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One Piece, 464-466 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering one piece
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episodes four sixty four through four sixty six. A Descendant of the Beast,
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Little Oars Junior, Full Speed Ahead, Justice for the Winners, and Goku's
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Strategy and Action and straw Hat Team arrives. Tension grows at the battlefield in
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these episodes. We've got Oars, a little baby Oars, and it seems
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like he's like actually dead And I just want to know who hurt Oda?
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Why does he need to do this to me? For what real? What
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did I do to you? Oda? This is extremely rude and heartless and
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you are a hell beast. Welcome spoil Me. Welcome to the show everyone.
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I am Natasha. Thank you very much to Florian for commissioning this episode.
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Florian is here in the chat, and thank you Florian for creating a
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character list. Florian's gonna try and share it with me here in the chat,
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but it is something that I may post in groups like on Facebook and
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stuff as well for other people to reference in case there's anybody else who's like
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sort of following along. I'm really really curious, honestly, if there's anybody
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who listens to these spoil me episodes. Who hasn't watched one piece already?
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Is there anybody who's following along and is like a total nube to this series
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the way that I am, Because if so, I definitely want to hear
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from you, and you may not hear back from me if you message me
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or like email me. I have been so behind lately, ukays, I
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am so behind. But uh, you know, I have to think that
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there's a you know, somebody out there who saw the Netflix series and was
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like, let me start the anime because I liked this Netflix series and is
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finding themselves a little bit lost, and maybe I can be some sort of
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beacon for them. I don't know, but uh, I you guys this
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show. There was a post in the Patron's Only Facebook group where a woman
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was on stage doing some stand up bit, but it was the kind where
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you interact with the audience a lot, and she said, like, you
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know, any television show's plotline sounds completely insane if you describe what it is
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in like simple terms, which is true, you know, really like pick
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a plot for a TV show and you're gonna sound nuts. But she then
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goes to the audience somebody tell me the name of a show real quick,
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and somebody yelled out one Piece, and I was just like, that is
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such an unfair choice. That is easy mode. One Piece isn't even I
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describe it to you, and it sounds crazy. You watch it, and
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it is crazy. There's nothing about this show that is normal. There's nothing
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about it that falls within the lines of what you're used to with television unless
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you are a big fan of anime already and you know, like a lot
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of tropes and stuff like this, but it is you know, she's describing
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it, and yeah, it sounds bonkers because it literally is the weirdest fucking
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show I've ever watched. So why are we putting that one out there?
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Choose something like Breaking Bad or you know what I mean, like The Wire,
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something that's got a more grounded premise, because that's a more difficult thing.
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But anyway, just wondering out there if there's anybody so these episodes,
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like the first of the three is the one that's most focused really on baby
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Oars. Now I'm curious, and I don't know if there's actually an answer
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to this. Uh you know, Florian may be able to answer, Uh,
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why remind me why Oors was called Ors? Why is this little guy
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also called Ars? Like I thought that I remember Ors being the name that
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was assigned, and I guess I must be wrong. So is like this
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dude baby ors Essentially? Is he really related or are they just talking to
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him like he's related? Or are the letters O RS like an uh anagram's
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an anagram that's not the one I want to know acronym for something. David
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says normal part of one piece, A group of friends hang out and have
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wacky hijinks. That's the most normal that you can say, And that's really
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not adequate. You'd say that they have wacky hijinks, and I'm thinking wacky,
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like, oh, there's a guy hiding in the closet because he doesn't
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want his friend to know that he was visiting so and so like a three's
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company. That's what I think when I'm thinking wacky. They're not wacky,
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you guys. This is straight up bonkers banana pants town, That's what this
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is. But Ores, it turns out, was like, you know,
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a friend of our crew, the white Beard crew for a long time,
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and we have a whole thing with him getting a hat from Ace I don't
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know what Oda's deal is with hats, but man, this dude fucking loves
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hats obsessed. How many people have their motivations like just boiled down to whether
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they're wearing a certain hat or not. It's truly hilarious in a way,
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Like I'm not mad at it because it is the sort of thing that's like
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symbolic of your identity and like a role that you can take on or off
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depending something that can be easily gifted, but then just becomes such a signature
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part of your look that everybody associates you with it. You know, there's
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very few pieces of clothing that are the type of thing that can be worn
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at all times. You know, if somebody gives you, like a T
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shirt, you may be able to wear that T shirt. But if you
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live anywhere where you have to put on a coat, then who cares about
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your T shirt? If you are given a coat and you're somewhere warm,
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if you're giving the wrong pair of shoes, you know, but hat,
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everybody's going to be able to tell what the hat is all the time.
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So it is kind of like a neat and tidy way of putting somebody's identity
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like up front and center. And I just the fact that this little guy,
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and I call him little because in spirit ors Junior is little. He
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is a giant man creature whatever. He's more than a giant, clearly.
