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Grow up, buttercup! | HBR Talk 397 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Of course, my phone has to
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  Speaker 1: go off right now, Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk
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  Speaker 1: three ninety seven. Grow up, Buttercup. I thought I muted that,
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  Speaker 1: but I guess I didn't. I'm your host, Hannah Wallen,
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  Speaker 1: here with nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks, the personification of perceptivity,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Stevenson, Richard the lionhearted, who isn't gonna say hello,
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  Speaker 1: You gonna say hello?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't need that.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay Hello. Mike seems to be the only one
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  Speaker 1: that's got the hello Hello, Richard, and the doge in
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  Speaker 1: charge Brian Martinez, who has been working in the background
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  Speaker 1: to make everything happen, and actually if he wants to
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  Speaker 1: say hello, he can because we're not in video Ninja anymore.
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  Speaker 1: So there we go. But we got to recap because
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  Speaker 1: it's been a wild ride the last couple months in
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  Speaker 1: terms of back and forth in the information we've been
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  Speaker 1: looking at. Because if women cannot make up their minds,
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  Speaker 1: female journalists cannot make up their minds to the ins degree.
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  Speaker 1: So we started out with reading women's demonization of insuls
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  Speaker 1: for having the audacity to experience loneliness and talking to
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  Speaker 1: each other about their circumstances, their experiences, and sometimes looking
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  Speaker 1: for ways to improve their circumstances and their experiences. Then
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  Speaker 1: we read an article lamenting the low birth rate and
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  Speaker 1: blaming it on men who won't commit. So it's bad
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  Speaker 1: that men want to be with women, and it's bad
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  Speaker 1: if men don't want to be with women. Now we're
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  Speaker 1: halfway through an article about why women won't commit. So
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  Speaker 1: it's bad if men want to be with women, and
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  Speaker 1: it's bad if men don't want to be with women,
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  Speaker 1: but women don't want to be with men. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a straight guy, like I would hate living
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  Speaker 1: like that that. How do you date?
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  Speaker 3: It? Just I don't. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. It doesn't make things difficult.
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  Speaker 4: It does feel like being a camel presented with the
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  Speaker 4: eye of a needle. Or is it the other way around.
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  Speaker 4: It's something like that. It's something along the lines of no, yeah, thanks, thanks,
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  Speaker 4: but no thanks, Brah, don't think I could do it.
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  Speaker 1: It just uh, it just looks like the hardest thing
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  Speaker 1: in the world to try to figure out.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if it's offer to be on the self path,
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  Speaker 3: then I take it. If it's not, I just I
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  Speaker 3: just leave it alone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can understand that too, because uh we
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  Speaker 1: we we haven't recently, but we have looked at articles
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  Speaker 1: in the past where women describe men as always being scary, right,
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  Speaker 1: and we've addressed the stupid bear meme.
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  Speaker 3: It's only it's only the ugly ones they find scary.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. And the really bad thing is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not always the u the ugly ones
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  Speaker 1: who are scary. In fact, women women got killed because
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  Speaker 1: they trusted the good looking guy, right, they trusted they
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  Speaker 1: be innocent looking guy.
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  Speaker 3: I be so because I scared women so much that
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  Speaker 3: some women will call the place on me, jeez and
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  Speaker 3: be arrested.
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  Speaker 1: I've met you, Richard. You are about as scary as
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  Speaker 1: a bath sponge.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's like they will find me scary and call
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  Speaker 3: the police. And I can't sit in the park and
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  Speaker 3: read a book.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's insane. There's just this is one that
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't heard before. Like I've heard some of your
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  Speaker 1: stories and some of your experiences, but sitting in a
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  Speaker 1: park and reading a book gets a police called.
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  Speaker 3: Because men can't sit in a park and be by themselves.
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  Speaker 3: In England, because every every if it once, if you
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  Speaker 3: were into England, that added two thousands. There was the
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  Speaker 3: pedo epidemic scare done by the tabloids. I think Mike
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  Speaker 3: might know a bit about that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's it's You all might be thinking of
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of racial ship. Well, well Richard was saying that,
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  Speaker 4: But no, it's it's it's a man sitting by himself
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  Speaker 4: in the park. Now Richard just described that as though
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  Speaker 4: it's what the fuck is he even talking about just
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  Speaker 4: a man sitting a load of the park. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: actually a man's sitting alone in a park. The average
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  Speaker 4: British normy will hear that scene described and they're quite
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  Speaker 4: likely to think nons. Why why would a man sit
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  Speaker 4: by himself in a park other than two non's children.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's a horrific thing to say. Now in Britain,
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  Speaker 4: most of us will hear this and go yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: sort of we understand the stereotype and and and to
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  Speaker 4: some degree we know that it's not true. But at
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  Speaker 4: the same time, the sort of it's it's where it's
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  Speaker 4: going with the truth. There's absolutely no discussion about female pedophars.
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  Speaker 1: What if he sits alone at Walden pond and and
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  Speaker 1: writes a book.
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  Speaker 3: No we still we still get cor.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, we have a woman with you, or
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  Speaker 4: you need to have your own children with you at
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  Speaker 4: the with the blessing of the mother of those children.
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  Speaker 1: So the book does not actually get to be written.
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  Speaker 3: Then no, No, I have so to go to the
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  Speaker 3: podcast to have my care I to have my support
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  Speaker 3: working with me. And when I go to now.
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  Speaker 1: Well on silver lining, I guess your support worker gets
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  Speaker 1: to hang out in the park for a little while
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  Speaker 1: and relax.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and gets paid for it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but holy crap, I that's that is just an
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable situation.
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  Speaker 4: And women like like it's a point of oppression or something.
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  Speaker 4: It's a point of of of of cultural almost humor
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  Speaker 4: like like it it has bled into the legal system
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  Speaker 4: to some degree. It's not like every man who sits
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  Speaker 4: on alone on a bench is going to get arrested
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  Speaker 4: being obviously I'm sort of I'm sort of exaggerating. It's
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  Speaker 4: just this, it's it's become this element in the British
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  Speaker 4: sense of humor that well, you know about Jimmy Savile, right,
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  Speaker 4: a guy who wears a shell shute and sunglasses and
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  Speaker 4: stands outside you know, middle schools or lower schools. That's
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  Speaker 4: that's the that's the stereotype of a of a nonse.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what's sad about it is this really
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't surprise me because here in the United States, there's
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  Speaker 1: been several news stories in the last ten years or
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  Speaker 1: so of men who have been arrested because strangers assumed
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  Speaker 1: that since they had children with them, they must be
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  Speaker 1: kidnappers who had kidnapped those children. And these would be
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  Speaker 1: fathers with their children getting arrested because other people saw
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  Speaker 1: a man with children and assumed he must have kidnapped them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and with that happening, it's it's just a it's not
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  Speaker 1: even a hop or a skip, not a jump, not
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  Speaker 1: even a half step to get from that man must
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  Speaker 1: have kidnapped those children. They can't possibly be his to
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  Speaker 1: A man in a place that children hang out must
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  Speaker 1: be there to look at the children, even if it's
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  Speaker 1: a public place that people go to to relax. I
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  Speaker 1: guess you can't go to a theater alone anymore. You
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  Speaker 1: can't go to a bookstore alone anymore, especially you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the mall or any place where kids hang out.
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  Speaker 3: It just be I used to go to this one
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  Speaker 3: calf by myself and in the place where I go.
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  Speaker 3: I still go there occasionally, but nobody bothers me there
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  Speaker 3: because they're on my face. So I just go there
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  Speaker 3: if I need a break from overthink.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can be by yourself as a matter, as
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  Speaker 4: long as you blend into the background.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If people notice you, then then it's a problem.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, don't express any emotions or anything. I do.
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  Speaker 3: I'm the type of person that if I'm blend into
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  Speaker 3: a background.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: See, that's what I need to teach you. My power
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  Speaker 1: of invisibility.
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  Speaker 3: I only only two women who are penty and tenty
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  Speaker 3: to forty. I'm invisible too.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, So you do have some of it already.
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  Speaker 1: So I have the photographer's power of invisibility. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: not really there and I'm not trying to take your picture,
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  Speaker 1: so you shouldn't notice me. And it it works, believed
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  Speaker 1: or not, because there's usually something else going on that's
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  Speaker 1: much more interesting than the idiot with the camera. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: Have that luxury of invisibility. I'm quite striking. I just
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  Speaker 4: have have those one one of those faces. The people
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  Speaker 4: just go who is that guy? I want to get
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  Speaker 4: I'm being I'm being in a dickhead.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go ahead, and they didn't mix up with yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that would be that would be different. I think I think,
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  Speaker 1: I think you guys look pretty different from each other,
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  Speaker 1: so unless you were talking about me and then we
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  Speaker 1: looked dramatically different from each other. So far as I know,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't have boobs.
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  Speaker 4: When it comes to the mainstream media trying to describe
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  Speaker 4: those of us who criticize feminism, a lot of them
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  Speaker 4: have got confused. They thought sagn was me. They thought
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  Speaker 4: there's just some guy would on the internet to make
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  Speaker 4: a front of feminists, and.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's true. People think they don't.
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  Speaker 4: Quite know the difference. They think there's just one guy
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  Speaker 4: the entire m.
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  Speaker 3: D M R.
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  Speaker 1: A oh yeah, which one? But yeah, Now people think
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  Speaker 1: I'm from Canada, so you know, because Karen, Karen and
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  Speaker 1: Allison are from Canada, so I must also be from Canada.
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  Speaker 1: But I got news for y'all. Ohio has not been
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  Speaker 1: part of Canada since the Revolutionary War, so you can
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  Speaker 1: you can quit with that.
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  Speaker 3: But hack the hackers fortune.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, there we go, or or the hacker known as
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  Speaker 1: four h that's a little too meta. But in the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: we got to get get to it. But before we
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  Speaker 1: get to it, we gotta do what we gotta do.
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  Speaker 4: As on the preamble, oh shit, sorry we.
