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Duke Game Recap · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast.
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  I'm Curtis Wilson. I'm Bryan Sigma, buddy.
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  How you doing tonight? Sunday?
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  Night. We got one after a second.
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  We got one after we win. Yeah, we get to, we get to do
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  this after a win. I forgot what it felt like.
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  Feels so much better to do one of these without a win even
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  though it's only been two weeks. But you know, the the losses
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  just take more of a toll on his right and you know you got a lot
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  of fun tonight, not a discussions about the game and
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  some more fun stuff with something you got into earlier
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  this week. And Brian, the finish line is
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  Tuesday for you, right? Yeah, if I can get one, really,
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  if I can get through tomorrow night, the the next month is
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  going to go a lot smoother. Well at least things slow down a
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  little bit. My meat becomes more manageable
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  so I'll take the slow down he pile.
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  He passed the mile marker of finishing Youth Sports in the
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  fall. This weekend Sports is over.
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  I got one of my two classes wrapped up this past Wednesday,
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  I I've talked about it a little bit when we went last time.
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  So, yeah. And then the last of will the
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  second of three big presentations for the other
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  class takes place tomorrow. So yeah, once I get that knocked
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  out, should be pretty smooth. Sailing down the home stretch.
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  Well, it's much easier for you from here on out.
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  Yeah, yeah, I'm looking, I'm looking forward to, you know, I
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  know we're going To the holidays, which is always
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  something to look forward to. But it's nice to take a little
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  bit off the plate gradually, as we ease into that, because
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  obviously, with all that stuff comes a little bit extra stuff
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  for for me to do as well. So it'll be nice having a little
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  bit lighter low to compensate for some of that new stuff
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  coming down the pike, absolutely.
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  And see here a little lucky this year.
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  When you make that move, you don't have to do what I had to
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  do. Speaking of holidays.
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  Neighbor up the street, put the tree out.
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  I got the look, you need to go to the attic and start pulling
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  everything down. So so before the game Saturday,
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  pulling a little bit of Christmas down, and then pretty
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  much all morning, pulling Christmas decorations down.
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  And I gave my wife a little grief that she was like, listen,
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  you know how much stuff we have, right?
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  I'm like, yeah, we decorate for Christmas.
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  You've been here? We decorate.
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  You know, we got to like it. We tried to start Thanksgiving
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  week, I wouldn't get everything up until the week of Christmas
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  and I want to enjoy the decoration fight.
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  You know what hon, whatever you want.
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  Let's do it. It's not a big deal.
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  I mean, I get the one to like compartmentalize Halloween than
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  Thanksgiving than Christmas. But you know for folks that
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  either travel on Thanksgiving or constantly on the go that
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  weekend, you know, you can't always get it done.
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  I mean we got we got a game to watch after after Thanksgiving
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  game, want to, we're going to be one to get the damn decorations.
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  Put up, never get them on, get get at least a good start going
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  the weekend before, which is probably what we're going to do.
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  Probably next weekend, we're going to get a good jump on it
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  and then wrap it up. Once we get back from my mom's
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  the following weekend after Thanksgiving.
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  So, There you go. There you go.
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  All right, Brian, let's jump into it man.
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  Hokies with. I mean, I prediction, we thought
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  it was going to be a close game but offense defense and special
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  teams all show out Hokies blow the doors off of Duke.
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  Kind of a Bittersweet Revenge game for Justin Fuente speaking
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  of, because two years ago was the ugly game in the lane, he
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  blows out Juke 48:17 and Let's flip on the offense.
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  First Prime, finally Hokies have returned back to over. 500 yards
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  of total offense. We can do that.
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  I didn't know we could do that. I didn't know we had that in
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  this. But, I mean, it started on the
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  running game though, right? The running game got going.
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  You know what 297 was over 300 before the kneel down?
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  Yep, the noodles. So we yeah.
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  So over 300 and probably, the more impressive was like, it was
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  over 300 and the Carrie thing, click, get it back up here.
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  It's one thing. I did not know take wonderful
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  me, but I had it right here. There it is.
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  After Dean, on 40 carries 141 carries, do the math, that's
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  over seven to carry, I don't care who you're playing, you're
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  on the ball that many times and get seven to carry, you're going
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  to win and usually you're going to do what we did, which is
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  absolutely blow the doors off of them.
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  And let's talk about the guy who absolutely led the way monster
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  first happen, Monster game overall, Raheem Blackshear Ron
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  117 yards on the ground, 9.8 per carry.
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  What did you see? Just overall in his game on
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  Saturday, he was definitely he's in his game, has gotten a lot
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  better as the seasons went along and this was this was the big,
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  the big game. I think all of us were kind of
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  waiting for for Blackshear and and it finally happened happen
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  against Duke. I think, just because he's
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  gotten better with his Is like one cut and go.
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  He's been more decisive with his with his Cuts.
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  I think that's really helped his game.
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  Duke was really poor old a set in the edge getting to the spill
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  area and he was able to really run inside and outside and just
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  he was able to really get to the second level and when he gets
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  the second level, he shift he makes guys miss and he did a
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  good job of Showing some of the speed he doesn't necessarily
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  have Breakaway speed but he has good speed and can can turn
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  things into a big play there. So great job, I Blackshear
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  Malachi Thomas unfortunately had a rough day but we had a key.
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  Shaun, King, sighting and boy did it blow up it absolutely did
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  here in T he re introduced himself to us Hokies 94 95, I
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  mean 10 yards a carry off of had some Been in there.
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  We'll discuss that in a little while here and then, you know,
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  the for went a comment that really caught my ear so it
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  quoted here, you know, I think it's a glimpse of what Keshawn
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  is capable of. I love Keshawn King and
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  unrelenting in my desire to continue to do things the right
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  way. He knows that that's the
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  beautiful part about it and there's not a more pleasurable
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  person to be around when he's right?
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  Hey, this game. I felt like it was time to
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  reward him with some opportunities and he did not
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  disappoint. So sounds like he was not
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  completely Italy in the doghouse but obviously, because he had
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  been on kick return, making it an effort.
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  They're getting a carry here and there, but obviously worked back
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  towards getting in that rotation and then with the, you know, the
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  bad day for Malachi with only 10 yards, not not great at all for
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  him on seven carries, he added that extra spark.
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  You've ran hard and I think you talked about Rahim and even with
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  Keyshawn, some of the runs yesterday, the vision and the
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  decisive Cuts, they got to a point.
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  They saw where it was and they just cut, they did not run into
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  the back of anyone. And I don't know if you saw this
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  last night on Twitter or today, Brian Khalil Herbert retweeting
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  him. Kind of giving it a, give them a
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  congratulations and it seems like there.
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  I don't know if he's in there ear sending the messages of what
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  to see what to talk about. But both of those guys, it's you
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  see so many times. These guys were so athletic like
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  this, they try to get out. They try to get out.
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  When in reality you never made an offensive lineman.
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  Things are being set up. You have to choose where to go.
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  You got to be able to number one trust that the blocks will be
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  there. But also read the blocks as we
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  happen because sometimes depending on what the defense
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  does, there's going to be some some adjustment to that aiming
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  Point potentially. So there's a couple things that
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  happen in real time and the Really best backs can be both
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  patient and decisive at the same time and that's what Herbert was
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  so good at, he was patient but he was decisive once he made a
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  decision of how He was setting things up.
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  He get through there, and he had the ability to turn a big one
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  into into a touchdown, just with his speed and his ability to
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  break those arm tackles at the second level.
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  And and Rahim showed, you know, promised there and I think this
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  was really we really focused on getting the running backs
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  involved in the game plan altogether from Jump Street and
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  and and they showed out they show that they were capable of
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  getting the job done. They really did.
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  I mean, they showed they were capable of getting the job, they
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  go over 200 combined on, you know, not that many carries.
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  I mean, I think they were over eight per carry which is just
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  insane combined on a little bit more than that actually.
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  But let's talk about also a front, right?
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  Let's look at the offensive lineman Brock Hoffman was out so
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  I'm street clothes food on the sidelines.
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  Be interesting to see if he's back any more games this season
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  or potentially the bowl. Game, he did participate in the
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  senior day ceremony. So Kind of the writing's on the
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  wall there but we started out our starting five.
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  When we first rolled out was Luke tenuta the seat of Smith.
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  Johnny, Jordan South stains and Darrell Smith and Will Smith
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  written 25. I'm sure that warms your heart
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  to see a low number on the linemen and then we saw, you
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  know, Caden more and fabric laments, get some action as well
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  on the right side. What was your assessment of the
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  line? Pretty much in all aspects.
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  Yesterday, when I saw more and Parker out there, that's when
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  the line look the best in my opinion and I thought Johnny did
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  a good job at Center. We didn't quite have as much
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  push in the middle as we've had in some other weeks.
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  But I think he did a good job of getting everyone set up in this
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  in place of Brock because any and he's ran Center come for us
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  this year with Brock moving, moving along the line early in
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  the season. We were still working out who
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  are five were but I think that more and Parker showed have
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  shown some some jump in the last few weeks and Silas was pretty
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  steady when he was in there. So I mean overall good effort by
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  the offensive line. That wasn't a whole lot of
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  glaring, things that popped out to me, we could have been a
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  little bit better on the inside Zone, kind of some of the
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  Insight combos there. But other than that, good job
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  overall. Let's flip and talk about more
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  in Parker. More obviously, has more games
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  under his belt. Parker, a few behind.
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  But you talked about that was the best.
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  We look, is just one of those things.
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  The reps are finally catching up and it's the whole head versus
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  feet. Hey, I'm going to do with an
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  offensive lineman head feet and arms.
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  It's, they're not thinking anymore.