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I don't remember if we ever find out exactly like what species he is,
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but Ores is towering over the giants. He's got to be at least three
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times their size. I feel like more than three times because he's like standing
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in the water in the ocean, you know, and sticking up out of
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it. I don't know that those giants could have reached him there. Once
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he's starting to get to land and approaching standing on the same surface that the
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giants are, they're like at his knees maybe hips. And this dude in
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his flashbacks, the first time that we see him, like next to Ace,
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Ace is asking, aren't you hot because you're like closer to the sun,
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and he says, I am, actually yeah. So Ace makes him
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a hat and we find out like he has to try a couple of times
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bless him. I just, you guys, there is nothing like and you
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know, I really want to like make it clear how I feel about this,
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because I am a huge perfectionist, right, And so I am in
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the process still of making gifts for my friends to send to them. I'm
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gonna be giving it as a Palatine's Date present, but they were meant initially
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to be Christmas and it was just like super not gonna happen. So I've
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been working on stuff and have been obsessing over whether things are adequate for gift
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giving, and I have kind of lost sight of the fact that, like,
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when I get a gift that's handmade by somebody, the last thing that
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I am looking at is whether or not they did an amazing, perfect job
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with it. And it's so it's such a difficult thing for me to apply
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to myself. I know, if I send my friends these like handmade things,
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they're not gonna be like, oh my god, do you see that
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she's like left some air bubbles in this resin that's so embarrassing, Like they're
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never even gonna notice, never mind criticize it. But I have this ridiculous
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standard in my head that I feel like I need to reach. And I
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get gifts that are handmade from friends. My excuse me, my mother hand
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made me a scarf. I've gotten gorgeous handmade things. When I was covering
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Harry Potter with Rashan, I had a listener hand make me a flower like
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a rose bouquet with every pedal made from a like paper, from a page
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of Harry Potter and paint and it was gorgeous. It was so beautiful,
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so stunning. Another listener made me this giant crochet blanket that I use all
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the time that Pippin loves. I know for a fact that these things I
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could look at and find like, oh, this was not done correctly.
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Have I done that? No? But I love them anyway. You know,
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Cam has made me a number of things and they're just precious because somebody
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took time and thought of me and made this with their hands. And it's
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not like buying a gift isn't meaningful as well, but it's just different when
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somebody has got like a craft that they decide that they're going to put that
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time into. So I really love the fact that it's not just that this
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is a hat somebody gave him, is a hat that was specifically made for
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him, and we find out that this hat it was the third try.
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Ace tried two times and he attempted and kept burning it up, which is
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hilarious the fact that he just is somebody who uses fire and apparently didn't exactly
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know how to turn it off and so kept lighting his old project on fire.
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Can you imagine anybody who's done like knitting or sewing or any kind of
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craft, if you had a like an ability that made it so that you
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might accidentally just send your project up in flames? How much would you just
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want to stab somebody in the throat every time? Kill me? It's hard
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enough when I've got something to show for it, never mind when it's when
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I don't. So Ace eventually does make him this hat, and it's really
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big. It's funny though, because like the show makes it like, oh,
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he doesn't get wet or doesn't get snow on him when he's wearing this
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hat, even though he is so huge, there's definitely snow all over him.
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His whole body doesn't fit under the hat. He's way too big for
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that. But it doesn't matter. The thing is that Ores is just delighted
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with it. Every time that they like ask him about it, he has
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to say it in like a little rymy way, and it's very very cute.
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It's clear that like the fact that somebody took interest and made this expressly
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for him just means a lot to him. And it does get me thinking,
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and you know, this is just my mind doing the things that it
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does, where it just spins out into complete tangent areas. Where did Oors
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get his clothes from? Who made him his pants and stuff? Where did
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he get him like was there did Ores have like a mommy who made him
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stuff? And he just like left home and he's only ever had this one
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pair of pants? How how did do they find clothing? Or you know
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what I'm saying, It would be really really funny if we got like a
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zoom in on his outfit and you saw that it was like patched together from
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like seven hundred pairs of pants that he had sewn together to make fit him.
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So anyway, this whole thing is uh like for the most part this
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episode, and there are other side things that I will get to, is
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about Oors making his way toward Ace. He is so determined to get there,
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and I think the plan is He's just gonna reach out, grab Ace,
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pick him up, and like rip the chains out of the wall and
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then take off and go back to the ship and just put ace like on
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the deck of the ship and they're gonna leave. I think that was all
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he had planned, which, frankly, if you're that big, yeah,
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I guess you can just do it that way. But he's coming through and
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like everybody is unleashing on him. But this was the thing that kind of
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like bugged me a little bit was that there are all of these warlords that
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we know are capable of truly next level basically continent shifting shit, and none
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of them does anything to stop Oars until he is like there already. And
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so we've got all of these like soldiers who are just like, how are
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we supposed to fight him? And I'm like, I really don't think you
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are supposed to fight him. Your guys, your bosses are supposed to fight
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him. What are they throwing you out there for? This isn't gonna do
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anything. You're not even big enough to like, like the swords as they're
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trying to wield, it's like a toothpick, you know, and sure enough
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toothpicks. It's gonna be very annoying and painful, but that's never gonna kill
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me unless you manage to get them up in my eye sockets or something,
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So what the fuck dudes step up and they just like sit back and watch,
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and I'm like, I happen to know that you've got people out here
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who can one freeze the entire ocean, to swing a sword from shoreline and
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cut an entire ship in half. There's like all kinds of powers out there,
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and none of you guys is lifting a finger. Why is that?
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And it's just really to like draw out the tension of everything and make it
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so that he's right there and almost at his goal when it all happens.
