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Is the Ohtani rule stunting unicorns? Are the Texas Rangers TOAST? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: In the weeds powered by Arena Club. I mean, the
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  Speaker 1: most popular card in the marketplace is Sho Tani. Right,
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  Speaker 1: why are there not more show? Hey Otani's let's just
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  Speaker 1: start their period because.
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  Speaker 2: It's really impossible, almost impossible to do. Okay, But that's
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  Speaker 2: why there hasn't been any Babe Ruth. One hundred years.
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  Speaker 1: Ago, Donnie Joseph wrote an article in The Athletic about
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  Speaker 1: how Otani was supposed to usher in a two way
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  Speaker 1: player revolution, and included in the article is that rule
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  Speaker 1: change that might be preventing it, which we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: in a second. I just want to preface what I
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  Speaker 1: said when I say Otani, I mean anybody that can
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  Speaker 1: pitch and hit in the big leagues not be a
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  Speaker 1: superstar at both. It's too hard to even get It's
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  Speaker 1: too hard an average player.
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  Speaker 2: It's too hard.
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  Speaker 1: You think that's the only way.
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  Speaker 2: One can't recover enough. And the guys who have tried
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  Speaker 2: to do it, like remember Brooks Kishnik back in the day,
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  Speaker 2: he tried to do it, but he was a reliever,
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  Speaker 2: remember him, like, he.
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  Speaker 1: Tried to fine though. I mean Michael Lorenzen is a
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  Speaker 1: more recent example, but he couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: Either I mean, because you either don't pitch well enough
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  Speaker 2: or you don't hit well enough. There's there's one guy,
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  Speaker 2: that guy right there, Shoo Tani, that can do both.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's the only one I've ever seen that was
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  Speaker 2: able to do both. Either you get hurt and you
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  Speaker 2: can't hit, or you get hurt and you can't pitch
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  Speaker 2: and you're too tired. Plus nobody else is six five,
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  Speaker 2: two forty or whatever that show a and runs like
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  Speaker 2: a deer and is just the super athletes. Like, there's
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  Speaker 2: one this guy when we like when we say he's
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  Speaker 2: a unicorn, This dude is a unicorn. He is one
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  Speaker 2: of one. There's one guy and his name is shoe
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  Speaker 2: Heo Tani. And there have been others of Brenda McKay.
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  Speaker 2: He was drafted as a two way guy. He got
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  Speaker 2: hurt a lot. All these guys have tried it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but one of them isn't good enough. There's one guy
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  Speaker 2: that can do this. There's been two guys in the
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  Speaker 2: history of baseball do this. Bay Ruth who didn't really
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  Speaker 2: pitch and hit at the same time. He pitched and
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  Speaker 2: then he hit kind of and then show Heo TONI.
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  Speaker 2: Other than that that's been hit. Nobody else can do this.
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  Speaker 2: It's a it's all, it's next to impossible to do this.
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  Speaker 1: Guys frequently it's too hard. Obviously in college, but then
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  Speaker 1: even in the pros. I mean there's recent guys. Jack
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  Speaker 1: Kaglion was a star in college.
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  Speaker 2: Jack Kaglean is a I'm a Gator fan. I watch
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  Speaker 2: Jack kagly on play almost every game. He wasn't a pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: He was a hitter.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he threw hard, he could he could throw
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  Speaker 2: kind of hard through well, but he didn't throw a
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  Speaker 2: lot of strikes, right, I mean, he was a good
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  Speaker 2: college pitcher, right, he was. He was an above average
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  Speaker 2: college pitcher. But what is he What can he be
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  Speaker 2: as a big league He could be a fifty homer
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  Speaker 2: guy for a forty to fifty homer guy every year,
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  Speaker 2: That's what they what happens is Team C one. They said,
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  Speaker 2: well if he can, if you they go to these
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  Speaker 2: players and they say, hey, Jack, you could be a
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  Speaker 2: forty to homer guy every year, or you could be
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  Speaker 2: a twenty homer guy and a seven and seven pitcher
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  Speaker 2: every year? Which one would you rather be? And he's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'll take the forty homers in five hundred million check please.
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  Speaker 1: I'll add one to you, and if you make a decision,
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  Speaker 1: you will be in the big league significantly. Quicker example
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  Speaker 1: right now now, Nolan McLean, he was a two way
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  Speaker 1: player in the pros. They're like, you should pitch, you'll
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  Speaker 1: be up pretty quick. Boom, he's up for the mats.