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  It's just becoming natural. When they hear the play call,
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  know what I'm going to do if he puts his hand on my shoulder.
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  I know how mother is it? Just Coming more natural because
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  of just means they're no longer thinking about what they have to
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  do. It's more about, you know, once
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  they do it, how the defense reaction, then what they have to
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  do to counter that in real time. So, essentially everything after
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  the snap. Not, not thinking a whole lot
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  before the snap, which is good, that that you don't want your
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  linemen thinking. Before they take their first
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  step, you want them to know exactly what they're doing,
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  exactly where they're going, and what they're going to do when
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  they get there. So I think that's the big thing.
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  You see more? Come on a lot, a lot more
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  lately. He had a some really good
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  blocks. I think on a couple screens down
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  field Parker was down down field on my screen, getting some
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  blocks. So I mean they were doing some
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  good stuff in various ways, it wasn't just in the Run game, so
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  really like the potential there. We got to see if they're going
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  to take another step going into next season.
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  But definitely early Returns on both of them are Better than
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  anticipated. Great to hear.
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  Right. Well let's not forget the main
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  getting every snap Braxton Burmeister not skidding did get
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  some stats and Braixen went down with a little wrist injury but
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  he did get back out there and I just say this prom, when we
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  actually run read options and we have some designed runs and he's
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  allowed to scramble, but in keeping them under that 10
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  threshold, this actually helps not only Helmet on.
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  It helps his team autonomy. He had 71 yards on just nine
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  carries. Yeah, and it was a plethora of
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  things. Yeah we saw had the offense
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  opened up once he was keeping more once he showed that he was
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  a threat in the running game but nine carries 71 yards.
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  I mean that's a big day that's that's probably the best day
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  he's had since at some point last year in terms of running
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  the football and what he did I mean he didn't get hurt on a
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  play where he's keeping it. I mean, and he did a good job of
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  getting down. When he did take hits, it wasn't
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  those type of hits where, you know, it's a big lick or an
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  awkward fall, he he was able to go down, get back up, playing
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  the next play and I think that's what we probably needed.
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  Most of the season to really open things up in the running
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  game, for the running backs, early on.
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  And obviously, if you could run effectively that that helps in
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  the passing game and we saw those numbers, take some steps
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  this week as well. Oh absolutely.
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  We did 94, 15, very efficient day.
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  Passing the ball, 215 yards three touchdowns.
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  The one awkward interception which could have been
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  disastrous, but keep practicing credit for holding on to the
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  castle egg before somebody could get there to clean it up.
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  But I think with the passing, he is what he is.
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  I don't and I don't think unless you have an exceptional teacher
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  in that room which were showing that we don't that he's probably
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  not going to grow much more than what he is.
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  And it's you're going to have to have a really good running game.
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  Yeah. And I think that's the so I'll
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  say this and I'll look at last year, we had really what for
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  sample size games from last year, that kind of won't think
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  about what Braxton was going to be this year before the season
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  started. We had the to it.
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  Early in the season and the two at the end of the season.
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  Yep. And I think really, if you sum
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  those four games up, we're getting about the same Braxton
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  that we got last year, a couple top in games or kind of like
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  those into the season ones and the bottom end games are our
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  kind of closer to what he did in those in that NC State game and
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  that Duke game. So, It kind of hit is what it
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  is. And We see that when we can run
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  the ball effectively, and when we do incorporate him into the
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  Run game, deliberately he can be more efficient with the
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  football, but in terms of Sling, it around and throwing deep
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  balls, I mean, that's not what he's going to do.
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  Consistently, we can pop one every now and again when it's
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  set up, when it's schemed when he's got the wide open throw and
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  he could step into the throw. Yeah.
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  Like they all those things have to be in place for deep. balls
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  to B2B the bread-and-butter and it baffles me that it took so
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  long to Figure out that we need to do all these things in order
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  for him to have success in the passing game.
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  Yeah, it just shows you that there is maybe some I don't want
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  to say it's ignorance. But something along those lines
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  in that room to not understand that and I mean and give credit
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  this week to to the offensive game plan because you always
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  talk about, we need to ease them into it first play the game was
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  a shot but the first player game was a shot that was set up
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  perfect. And he just overthrew.
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  All right, that's fine. What I really enjoy do is we
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  took we didn't go crazy on shots like we did against Pitt, we
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  didn't try to throw a ton of screens like we did against West
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  Virginia or the medium range, and short games.
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  Like we've seen a town. It was a good mix of passes.
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  Yeah. Essentially.
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  Do you get no point in time could key on exactly what we
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  were doing in the passing game. And that's why we that's why he
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  was so efficient, you know, averaging over, 15 yards, an
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  attempt. You know, or right at 15 yards,
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  an attempt. And when you're getting, when
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  you're in that, any time, you break 10, in my opinion.
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  You're doing good, you know? But a 15-yard attempt is is
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  really good. And I mean we're going to get
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  into some at the end here. So hold your tongue Brian
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  because I know what you wanted to.
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  He's a hold his tongue. Let's move it.
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  Let's let's talk about the use of marine Blackshear and Keshawn
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  King in the passing game. Both score TD's.
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  That again, you've always given them credit and I don't know how
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  much of a tell how much is Justin Fuente or other people in
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  that room that play design on the key.
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  Shaun King touchdown, do Dallas brilliance Yeah, I mean it's a
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  good design and the designs that are there.
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  I've never had that much criticism of my criticism is we
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  don't Target all the field consistently enough and we have
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  plays like that in our back pocket and we don't fucking call
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  them ever like why are we sitting on this for Duke when
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  we're sub 500 like where the fuck was this?
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  PC? Because the played it, the
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  penguin Keshawn King, even without a running thread of a
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  quarterback. Because, sorry, here I got the
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  burps today that play was not a, it was just a straight outside
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  zone, right? That's all the play was it was
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  an outside Zone, fake. Outside Zone, fake.
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  It showed one of the inside guys want like a little flare out and
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  then post wheel combo. That could have been used
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  against BC that could have been used against Pitt that could
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  have been used potentially against Syracuse.
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  What. Absolutely going to use me
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  against pick his pit plays, a lot of the same type of
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  techniques and coverage on defense that that do plays.
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  So what the hell are we doing there?
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  And let me, let me look like he was on a Mars.
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  He didn't know what he was doing there.
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  He was completely lost. Good play, Bad Day.
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  We've seen it all the time. But what I say I said in man
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  coverage, he was suspect and he got but you got burned about
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  three times and coverage, like big plays, not just not just
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  left. I just given up completions.
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  Yeah. All right, let's talk about the
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  other guy. We already mentioned in Raheem
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  Blackshear, called a touchdown, had a big gain in a screen and
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  then another one. For the TD, I'm assuming you
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  were looking your chops when you saw both those place called
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  because just watching them the setups.
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  Juke on the on the touchdown when we were in Jet Sweep fake.
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  And that whole defense went, whoop to the opposite side of
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  the field. When bryceton done shit, it was
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  like a three on one for the offensive linemen like we don't
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  have anybody to block it. So, if you'd like to take that
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  guy, I mean. Tell me what you felt about.
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  Both those screens just the design of them.
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  Again, good designs. Where are they in other games
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  this year? Yeah, I mean the first one I
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  think we had seen maybe once or twice that that second one with
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  that motion. Yeah.
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  I think that's maybe the first time we've seen that all year.
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  And, you know, again, I just talked about it a little bit but
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  I think That's some of the problem.
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  Like I love getting things, getting the running backs
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  involved in the passing game here.
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  I like screen out those. I know some people out there and
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  Hokie Nation like another screen when screens work they fucking
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  work. Now the problem is that they're
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  a often called at the wrong Times by our coordinator and be
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  we run the same three over and over and don't incorporate some
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  of this different motion. Different looks different design
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  to really Keep the defense off-balance and show them
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  something they haven't seen before.
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  So again, I'm not sure why we're breaking all these, these things
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  out against Duke other than it being really.
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  A must-win to not be the worst team in the conference.
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  So you know, we've at least established that.
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  Virginia Tech not the worst team.
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  In the ACC, not the worst team in the ACC by far and it's
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  because of guys like three couple guys, we've mentioned in
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  Tavia, John Robinson, and I tell you, every time he gets his ball
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  on the punt return, you just feel like it's coming, you know,
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  he had three yesterday, 73, including a big 43-yarder that
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  just put the field again. It's a, it's a net punt.
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  Nightmare, I'm going to the first party at like 15 yards are
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  like the 35-yard punt with the 15 yard return.
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  Hey, maybe I'm getting anything on that and then just, you know,
• 24:37
  overall for 478 Had the Fail Mary where he was just short of
• 24:44
  the end zone called and some other short, couple other short
• 24:48
  intermediate routes. One was a really nice hook that
• 24:52
  Coldplay's later, we score a touchdown and then an out route
• 24:55
  and just every week it seems like his his his route tree gets
• 25:01
  bigger, he gets more confidence. You know, where it looks like
• 25:09
  Trey Turner. Is leaving next year.
• 25:11
  I think Tavian is going to easily step and do the number
• 25:14
  one roll. Yeah.
• 25:17
  And what he does he really can line up all over the field.
• 25:22
  He's probably more of a natural fit in the slot but he can line
• 25:25
  him up outside. He's got the full complement of
• 25:28
  the route tree. You mentioned the Fail.
• 25:31
  Mary. Let's talk about that too.
• 25:33
  In a drive with just a little bit.
• 25:37
  Why do we go hella conservative in that situation?
• 25:41
  Then as soon as you bust 11 good, run y'all.
• 25:43
  Okay, well now now we wasted all this time.
• 25:46
  Now, we need to hurry up again. I'm not mad about that.