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And there is a part of me that is really side eyeing that when I
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said in my intro, like oda, who hurt you? It's just as
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much for the fact that like this was sad as it is that this was
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kind of manipulative. I have not met baby Ors ever. You know,
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we get him at the very end of the last episode, introduced as this
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dude who's like showing up out of nowhere, and then in this episode we
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get the whole sad backstory. And this is for me one of those sort
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of like unforgivable sins. An episode of a television show that introduces a character
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gives you their backstory to make you care and then immediately kills them if he's
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actually dead, which he may not be, because that doesn't seem to happen
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in the show, but I don't know. He seemed pretty dead and the
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only reason for us getting the backstory is so that they can like pull your
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heart strings with this death. And it works like better here than it works
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in the shows that I think of as like the primary what's the word offenders.
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Every single time that I bring up this trope, I will mention walking
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dead. It's just absolutely theirm O. I don't know if in later seasons
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it stayed as bad as it was initially, but in that show, it
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wasn't necessarily that the character would have been introduced in the same episode. Oftentimes
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you would have had a character that was around but very tertiary, like had
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two lines per episode max, and then all of a sudden, you'd get
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an episode where they would have a lot more lines, and you would get
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like a flashback to what their life was like before the zombie apocalypse, and
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you would see them do something really heroic and really fucking being crude to the
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group all of a sudden, and any time that you started to see these
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things. It was an immediate giveaway, Oh he gonna die. He did,
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That's what's happening. All they're doing is trying to like add this pathos
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to this death in the laziest possible way, where it's just you took no
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time to make us care about this person for like a full season that they
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were with us, and now all of a sudden, you want to try
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and put all of that character development in one episode and then kill him like
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before that's even set in. Come on, they were the worst offenders with
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that. I won't try and say that this is as bad, because honestly
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it's not as bad. The writers of Walking Dead could learn something from one
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piece, but it did kind of feel to me like there was a lot
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that could have been done to handle baby ors further out, and we just
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didn't do that because drama. We just need the drama, and nobody's reacting
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the way they ordinarily would or should. And it's a really tricky thing because
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you've got characters that can be really smart sometimes enemies who are they are good
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at predicting what the their opposition is going to do, and they have things
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like somewhat just enough in hand to make it feel like they're actually making an
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effort. You've got to balance that with them doing things that really make no
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sense at all. And to a degree, that's what we're getting in this
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arc right now. The and his lobby Wait no impel down arc is less
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that because the ways in which they're like working through this prison have never been
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done before. And I'm not I think that, like this kind of attack
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on the Marines has never been attempted either, so this may be new,
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but like there is a point at which, uh, what is it Sengoku's
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is that the name of the guy with the the seagulls on the sides of
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his hat. There's a point when all of the ships come up from underwater
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and he literally says, why didn't we plan for this? And it just
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really felt like Oda trying to be like, look, look, look,
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I know that they should have known, and y'all are going to ask why
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they didn't, and I've got to address it. They just didn't think of
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it, Okay. It felt like the sort of thing where he knows if
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I'm writing this with them actually being intelligent, they would have had people underwater
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keeping an eye out. They would have figured out a way to do that.
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You know, I'm sorry, David says. There's a character who was
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introduced in thriller Bark who alluded to someone who won't show up for dot dot
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Dot soul. I won't say who on either end, only that you missed
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them. Oh really I missed them? Wait that I missed them, like,
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oh I miss that guy, or I missed them like they were on
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screen and I didn't see. I'm not sure which one you mean. I
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think you mean the first one. I took it as the second one initially,
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but Sengoku is Seagull's sphear hair. Okay, cool, thank you.
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So anyway, getting back to the thing, because you know, I've been
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talking a while about like some of the holes with this. All that said,
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though, it still was really effective and it's so pitiful as things really
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begin to fall apart for poor Oars. How he keeps saying, don't worry
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Ace, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm almost there, I'm here.
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And I was just like, oh, this is really sad and painful,
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Like the child like quality of the way he talks really lays it on,
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and there's just a sense overall of pathos and the first person to go at
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him is fucking uh do Flamingo said his name? And this dude I have
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had just about enough of his fucking monologuing. Like he this dude is out
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here talking about how like we stand on the full crumb of history and the
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basically long story short history is written by the victors. Like this dude needs
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to stop it. Okay, he is giving Joe Rogan, he is giving
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like YouTube bro guru that like isn't actually saying anything that deep or new,
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but he words in just such a way that people who are not very smart
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think he is. And there is nothing more infuriating than a person who seems
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smart to stupid people. It's just agonizing and the whole way that he's just
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got this smugness about him. I really hate this man truly like thumbs down,
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do not like. And he won't stop talking. He just keeps like
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fucking with his little commentary throughout the fighting and everything. Give it a rest,
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sir. Somebody turned his microphone off. Okay, he doesn't need airtime,
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I don't want, like, just fast forward through his ads, do
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not click subscribe, and do not give him a thumbs up. He has
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too much ego already. We don't need to be encouraging any of this.
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I mean, just the kind of dude that he would pull people on for
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interviews and just ask them the most like esoteric questions that don't really even have
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an answer, not because he gives a shit about the person he's interviewing and
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what they have to say, but because he wants to show off like his
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own intellect and answer his own question with an equally vague and meaningless answer.