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen Nolan McLean play the field. I've seen
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  Speaker 3: Brendan McKay when they first when he first came up
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  Speaker 3: and cron Zone. I faced Cronzone in the minor leagues.
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  Speaker 3: I faced him back to back nights. Came out of bullpen.
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  Speaker 3: The first night he opened. The second night he came
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  Speaker 3: out of the He came out of a bullpen. He opened,
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  Speaker 3: he was ninety four to ninety six.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 3: Whacked him because I didn't whack him, but straight heater.
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  Speaker 3: Next night he comes out, he was ninety one to
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  Speaker 3: ninety three. He played the rest of the game at
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  Speaker 3: second base, the night before at shortstop, I think, and
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  Speaker 3: then he played the next game at shortstop, and then
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  Speaker 3: he came Then he came in and pitched like it's
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  Speaker 3: a It is hard to do. Yesterday, AJ was talking
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  Speaker 3: about how banana ball is like good baseball. There are
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  Speaker 3: people who can do really good baseball things. In a
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  Speaker 3: banana ball game. Two way guys, they can do really
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  Speaker 3: good baseball things. Jake Croninworth hit ninety six on the
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  Speaker 3: radar gun in the game I saw him. Brendan McKay
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  Speaker 3: threw left handed. His swing was good. But the big
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  Speaker 3: leagues are that much better. The big leagues, you have
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  Speaker 3: to be that much better to play the position you're
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  Speaker 3: playing that day, and to have to do that at
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  Speaker 3: two positions, it doesn't happen. It just doesn't happen. It's
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  Speaker 3: too hard. And in my opinion, they shouldn't have a
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  Speaker 3: rule that's league wide that affects one player one player.
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  Speaker 1: That's what this article is about. So let's dive into
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  Speaker 1: that for part two of this discussion. So this article said,
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  Speaker 1: starting in twenty twenty, the Otani Rule altered who qualified
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  Speaker 1: to have two way classification on an official roster. To
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  Speaker 1: officially get that distinction, a pitcher or player would need
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  Speaker 1: to pitch in twenty innings and play at least twenty
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  Speaker 1: MLB games as a position player or a DH with
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  Speaker 1: at least three played appearances in each game, and either
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  Speaker 1: the current or previous season. That matters because, of course,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a two way player, it doesn't count towards
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  Speaker 1: the limit of thirteen pitchers on a twenty six man roster.
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  Speaker 1: Jake Croninworth is quoted in this story saying that held
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  Speaker 1: him back. He said, he got reps pitching in Triple
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  Speaker 1: A like Crats is talking about through bullpen sessions when
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  Speaker 1: he was acquired by the Padres. But he said, quote,
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  Speaker 1: why does somebody need to qualify for something they've already
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  Speaker 1: proven they can do in college or the minor leagues,
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they have to qualify to
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  Speaker 1: do it in the major leagues. To me, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: make any sense. Now you're taking away this guy's natural
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  Speaker 1: ability to do two things at a high level, and
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  Speaker 1: now you have to make them basically earn it again.
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  Speaker 1: So he said, And outside of getting the two way classification,
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  Speaker 1: the only way a hitter can pitch in a game
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  Speaker 1: or vice versa would be in a game that goes
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  Speaker 1: to extras or when their team's either winning or trailing
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  Speaker 1: by six runs or more in a contest. That's when
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  Speaker 1: we see the position players pop up. So Cronenworth said,
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  Speaker 1: you could go four games where you have that, you
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  Speaker 1: could go three weeks where you never have that. So
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  Speaker 1: you're getting put on the roster is a hitter, but
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  Speaker 1: you're a two way guy. You can only pitch in
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  Speaker 1: certain situations. So if you put a guy on the
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  Speaker 1: roster as a pitcher, you're now taking away that bullpen spot,
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  Speaker 1: which is critical to teams. I'm adding that part and
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  Speaker 1: then corona Work said that was really the thing that
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  Speaker 1: hurt all the two way guys.
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  Speaker 2: Makes sense. What he's saying makes sense. They made this
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  Speaker 2: role for the show. Hey, right, they made this rule
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  Speaker 2: for show, Hay, is it right? Not if it if
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  Speaker 2: it's affecting other people from being able to do it,
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  Speaker 2: that's what so they would have Like what they're saying
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  Speaker 2: basically is corona Worth had to be designated a two
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  Speaker 2: way guy, but because he didn't qualify with enough innings
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  Speaker 2: or on the mound, then he would count as a
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  Speaker 2: pitcher and a hitter. And you're really only playing twenty
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  Speaker 2: five against twenty six is basically what they're playing in
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  Speaker 2: a pitcher short, which is the bigger problem.