• 25:51
  Can I tell you what? I'm mad about?
• 25:53
  What you mad about? 40 seconds left, we're at the
• 25:56
  47. Yeah, we're about.
• 25:59
  We're about what? 10 10 yards from Romo?
• 26:02
  Give me a shot to kick it, right?
• 26:04
  Yep. We have three timeout 3, not 1,
• 26:07
  not 2. We have all three it.
• 26:10
  Weird like, going down field or going sideline routes.
• 26:14
  You can still run screens, you can still run the ball.
• 26:17
  You can still take shots over the middle of the field.
• 26:20
  We were acting like we nailed. Why are we acting like we've got
• 26:24
  to either get a bunch of yards or get out of bounds.
• 26:27
  Like neither of those are have to use, well, you sit here and
• 26:31
  it just get it's it's it's ineptitude because you should
• 26:37
  know. I've got three timeouts.
• 26:38
  If we bring the tenure over the middle, we burn one quick setup.
• 26:43
  And then I can sit there and And so now we're at the 37, do the
• 26:47
  math? That's about a 53-yard.
• 26:49
  ER, Romo's made their what, which one the 51-yard of look
• 26:54
  good from 61 earlier this year? Yeah, I know the wind was
• 26:57
  whipping yesterday and he played into that first kick that he
• 27:01
  missed because he thought I was going to bring tried to put, he
• 27:03
  tried to put that into the wind and then the wind didn't do
• 27:06
  anything for him and in doing. So the rest of them, he just
• 27:09
  ain't dead center and bang them through.
• 27:12
  Yeah, but you get you get tenure Parts timeout, let's get 10 more
• 27:17
  minutes. Now you have 225 where you can
• 27:19
  legitimately take three shots at the end zone or take one more
• 27:25
  shot and try to get 10 to 15 yards closer.
• 27:28
  It's just bad. It's, it's just terrible play
• 27:32
  calling because your terrible play, calling, terrible game
• 27:35
  management, everything communication between the play
• 27:39
  caller, and the person that is responsible for getting timeouts
• 27:43
  on the field. Namely corn and Fuente and went
• 27:46
  they went they not telling him. I have three timeouts.
• 27:51
  Your entire Playbook is open. Yeah, I know you don't and
• 27:56
  that's part of like communicate. Make sure your play caller is
• 28:01
  doing what you think needs to be done because act buck stops with
• 28:05
  you buddy. Yep. 100%.
• 28:10
  All right Ron. Let's just talk about the last
• 28:12
  two receivers real quick. Trey only had one catch Circus,
• 28:16
  catch, but I noticed on a few other passing plays after that
• 28:21
  one, big Circus catch and then targeting him.
• 28:24
  The safety was over top him. The rest of the day he was doing
• 28:27
  was not getting any more single man coverage and I think that
• 28:33
  helped open up it helped open up the Run game and it helped open
• 28:36
  up you know Thanks for guys. Like Caleb Smith.
• 28:40
  Who had one of his. It wasn't to statistically big
• 28:43
  but got caught a touchdown from walk on to scholarship to
• 28:47
  catching touchdowns from up here, in Louisa County, big, big
• 28:52
  play tray. Let everybody else get the big
• 28:54
  plays because they were scared as hell of him and Caleb Smith
• 28:58
  taking it home. Yeah.
• 29:00
  And I think Trey was just happy to play that game.
• 29:03
  Yeah. If we're if we're being honest
• 29:04
  with, like, knowing that It's going to be his last game in
• 29:09
  Lane. Just the fact he was able to go
• 29:11
  out there and and finish the game.
• 29:14
  I think that was big for him and shout and shout out to Trey
• 29:17
  Turner like everything you could want in a hokey.
• 29:23
  Yep. So I mean great.
• 29:25
  Great career here. So shout out to him on playing
• 29:27
  his last home game as a hokey. Can I say something about that?
• 29:31
  Yeah, buddy went up with his kids and Trey.
• 29:34
  Actually during the hook you all came over and gave them all.
• 29:36
  The five. He's got a picture of it.
• 29:39
  Just shows you hear me. He is definitely a fans player.
• 29:46
  Yep. I am favorite like everything.
• 29:52
  You want to put. Put in that bucket.
• 29:53
  That's the trade. Turner is.
• 29:55
  So shout out to Trey. Great.
• 29:57
  Great job and we've loved watching you play here.
• 30:01
  Is we have And then, Caleb tell me.
• 30:07
  You saw the give credits to whoever was the producer for
• 30:11
  that game yesterday when they showed the Caleb Smith touchdown
• 30:15
  because they had ran like in the long run game where he was
• 30:18
  blocking and then he released and he went up field, two plays
• 30:23
  later, they run the same play, he's blocking to guide.
• 30:25
  You sheds in like forgets about on the safeties come up and it's
• 30:28
  the same, we use the scenes again that exists.
• 30:33
  It exists. Two times now, two times.
• 30:38
  Wow, yeah. And I, you know, I like the that
• 30:41
  we had to set up there, I liked it.
• 30:42
  We were getting inventive with how we were going to get our
• 30:45
  guys open in the passing game. I just keep going back to.
• 30:51
  Where the hell is this Ben? All right, don't know why?
• 30:53
  We're, we're emptying the playbook for Duke brought Brian.
• 30:59
  Let's do it. Brian has a juxtaposition.
• 31:02
  Brian. Is a little heated. so go ahead,
• 31:06
  Brian and it's not just this year things like every year
• 31:10
  under this coaching staff, well, it seems like every year we have
• 31:17
  the bad game followed up by something like this, right?
• 31:24
  We've had, you know, pit and then we follow that up.
• 31:30
  We've got this game, we follow it up.
• 31:33
  I mean, I'm just I'm a little confused that we last year.
• 31:38
  We've had some gains very similar to that the essentially
• 31:41
  the entire month of November and December.
• 31:43
  Then we get Eva like Like, why can't we?
• 31:51
  So essentially win the games that we should win.
• 31:55
  All the time. Well Brian.
• 31:57
  Most of the time, right? Go back.
• 31:59
  Go back to the first year. The lawsuit of Syracuse in the
• 32:03
  dome. Yeah, not like a one or two
• 32:05
  point got just got smashed. You know what that you remember?
• 32:09
  What the next game was? What was that with the Miami
• 32:12
  game that first year? Miami game, where we absolutely
• 32:16
  curb stomp them? Yeah, and let's talk about Miami
• 32:19
  game. That was the game after Duke in
• 32:20
  2019 where we get blown out by Duke and then we go out and
• 32:24
  shock. Miami.
• 32:26
  Nobody gave us a chance and that game.
• 32:28
  No, not at all. Not at all.
• 32:32
  So it's just one of those weird things where it's like, it's an
• 32:36
  Mo of this coaching staff, just like, we're going to have a
• 32:40
  really bad game, like just bad bad in all aspects.
• 32:46
  Do some really screwed up things.
• 32:47
  Within the next week we're going to make the fans us included.
• 32:52
  Right? Where, where, where was this?
• 32:56
  This year? We get to say, where was this
• 32:57
  there in multiple games? I just, where was this?
• 33:00
  Last week even though we get a direct correlation back to last
• 33:04
  week. So hopefully what's the feel is
• 33:08
  it's not to more much more of this Braun.
• 33:13
  Hopefully they can carry the momentum to Miami which is going
• 33:15
  to be a night game down at Miami 730, kick right. 738 CC Network
• 33:22
  kick. So good times on that Brian.
• 33:25
  Let's flip, let's talk about the defense for a few minutes here
• 33:27
  for we get a few more things, popped up.
• 33:30
  We About Gunnar Holmberg. Daughter Holmberg ruled out the
• 33:33
  last second root out, but fully dress.
• 33:36
  I'm guessing he was there emergency emergency QB,
• 33:39
  emergency quarterback. If everybody was injured, they
• 33:42
  will essentially, the guys, they had the two other guys.
• 33:45
  They had he would have came in essentially good enough to play,
• 33:49
  but not good enough, where you felt like, he could go a full
• 33:53
  game of getting pounded on. So, smart - I mean it benefited
• 33:58
  us. I mean, definitely, they.
• 34:00
  They took some of their teeth out of the passing game.
• 34:03
  Yep. But of course, we was two more
• 34:07
  athletic quarterbacks, right? Whole bars?
• 34:09
  They're like here. Riley, Leonard's like here and
• 34:12
  Morgan. Finally King.
• 34:13
  It's like here. So it was clearly something,
• 34:19
  where if he was dressed, he just hadn't probably.
• 34:22
  He probably hadn't done any of the lead-up.
• 34:25
  It probably just, and more probably had just been Leonard
• 34:29
  and that's Tire, you know, credit to our credit though,
• 34:34
  having those guys And we still held them under a hundred yards
• 34:38
  below their average. Yeah.
• 34:40
  Well, over a hundred yards below their average.
• 34:43
  And then on the money Downs, they we show up again.
• 34:46
  Unlike BC, there's back to the juxtaposition, they were 5 for
• 34:50
  19, they were Dreadful on third, and fourth downs, and it's why
• 34:56
  we sort of dominated the game. Yeah, definitely one of our
• 35:00
  better defensive performances of the year.
• 35:03
  I put it at least in kind of the top three there.
• 35:07
  Nothing. Nothing will really match what
• 35:08
  we did Week, 1 against you and see.
• 35:11
  We really, really peaked early defensively.
• 35:15
  And it's been a kind of up and down back half.
• 35:17
  But this this was one of the the better better games for us.
• 35:22
  And it started with the guys inside at the the linebacker
• 35:27
  position Dax hollifield, Alan Tisdale probably the overall
• 35:34
  best games they've had. You're definitely the best games
• 35:37
  they've had in the in the month of October and November.