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By the way, I can't with this dude. He just kept pushing my
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buttons. There's just he's just this type, you know. And I don't
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think I really like realized this about him because we haven't seen him in a
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prolonged situation. Really. There's been like like one whom he very first met
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him, where it was a big meeting of all these other dudes and they
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were very intolerant of his bullshit. But it's different when he's around people who
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aren't really peers. It's even worse, you know. I can see why
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everybody else is just like this guy. Can we fucking get back to the
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meeting? Please? Oh my god. Every time David says Dophie has the
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drippiest drip and then wrote, so, so Doe Flamingo is Andrew Tay Okay,
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I'm not gonna go that far, Oh Florine, Yes, I do
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see the link. Thank you for that. I I clicked on it and
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it said that I don't have access. I think it might I requested access.
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I think it's because I am signed in under a different account from Google.
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Apologies, but it is working like it's I was able to click it,
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So thank you, and I'm gonna save it. Uh but yeah,
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do Flamingo is Andrew? Like Andrew Tait's a literal sex trafficker. I wouldn't
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put it that far. I don't know, though, because we do have
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fucking straight up like slavery, We do have human trafficking in this show.
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So what do I know? Maybe that's Do Flamingo's whole jam. Maybe he
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makes a bunch of money that way. So sure, anybody listening, I
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really hope that you know already this is an Andrew hate it count like I'm
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never I don't want to hear it. If there's anyone listening who's like,
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well, you know, Andrew Tada, Actually they're planning to write a fucking
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email, don't bother, please not with the YouTube comments. I hate that
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man and he is trash and deserves to burn in hell for eternity, and
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I stand by that and I will never change my mind. I don't think
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there's a thing you could tell me about him that would ever make me go,
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oh, I had it all wrong. Nope, that's it. That's
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that. No problem, Floria, don't worry about it. I will will,
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We'll figure it out. But anyway, so yeah, this dude,
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ugh, he cuts off Baby Ors's leg like and the thing about it again
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is that Baby Ores has to be written with this like childlike cadence and understanding.
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And so you just hear him go ouch my foot in the most like
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it's it's you don't see what's happened yet when he says that, And so
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it doesn't hit until you see that his leg is ending in a stump that
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you're like, oh my god, Like that's not his foot, that's his
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whole like knees down and he begins to just teeter forward. Now, of
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course, is this enough to stop him. It is not. He is
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still pulling himself forward, reaching for ace. There is a whole lot I
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really wonder about this with the voice actors, like do they how how much
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of this do they actually do and how much of it is like, Oh,
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we just have like a soundboard full of like whimpering, groaning, agonized
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sounds that we just cut in when we need them. Because if they have
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to do this every time for every episode, I feel like that must get
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old so fast because it's just for most of these episodes, all Ace is
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doing is either saying no, oors stop and don't and then in between that
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he's going, oh, and that must really be tiresome to record and just
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making sure that all the sounds you're making last for enough time, and you
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know, like it just it must be very difficult as a voice actor.
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So we get a lot of that interspersed with oars attempting to continue like walking
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forward all of all of these like Marines, like the Vanilla Marines, not
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the ones with like real powers or anything. They are really not getting out
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of the way adequately. They're just sort of watching this guy coming at them
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and like they're assuming, I guess that he's not gonna get there in time
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to crush them, that he's gonna fall along before he reaches where they are.
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But they're like trusting way too much in that, considering the resilience that
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this dude has been shown to have already. And so they're just like watching
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him come near them, and then as he begins to like top over,
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they're yelling and running and I'm like, yeah, you really should have You
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should have made room. That should have been the first thing you did.
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Whatever happens, you're hoping this guy gets taken down. If he gets taken
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down, which down do you think he's going in? You don't think he's
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gonna try and fall in your direction on purpose, because it's like the least
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he could do. And that's like literally what he's saying as he's falling is
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like, well, if I can't save, the least I can do is
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take out when of the warlords. So he's out here fucking focused. This
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ores has a mission and he's gonna stick to it. And he's falling,
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and as this is like all happening, and he's still struggling, half falling,
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half pulling and like crawling himself forward, fucking Moriam is over here,
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like I can't believe this dough fucking flamingo cut the leg off my baby,
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that asshole, like It's like, it's like the sort of thing where I'm
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trying to get a certain stuffed animal at a carnival and I'm saying, like,
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oh, I want that one specifically, and then the game is that
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you have to like shoot an arrow into a stuffed animal and you shoot it
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into the one that I specifically said I wanted. Why are you like this?
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Oh my god? Now I'm fully on do Flamingo's side in that I
31:03
don't give a shit about your little fucking like campuppet collection, sir. I
31:07
am not interested in contributing to your bizarre fetish shit. That's your business.
31:14
You figure it out. You need to supply up, go do that on
31:18
your own time. We have a warrior fighting. This man was about to
31:21
like eat half our troops. Probably, I am doing what I need to
31:26
do. And the fact that you're throwing a little tantrum that I put a
31:30
hole in your jacket and now you need to patch it up. I'm so
31:36
sorry to interrupt your planning ahead for playtime with an actual battle. Wow.
31:42
Yeah, how could I do that to you? So anyway, this point,
31:51
Maria unleashes an attack. I don't remember having seen this before. I
31:56
may be just forgetting. Have we seen this shadow lizard. It's like shadow
32:02
spiky lizard or something like that, And it's basically like a blade of darkness.
