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Jeff Kinley: Prophecy, Last Days, Globalism & God’s Grand Finale · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Hey friends, thanks for watching and sharing the podcast and tuning into this one.
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God bless you, family of believers, and we're getting to know more people from different
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states in different countries and it's been a blessing.
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And it's a great adventure, the adventure of faith.
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But anyway, I'm so blessed today to connect with another great man of God, Jeff Kinley.
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He's a former pastor and bestselling author of 40 books.
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You heard that right.
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40.
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He is recognized as an expert in the field of Bible prophecy.
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He's authored 12 books on that alone.
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He does connect with this generation, engaging them in biblical truth.
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He's a graduate of the University of Arkansas and Dallas Theological Seminary.
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He has weekly podcasts, the vintage truth podcast, and the prophecy prose.
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He does that with Todd Hampson and he's heard on over 120 countries.
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This podcast now has over 1 million downloads and ranks in the top 1% of all podcasts in
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America.
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He's got a TV show over on his channel.
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It's called Jeff Kinley Live.
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It airs it's each week and he's also the host and teacher of the King is coming television
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program.
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That was formerly hosted by Dr. Ed Heinssen.
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The King is coming dot com for those that want to check out that.
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Jeff and his wife Beverly have been married for 41 years.
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They live in Arkansas and have three grown sons.
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His website is Jeff Kinley dot com brother, long introduction, but a good one.
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Thank you for showing up here on worldly matters.
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Good to see you.
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Pleasure to be with you, David.
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Thank you.
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All right.
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Let's just start with the 40 books.
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I want to ask you, were you around 12 when you wrote your first book?
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How on earth?
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Because you look young.
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Well, my goal is to write as many books as I am years old, but I don't think I'm going
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to make that.
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I want to pace to not quite hit that goal, but yeah, yeah, I started writing books when
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I was a youth pastor back in the early early 90s.
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And the Lord has just been real good and been able to write a lot of books.
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So it's been great.
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And praise God, you're one of the remnant, you know, the pole council of God, biblical
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worldview, your sound and doctrine.
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That's why obviously we have people like you on the show.
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And so you're getting out there.
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I mean, I think you've been on Fox and friends and Glenn Beck, Ben Shapiro and my goodness,
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you've at least through the television rubbed elbows with some great people.
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And so that's really good that more men of God are getting out there and know you're
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listed on Harbentures daily, which is one of our sponsors.
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So praise God for your ministry, Jeff.
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You recently did before we talk about your latest book, I want to ask you about the days
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of Noah.
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The title is as it was in the days of Noah and you did a program with Jen Markelle,
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which I just found out the one that was reared a month ago.
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That was a repeat of a previous show.
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And it was so popular that she re-ran it and she called it over at Olive Tree View.
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She called it the approaching global storm.
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We talked a little bit before we got on about how more people are starting to pay attention
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because they're seeing what's happening around the world.
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Just touch on that for a little bit, please.
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Yeah, that program broke all kinds of weekend records for Jen Markelle's ministry.
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And I think it really is just indicative of the fact that people are really hungry.
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They want to know what's going on.
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They see what's happening in the world.
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They just understand how to put the pieces of the puzzle together, biblically speaking.
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And so that book as it was in the days of Noah's word does that.
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It kind of looks at our culture, kind of as a horizontal view of what's going on in the world today
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compares that to Noah's generation back in Genesis 6 and goes,
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hey, wow, we're mirroring, we're like mirror images of his generation.
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And Jesus said Matthew 2437 as it was in the days of Noah,
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social it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man.
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And it wasn't raining when Noah built the ark, when Noah started building, right?
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Yeah, that's a great thing about Noah.
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I mean, not only do we look at just what's going on in our generation,
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but I look at Noah's faith.
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I mean, his was a, it was a long walk that was a very lonely walk,
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but his was a rugged faith.
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And there's so much we learned from Noah that we can apply right now
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in the generation of which we're living.