• 35:41
  Yeah, you know tackling well, they attack has four laws.
• 35:47
  Have some sacks. Tisdale was in there making some
• 35:52
  making some noise to acts had some, some key stops on some key
• 35:55
  Downs. So you love to see that d-line
• 35:59
  got pressure all day, didn't didn't really get to finish
• 36:02
  those but they definitely put the quarterbacks and some bad
• 36:05
  spot. It's some errant throws some
• 36:07
  throws, you know, released sooner than they were ready
• 36:11
  off-target things like that. Forced a lot of throws on the
• 36:16
  run and a lot of throws just getting the rid of the ball
• 36:19
  because they ran out of time. Oh absolutely.
• 36:21
  And the other thing both the front half did altogether.
• 36:24
  Mateo Durant was not a factor of 1,000 yard running back was no
• 36:28
  Factor. He only had ten carries and one
• 36:35
  of the other running backs, we did not mention the other week,
• 36:37
  but Trent Davis was out there more because he's more pass
• 36:40
  catcher. Yeah, so yeah they really had to
• 36:43
  I had to go away from their game plan and really with with the
• 36:46
  quarterbacks they had in there, they would have much preferred
• 36:49
  to stick with a with a run first offense and we got them out of
• 36:54
  that real quick. Oh yes we did.
• 36:57
  But we guess we did now there was one time near the end of the
• 37:01
  game where they did get home didn't derail Pollard in Taiwan
• 37:06
  Garbutt. Pollard gets the strip sack and
• 37:10
  then Garbutt picks it up. Runs it into the end zone.
• 37:13
  The game was well, in hand at that point, but that was, let's
• 37:15
  just a great explanation point that they were still playing
• 37:18
  hard to the end. Yeah.
• 37:20
  And I like that this was even though it didn't happen in the
• 37:24
  first half. Like I wanted where we were Meg
• 37:27
  aggressive in the two-minute drill to from the jump.
• 37:30
  Instead of, you know, once we got one big play there, I like
• 37:36
  that in the second half we didn't take our foot off the gas
• 37:39
  pedal. That's been different than
• 37:42
  really any other game. I've seen this year, we weren't
• 37:45
  content with just having a double-digit lead.
• 37:48
  We weren't just going to sit on that.
• 37:49
  We were going to keep going. I think it might be the first
• 37:53
  time all year I have to go back and look but it feels like it's
• 37:56
  the first time all year second half we scored more points in
• 37:59
  first half. Yeah, maybe a middle Tennessee.
• 38:03
  Might have been the only other one where made of Middle
• 38:05
  Tennessee and that was mainly because the first half was such
• 38:09
  a downer. Yeah.
• 38:10
  West Virginia to, but the Western, and I think the point
• 38:15
  we're trying to make is we had points on the board.
• 38:18
  We had the game under control instead of playing conservative
• 38:21
  and kept attacking, kept attacking, kept attacked those
• 38:23
  other games were either closed or where we were down going into
• 38:26
  half. Yeah.
• 38:28
  Whereas in this case, we had a pretty decent Lead, taking it to
• 38:31
  the half and we said we're not done.
• 38:34
  All right? Yep.
• 38:35
  Only ask you one question. More on what Jordan wore did
• 38:39
  really near the end of the game? I know we were rotating guys in
• 38:42
  and out does it give you any pause for concern with the Run
• 38:47
  game of how he looked? And I know the last two guys
• 38:50
  with Van Dyken potentially burning Armstrong aren't that.
• 38:55
  But just in general, if we start, if we keep this similar
• 38:58
  defense going in 2022, I think it'll be okay.
• 39:05
  I think I think there's some tweaks that still need to
• 39:07
  happen. I think the overall scheme is
• 39:10
  still a work in progress. I think we did see we have seen
• 39:12
  overall progression from year one to year two in this defense.
• 39:19
  You know the question is going to be is this going to be our
• 39:21
  defense going into into next year or not?
• 39:25
  But When we talk about the next two games though.
• 39:31
  You know, we are looking at guys that can run the football and
• 39:35
  they both can throw the ball. Assuming both of them are
• 39:38
  playing in those games and that's going to be the struggle,
• 39:43
  right? We have struggled with with guys
• 39:46
  that even weren't the best thrower.
• 39:48
  If they could run in throw, even if they were get the ball, more
• 39:51
  down, feel like a Schrader we struggled there.
• 39:54
  So we'll see how that works out. We know Armstrong is more of a
• 39:59
  throw first player even though. He is an athlete Van Dyke, a
• 40:04
  little bit of the same, right. So they're both still throw
• 40:07
  first where a Schrader was was more of a run-and-gun deep type
• 40:12
  type quarterback. So we'll see if that plays more
• 40:16
  into our defense has favored or not.
• 40:18
  But yeah, it's definitely something to be concerned about
• 40:20
  but we'll look into it. I'm sure they'll have some new
• 40:23
  wrinkles and adjustments to counter some of what UVA in
• 40:28
  Miami do absolutely. Before we get, It into just one
• 40:31
  more piece. Why they throwing so many flags
• 40:36
  on Jermaine wall? Or for just playing defense, and
• 40:39
  why is the Umpire get in the way and then the back judge, don't
• 40:41
  want to flag on it. Yep.
• 40:45
  That was the worst because the the Umpire was in the way which
• 40:50
  made the receiver, stop his route.
• 40:55
  Instead of diving for the football, he stops his route and
• 40:58
  that and Waller was already essentially reading the play as
• 41:02
  if he was going down for the ball and now you got a receiver
• 41:06
  that's like right up on you. I don't like that.
• 41:12
  You know, there was three flags on and probably only one was
• 41:15
  actually legitimately pass interference.
• 41:18
  What haven't been over hand fighting?
• 41:20
  And he literally it literally the way it looked.
• 41:22
  It was like at the last second, his arm was extended right
• 41:26
  before Bobo's was extended and they throw it.
• 41:28
  It's just like they're fighting, that's not a flag.
• 41:33
  Again, we talked about the ACC officials.
• 41:35
  We know they don't like to throw the flags very much in the pie,
• 41:40
  but when they do, it's very inconsistent.
• 41:42
  Austin, I think that's the problem, you know?
• 41:43
  If if you're not going to throw it be consistent, if you're
• 41:46
  going to throw it be consistent, I don't care so much one way or
• 41:51
  the other. I just want you to be consistent
• 41:54
  that way, you know. Predictable outcomes, right?
• 41:56
  Yeah. Any shock to you how much he
• 41:59
  covered by the being 65 220. I mean, he's done.
• 42:04
  Well, have been against bigger receivers in the past?
• 42:06
  So I mean, I don't think that was too shocking, he definitely
• 42:11
  held Bobo. In check.
• 42:15
  Yeah. In just three catches for a
• 42:18
  little over 30 yards. Yeah.
• 42:20
  All those lower output games all year reception and we know we
• 42:24
  did they didn't have the best best, quarterbacks pulling the
• 42:27
  trigger there, but at the same time, you know, he held him in
• 42:31
  check, even when he had time, he was there in coverage, so Shout
• 42:37
  out to Waller great game. Continuing another great season
• 42:43
  here for him. Yes, he is.
• 42:45
  All right, we're on before we take a break and then come back
• 42:49
  with some stuff you've been digging up.
• 42:51
  I wanted to kind of go over the defensive rankings because okay,
• 42:56
  I don't know if everybody looks like it's something I followed,
• 42:58
  but let's go ahead, scoring. We are 32 in the country were
• 43:02
  given up 21 game compared to last year, Leaps and Bounds
• 43:08
  better than we were last year Leaps and Bounds.
• 43:12
  Not even question, we are a top 15 passing defense but the run
• 43:20
  defense is still struggling over 103 yards or excuse me, 130
• 43:25
  You're over 186 yards, the Red Zone D, still struggling at 99
• 43:32
  but there is something I noticed.
• 43:34
  And I know you've been talking about this with the new scheme
• 43:36
  where in how many, how many Red Zone trips?
• 43:41
  Do you think we've had this year?
• 43:45
  I'm not safe. You, I'd say significantly fewer
• 43:48
  than last year. It is.
• 43:50
  It's only 23. And and the numbers are getting
• 43:55
  a little bit. Better 17 touchdowns to six
• 43:58
  field goals, but only 23 trips where, when I was digging
• 44:01
  through the data, there are teams that are like UVA, has
• 44:05
  over forty four trips into the Red Zone against them.
• 44:09
  Over forty four trips and they're giving up like 75% of
• 44:13
  the time, the score and they're ranked higher than us.
• 44:16
  But it's also like but you've also let teams get double the
• 44:20
  times into the 20-yard line that says something because if
• 44:25
  they're getting down and you're scoring and they're scoring as
• 44:28
  75% clip and the other we're only we're giving up 80 but
• 44:33
  you're only getting there two times a game, it helps.
• 44:37
  Total Defense, 60. Where would you give them a
• 44:40
  grade right now? Defense in general.
• 44:47
  I'd say it's somewhere in that b-minus c-plus range.
• 44:51
  I'd probably go see. Plus, I'd like to see the Red
• 44:54
  Zone improve in terms of stops and especially forcing the feel.
• 45:00
  I, we definitely need Force more field goals, you know, you're
• 45:04
  rarely going to give get a ton of true stops there, but we need
• 45:08
  to definitely be closer to that, you know, 65 70 percent in terms
• 45:14
  of force and field goals there. Now when we talk about the
• 45:20
  running, the rush defense that that's concerning but we have
• 45:25
  done a good job of stopping the bleeding throughout drives.
• 45:29
  A lot of the big gains are coming early in the drive and
• 45:34
  then we're settling in and then getting off the field.