32:10
That is, it's like a tiny little lizard made of shadow on the
32:20
but it's like tail. You could either say as like its tail is huge,
32:27
or it's like impaled on the end of a very very large blade.
32:30
I don't know which one you'd want to go with, but I'm sorry,
32:35
guys. If you can hear my cat, she's really needy. But this
32:38
thing, it's tipped with the lizard. So, like Maria shoots this darkness
32:46
up through the bottom of Ores's chin, like his throat. What do you
32:52
call this part between your actual chin and your throat? What is that the
32:59
base of your skull? Oh? No, that's back here. I don't
33:01
even know what you call this exactly, but anyway, it goes up through
33:06
that like soft tissue and out the top of his head. And he's still
33:09
talking, by the way, as this is all happening to him, so
33:15
it doesn't instantly kill him. But there is a point where his eyes go
33:24
white and lifeless, and it really seems like he's actually dead. I have
33:30
a hard time believing that the only reason that I would say he could actually
33:38
be dead is because he's not technically human, and it seems like those are
33:44
the characters that it is okay with killing mostly. He is okay with like
33:49
the non humans dying mostly, And that's the only reason that I might be
33:54
like, maybe he is dead, but I just I don't know. I
33:59
kind of feel like he might make it out the other side because we've seen
34:01
the eyes go white like this, and I've thought people were dead dead and
34:05
it turned out they were not. But it doesn't really matter. It's like
34:09
that and game isn't the point. What we're focused on here is the impact
34:14
of it, and everybody, like who knows ors just being devastated because he
34:21
is a sweety pie and the fact that he just refused to concede no matter
34:28
what was being done. He's still coming at them, he's still heading for
34:31
ace and he's still gonna do what he can. And it's a sacrifice,
34:37
you know, And it's kind of like a fucked up thing, but like
34:40
a nice thing that later on, when white Beard is yelling for everybody to
34:45
like go over like run over his body, you could see it. It's
34:49
like he's telling the crew to literally like walk all over his dead corpse.
34:53
But you know for a fact that if Or's spirit was standing there tell them
35:00
what to do, he'd be like, oh yeah, please perfect. At
35:01
least I can be of service. I'm a great bridge. Awesome, I'm
35:07
glad I could do something. You know. I feel like he would be
35:09
one hundred percent down without no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, I
35:13
would be surprised if he had not served as an actual bridge to his friends
35:17
in life. You know, they come to an island and there's a gorge
35:22
that they need to cross, and he just like steps down into it and
35:25
like you know, bends and lets them walk over his shoulders. Like I
35:30
feel like that's something that he probably has done. So this is how the
35:36
Whitebeard crew really gets into the mix. Like on the land, I don't
35:42
know if you call it land, because it's like it's been sort of a
35:45
weird thing with the last few locations that we have come to, from ns
35:52
Lobby to Impel down now to this, like particular, we've been to a
35:58
marine headquarters, but this is a different level of one. I don't know,
36:02
is this just called World Government headquarters or is there another name? For
36:07
this spot. I don't. I'm sorry guys if I missed something, but
36:12
it's sort of a weird thing where the buildings are the islands themselves, like
36:22
there is almost no land around the buildings. They're not like built on islands.
36:28
It really feels like if there's an island there, it was put in
36:31
place for a building to be built on it. It doesn't feel like the
36:36
buildings were like the second thing. They were the first idea. And so
36:43
I keep being like a little bit weird about how I talk about the location
36:50
because I'm saying, you know, when they reach land, and they haven't
36:52
exactly reached like land, but they have. It's a stationary thing. So
37:00
I guess that's adequate. But I don't know if they're kind of considered almost
37:04
like megaships of their own, like city ships something like that. Oh,
37:14
Florian says it's called Marine Ford and it is their main base, their HQ.
37:20
Okay, David, thank you for seeing the duality of dofie dofie.
37:25
I don't know why, but that's really funny. But anyway, that's you
37:32
know, how they managed to really get onto the main battlefield. And I'm
37:39
going to back up a little bit here because there's a whole thing with Kobe.
37:47
What are we doing with this? I'm sure it's going to pay off,
37:52
you know, I'm trust that. But from where I'm standing right now,
38:00
this is the weirdest little offshoot. I feel like there's probably been other
38:06
times, but they're escaping my notice when but there's there's probably been, but
38:14
I don't feel like it's happened very often where somebody who is such a little
38:20
side character, we just like check in with them and they're doing essentially nothing.
38:25
Every single time that we wind up checking in with Kobe, he's freaking
38:31
out because he feels helpless and can't do anything, and like the only things
38:37
that change are one what's making him feel helpless and like he can't do anything.