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  Speaker 1: on YouTube, krit you sixty No, that's U six Oh
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  Speaker 1: broke gave us four ninety nine and said, broke up
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  Speaker 1: with my girlfriend and have no friends at all. Watching
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  Speaker 1: you guys to cope, so well, hopefully we're helping. That
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  Speaker 1: kind of sucks. That sounds rotten, although most of the time,
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  Speaker 1: when you have a breakup, it needed to happen and
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  Speaker 1: you'll find a better situation on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: that after you get through the part where you don't
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  Speaker 1: like it.
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  Speaker 4: So don't don't cope, just breathe. Yeah, well, I guess
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  Speaker 4: this seething. I guess the difference between coping and breathing
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  Speaker 4: is seething. But that's only you broke as must as
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  Speaker 4: you can and just breathe. If you feel like you're coping,
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  Speaker 4: just breathe. That's what these fucking zen masters say.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, Well, there is some there is some truth
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  Speaker 1: to it, but the real thing to do after a
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  Speaker 1: breakup is take a step back. And focus on the
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  Speaker 1: things that you like to do and that you want
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  Speaker 1: to improve about yourself, and uh, you know, just the
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  Speaker 1: stuff you want to work on. You want to get
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  Speaker 1: better at something than you are right now, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: some athletic thing or some artistic thing, or or something
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  Speaker 1: to do with your job, or you know, anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, do that, focus on that, Throw your energy
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  Speaker 1: into that. Every time your mind starts to wander something
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  Speaker 1: that makes you unhappy, take that and work through it
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  Speaker 1: for a minute, and then turn around and take the
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  Speaker 1: the anxiety, the excess energy that comes from that anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: and focus on something else. And that seems to be
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  Speaker 1: the most effective way to survive a breakup, or at
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  Speaker 1: least in my experience. I've been through quite a few
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  Speaker 1: of them, and most of the time it was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even have anybody to be mad at, because
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't that kind of breakup normally. I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I ever really broke up with anybody
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  Speaker 1: in anger, and I don't think anybody ever broke up
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  Speaker 1: with me in anger. But it still hurts, right, so
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  Speaker 1: you have to find other things too. It's not so
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  Speaker 1: much that you're distracting yourself from the pain. It's that
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  Speaker 1: you're because you're still working through it. It's that you're
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  Speaker 1: not letting it get in your way, and you're not
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  Speaker 1: making it the primary focus of your life, because if
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  Speaker 1: you do that, it takes longer to heal. It's like
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  Speaker 1: picking a scab off of a wound over and over again.
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  Speaker 1: It'll heal faster if you leave that on there and
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  Speaker 1: and just focus on something else. And so that's the
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  Speaker 1: best thing to do. But then we also have this
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  Speaker 1: one's not paid. But Richard Pierre asked, is Canada part
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  Speaker 1: of Ohio? Though y'all know it's all Ohio, always has been,
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  Speaker 1: so yes, Canada must be part of Ohio. But with that, I.
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  Speaker 4: From Ohio and I am from Britain.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, that is correct.
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  Speaker 4: I am from ancient Mesopotamia and I am from Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: You are all from Ohio. Iow And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio is a greeting in Japan, so even back in
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  Speaker 1: the day, they knew, they knew, So this is where.
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  Speaker 4: We were like kind of a greeting in English.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, depending depending on what part of the United States
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  Speaker 1: you're from, it's ayah and and it is a greeting.
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  Speaker 1: But this is where we were UH last week. This
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  Speaker 1: is where we finished off Longing for Personal Growth. And
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  Speaker 1: this is something that like I like I, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I finished the opener or not, but like
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  Speaker 1: I said in the low bar, we're halfway through UH
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  Speaker 1: an article about why women won't commit women are immature,
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  Speaker 1: women most affected and this this is nothing sets this
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  Speaker 1: more than the Longing for Personal Growth paragraph that we
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  Speaker 1: just read, because like I said last week, you do
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  Speaker 1: that your whole life. You have personal growth your whole life.
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  Speaker 1: It starts the minute that you realize you're not alone
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  Speaker 1: in the world, and you start dying when it stops.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's I've even seen people with dementia experience personal growth.
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  Speaker 1: You know, they've changed things about themselves in order to
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  Speaker 1: survive the dementia for lack of a better term, lack
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  Speaker 1: of a better way to say it. So, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of silly to say that you can't get married
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  Speaker 1: because you want to get your personal growth done before
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  Speaker 1: before you get married. So now we are at number six,
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  Speaker 1: past baggage and fear of repetition. This is going to look,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot like the one one where they
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  Speaker 1: said relationships don't last instability of the relationship. Remember we
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  Speaker 1: pointed out in regard to that that somewhere between sixty
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  Speaker 1: nine percent and eighty percent, depending on which which law
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  Speaker 1: blog you read of, divorces are initiated by women, mostly
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  Speaker 1: not due to the man cheating or abusing the woman,
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  Speaker 1: but because she's bored, she's resentful of having to do housework,
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  Speaker 1: or she cheated because she got bored. So past baggage,
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  Speaker 1: our writer here says, I carried the scars from a
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  Speaker 1: past relationship for a long time. The emotional turmoil, the
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  Speaker 1: trust issues, the hurt. They all lingered beneath the surface,
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  Speaker 1: much like a healed wound that still aches melodramatic.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that it healed is what's important. See, I'm
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  Speaker 4: still staring at this subtitle of fear of reputation. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there's all kinds of things you can have fears about.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, I get it that life is full of repetitions.
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  Speaker 4: It's like having tripophobia, like a fear of seeing lots
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  Speaker 4: of tiny holes in a thing, like like like a
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  Speaker 4: pomegranate or a crumpet. People have fears of buttons and
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that, and and so I can sort of
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  Speaker 4: understand how you can have a fear of repetition. But
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  Speaker 4: this is what so many theologies across the world have
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  Speaker 4: tried to heal in people, this fear of repetition, that
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  Speaker 4: that you that you're just going to get stuck in
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  Speaker 4: a loop. And there's nothing worse than getting stuck in
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  Speaker 4: a loop. But everything is loops. Every part of your body,
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  Speaker 4: and your body is made of loops. If only undead
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  Speaker 4: Will was here for me to talk about the loops
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  Speaker 4: like this, like all life is loops. It's just like
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  Speaker 4: all computers are loops, and all relationships between humans and
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  Speaker 4: computers are loops. It's literally literally everything is repetition. It's
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  Speaker 4: just a case of how tight can the repetition in
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  Speaker 4: your conscious understanding be before you get too stressed, and
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  Speaker 4: how loose can the repetition that the repetition be in
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  Speaker 4: your conscious sense of continuity before it feels too boring.
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  Speaker 4: And that's really all this. Everyone has a fear of repetition.
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  Speaker 4: It's like everyone has a fear of being buried alive. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: that would be awful, but yeah, you know you don't need,
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  Speaker 4: you know, need to let it ruin your life because
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  Speaker 4: you're unlikely to be affected by being buried alive, and
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  Speaker 4: you're unlikely to be affected by repetition of any particular
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  Speaker 4: frequency unless you, you know, push against it in the
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  Speaker 4: direction of the other extremity of revolutions permitted or something.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? What I mean?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Ah yeah, kind of sort of like time is often
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: perceived as a spiral in the way that people talk
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: about it, where history doesn't repeat itself, it comes back
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to a point where it mirrors itself. There are parallels
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: throughout history, and your life is like that as well.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And if you think of it this way, there's you
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: have a birthday every year, but it's not the same
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: birthday that it was last year. And you have a
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Christmas every year, but it's not the same Christmas that
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it was last year. You have every holidays like that.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Every week you have a Monday, but it's not the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: same Monday as it was last Monday. And there are
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: different ways you can spiral in your life too. You
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: can spiral out, you can spiral up, you can spiral down,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: And it's it's better if you spiral up than it
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: is if you're spiraling down, if you're ever improving as
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: you go. But I think most of us are. Our
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: spiral probably looks like a slinky gone haywire, and sometimes
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: it's up, sometimes it's down, and sometimes it goes ballistic.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: But in any case, it is something. It fits in
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: this and that this woman, if you look at what
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: she says here. The old way for you to be
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: able to spiral up instead of spiraling down, spiraling out,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: or spiraling out of control is to learn from your experiences.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: So maybe when you're in high school, the crazy chick,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the manic pixie dream girl. Well, it seems really hot, right,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and she's a lot of fun, and so you date her,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and you realize very quickly what a bad mistake that
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: is when she has no stability and she's not trustworthy,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and she gets bored with you and treats you like
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a disposable thing, and you know, throws you out in
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the rain like the cat in breakfast at Tiffany's, you know,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And and then then you find out that she has
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: a boyfriend and she was just playing around with you anyway.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: So you don't you learn from that that you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you should be a little bit leery of anybody that
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: seems like the manic pixie dream girl. Yeah, And Similarly,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: you're if you're female, you date the rebel without a clue,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and it turns out that he's not just moody toward
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: his parents, and he's he's really actually unfocused, and you
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: know he's he's really actually irresponsible, and that's not as
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: much fun when you're the one cleaning up the messes.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And so maybe the bad boy, maybe the rebel isn't
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: your type as much as you thought he was. And
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you learn and you as you spiral up, the next
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: time that you make a relationship, it's with somebody that
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the qualities that you have identified as red flags.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And each time that you make a new relationship with somebody,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you have learned red flags to watch out for, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you have learned characteristics that you like that you want
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to find in somebody that doesn't have those red flags,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and you can. And so you're spiraling up, right. But
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people spiral down and spiral
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: out of control with relationships, and I think a big
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: part of it is that they cannot take responsibility for
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: their stupid choices, even if all of the bad in
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the relationship was the other person. It means that you
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: chose poorly when you chose to be with that person.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: And I've chosen poorly a couple of times, and then
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I've chosen not so poorly, but still not quite right
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of times. Those breakups always hurt worse. Right,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: it's much harder to leave somebody that you're not mad
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: at and and that you don't think is a problem
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: for you than it is to leave somebody that maybe