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  Speaker 1: No team wants to do that team wants to guys up,
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  Speaker 1: so they're like, hey, go this route go that route.
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  Speaker 2: Now they change that rule though after a Taani missed
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  Speaker 2: the year last year.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't they change They tweaked it again to say what
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  Speaker 1: it was for this year or the year before or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. Right, so he counted multiple spots. They
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  Speaker 1: are making it an Otani rule. But this case is, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you're hurting us. Now. We don't have proof that someone's saying, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to groom this guy as a starter
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  Speaker 1: or as a pitcher and a position player because of
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  Speaker 1: this rule. But I think it's a valid point from Croninworth.
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  Speaker 1: You're put in a tough position to actually get this status.
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  Speaker 1: And if you're a superstar, who cares, You're going to
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  Speaker 1: rack that up in five seconds. But if not. Kratz,
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  Speaker 1: the only other thing he brought up is you gonna
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  Speaker 1: have your bench guy who comes in makes a start,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes pinch hitter at the end of the game, also
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  Speaker 1: available in the bullpen. So now you kind of have
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  Speaker 1: this super utility bench guy playing one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: games a year, some as a pitcher, some as a hitter.
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  Speaker 1: He said that would be the next best thing. But
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  Speaker 1: I read that, I'm like, damn, how are you gonna
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  Speaker 1: find a guy that's doing that. That's not easy.
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  Speaker 3: Either, because he's not coming in to pitch any high
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  Speaker 3: leverage games because then he wants to get his seventy
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  Speaker 3: appearances out of the bullpen so he can get paid.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like like as a backup. Like I think
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  Speaker 3: somewhere in there you have a backup catcher Lorenzen. He
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  Speaker 3: would come in and play left field. I remember when
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  Speaker 3: he was with the Reds and but he was definitely
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  Speaker 3: a pitcher. He just got some good swings off and
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  Speaker 3: hit some dingers. But like let's say a backup catcher,
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  Speaker 3: he's probably not that good of a hitter. He'd be
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  Speaker 3: the starting catcher. He comes in pitches now, all of
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  Speaker 3: a sudden, he's throwing. At this day and age, you
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  Speaker 3: can't come in and throw anything less than ninety seven
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  Speaker 3: if you're coming in a game in useful spots. Now
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  Speaker 3: it's like, well, why don't you just pitch all the
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  Speaker 3: time because you stink as a hitter. So to me,
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  Speaker 3: it inhibits. This rule is only helping Otani really, but
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  Speaker 3: to me it's pointless. To me, it's a it's doesn't
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  Speaker 3: it's hurting more people than it's helping, and the few
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  Speaker 3: people that it's hurting. It's so silly that it's getting
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  Speaker 3: in their way.
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  Speaker 1: So will we get a two way player unless it's
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  Speaker 1: a superstar. Can you get a more mid two way player?
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  Speaker 1: It's gotta be super or starts worth.
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  Speaker 2: How do you get to the point though, where you
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  Speaker 2: count as only one player? Because you have to be
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  Speaker 2: able to pitch in enough games right to get to
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  Speaker 2: that point, and those games don't happen enough in a
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  Speaker 2: regular season, So how would you ever get to that point?
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  Speaker 2: They should Here's what they should happen. They should make Yes,
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  Speaker 2: the rule is fine if they want to have this rule,
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  Speaker 2: but there should be like when a guy comes up,
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  Speaker 2: all right, he's a two way guy, and you get
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  Speaker 2: a year or two to get this numbers right, to
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  Speaker 2: get these numbers under his feet so he can then
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  Speaker 2: carry this over. But in order just to say you
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  Speaker 2: have to do this your first year, it's not gonna
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  Speaker 2: happen because the team doesn't want to lose to be
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  Speaker 2: down a pitcher.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I actually like this. You incentivize teams to promote
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  Speaker 1: two way plays, that's what they want to do, and say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you get a two way player spot, even if that
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  Speaker 1: player doesn't end up working out. At least you gave
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  Speaker 1: it a shot, and that player has to participate an
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  Speaker 1: x amount of every team.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I like that, but the pitcher has to pitch.