• 45:38
  You know, the problem is that when they do get in the Red Zone
• 45:41
  that's when the rush defense should be bowing up a little bit
• 45:44
  and it hasn't Yeah, so I think I think that's that's more
• 45:48
  concerning than necessarily. The fact that they're getting a
• 45:52
  bunch of yards there. And we really only had what like
• 45:57
  to to bad defense leg bad defensive games.
• 46:04
  Yeah, Syracuse and Syracuse and Notre Dame with the too bad
• 46:08
  defensive games. Yeah, Notre Dame, it was really,
• 46:14
  it was like a it was like the be - game until the end of the game
• 46:20
  and then it was the f - it went from like Hey we're doing okay,
• 46:24
  too. What do we just put on the field
• 46:27
  for two drives at the end of the game?
• 46:29
  Yeah, so you had you had two bad games.
• 46:31
  You had to and games like pit pit probably goes in that
• 46:36
  category you share. I mean pit was scored over 50.
• 46:42
  We home to 28 it's a a game because the offense just
• 46:45
  couldn't do anything. I'm talking about the rush
• 46:47
  defense. Oh yeah, yeah, right Stephen's.
• 46:49
  I'm sorry, I'm sorry, my bad man.
• 46:51
  Yeah. Yeah, they shouldn't be able to
• 46:53
  run the ball like that against us.
• 46:56
  Got it. Now they held Kenny Pickett as
• 47:00
  much in. Check is pretty much any defense
• 47:02
  has this year, but we gave up too many yards in the Run game.
• 47:08
  Couldn't stop. Couldn't set the edge.
• 47:10
  Well, outside containing the running game was awful extended
• 47:13
  drives when it shouldn't have. So that was the problem that
• 47:17
  game but like I said, I'd probably go see plus B, minus
• 47:21
  range overall, definitely the strength of the team outside of
• 47:25
  special teams this year. And we finally had a couple
• 47:30
  games in here in the last few weeks where, you know, offense
• 47:35
  and defense showed up a little bit at the same time, especially
• 47:38
  against Duke. Finally looks like four
• 47:40
  quarters. Yeah, both sides of the ball
• 47:43
  doing pretty well. Closed.
• 47:45
  In the Georgia Tech game about 1/4 was all for the offense at
• 47:48
  Georgia Tech was that way too. And, you know what?
• 47:51
  The next two games were going to need it.
• 47:53
  We're going to need eight quarters of everybody being on
• 47:56
  the same page. Just Just to get to a bowl game
• 48:00
  and to get to a bowl game for these kids who did not get one
• 48:03
  last year as there is some normalcy this year, you're going
• 48:06
  to probably see bowls or probably going to get to go
• 48:08
  early. There's gonna be some protocols
• 48:10
  but you hope we can. I want to pull both out.
• 48:15
  And then like watch chaos happen and we like make the ACC
• 48:19
  Championship game and would have to say we go shoot, what do we
• 48:22
  do? What do we do?
• 48:23
  What do we do? What do we do?
• 48:24
  What do we do? What do we do?
• 48:26
  It'll be in. Yeah, yeah, foresee that
• 48:28
  happening but yeah, only it could still happen.
• 48:32
  I definitely want to see us. I definitely want to see us win
• 48:34
  out here, regardless of what happens on that front because
• 48:39
  both of these games are rivalry games, both of these games
• 48:42
  matter on the recruiting Trail. There's there's a lot riding on
• 48:45
  this. That has nothing to do with,
• 48:47
  who's the head coach next year, 100%, 100%.
• 48:51
  All right. Brian, before we get into
• 48:53
  another topic tonight. We are going to take a quick
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• 49:26
  guys, what we're looking at tonight in kind of a discussion,
• 49:31
  everybody might McDaniels over at sons of Saturday and hokey
• 49:34
  hangover podcast. Released a tweet this week,
• 49:38
  talking about sport Eco in their College Athletic Department
• 49:43
  financial data base. I thought I picked at it.
• 49:48
  But the big guy out of here. What are they saying?
• 49:53
  I went down the rabbit hole for multiple days.
• 49:58
  Yeah. Brian, I'm going to just assume
• 50:03
  that you looked a lot of VT. I looked a lot at Virginia Tech.
• 50:08
  Absolutely that's where I started and then I started
• 50:11
  looking at other ACC teams and then comp teams and other
• 50:16
  conferences all right, so I mean are we 1 to 10?
• 50:26
  Where we bring? Let's do that first one to 10.
• 50:29
  Are we terrible or we average and we slightly above average or
• 50:34
  what would you say? So we're kind of in the bottom
• 50:36
  end and overall Revenue in the ACC that probably shouldn't
• 50:42
  shouldn't shocky that many people.
• 50:46
  But when you look, I think it's, when you look at the breakdowns
• 50:50
  that's where some of the story gets told.
• 50:52
  So I'm gonna throw something up real.
• 50:53
  Quick here for the folks watching just to give you an
• 50:57
  idea of what we're looking at, what I was looking at.
• 51:01
  And so this is the, can I say one thing down?
• 51:05
  Yes, he one thing, if you're listening to this on the podcast
• 51:10
  on on tomorrow Tuesday or Wednesday at about 52 minutes.
• 51:16
  If you go to our YouTube page, you'll be able to see the
• 51:19
  documents primers are bringing up.
• 51:21
  Yep. So What?
• 51:24
  Right now I'm just we're focusing on revenues here,
• 51:27
  obviously expenses matter, but I was more curious about money
• 51:32
  coming in. Then I was about, you know what,
• 51:35
  it's getting spent on. So like I said, we got, we got
• 51:40
  the chart here, you know, breaks it down by different buckets of
• 51:44
  where the revenues coming from. It breaks it down over, on the
• 51:47
  left hand, side of the chart of you know where What sport or in
• 51:55
  this, in this case, also nonspecific not sport-specific.
• 51:58
  So, like just a general scholarship type situation where
• 52:02
  that money is being spent or where that money's allocated to,
• 52:06
  in terms of the budget. And there's there's several
• 52:10
  takeaways here. So I'm going to go ahead and pop
• 52:13
  this off your and just start talking a little bit more here.
• 52:15
  So let's start with Virginia Tech's numbers, and I'm going to
• 52:19
  break this into good bad and ugly.
• 52:22
  We're going Spaghetti spaghetti western here always.
• 52:28
  So we'll start with the good. We are better than every other
• 52:35
  ACC team in terms of media rights.
• 52:39
  And that's that's based on obviously this is just public
• 52:42
  schools because it's just public data.
• 52:45
  So we don't have Wake Forest numbers.
• 52:48
  We don't have Miami numbers. We don't have pit numbers.
• 52:50
  We don't have BC numbers, we don't have sit there.
• 52:52
  There's a, it's not yet. It is not public.
• 52:55
  Well, I do know. Yep.
• 52:59
  So no wake, no Duke. So there's a lot of numbers that
• 53:04
  we don't have probably half the ACC that we don't have, but in
• 53:09
  terms of the ones we do, we're at the top and meteorites
• 53:12
  overall. So across all sports, why do you
• 53:17
  think it is? I mean that that like I think
• 53:20
  meteorites I think well good Lord, where we're down, tucked
• 53:25
  in Southwest Virginia where someone like Simpson is notes,
• 53:30
  north of Greenville, South of Charlotte.
• 53:33
  You think, you know, UVA Charlottesville is a pretty good
• 53:36
  metro area only in about, you know, an hour west of Richmond.
• 53:41
  Why do you think we're one of the better media deals?
• 53:45
  Yeah, I'm not sure. I don't know if that has
• 53:46
  something to do with the ACC Network having a studio in lane
• 53:51
  or any other factor, that that's related to that.
• 53:54
  But we do better than every other school.
• 53:58
  In the ACC public wise in terms of those meteorites.
• 54:03
  And that's taking into account that the ACC media deal is
• 54:07
  absolutely the worst. In all the power 5, even Pac-12
• 54:12
  is your average school has a little is generating more
• 54:15
  revenue and meteorites than your average ACC schools.
• 54:19
  So if we can get that worked out, that bucket is going to go
• 54:23
  up across the board. So it'll go for Virginia Tech as
• 54:26
  well. And you know, it starts with
• 54:29
  getting Comcast on board, with the ACC Network, it starts with
• 54:32
  better deal in terms of the actual Financial figures per
• 54:38
  School in the deal overall. So that's the good, the bad, the
• 54:47
  bad while, not the bottom of the conference, in terms of
• 54:51
  donations, we are behind key competitors.
• 54:56
  We are behind UVA. Clemson FSU Louisville.
• 55:00
  And we're pretty much squared up with UNC and that's again,
• 55:03
  that's donations across all sports.
• 55:07
  So we're not just looking at football, we're looking at
• 55:09
  across all sports. We're a shade better in
• 55:12
  football, then then we are in overall, but it's not, it's
• 55:18
  negligible this. Now let's say that this is 1920,
• 55:22
  right? This is 1920.
• 55:24
  Yes, they don't have the the fiscal information for the last
• 55:28
  Last calendar year. Yeah, we're getting scooped onto
• 55:30
  gifted. Yeah, yeah.
• 55:34
  Well so and I know donations have been trending up.
• 55:38
  So we might be, we may be firmly ahead of UNC, although UNC has
• 55:43
  been on a big donation, push as well so they may have matched us
• 55:47
  there with some of the things Mac has been doing.