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I'm sure, I mean, these, it's not in the pages of Scripture
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that how much mocking maybe he had to endure or how people maybe were making fun of him.
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We don't know all those facts, but it's interesting to speculate.
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How many years was he building the ark with his sons?
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Well, it's estimated anywhere from 75 to 120 years.
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We traditionally think of it as 120 years, but you think about it.
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There's no home depot.
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There's no power tools.
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There's no work, huge work crews to work with me.
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Noah got up every day, went to the forest,
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chopped down a tree, drug it to the job site,
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began to, to unit, to fashion it, put this whole thing together.
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And yes, there had to have been mockery because Scripture says
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it had never rained to that point.
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And so, you know, what are you building a boat for?
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So they must have called it Noah's folly or, you know, made fun of him
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or maybe they gathered each day just a cat call
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and or whatever kind of the whole cancel culture thing in his own context.
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But who knows, but either way, Noah was obedient
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all the way up until the doors slammed.
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Well, let's talk about some of your other books as well.
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So many great titles and the global reset.
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I believe you wrote that with Mark Hitchcock.
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Tell us about that.
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That came out in 2022, just two years ago.
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Yeah, just looking at sort of the post pandemic world
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and how globalism really is rising up everywhere you see in the world
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and how that really matches Scriptures in times narrative.
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What the Bible says is going to come to pay to place or come to pass rather
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with anti-Christ government coming together
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and call for a one world government how crisis leads to that.
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We talk about China.
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We talk about Satan's in times agenda,
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but it all rolls into this whole thing called globalism.
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So you talk a lot, obviously, about prophecy
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because you've got a podcast called the prophecy prose.
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So you've got a book that illustrates,
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it's a prophecy prose, illustrated guide to tough questions about the end time.
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So you guys talk about this on the podcast.
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You wrote a book about it.
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So explain that book.
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That sounds fascinating for those that want kind of like to walk through this
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and see what's happening.
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Yes, kind of the world's longest title for a book,
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but the whole idea is that we take 100 questions, David,
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that most Christians ask about the end times.
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We divided it into 10 categories and we just tackle each question
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or each category with 10 questions each.
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And then Todd Hampson, who is an animator by trade,
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and naturally he goes in and he brings all these illustrations.
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They really kind of help these graphics jump off the page.
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So it's been an incredible tool for people.
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I know Jack Hibbs recently bought 7,500 copies of it
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and just used it for his ministry as a book of the month kind of thing.
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So God's giving a lot of traction out there,
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but mainly it's just helping people connect with Bible prophecy in a relevant way.
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So thank you.
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We're talking about all these because this is your first time on World View Matters.
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And I just want our audience that are not familiar with Jeff Kenley
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to know the kind of books you write.
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And one more and then we'll get to God's grand finale.
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Interview with the Antichrist.
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Sounds fascinating.
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Tell us about that.
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Yeah, people want to know, was he nice?
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I mean, what was his office like that kind of thing?
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No, basically what that is is a very thrilling end times,
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apocalyptic novel takes place during the Tribulation period,
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a young journalist from Belgium named Julian.
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He gets to write the memoirs of the newly elected world leader.
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So he basically travels with the Antichrist and you see the Tribulation period
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from through his eyes and through the inner circle of the Antichrist.
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So it's a thrilling kind of reads like a movie type novel.
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It's not a cheesy Christian book, but at the end, what I do day is I take 30
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of the most asked questions about Antichrist once the novel's done.
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And I just explore those with the reader.
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So it's sort of like the literary part, the novel parts like breadcrumbs,
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but they lead to the truth, which is what does the Bible say
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about an Antichrist at the end?
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Man, you got to bundle some of these books and just get them out there.
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Man, guys, check these out.
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And by the way, if I didn't give the website, JeffKinley.com,
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let's jump into God's grand finale.
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Yeah, Wrath, Grace, and Glory in Earths last days.
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I want to read a little bit of the description, let you just go.
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It says the Bible's last book, meaning Revelation.
