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1993's Dave · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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movie talk show where each week one of us takes a movie off our
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shelf, presents it to the other, and discusses it at length.
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This week we've got Coming off of my Shelf 1993's Dave an owed
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to a Co host, right, We've Got It here, directed by Ivan
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Reitman, written by Gary Ross, starring Kevin Kline, Sigourney
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Weaver and a cast of a lot of names that turned out to be
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names that would not be names. Yet.
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At this juncture in 1993, David, welcome back to the couch.
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How are you doing this week? I'm pretty good fantastic.
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And what are your initial thoughts on the movie and have
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you a history with? It valid questions, Phillip, if
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you had told me Bill Pullman was in this movie.
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Jesus, he's just any president just footballing up.
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There, I would have called you a liar.
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OK, Calvin Klein is not a guy. That gets Kevin Klein.
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Didn't let me finish. Oh, I'm sorry, didn't let me
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finish. Calvin Klein is not a guy
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that'll get me to the theatre. Gotcha.
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Kevin Klein is also a guy. Will not get me into the
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theatre. Haven't seen a theatrical movie
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in about four years, so that's not true.
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Moana 2 buddy. Find film.
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Check it out. It's available on VHS now.
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Probably your Disney collection. Absolutely.
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From the vault. Big thick boxes.
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Yeah. So the fact that he doesn't draw
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me in. Yeah, I had not seen this movie,
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and I really don't like the title.
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Oh, really? And I'm going to tell you why.
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Please, 1993, I'm on EU OK? Things are going well for me.
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All right? I had a lot of potential.
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I had a lot of talent. 93, I was right in the middle of my
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screenplay story of my troubled childhood.
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And I titled it Dave. This movie comes out, It's over.
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I abandoned it. Yeah, that was it.
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The decline began, then never recovered.
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Wow. Sure, I could have called it
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David, but I don't think it would have the emotional punch
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like Dave. Yeah.
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So I got into drugs. OK So this movie got ruined my
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life. Wow I feel bad about bringing it
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off but. This is going to be therapeutic.
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We're going to go through it. I'm mostly joking.
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Mostly I have been working on something for a very long time,
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but it's not titled. Days you could do an exclamation
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mark is Dave Dave yeah right. Maybe that or a question mark,
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Dave, Dave that totally you got options, just you don't change
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that punctuation this brings. Us to you, the Y and the why
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Now. Now, Groundhog Day was a bit of
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a layup for itself, really. Your last four movies, three of
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them have included the president.
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Yeah. I don't know what's going on
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here, but give me some specifics about this one.
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The situation is I am desperate to see good politics in action.
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OK, even if I have to go to a movie from 30 plus years ago to
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find. It.
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Wow, yeah. I love the political world and I
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love it most when it's in movies like.
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This Have you seen West Wing? 'S favorite show.
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Thank you for asking. Of course I like House of Cards
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like it doesn't always have to be positive interesting.
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It is endlessly interesting to me, and I like it when it's
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light and fluffy, particularly when you're dealing with murders
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on the street. So I'm looking for a little
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leadership here. Hmm.
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And I have to tell you, we watched a few movies over the
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course of the podcast, but more specifically, my last pick.
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There were two fills in it, and I felt a little guilty that
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there was Phil Collins. Phil Connors, Honors and
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Punxsutawney Phil. And I thought, you know what?
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I'm gonna throw my cohost. What a guy.
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And good buddy, a little bread crumbs.
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I appreciate it, Dave. This one's for you.
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Is it? Well, I didn't know it had known
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that ruined your life. Or, you know, talk to me.
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It's not as close as I guess not.
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There's a lot you don't know, lot to uncover here.
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But that's why and I kind of thought a little bit of
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connective tissue, if you will. Ivan Reitman is a comedic
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director directed Ghostbusters most specifically, Alright,
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available in the archives. That was written by Howard
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Ramos. So it's kind of in that same
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sphere. And it's a nice little, I think
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a little book end to the American President, which came
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in a couple years later, so. I accept that.
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Great, except those. Kinda have to, yeah.
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You're here on much of A choice. You do need to understand,
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though, by bringing out the American President, which I
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believe I went on record saying was your best movie in five
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years. What's funny is that I think you
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said of Groundhog Day, it was the best movie in five.
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Years. That was the best movie of 2026.
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OK, that's how it's going to. OK, any listeners?
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But anyway, yeah, so OK, a couple of bangers you've already
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jumped on board with. Yeah, what I'm saying is shoes.
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These are size twelves. I don't know if Dave is wearing
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size 12 shoes. I think that's what people say
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about the podcast, so I think it works out well.
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I don't know if Dave's real good fit.
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Here 9 and half buddy. 9 1/2 used to be a 10.
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I think you shrink though. I don't know if your feet
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shrink. Maybe I don't.
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Know I don't. Know the whole body does.
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I'll look into it. Dad used to be sick.
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Your hand shrinks. I'm not sure which parts.
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Harrison Ford season 3 coming out shrinking.
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There was one reason to get Apple TV right now.
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It would be that show. I wanna watch it.
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Yeah. It's on Season 3, I believe.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Great cast. I've heard nothing but good
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things about it. Your wheelhouse.
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I don't want to pull the trigger on another streaming service.
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It's a slippery slope. Absolutely.
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You know it's got the one which will not be named.
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No, of course not. Would you?
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Be interested in sharing the IBD of this week, would that be?
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Let's dig out Old Faithful, see what she has to say, yeah?
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It's going to be up and down lately.
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Well, that's a good thing. An uncanny presidential look
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alike named Dave is recruited by the Secret Service to become a
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momentary stand in for the President of the United States.
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That's exactly what the 1st 20 minutes of the movie is.
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I guess the question is, does it hook you enough to say, hey, I'm
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interested in that idea, I think that premise.
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The hook isn't there, but it is accurate.
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Well, yeah, historically, yeah. Sometimes these things, they
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embellish certain things with that and certain things or omit
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certain things that I feel like this summarizes, but it doesn't
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tell you really beyond that's like the conceit of the movie
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presidential look alike in the role of the president.
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So it's a little. Stopped.
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Not enough. For you, I think conceptually
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you might get into it. I just, I don't know if it's
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enough really. I just don't think there's any
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pleasing. You, but if I was pitching that,
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if I went into like a studio and said here's my idea, yeah,
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here's your whatever, I think there might be an uptick like
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someone might be interested in what do you call that log line?
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That's it. I learned that in school.
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I did good in school. Honors, I heard.
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Speaking of honors, this president is not very honorable.
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No, no. Throw that out there in case you
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didn't figure. That out not a good man.
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But before we get to that, we have just edits again credit.
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We get stuck with the credits over Washington Monuments.
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It's pretty and it shocks me as we're watching this.
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There was such a hullabaloo if you recall, in 2001 onward.
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Oh, and the trailer for Spiderman, the original Sam
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Raimi Spiderman. Here we going with.
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This had the two towers couldn't.
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Show it Twin towers 2 towers is a Lord of the rings there he.
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Just Twin Towers, later made in Manhattan, was a movie that had
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it omitted from the poster and the movie itself.
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And there was all these sort of rushing to remove the
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iconography from the skyline in that contemporary setting.
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But when you go back and watch something from the 70s,
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eighties, 90s in New York, it always sort of highlights that
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thing. Did we see it last week during
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mix sightseeing or was it just the Empire State Building?
