket price to go see here you are,
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Speaker 2: So anyway, I'm gonna have the mask on. And it's
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Speaker 2: a little unconvinced way they do ticketing. Now, do tell
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Speaker 2: check this out. They're gonna they sent me an email
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Speaker 2: with a password. The password is the ticket. However, of
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Speaker 2: course that doesn't make a lot of sense because anybody
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Speaker 2: I could send the password to you and Lisa, and
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Speaker 2: if you're in New York, before you know it, you
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Speaker 2: and Lisa take my ticket, right and you just use
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Speaker 2: the password peanut butter whatever the password is, right right. Well,
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Speaker 2: they have a way of verifying that you are who
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Speaker 2: you say you are, and that is, oh, you gotta
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Speaker 2: have a photo ID. You've got to show a photo ID.
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Speaker 4: But to wait, they that really you've got So you
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Speaker 4: could almost say that you have to prove that you
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Speaker 4: are who you say you are in order to get
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Speaker 4: into the Phantom Immersive Experience.
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Speaker 2: Yes, in order to see an off Broadway show here
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Speaker 2: in New York City, you must present a photo identification
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Speaker 2: in order to be admitted, because after all, all hell
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Speaker 2: would break loose, there'd be chaos, there'd be anarchy. Course,
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Speaker 2: you gotta have so. But but then I I harkened
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Speaker 2: back to that fateful day in November of twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 2: when I was living here in New York full time,
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Speaker 2: and I stupidly showed up to cast my vote for
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Speaker 2: President Donald J. Trump. And I pulled out my wallet
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Speaker 2: at the polling place and started to present the lady
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Speaker 2: my driver's license. She laughed at me, sheboy mocked me.
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Speaker 2: She said, we don't require ID here to vote. I
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Speaker 2: almost figured she'd say, what do you think you're in Texas?
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Speaker 2: You don't do that here. Exactly, you don't need an
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Speaker 2: ID to vote, and you still don't need an ID
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Speaker 2: to vote because these gutless wonders on Capitol Hill went
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Speaker 2: home for recess and they didn't pass the Same America Act.
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Speaker 4: I will now be waiting for the New York Post
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Speaker 4: or somebody but me, the Times will identify the Phantom
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Speaker 4: Immersive experience as clearly racist, because obviously people of color
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Speaker 4: are not welcome here, because, as we've been told countlessly
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Speaker 4: by these by these people, people of color are just
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Speaker 4: simply not to have any idea.
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Speaker 2: And New York seniors obviously are going to be discriminated against.
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Speaker 2: They're disenfranchised. If you're a senior, you don't have an ID.
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Speaker 2: You don't They may have to change their name to
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Speaker 2: get to the married name, or the or the or
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Speaker 2: the maiden name. I mean that's the other Oh, it's
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Speaker 2: a it's a. This is a nick humanity. I can't
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Speaker 2: believe I'm participating in such a horrifically discriminatory event. Oh
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Speaker 2: my gosh, Mark every single day, every day, every story.
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Speaker 2: Two stories out of well, three stories out of Texas. Really,
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Speaker 2: All right, three stories. Let's let's start with the Muslim
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Speaker 2: foot washing, because you and I had a little bit
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Speaker 2: of a disagreement this morning on your show, and I
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Speaker 2: refer to that disagreement because I said that now that
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Speaker 2: they're going to apparently be you know, building or creating
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Speaker 2: these Muslim footbaths in the men's room and the ladies
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Speaker 2: room at Terminal D at the DFW Airport, I said, well,
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Speaker 2: then now it's time for a synagogue or a Christian chapel.
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Speaker 2: Now it's time for a place of worship for people
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Speaker 2: who don't happen to be Muslim. And you said, well,
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Speaker 2: that's kind of not apples to apples. I think it
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Speaker 2: is exactly apples to apples, and I'll start the little
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Speaker 2: fred and maybe you see it differently now that you've
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Speaker 2: had some time to think about it. I saw the
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Speaker 2: news reporting at Fox News that points out that these
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Speaker 2: woodoo stations wudu, these stations that will be installed in
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Speaker 2: men's and women's restrooms in Terminal D give Muslim travel
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Speaker 2: I'm just reading this verbatim from voxnews dot com give
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Speaker 2: Muslim travelers a dedicated place to perform ritual washing before prayer.
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Speaker 2: This is a ritual. This is not a hygiene issue.
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Speaker 2: This is not somebody who says it's time for me
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Speaker 2: to wash my feet because I have my feet are dirty.
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Speaker 2: Is This is part of prayer. This is part of
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Speaker 2: how they pray and worship and express their faith. And
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Speaker 2: I just was kind of surprised that you didn't agree
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Speaker 2: with me this morning that it would be exactly the
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Speaker 2: same to demand a Christian chapel or a synagogue or
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Speaker 2: or a temple in the middle of the airport. To me,
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Speaker 2: it is apples to apples. Mark.