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: you're a little afraid of, or maybe you're mad at
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: or or whatever. But this individual here, you know, she
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: talks about her scars, and and she talks about fearing
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that she's gonna make the mistakes again, right, making the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: same mistakes again, fear of repetition. Well, you have fear
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of repetition if you don't do the self examination that
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: it takes. Gosh, I should have realized, you know, this
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: guy that just casually lies to everybody else might also
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: lie to me. And you know, Gosh, I should have
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: realized that this this chick who acts like nothing is important,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: might not treat me like I'm important to her. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and that's it's a difficult thing to do, you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: saying I made a mistake, I screwed up I should
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: have I should have looked a little harder, and you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I should have either been ready for this or not
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: attached myself to this because this wasn't right for me.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: And maybe there is somebody out there that's the perfect
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: fit for the bad boy or the manic pixie dream girl,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: but you have to learn whether you know you're that
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: person or not, and most people, for most people, you're
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: gonna find out you're not. And then you have to
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: learn what went wrong, what you did wrong, and how
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to make the next relationship without making the same mistakes.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: So this fear of repetition, that's her admitting, I'm just
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: gonna make make the mistakes, same mistakes over and over
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: again until you know something works out by chance. So
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: of course she's afraid to get married because she's not
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: going to be careful to find a partner that is
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: right for her, that she can be right for, and
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that she can make a real relationship with that she
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: can commit to. She says, entering into a marriage requires
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: unwavering trust and open heart and the ability to lean
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: on and trust another person. So she's mentioned trust twice,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and it's unwavering trust isn't right unwavering trust in the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: character of your partner. Yes, but you have to also
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: be able to understand your partner's weaknesses. And it's your job,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: as a partner to somebody with weaknesses to be there
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: when your partner needs to lean on you. You're not
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: just leaning on your partner. She didn't get that part.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: She wants to have unwavering trust for him, and she
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: wants to lean on him, but she can't. She's not
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: ready to handle it if he has to lean on her.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: That's very telling, And this is something that I think
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of women have an issue with. What if
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: he's shoveling snow in the winter and he hurts his
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: back and he can't go to work for like two
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: weeks and that's an entire paycheck. Now he doesn't have
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: that paycheck, and you have to budget on what you're earning,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: or you have to really bite the bullet. If you're
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: a stay at home mom, right, maybe you have to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: borrow from your parents or his parents, or maybe you
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: have to lean on your savings. And what if that happens, right,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: are you good to go? Are you Are you ready
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: to have him lean on you a little bit? Are
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: you ready to wait on him hand and foot. If
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: he can't get out of bed for that first week
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: because his back is so racked that he can't he
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: can't do anything, like he can't get to the bathroom
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: by himself. What if this is? I I tell you
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: how my grandparents met. My grandfather worked for Chicago Bridge
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and Steel. He was a welder and he was working
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: on a project where part of what was going on
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: involved moving a cylindrical piece of cement the size of
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: a drainage ditchliner, right, and they dropped it on him.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: We're talking, my god, Yeah, we're talking a piece of
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: cement that was like five or six feet long and
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the diameter of the ring, you know, the edge of
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it was a couple four feet something like that, and
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: it broke his leg in several places, crushed a couple
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: of spots. He ended up in traction in the hospital,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: and he was in traction for quite some time in
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the hospital. My grandmother was the nurse that was working
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: on his floor on the day shift, and that's how
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: they met. Oh wow, like she didn't you know? She
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: took excellent care of him. My grandmother was an amazing woman.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Big shoes to fill. I can't even begin to tell you,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: but she took care of him their whole life. He
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: had all kinds of health problems after that because of that,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: even though you know, he prided himself on being tough
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and strong, and he was very tough and strong, but
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: after that injury, you know, he had. Your body doesn't
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: like having stuff like that happened to you, So every
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: system in your body turns around and says, oh, you're
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: gonna do this to me, fine, fuck you. So he had,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you know, blood pressure issues, he had gastric issues, He
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: had difficulty walking. That leg pained him his whole life.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: He walked with a limb when he was an older man,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: but he walked until he was ninety four, and he
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: passed away when he was ninety five. And Grandma always
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: took excellent care of him. He was always in really
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: good health, and none of the serious health problems that
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you see baby boomers and gen xers getting in middle
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: age happened in their household. And so she already was
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: prepared if something happened to him, if he went through
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: some other trauma and he became disabled, or he was
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: laid up for a long time, she was ready. She
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: knew what to do. She had him covered, you know.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And I saw both of my parents see each other
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: through those not that bad of an injury, but those
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: types of injuries. I saw my aunt stayed with my
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: uncle and took care of him through a catastrophic injury
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: just as bad as Grandpa's, but with his arm. His
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: hand got caught in her rubber press and it crushed
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: it all the way up to the elbow, down to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: a half inch thick, and then they had to roll
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: it back out. It was just a horrific injury. It
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: destroyed his bone and his bones in his arm, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: they replaced them with metal, and that was a disaster.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: They should have just amputated, but they had this really
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: neat experimental surgery they wanted to do. So she saw
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: him through the injury, She saw him through the recovery.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: She saw him through another injury, that was that the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: metal bent in the middle between his elbow and his wrist,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: and so there was there was another whole serious injury there,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: and and then she saw him through his body rebelling.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Because of that, he became a diabetic. He lost bones
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: in his feet and had them replaced with ceramic. She
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: saw him through parroonitis. He ended up with a severe case,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: bad enough that he lost his stomach and had got
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: paying for the rest of his life and had a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: really small meals for the rest of his life, like
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: smaller than what bariatric surgery patients go through. And she
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: saw him through addiction over and over and over again,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: addiction recovery, addiction recovery, and they live their whole lives
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like that. You know, today women don't think about they
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: don't think twice about you know, well, if you get
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: laid off, I'm gonna leave, right, But I come from
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: women who stay. And you have to be prepared to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: be the person being leaned on and not just the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: person leaning So of course she's not ready to get married.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Why would she be ready to get married if she
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: can't even imagine? Uh that that? You know, trust has
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: to be tempered with realism and and preparation, you know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the preparedness to be what your partner needs, just as
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: much as you expect him to be what you need.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: So I dried up the room, didn't I.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: No, I'm I think we're I think we're all still here,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: but like.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: That, we're still on number six. Yeah, yeah, come we
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: seven it, Yeah.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: We can six seven we're not even go there we
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: go six seven oh ship, So she says, for someone
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: who who's been hurt before, like me, the fear of
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: his everybody's been hurt before, lady, The fear of history
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: repeating itself can be a real deterrent. The thought of
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: going through the emotional turbulence of a potential heartbreaker deception,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: especially under the legal binds of marriage, is downright scary.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: That's reason number six. Past baggage and the fear of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: repetition blah blah blah. So number seven, she's afraid right
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: of her past baggage coming back to haunt her, her
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: getting hurt. She's afraid of having to be the person
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: who's trusted and not just be the person who trusts.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: But she's also wanting flexibility and spontaneity. She doesn't want
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: to be flexible for him, but he'd better be flexible
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and spontaneous for her. She is the man Pixie dream girl.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: I can't he be four different people now, like, like immediately.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Now, six different six different people?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Was that three sixes?
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, six seconds ago. That's how spontaneous we need you
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: to be be. All of the people forever ago.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: So when we want an emotional tampon, zombie, that's good.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: That will an emotional tampon and a tape recorder all
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: in one.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Don't forget a daddy. Yeah, they gotta have
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: a daddy. If you got daddy issues, then you need
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: you need him to be your daddy. But you're gonna
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: resent him for it the entire time.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: It's kind of cringe.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's more than kind of. It's it's
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: extremely cringe. Uh and an extreme only common and extremely unfortunate.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Some days, I'm glad I'm invisible to women.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: It can be useful, it can be very useful. Let's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: see here. Whoops, I just lost it. Damn it. There
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it is in our uh, there it is in our
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: super Chow chat. We got a chat from Meredith g.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Super Chow gave us five dollars and said, HBr talk
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: three ninety seven, honey for the Badgers, Thanks for the
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: thought provoking conversation.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised those five dollars haven't gone up with inflation.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: It hasn't got what hasn't gone up with inflation?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: The five dollars that mant gives every.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Chat well, sometimes pay texts don't go up with inflation either,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: So there you go. I know. Uh, we actually had
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: to appeal to the president during the first Trump administration
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: for mine to go up. Direct support professionals were there.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Wages stagnated under the Obama administration for quite some time,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and uh, I think we got our first raise under
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Trump and it was more than we'd had the last
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: several raises. So it's sometimes that happens, especially if you, uh,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: if you have a bigger controlling entity that affects your wages,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: like a union or or the fact that it's paid
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: by insurance, and uh then Medicare gets into it and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: The doctors in the UK, adoptors in the UK, I'll
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: go on soon as well because of low pay.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Oh that's who you need to go on strike, go
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: into the er. Well, sorry, we can't help you. There's
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: no doctors here. Where are they? They're outside picketing. Mike,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: were you gonna say something?