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  Speaker 4: The guy has to pitch.
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  Speaker 1: You have to do both otherwise you're cheating the system.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he has to pitch.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little complicated, but I like it because
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  Speaker 1: it would incentivize teams to get that extra spot if
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  Speaker 1: they're actually.
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  Speaker 2: Because nobody can get to those innings limits. Because if
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  Speaker 2: you can't, if you're not designated to way impossible. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, it's impossible to ever get there. So
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  Speaker 2: Showy is the only guy that could ever do it
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  Speaker 2: well because they made this rule after he.
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  Speaker 5: Was already there.
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  Speaker 1: No, but also with show Hey, let's say he's starting
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  Speaker 1: from scratch. He's like when he starts his career, he's
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  Speaker 1: in the rotation, so he's going to rack up the innings.
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  Speaker 1: And then he's also dhing, so he's racking.
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  Speaker 2: Up, but the team is playing down a position a
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  Speaker 2: picture that for the wall. He's just on the roster. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he threw it as a rotation member, but they're still
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  Speaker 2: down a picture. Right with the rule, now, they don't
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  Speaker 2: lose the picture. You can only have thirteen pictures, right,
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  Speaker 2: so he'd have to be designated a picture.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But let's then they're they're playing with thirteen right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's say let's says let's use.
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  Speaker 2: That Tony, let's use let's we'll use Corona one. Crona
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  Speaker 2: was a starting pitcher, yepka in the rotation, in the rotation, right,
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  Speaker 2: but then you know he's hitting or whatever however they
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  Speaker 2: want to use him. But then they then they're basically
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  Speaker 2: down a position player of those games he pitches, because
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  Speaker 2: he can't if he's pitching, they usually don't take the
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  Speaker 2: pitcher and put him in at second base or outfield
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  Speaker 2: or shortstop or wherever they want to put him for
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  Speaker 2: that game, first base because they're like, oh, he's got
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  Speaker 2: to get his arm stuff in. That's why Otani pitcher.
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  Speaker 2: The DH is fine, right, but there's still down a
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  Speaker 2: pitcher because let's you know, if he's if they want
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  Speaker 2: to use Lorenzo and we use Lorenza, if he's a reliever,
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  Speaker 2: then your really reliever is more complicated.
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  Speaker 1: Rotation makes sense. I mean, if you have a five
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  Speaker 1: man rotor, there's very.
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  Speaker 2: Few guys that can hit well enough though to justify
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  Speaker 2: pitching once every fifth or sixth day and then playing
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  Speaker 2: the field every four other four days.
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  Speaker 4: You have very few people that can do.
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  Speaker 1: The concept is if he's a starter, Crats, you have
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  Speaker 1: a five man rotation. That picture counts right until he
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  Speaker 1: classifies as a DH. So so MLB is looking at
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  Speaker 1: it as hey, you've got your five, there's your five.
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  Speaker 1: He's included in your five, and then you have your
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  Speaker 1: your thirteen pitcher max right, so you have your eight relievers.
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  Speaker 1: So they're saying you're getting dinged a little bit, but
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  Speaker 1: not really. I mean you're going to get the advantage. Really,
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  Speaker 1: it creates an advantage. So if you're in the rotation,
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  Speaker 1: you do your twenty innings or whatever, it is, now
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  Speaker 1: your two way player. Now you get to add another reliever.
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  Speaker 1: So it actually does incentivize the teams a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, Not really am I getting this, Red Crats?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you on this?
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  Speaker 3: I think it gets in the way. If this is
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  Speaker 3: something major League Baseball really wants to me, the rule is.
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  Speaker 4: Getting in the way. You have you have to drop,
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  Speaker 4: you have to.
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  Speaker 3: Lower the amount of innings because it's going to take
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  Speaker 3: somebody it's going to take somebody a lot of time
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  Speaker 3: to rack up twenty innings.
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  Speaker 1: Jars story, but as a reliever.
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  Speaker 4: But it's not. It's not happening.
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  Speaker 2: So the big leagues, it's the big leagues.
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  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying it's a month.
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  Speaker 2: It's a month's you're losing a month of a player.
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  Speaker 4: I agree.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't Lorenzen promote this in the offseason saying that he
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  Speaker 1: could do that. He would, he would, he.
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  Speaker 3: Would jump right in, he'd have his twenty innings already.