38:43
Sometimes it's just his own self doubt, it's seeing some other pair fighting,
38:46
or you know, he comes across this like fucking weirdo who kills one
38:50
of his own men because he says that if the guy's running minutes, better
38:53
for him to die than shame his family kind of thing, And I I
39:00
don't know where he has the very anime moment where he's told you can't do
39:10
anything, You've got to stay behind and stay out of the fucking way,
39:15
and he like punches the ground while crying angrily. I love this, by
39:20
the way, like it is such an anime trope. I I'm sure that
39:25
it's also done in live action, But when I imagine this move I am
39:30
imagining several different scenes I think from full Middle Alchemist Brotherhood. So anyway,
39:44
the whole deal with Kobe is him and hel Mepo and the two of them
39:52
like trying to simultaneously get out of the way and find anything that they can
39:59
do. There's a couple of stops within there where they talk about how Loofy
40:05
is so selfless and like, you know what he is willing to give up,
40:08
and just being in general impressed with him. But uh, there's not
40:14
a lot of forward movement with Kobe. And you know, I don't even
40:20
really want to say that I don't like it because I am trusting that it
40:24
will pay off and we don't spend too terribly much time with him. It's
40:29
not that bad, but it is just sort of like, I feel like
40:32
this could have been done a different way. Florian says, Yeah, the
40:37
Kobe thing is weird. I look for looking forward to hearing what you think
40:40
of it all right, Well, I'm looking forward to telling you. There's
40:45
nothing sexier to me than someone being like I'm really excited to hear your opinion.
40:51
That's why I have the job that I have. It's the best.
40:54
Okay, So talked about Kobe, talked about oars uh, and I guess
41:01
let's talk about Garp. Here. Garp is in this weird position where he
41:07
I know, can you just yeah, see, I shouldn't have even engaged
41:13
now she won't stop. Garp is remembering going to pick Ace up, and
41:21
it's really sweet, like he reacts to picking up as for the first time,
41:25
as if he is his own son. There's a real like sentimental look
41:29
in his eye, and it's just like all hearts and everything around him.
41:32
It's just really adorable. And David says, I think your cat has opinions
41:37
on Garp. Hey, ripley, Yeah, do you like Garb or no?
41:44
Now, if you like Garb? She shut up when I said that.
41:51
She stopped. Oh my god, she does have opinions about Garb.
41:54
I'm gonna have to bring you on as a guest later anyway, But he
42:01
has Garb and we kind of like, I don't remember I don't think we
42:06
ever see the circumstances under which he picks loofy up, do we. So
42:12
we've got that still as sort of a mystery. We just know that eventually
42:15
Lufy is like brought home to be with him, and well, I say
42:20
home at that point, they're not living with Garb anymore because they've been sent
42:22
somewhere else. I don't remember if it's at this point that like Garp has
42:28
gotten too many promotions and they're going to find that his kids are suspect or
42:34
what. But it was really making something like in the In the live action,
42:43
mild spoilers for that, but there are some scenes where you see Garp
42:49
raising Lufy and Ace. I don't think you meet Ace though I think he's
42:54
suggested, but I don't know if you do you see him, I don't
42:59
think so, but you see him at least raising Lufy and being really pissed
43:08
that Lufy wants to become a pirate. And by the time I watched the
43:14
live action, I had not gotten to like this stuff yet, so I
43:19
wasn't even like totally aware how much raising he did that there. You know,
43:24
they had enough time together for there to be this kind of scene between
43:28
them. But even if I knew that, I was quite taken aback at
43:34
how vehement he was right from the beginning at Loofy not becoming a pirate,
43:38
like the way that the type of anger he showed in that scene fell out
43:44
of proportion to just being like, but pirates are bad, you don't want
43:47
to do that, And it wasn't like I was actually still willing to accept
43:52
it. It felt out of proportion, but it felt appropriate for the tone
43:57
of the show, with how much like stuff is over the top, So
44:00
I didn't really question it very much. But now realizing who his father and
44:07
Ace's father are and the whole way that they went down, and how much
44:13
he's been trying to like honor the promises he's made by raising these kids in
44:17
like a decent way, and now they may just go down the exact same
44:22
road. Yeah, that would be very scary and like a fulfillment of your
44:28
worst case scenario. So I understand a lot better now why he was having
44:31
the reaction that he was having in that scene. So the there's an eventual
44:39
moment when Garthlake connects with Ace again. He like goes up onto the platform
44:46
and we wind up finding out that basically, like the Marines have decided,
44:51
well, all hell has broken loose. We are not sticking to the plan
44:55
we had like hours before we were going to execute him. Why would we
45:00
wait until then? Now, like, we'll just go ahead and do it.
45:05
And Garp goes to see Ace and just say his goodbyes, and he
45:15
you know, there's a real sense of like affection coming from Ace. He
45:22
just he feels like. I wouldn't say that he regrets what he's done,
45:30
because like he doesn't, Ace, if he knew where he wound up,
45:34
would do all of this shit over again exactly the same way. Is there
45:38
any doubt in anybody's mind? Like, come on, of course. So
45:44
I'm not trying to say like he regrets what he's done. I think he
45:47
is just regretting putting someone he really does actually care about through this. He's
45:53
certainly got his issues with Garp. They're a complicated relationship for sure, But
46:00
I don't I think that Ace is soft hearted enough at this point, especially
46:05
after seeing what so many people are willing to sacrifice for him, that it
46:12
is meaning a lot to have everyone here rooting for him, and even the
46:19
person who shouldn't be rooting for him, is admitting like this sucks. I
46:22
really wish like there was another way, you know, And a part of
46:27
me is like, is garb up there because he's gonna try and help at
46:30
the last second, to like help Ace make a break for it. Is
46:34
he gonna betray the Marines? I I wouldn't hate that, you know,
46:40
Like I'm not I don't really really totally want that, because there is something
46:45
interesting about the conflict of interest in having a man on the inside. But
46:51
maybe we've just gone as far as we can with that, and maybe he's
46:54
like a part of the plot and that I'm one hundred percent here for just
47:00
like for the record, And meanwhile, fucking sing Goku is over here,
47:07
like, oh, you have the gall to expect sympathy from me. No,
47:17
nobody thought that you weren't part of this, dude, they were having
47:22
a moment. It's not about you, and you're weird voy your shit.