19:29
Speaker 4: This may shock you, but every once in a while
19:31
Speaker 4: I will overanalyze something. And so while a chapel and
19:35
Speaker 4: a restroom are different, but you are still right because
19:39
Speaker 4: it's a religious a commendation. And you know, while and
19:45
Speaker 4: here's something I learned two things while on my journey
19:48
Speaker 4: to ultimately saying this is just a bad idea. There's
19:51
Speaker 4: no reason to have it. We don't need third world
19:54
Speaker 4: accouter malls in the men's and women's room at Terminal
19:58
Speaker 4: D at DFW in Texas. For fifty plus years, Muslim
20:02
Speaker 4: travelers have managed to make their plane without it. How
20:05
Speaker 4: in the world did that happen? But you know what,
20:07
Speaker 4: guess what are there already? They already have foot washing
20:10
Speaker 4: stations by at least a couple of the existing chapels.
20:15
Speaker 4: Whoa hello. And I also thought about what kind of
20:18
Speaker 4: Pandora's box this opens, because you just know somebody, since
20:22
Speaker 4: they can't put Muslims only, and they'd religiously exclude at
20:25
Speaker 4: the foot washing stations even though they are there for
20:29
Speaker 4: those folks of that faith. You know that you know
20:32
Speaker 4: somebody's come up and say, you know what, let me
20:33
Speaker 4: go well wash my feet in here just because I
20:36
Speaker 4: want to, which you'd every right to do. And that
20:38
Speaker 4: probably starts god knows what kind of tension. How about
20:41
Speaker 4: we don't go there at all? How about we don't
20:44
Speaker 4: do this? How about if we don't do that? And
20:46
Speaker 4: so I had State Senator Tan Parker on Texas State
20:49
Speaker 4: Senator Transportation Chairman DFW Airport Authority, and God bless them,
20:55
Speaker 4: great airport. I love it, always have always Will they
20:59
Speaker 4: just fast track this? It lends in our laps. It's
21:02
Speaker 4: a three.
21:02
Speaker 3: Hundred thousand dollars answer from somebody. We have no idea who.
21:07
Speaker 3: They haven't told anybody.
21:08
Speaker 4: He wants to know. He's given them two weeks to say,
21:10
Speaker 4: who's paying for this? How did you arrive at this decision?
21:13
Speaker 4: What kind of precedent does it set? What's the next
21:16
Speaker 4: thing you guys might want to do to change up
21:17
Speaker 4: the airport? All fantastic questions. Within a couple of weeks,
21:21
Speaker 4: we have those answers or not, and I will relate
21:25
Speaker 4: them to the audience on radio and here in the
21:27
Speaker 4: eminem extra.
21:28
Speaker 2: Got here that's so important. I even thought about asking
21:31
Speaker 2: you if you wanted to maybe we could, we could
21:33
Speaker 2: get some heat drawn to minem extra. What if we
21:38
Speaker 2: started a GoFundMe three hundred thousand dollars goal to build
21:41
Speaker 2: a Christian chapel in the middle of the terminal C.
21:45
Speaker 2: But you know what's funny about that, though, I have
21:47
Speaker 2: this feeling if we did that, we'd raised three hundred
21:50
Speaker 2: thousand dollars in about twenty minute a minute, Yeah, exactly.
21:53
Speaker 2: I mean it's crazy. And you know, this goes back
21:57
Speaker 2: to Brandon gil who has this real strong ability to
22:02
Speaker 2: this wonderful clarity talking about continually having people from other cultures,
22:08
Speaker 2: from other countries. He calls it an invasion. Many people do.
22:13
Speaker 2: I'm not quite as I'm not quite as you know,
22:16
Speaker 2: prone to call it an invasion. I do believe in
22:18
Speaker 2: the melting pot. I believe in legal immigration. But you
22:23
Speaker 2: cannot expect to continue to have like we did under Biden,
22:27
Speaker 2: millions and millions of people crossing our borders, unvetted, unvettered,
22:33
Speaker 2: and not have a changing of the culture. And and
22:37
Speaker 2: and so that's I think that's part of it. Brandon
22:39
Speaker 2: Gill is right. What we're sitting seeing right now are
22:43
Speaker 2: the results of you know, open borders.