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That's a good question. I must have been there.
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Watch it again, yeah? I guess I'm going to have to my
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concern when I'm watching these movies at this time, American
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president and this one is that the orange demon he he works has
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demolished the East wing of the White House.
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And so the imagery that is in all of these helicopter shots,
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the stock footage of US capital and monuments and all
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throughout, it's going to be of a bygone era.
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The White House will never look like that.
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Ever look the same until they hopefully redo it, build it,
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tear. Down the fucking ballroom and do
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something better with their lives.
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That's true. You don't like to dance?
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That's right. So that part, it just felt odd
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actually, because I've seen that imagery currently and I'm not in
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favor of whitewashing or or eliminating from art, right,
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Like it exists in the time frames.
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Wonderful. It just was a little jarring to
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me to watch it in this present climate, seeing those shots at
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the White House. Have you seen the movie Remember
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Me? I Forgot the reason I bring it
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up because I don't know if it ever come off.
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It might don't know it's a Pattinson.
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OK, Robert. I watched the whole movie.
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I think it's sort of like a romance, I think, but but a
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series like 500 days, like serious kind of romance.
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Like it's not all like. Puppy dogs and ice cream.
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Yeah, and that's what happens at the end is the 2 towers come
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down and had no idea. Like they put that at the end of
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the movie. I did not expect that to play
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into the film. OK.
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It really threw me off like, oh. It's happening.
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It's this movie set in New York at that time frame.
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It just didn't register and then all of a sudden it happens.
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Wow, interesting, never heard. Of it, maybe you'll come off.
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No, I remember liking it. We don't do enough.
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Pattinson the Batman. Yeah, that's it.
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Tenant. We did tenant as well.
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We don't have enough ladies listening.
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We might have to do Twilight. We might.
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I don't know if we need to draw them in I.
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Don't know if I'm ready for that are.
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You a team, Ed. I don't know who that is.
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I don't know who cares? What I care about is Laura
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Linney. Laura.
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Linney. Young in this.
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She's very young. We saw her in Love Actually.
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2003, four era, so that's 10 years earlier.
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She's very young. And not very discreet.
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No, no. Kind of my first note that
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bothered me. It's her character, it seems,
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because in Love, Actually, everybody knew that she was in
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love with Carl too. I know she plays it well.
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She just is exuding a certain level of thirstiness.
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Yeah, I just think in this atmosphere you want to be a
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little bit more. You know, yeah, unless you're
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Bill Clinton. This is post Clinton, though, So
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I mean, there is a precedent, if you will.
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I guess. I don't know how.
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That went down. I know she went down.
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Yeah, she could look her. I want Bill side.
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Alright, man, Yeah. If I had to choose, sure.
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Don't have to luckily choose sides in this.
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But what are your thoughts are in the first?
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You know, we're past the credits.
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We got your shots of the capital, and we're inside the
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Roundhouse. Yeah.
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We've established in these very early scenes that the president
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and the first lady don't really like each other.
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They're faking it. That's true.
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And Laura Linney, as you described, is kind of the reason
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why she's not faking it. Well, maybe you don't know about
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that. So we established pretty quickly
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the 1st 8 minutes in the movie. I think it flows great.
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She's obviously not a factor. She's the character matters in
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the context of the story. But Laura Linney in this movie
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is not Laura Linney. So she's just some just starting
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out. Yeah, just some blonde on the
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desk on the floor and. It's got her feet wet in
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Hollywood. Totally.
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But I think she's great. I always really liked her and
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she's very pretty in this and she's just in general very cute.
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And I like that Sigourney Weaver is removed a little bit from the
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alien vibe, which as you know, I've seen most recently Alien
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and Aliens. Yeah, she's the theatricality in
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that, no doubt. Totally.
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And then she's obviously in Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters
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too, so she and Reitman have a relationship.
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That's right, yeah. But it's nice to see her play
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more humor because she's kind of the straight person in
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Ghostbusters shaking your head questioning like Venkman is
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sort. Of yeah, she had some issues in
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Ghostbusters. Yes, I mean.
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She was asked to throw. Some stuff, whether some stuff.
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So those are all really nice introductions to the characters
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that were setting up the rest of the movie with.
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And they established again, very early on that the president
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needs to look alike for this upcoming event.
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Yeah. And we get to meet Dave.
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Dave and Stephen Root. I can never have enough Stephen
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Root. Absolutely.
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I love that guys, particularly in Surviving Christmas.
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I know you were such a fan of his in that.
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I imagine I was remember. But he's great in everything,
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Barry. Yeah sure, Season 7 of The West
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Wing, he's all over that too. So here you go.
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Obviously has nothing to do here, but it's funny to watch
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cause this is right before News Radio.
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I think that. Opened in 94 or something yeah,
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around there. Great show.
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It's just. Really cool to watch this movie
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not knowing anything about anybody in it at the time and
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seeing how so much of this cast just went on to not only like
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something but pretty big. Thing pretty big careers.
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It's kind of exciting. One of the things I love about
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going to this era is is that it's a little bit more than we
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had Nancy recently. She was great in 93 Nancy.
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Three or four people went on to have absolutely strong careers.
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A lot of Fraser in. Here Anna Devere Smith is in
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this also in the American president that she pops up all
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over West Wing. Again, Laura Linney Ving Rames
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Bulldog. Bulldog is in this.
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That's right. That's.
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Right, I missed it the first time.
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But I'm sure Frank Langella, who's just great in everything,
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Kevin Dunn, just a nice piece. Again, you just.
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Which I thought was Stephen Root.
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I get them a little bit confused sometimes.
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You are confused. Generally speaking, a bit of a
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look alike if you will, and my other look alike to Kevin Kline.
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Let me ask you this if you see it at.
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All OK. Brent Spiner.
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Not even a little. Bit oht.
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Come on, give me just a little when he smirks.
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There's a little Brent there. Questionable.
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Alright, I I can't. Give it.
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OK, that's fine. I know it's a stretch, but I had
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to ask again. It's in the script.
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I got this kid working on this. He did Trekkie.
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OK, Alright, I hired him actually.
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Makes sense. Makes sense?
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Another face that comes up right around now.
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Did you notice the Secret Service when they go to Dave's
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department? We've got Ving Rames.
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Yeah. Do you know who the other guy?
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Is no idea. No, I watched the second time I
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looked at him. I don't know who.
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You are. He is the man that had his nose
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bit off by the Penguin on Batman Returns.
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Really. Yeah, he survived.
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He's good. Did you have to look that?
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Up. No, I knew him as that.
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I couldn't tell you his name because I didn't look.
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At it. And that was 90. 2 That's what
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I'm saying. So he's.
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Always. Not right now.
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Yeah, he's boiling anyway, so that's I remember.
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Good for you. Yeah, you're very good at that.
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So. I was pleased that I finally
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managed. To I applaud it to do it.
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But yeah, so this is it. They're trying to convince him
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to one off. Easy peasy.
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Yeah. Do you believe that that that's
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a thing in real life? Doubt it because to find someone
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that looks that much like the Dorito demon and I see I'm
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upping it to that. Respect.
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I don't think it is. The fact that they're asking you
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to buy into it tells me this is probably not a thing.
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This Dave character, he works at a temp agency.