• 55:50
  Even though it hasn't translated to wins like they like on the
• 55:53
  field, but they have been making a big push in recruiting and
• 55:57
  that tends to help. With donations and things like
• 55:59
  that. So more than likely, we're
• 56:02
  probably pretty, pretty squared up with you and see still, but
• 56:06
  having UVA and obviously Louisville most of thats
• 56:10
  basketball. Yeah, they're not doing a whole
• 56:14
  lot on the football front, that that's the team that we just we
• 56:17
  jump UVA, and, and Louisville. When you just look at football
• 56:22
  donations, okay, but overall, we're lagging behind where
• 56:29
  Almost 10 million behind Louisville, in overall donations
• 56:32
  and eight million behind. Sorry, seven million behind UVA
• 56:36
  and overall donations. But the whole thing about
• 56:39
  thinking over all donations Brian, isn't it?
• 56:42
  If their overall donating more money to whatever sport Football
• 56:46
  is the biggest pie. So if there's some booster and
• 56:50
  UVA getting two million to the basketball program, the two
• 56:54
  million that might come out of the big media rights deal for
• 56:57
  football. We don't have to pay that over
• 57:00
  there boosters taken care of it with the big donation, right?
• 57:04
  Yeah. And when we looked at the chart
• 57:06
  earlier, I've been the majority of our donations or non
• 57:09
  sport-specific so that's getting divvied up on some degree of
• 57:13
  percentage rate and that's driving me five that's the drive
• 57:17
  for 45 campaign. Yeah.
• 57:19
  And Clemson had a very similar thing where they weren't
• 57:21
  crushing Us in football donations.
• 57:23
  But if Tey it, we're going to get to that in a second is like
• 57:27
  out of the fucking ball park. So now let's get to the ugly.
• 57:34
  This is the one that I again I need to look into more of where
• 57:40
  Where this is going and what we're doing.
• 57:44
  But Licensing and ads. We are behind pretty much
• 57:51
  everyone in the ACC and the rest of power 5.
• 57:55
  We are ungodly low in this bucket.
• 57:58
  Like we're just over two million, most of the rest of the
• 58:02
  ACC is eight million and up. So I'm not sure.
• 58:07
  Yeah, I'm not sure what we are not doing or doing wrong in
• 58:13
  this, this sector. But that that is the biggest
• 58:18
  area that we are lagging behind. Even the bottom feeders in the
• 58:24
  ACC in terms of Revenue? Well, that mean to me, I would
• 58:30
  say here that my first thought is what we're in, Southwest
• 58:34
  Virginia. The biggest Metro city is
• 58:38
  rolling up, north the other big metros that we have so much.
• 58:44
  Relationship with our hours upon hours away.
• 58:48
  Yeah. And there's also, there's also
• 58:51
  other institutions that Our kind of home basis for for those
• 58:57
  schools as well. Right?
• 58:59
  Well, it's true. Car loan going off.
• 59:04
  One moment. Not my car alarm.
• 59:10
  There we go. Probably somebody sitting on a
• 59:14
  key in their living rooms Show. Ladies and Gentlemen, live show
• 59:17
  what happens on but I think we're it may show a real concern
• 59:24
  is DC is one of the biggest alumni markets.
• 59:31
  Yep. There's opportunity there
• 59:33
  Charlotte Atlanta Richmond, the 75 and the beach Area.
• 59:39
  Raleigh Winston-Salem you have these Pockets where there are a
• 59:43
  ton of alumni? Why aren't we attempting to get
• 59:49
  some licensing and ads in those areas?
• 59:52
  Where there's something there to sell.
• 59:54
  Yeah, I don't know if this is just the Classic VT running, the
• 59:58
  mom and pop organization on the financial side.
• 1:00:00
  In some cases where, you know, we become mature in some areas
• 1:00:05
  of that and then others still seem like they're stuck in, you
• 1:00:10
  know, the late 90s in terms of how they go about the business.
• 1:00:14
  So I don't know if it's more of a combination of that or what
• 1:00:18
  but that is that's where we are giving up the most ground to
• 1:00:21
  everyone else in our Yeah, and because this looks not enough,
• 1:00:26
  is it? It's not enough for the
• 1:00:28
  meteorites to compensate know, so, just because we're tops in
• 1:00:32
  meteorites, that's not compensating for that drop off
• 1:00:37
  and then, you know, donations are only, you know, like we
• 1:00:41
  said, middle-of-the-road overall.
• 1:00:44
  So they're not bad, they're not hurting us, but they're not
• 1:00:47
  acting as a benefit and when you talk about not just in the
• 1:00:51
  conference but when you Look at all of power 5, you know, when
• 1:00:56
  you're competing against those schools, especially ones that
• 1:00:59
  have those better media deals donations become a bigger role
• 1:01:03
  because they are something that if you get the right motivation,
• 1:01:08
  is easier to start stacking in the bucket, right?
• 1:01:13
  So, that's where we talked about donations and saying donations,
• 1:01:16
  e to improve. Yeah, that's the easiest to
• 1:01:18
  improve. So that's why it's pushed.
• 1:01:23
  But so one of the thing I did was look at some other schools
• 1:01:28
  that we compare against and the one I kept landing on based in
• 1:01:32
  this was mostly based on kind of historical, at least recent
• 1:01:35
  history of the success of the programs and the overall alumni
• 1:01:40
  base, they're very similar. So that's Michigan State
• 1:01:43
  University. And in terms of donations,
• 1:01:48
  pretty much right on the same ballpark as Virginia Tech in
• 1:01:51
  terms of the the The revenue in the 1920 year for donations
• 1:01:57
  right at the 21 and a half million range, okay.
• 1:02:01
  But, but they are kicking our butts in the in the one area we
• 1:02:07
  suffer in and actually in also in the area that we are best in.
• 1:02:11
  So this this shows you how much better the Big Ten deal is than
• 1:02:18
  the ACC meteorites for Michigan State University.
• 1:02:23
  Are 16 million higher. So they are in the 44 million
• 1:02:27
  and change range. Good gracious.
• 1:02:31
  Yeah. Then you've got licensing ads.
• 1:02:35
  They are 16 and a half million so they are 14 million higher
• 1:02:41
  than Virginia Tech in that one. Budgetary bucket.
• 1:02:49
  And those are the two buckets where if you sum up, is actually
• 1:02:53
  making up the difference between our overall revenues because the
• 1:02:57
  overall Revenue difference is just over 30 million Virginia
• 1:03:00
  Tech just under 100 million in Michigan State, just over 130
• 1:03:06
  million. So those two areas the
• 1:03:08
  meteorites in the licensing and ads are where the big
• 1:03:11
  differences. Well, you're saying 30 overall
• 1:03:15
  and I'm just pulling this up here, Brian.
• 1:03:17
  Now, if you want to pull it up on the screen, Their total
• 1:03:21
  revenues 130 million, that's it saying, because if you think
• 1:03:27
  about where he and I'm, and I'm going back and I'm, as you were
• 1:03:31
  saying all this, I'm pulling up a map here about where East
• 1:03:35
  Lansing Michigan is East Lansing.
• 1:03:37
  Michigan is about two hours West of Detroit.
• 1:03:40
  They're not Ann Arbor is literally 45 minutes outside.
• 1:03:45
  We're Michigan is so that license in hand Revenue?
• 1:03:50
  Says a lot to me because I don't know.
• 1:03:54
  They're not in a super rural Grand Rapids has a couple hours
• 1:03:57
  West they are there more in a I don't know what you'd call it
• 1:04:03
  may be greater metro area where you're going to hit CDs here and
• 1:04:08
  there. But to have that sort of like,
• 1:04:11
  as in an ads, concerns me, can you pull up and tell me just
• 1:04:17
  what the license and and football are Because I want to
• 1:04:20
  see the difference there because I mean, obviously, Michigan.
• 1:04:23
  State has is a Michigan State. Basketball has been on the map
• 1:04:26
  for 25 years. What's the difference in
• 1:04:29
  licensing? Ad for football compared to So
• 1:04:35
  for Virginia Tech. Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  Alright, let's let's take a look here.
• 1:04:45
  So, football is essentially a little over half of that total,
• 1:04:53
  most of it. Most of the rest goes into non
• 1:04:56
  sport-specific, so I'm guessing just general licensing of
• 1:05:01
  apparel and things like that. Okay, so you like the other
• 1:05:06
  sport specific. So like, if you would go out
• 1:05:09
  there and harshly, push the 1999 jerseys or some of the Pro
• 1:05:14
  Combat Uniforms from, Mid 2000's or the early 2010's.
• 1:05:21
  So, in Michigan state has a very classic uniform, right?
• 1:05:24
  You don't see them, go crazy all of a sudden.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah, but they come sit here. Thinking are we missing the
• 1:05:30
  opportunities there? Where they're not.
• 1:05:35
  It's possible. I I don't again they they don't
• 1:05:37
  separate this out ads versus licensing so I'm not sure what
• 1:05:42
  what Michigan state is doing. Well that we're not doing I just
• 1:05:46
  know that we're not doing doing this to any degree that any
• 1:05:49
  other power 5 school is. So I don't think just geographic
• 1:05:53
  region has anything to do with the hindrance there because
• 1:05:58
  there are other schools that have a similar.
• 1:06:03
  You know, Geographic footprint that are doing much better.
• 1:06:09
  Yeah. And I like the way Braun because
• 1:06:11
  I can see the next two bronze. I'm talking about here.
• 1:06:13
  I like the way you pulled one out of another conference
• 1:06:16
  because when we think Michigan State football, we are kind of
• 1:06:20
  on equals with them 20 years ago.
• 1:06:22
  We were well ahead of them. 15 years ago, we were home in years
• 1:06:25
  ago. We were well ahead of them.
• 1:06:27
  Five years ago is when you know they made the playoffs, they've
• 1:06:30
  been more of a power than what we've been.