22:47
Speaker 4: And it makes me wonder if when we learn who
22:50
Speaker 4: this three hundred thousand dollars financier is, was it out
22:53
Speaker 4: of the goodness of somebody's hard in order to add
22:56
Speaker 4: a little bit of a layer of convenience for the
22:58
Speaker 4: Muslim travelers maybe, or is it just something to just
23:02
Speaker 4: put that third world imagery right there in people's faces
23:07
Speaker 4: in North Texas? And and look, it's it's needless. It
23:11
Speaker 4: is needless if we wanted to. And the part about
23:14
Speaker 4: what I was driven by his Look, if somebody needs
23:15
Speaker 4: a religious accommodation, there's a part of me that wants
23:18
Speaker 4: to just kind of be people if it and it's
23:22
Speaker 4: really not ultimately I think I've said that yesterday. But
23:24
Speaker 4: but again you have to keep asking why, why, what's
23:27
Speaker 4: what's move for doing this right? And since there is
23:30
Speaker 4: apparently a foot washing option at the chapel, how about
23:33
Speaker 4: we do that and not jack with the restrooms in
23:36
Speaker 4: terminal d.
23:37
Speaker 2: Well, you know, And going back to Brandon Gil for
23:40
Speaker 2: just a moment, I want to touch upon have you
23:43
Speaker 2: have you seen the new gloves that the ice officers
23:46
Speaker 2: are going to be able to use the taser gloves? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
23:52
Speaker 2: Like Star trek like like taser, but put your phaser
23:55
Speaker 2: gloves on. You get to done, and they're on, and
23:57
Speaker 2: they've stunned people, they're and we sure would.
24:00
Speaker 4: Now those that don't know, it's a glove that has
24:03
Speaker 4: some electrical component to it. And in what circumstances you
24:07
Speaker 4: can't use this if somebody's got a gun trained at you.
24:10
Speaker 4: But I guess the taser, you'd have to take it
24:11
Speaker 4: out and shoot it. It's a glove that it with
24:14
Speaker 4: some button, has a fingertippy palm thing, some surface, some
24:18
Speaker 4: tactile surface. It'll just bring somebody right to their knees,
24:22
Speaker 4: which have two reactions.
24:24
Speaker 2: Number one awesome and number.
24:26
Speaker 3: Two the video of that's gonna be great.
24:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, here we go, you go people dropping
24:34
Speaker 2: like flies. They're gonna be rolling around like fish out
24:38
Speaker 2: of water after they get zapped. I mean, here's what.
24:42
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. If they're like the principle of
24:46
Speaker 2: a of a of a taser, and every law enforcement
24:49
Speaker 2: officer in America has a taser, if it's the same
24:52
Speaker 2: idea that you're stunning somebody, and if part of the
24:56
Speaker 2: problem is that when police get into a fight a fish,
24:59
Speaker 2: a lot of the people a lot of these cops
25:01
Speaker 2: get into fights. They're in street brawls, they're rolling around
25:04
Speaker 2: on the cement with some bad guy who's fighting them.
25:07
Speaker 2: Why haven't local law enforcement agencies use these gloves before?
25:11
Speaker 2: Because I'm thinking they're pretty effective. You're you're fighting somebody
25:16
Speaker 2: and instead of having to pull the taser out of
25:19
Speaker 2: your holster, make sure you're aiming and you're pointing. If
25:22
Speaker 2: you're rolling around with somebody on the cement and you've
25:25
Speaker 2: you've got the gloves on, stunt or whatever you do, boom,
25:29
Speaker 2: that's a that's a good to mind. That's a good
25:31
Speaker 2: to come to mind.
25:32
Speaker 3: How about Alex Pretty on the street to Minneapolis. The
25:36
Speaker 3: lady was in the.
25:37
Speaker 4: Car, and that wouldn't have applied to reach into the
25:39
Speaker 4: car for her. But this was this was a scuffle
25:41
Speaker 4: on the sidewalk. Maybe Alex Pretty would be alive. How
25:44
Speaker 4: about how about electricity? How about do I dare I
25:48
Speaker 4: say it? How about George Floyd? How about George Floyd?
25:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean instead of instead of that officer with
25:55
Speaker 2: his knee in his back. And I've never really understood that.
25:58
Speaker 2: I've never gotten a meet I've never find people get
26:01
Speaker 2: mad at me. Probably you two for saying that, But
26:04
Speaker 2: there's no need for a knee in the back for
26:06
Speaker 2: what was it, nine minutes nues come on, you know,
26:10
Speaker 2: I mean, roll them over, you know something, you know.
26:13
Speaker 2: But but but nonetheless, there's a lot of situations I
26:16
Speaker 2: think that could have been de escalated if maybe maybe
26:19
Speaker 2: this technology is going to take.
26:21
Speaker 4: Because nothing de escalates like when the person who's coming
26:24
Speaker 4: at you is suddenly just you know, flopping like a
26:28
Speaker 4: salmon because they're they're done.
26:31
Speaker 2: Oh like, man, oh man, that's de escalated. That's de escalation.