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Yeah, it's like an employment. Yeah, and he has a good friend,
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Murray. That's right.
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When you get into a problem, you call.
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Murray yeah, he really abuses that friendship.
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Seems like which I really get a kick out of.
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I think that's funny. Charles Grodin.
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What are your thoughts on him? I only knew him by name.
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OK. His name was mentioned in the
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Kathy Griffin episode of Seinfeld about being on The
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Tonight Show. Yeah, he had a Charles Grodin
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bit. OK, like a hot sauce that had a
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picture that looked like Charles, apparently.
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OK, but I had no idea who this guy was.
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He was the dad in Beethoven. That's right, six or seven-year
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old. I remember that.
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Yeah, he directed a couple of Simon and Garfunkel specials in
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the 60s. Obviously didn't see those at
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the time, but for me he was always the guy in Midnight Run
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with Robert De Niro's one of my favorite movies when I was
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younger. I thought he was so dry, so
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funny playing off of De Niro when I saw him in this, and I
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was like, I love this guy, wonderful.
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But he kind of disappeared. I never really saw him much, but
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yeah, those key moments. I get the sense he did a lot of
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stuff in the 60s and 70s and been around a long time.
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Quite it down then. I really loved his vibe and he's
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the same in this, where he's got that, you know, uneasy,
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uncomfortable. I think it's really cute and I
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like that relationship and it plays out obviously through the
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rest of the. Movie.
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I wouldn't call it cute, but I'm with you.
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OK, that's fine. Sometimes you misuse cute.
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Maybe too cute by half someone. Said, but as cute as Dave's
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grin. That smoky grin.
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What would you do if you came face to face with a doppelganger
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that really look like you? I've been told that other times.
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So I was like, oh, I saw someone looks exactly like you wanna
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bust or I saw someone, but I have never been confronted with
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my own. However, I have known at times
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same situation except for other people.
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I know all right, but I've never seen myself.
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Have you ever had that where you're?
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Seeing traces of yourself and around well, let's first of all,
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and I hope not that's let's preface this by saying I'm an
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idiot. OK?
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I don't think it needs to go with saying no, but.
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It's a tacit understanding. But does that work once?
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And I saw this person and look like an older version of me who
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had maybe made more mistakes than I already had.
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And I thought for a second, maybe I had time traveled.
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Looped time, Yeah. You think you were.
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Looked and it's still comes in my mind every once a while.
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This is like 2020 and it's stupid but sure.
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But not really. Not that far before you would
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have changed your life around. Yeah, right.
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Maybe in a? Weird way it may have triggered
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something in the back of your. Possible, but being a redhead
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though. Everybody is just you.
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I've been called Prince Harry. Yeah.
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I don't see it. No, Meghan Markle doesn't see
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it. She blocked me.
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I did not appreciate the But no, it would be kind of cool,
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though. I, I see our friend Pat.
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Yes, I see versions of him all over the world at the airport.
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So I don't know what it is about him.
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He's lanky, he's tall, but he's got to look to him.
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He's definitely has a look. Maybe I just miss him.
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I just want to. See, could be that, could be
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that. Yeah, I'm more of a smells.
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Yeah, yeah, like I will get a whiff of something and I'll just
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be like, I know that person like that is a perfume or a scent or
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a just something in the air. It can pull me right back to
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wherever that thing was. That's interesting.
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When I had the smell thing is like, oh I did eat that.
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That, that makes sense. OHS popcorn again?
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Yeah, what I do remember about this scene in particular with
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the face to face is watching Entertainment Tonight in 93.
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I watched that show a lot and Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.
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Tash has always been a movie kid.
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So that was that was the show. And I remember there was a big
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section or segment of the show dedicated to the special effect
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of having 2 Kevin Klines face to face.
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Yeah, pre or around the same time 93 of Jurassic Parks or
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computer generated effects were kind of a thing.
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And they've been doing twins and things like that in movies
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forever. Movie called that's right.
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But this was an example of camera tricks and and CG and
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this and that to make it so that they're looking at one another
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and how that was like revolutionary that they wanted a
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whole segment on this game. It's all right.
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And now it's I mean, I watch Sinners and it's Michael B
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Jordan playing 2 completely separate characters interacting
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with each other, sharing cigarettes with one another.
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It's like, yeah, like it doesn't even register.
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Whereas this you see a little bit of the creases, but I think
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it still looks good. Doesn't Take Me Out, but I just
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remember that was like the big thing for this movie.
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It's like, Oh my gosh, check out this scene.
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I didn't see I'm watching the VHS version.
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By the way, you're going all the way back.
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I wonder how the payroll works though.
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You're doing 2 roles here, you know.
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Yeah, he's got a shrewd negotiator.
19:55
I suspect I don't. Expect maybe 2 full salaries but
19:57
maybe a little bit of a bonus. That's fair.
20:00
They get him to make a speech. Yeah.
20:05
And that is true as he's leaving.
20:07
This is one of my favorite moments in the movie.
20:09
Interesting. It's really early on, like less
20:11
than 20 minutes ish. Hmm.
20:12
As he's being escorted from the building.
20:15
The real president. the OR the fake one?
20:17
The fake one. Dave.
20:18
Dave. Gotcha.
20:20
And he's caught up in the moment.
20:23
Yes, yes. And he turns around and God
20:26
bless you, God Bless America and the cameras pushing in on him.
20:30
And there's just like patriotism, it's a double edged
20:33
sword at times, But these elements in this movie where
20:36
your idealism of that nationalism, Yeah.
20:39
And pride is there. So when he's overcome with the
20:43
emotion, it feels like the best of America, right?
20:47
Like, I believe in this. And to me, I would equate it to
20:51
similarly. There are times when, depending
20:53
on the moment, I could be at a hockey game or at some other
20:55
venue and the Canadian anthem plays.
20:57
You're proud guy. And I could be moved to tears by
21:00
that song, in that moment, sharing that moment with 20,000
21:03
people, whatever that. Is keep doing.
21:05
It exactly. And so when I watch him do that,
21:07
it feels completely natural to be caught up.
21:10
And I just want to say that like is my one chance kind of thing.
21:13
Even leading up to that, when he just does the initial wave, yes,
21:17
And then he does like a thumbs up.
21:18
Yeah, he has a smile. Like it's just gradually
21:21
building up to that. And everybody on the sides are
21:23
all like giving the thumbs and the high fives, the clapping and
21:26
the tough to not. Get caught up for sure.
21:28
I was going to ask you this question so I will.
21:31
Did you want or do you feel it needed any training montage up
21:37
to this point? Because this movie is going at a
21:39
pretty good pace. Learning how to do more of what
21:42
the president does more than mannerisms.
21:44
Other than we just need you to wave.
21:46
That's it. Like teaching you how to make
21:48
sure you don't do this, Make sure you don't smirk like that.
21:50
Do you think the movie would have?
21:52
Benefited from that? No, I mean I love a montage and
21:55
luckily we get one later. That's why I'm asking.
21:57
But I don't need two or three of them, OK, because he's just
22:01
doing what he's been doing. When he saw him do the speech at
22:02
the car dealership, he's got the mannerisms down.
22:05
OK, That's enough. So I feel like we've established
22:07
that he's already developed those tools to be the look like
22:11
anyway, because it's not even like they're pulling them off
22:13
the street as a look alike. Hey, you look like the
22:16
president. We need you.