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It says God's final word to mankind and the breathtaking revelation
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of our Lord Jesus Christ through this letter, I'm sorry,
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though this letter describes depravity, devils, and destruction,
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it also provides an incredible portrait of our almighty God delivering
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profound insights into who he really is.
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God's grand finale or finale examines the 13 characteristics of God
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that Revelation uniquely and vividly illustrates
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through its foretelling of Earths last days.
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It sounds incredibly provocative, Jeff.
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And yeah, so it gives a clear overview of end times events.
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That's one of the descriptive points says.
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So whatever you'd like to share in the next couple of minutes on this,
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it sounds like a fascinating book.
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Yeah, it was a really fun book to write in the sense that it took me
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on a deeper dive in the revelation that I've ever done before.
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And you know, typically we think of Revelation as a book
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that tells us about the future, what's going to happen,
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the seal trumpet, bowl judgment, second coming, all that.
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And it's so true.
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At the same time, though, God, you think about it,
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God had one last book to write in his great book called The Bible.
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And he concluded it with a book that is 95% prophecy.
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But at the same time, what God did was,
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he didn't just want us to know about the end times.
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He wanted his church to know who he was.
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So it really makes sense that God would end his book telling us,
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once again, who the God of the universe really is.
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So I do, I examine 13 attributes that come directly out of the book
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of Revelation as I trace through the entire book of Revelation,
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chapters one to 22.
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These emerging characteristics of our great God,
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the attributes of who he is, they just rise up out of the waters of that book.
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And ends up that Revelation turns out to be an incredibly deep devotional book
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and not just a book to arouse our curiosity
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or to tell us information about the apocalypse.
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So it's a really kind of a personal revival start
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or kind of gets us into who God is.
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Man, it just sounds fascinating.
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Another sentence in the description says,
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when the dust of Revelation settles,
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we behold the lamb standing and ruling in triumphant,
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sovereign and indescribable glory.
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Can we just camp out right there for a few minutes
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and just that scene of the lamb who was slain, the Lamb of God, triumphant?
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And man, we just, we look forward to that day, Jeff,
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when we can all worship together and we are worshiping the one who died for us,
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who defeated death, who gives us the incredible hope that we have it.
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We can only imagine by our own minds and what's on the pages of scripture,
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but just talk a little bit more about that,
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be holding the lamb and that's what we look forward to.
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Yeah, I love what A.W. Atosier said when he said that,
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the most important thing about you is what comes to your mind when you think about God.
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And if you think about it, our perception of God really does determine everything,
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our self-perception, our perception of others, how we treat others,
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how we live our lives, et cetera.
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And Revelation begins with a vision of Jesus Christ as he is right now.
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And he doesn't look like the Christ of the Gospels.
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He looks like a risen, glorified, exalted, wonderful Christ.
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So much so that John says, in Revelation 117, he says,
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I fell at his feet as a dead man.
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He was traumatized by this glorious God.
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And then, you know, of course, Christ goes on to rebuke and to reprove
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and to encourage the churches there.
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And then we get up to heaven in chapter four,
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and then we see the lamb who is worthy.
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And there are some 14 doxologies, 14 worship services, if you will,
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throughout the book of Revelation,
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that just keep our mind calibrated to this exalted God
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who is sitting on an occupied throne.
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He's in charge of the whole thing throughout all the judgments.
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And then we get to the second coming, he comes back gloriously.
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And we look up in the sky, oh, wait a minute, there we are with him following on white horses.
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I mean, everything about the Christian's relationship with God
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just gets better and better and better.
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We know him better, we love him better.
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We get to adore him and worship him better.
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And so Revelation really is, I call it sort of a quad shot of espresso to the soul.
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I mean, it just dilates our spiritual senses to make us want to worship this amazing God.
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And then an eternity is Revelation twenty through twenty two talks about.
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We get to enjoy him forever and the things he's prepared for us.
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So yeah, wow, it's a mind blowing experience to get to know God through the book of Revelation.