26:34
Speaker 2: Let's escalate a little bit about the idea of mass migration. Okay,
26:39
Speaker 2: have you heard about the press conference that Hakeem Jeffries
26:42
Speaker 2: put together this week in Morristown, New Jersey to denounce ice.
26:46
Speaker 4: Your only only as far as you say that, as
26:50
Speaker 4: far as the deeper details, I will I'm going to
26:54
Speaker 4: give you a detail.
26:55
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm going to feature a woman that was
26:59
Speaker 2: the centerpiece of this particular press conference. Her name is
27:03
Speaker 2: Margarita Clo Balbuena. Okay, Okay, she's an immigrant. I'll let
27:09
Speaker 2: you guess if she's legal or illegal. All right, she
27:14
Speaker 2: justands she's from Mexico. And she's been in America since
27:19
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. Now, according to my calendar, that puts
27:22
Speaker 2: her here for about thirty seven years, okay, And so
27:26
Speaker 2: they wanted to rail against the Democrats, want to rail
27:29
Speaker 2: against Ice. There are a bunch of fascists, There are
27:31
Speaker 2: a bunch of Nazis. We got abolish Ice. And it's terrible.
27:35
Speaker 2: And let's bring Margarita up to the podium. Margarita has
27:39
Speaker 2: a couple things to say. Margarita is enraged at the
27:44
Speaker 2: mass deportation of her fellow Mexicans. Now, as Margarita is
27:49
Speaker 2: standing at the podium, to her left, nodding approvingly, is
27:53
Speaker 2: Haqim Jeffries, the House Minority Leader. Yes. To her right
27:58
Speaker 2: is her interpreter, because oh yeah, oh yeah, because because Margarita,
28:05
Speaker 2: as you'll hear and see, yeah, apparently doesn't speak a
28:08
Speaker 2: lick of English, has.
28:09
Speaker 4: Not managed to pick up English nearly here since the
28:14
Speaker 4: Bush forty one invents.
28:15
Speaker 2: Right, right, I was twenty nine when she came to America,
28:19
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine. She's been here. But let's listen and
28:24
Speaker 2: watch Margharita Colo Balberino's complaints.
28:32
Speaker 6: Let's be the case. Let's be oca campanas in Cambio
28:35
Speaker 6: and la Lady Migracio parmos present omas and is the
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Speaker 6: pais Daslmigracio. At the rorisadover, I.
28:52
Speaker 7: Asked that U be champions of a change in the
28:55
Speaker 7: immigration laws. We need a path to citizenship for those
28:59
Speaker 7: of us that have been present at least seven years
29:02
Speaker 7: in this country.
29:03
Speaker 1: We need a stop to.
29:04
Speaker 7: These raids that immigration is using to terrorize.
29:08
Speaker 6: Dovers depais is a miss pestos so negosio missing okay,
29:24
Speaker 6: well supering dolor phyico.
29:28
Speaker 7: It is not just that someone like me, who has
29:31
Speaker 7: been in this country since nineteen eighty nine, who pays taxes,
29:35
Speaker 7: who is a homeowner, a business owner, who gives work
29:39
Speaker 7: to others, someone who has children and grandchildren who are
29:43
Speaker 7: born in this country, that I have to suffer the
29:46
Speaker 7: psychological and physical abuse.
29:50
Speaker 6: Masu miason quesu resto bolino la vida don carsel de migracion, and.
29:56
Speaker 7: That I have to also suffer the humiliation that is
29:59
Speaker 7: the islan arrest and attention in an immigration detention center.
30:04
Speaker 2: Margaret, I mean, Mark, you know, I just wow. And
30:07
Speaker 2: now now, first of all, the first thing came to mind.
30:10
Speaker 2: Do you remember the old Saturday Night Live skit when
30:12
Speaker 2: Garrett Morris was going to be.
30:15
Speaker 4: The interpret news headlines for the hearing impaired.
30:18
Speaker 2: The news headlines for the hearing impaired, and the news
30:21
Speaker 2: anchor would say our top story tonight, and then Garrett
30:25
Speaker 2: Morris would say our top story tonight with doubt the
30:29
Speaker 2: ruin exactly. Now. Now, that's what that reminded me of,
30:32
Speaker 2: because the interpreter sounded a lot more angry than Margaritas sounded.
30:38
Speaker 2: She sounded vaguely annoyed.
30:40
Speaker 4: The interpreter was on fire with rage and fuego holy magra.
30:48
Speaker 4: Here for two generations, I haven't managed to pick up
30:52
Speaker 4: hardly an English of English, not a word.
30:54
Speaker 2: And it's funny because.
30:58
Speaker 4: Another example of this, to tail into this, the arguments
31:01
Speaker 4: you make begin to work against you because in describing
31:04
Speaker 4: how she pays taxes, how she creates.
31:07
Speaker 2: Jobs, how.