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  Speaker 1: So okay. I found it when when he was pitching
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  Speaker 1: himself as a two way player, he said, I can
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  Speaker 1: log twenty games, three played appearances each of those games
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  Speaker 1: as a position player or DH. Then I can become
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  Speaker 1: a fourteenth pitcher on your roster because at that point
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't count against the roster limit, and that a
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  Speaker 1: non contender can do that and then trade him to
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  Speaker 1: a contender. Obviously you'd have to do that beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the season, and no team's going to be like besides,
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  Speaker 1: three of them are going to be like, okay, we'll
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  Speaker 1: just do this and eat the at bats. But it's
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  Speaker 1: it's a cool concept. I remember we covered it. You
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  Speaker 1: remember we talked about it in the off season. I
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  Speaker 1: think they should change it toward teams. Every team gets
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  Speaker 1: a grace period on a two way player, right, Crotchy like,
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  Speaker 1: just say, hey, why do you want to have a
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  Speaker 1: two way player? Yeah, if they want to incentivize it,
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  Speaker 1: then do it like that. Make it to where's it's
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  Speaker 1: incentivized from the team to do it, not just yeah,
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  Speaker 1: make it easier, make it easier. It might happen.
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  Speaker 3: People want to see Jack Kagleon throw ninety seven miles
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  Speaker 3: an hour from the left side. Honestly, they don't know
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  Speaker 3: the intricacies of the fact that he can't locate his
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  Speaker 3: fastball as well as a big league pitcher. Should they
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  Speaker 3: want to see ninety seven. They're like, well, that dude
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  Speaker 3: just hit a four hundred and fifty foot digger. Now
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  Speaker 3: he's throwing ninety seven to me. Let everybody have it.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe some teams will take advantage of it, but everybody's
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  Speaker 3: at the same everybody's at the same on the same level.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, it's getting in the way of the three
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  Speaker 3: or four guys that possibly could do it at a
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  Speaker 3: big league level.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, good discussion. If you're watching this afterwards. Let
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  Speaker 1: us know your thoughts in the comments. I don't we
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  Speaker 1: don't need the trolling. Just what would you do to
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  Speaker 5: Could at the end of this week. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 5: they're six on the wild card race, if you want
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: to say that, they're in the race, and they've got
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  Speaker 5: a series here at Kansas City and a series home
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  Speaker 5: against Cleveland. The two teams that are directly ahead of
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  Speaker 5: them to try and get to the fourth spot in
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  Speaker 5: the wildcard race. And look, for the last two years,
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: this team has not played well on the road. It's
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: not played well against winning teams, and so they've got
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: their work out for him this week, and first time
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: out on Monday, they didn't really show up all that
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  Speaker 5: well against Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. So Texas six games back of whatever
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: you want to call it. I mean the Yanks, Red
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Sox and Seattle in a similar spot as you can
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  Speaker 1: see on the screen, but Kansas City and Cleveland to
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: jump through. Like Evan is mentioning, So what's the main
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: problem here? Where are we at? Or is it the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: same problem we've been talking about all year.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: All year for two years, Scott. I mean it's the offense, right,
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: This offense is not produced. Whatever the Rangers attempts to
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: fix the offense this offseason have not produced. You look
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: up this lineup. If you look at Sunday's lineups and
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: the Rangers facing off against Toronto, I think the Blue
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Jays first six hitters had ops's of seven to fifty
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: or better. The Rangers had one hitter in their lineup
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: with an OPS of better than seven to fifty, and
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: so there's been too much volatility in the lineup. There's
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: been too many guys you have been in prolonged and
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: steady declines and there haven't been a whole bunch of
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: bounce back years for guys who had four years last year.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Is this what is this the end of what? Is
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: this the end of the seasons? You know they're cooked,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: they're not going to make the playoffs? Is this Boachi's end?
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Is this the end of how this team is constructed offensively?
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Eric?