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Oh, praise God. Thank you for writing that.
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It's a fascinating book that up until I think recent years,
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there's been a lot of confusion maybe in the body of Christ about it.
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Maybe people were a little intimidated to dive into the pages of Revelation.
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All the symbolism and everything, you know, they didn't want to dive in.
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But man, I appreciate just the letters chapters two and three, you know, just amazing.
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What would Jesus say to our churches?
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But he we know we have an idea.
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Jeff Kinley's our guest.
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We'll talk more about his book and some other things we come back.
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But the website is Jeff Kinley.com.
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We'll be right back on World View Matters.
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So Jeff, what do you have coming up?
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I'm looking at your schedule.
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It's like you're everywhere.
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Maryland, Illinois, North Dakota, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Belgium.
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How'd that get in there?
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Anyway, Alaskan Crews, Prophecy Watchers Crews in August.
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So tell us about a couple of things.
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Maybe you have coming up.
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Yeah, very excited about this Mississippi Prophecy Conference.
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It'll be me and Pete Garcia will be there.
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And it's the first ever of it's kind in Mississippi.
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And it's getting a lot of traction right now.
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People are coming to registering for this conference.
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Obviously excited to go to Belgium, got a pastor over there.
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That's like, wow, are people need what you're teaching?
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So they're bringing me there.
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I'll be in Brazil in August invitations for Germany for next year.
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And then just all across the country.
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And what I'm seeing, David, which is very encouraging, is that remnant you talk about,
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is as Jesus says to the church at Sardis and Revelation three, two, wake up.
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Well, guess what?
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The bride is waking up and she's waking up through the preaching of that third part of the
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Bible that most pastors ignore, which is Bible prophecy.
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So it's very encouraging to see she's seeing her bridegroom and she's preparing herself
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for that wedding day.
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So we're just equipping people all across the nation in what the Bible says, what the
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times in which we're living and how we can best reach the world in that time.
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Wow.
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You're just looking at your schedule makes me tired.
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But anyway, good for you for getting out there.
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Jeff, tell us how you came to be on the King is coming.
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How did that happen?
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Because we know it was hosted by the late Dr. Ed Heinsen.
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Just tell us about that.
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Yeah.
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Well, Dr. Heinsen, I met him essentially on Amazon.
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He gave a review of one of my books.
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It was a glowing review and then I invited him to speak at a conference so that I was hosting
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and we became good friends.
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He became sort of a mentor in many ways and I love his writings.
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I love his scholarship.
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And of course, the King is coming television show.
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And then when Ed passed away, the producers and the directors of that ministry began looking
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for replacement, they said, we need someone who is obviously very biblically based who can
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talk to people who is good in front of a camera, but has solid biblical content that we
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can offer the body of Christ.
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Of course, that show goes globally.
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So they approached me and we talked and we did some test programs and it just turned
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out to be a match made in heaven.
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So I'm recording that show up in Chicago and it's just going great and the words really
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blessed.
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So I encourage people, please check out the King is coming.
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Yeah.
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Praise God.
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The King is coming.
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Calm.
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So one thing I caught a recent program.
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I don't know if it was recent.
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I think it was sometimes videos aren't in the right order, but you were talking about something
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very fascinating.
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You quoted.
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I think it was Tertullian and he was talking about the little fishes, the reputation
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that Christians had or something like that.
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Can you expound on that a little bit?
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I found that to be very fascinating.
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Yeah, it's like the symbol in the early Christianity was the Ictus, which is on a
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cross, meaning Jesus Christ, God, Son, Savior.
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So the idea of a fish kind of was sort of their cross of the day, if you will.
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And so Christians sometimes in meeting each other in the marketplace, so one of them
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would draw a half circle in the sand and the other person was a believer that they
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complete the circle and cross it, and it would form sort of a fish outline.
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But Tertullian says, you know, Jesus Christ, you know, he was the one that was, you know,
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he inspired this whole thing, fishers of men, I'll make you fishers of men, that type
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of thing.