31:10
Speaker 4: All of this is designed to make her seem like
31:12
Speaker 4: a valuable cog in the American wheel. It's designed to
31:15
Speaker 4: make it look like, wow, she is part of the
31:17
Speaker 4: fabric of America. Well, that fabric of America is torn
31:20
Speaker 4: somewhat by her complete unwillingness to learn the language.
31:24
Speaker 2: Ma'am, refusal to assimilate, Mark, I mean a refusal to assimilate.
31:31
Speaker 2: You don't think over forty nearly forty years you could
31:33
Speaker 2: pick up a word or two of English.
31:35
Speaker 4: Kid, I would think the piggyback on top of that,
31:39
Speaker 4: when somebody says something that then comes back and bites
31:42
Speaker 4: him in the button. Maybe you wanted to go here
31:43
Speaker 4: in a little further to tail is brother Talarico, who
31:48
Speaker 4: you covered it so greatly and I touched on it
31:51
Speaker 4: that I've listened to you do it as well. That
31:53
Speaker 4: this this just creepy quote where he just bags on
31:57
Speaker 4: Texas curricula for daring to tell kids that the Bible
32:00
Speaker 4: exists and that it's important. And with their minds full
32:06
Speaker 4: of mush, they don't know the difference between information and indoctrination.
32:10
Speaker 4: These young people, they're not ready for that. Oh yeah, woke, Opie.
32:15
Speaker 4: Let's talk about young people and whether they're ready for
32:17
Speaker 4: ready to have their genitals crushed because Billy thinks he's
32:20
Speaker 4: a girl. Yeah, you're probably ready to let the kids
32:22
Speaker 4: do that at a young age, aren't you.
32:24
Speaker 2: There's no bet you. There's no objection to sex ed
32:28
Speaker 2: for kindergarteners or first graders. But you left out to me,
32:32
Speaker 2: what is the most important thing about what tall Rico said.
32:35
Speaker 2: And I because the internet connection he was on glitches
32:40
Speaker 2: a little bit toward the end of the clip, and
32:42
Speaker 2: I want to play the clip because it's very important
32:44
Speaker 2: that you hear how he describes the contents of the
32:48
Speaker 2: Holy Bible. This is what matters to me because and
32:51
Speaker 2: this is what's so crucial in what he said on
32:54
Speaker 2: this podcast the other day. Check out Tall Rico, and
32:57
Speaker 2: you got to listen very carefully toward the end, because again,
33:01
Speaker 2: the Internet warbles a little bit, but what he said
33:04
Speaker 2: is very, very significant.
33:07
Speaker 8: And then the last one is maybe the most insidious.
33:10
Speaker 8: It was a new state curriculum that would teach Christian
33:15
Speaker 8: Bible stories as historical fact, as the only truth to
33:19
Speaker 8: our youngest students, and I mean kindergarten first graders. These
33:23
Speaker 8: are kids who aren't able to think for themselves yet,
33:27
Speaker 8: they haven't formed their own world news. And to push propaganda,
33:32
Speaker 8: to push in doctrination on those youngest students is deeply immoral.
33:38
Speaker 2: Push propaganda, Mark, he's considious propaganda, and you're indoctrinating children
33:46
Speaker 2: if they're exposed to the Word of God at an
33:49
Speaker 2: early age. Now, the gashlighting about this guy is epic.
33:53
Speaker 2: It's at all kinds of levels NPR dot Org and
33:55
Speaker 2: National Public Grado and a big story today or no
33:58
Speaker 2: excuse me a few days ago about how faith faith
34:02
Speaker 2: is the centerpiece, a centerpiece of Texas Senate candidate James
34:07
Speaker 2: Tallerico's campaign. He's making faith, he's focusing on biblical reasons
34:15
Speaker 2: to support healthcare and veterans and immigrants. NPR Religion Correspondent
34:21
Speaker 2: Jason Derouz spent time on the tall Rico campaign trail
34:26
Speaker 2: to learn how that message is playing with voters. How's
34:30
Speaker 2: that message playing with Texas voters?
34:31
Speaker 4: Mister Davis, I stub my toe on NPR Religion correspondent. First,
34:37
Speaker 4: First of all, every media outfit, if you want to
34:39
Speaker 4: have a religion correspondent that kind of covers the religion beat,
34:43
Speaker 4: that's great. But you think NPR is covering the religion beat,
34:48
Speaker 4: I mean they're going to be like the Southern Poverty
34:50
Speaker 4: Law Center, finding biblical belief and criminalizing in it every
34:53
Speaker 4: turn and finding somebody like Tallarico who invents stuff on
34:57
Speaker 4: the fly. God is non binary, God's okay with a boy.