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I actually forgot. I was thinking it was really elaborate.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: It was so clever, you guys. Sorry, Mike, doesn't matter,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: it doesn't I would never anyway. Let's move on.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see you have to start writing things down.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: I know. This is why I write things down before
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: I say them, Like.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm rausing you. You usually do. Uh. So
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: she goes on, let's not forget about the thrill seekers,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: the spontaneous spirits, the wonderers who seek to curve their
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: own paths. Maybe she meant carve their own paths and
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: she just can't spell, because I don't know anybody could
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: curve their own path you just turn. For these women,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: the structured institution of marriage can seem like a limitation.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: This is this is an interesting perspective, and I hear
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: this from feminist women all the time. And there is
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: not a damn thing that I ever wanted to do
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: when I was single that was like I want this
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: with all my heart. I want to do this that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do as a married woman. There were things
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I was going to settle for if I didn't find,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you know, a partnership that I could I could forge
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: with with a partner with my my husband and and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: get married. I think if if his ex wife hadn't left,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think I would have found somebody else, and
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: then I would have settled for wandering the country in
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: an RV. That was my second choice, but that wouldn't
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: have been something that I would have preferred, And it's
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: not something that I like. Oh gosh, I wish I
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: could have done that. I like where I am and
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: what I'm doing quite a bit, and so I don't know.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense to me that somebody would
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: think that getting married is the end of their life.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Like she's talking about getting married like you are joining
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: a convent or something. Doesn't it sound like that, Like
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: she's talking about it like you're signing up for something
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: that somebody else has control over your life and you
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: can't make your own decisions anymore.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like she's throwing the funeral for her vagina.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, that is the absolute perfect way
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: to put it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: That's what That's what marriage is for women. They can
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: they can they stay the thing is dying, or they're
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: gonna put it on lockdown.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: That's that's really hilarious. Oh my gosh, throwing a funeral
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: for her vagina.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: These for these women, the structured institutional marriage can seem
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: like a limitation. They treasure flexibility, the ability to move
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: cities on a whim. Oh go ahead.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Oh John, it can't be that good. Yeah, I'm like
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Lam said this eulogy. Yes, there we go, it's an
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: articles eulogy.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Yes that it is that it is moving on a whim.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Like how many times does a person does a mature
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: adult do that in their life? Just like pick up
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: your heels and be like, I'm gonna go there somewhere else.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I don't like it here.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I mean I've done my fair share. I mean I
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: did move from New York to California.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: On iom Well, yeah, see, I haven't. I don't get that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I went to a New Year's Eve party in in
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: California and I just fell in love with it, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: three months later I was there.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: H see, that would be afraid of California though. Anyway,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: there are very many things that scare me, but earthquakes,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Like you can't hide from an earthquake, you can't fight
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: with an earthquake, and you can't run away from it.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: That is true. And you know, I would not to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: do the cliche thing and say it's not that bad.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: You know, everybody's experience is different. Yeah, right, so you
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: know it's it's a subjective thing. And I'll say that
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I've been through earthquakes over there, and the ones I
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: went through were mild, of course, right, But if there
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: was ever a big one like I forget the name
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: of the one that happened over there. But if I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: had to go through that, oh yeah, no, I'd be
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I'd be packing up and getting the fuck out of
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: there quick fast. If I survived, right, let's throw that there.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: See, that would make me move on a whim. But
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: the whim would be holy shit, this place just got scary.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I've every time I've moved, there's been a reason for it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: You know. I moved for a job. I moved to
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: be with somebody. I moved to to uh go back
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: and stay with my parents for a while and pick
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: up the pieces after I made some stupid choices. And
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: then I moved so that my husband's ex wife could
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: not break up his family, him from his daughters, you know,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: and and our son from his sisters. But not ever
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: just because gosh, I don't like where I am and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: I want to go someplace else, you know, I just
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: there's always been It's never been on a whim, you know,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: I've always planned ahead at least for a few months
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: before moving. Like the emergency move, we got to move
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: close to where she's going to be. That one was
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: only a few months, and the uh got to go
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: back home and pick up the pieces. That one was
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: only a few weeks. But most of the time, like
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: it took me three years to decide where I wanted
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: to go to university, and I wasn't even moving there.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I was just going to be staying there during the
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: school year and then coming home for the summers. Right,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So there's a there's a lot of factors to weigh
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: on on where you know that was going to happen.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: But flexibility is not my thing.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: I guess I've only ever had to move because I
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: had to move. Yeah, do people like move if where
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: they don't have to move? Is that thing? I didn't
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: know that was a thing?
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: Wait?
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Really, yes, One thing I have learned over the years
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: of having to move, the less shit you have, the
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: easier moving is. The more shit you have, the more
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: people are not available to help you, right, or the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: more expensive it is to get someone to help you.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Really yeacause like there's there are there are people who
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: will help for pay, right, but not if not if
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the job's too big, and then there are companies that
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: will help for pay, but if the job's really big,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: it gets fucking expensive. So but yeah, switch careers now
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: that I have done well, not exactly but sort of,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: or take off for a solo trip without having to
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: consider another person's plans or needs and switch careers. Switching
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: careers for the hell of it is not something that
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I've really done a lot. What I usually do is
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: take on a second job because it's interesting and I
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: want more money, and a lot of times and I
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: want more money is actually secondary in the choice of job, like, gosh,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I really want to try this out, and the money
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: would be good and I can do this and this
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: and this with it. But there was a period of
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: time where having three jobs was a necessity to take
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: care of my family, and at that point in time,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: I just did whatever was available, because that's what you
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: do when you need money and your kids need food
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and clothes and stuff like that. Well, at least as
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: long as you know you care enough to try to
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: not be on welfare for their whole childhood. But she
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: goes on right for a solo trip without having to
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: consider another person's plans, or needs. And I think that
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: we have hit the actual bullseye in this sentence without
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: having to consider another person. What do you guys think?
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I saw that read ahead a little bit before you,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: and it's just like, well then why right there? She
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: just tells you you are not ready for any kind
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: of relationship if you do not want to consider another
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: person's needs. You selfish, selfish bitch. Yeah, I mean Jesus Christ,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: she just I and I don't understand it, because the
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: thing that you get with, you know, having having the
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: relationship and the marriage or whatever and caring about another
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: person's needs is that you get the same in return.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: She just does not understand reciprocity. I don't. I don't
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: get it. She is, she is furiating, and.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: It is It is really uh, it is really kind
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: of gross. It's actually kind of upsetting because there have
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: been times where I've gone places to do things like
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: going to ic m I and I haven't been able
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: to take my family with me. And the whole time
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: I'm there, you know, my husband's name is Brian, and
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: and the whole time I'm oh, Brian really loved to
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: see this. Oh, Brian would really love to see that
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I really want to. I got to bring Brian with
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: me the next time, I got to find a way
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: and no place. Was that more just just driving me
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: nuts than when we were in Australia, and I was
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: just the whole time, Like every every time we turn around,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: there was something cool that I wish that I could
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: have shared it with my husband, But getting him there
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: would have been more than we could have afforded, and
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: getting me there was was fun to with donations. So
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: it wasn't like we could ask yeah, you know that
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: was that would have been a lot to ask, but
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: it was it was cool to get to have him
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: come to I see m I twenty nineteen when we
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: were in Chicago, and get to see what the movement
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: is like, and you know what I do, and you
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: know what it's like when I'm at one of these
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: things and I meet people and talk to them and everything.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: But it would some someday, you know, we're gonna have
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: to save up so I can go show him all
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: the things I saw in Australia. If the country doesn't
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: destroy itself with social justice first.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: Oh god right, yeah, U k U k S had
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: it down that way as well, because the military skin
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: defunded by racial reefs, but doesn't have enough female soldiers
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: or head of departments.
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, Yeah, without a military, you'll have an easy
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: time defending your country, won't you. Jesus piz Oh.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: And the the UK Parliament are gonna porn outright as
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: well because of all the females.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah there, then they'll have this big hue and cry
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: about you know, all the out of work porn stars
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: like can't feed their uh illegitimate kids.
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: Right, looks that has the most female and peace in
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: the in that party.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I swear nobody is expert at at shooting shooting their
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: nose off despite their face m compared to women. Right,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: nobody but women and nobody else makes the kind of
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: money women makes make for something as it's and I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: can call it necessarily lazy, because you have to keep
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: up a certain level of appearance, and you also have
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: to have a certain amount of social battery power to
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: be involved in any type of modeling, much less pornography,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: or any type of any type of acting, much less pornography.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: You have to you're being filmed while you're vulnerable in
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: that situation and everything, right, So it's not like it's lazy,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: but it's definitely not as labor intensive as building roads
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: or even working at a convenience store or uh as
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: a as a healthcare professional, even at the bottom rung,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: in fact, especially at the bottom rung. So there for
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: for some women, it is kind of an easy ride.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Even though I will not say that it's not work
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: because it is, it's still an easy ride in comparison
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: to a lot of other things. And uh, especially given
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: the fact that you know, a lot of viewers will
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: accept a lot of reality if if a woman makes
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: it her stick, her thing, this is what I do.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I don't wear makeup, I don't do this, I don't
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: do that, and they're they're getting rid of it right now.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Women will not be able to do that for money
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: if they live there.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: They get rid of some like sub genres of it,
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: not completely, not.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: All of it, huh, not just something that can But
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: the suption was that that starts.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: And that's how it starts. Yeah, that starts. You guys
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: in America, you've got to get the Online Safety Act
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: as well.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: They're trying, they're trying, and I hope, I hope it
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't work. They're using Oh, it's for the children, right,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: they're using it'll protect the children. It'll protect the children.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing. There is nothing you can do,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: No amount of control over the Internet, no amount of
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: safety protocols that you can demand from the Internet, will
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: make your child safe unsupervised on the Internet. You are
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: completely helpless as a human being to make that happen.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: Your government is helpless to make that happen. The only
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: way if you want your child to be safe from
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: exploitation on the Internet and safe from being exposed to
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: things that he or she shouldn't be exposed to, don't
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: let them get online when they're little, and don't let
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: them use the Internet unsupervised when they're not adults. Right.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: That is the only pathway to online safety for children,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: and the only pathway for online safety for adults is
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to recognize that when you are on the Internet, anybody
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and everybody can see anything and everything you post.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: So, if my family was going to go to Hocking
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Hills State Park for a week, which we haven't done
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: in years, and I wish we could, if we were
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: going to do that, I would not post anything about it.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: There would not be any nobody would know ahead of time.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: There would not be any information out there. Nobody would
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: know that my apartment was going to be uninhabited and unwatched.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: You might get to see pictures from from the vacation
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: after it happens, if if we get to go do
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: something like that, I might post those, but I wouldn't
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: let people know until after the fact, because I don't
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: want people knowing that they can get in on, you know, undetected,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: and take my ship. It might not be anything that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: you could sell for much, but it still means something.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want my windows broken, right, I don't want
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: my door broken down, So I don't you don't find
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I bet none of you know what my kids look like.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: None of you probably have seen any pictures of them
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: as kids or as adults. You might have. You might
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: have seen Raven.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I might. I met I see am I.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah you may. Raven and Icy am I And And
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: he was in one once he was a teenager. He
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: asked to get involved with some of the stuff I
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: was doing. He's in one of my videos and he
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: read some lines for one of my openers. But I
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: really didn't let him do very much until, you know,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: he turned eighteen, because I really didn't want his face
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: out there. I didn't want people to know who he