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And so we're kind of like the little fish, we're out there representing Christ everywhere
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we go.
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And that's the good thing though, David, about where we are right now is that we are
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to be embedded out there in society with penetrating the darkness in the marketplace, going
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in places, I forget who said this, but he said, he said, I would rather, I think it
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was William Booth, the founder of the Salvation Army said, I would rather, you know, charge
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the gates of hell and be within a, you know, a few feet of hell than to be removed from
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it, you know, in some, you know, castle type thing.
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And that's where these little fish need to be.
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They need to be in the stream, affecting and infusing others with the glorious hope
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that's found in the gospel of Christ.
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It's fascinating.
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You know, we have our little fishes on our cars, you know, some, you know, bumper stickers
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or whatever, just interesting to hear some of the history and what it was in the early
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days like that.
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I want to go back, Jeff Kinley, to the book you guys wrote a global reset with Mark Hitchcock.
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It's 2024 and there was a thing called COVID-19 and then there was COVID-20 and then
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2021, 22, COVID-20, how long is it going to go?
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But there's a sentence in the description.
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It changed our lives.
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It changed our world.
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I'm some of us that changed it dramatically.
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There's a sentence in the description that says COVID unleashed a cascade of consequences
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that are now reaching far beyond the pandemic itself.
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And there's a lot in there.
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We saw how governments reacted.
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We saw the power grabs.
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We saw the tyranny.
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We saw things that in our own country, in America, maybe in other countries that might
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not have been surprising.
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But I think in our country, we saw things that it really was astounding.
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But then Jeff was the church's response.
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They deemed us non-essential and we just said, okay, now I'm saying we, not maybe you
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and I and the remnant, but too many churches in America.
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What else do you get into in the book and what else would you like to talk?
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That's such an important, to this day, that's never going to be a topic that will be left
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behind in this world history.
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This is because it still affects us today.
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It'll never be irrelevant because essentially COVID broke the world.
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It's what it is.
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And it was by design.
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This whole idea of creating, or if there is a natural crisis, whatever it is, the idea
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is that global elites and those that are committed to globalism, those with the world
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economic forum, Klaus Schwab, and that whole bunch, their intended desire is to take over
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the planet.
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They're trying to steal the planet out from underneath us.
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And that's the whole agenda, really, if you go behind the scenes that Satan has, because
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he wants to be worshipped.
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And we go all the way back to heaven when he rebelled against God and was cast down on
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the earth.
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He's been trying to rule the world ever since then.
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Well with globalism, he's going to get that wish during the tribulation period through
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anti-Christ.
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But here's the thing that we kind of recognize in the book and we had to point out is the
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fact that, you know, they have to use a crisis because crisis creates chaos.
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Crisis creates fear.
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Out of fear, they can bring in the solution, which is a calm.
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And once people are calm, comes the compliance, we get used to it.
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And then there comes the control.
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So if you'll notice that during the COVID so-called pandemic, that what they try to do is
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to gain as much control over humanity as possible, shelter in place, wear a mask, can't travel
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without a mask, get a vaccine, get another vaccine, get a fifth vaccine.
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And of course, all this now is coming out to where these things were obviously unproven
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and very harmful to humanity, but the end goal of all of it was not to enact the mark
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of the beast, the end goal of all of it was to gain control.
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So by their own emissions, they're going to be other crises, they're going to float
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out there.
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I mean, wars, rumors of wars, there's going to be more pandemics, disease, X, climate
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change is another crisis they've said is going to come.
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And all of that, again, if you'll just read in the fine print, all the own their websites
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that WF Web site, as they want to control and change the world.
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And so that's Christian's job is to obviously resist that, but also to spread the gospel
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in the midst of it.
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So that's where we find ourselves, but David, it begins with being a discerning believer
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and seeing through the grid of scripture, what the world is doing.
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Yes, Romans 12, 21, do not be overcome by evil, overcome evil with good.
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So we can discern, we can understand what's happening.