35:00
Speaker 4: Jesus requires open borders. Oh that kind of Bible spin
35:04
Speaker 4: that's awesome over at NPR. And so I gotta tell you, Mike,
35:07
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, from listening to me and from
35:10
Speaker 4: talking about and just reading National press, there's a growing
35:13
Speaker 4: murmur in Texas that this guy's.
35:16
Speaker 2: Going to win.
35:16
Speaker 4: And you know, I steadfastly say that he's not. And
35:18
Speaker 4: it's not because I'm resting on the laurels or the
35:20
Speaker 4: landscape just automatically gives it to Paxton. I just believe
35:24
Speaker 4: my state is not going to bend to this and
35:28
Speaker 4: these poisonous, heretical views of this guy. And so you know,
35:33
Speaker 4: we'll see him eighty ish days.
35:36
Speaker 2: Let's talk about pulling for a minute. I spoke to
35:39
Speaker 2: Robert Kahley today, who's the founder of the Trifalger Group,
35:45
Speaker 2: and that's a big polster, a big pulling outfit out
35:48
Speaker 2: of Atlanta, and they were about a point away from
35:54
Speaker 2: being perfect in predicting the outcome of the South Carolina
35:59
Speaker 2: special election that was held this past week to determine,
36:03
Speaker 2: you know, the two people who would be in the runoff,
36:05
Speaker 2: and again they were within one point of each other
36:08
Speaker 2: at one point of the polling finals, and I asked him,
36:12
Speaker 2: does it make you feel like you're sort of embarrassed
36:16
Speaker 2: by your industry, by your pullman. When Wisconsin they had
36:20
Speaker 2: a Francesca hung winning by twenty twenty five twenty nine
36:23
Speaker 2: points Marquette University. You think Marquette University polling would be
36:28
Speaker 2: somewhat credible.
36:30
Speaker 4: They were university.
36:31
Speaker 2: They're not credible. You know what he said? And I
36:33
Speaker 2: asked him, I said, are you embarrassed for your profession?
36:36
Speaker 2: He said, here's the thing. If you live in a
36:38
Speaker 2: town where everybody makes rotten fried chicken, and you come
36:43
Speaker 2: along and you make great fried chicken, you're proud to
36:46
Speaker 2: make the great fried chicken. I love it. He's I
36:49
Speaker 2: love when all these other polling outfits fall apart because
36:52
Speaker 2: he said, they don't do it right. They have an
36:54
Speaker 2: agenda there. And that's the thing about polling. Mark agenda.
36:59
Speaker 2: He was great and he said, you know, we don't.
37:01
Speaker 2: We have no agenda. Our agenda is to get the
37:04
Speaker 2: numbers to the people. But we're not trying to manipulate
37:07
Speaker 2: the electorate with the outcome of a poll. That's what
37:10
Speaker 2: these Tallerico polls are doing. It's got to be And.
37:13
Speaker 4: From Francesca Home to the overpolling it in Michigan. He
37:17
Speaker 4: doesn't win by nearly as much. So it's funny because
37:20
Speaker 4: you can't really load the question. The question is whom
37:22
Speaker 4: do you prefer? A or B it, So you can't
37:25
Speaker 4: really have a push poll type question, and you know,
37:28
Speaker 4: whom do you prefer is a pretty straight up question.
37:30
Speaker 4: So they've got to be jacking with the sample size
37:32
Speaker 4: or the sample the way they talk about or who
37:35
Speaker 4: they're asking. So, how boy, what did you learn? I'd
37:38
Speaker 4: love to know.
37:38
Speaker 2: Well, he addressed the sample size. He said, a lot
37:41
Speaker 2: of these outfits take just several hundred people, and they
37:44
Speaker 2: claim that that's representative of the of the population. He says,
37:48
Speaker 2: we don't pull any we don't do any poll without
37:51
Speaker 2: a minimum of one thousand people as the sampling size.
37:55
Speaker 2: He goes, that's number one. Number two, they use methods
37:58
Speaker 2: that are nineteen nineties. He says, we're not calling people
38:00
Speaker 2: on a landline. How many people have a landline anymore?
38:03
Speaker 2: How many people are going to be able to you know,
38:05
Speaker 2: they don't do that. He goes, We text, we email, Yes,
38:09
Speaker 2: we call, but we also are very very heavy reliant
38:13
Speaker 2: on heavily reliant on texting and emails because a lot
38:16
Speaker 2: of people like to text, but even the texting can
38:19
Speaker 2: be challenging because a lot of people don't want to
38:20
Speaker 2: click on a link that they're not familiar with. So
38:23
Speaker 2: we do a lot of the poll questions in the
38:26
Speaker 2: body of the text rather than ask people to click
38:29
Speaker 2: on a link. And he said, finally, we make it simple.