• 1:06:34
  And I also think if you know, you think about Michigan State
• 1:06:38
  University, you know land-grant school right down at about the
• 1:06:44
  same time back in the 1870s. So age-wise, same age, same type
• 1:06:52
  donor base, so, you know and like I said, overall alumni base
• 1:06:55
  is about the same. They're a little A bit heavier
• 1:06:57
  and donations or like I said a pretty much flat.
• 1:07:00
  I think actually Virginia Tech has a small overall advantage in
• 1:07:04
  donations, compared to Michigan State.
• 1:07:07
  But again, they're making up for that in those meteorites and
• 1:07:10
  Licensing and ads and then some, but let's go ahead and turn back
• 1:07:15
  to the ACC. And we're going to look at the
• 1:07:17
  obvious. One here, Clemson and right off
• 1:07:21
  the bat, this one shot me. I know what shocked you when I
• 1:07:23
  put it on the, on the screen there yet.
• 1:07:27
  Ginny attack. + 10 million on Clemson in meteorites.
• 1:07:32
  Well, I can't explain that one. They're close to made Metro
• 1:07:37
  areas there a Big Brand right now.
• 1:07:41
  They're a Big Brand where you think they could be selling
• 1:07:44
  things in these meteorites for so many different other
• 1:07:49
  opportunity. Good Lord, a Disney movie made,
• 1:07:51
  ya know that get some distance and again this is 1920 so that
• 1:07:57
  would probably be in either. Last year's numbers are going
• 1:08:00
  into next year's numbers but in general.
• 1:08:04
  Yeah in general you would think Clemson has has been in a
• 1:08:09
  situation where there meteorites would be at least Least in the
• 1:08:12
  ballpark of Virginia Tech, right?
• 1:08:14
  But they're not now football those numbers are pretty even
• 1:08:19
  and actually Virginia Tech still has a small Advantage there but
• 1:08:22
  but more or less. They're even there.
• 1:08:23
  They're losing the ground in the other sorts.
• 1:08:26
  Well, which kind of makes sense. Yeah, we've all heard about the
• 1:08:30
  donations in that campaign. How much is that plus minus or
• 1:08:33
  Plus? All right.
• 1:08:34
  So the difference between Clemson and really any other
• 1:08:39
  school is that they make up for it in two areas and the biggest
• 1:08:43
  one is donations where they double us up.
• 1:08:49
  So how much is a number? They are at 44 million in
• 1:08:55
  donations that in most of that is the non sport-specific.
• 1:09:02
  Ipped a fundraising drive that they have ran up to great
• 1:09:08
  success. And like I said, doubling up,
• 1:09:14
  Virginia Tech in that bucket is significant, but they're also
• 1:09:17
  plus 10 million in licensing and ads.
• 1:09:20
  So they're at that kind of 12 and a half million range.
• 1:09:23
  They also do something that not every public ACC institution
• 1:09:27
  does and they actually have a significant direct institutional
• 1:09:31
  support where they give five million directly to their
• 1:09:37
  athletic department in direct institutional support, whereas
• 1:09:41
  Virginia Tech It is in the like bear, like 2,000.
• 1:09:46
  It's a very small figure wasn't the president of that school.
• 1:09:50
  Made the decision back a few years ago that they were going
• 1:09:57
  to go all in. It's out like by giving five to
• 1:10:01
  six million dollars. It helps, right.
• 1:10:05
  Yeah. The only other school that gives
• 1:10:07
  direct more as FSU in terms of the publicly available
• 1:10:10
  information. Okay, not helping them a lot
• 1:10:13
  now, but still it's a good. But notes here here's the ones
• 1:10:17
  that Here's the one I want to talk about, let's I want to look
• 1:10:22
  at the donations, the direct institutional support.
• 1:10:26
  You got to have a president that will in the write.
• 1:10:27
  Those checks, out of the out of certain funds, to say here's 10
• 1:10:34
  million, the life incentive that things, you know, makes sense,
• 1:10:42
  right? Last ten years, they won
• 1:10:45
  multiple national titles, tons of NFL players, then you can go
• 1:10:50
  actually go. But here's the thing.
• 1:10:52
  The brand is out there. Yes, yes.
• 1:10:55
  The brand somewhat cells Excel itself.
• 1:10:58
  Yeah, here's the thing where I think Virginia Tech has to
• 1:11:02
  figure out what it's doing wrong.
• 1:11:05
  You know, the difference between the amount of living alumni for
• 1:11:07
  both schools, it's pretty significant.
• 1:11:11
  It is Clemson's. And about 150,000 Virginia
• 1:11:14
  Tech's, it almost 240,000 and is on the little that is ninety
• 1:11:19
  thousand more give or take alumni.
• 1:11:23
  Now a thousand more people, you can attempt to reach out to to
• 1:11:26
  get funding from. And again why did they start to
• 1:11:29
  drive for 25 this because if you can get just do the math for on
• 1:11:34
  if every single Virginia Tech Alumni.
• 1:11:38
  Actually, you know what? Let's go 80%.
• 1:11:41
  Yep. You know, go 80% and say if a
• 1:11:46
  You know, 175,000 simply gave $25 a year.
• 1:11:53
  Minimum, it's like a four million dollar thing.
• 1:11:58
  That's not counting. Your big donors is not counting
• 1:12:00
  people. Giving more now on, that's 25 a
• 1:12:03
  year. Now, if you said they're going
• 1:12:05
  to do a 25 every month, I mean roof through the roof.
• 1:12:12
  Um, you essentially at like, 150 175 thousand 170,000 people
• 1:12:19
  you're looking at like 50 million It's three hundred
• 1:12:22
  dollars a year. And you don't know everybody
• 1:12:26
  situation but if to push the donation thing, the 25 was kind
• 1:12:32
  of an ingenious move to me. You get people gone and they
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  give 25. And then you say, you know, can
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  you give 25 every month? A lot of people will say, yeah,
• 1:12:44
  right. Yeah, almost.
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  I mean, I don't think there's anyone that can say, unless they
• 1:12:51
  are just so fed up with the direction of a program or the
• 1:12:55
  athletic department, as a whole, that they wouldn't give $25 a
• 1:12:58
  year. Yep.
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  I mean and then once you get $25 a year, all right, well now 50
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  do too much even if you don't do that, you get 25 every time,
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  there's a seasonal fundraising event.
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  Yep. You know, you get the, the ones
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  that kind of come either, whether it's giving day, whether
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  it's, you know, the stuff during the season.
• 1:13:21
  Whether it's a specific campaign within basketball season or
• 1:13:25
  football season, you get like five or six of those,
• 1:13:28
  opportunities in a given calendar year for fiscal year, I
• 1:13:32
  should say and, you know, now they start giving 25 every time
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  they're, you know, now that starting to build so, It's a
• 1:13:44
  good campaign. I'm hoping that we started
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  seeing more and more participation because I think
• 1:13:51
  the problem now isn't isn't the dollars.
• 1:13:53
  It's the, it's the participation.
• 1:13:55
  If we can get participation to be a little bit closer to the
• 1:13:58
  goal. Yeah, then I think you'll start
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  seeing, you know, and I'm not saying we're going to get to
• 1:14:03
  Clemson numbers, but I think we can match.
• 1:14:05
  UVA numbers. We just we're about to talk
• 1:14:07
  about now. What's good?
• 1:14:09
  So we found from the UVA crowd. Yeah, so The Big Chill again.
• 1:14:15
  Let's talk about is similar to its not to the degree of
• 1:14:19
  Clemson, but it's very much in the same.
• 1:14:22
  Same vein. We are behind six and a half
• 1:14:26
  million in donations to UVA there in the the 27 and change
• 1:14:32
  million category there so we're giving up some ground to UVA
• 1:14:38
  there. A lot of that isn't football,
• 1:14:39
  some of that is basketball. Some of that is just general
• 1:14:42
  donations. But it's still something we're
• 1:14:46
  lagging behind a department that we consider ourselves to be
• 1:14:51
  better, then especially in football and more recently
• 1:14:57
  catching them in overall athletic prowess.
• 1:15:03
  So let's talk about the other piece of it.
• 1:15:05
  So we've talked about lagging behind license tags, add that's
• 1:15:07
  been across the board. We're behind eight million.
• 1:15:12
  Compared to UVA placing ads. What exactly are they publishing
• 1:15:17
  out there? That people are?
• 1:15:21
  You know I'm guessing it's going to be the basketball stuff.
• 1:15:24
  That's the only thing I can think of.
• 1:15:30
  I can't imagine anything else and I guess maybe.
• 1:15:36
  I mean, they have a lot of sports that they play at a high
• 1:15:38
  level, right. Route.
• 1:15:40
  So so yeah. They have a strong top to bottom
• 1:15:44
  athletic department even though their football has legs
• 1:15:47
  significantly behind overall, 15 years.
• 1:15:51
  Yeah, TV years. Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  So, I still don't get why we're struggling, like I would, I
• 1:16:00
  don't have a problem that we're behind in it.
• 1:16:03
  I have a problem. How far we were behind it.
• 1:16:05
  Yeah, yeah. Excellent.
• 1:16:07
  Well for them, for UVA as far as don't know, Nations, never upset
• 1:16:11
  me because there's always been stories.
• 1:16:13
  They've had three or four and large donors that love the
• 1:16:16
  athletic that they're not stroking 1 million dollar checks
• 1:16:19
  their stroking, 10 million dollar checks and of guys
• 1:16:23
  stroking that every year because he's got the excess cash.
• 1:16:26
  Josh. That's tough to catch up.
• 1:16:28
  Clemson, did it the other way? Clemson went volume.