22:18
Yeah, this is a guy that impersonates the president.
22:20
That's a good point. Side job.
22:22
So he's already done some of that research, so I don't.
22:24
Foundation is already there. Yeah, because I felt this movie
22:27
almost rushed too fast. But at the same time, I kind of
22:31
liked it. I want to get into this because
22:33
I can see the potential of this movie, of what it would be like
22:36
for someone because I know something's going to happen.
22:37
He's going to have to step up and go beyond just a wave.
22:40
That's right. So, well, we're 18 minutes into
22:42
the movie and the president basically dies.
22:45
Well, kind of like Mad Max's wife still got vital signs.
22:48
That's right. He's still fine, but he's gonna
22:49
be a vegetable, I think is what Alan says.
22:52
That's right. And so that sets the tone for
22:54
the movie. Dave has to take over the
22:57
presidency and to set that all up in 20 minutes in very, very
23:02
succinct fashion. Pretty session.
23:04
Yeah. I'm really impressed by that.
23:07
Now Bob and Alan have to sell it to him.
23:09
There you go. Take a seat.
23:10
There it is. You spin around.
23:11
I don't know. Be comfortable, Right.
23:13
Get cozy. Yeah.
23:14
We get the impression Bob is a little bit different than Allen.
23:19
Allen's a little less of a bad person.
23:21
Yeah, we've established Bob wants.
23:23
To, for lack of a better term. Bob has eyes on the president's
23:27
vice president is mentally incapacitated, he says.
23:30
Yes, I do enjoy the line while trying to convince them that the
23:34
country is sick. Yes, and you have to take them
23:38
to the hospital. Exactly legal and sure he would
23:42
pick up on. Every red light things.
23:43
Like that. Yeah, exactly.
23:45
So I think they do a pretty good job of selling this to him.
23:49
And I think Dave? Is excited at the prospect.
23:52
I would like, how could you turn that down right?
23:54
Absolutely. It's a wonderful opportunity.
23:56
Kevin Klein is an actor. We talked about him in the Ice
23:58
Storm. That's correct.
23:59
And I love him and that I love him and everything.
24:01
He's just one of those actors for me that doesn't work a lot.
24:04
But when he's in there, I just enjoy what he's doing, and him
24:08
playing Dave in the White House in these early stages I think
24:14
are so endearing. Endearing.
24:17
That would be a good. Word.
24:18
You know when he picks up the phone.
24:20
It's just. Nothing.
24:21
Thank you. There's some subtle humor in
24:23
this that I totally. And then also the fear and the
24:25
awe right in The West Wing. I'm in the residency.
24:29
I'm looking around these presidents, Nixon and Kennedy
24:33
and Lincoln. The big ones, yeah.
24:34
Maybe not Nixon, but right, like, but these are the icons of
24:38
the past, the foundations and cornerstones of the country, and
24:41
he's standing in the room. He's just Dave down the road
24:44
doing this thing. So I thought he conveys that
24:46
incredibly well. Having him play two different
24:48
characters, I kind of forget that he's is the same person as
24:52
an actor. Yeah, that's a win, I think, if
24:54
you can do that. I agree.
24:55
He's really, really good. And what's also really good is
24:59
montage. We alluded to it earlier.
25:01
Bob and Alan, they need more from him.
25:04
Yeah, he's gotta learn names. That's right.
25:06
He's got to learn how the government works, the structure
25:09
of it. Exactly.
25:10
That's important. It's even really important now.
25:12
People should know they are three equal branches.
25:15
Should know I. Don't think they do.
25:18
I think this is a really good scene because we don't want to
25:21
spend a lot of time like that's why Montage is perfect for this
25:25
section. But the fact that he did study
25:27
him, and you have Bob and Alan sitting there watching him, and
25:31
they have that look on their face like, OK, I think we might
25:34
be in pretty good hands. We got it.
25:35
You know, some of his mannerisms.
25:37
That scene, I think, is very important.
25:39
It's your buy in the fantasy aspect.
25:40
OK. I'm willing to go there with the
25:44
idea, but unless you can deliver on it, you're gonna be dead in
25:47
the water. I think we talked about that in
25:49
different movies, right? Where the nitpicking elevates
25:51
when you're not bought in. Exactly.
25:53
That's when you know the writing is pretty tight and there's all
25:56
of everything. Is gelling together.
25:58
That's right. So I got my montage.
26:11
You get 1. Too, I guess.
26:13
Thank. You suppose?
26:15
Tell me about this one. I don't mind them either.
26:18
This one I think necessary so we don't slow down the movie too
26:22
much. We have him kissing babies.
26:25
The Chinese delicacy by delegation.
26:28
Delegation has all the bigger things going.
26:31
Stately things. Exactly.
26:32
Credential thing seems to be handling it relatively well.
26:35
We have them in the arm machine. That's right.
26:37
Also a bit of a callback to Aliens where Ripley is Sigourney
26:41
Weaver is in a machine like that and ends up like.
26:43
A floater mean it. Spoil it for pretty iconic
26:47
imagery from that movie. So it always made me chuckle
26:49
that she's off to the side as he's doing this thing.
26:52
And then we have Jay Leno, who's infamous for showing up very 93.
26:57
He seems to be the guy. Yeah, yeah, options.
26:59
But he seems to do the job in these movies.
27:02
And you have Arnold Schwarzenegger.
27:04
Yeah, showing up as himself. Bacon 93.
27:08
Yeah, it was probably on the presidential health kick, right?
27:11
That was the whole thing. There we go, Doughnuts, he says.
27:14
The first. Bitch.
27:15
How cool is that? I don't know if it's a sinker or
27:18
pitch, it was, but. I am struck by how, again, I
27:23
don't like baseball. I know, but like baseball shows
27:26
like that where you're standing in the middle of 20,030 thousand
27:31
people. I think about soccer matches, I
27:34
think about football games, anything where you're a dwarf by
27:38
comparison to the scope and size of and they're all there
27:42
ostensibly for you. The energy and he throws it and
27:45
then throws his glove up and whatever.
27:47
His excitement is just infectious, I think, in these
27:49
moments. The only thing that got me a
27:50
little bit more excited was seeing the McLaughlin Group is
27:55
in my household. PS I believe yeah, absolutely.
27:57
His voice. Yeah, dude, what a commanding
27:59
voice. I.
28:00
Only can think of Dana Carvey when I think.
28:03
Of that, did you impression of McLaughlin?
28:05
He would ask a question and then he would just say wrong.
28:08
Pat Buchanan. I have to check.
28:10
That out it's really hilarious. He did it all the time, but it
28:13
would just be random ideas thrown out and then like this is
28:17
exactly like this wrong path Buchanan and he was like always
28:20
a. Guest I need more Dana Carvey in
28:21
my feet. And I think it's just saying it
28:24
loudly. But yeah, great sequence, great
28:28
tempo of the movie. We have a moment with Dwayne.
28:32
I don't know if you caught. It tell me.
28:34
It's been established that he likes to make sandwiches.
28:36
Yes. I think he got carrots on it.
28:38
Yeah. What are we doing here?
28:39
I'm out. This is it.
28:41
And he's trying to build this connection with Duane
28:44
Stephenson. And he asks them, would you take
28:47
a bullet for me? Because that's something you do
28:50
as the Secret Service guy doesn't really answer the
28:52
question. He's not really the.