38:32
Speaker 2: We keep it simple, stupid. We believe in that we
38:34
Speaker 2: do not ask people for thirty minutes of their time
38:37
Speaker 2: with all of these in the weeds questions. We're down
38:40
Speaker 2: and dirty with our questions, with our polling. And again
38:42
Speaker 2: he was right. I looked at the graph. They were
38:44
Speaker 2: within one percentage point of perfectly predicting this week South
38:49
Speaker 2: Carolina special election. Trifalger I've always thought is the gold
38:53
Speaker 2: standard of polling, and it was kind of fun to
38:55
Speaker 2: talk to him today and interview Robert Kahley of Trafalger
39:00
Speaker 2: describe this.
39:01
Speaker 4: Something has just occurred to me because I thought about
39:03
Speaker 4: polling in the nineties, where your phone would ring at
39:06
Speaker 4: dinner time, probably like, oh, let's go see who is it?
39:10
Speaker 4: Oh lord, it's some stupid polster or whatever. I might
39:13
Speaker 4: as well answer some questions, and you probably got like
39:16
Speaker 4: a cross section of annoyed but nonetheless, honest people, Now
39:20
Speaker 4: do you.
39:20
Speaker 3: Know in this room where we have such control over.
39:24
Speaker 4: What calls we take and what text we receive and
39:26
Speaker 4: what we respond to in this user dominated world, which
39:29
Speaker 4: is great, by the way, gives us a lot of control.
39:31
Speaker 4: It means that by definition, every pole contained, no matter
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Speaker 2: I'm really interested in your explanation of this and make
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Speaker 2: because I've been kind of living this story through you vicariously.
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Speaker 4: This little baby now faces the challenge of a heart
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Speaker 4: condition that requires instant surgeries. He was born this week.
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Speaker 4: And as if that's not challenging enough, that would be
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Speaker 4: challenging for a brand new little baby. Can you imagine
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Speaker 4: comedian is who just at one point said how shocking
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Speaker 4: it must be to be born at all you're in
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Speaker 4: the comfiness of the amniotic fluid in the womb that
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, bam, whoa, put me back, WHOA?
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Speaker 2: What's this?
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Speaker 4: It's the outside world. It's challenging enough. Now imagine we're
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Speaker 4: coming at you with a scalpel because we've got to
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Speaker 4: snake something inside your heart and fix your heart. It's
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Speaker 4: a newborn infant. I just can't imagine what this baby's
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Speaker 4: about to go through.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 4: As if that's not enough, put that baby in the
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Speaker 4: clutches of the most questionable of people. And by that
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Speaker 4: I mean these parents I use the termlessly who were
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Speaker 4: the intended parents in a sur arrangement. They live in California,
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Speaker 4: and like some folks do, they say, well, there will
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Speaker 4: see something where mom there couldn't you know, carry a
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Speaker 4: baby to term. So they engage the services of a
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Speaker 4: surrogate winds up being an Alaska nurse named McKenna West.
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Speaker 4: Twenty weeks into the pregnancy, uh oh, take a look
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Speaker 4: inside the womb. Big time heart defect, big time heart condition,
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Speaker 4: and this is going to require surgery, big time surgery.
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Speaker 4: And so the couple says, let's abort, and the surrogate
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Speaker 4: mom says, I don't think so what no, not that
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Speaker 4: you'd understand. You are contractually bound to do what we say.
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Speaker 4: This is happening under our terms, and they're not totally
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Speaker 4: wrong about that, by the way, But Mss West looks
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Speaker 4: at what's morally right to her. First of all, you're
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Speaker 4: not going to make me get an abortion.
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Speaker 2: My body, my choice, and also very.
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Speaker 4: Much deeals not my baby biologically, but my baby to
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Speaker 4: protect it's in me, and I'm not going to let
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Speaker 4: them kill him. So she high tails it here to
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Speaker 4: Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, and some hospitals are ready
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Speaker 4: to go, and I believe those procedures are underway. But meanwhile,
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Speaker 4: the attorney, the attorney for this couple, a gentleman named
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Speaker 4: Lee Budnar, is all over the news saying, Oh, my clients,
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Speaker 4: they're the victims here. They've been victims. It's been in
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Speaker 4: we've intruded this this surrogate mom and the state of
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Speaker 4: Texas have intruded into this family and the decisions they
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Speaker 4: sought to make for this baby that they're now caring for. Oh,
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Speaker 4: they're caring for him now. Fifteen weeks ago they wanted
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Speaker 4: him dead. So you've got a tug of war going on.
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Speaker 4: It's not one hundred percent sure that these parents are
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Speaker 4: going to get this baby.
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Speaker 3: They probably are. I mean, that's not what I want.