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: I think those are all very valid questions. You know,
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: Boach put off the managerial question at the beginning of
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: the year, and that's not going to get answered until
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: this season is over. That's just not the way he operates.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: But when you start talking about the construction of this team,
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of questions that the Rangers
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: have to start addressing for the future. You've got two guys,
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: you know, Dolas Garcia and Jonahanan, who're both arbitration eligible
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: and who were both in the bottom can I believe
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: it is in ops over the past two years. So
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I expect both of those guys to not be in
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: the picture next year. That's two holes you've got to fill.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: As you guys just showed a tweet from last night.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Josh Young, who's going into arbitration and really has kind
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: of been the sign post for what was a renewed
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: farm system when he was taken in twenty nineteen in
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: the first round. He's sitting in the middle of the
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: most critical week of the season being replaced by Cody
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: Freeman at third base. Brings some energy to the team,
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: but he's got five big league games to under his belt,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: so I think this is a real kind of come
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: to Jesus moment for Josh Young in his development. And
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: we can go around the field one guy after another.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: You know, Wyatt Langford I think is still a star
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: in the making, but he's had he's gone kind of
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: through a sophomore slump to some extent. Evan Carter, I
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: think there's still some questions about whether or not he
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: can stay on the field to be an everyday starting
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: center fielder. Marcus Simeon is you know, we talk about
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: guys playing through stuff. Marcus Simeon plays through a lot
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: of stuff, but the decline is is pretty evident there
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: in his numbers over the last two years. So I
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: think there is a lot that the Rangers are going
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: to have to attack this offseason, and they may need
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: to attack it in the next week once this season
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: kind of comes to a conclusion in terms of being competitive.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Evan, I just did I had your game. You skipped
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: out last two weeks ago. Well I heard you were
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: going to be Yeah, I figured, no worry. I still
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: got barbecue without you. Thank you, Jared Sandler, Thank you, Jared.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: You're the best. But I'll see I want to say this,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: somebody has said to me after the game, look at
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: the look at the scoreboard.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: There's a giant scoreboard at Global Life.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It's big as the biggest people's houses, right, And don't
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: look at the names, like you said, just look at
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: the ops's And it was like six fifty six seventy
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: seven oh two six forty and Seeger I think was
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the only one that was seven fifty year above. The
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: rest were all in the six hundreds or low seven hundreds.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And they said, now tell me how that competes against.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: And it was the Philly So you had Sharper Harper,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Castiano's turner Real Muto was like boom boom, boom, boom boom,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: and you're like, Oh, one of these teams is really
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: good and the other team is really bad. Now they
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: brought in Bret Boone, They've tried to make some things happen,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: but what just hasn't clicked. We talked last year about
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: the four team basketball. They couldn't hit that. But what changed?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Because two years ago this offense was unbelievable and now
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like it went away.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: I think you've had a combination aj of some guys
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: having career years in twenty twenty three, which is necessary
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: for a team to win a World Series, right, You've
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: got to have some surprises. I think that was part
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: of it. And I think that there has been probably
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: more significant and steady decline from Aduls in Jonaheim and
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: the large part Marcus than the Rangers anticipated. On top
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: of that, it just does not feel like this team
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: has made progress in any of the areas that has
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: identified to attack right the forcing fastball is still an
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: issue for this team this year. The ability to hit
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: left handers is still an issue for this team this year.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: And so this is a two year process now where
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: the Rangers haven't made a whole bunch of progress, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: that is where to me, it gets to a point
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: where you start to say, Okay, we've got to change
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: some directions here. We've got to look at what we
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: want to do with personnel, because maybe the personnel isn't
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: quite as as as productive as we anticipated they would be.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Can you hit on one of your tweets you talked
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: about adulis how fans are just so use the word vitual.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Could you hit on that a little bit about how
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: fans have gotten on a guy who helped bring a
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: World Series championship to their city.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Look chratzy. One of my big pet peeves on Twitter
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: is that fans like to just toss around DFA, you know,
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: DFA DFA option even if guys don't have options, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: the whole idea of the social media where people can
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: get angry and offer their opinions. I think sometimes it
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: just gets out of hand. And I know I'm just
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: screaming at clouds, but I do think you can say
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: that Adolas Garcia has underperformed, There's no question about that.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: And you can say that Adolas Garcia's time with the
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Rangers is probably coming to an end. But I think
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: you can do all of that if you need to
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: voice that opinion as a fan, I think you can
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: do all of that without ever, you know, making it personal.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: And you know, when you talk about a team not
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: having the balls to show a guy the door, it
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: becomes it sounds a little bit personal. That's the other
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: big mystery about Twitter is somebody may just be offering
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: their opinion. It may just be the way they're talking
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: for the moment. They may not intend it to be personal,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: but that's the tone that a lot of people can take.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Agreed. Agreed.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: By the way, Bochi has that tone when I brought
• 22:53
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• 22:55
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• 22:58
  Speaker 2: not having you there, and him and Rich right for
• 23:00
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• 23:02
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• 23:04
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• 23:06
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  Speaker 2: All right, so here's what you mentioned. Jonaheim and Adolie
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Scarcia kind of in the same breath of arbitration. What
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: happened to Jonaheim? I know he heard his risk two
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: years ago, but he was one of you could have
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: made an argument he was the best catcher in baseball.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Are close to a top two or three in twenty
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: twenty three.