28:54
President. He's not, Yeah.
28:56
So I like that moment where he's trying to make that connection
28:59
with that character. Keep that tab.
29:01
Open, just make sure we close it is the.
29:03
Key. The end.
29:03
Yeah, for sure I will. It's some point that loop needs
29:06
to be. Closed.
29:06
We say a lot of things, mostly me at the beginning and they'll
29:10
say I'll do something at the end, like we'll rank them or
29:12
something. And I almost reveal something
29:14
and I don't. I just never get her.
29:16
I just don't do it. I just forget.
29:18
What I don't forget is there was a scandal.
29:20
Oh, yeah, First Liberty. It's a bank, yes, and it's just
29:25
important to know that they're going to dump that on to the
29:27
VIP. Hmm, another tab.
29:29
Look at 2:00. So that's happening around.
29:33
This point, you're digging into a bit more of the plot we got.
29:36
Bob, we already know, is not necessarily a good guy.
29:39
He's got ambitions beyond what he's doing, yes, And these are
29:42
the ways in which he's dropping hints that he's got a plan.
29:46
It's a little bit lighter, I think, if you want to compare it
29:48
to American president, like we're not bombing places, we're
29:51
no war happening, smaller venue. If you will.
29:56
And my next quick note here is in the limo, which I've never
30:00
been in one. I'd like to be 2.
30:03
If you can arrange that, be great.
30:05
I think I've earned it. He looks at her leg.
30:08
Sigourney Weaver's leg seems like that slip.
30:10
That's what they call. It he likes that.
30:12
I didn't get anything from that. Is that weird that I, You know,
30:16
I don't think that's weird. I think it's a chaste, quiet
30:20
roll romantic comedy. Yeah.
30:21
I think what you need is something a little.
30:24
Harder. I think it's.
30:24
Cleavage. I think that's what I'm looking
30:26
for. Really Love a good cat.
30:27
Strong calf. Yeah.
30:29
I don't know what it is, but a cat can get me going.
30:31
Good for you. What gets me really going,
30:35
David, of course, is homeless children.
30:38
It's riled up. It's the sweetest moment of the
30:41
movie. It is sweet.
30:42
And being a kid that at times was the kid on the outside and
30:45
knowing people in that world, it's cute that Dave makes the
30:49
effort. This little moment together that
30:53
is caught a little bit by the press, but more so by Sigourney
30:56
Weavers character. Yeah, First lady.
30:58
So she is softening to this new version of him, which obviously
31:03
will expose it later, right. But so that is like you're
31:07
dropping that hint, which I enjoy, and it adds the gravitas
31:11
to what happens next, which is the word gets out, Bob is
31:15
killed, the homeless bill that the first lady had sponsored.
31:18
Yeah, Bob doesn't care about. Bob doesn't give a shit.
31:21
No, he does not. So it adds some weight and
31:24
gravity to the role and it isn't just making speeches and it
31:27
isn't just shaking the hands and being the fun president making
31:30
jokes. This ratchets up the plot and it
31:34
takes to the next level. This again, just really solid
31:36
writing. I promised myself I would make a
31:38
lot of comparisons to American president.
31:40
Yeah, sure. I don't think I.
31:41
Have no, no, you stood tall. Here's.
31:43
One, they killed Annette Bennings, Bill, that's right.
31:47
And they have a conversation. And I don't think this reaches
31:52
that. I think everything in American
31:53
president is designed to be a little more intense.
31:56
Yeah, this is meant to be a little bit lighter with some
31:59
serious moments like this one is good.
32:01
Yeah, I'm not comparing it, but no, that's fair, but enough to
32:04
bring it up. I think this is more pitched as
32:06
comedy, and I think American President is a dramedy, if you
32:10
will. There's a little bit more depth.
32:12
I think you're definitely correct in that.
32:13
That's right. But Bob gives him a way out,
32:15
much like Andrew Sheppard did in The American President.
32:19
He says get those votes and we'll get you over the hump,
32:22
right? 650.
32:23
Million you can keep your stupid, you know, homeless
32:25
shelter and storms. Off you didn't mean it though.
32:27
Apparently. But no one told Dave that no,
32:30
and luckily for him, Murray. Yeah, brings him in, Yes.
32:33
So brings in the ringer. I think in if this is real, I
32:37
think they kill Murray, you know, that he goes away.
32:41
They find. Out never be found.
32:42
Again. Yeah, he found out that he went
32:44
to the the was gonna say warehouse.
32:46
He ended up in a warehouse. Yeah, exactly a few pieces.
32:49
This is my favorite scene in the movie when he's trying to
32:52
convince, take it easy. When he's trying to convince
32:55
Grodin to come over and he says something about that's not the
32:59
government or whatever else. And Dave is like, I am the
33:01
government, don't worry, Like, you're OK.
33:03
And when they're working through the budget, crunching the
33:06
numbers, it's obviously fantasy, right?
33:09
Like, whatever. But when you're having all the
33:11
secretaries around the table and he's just sort of, we're making
33:15
ads for cars that people already bought, like, we don't need
33:17
that. And we don't need that.
33:18
And we don't. It's not Dodge that obnoxious
33:21
nonsense, and it's not the current situation, even in
33:25
Canada, where it's sort of like federal workers, get rid of
33:28
them, they're useless, yadda yadda.
33:29
You're not by the. Way it is making fun of and
33:32
enjoying the fact that bureaucracy sucks and like, all
33:35
the layers and whatever, you could just get it.
33:37
Yeah. Just the bottom line, which
33:40
doesn't exist and shouldn't exist.
33:42
But it's a nice fantasy to have. And watching this guy and Murray
33:46
put together the plan, it's nice.
33:48
And the music plays. James Newton Howard score,
33:50
nothing exceptional, but just meets that moment.
33:53
And there's a real relief when he signs the $650 million
33:58
dollars. Yeah.
33:59
Howard, which is a guy I like. Yes, it's great.
34:02
Blood Diamond. Amazing.
34:04
He's in my Spotify. Sure.
34:06
What? I didn't get Howard in this
34:08
movie though. This is the only moment that the
34:10
score I thought stood out. Yeah, OK.
34:12
Like got me caught up in the moment.
34:14
And that's because I really like the moment in general.
34:16
So it's all part of the same package.
34:18
If you will. You know I will.
34:22
And then obviously Bob is just like, furious.
34:24
He didn't want this. He didn't ask for this.
34:26
He was obviously joking, didn't mean it, blah, blah, blah, blah
34:28
blah. He's a bit of a jerk, yes, bit
34:30
of a jerk. So too was Bill Mitchell, it
34:32
turns out, but luckily for Sigourney Weaver's character,
34:37
she finds out Dave is not Bill. Yes, I can touch on this.
34:42
Talk to me. There's a scene just before in
34:45
the shower yes face off is a movie that can never come off
34:50
the shelf. OK, not a lot.
34:52
I'm telling you right now we're spared that yes, you are not
34:56
John who's masterpiece cannot come off the shelf.
34:59
I assume you don't own it. I do not don't worry, it's not
35:02
coming from me. Fantastic hate that movie.
35:04
OK in this movie reminded me a little bit of it because there
35:07
is that buy in and why this shower scene triggered that
35:11
movie for me is she obviously can see his.