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: was or what he was doing because he was a
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: kid and kids should be protected. That is online safety.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: And as an adult, you should be able to protect
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: your own privacy. You know, if you don't care about
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: your privacy, that's okay, that's your business, right. But every
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: time that you don't care about your privacy, you know
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: you're taking a risk. If my medical insurance company gets
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: the right to cancel me for having pre existing conditions
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: and such, for instance, and they regularly listened to this
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: show on dead Meat, right, but you can't. There's no
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: law you can pass to make people safe on the internet.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: It's not like streets. I don't I don't understand why
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: people think that. Well, I say, people women think that
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: you can regulate the Internet into some some degree of safety,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and they're going to well, they're going to usher in
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: laws that will actually make it more dangerous to be online.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Get you, get you surveilled more, gets you treated as
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: a criminal preemptively when you haven't done anything.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: There's already instances of people being excluded from things because
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: of their political views, people being visited by police, even
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: in countries where they're allowed to say whatever they want.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Even in the United States, there have been people who
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: have been visited by law enforcement for saying things that
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: are non violent and non threatening but politically oppose the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: administration that was in place at the time. There's no
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: such thing as online safety, right, There's only self defense,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: just like there's no set of laws that can make
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: you safe on the road. I know people are going
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: to be like, oh, no speed limits and stop signs
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: and stop play. That's you, right, taking cues and cooperating
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: with a language that is spoken on the road. The
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: road language is it's this other person's turn. You wait
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: when the light's red, and it's your turn when the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: light's green. And as long as people choose to adhere
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: to those laws, things go the way they should. As
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: long as people choose to adhere to speed limits and
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: everybody does it, and people choose to drive safely based
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: on the weather conditions, and everybody does it, there are
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: no serious accidents between vehicles, right. But the minute that
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: you have somebody who chooses to behave like a dipshit
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: on the road and speaking to you beaver Creek, that
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: leads to all kinds of shit. Happening, and it sucks.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: People die. It's not safe. You're safer. You're safer in
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: an airplane than you are in a car. You're safer
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: in a metal too, flying through the air at thirty
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: thousand feet. Then you are on a set of wheels
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: moving down the road at thirty five miles an hour
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: in a residential area. So and god forbid you're on
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: a motorcycle, because then you have to be you have
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: to contend with people who think you don't belong on
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: the road, but or a truck, because then you have
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: to deal with people that don't realize how the laws
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: of physics work and how much heavier your vehicle is
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: than theirs, and what will happen if they break check
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: you and you can't stop and you squish them. But yeah,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: there's you can't. Safety nets are not usually real. Every
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: time women push for a safety net like this, and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: it is women. Every time women push for a safety net,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Oh we gotta have this safety net. Think of the children,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: Think of the puppies, think of the little old ladies.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Do it for grandma. Every single time it turns out
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: to be a leash, not a safety net. I think
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: we have enough leashes need to start taking some off.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: But so she goes on marriage in its traditional sense, right,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: This is in its traditional sense, So apparently she's thinking
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: of some other kind of Marriage requires a certain level
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: of stability and predictability, which kind of sounds like adulthood
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: to me. But for you have to be dependable, I
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: have to be dependable. Though I want to be dependable,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I'm never getting married. But for those who thrive on
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: uncertainty and freedom, the very idea of settling down can
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: feel stifling. This is she thinks she's the manic Pixie
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: dream girl. There you have a reason number seven, the unpressed,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: unsuppressed desire for flexibility and spontaneity. With just one more
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: to go, let's dive into our final reason. But before
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: we get that, there are two kinds of manic Pixie
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: dream girls. Right. There is the actual manic Pixie dream girl,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: all right.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: She is.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: A little girl, a child in an adult woman's body.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: She might be a well behaved child and an adult
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: woman's body, right, And she's adorable until you have to
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: depend on her for something. But she is still a child.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: She's not an adult. There is no manic pixie dream woman,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: and The reason is because when you become an adult,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: you have to be reliable. Other people have to be
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: able to count on. You're going to do what you
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: said that you were going to do, and you're you're
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: going to be where you said you were going to be,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: where you promised to be, where you agreed to be.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: You're going to pay your rent, right, You're gonna obey
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: the laws against getting into fights, violence and all that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You're not going to go off the
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: rails and just do everything on a whim and pretend
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: that there are no consequences for any of your actions.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: If you can't be that level of an adult, then
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: then you're not ready for a relationship.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: The other kind is not just unreliable, but she's lazy
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: and irrespondsible, a little bit stupid, and she embraces the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: manic pixie dreamgirl trope. Look at me, I'm spontaneous and
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: free and fun. But actually she's just lazy and unaccountable
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: and stupid. Like that's it's kind of it's kind of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: like the guy who is the hero trope and maybe
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: to his own detriment, versus the guy who pretends to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: be the hero trope, but he's actually just wanting to
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: engage in violence, and he finds that to be a
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: handy excuse. This is pretty much the female version of
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: that is the chick that uses the identity to make
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: herself sound unique and special, but really she's just lazy
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: and stupid.
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  Speaker 4: The Manic Pixi dream Girl is kind of what every
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: teenage girl wants. It's something that the cars outside the box.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: And and I don't want to say this is something
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: that women for for any more than than men for.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: For are we all fall for the exotic, that which
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: is not like what we have seen. And you might
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: hear that and take some racial connotations by it, but no,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: there are some things that are far more exotic than
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: anything else. And by exotic, I mean something we're not
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: used to, something to which we are not accustomed. Women
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: are not accustomed to men challenging them. Now, yeah, you
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: may think that it's just perfectly natural for women to
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: love bad boys, and to some degree, I guess maybe
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: it is. But that's like saying men are naturally attracted
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: to what the thing the Pixy dream Girl, the Manic
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: Pixy dream Girl, it's it's the element of chaos, like
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: men and women are both susceptible to being attracted to
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: the element of chaos, be it the bad boy or
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: the manic picture dream girl, and and they're both accustomed
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: to being attracted to just like a normal human's just
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: a normal human with with with whom they can live
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: their normal human lives. And we make this so complicated,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, it's why aren't
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: normal humans attracted to normal humans? And as far as
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 4: I can tell, normal men are attracted to normal women,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: but normal women are not attracted to normal men. Not
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: normal women are attracted to these fucking cartoon characters that
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: they see in the movies, like even more so, even
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: more so, I know, there's this whole meme that men's
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: brains have been destroyed by pawn while women's brains have
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: been destroyed by Disney. Well, okay, but even nowadays it
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: takes a while before boys even see porn, right, But
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: women see Disney like as soon as they can fucking
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: see things, and boys see Disney as soon as they
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: can fucking see things. And so this whole whole idea
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: that boys' brains have been fucked up by pornography and
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: girl's brains have been fucked up by Disney, all right,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: interesting idea counterpoint. Boys don't see porn until like a
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: long time into their Internet career, whereas everyone sees Disney. Right,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: the thing that you're claiming destroys boys' brains, they don't
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: see until long into their adolescence. Whereas the thing you're
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: claiming destroys girls' brains is is right there. It's in
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: the Disney movies, it's in the fucking television, it's in
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: the universities, it's in the schools, it's in the I
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: completely forgot what the fuck we were talking about.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Stereotypes and uh yeah again, toxic stereotypes.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Well, whatever that'll do.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Well, you're you're right though, and it's kids get exposed to.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Let me let me put it this way with with Disney,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: all right, if you took Beauty and the Beast, Disney's
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: version of Beauty and the Beast, and you took Gaston
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: that everybody thinks of as the jerk that you know,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: she's she can't stand him because he's so self involved
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. But if you made him the beast,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: the personality that you would be inflicting the Beast curse
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: on it's not as bad as that of the guy
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: who it was inflat in the eyes of the writer, right,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Gaston was just an egotistical asshole about what a good
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: guy he was to do the hunting for the community
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: and make sure people were safe and take care of
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: the woodcutting and blah blah blah, all the things that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: had showed him doing in the movie. That essentially his
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: role in the community was one of protector and provider,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: whereas the Beast was this rich asshole who had a
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: party that was frivolous and stupid, and in the midst
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: of a terrible snowstorm, a vulnerable elderly person came to
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: his door. A little old lady came to his door,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: begging to just come in and get warm and maybe
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: have something to eat, and he turned her out into
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: the snow. It's like he had he wouldn't have lost anything.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: He had so much of everything that it would not
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: have been any hardship at all for him to just
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: have his servants, you know, give her something to eat
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: and let her get warm in the kitchen before going
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: on her way when she was ready. But he just
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: couldn't stomach having her there and so you know, he
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: was a terrible person by the writer's standards. Now, granted,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: if you're a property owner, you have every right to
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: decide who can and can't be there, But if you
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: are a moral and ethical person, you also have compassion
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: for your fellow human being. And if it doesn't do
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: you any harm to help someone, it should feel good
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: to help help them, and you know it should be
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: something that it should feel bad to not help them.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: And so in my eyes, he was at least as
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: bad as mister Egotistical, you know, the guy whose self
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: image was even bigger than he was. Right, So you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: put those two together and you get the men that
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: are the protagonists and the love interests in the Twilight
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: series that all of the millennial chicks were just screaming
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: themselves into oblivion over. And if you put the worst
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: aspects of the two of them together with the beast,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: you get the protagonists in fifty Shades of Gray, and
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: that that's the guy that I guess all the millennials
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: and even some gen xers were creaming themselves over.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: And that was just Twilight fanfic.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Yep, that was a Twilight fanfic. I remember reading that.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: It wasn't until the Twilight movies the think of popular
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: because all the least less popular girls call like Twilight,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: and I got bullied for it because of the books.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: I wasn't until the movies it became popular.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, it's definitely definitely a female quality too.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, go for the guy that seems to
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: have all the worst characteristics.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: That the host was enough for one. Also by the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: statement that worked the Twilight books the same premise.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that that makes sense. That makes sense when you
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: look at it. Probably a lot. There's probably a whole
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: genre of romance novels or whatever they're calling them now,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: smut books where it's the Taming of the Beast, right
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: that he becomes a better person because he wants to
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: be close to her, and I mean.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: The girl can control him through proxy silence.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Even there's even been movies that I've liked
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: that when you know, when I realized later, you know what,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: this is just Beauty and the Beast, but with a
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: different setting and a different, different, different details plugged in
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: for the story. As good as it gets is Beauty
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: and the Beast, It's not quite the same beauty in
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: the beast right, he's he doesn't have all of all
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: of his household members turned into utensils and shit, And
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: he's not he's not turned into an actual animal, but
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: he's mentally ill and he's a curmudgeon and like actually
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: women would think of him as an asshole, although some
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: of the stuff that he says is spot on, like
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: the statement when she asks the one lady asked him
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: how he writes women so well, and he says, I
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: think of a man, and then I take away reason
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: and accountability. Most of the women I know, most of
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: the women I talk to that that's at least to
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: some degree, that's true. But then later on in the movie,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: he flubs up initially and then tells her in words
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: that are more flattering to her, that she makes him
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: want to be a better man. And it's it's looked
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: at as a really cool thake when woman inspires a
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: man to want to better himself. Women love that, right.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: How many movies are there where a woman decides she
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: wants to be a better woman because she doesn't feel
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: like she's good enough for the man that she's with,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: and and it's treated as her saying the right thing
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: instead of her beating herself up. Yeah, so she's taming
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: the beast in that in that movie, she's making him
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: lose a little bit of his arrogance and and experience
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: what she would see his personal growth, and he sees
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: it as personal growth. And it's it's only romantic because
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: they're both stereotypes and he's the stereotype of arrogant asshole
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: and she's this cole mom stereotype. And you know, it's
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: only romantic because he's one dimensional enough to really need
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: and somebody else, somebody like her to make him want
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: to experience personal growth, where I think most men just
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: do anyway. But if the sexes were reversed, people would
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: be like, how dare you portray a woman like that?