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Speaker 4: I wants, I said fifteen weeks ago they wanted to
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Speaker 4: kill them. Should that be a kind of a termination
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Speaker 4: of parental rights or something. But that's where we are,
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Speaker 4: and this attorney is making these parents, if possible, look
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Speaker 4: even worse because they also want their money back from
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Speaker 4: the surrogacy arrangement because they view her as in breach
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Speaker 4: of contract. It's insane on ten level.
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Speaker 2: So they want their money back because the surrogate mom
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Speaker 2: didn't abort the baby that they didn't want, but now
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Speaker 2: they want the baby. And say, right, well yeah, and
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Speaker 2: I and but you say that the lawyer isn't expressing
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Speaker 2: any sign of contrition or on behalf of these parents.
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Speaker 4: Do you know how great it would be in the
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Speaker 4: capacity for forgiveness and redemption. What a wonderful literal come
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Speaker 4: to Jesus moment. This would be Yep, if they said, look,
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Speaker 4: this couple, they don't want to be public about it.
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Speaker 4: They just kind of want to get it, this beautiful
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Speaker 4: they're so sorry they felt the way they did fifteen
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Speaker 4: weeks ago. They've learned their lesson. Lets everybody go forward
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Speaker 4: in peace. And additionally, we thank McKenna west and we
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Speaker 4: thank the state of Texas for helping us see the
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Speaker 4: light and the power of life. And thank you, and
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Speaker 4: let's everybody have a good life. Wouldn't that be great? Yeah,
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Speaker 4: that ain't happening. This this attorney is a pig. And
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Speaker 4: these parents I don't even know what to think about them.
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Speaker 4: I fear for the well being of this baby in
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Speaker 4: their clutches.
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Speaker 2: Extra all right, I wish me luck. I'm off this
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Speaker 2: weekend to go give a blood and show my ID
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Speaker 2: to go see Masquerade exactly, and hopefully nobody will set
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Speaker 2: me on fire on the subway and I'll get back
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Speaker 2: to Florida safe and sound. On.
47:53
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, Let me tell you what I'm doing. Well, you're,
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Speaker 4: you know, throwing down three hundred dollars to see The
47:58
Speaker 4: Phantom Immersive. Thanks, yeah, we're I think we're doing a movie.
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Speaker 4: But and here's what's weird. They're like two fairly similar
48:05
Speaker 4: movies out at the same time. You saw and really
48:09
Speaker 4: bagged on a thing that totally looked like my wheelhouse.
48:12
Speaker 4: I love the Twilight Zony kind of thing. Yeah, you
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Speaker 4: and you so you consumed the thing that I was
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Speaker 4: going to And I don't know that or maybe I
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Speaker 4: will to see if you're right, called the last house
48:21
Speaker 4: or for some weird reason, everybody in a neighborhood can't
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Speaker 4: get out of their house, and like, what's doing that?
48:27
Speaker 4: But you've come to the test the testimony, then it's horrible.
48:30
Speaker 4: So I may really just have to do that to
48:32
Speaker 4: compare notes on that. But today, maybe today, maybe tomorrow,
48:36
Speaker 4: the similar premise, and the reviews on this are pretty good.
48:40
Speaker 4: It's a thing called the End of Oak Street and
48:43
Speaker 4: Halfaway is in it Ewan McGregor. The weirdness here is
48:47
Speaker 4: that people along a street, along a neighborhood wake up
48:50
Speaker 4: and realize that their entire neighborhood has simply been transported
48:55
Speaker 4: somewhere to some other realm. I don't even know what
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Speaker 4: it is. And and so it's like, yes, I'm in
49:02
Speaker 4: So I'm probably gonna do that when and I'll report
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Speaker 4: back on Monday whether it too is dreadful.
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Speaker 2: Well, all I will say is that if you if
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Speaker 2: you go to Netflix and see this Last House crap,
49:12
Speaker 2: I gotta do it. You gotta do it. If you
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Speaker 2: like it, we can't be friends anymore. We won't be
49:16
Speaker 2: able to It's over. We may have to end the
49:18
Speaker 2: M and M podcast. I don't have the minem extra.
49:20
Speaker 2: I don't think we can do it. If you see
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Speaker 2: this movie and you think it's good, oh you better
49:25
Speaker 2: or not? You better not, I'm going to tell you right.
49:27
Speaker 4: I believe that will be that will constitute a level
49:30
Speaker 4: of balance on what we call the marvelous Missus Maisel Effect.
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Speaker 4: One of the finest shows in recent history that you
49:35
Speaker 4: think was crap.
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Speaker 2: So I got it. I may give that once in
49:38
Speaker 2: a while. Man, everyone, I may give that another shot.
49:41
Speaker 2: And let's give it another shot on Monday. Have a
49:43
Speaker 2: great weekend. Everybody will see you Monday. Be safe. I
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Speaker 2: love you, Take care. Thanks for joining us by It