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: Twenty twenty three All Star Game, and yeah, what happened. Well,
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think there's a couple of factors that
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: contributed to something.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: He did catch an awful lot in twenty three and
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: basically caught every evening of the postseason, and so that
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: was a heavy workload. And in twenty three he had
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: the risk is issue, which he came back from very quickly.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: There was a thought that he might need surgery on
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: that ended up not needing surgery. But ever since then,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: ever he had off season and another off season for
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: extra recovery time, he just has not produced. And I
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: don't know, the Rangers know that he's trying, even though
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: the body language on the field is kind of it's
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: it looks like a low energy kind of body language,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: But the Rangers feel like he's putting the effort in.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: I just feel like this is the classic guy who
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: had a career year at the right time for this team.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: When when they got him from Oakland or what was
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: then Oakland, I think the Rangers felt this is the
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: guy who could catch eighty to one hundred games for
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: us and be you know, kind of that, Like I
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: don't want to say strong side platoon catcher, but a
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: little bit heavier than just a backup catcher, a guy
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: who split job, split time pretty evenly. Maybe that's his
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: best role. Maybe there's some soul searching that Jonah's got
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: to do about where exactly he stands in terms of
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: some swing decisions. But this is just a guy who
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: who has regressed. And you can make that case with
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: a Doles going into his mid thirties and with Marcus
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: going into his mid thirties. Jonah is not in that
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: same boat in terms of age. So that's been the
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: real I think that's been the real mystery. And look,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: there's greater minds than the me trying to figure this out.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Bobby Wilson, as both you guys know, he cares about
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: his catchers like family, and Bobby's put a ton of
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: effort and investment into this and it just hasn't produced
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: results on the field.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I would say what I think AJ wants to say,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: but he's not allowed because he's the he's the guy
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: when it talks about playing too much. Yeah, anybody, anybody could.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: I you could go out in any part of your
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: career and catch one hundred and fifty games in a
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: season that doesn't create a two year decline? To me,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: do you think the do you think the team kind
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: of lost faith in them after one bad year? They
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: went out and got Kyle Higashioka, who brings a lot
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: of value receiving wise, and now this year he's almost
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: in two seventies, so he's he's bringing it with the
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: with the stick too. But do you think the Rangers
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: belief in their player may have kind of hurt that
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: because you said, as soon as they brought him in,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: maybe he was an eighty to one hundred guy. He's
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: an All star, and then you get one year, one
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: year essentially to prove it, and they go out and
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: spend twelve million dollars on a backup catcher.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the only answer I'd happen to that, Eric,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: probably is that, Listen, last year was really poor.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: It was it was.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: It was a really bad season, and I do think
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: that the Rangers felt like they needed some insurance and
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: they needed somebody who could step in if this slide continued.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: And you know, they had traded for Carson Kelly last
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: year to kind of be a legitimate backup type split
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: split time. Carson's had a great year in Chicago this year,
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: and I think they felt like they needed to continue
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: that kind of splitting of time this season. And maybe
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: it did in some regard it rode Jonah's confidence in himself.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: But whatever has been the case. You know, this is
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: a guy who has a six oh four OPS over
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: the last two years. It's the third worst in baseball,
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: and it just he's got to be more productive at
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: the plate to be a to be a regular player.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I hate that. I hate he playing too much.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: He won a pitcher, he didn't get his arm over exposed,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: he caught he's a catcher. No have all off season
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: to get better played too much. Come on, evn't quick
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: given quick, quick, quick making stuff up now, Evan, this
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: is what this is what people complain about you about.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: You make stuff up and then you tweet it the
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: people believe it, So stop stop it all right now.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: You also told me recently that this was Bruce Bochi's
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: last year. So now since you're making up things, let's
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: go and see. Is this Bruce Bochi's last year?