47:29
Why do you need to be a part of this like intimate family. The
47:31
guy's about to die. Sh sh stop it gross. He makes me so
47:39
mad. I do not like him. His whole energy. It's like it's
47:45
really giving, like Percy Weasley, like a tough, Percy Weasley like a
47:50
badass, but also fuck you, yeah, teacher's pet being ass bitch.
48:00
And so that's my assessment today of send Goku and do Flamingo. So there
48:05
you go. David says, send Goku is there to make sure Garp doesn't
48:10
spring a set of jail. I'm sure he is. I don't like him
48:15
inserting himself into the conversation. Garp wasn't they were just talking. Garp wasn't
48:22
even like reaching down to take his hand in a suspicious manner. Just observe
48:29
and don't involve yourself in the conversation, say anything. Let it be,
48:35
have a little mercy. But I think it's clear that it is not a
48:40
man who really gives a shit about that kind of thing. So, oh
48:46
my god, you guys, the there's like a sort of like glacier.
48:53
I guess you want to say iceberg that is blocking other ships from getting through
48:59
to the mainland, so to speak. And we see a ship captained by
49:07
Whitey Bay, a dope ass looking pirate captains. I'm just gonna call her
49:15
a pirate captain. I do like Captain s even though I know adding s
49:20
or et to the end of words to feminize them can feel really like diminutizing
49:25
almost. I don't really feel that way. I think they sound really cool
49:30
with that, like talking about a murder. S. I'm sorry, that
49:34
just sounds cool as hell. So I don't have a problem with it.
49:37
And I want to make it clear when I call her a captain s.
49:40
Even though I am certain that word is not real, I mean it with
49:44
the utmost respect. I love it and her outfit beauty. I'm like the
49:50
whole like ice colors. She's got like all like Pastelle purple and green and
49:54
blue and white, and it just looks so awesome. I love this outfit,
50:00
and I really am worried that we're like not going to get to see
50:04
very much of her. I want her to be more of a thing.
50:07
This is the tricky thing for me as a woman watching this show is that
50:10
there's always like a woman. There's thirteen dudes and a woman, and every
50:16
time so far, the woman's been the weak link. Like it's kind of
50:22
sucked. So I really want a female pirate captain to be the main event
50:34
in some arc like pretty significant. You know. I don't know how that
50:37
would work, but and I just even like Alvida. She wound up kind
50:47
of being like the second hand to Buggy for most of the show. She
50:53
starts off with her own thing going on, and then she winds up like
50:59
whatever happens with like her ship or and so she has like teamed up with
51:04
someone and then that's how she stays until right before impel Down, where we
51:12
see her like I think she just basically like steals Buggy's crew if I'm not
51:17
mistaken, and it's just like, who the fuck's gonna check me? And
51:22
now I'm like hoping that she does get back to her own thing. I
51:25
just want to I miss that Heartship so fucking much. I think about that
51:31
ship every time I think of the show. That's the first image that pops
51:35
into my mind because it made such an impression when I was watching the first
51:38
episode and had no idea what was going on, and I saw that ship
51:43
and I was like, Okay, I'm in here, we go, let's
51:45
do this. Like that was the thing that convinced me. So having it
51:50
just be over that fast is still very heartbreaking, and I just, you
51:55
know, we could have do a new version of it, but I want
51:58
it back. I just loved it and still thinking I'm going to go as
52:02
her for Halloween this year, now that I've seen the show and everything,
52:07
That's going to be a very simple, easy causeplay immediately recognizable, and Owen
52:15
can go as another character, which we could do a whole lot with that.
52:20
Suggestions, please to those who know what Owen looks like to tell me
52:22
which one piece character he should cause play as. He could be a pretty
52:28
good Garb if you put gray in his hair. I don't Garb could get
52:32
it, So maybe we could just do a hot Garp anyway, Okay,
52:38
I feel like I actually, in my weird around the bush way of doing
52:45
this, talked about pretty much everything. Oh, no, last thing of
52:52
course, Loofy's crew and how they fell from the sky. This is one
53:02
of my favorite uses of the like voiceover narrator that they've ever done. Mostly
53:12
he just like says things in such a way that it's informative, but it's
53:16
not like engaging with the audience. I really love whenever there's a moment of
53:23
like in this one, like so you might be wondering why Lufy and his
53:29
friends are falling from the sky, and then later on, after the whole
53:34
story is laid out, about what happened. It ends with him going So
53:37
that is why Lufy and his friends are falling from the sky and it cracked
53:44
me up. I loved it. But anyway, so what happens is when
53:50
they do the tsunami thing, their ship gets pulled back, but there's like
53:54
a wave that's been frozen in place, and so they get pulled up to
53:59
the top and stuck on like the icy top, and Loofy is determined to
54:07
shift the ship so that they can fall down the other side. And there
54:15
I can't remember like the plane and how it was supposed to go, But
54:19
long story short, he breaks the side of the wave that's like in the
54:24
wrong direction, and it basically sends them careening through the sky. So that's
54:30
the point when like how Mepo and Kobe look up and they're like, wow,
54:36
he's uh, he's really coming in Okay. It's like he's in mid
54:40
air. Everybody's yelling, and he says to himself, I'm gonna be fine.