35:15
Wang. It's a nice way of putting it.
35:18
Well, from Moo to Wang and in face off, just their heads are
35:23
the same. It's a face off.
35:24
That's it. That's it.
35:25
Yeah. And when you're naked, like
35:28
everything is different. They had sex.
35:29
Like I have seen the movie. OK.
35:31
I've never seen it. Yeah.
35:32
There's no way you would know. Exactly.
35:34
There's a million ways you would know that's not him.
35:36
And I just think I cannot buy him to that movie, that concept,
35:39
and I hate it for that. OK.
35:41
Maybe I'm being too. Harsh if it means we're not
35:43
taking it off the shelf. Dave, you be as harsh as you
35:45
want, buddy. I'll stand by you.
35:48
Thank you. Solidarity.
35:50
But she had realized before the shower scene because of the leg.
35:54
Because the leg doesn't look at my legs.
35:56
It's been a long time. He used to be a leg guy and.
35:59
Now Lenny Guy. Your legs to Lenny's very good,
36:05
but tell me about the actual scene where she does reveal that
36:09
she knows. I think this is her scene in the
36:11
movie. Like I think this is where an
36:13
actor as good as her gets to really shine.
36:16
She's really wants to see the president as he is, so they
36:21
bring him into her, into the warehouse.
36:23
Thanks to Duane Stephenson. That's right.
36:25
And I thought her performance here, seeing Bill, even though
36:28
we know they don't like each other, you know, people talk
36:30
about relationships that end, whether it's marriages or
36:33
boyfriends, difference, whatever else, you know, and and there
36:35
will always be something I think, yeah, the caring on some
36:40
level, you know? Could be the kids keep you.
36:42
Could be anything, but I'm not saying in a pining and a needing
36:46
or yearning way, but just I think if I met my 17 year old
36:50
self's girlfriend today I would feel something about that.
36:55
I wouldn't be in love, I wouldn't like be dropping
36:58
everything in my life to do something, but it would be a
37:00
connection that you just don't lose.
37:03
Yeah, overnight. Even if you hate each other at
37:04
the end of the thing, it doesn't delete all the other stuff that
37:08
came before. It triggers an emotion and
37:10
something. Hopefully it's not anger.
37:11
Sure, or maybe it is. But so for watching her and the
37:14
sensitivity that she approaches, this moment I thought was really
37:18
poignant because she's such a good actor.
37:21
Otherwise it's just like plot device to keep it moving.
37:24
This solidifies Galaxy Quest coming out in 2026.
37:27
We're gonna watch. It wow, I've never seen that
37:29
movie. Tim Allen, buddy.
37:31
Oh yeah, Rickman has a bigger role in that.
37:33
OK, it's a fun one. I think she's a great actor and
37:36
it's nice anytime that she comes off the shelf, which isn't
37:39
often, but having in watched Alien and Aliens in the span of
37:42
a couple weeks. She's great.
37:43
You probably watched them in theatres.
37:45
I did of course. Not this unfortunately, but the
37:47
Aliens movies for sure. And this is interesting because
37:50
they decide that they're both going to leave.
37:54
That's right, she if he's gone, then she has no purpose there.
37:56
She's not the first. Lady, that's what she says.
37:58
Yeah, she's not wrong. That's right.
38:00
I think it's a little hasty here.
38:01
You don't want to just dissolve the government in the.
38:04
Middle. Exactly.
38:05
So I was a little concerned about the movie at this point
38:07
with the structure, like, oh. Yeah, how do you get out of?
38:09
This exactly, and he's trying to steal towels which is just
38:12
funny. Of course you'll take the
38:14
towels. I've never taken a towel.
38:15
I've never taken anything from a hotel.
38:18
I have not either, but I'll tell you one thing.
38:19
My favorite towels in the world are at hotels.
38:22
I like them scratchy, starchy like thin towel.
38:27
I don't like a cushy thick towel.
38:29
It drives me bonkers. I want really like coarse.
38:32
These hotel towels are my favorite that was in the world
38:35
and I wish I could keep. Them.
38:36
Well, you haven't been to Turkey then.
38:38
They don't have the towels you're looking for.
38:39
No, they're too lush. Hate a lush towel.
38:42
I just don't think they're very good.
38:43
Yeah. Like washed.
38:47
And this leads us to a scene that I'm not a big fan of.
38:50
Oh, tell me more. They get pulled over by a police
38:52
officer. Too early for flapjacks.
38:56
Wish that had happened. I did see the infraction,
38:59
though. OK Yeah, of course.
39:00
I saw that clear as day. Yeah.
39:02
So he's not without president, huh?
39:04
You get it, President. But I don't think the scene is
39:06
necessary at all. And they get out of the car and
39:09
they sing. I know you want to bomb them a
39:11
little bit together, but I think the next sequence where they're
39:14
having a sandwich at night on the little hill there, I think
39:19
that's enough. If it's just that though, it's
39:22
like a 3 minute scene. This allows it to kind of
39:24
breathe a little bit for me. What it is now opportunity for?
39:28
Singing. Well, that he's got a great
39:30
voice, beautiful Pirates of Penzance, but for me it's an
39:34
opportunity for him to do his Mitchell's schtick that he talks
39:40
about. He's got this bit about Club Med
39:42
with the president and whatever he doesn't get chance to do it.
39:44
I really like it and I like it. The sort of button at the end,
39:46
which was like you're good. She needs work.
39:49
And of course she's the. One part I didn't mind.
39:51
That's pretty funny. But I like the scene overall.
39:54
And Annie, you know, one of my all time favorite musicals.
39:55
So there you go. I mean, I'm hooked.
39:58
That's where we go our. Separate ways off the shelf,
40:02
Buddy. Coming soon.
40:04
John Houston Masterpiece. But I think we both can agree
40:07
that Bob needs to. Go.
40:09
Yeah, Bob needs to go. Absolutely not.
40:12
Before we meet little Bonnie Hunt.
40:14
Bonnie Hunt, Bonnie Hunt. And we're walking and we're
40:17
walking and we're. Oh, yeah.
40:19
And that's who she sees. Bob.
40:20
Yeah. You know, there's a chief of
40:22
staff. We're just like barreling
40:24
through. The tour I've seen you walk like
40:26
that. You're a man on a mission that
40:28
is angry. No, but always with purpose.
40:31
Always with purpose. Good for you.
40:32
It's so good. But yeah, Bobby fired here by
40:36
Dave. And what do you do?
40:38
Bob obviously has no recourse here technically.
40:40
Not yet. He's going to.
40:42
But he talks about how he made Dave and he's a nobody.
40:46
And the way that Klein delivers, I'm not nobody.
40:50
It's such a again, it's just the quality of acting because that's
40:54
a line that yeah, you've been Damascus rated, you want to
40:56
stand up. But his delivery of that it's.
40:59
Perfect. It's lost himself in the role.
41:01
And the way in which he then says, yeah, like, I've got an
41:04
alibi, like Bob, you're done. Yeah, What's Bob going to do?
41:07
That's it, Expose himself. He's just got to get escorted
41:09
off the premises because Dave's got a press conference to get
41:12
to. Yeah, for now, we'll get back
41:13
to. That another pin if you will.
41:25
The Jobs for America's speech. Yes.
41:28
It's not great. OK, I didn't love it.