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: You make me want to be a more responsible mother?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: Would it be an insult to him or would it
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: be misogynistic because it'd be portrayed that way for sure both? Huh. Yeah,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: I could see that. I could see that. So the
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: next thing is satisfaction with being single. She she's not
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: going to start talking about being self partnered.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Here?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Is she.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: Smart money? Son? Yes?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a truth not so often praised. Many women
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: are entirely happy and content to stay single, they feel
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: complete within themselves and enjoy their own company. M hm,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: and she's she's probably a prominent member of the Natajo
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: tribe toog.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: I, founded in nineteen sixty eight.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not about being against lover or partnership, but
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: about being at peace with oneself without feeling the need
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: to adhere to societal constructs of marital bliss. My bullshit
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: meter is going all the way over to the to
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: the edge of the green.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: I can't it's hard to say exactly when migtau was formed,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: but now that you are are talking about all the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: things that women got from the government so that they
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: could say, I don't need no man. My wealth seems
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: to fall from some kind of sky with some kind
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 4: of government insignia above it.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know when. When was Lindon B.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: Johnson president.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Any of us was born.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: He was, he was was possible for most of it,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: and then Reacon followed to.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: But yeah, we're talking about things that exist beyond any
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: government gates, even any government bills being passed. I mean,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: just like it's hard to say when, just like it's
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: hard to pinpoint when feminism happened. It's difficult to pinpoint
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: when Migtao happened. Yeah, but feminism happened around the same
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: time communism happened. Let's be fucking honest, we don't. We
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 4: can't quite find the centroid, like temporally speaking, as to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: when communism happened or when feminism happened, just like we
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: can't find the centroid of when men's rights happened or
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: when Mike Tao happened. When I just that's that's a
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: whole that's a whole pool of statistics. I want to
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: I want to, I want to grow on this whole situation,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: like a bucket of water being thrown on a comatoast patient, like,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: when did any of this happen? Do we really know?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: It's it's honestly, throughout history, right going back as long
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: as there have been human civilizations, there's always been the hermit.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: The degree that the hermit is so iconic that it's
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: one of the characters on the tarot card deck, right,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: the hermit, and it doesn't what it represents isn't necessarily bad,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: but the hermit. The difference between the hermit and what
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: this woman is describing the hermit, the migtile, the grass
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: eating man, whatever you want to call, the man who
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: is self sufficient and lives on his own and doesn't
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: rely on relationships with women to build his happiness. They've
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: usually been pretty rare in society, and they're usually they've
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: generally been male. There haven't been very many women who
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: are like that unless they, you know, they're widows and
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: they just don't want to marry again. But this woman
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: is talking about living in a world where she can
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: rely on all kinds of things that men have already
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: done for her, and she can sleep around like a
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: three dollars host she wants to, and so she doesn't
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: need to make a relationship with anybody because she doesn't
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: need a provider. She doesn't need to protect her, and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: she doesn't need a companion, and she doesn't have to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: be loyal to anyone as long as she doesn't need
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: loyalty from anyone. And that's I think that's kind of
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: a pathetic existence, you know, And it's not that it's
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: pathetic to throw off a lot of what society is doing.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Like if she decided that she was going to live
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: on her under her own power, at least as much
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: as a modern man does, and she decided, you know,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: that she was going to not participate in the system
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: anymore than a modern man benefits from it. Then and
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: and she was somehow you'd have to be able to
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: enforce it. If you get a job, if you're a
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: woman and you have an employer that pays you to
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: do a job, you are benefiting from essentially affirmative action
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: for women. You are benefiting from a number of things
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: that exists specifically for women at men's expense. But if
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: she was able to enforce I'm not going to do
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: any of that, and I'm just gonna go my own way.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: That would not be a pathetic existence. But what she's
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: describing here is pretending to have fulfillment when everything that
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: she's written up to this point, all of numbers one
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: through seven, right, fear of losing independence. That's insecurity, struggles
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: with commitment. Why insecurity concerns about financial stability because she's
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: not financially stable, because she's undisciplined. And if you are undisciplined,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: you will also be insecure. That's insecurity instability of modern
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: relationships because women are not loyal, they're not secure, and
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: they're not they don't trust themselves. They can't and they
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: don't trust their partner, so they divorce. Right, So we
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: have unreliability. We have insecurity longing for personal growth, which
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: means that you think that it ends when you are
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: in a relationship that's unaccountability means you can't be critical
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: of yourself. If you can be critical of yourself, you
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: can have personal growth till the day you start to die,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: like for real die, not like you're dying your whole life,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: but actually your body starts shutting down past baggage and
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: fear of repetition, which is la lack of personal growth
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: and lack of accountability. So we have insecurity, unreliability and
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: unaccountability the desire for flexibility and spontaneity. Here she describes
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: the mantic pixie dream girl. So insecurity, unreliability, unaccountability, so
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: her claim to satisfaction. If you're insecure, you're not satisfied.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: And if you're unreliable and you're unaccountable, you're not equal
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: to a MiG tao. So that's why I think of
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: what she's describing as a pathetic existence. So she goes
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: on a fulfilling career, supportive friends, close knit families, and
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: personal pursuits all things, by the way that women whine
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: about if men want them, just saying they all contribute
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: to her holistic happiness. For these women's singlehood is not
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: the dreaded lonely state that it is often portrayed as. Instead,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: it's an empowering choice that emphasizes their indie visuality and
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: contentment with self love above all. Oh, these are the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: self partnered women. And yeah, this brings us to our final, crucial,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: our crucial, final reason preenciple, satisfaction with being single. H bullshit.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: No, self love is not a thing, I don't. I mean,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: it depends what religion you're approaching it from, and I
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: guess most of them have some kind of idea of
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: what self love is. But when you dig deep into
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: any of them, or if you dig deep into any
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: spiritual or logical like approach to this, love means the
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: affection you have for other people. It means the appreciation
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 4: you have other people. Like if you were the only
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: thing in the universe, if it was just you floating
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: in an infinite nothing forever, there would be no such
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: thing as love. There would just be you and yourself.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: You'd just be you, just implode into yourself with logic
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: and reason and stuff like that. The crazy thing about
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: this universe is that it doesn't allow for that. It
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: only allows for multiple points of inspection, points of perspective.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 4: It has multiple organisms is something that biologists would call
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 4: them multiple points of infusion infusion of conscience. Things that
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: think they are the center of the universe and that
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 4: there's a bunch of them all over the place. But
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: the reason they work so well together is because that
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: they figured out that there are different kinds of them,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: Like like even going all the way back to to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 4: like bacteria, there were some bacteria that could photosynthesize and
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: there was some bacteria that could not, and so they
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: ate the ones that photosynthesize. It like it goes even
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: before we had we had sexual organisms, even asexual organisms
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: like understood that there were like two different things like
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: and you'd think that these four billion years after after
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: even bacteria sort of went, hey, what if we got
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: together and made a binary system of like two different
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  Speaker 4: kinds of organism that would no imagine how much more
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  Speaker 4: diversity built from that. People are like, yeah, that's good. Yeah, yeah, diversity,
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  Speaker 4: that's good. And they and they continue continued with that
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: idea until they said, hey, is there any end in
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 4: sight to this diversity thing?
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  Speaker 1: Apparently not?
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  Speaker 4: Apparently not to this uh, to this push old resources
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  Speaker 4: from one sex to the other sex. Is there any
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: end in sight for that? What if we just did
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  Speaker 4: that forever and and that's all we ever did, Like
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: once upon a time, all bacteria was just one sex
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: and they and they just fucked themselves into self replication forever.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: But now we have two different kinds of you carry it.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: It's not quite back to it's you carry it now.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 4: So now what if we just have those two things
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: and all the energy just get ciphered out of one
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: into the other, and that's all we have to do,
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  Speaker 4: That's all we ever need to do. That's do we
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  Speaker 4: ever need to grow beyond that? I would say yes,
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  Speaker 4: I would say yes we do. I would say yes,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: there is a layer of complexity above that. But alas,
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  Speaker 4: I live in a world with feminists, and they disagree.