• 1:16:31
  We're going to get as many people involved in as much money
• 1:16:33
  along big donors. Again the license in an ad I
• 1:16:38
  just don't get it. Do you talk about the basketball
• 1:16:40
  program? You know, it seems to me and you
• 1:16:45
  said it before and we've heard it before.
• 1:16:49
  It is the Mom and Pops organization, that's running the
• 1:16:52
  donations, and that's running things like that.
• 1:16:56
  It's not the donations. The like, you can't do that.
• 1:17:00
  Pull up, pull up. Pull up the screen, one more
• 1:17:02
  time run. Just just just so everybody can
• 1:17:05
  realize this Scroll down just a little bit so we can see total
• 1:17:11
  revenues no no revenues uh my bad.
• 1:17:16
  We're a hundred million dollar athletic.
• 1:17:18
  We are 100 million dollar business.
• 1:17:22
  A hundred million dollars. I'm in the insurance business.
• 1:17:27
  I see many businesses every day that do not have that sort of
• 1:17:30
  gross income. So what this tells me is,
• 1:17:38
  They've got to spend more money on operations, more people,
• 1:17:41
  updating it you said it earlier on, it's not the 1990 still you
• 1:17:46
  cannot recruit and we've had several conversations on this,
• 1:17:50
  you know, on this podcast before about it.
• 1:17:54
  Yeah. And I don't think what we're
• 1:17:55
  saying I'm not I'm not saying I know Curtis isn't saying that
• 1:17:58
  either. We're not saying if financials
• 1:18:01
  improved so we'll product It's a piece of the pie, it's not the
• 1:18:05
  whole puzzle. No, it's not.
• 1:18:06
  There's a lot of things that have to improve recruiting
• 1:18:09
  overall, not just the investment in recruiting, but you got to
• 1:18:12
  get better at recruiting and closing.
• 1:18:14
  Yep. You got to get better on in-game
• 1:18:18
  adjustments, you. I mean, there's there's a lot of
• 1:18:20
  things that are related to the coaching staff directly that
• 1:18:24
  still need to be fixed, but if you want to set up anyone for
• 1:18:28
  Success, finances have to get better.
• 1:18:31
  And you know what we talked about It last week to Brian,
• 1:18:35
  give wit credit where we are financially from where when he
• 1:18:39
  came in after Jim Weaver, we're well ahead.
• 1:18:42
  We talked about it last week. Remember, and you sit and you
• 1:18:46
  said specifically and this was before this reporting came out,
• 1:18:49
  we're better financially than what we were six years or seven
• 1:18:53
  years ago and that's big. We can be better though and I
• 1:18:58
  think now that, you know, obviously the next tires Big and
• 1:19:03
  football for with very big and when he's going through that
• 1:19:10
  interview, I think, if you have someone from the marketing
• 1:19:13
  department, talking to him, right?
• 1:19:15
  Like listen let you know, we want a great football coach.
• 1:19:17
  We want a guy who's can get can motivate the kids can recruit.
• 1:19:21
  But we also want somebody out there that can sell the program,
• 1:19:26
  they can sell the program, sell the program, get the donors,
• 1:19:30
  make the donors, happy and some of that's, you know, or feel
• 1:19:33
  proud. Well, the dogs, but some of that
• 1:19:35
  is talking to the donors conversations with the donors
• 1:19:38
  access. Like, there's so many things
• 1:19:40
  that this this regime has not done well that effect held
• 1:19:45
  owners are willing to hand over their funds.
• 1:19:50
  But after seeing this tonight to Brian the licensing and adds,
• 1:19:54
  yeah, if you have something that's something that doesn't
• 1:19:56
  really. That's an internal thing.
• 1:19:59
  It's an internal thing, but if you have a more, if you Mike
• 1:20:03
  young right now. Tell me that there's virtually
• 1:20:09
  not going to be someone that loves hockey basketball enough
• 1:20:13
  that has some big company that is going to be willing to stroke
• 1:20:17
  a big check to say. I want to sponsor this I want
• 1:20:23
  Virginia Tech stuff on my merchandise.
• 1:20:26
  Yeah you got to have that sort of personality Who can go out
• 1:20:32
  and sell the program and then convince well, I'm going to buy
• 1:20:36
  some ads. Yeah, I want to do this.
• 1:20:38
  I want to put your logo on the side of my.
• 1:20:41
  I've got my company Polo and I want your logo over here.
• 1:20:46
  So, how much do I haven't do? We talk about it.
• 1:20:48
  Amazon deals sponsoring football.
• 1:20:52
  I mean we've got a relationship with Amazon in place.
• 1:20:56
  Now let's go ahead and give us 100 million.
• 1:21:00
  Yeah, I think I think the problem is that with football.
• 1:21:04
  They limit the small sponsorships, but they are very
• 1:21:08
  stuck in these. We have these relationships that
• 1:21:12
  we've had for four years and we're sticking with them.
• 1:21:16
  We're not looking for new like it's very much a we have what we
• 1:21:21
  have and We're happy with it so we're not, we're not touching
• 1:21:25
  it, the brand is bigger, go after something else.
• 1:21:29
  I'm going to give you massive Kudos, great research job on
• 1:21:33
  this. Hoping opening people's eyes.
• 1:21:35
  Go to sport Eco. Go to the SEC and look what a
• 1:21:39
  program. Like, Arkansas are your sales
• 1:21:41
  like 137 million dollars Revenue a year.
• 1:21:45
  And I know a lot of that's from meteorites, but they've got a
• 1:21:47
  lot of other stuff going on, too.
• 1:21:49
  All right, Brian, let's talk about Saturday, picking for we
• 1:21:52
  close it up tonight on Rhine rough week.
• 1:21:57
  Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.
• 1:22:00
  Brian went 3 and 7 got pit. Got BC.
• 1:22:08
  Got it. NC State do not get into the
• 1:22:14
  state. My bad.
• 1:22:18
  Hold on here, I got pit I got See, who did I get BC in
• 1:22:29
  Michigan? Michigan.
• 1:22:31
  Yep, that was the other one. All right, so I'm like, don't
• 1:22:34
  Brown 13 and 759 and fifty two. And one.
• 1:22:41
  I went everywhere. We differed you were right.
• 1:22:46
  Three. Yeah, the Notre Dame, UVA game.
• 1:22:48
  Brian was expecting Armstrong to play, he didn't I went five and
• 1:22:55
  five. So up to change some stuff up
• 1:22:57
  here. I miss the look.
• 1:22:59
  I thought I took weight but I didn't coin flip situation for
• 1:23:03
  me this week and you know we you feel like in this we got like
• 1:23:08
  Miami had it covered. Gave up a fourth and 14 and then
• 1:23:13
  the touchdown to lose the game. MC State lost what?
• 1:23:17
  By 3 you have to and you lose about three, it's gut-wrenching,
• 1:23:25
  the Baylor, Oklahoma game. I went Baylor, I don't know why,
• 1:23:32
  I guess I just thought home field but you know one of those
• 1:23:37
  weekend's, the one that I think shocked me and you more than
• 1:23:40
  anything. Pitt Bean UNC by touchdown.
• 1:23:46
  Pitt had a really off night. But cuse, Louisville.
• 1:23:54
  Yeah. Did anybody see that coming?
• 1:23:57
  Nah Louisville. Jumped on their ass early too.
• 1:24:01
  They did and it wasn't like turnovers or anything like that.
• 1:24:04
  Because I was when I open that the game, the stats Central for
• 1:24:09
  that I would expect to see I Schrader probably threw three
• 1:24:12
  picks or they fumble or return. Yeah, so no baby a pig six.
• 1:24:16
  Maybe a scoop and score it. Some bad Plumbing.
• 1:24:20
  Yeah. They had bad plumbing.
• 1:24:22
  And that was it. So I don't know Tennessee hung
• 1:24:28
  in there with Georgia for a while but I was talked.
• 1:24:31
  With my father-in-law really today and is some about Georgia.
• 1:24:37
  It was ten nothing earlier, right?
• 1:24:39
  We're ten Seven, Ten seven early.
• 1:24:41
  Yeah. How quick to Kirby Smart adjust.
• 1:24:46
  Second quarter, He adjusted put Tennessee was in Tennessee.
• 1:24:49
  Couldn't readjust second quarter heat, adjust it.
• 1:24:51
  And by the second half, it was locked down over and it's crazy
• 1:24:56
  because what I was talking about with him was when you have that
• 1:24:59
  many much talent on the field, you can adjust that quick.
• 1:25:04
  Most teams just like, we have to get to have time to figure this
• 1:25:08
  out. We can't adjust on the fly like
• 1:25:11
  this, because most, they adjusted they adjusted on the
• 1:25:14
  fly to stop any bleeding. Eating and then they made
• 1:25:17
  full-on adjustments that lock them.
• 1:25:18
  The hell down at halftime. It was crazy to see that go on.
• 1:25:28
  I'm not jealous here. Brian anything breaking?
• 1:25:31
  I haven't seen anything. Come across buddy, right?
• 1:25:34
  I am updating. I'm adding 1 to my loss column
• 1:25:38
  and Take it away one. So I am 64 and 44 now, just so
• 1:25:48
  you got. So, I got some ground to make up
• 1:25:49
  next week. He's got ground bronze.
• 1:25:53
  Going to have to just go opposite view every time I got
• 1:25:56
  to go at least war against you every week from here, on out.
• 1:25:59
  If I'm going to make up some ground, nothing for against us,
• 1:26:02
  for two weeks, then you have to choose every championship game
• 1:26:07
  against me, that's going to be fun.
• 1:26:10
  And then bowl games. It can happen.
• 1:26:13
  Olga, it can't happen. It is possible.
• 1:26:16
  All right. Well, if nothing has happened,
• 1:26:18
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• 1:26:22
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