41:30
Wow, tell me more. It's not a bad speech, I just
41:33
don't think he's coming strong enough in the first little bit.
41:37
It's only the first couple minutes of the speech.
41:39
It picks up and it gets better as we get to the end.
41:42
It just didn't knock my socks off.
41:44
I guess There's nothing really wrong with it.
41:45
Sure the scene didn't like wow. It didn't leave me like.
41:48
Breathless. Do you think part of it has to
41:51
do with you being unemployed and enjoying it?
41:58
I did write down what I get, a new job.
42:00
I feel dread. I don't feel like flying, so
42:03
maybe that is. It might be part of it.
42:05
It's I heard this speech and having gone through some trials
42:09
and tribulation over the years in the last since COVID, you
42:13
felt it. There is that feeling of, and
42:16
this is I think ubiquitous in the people that think that
42:19
everybody in the world or everybody in the country wants
42:21
to milk the welfare system and like Coast and EI and just, you
42:26
know, milk. At my first job when I was 15, I
42:29
was ecstatic to have a job, and then at 19, when I started at
42:34
the video store, I was ecstatic to get that job.
42:36
I get movies in my life every day of the week.
42:39
And then perfect for you, I got a job at an airline, an airline
42:42
I. Loved you and you loved to fly
42:44
like. Right.
42:45
Like, right. So I was like, I'm so happy.
42:47
I feel part of something bigger than me.
42:49
And then working for the feds, it's that same.
42:52
I'm helping. So I personally have felt that
42:55
four separate times in my life. Gotcha.
42:57
Yeah, that I am over the moon to be doing the job I'm doing for
43:03
the people I'm doing it for. And that speech nails it.
43:05
See, I was a shoe salesman, much like a couple characters later.
43:10
Bundy. And I was in telecom and they're
43:14
the devil. Yeah, So sure, maybe that's why
43:17
I don't. That's fair.
43:18
Connect as well. I mean, I've had some good jobs,
43:20
don't get me wrong, but. Anyway, So yeah, I think
43:22
obviously depends on the job, but I've felt proud to say I
43:26
work here and work here and work here, right.
43:28
I mean, I think as a person, mentally, instinctively, you
43:33
know, it's better to be working. Sure.
43:35
You feel purpose. You feel exactly.
43:36
You get up in the morning. Exactly.
43:38
You have to have that. So that's built into us as
43:40
people. So with the grand picture, I
43:42
think he's right in saying that if the speech doesn't deliver,
43:45
that's one thing. But I think the core of the
43:47
message, I think is still absolutely resonates.
43:49
Now, certain senators may not agree because now we got a quick
43:53
little montage. Yeah.
43:55
Little, little one. These are real people.
43:57
Yeah. OK.
43:58
But really, it was all over stone.
43:59
That stood out to me. Oh yeah, this is just after JFK.
44:03
Ohhhhh yeah. So he's peddling his conspiracy
44:05
thing. Everyone that was heard of his
44:06
schtick at the time was OHT Yeah, no stone, another
44:10
conspiracy at it. So having him here is kind of
44:12
cheeky and fun. Yeah, Larry King.
44:14
Of course he has to make his appearance.
44:16
Of course he's around. Mcglaughlin Group once again
44:19
pops up. Always gets me excited, but
44:22
there's something else that gets me very excited.
44:24
Tell me in this moment. I can.
44:26
Tell I have no idea who the vice president is.
44:28
They've alluded to him the whole movie.
44:30
Yeah. No recollection.
44:31
Yeah, no idea. It's revealed that it's Sir Ben
44:35
Kingsley. Yes, Cosmo himself.
44:38
I did not even see his name in the opening credits the first
44:40
time. It is there.
44:42
OK. So I'm glad I missed it the
44:44
first time. It's a real treat.
44:45
It was. I got lucky there because this
44:48
is just a guy that you want, like a Richard Dreyfus showing
44:51
up. Good presence.
44:53
Always delivers, yeah, especially in political forum.
44:56
Like that's a good place for him.
44:57
Political theatre sneakers where?
45:00
Because his name is at the front credit.
45:03
You'd be best if they didn't. A little bit, you know, it would
45:05
be smart to to keep him off the books, if you will, exactly so
45:09
that when he does arrive, because sneakers are the same.
45:11
It's like I've been watching a movie for an hour.
45:14
Gotta be who could it be but him, right?
45:16
And feels like a little bit here where it's like, OK, we're now
45:19
we're in. Where's the well?
45:20
Yeah, you get so excited seeing him on the screen.
45:23
You can maybe ignore that as accent work isn't great
45:25
according to you. That's right.
45:26
Well, certainly not in that. This is fine.
45:29
Absolutely. He's great.
45:31
Yeah. We kind of established that he's
45:32
a good guy. He's been maligned through Bob
45:35
and trying to paint a picture of him and here he's being
45:39
friendly. I can't believe you put this on
45:41
me. He sets himself up as a decent
45:42
human being. All he has left is his
45:44
integrity. That's right.
45:45
And similar to the homeless Bill, yes.
45:48
Dave's going to take care of it. Yeah, he's got an idea.
45:52
He's got something brewing. He's got a couple of tabs open
45:56
himself. Yes, exactly.
45:59
This is the point where Jay Leno makes a couple cracks.
46:01
Yes, he's incorrigible. Yeah, luckily Kingsley likes the
46:05
program. Yes.
46:07
That gets dropped here as well. The jobs program.
46:09
That's important for Dave to know.
46:10
I think that's right. Yeah.
46:11
It establishes that it's going to be in good hands, right, Once
46:15
the plan goes into effect. I think this is where they find
46:18
out he was a shoe salesman. Yes, they have a nice teta tet.
46:21
I think to use your words, that's right, because he needs
46:23
to find out that he's a good guy.
46:25
And I think he asks Sigourney Weaver character.
46:28
Yeah, just to confirm. Yeah, you're just because he's
46:31
been polluted like he doesn't know and they've gotten in his
46:33
head obviously. So that establishes that.
46:35
And by getting an actor of the caliber of Kingsley does some of
46:39
that work already. I mean, Kingsley can play some
46:43
mean bastards if you ever seen Sexy Beast, but he's really like
46:46
a monster in that movie, OK, But generally he's just good enough
46:50
to pull off whatever it is that you want from him.
46:51
And in this it's just be a decent guy and I think he does
46:54
that well. And we got Dave, who's master
46:57
plan effectively is to explain everything.
47:00
And I think the way that they turn that screw is pretty darn
47:04
good. Bob's already made his
47:06
accusations or whatever. He's got Ben Stein on his side,
47:09
though. That's right.
47:10
That's the guy who won your corner.
47:11
Just saying. Ben Stein loved Richard Nixon,
47:13
so maybe not so. OK, great game show.
47:16
Yeah, he and Jimmy. Jimmy.
47:17
Yeah, I would have thought so. That is a scene where I think
47:20
it's very clever the way that they get out of this.
47:22
You gets to say all the things he needs to say about how he's
47:24
complicit and how yadda yadda yadda implicates himself and the
47:28
others. And then collapses.
47:30
That works out perfect for this movie, I think.
47:33
I believe I had two thoughts of which way they're gonna go, and
47:36
this was definitely one of them. And I think it's played really
47:38
well. Yeah, I wondered about.
47:40
He's great at faking strokes too.