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  Speaker 4: They think everything, really everything should be siphoned from one
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  Speaker 4: of these sexual you carry outs to the other sexual
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: you carry out from the male one to the female one,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: and that's and that's all they will ever do. And
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: sometimes I wonder if it's been a waste of my
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 4: time to argue with people who are less intelligent than
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 4: and then you carry it from four billion years ago.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: But then I go, no, yeah, that sounds about right,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: That sounds about right. Yeah, that's about where I am.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: That's about where I feel like I am. I feel
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: like a clump of cells at the bottom of the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: ocean trying to argue with other clumps of cells at
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: the bottom of the ocean. Why we shouldn't be doing
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: what what what we appear to be doing.
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  Speaker 1: That's about how I feel when I talk to women
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: about reproductive responsibility, right, that you are responsible for your
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: reproductive choices. That that seems to that seems to take
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: us from clumps of cells at the bottom of the
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: ocean to uh, Hannah versus the volcano or the volvolcano.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it gets it gets weird. And the thing is, yeah,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: there's always been a few people that just aren't going
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: to choose to partner with others. There's the whole spectrum
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: from you know, need to have people around all the time,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: and need to have consistent and frequent not acknowledgment, but
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: reinforcement of one's connections with other human beings too barely
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: needs connections with other human beings at all in order
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: to feel fulfilled. Uh and in that particular need like, oh,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: you know, if I see people, uh and get to
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: have conversation with some here and here and there once
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: every couple of months, I'm I feel like I've had
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  Speaker 1: all the human contact I need, you know, Like there's
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: there's that level all the way out to I can't
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  Speaker 1: spend five minutes alone or I feel like it's the
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: end of the world, and uh, which you know, I
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: can't understand either end of that. I like to talk
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: to people, right, But but maybe I'm I'm a little
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: closer to the every couple of months and then the
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: must have every five minutes and and uh So I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: kind of sympathize with with MiG Taw on that basis.
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  Speaker 1: But my my reasoning is because I do enjoy solitude
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: as well, not because I'm so dissatisfied with having to
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: share my interests with another person. Right, having to compromise
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: my my interest enough to have another person in my
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: life and and enjoy having common interests, right, I'm not
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: that doesn't enter into it. And what this woman has
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: described is she doesn't want to commit to marriage because
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want to stop being so selfish and frivolous.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: And I I don't think that that fits. Migtou miketau
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: don't want to be taken advantage of light about kicked around?
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: Uh and then and then disposed of. There's a there's
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: a bit of a difference there. I think people should
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: be able to recognize. But in the meantime that that
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: claim about satisfaction, she has a final reflection. Before we
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: get to our final reflection, we have another superchow. Gary
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Thomas gave us five dollars and said, this article reminds
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: me of the b w E Black Woman Empowerment community
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: on YouTube. I uh, anything that has woman empowerment in it,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: I'm LERI of I don't even care what the modifier is.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to go down that you don't go
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: down that don't go down it?
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Now I might have to that's like down, I'm warning
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: you you shouldn't do this, Okay, Now I gotta try it.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: How scary is it?
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: Uh? And they'll make you hate black people.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know that now. I really have to find out,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: because it's takes a lot to make me hate a
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: group of people. I don't. There's only one person in
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: my life that I've ever actually hated, only for a while.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: FBA is in particular, so like foundational Black Americans.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: That is, foundational Black Americans are the ones who claim
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: to be the true people that made this country, that
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: they were the slaves and descendants of the slaves that
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: built America. So they're special black ones.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I see.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so technically I'm the only thing in the village.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Mm hm ah, Yeah, I see how that is. So
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: being on, now, do they do they when they talk
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: about that, do they talk about specifics like.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they don't. They don't human as black even
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: though I am black.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: H I see, because you're you're not African British.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: I'm Brittish. Yeah. So because they can't they say that,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: they said I can't say the any word.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Uh, that's that's pathetic, Okay that they.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: Said, they said, I can't talk on certain subjects because
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: we're not the same.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: And and why why not? What is their specific logic?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: Because I'm not Black American and I don't know what
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: it's like to grow up in poverty.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: They think party exists in America.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: They don't like Black British BOOKUS. They keep taking all
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: the acting jobs. And when when when the John when
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: the John Davidson's think happened that the Baptists A lot
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: of FBA showed the artists that that day that week,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: because FB is like people with disabilities diesel.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: They they do realize that slavery existed in the UK too, right.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: They don't, they don't they really.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: It was abolished in the UK before it was abolished
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: in the US. But it did exist there.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: And the British paid off the debt to slavery back
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: in twenty fourteen as well, that the British I did nothing.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: There we go. I kind of think the British paid
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: their debt to slavery by abolishing it and and setting
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: the example.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they paid reparations as well.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: So yeahs from day one.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good thing. But yeah, I just and I say abolished.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: I will say they abolished it in obviously hmm, areas
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: that were under their control because and and this is
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: the funniest part, right, we have a lot of people
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: in the US that are are all about black empowerment,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: this and that. But they're also about converting black people
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: to Islam and the most prolific slavery market in the world. Yeah,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: is Arabs.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: It's it's the biggest slave trade as well.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Yep, it's in Islamic Ethno states, so religious and Ethno states.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: It's it's not in uh, white run European Caucasian countries.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: So but because that wouldn't do space years ago.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can, I cannot imagine and I still do.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 3: So they don't really like me focuse on black British
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: and I say some apples as well, So they don't
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: really like that much.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: Well, when people are being irrational and you throw logic
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: and reason into the mix, they don't like you. That's
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: that's part for the course. So don't stop being rational.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: They're they're never gonna like you. Even if you become
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: irrational with them, they'll still find a way to look
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: down on you.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Even though they mostly talk about like dating stuff, and
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: they don't feel the day you seems the same. They
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: don't think that the day you seems the same as
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: in Britain and America, it's pretty much the same. We
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 3: still go through the same stuff. As you guys do.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: The dating's like worldwide now.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: So and for me it doesn't really matter because you know,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: not dating, but it just from listening to people who
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: are in listening to the people who are talking about
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: it and everything, I can see that. But in the meantime,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: we'll finish Gary super Chow so the Black Women Empowerment
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: Community on YouTube. He says, I watched channels like those
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: partially because I'm a masochist, and they all thought. All
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: they talk about is how evil and useless men are
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: and how they could run the world so much better
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: because women, especially black women, are such better leaders. Apparently
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: the world would be just one big campfire party if
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: they ran everything. Yeah, and a campfire would be all
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: we had. You know, women, If women ruled the world,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: many many things would never have happened. Many many things
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: would never have been invented, especially if they subjugated men
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: the way they playing that men subjugated women. If they
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: basically did what they have projected onto men, then men
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: would not have been able to invent any of the
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: things that they have invented. And yeah, you'd be lucky,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: You're right. Mangaka ninety two says, we'd be lucky to
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: have a campfire, so I think.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: So who will sell the campfire? And he'll lie it.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they would be fighting about it. And they also
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: would not be able to have You ever tried to
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: start a fire without matches or a lighter or anything.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: Like that, it's very difficult.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it takes strength and endurance if you're trying
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: to use friction, and it takes finesse if you're trying
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: to use a spark. And women aren't necessarily all that
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: great at either one of those things. So yeah, and yeah,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: man Goka, women would be killing each other to use it. Yeah,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't gather around it. They'd be guarding it from
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: each other. And you know, it's my turn to have
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: the campfire. No, it's my turn to have the campfire.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: And the next thing you know, they'd all be dead,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: all of them.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 4: But what about the use social species like termites and
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: ants and bees where they have a queen, where they
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: are matriarchal societies and all the men buzz around the queen.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 4: And you know, such species have made some leaps and
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: bounds evolutionarily speaking. They they haven't invented many tools, but
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: I think they have some so you know, there's something
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: to be said for you social species, all of which
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: surround around the queen and so well, not when I
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: sound like much of a communist.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: But one that doesn't live in in something that is
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: made out of dirt.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can only play Devil's advocate when I'm doing this.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: But yes, your social species all are essentially not just guynescentric,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: but matriarchal, and they all live in filth. And maybe
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 4: they will inherit the earth the day that the human
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 4: species dies, and I will give them that. But you'll
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: notice I mentioned the human species just now, and that
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: it lives in opposition to these insects species, because the
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: human species is a million it is capable of thinking
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: higher than insects and their termite mounds and there and
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 4: their fucking anti colonies and their bee ives. We've sort
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: of built cities, haven't we, like everywhere, like all over
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 4: the world. It's a bit better, isn't it? And I
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: don't know whatever you want to say about you sociality.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: There's two ways of dealing with it, isn't there There's
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: there's the there's the guy in eccentric way where your
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 4: termites and you build a mound of fucking dirt in
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: the desert. And there's the androcentric way where you build
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: civilizations that could go to fucking Mars. I'm just saying.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: And you grow your own food so you don't have
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: to rely on the world, then.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: You go to fucking Mars.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Ye know. Oh, just wait in the next century. Maybe
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: in the next twenty years they'll start figuring out terraforming
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: in earnest and they'll start doing it. But in any case, yeah,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: it is. It is interesting if if the women that
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: think they should run everything actually ran everything. I you know,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: you name just about any invention throughout history that led
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: to things we rely on today and really couldn't live
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: without today. Men came up with it. Women didn't. Right,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: But let's see then we have ZERANX gave us five
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: dollars and said, I saw a video a while back
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: where the speaker suggested that Disney was for boys because
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: of the love me for me trope. I'm inclined to
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: think there might be truth there, given how we fall
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: for the idea of the woman we develop interests in
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: before we actually know them. When that impression dies, we
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: have to learn to see our interests as what she
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: really is. Yeah, the love me for me trope. There's
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: there's it's a it's a double sided coin too. Right.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: If you have met a person and uh you you
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: like their good characteristics, you have the same kind of values.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: Uh there you you like the way their mind works.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: You feel that they're highly intelligent and uh good conversationalists,
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: and their goals in life are solid, and you're you know,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: you like where the going with that, and you want
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: to be on that journey together and so on. But
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: maybe their looks aren't exactly what you had imagined your
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: partner would look like. You don't necessarily ask them to
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: get plastic surgery or dye their hair or cut it
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: or make it longer, or that kind of thing. You
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: might say, you know, when you do this, I like
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: the way that looks, But you don't want to change
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: everything about the way they look if you're mature, if
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: you're a woman. On the other hand, he wears the
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: wrong clothes, he has the wrong haircut. If he has
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: a beard, he should shave it. If he doesn't have
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: a beard, he should grow one. He needs to pluck
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: his eyebrows, unless, of course, they're slim, in which case
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: he needs to beef them up. He's too short, he's
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: too tall. You hate the dad bod, you hate how
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: skinny he is. Muscles are too big, His muscles are
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: too small.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: Ed.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: He drives the wrong car, and you wouldn't have picked
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: to live in that neighborhood. And maybe you don't like
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: his mother, and maybe you don't like his sister, and
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: you want to get rid of all of his friends
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: because you want his attention only on you. But he
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: pays too much attention to you, and he's way too needy,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: and you wish that he would find a hobby. But
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: if he gets a hobby, that's the wrong hobby and
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't be doing that because only kids do that.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: An adult would have a hobby that has some kind
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: of function to it, right, even though even video games
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: has a function, and in fact, the the the airlines
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: are now recruiting video gamers to become air traffic controllers.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: Therefore it's a skill building thing, but it's still wrong.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: And if he is into a hobby that creates things
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: or does something functional, it just takes too much of
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: his time. It's too noisy, it's too dirty, it's to this,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: it's to that she will find fault no matter what
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: you do. And with that, I think I might have
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: just matched. Oh, I can't think of her name. The
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: Libertarian on the the Five, I think it is or
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: the Great Gutfeld Show on Fox News that had that
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: rant about women and their their appearance. But this is
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: this is pretty much the way it is, right. But
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: women want to be loved for who they are. Women
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: don't want a partner to want them to change. And
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: God forbid he cause he's worried about her health. Right,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: Like when I, uh, when I started complaining about my
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: weight and I wanted to get a membership at a
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: gym and start going and working out and everything, my
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: husband did not pitch and moan, and you know it's
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: going to take time away from you being at home.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: He went with me and we worked out together. That
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: was It was kind of neat. I had my own
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: personal cheerleader. And even though you know, he had an
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: easier time of it than me because he's in better
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: shape than I am. I had a cheerleader the whole
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: time every time we went. But you know a lot
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: of women wouldn't do that with a guy. They would
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: just bitch that he was too fat and and then
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: tell him that he needs to do something about it.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: But they won't change the way they cook, right, they won't.