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: I think if I if I had to pick one
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: or the other, I think this is probably gonna be
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: it for Boach. But I I I asked him he's questions.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: At the beginning of the year, he made it very
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: clear he wasn't going to deal with this and it
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: was going to be put off until the end of
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: the season. And I still feel like this is a
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: very cagy person. He's a cag manager, and he's cagy
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: in his answers, and so I don't rule anything out.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: But there have been times to me when Bouches looked
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: tired and frustrated this year, and it's got to be
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: a frustrating year. And the one thing for me that
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: would be that would be a shame is this is
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: one of the great managers of the last century. I
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: sure would hate for him to go out with a
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: team that just didn't live up to expectations in any
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: way whatsoever.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Devin, I'm in Kansas City in two weeks.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Two weeks or next weekend, So two weekends from now,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: two saturdays from now, that's barbecue in Kansas City where
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: shuld I go eat.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Hey, Jay, what's your favorite But you've been here so much,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: what's your favorite barbecue spot?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Is it?
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Joe's No stack, Stack's always been in my spots.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: You just like Jack stat because it's convenient because you
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: stay Jack Sack.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: No, what's it's no?
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Sorry?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Q thirty nine, Sorry, not stack Q thirty nine.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: I was a Q thirty nine yesterday and I like
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Q thirty nine a lot. I may go to Charbar today,
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: which is a place that I've I've kind of started
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: to like a lot more in the last couple of years.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: And since I'm here, if I tried to go to
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: Joe's now, there's going to be a line out the doors,
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: So I may save that for tomorrow and an early launch.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: But there's three there's three great spots in the rotation
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: and more places that I just you know, haven't discovered.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Rose need to play like a ten game series
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: against the Rangers, so you can just do the tour.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I can hear Evan getting fatter.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I miss Casey. I missed that Casey barbecue.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah a j I ate healthy last weekend when I
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: wasn't with the club. I spent the weekend and in
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: your home state eating lots of grouper down by the beach.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: That's that's a great.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Time you go. That's what you do, so then you
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: can do the barbecue week now in Kansas.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I got to eat healthy for this week until I
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: out of Kansas City for two days.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: There you go, good plan. Well, I haven't enjoy it. Man,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: good to catch up with. Do you appreciate the time
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: as always?
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Hey, j I was glad to see that you played
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: some banana ball. I mean, I think that was That's
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: your career right there.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: Banana ball.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Hey Evan, listen, don't knock it till you try it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm gonna call Jesse and I'm gonna
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: make him get your ass out there and getting it
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: back and see how it goes. And then I'm gonna
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: tweet and talk about it and then we can see
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: whose job is easier to do.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I would I'd love to go cover a banana ball thing.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: They're not playing in North Texas this year. They've started
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: the Texas Tailgaters as one of their other teams and
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: they're playing in Frisco. Hopefully next year the Bananas will
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: come to North Texas because I would like to go
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: do that story. There's I think it's a fun event
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: and it looks like all of you guys who have
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: participated have just had a blast doing it. And really,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: I don't want to say that you never did that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: You didn't have fun when you played, but rediscovered how
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: much fun the game can be just in those short
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: little bursts.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Agreed every If you check on my Instagram, I said it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Everyone wants to get to play one more game, and
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to get to do it in front of forty plus
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: thousand a sold out crowd with Mark Burley, one of
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: my best buddies and best teammates, was something that you
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: can never forget. And I thank Jesse and the bananas
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: and the firefighters by the way, everyone everyone talks about
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the party animals and the tailgaters, but the firefighters are
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: some good dudes too. So they're adding two teams next year, Evans,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: so watch out. Maybe they lot of It's a team.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Somewhere team media team.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: The oh media team.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: That would be awesome.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeahs to an all media team.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, people would love to come see that.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Anyone that that players would really love.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: The next players would love. You can get us alumni
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: versus media game. That's what someone should start right there.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: They have that. They did that. I think with the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yanks at some point.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: It's not good. I've seen it. It's not good.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: It's not good.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I well, I did that at camp, like thirty years
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: ago when the Marlins and Reds had a joint fantasy
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: camp and I participated, and the whole time, growing up
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: a Braves fan, I tease Jack Billingham about, you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: giving up seven fourteen to Aaron and I was in
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: third grade and saw you do that, and then when
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: the game came around, he threw a yacker right up
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: my head. So that was a fun moment. M.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: We're glad to see you still here with us. Seven.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: That's what's most important. Enjoy that barbecue. We'll hit you.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: See you when we maybe do a post mortem on
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: this team. Thanks seven, Thanks seven, See y'all,