47:42
Yeah, for sure. And Alan has got all the stuff
47:44
to expose Bob. That's right.
47:46
So that really tied it together for me.
47:48
Like they have all that proof all the boxes are getting
47:50
checked here to that this is how it would play out.
47:53
For sure. And then Dave gets escorted
47:55
away. Now my question around that
47:58
because he basically gets taken back to his office.
48:00
We Fast forward a little bit of time.
48:01
It's. I literally fast forwarded it
48:03
like I know it's gonna happen, I figured it out.
48:05
I get. It we established Dave is
48:07
running for local office, Murray's working with him.
48:11
He's now got a staff of all his other people.
48:13
Sigourney Weaver is coming in and but my thought is this guy
48:18
looks exactly like the dead president and I don't care
48:22
because I really like the way this movie ends and we'll get
48:25
into do you more specifically. OK.
48:27
But toothpaste is not going back in the bottle.
48:30
That's going to be tricky. And then especially when.
48:32
They heard that one before. First Lady is a part of the
48:35
equation. It starts to get a little bit
48:37
giffy. It does.
48:38
Yeah, I thought you might. Have a problem with this so I'm
48:40
trying to tee it up. Let me chime in please.
48:43
I definitely felt that it should have ended him with him walking.
48:46
Off along with the briefcase. And maybe having the VP move
48:51
forward with the homeless bill. Sure.
48:52
And that's it for me, OK, this romance between him and
48:56
Sigourney. And friendship with Bing.
48:58
Hey buddy, we'll get there. Put a pin.
49:00
Now I know my wife would love to find a better version of me.
49:04
She's actually said that word for word.
49:09
But to your point, looking identical to the president
49:13
running for office at some level doesn't matter.
49:16
And her coming back did not sit well with me and the kiss.
49:20
Too many questions, do you? Think we don't need it?
49:22
Luckily for me, the movie has already ended, so it doesn't
49:25
really take away from the overall experience what I did
49:29
like, though there's some There's a good take away here.
49:32
I brought up a couple times with Duane Stephenson, him and Dave
49:36
sort of building this relationship.
49:38
Sandwiches and whatnot. Exactly.
49:40
He's just the Secret Service guy.
49:41
Sure. It's revealed earlier in the
49:43
ambulance that he would take a bullet.
49:45
For now, I don't know if that moment is necessarily earned.
49:50
OK, I know they tried to do it. There's one part where he's like
49:53
pointing him out in pictures and there's you in the background.
49:56
I love that. Cute, but I'm.
49:58
Always looking for something in the background.
49:59
That's why that guy, I know him exactly.
50:04
The final shot is him. Yep.
50:05
And I don't mind that part of it.
50:07
But as an ending, overall, I'm like, Nah, let down, yeah.
50:11
Not like I am Andrew Sheppard and I am the president, yeah.
50:14
But it doesn't ruin it for me. Good.
50:16
We don't want to come all that way just for it to be ruined.
50:19
I mean, I don't mind it. I agree with you that it does
50:21
sort of spark a question or two. You do recognize.
50:24
Doesn't really make a lot of, you know, the future of this
50:26
relationship is maybe in question.
50:28
It's ending on that way because this movie is more romantic
50:32
comedy than something like the American President.
50:36
It's a little more dramatically tipped and a little bit more
50:38
realistically based. I know sometimes you don't like
50:42
the fact that they get together. Like the forced romance.
50:44
Sure, absolutely. You've set up several times.
50:46
Absolutely. It's one of my yes, I agree.
50:48
But you're OK with this? One, yeah, it's because I'm not
50:51
thinking about it beyond this moment and it doesn't feel
50:54
rushed. It's more like logistics that I
50:56
feel a problem. She is in love with a good man,
50:58
or at least some of that was once a good man.
51:01
And Dave is a good guy, we've established.
51:03
It's kind of creepy. Though, so it is a little odd.
51:05
Yes, conspiracy theorists would love.
51:08
You know what I mean? Sure, it eat it up.
51:10
David, my friend, what are your final thoughts on the movie?
51:13
Can you summarize it? Can you distill it?
51:15
I think. I think close all the pins.
51:17
Did I bring it home right? Yeah, I think.
51:19
I think I closed all of them. If not, forgive me.
51:22
My finishing thoughts though, is this movie for me didn't carry
51:27
necessarily the emotional punch that American President did.
51:31
To compare that because you kind of have to.
51:33
But there are solid performances.
51:35
The story is interesting enough and it never had me say oh
51:39
please. Sure.
51:41
Which I think is a win for this type of movie.
51:44
I have some other stuff written here that I've already addressed
51:50
about the ending, about Vin Raines, Sure.
51:53
So I checked those boxes. I don't think it's shelf worthy.
51:56
OK, for me, I wasn't really excited to watch it the second
52:00
time. OK.
52:02
Did this movie gain any esteem for you?
52:05
Is it better than your original watch?
52:06
I didn't ask you at the beginning, like how many times
52:08
you've gone back to the well on this movie.
52:10
How are you feeling now, Phil? I haven't watched it a lot.
52:13
I remember really, really like, you know, 93, four whenever it
52:17
came out on video, but I haven't probably seen it in 20 years.
52:20
OK, you're not going to go back to it every.
52:22
Month and what I remember most about it, or maybe what I
52:26
discovered most about it in this rewatch, is it was a lot less
52:30
funny that I remembered. It OK, Yeah, it wasn't
52:33
incredibly. Hilarious, no.
52:34
And I think when in 93 four, I thought it was funny, like I
52:37
really laughed a lot of memory. So it didn't live up to that
52:41
standard, let's say, and I agree with you, that the American
52:43
president took the oxygen in the room.
52:46
I was going to say the wind out of the.
52:47
Sails wind out of the sails a little bit, only in a
52:50
comparative sense. So if you strip that away, what
52:54
this movie is doing is something completely different than what
52:56
the American president is doing. And so it is unfair to this to
53:00
compare. It that's why I try not to.
53:02
When I respect it has to be for the purpose of this show or this
53:05
conversation because we did it so recently, but I think it does
53:10
this movie a disservice and it pales a little bit in
53:12
comparison. I thought the romance piece
53:14
works well enough. OK.
53:16
And I thought that the government slash politics side,
53:20
though not as front bearing as the American president.
53:24
What I'm saying it's hard not. To.
53:26
I think does that very well in as much as it conveys the scope
53:31
and the size of it and the awe of it at a time when, honestly,
53:36
it's been so diminished and demoralized and stripped of any
53:40
dignity over the last few years. So watching this and watching a
53:44
layperson like Dave Kovic, yeah, another nice break, right?
53:47
That's it. Be in awe of the office rather
53:50
than just manipulating the office and this and that.
53:52
That felt hitting a sweet spot in these last few months, so I
53:56
was happy to revisit. I own the movie.
53:58
It's not coming off the shelf necessarily.
53:59
I haven't brought anything to replace it.
54:01
That's right. But it is something that I
54:03
probably will take a while to watch again.
54:05
There are more funny movies that are better romance, and there's
54:07
better political movies. Yeah, just just everything just
54:10
a little bit better. Yeah, it's categories.
54:12
I just think if I'm looking for a particular craving, this one
54:14
might not fill it. Well, that's very honest.
54:17
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54:19
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54:21
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54:44
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54:46
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