54:45
I'm made of rubber, and mister three is like, oh my god,
54:50
how about the rest of us, you selfish asshole? What the fuck
54:52
are you? What the fuck is your plan for us? This was not
54:55
how I thought I was gonna die. And I did find that funny because
55:00
like, Lufy can be very self absorbed in a different way, but when
55:05
it's everyone's like safety, that doesn't usually feel like a thing that completely like
55:10
doesn't cross his mind at all. So I did enjoy this guy being like,
55:15
Wow, fuck you too, my friend. I love to when we
55:22
jump from like different people and their reactions to everything. Mihawk is just like,
55:28
oh god, this kid is such a pain in the ass every time
55:32
with this guy. And then we get boy Hancock who's like, oh,
55:37
lufhy, I'm so glad you're okay, and it's just like, okay,
55:42
can kind of over that Smokey Smoky, Oh my god, I'm so sorry.
55:51
Smoker is wondering what Lufy and Crocodile are like paired up, like how
55:55
what they're doing together, And it turns out that Crocodile is out here to
56:02
kill white Beard, and I thought that he would like work his way up
56:07
to doing that once this immediate issue is taken care of, because that feels
56:13
like for him as well, the better way to handle the situation killing white
56:21
Beard when you're in the midst of a very clear US versus them situation in
56:28
which the US right now is mostly gathered behind his standard and is winning for
56:37
I'm gonna say that that seems what it's like right now. Why would you
56:42
kill the guy in charge? Now? That feels foolish and like it might
56:47
just be an opportunistic thing because he says like you should have kept your guard
56:52
up, But it really felt like the plan. It felt like he was
56:55
totally intending. The instant that he got anywhere near white Beard, that was
57:00
it. He was just gonna go for it. And I'm just like,
57:04
do you know what's gonna happen when everybody who's like on your side right now
57:07
thinks you've killed their captain and you're fucking still standing there. You don't think
57:13
they're just gonna like completely body slam you and take you down. I mean,
57:17
I guess he must just be that confident that there's not gonna be a
57:22
way for them to take him down. But it just felt like really really
57:25
shortsighted. Just wait until you've gotten out of here, my guy, and
57:30
he thinks you're more of a an ally, and then do it, you
57:35
know, gain his trust and then the stab him in the back. What
57:37
the fuck. I thought we all knew how this goes, so let's see.
57:45
Just making sure that I've gotten everything. I just again really enjoy everybody's
57:50
reactions. There's a moment when when Gecko Moria screaches is that straw and I
58:02
fell out because everybody else is like, well aware Lufy's still out there in
58:09
the mix, like everybody else has like seen or had run ins with him,
58:14
but like Maria is the most recent that was a like non government official,
58:22
big bad. So I just imagined it as like Maria got pulled to
58:28
this meeting where all the head honchos are, he is not up on his
58:32
info because he felt confident enough about how things went with Loofy that he was
58:37
like, well, he didn't make it out of that, even though like
58:39
you woke up pasted out on the lawn of your busted property and you hadn't
58:47
gotten the memo about the fact that this kid has been out and about nobody
58:52
wants to talk about like the break in an impill down. Everybody seems to
58:55
be very very very silent on that. So I imagine it like he really
59:00
thought he was done with this kid, and then he just sees him like
59:02
sailing through the air and is like you fucks, oh my god. And
59:08
uh, he is government ish. But that's why I said he's like,
59:12
he's not an official government agent, because everybody since him has been like on
59:19
the payroll very openly in the uniform. And he's really like the last one
59:24
that we've dealt with that wasn't part of that crew ever since. Uh,
59:30
everybody's been like sent in different directions from that island. Lufy's been just on
59:38
his own fighting impel down and what was the other one and his lobby right
59:46
or no? And his lobby came before that impel down was after because we
59:52
had rescued Robin by then, right anyway, But am I wrong about that?
59:57
I feel like that's the timing anyway. Anyway, Anyway, as my
1:00:01
cat so desperately is trying to remind me, I really do have to wrap
1:00:05
up. I do like as well that when Lufy lands and white Beard is
1:00:13
just like, if you fucking with your nerve get in my way and ruin
1:00:17
this, I will fuck you up, and Lufy just being like, who
1:00:22
the fuck are you. I'm gonna do what I want and I'm gonna save
1:00:24
his ass thanks for nothing, And I just kind of like the fact that
1:00:28
even though they're on the same side technically they are already kind of annoyed with
1:00:31
each other. I just like that, So okay, I am going to
1:00:37
wrap that up. Oh that was only loofy, but yes, you're right,
1:00:43
Florian, everybody. Florian pointed out the other big bad being Boa,
1:00:47
who I kind of don't count because there's like the combo of the fact of
1:00:52
how much she fell in love with Lufy, like right away, but also
1:00:55
that that was like Lufy's sort of weird side questing all his friends got one
1:01:02
from where they landed, and he sort of got one too. But that's
1:01:07
true. So I'm gonna give you that all right, everybody, thank you
1:01:09
again so much for listening. Really enjoyed these episodes The Weird Show and until
1:01:15
next time to the Loo motherfuckers. That was an unspoiled Network podcast.