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And it's not surprising, this is the world, this is their way, but it was fascinating
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on how quickly that happened in 2020 and what's happened since then.
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It's affected a lot of people recently, I've heard from thousands of people that have
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been sharing their testimonies on how their, either their health or a loved one's health
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was affected by this, this rollout of, you know, by Big Farmer, we won't say the V word
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or you can say the jab, but this is just sad because this is purposeful.
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It's an agenda.
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And they, as you said, they create the crisis by the way you mentioned, climate change.
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They already call it an existential threat.
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That's not coming to them.
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It's like this is going to end the world.
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So they're trying to use fear.
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And guess what, Jeff, we learned now that was pretty effective.
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That was an effective tactic of the left since COVID, right?
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They used fear and maybe ignorance and they're talking points and too many people bought
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it.
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And it divided the country even more, didn't it?
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It did.
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I mean, the whole idea of trusting the science just really became a whole new phrase.
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Yeah, just that phrase alone.
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And yeah, you're absolutely right.
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I mean, what they did through the COVID thing was to essentially, again, create that fear
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which created the chaos.
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And then out of that, they provide the solution.
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So if you create a problem and then you bring the solution to the problem, that's just
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what advertisers do for a living.
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They create dissatisfaction or create fear and then bring in the insurance policy to make
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sure that you don't have the fear.
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And of course, you exchange some of your freedoms in order to get that solution, freedoms
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that you can't really get back.
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And so that's where that's where we're trending.
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And so in in the end, the news is tightening, not just from climate change and where you
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can drive, what you can eat, where you can go central digital and currency, all that,
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it ends up with the mark of the beast and with Antichrist saying, I want to control your
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very soul.
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And so that's the end game of Satan.
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We end up in Revelation 13 with that.
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So we're basically saying, this is not surprising.
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God's not up there ringing his hands or pacing.
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He's going to shake things up, isn't he?
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But he's allowing everything that's happening.
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That's where our faith comes in, our trust in God's sovereignty.
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Would you speak in the last couple of minutes, Jeff, just about our trust in this omniscient
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omnipresent God, who's all powerful, who knows, he sees the end from the beginning and
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we're here.
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We just need to trust him and not be anxious and understand what the Bible teaches about
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these times.
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Absolutely.
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And that's why I love the book of Revelation, this book I wrote God's Grand Finale because
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before Jesus gives John this apocalyptic vision that absolutely blows his mind and hours
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as well, could be a very fearful thing.
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It is for some people to read.
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What does he do?
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He takes him to heaven and 13 times and 11 versus John says, there's a throne there.
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There's a throne there.
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It's occupied.
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It's beautiful.
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It's glorious.
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It's revered.
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It's righteous.
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And John just worships with the 24 elders and with the angels there.
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And that tells us, David, that God not only has the whole world in control, he's got
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our lives in control as well.
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I love what one lady said to me on a radio interview, one time she said, God's sovereignty
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is my serenity.
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And of all times in history, I think we can rest in that that this sovereign God, there's
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not a maverick molecule in this universe.
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God is in charge and he's got our lives and he's got the plan for Jesus rapture to come
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back and get us to take us to that place where that throne resides.
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When you said throne, I can just imagine because what we see, we see a little glimpse
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of in a revelation, right?
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But just the worship that we get to be a part of one day, I'm thinking of a revelation
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21, I just brought up verse five, he who sits on the throne said, behold, I am making all
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things new.
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And he said, right, for these words are faithful and true.
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And then as if we needed, we needed something more, he said, it is done.
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I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
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That's the God we worship and trust in.
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I appreciate your ministry, brother, your voice and all that you're doing, keep it up and
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thanks for your time today.
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God bless you, brother.
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Thank you, David.
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Thank you.
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Great to spend time here today.
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All right, friends, check out his website, jeffkindly.com.
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We'll continue this and Lord willing, as long as you continue to share the show, we'll
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keep doing this.
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We'll keep bringing some great guests and talking about great topics and books.
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God bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.