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: They won't stop by junk food. They won't stop eating
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: it themselves in front of him. And they're certainly not
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 1: going to work out with him. If they do work out,
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: it'll be doing something on their own. And you know,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: and it's kind of sad. You know, I did. I
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: did marry a keeper. Fl tourist. Florida Tourists said, you
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: married a keeper, Hannah. No, he didn't have to go
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: with me, but he did go with me. Uh, who
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: who was that one? It's just jumped up? Come on,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: I think that senior sticks. Yep, if he didn't, but uh,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: it was helpful to me that he did, like it helped,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: It helped me, and I was grateful to him that
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: he did. He was really it was really a kind
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: thing for him to do that, and it made a
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: big difference in my ability to exercise the self discipline
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: I needed to to go and do that. So it
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: was it was definitely, Ah, it was definitely a kindness,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: not a requirement, and it was definitely appreciated. And he
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: is he is just you guys have no idea. I
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: really did marry I really did marry up. You know,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: I married up in a different way than most women
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: think of, right, he didn't have more money than me,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: and I didn't really care about it. He had better
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: character than me, and that he pulled me up and
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: that was really cool. I wish I could show you, guys,
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: from the inside what that was like. I'm a much
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: happier person now because of that too. But in any case,
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: we will get to the last little bit here. She says,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, this is such drivel. She says, human emotions
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: and mannerisms, including the decision to marry or not, are
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: fascinatingly complex, weaving together individual experiences, societal norms, personal beliefs,
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: and much more, which means absolutely nothing when you really
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: think about what she just said, Like, there's no, like
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: she said, a whole lot of nothing there, guys. She said,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: human beings are human said, human beings are individuals and
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: relationships are relationships.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe she just figured that out, maybe that just dawned
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: on her.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: She's like a feminist pokemon just saying buzz concepts instead
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: of you know, like Pokemon run around saying only their names.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Feminists run around saying only how stupid they are. The
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: choice to mary or not is a dichotomy. Instead, it's
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: a spectrum that features a plethora of reasons, like the
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: one we've delved into today, it's still a dichotomy. Yes
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: or no is a dichotomy, dipshit. The reasons might be
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: a spectrum. The reasons for your yes or the reasons
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: for your no might be a spectrum. But yes or
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: no is literally a dichotomy.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: You know, she's reminding me of a different kind of spectrum.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this thing that writers do now. Granted, turns
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: of phrase can be clever. People can cleverly put together
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: sets of words to create a mental image and also
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: tickle the funny bone, or tickle the fancy or touch
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: the heart. You know, all those things are true. But
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: then there's this other thing that happens where a writer
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: feels clever but isn't and so they bloviate or they
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: throw in a bunch of things that don't match and
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: mingle very well but sound clever to them, like turns
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 1: of phrase that sounds sound clever to them, and they
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: can't conceive of improving on the thing that they have
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: created because they like the individual parts of it. But
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: it looks like somebody tried to imitate Picasso and ended
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: up imitating a garbage dump instead by accident. But they
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 1: like each of the individual pieces of garbage, and so
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: they will not edit that, and then they publish it
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: and it looks like this article. I'm just sorry. I
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: hope she never hears this. Oh my god. The choice
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: to marry or mirror or not? Is it a dichotomy?
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: Oh lord, it needs the cadillact. Isn't a car, It's
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: a vehicle. Remember. These reasons don't suggest a disdain for
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: marriage or partnership. Instead, they echo the individual truth of
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: each woman, their dreams. My truth, guys, not your truth.
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: My truth. My truth is different from your truth. But
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: they're still true even if they contradict each other's.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: Fry and mine.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Anytime somebody is telling you their truth, what
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: they are saying is forget about the facts. I'm going
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: to believe what I want to believe, because because a
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: yes or no question isn't a dichotomy, I'm never gonna
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: get over that.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: Their fears, ambitions, their personal narratives. Cadillac is a lifestyle. Yeah,
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: ced your sticks there you go.
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 4: Look, I wanted a blue car, but I got a
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 4: red car that you have committed a violence upon me.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 4: I wanted to if you did this under me.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: I wanted to be FIFA game. I got large gest
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 3: FIFA game instead.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: There we go. Emo Fortina says, I think it's them
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: turning teutology and solypsism h toward themselves, missus Wallan, And
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: that is true, yep, yep. And and then the next comment,
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: and there's the solypsism directly exemplified. That must have been
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: the the my truth thing personal narratives. Now she's gonna
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: quote Susan and be Anthony. Susan b Anthony, Oh, woman's
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: rights activist, Picasso an artist, uh profoundly said yeah, this
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: is that I feel clever. I'm going to garbage you
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: to death. Independence is happiness, and perhaps for some women
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: this independence intertwines with their decision to remain unmarried, but
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: it's a personal journey for every woman, as unique and
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: diverse as they are. In the end, what matters is
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: their happiness, fulfillment and the choices they make to honor
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: themselves above all else. And that right there is the sallapsism. Right,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: that's narcissism, honoring yourself above all else.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: You never heard this from the manisphere, by the way,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: not from any corner of the manisphere. None of us
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: are saying you should value yourself above God, like whether
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 4: or not we believe in God. There's all kinds of
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 4: facets to this fucking thing they called the manisphere, And
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 4: obviously it's all being concentrated into these rich assholes who
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: are just exploiting anyone. And you know, even they are
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: not quite understanding the idea. I just said, what was it? It
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 4: was something about men and God and something about how
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: there is something above yourself as men. Yeah, yeah, that
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 4: was it. Women are being taught that there is nothing
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 4: above themselves as women, that that not not only that
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 4: humanity is the greatest thing ever, but that the female
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 4: aspect of that is the greatest thing ever. And I
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: don't hear that said anywhere in in the manosphere, or
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 4: in the red pillsphere, or even anything going back to
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: fucking Leonardo da Vinci or fucking Isaac Newton. None of
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: that was saying that that men are better than nature
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: or better than God. No, it was always that men
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 4: are these agents put in this world created by God
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: or something and and and it's up to men to
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 4: figure out how to divine their way through these incredibly
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: piny veins of nature, and men have set about doing that,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: whereas only in the last century or so women have
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 4: been presented it with this idea that there is no divinity,
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: and if there is a divinity, it is you. You.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 4: You are the angels. I know, I know the Bible
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: depicted angels as a will within a wheel with infinite eyes,
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: but at a pinch, we'll call them males. But nowadays
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: you'll see the media that all angels are depicted as women,
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 4: and much that way, all religions have been cooked into
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: depicting their angels as women, but they're not.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: They used to be portrayed as men, and so that
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: that was something that changed. But in reality, according to
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: the Bible, in heaven they are neither male nor female,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: so they would be they would look more gender neutral.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 4: But on earth there are men and women, and they
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: have different properties. And to be perfectly honest, I think
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 4: men are closer to God than women are.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you look at the biblically accurate
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: description of how each sex was created, it is the
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: most accurate thing to say, because God created man in
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: his image and then man was lonely, and then God
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: created women, right, so plus, you know, man would look
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: more like God than women would women. Women look different
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: from men, we would look different from God. That would
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: make sense.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 4: Man has us shown some aptitude in commanding nature. Woman
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: has only has only shown aptitude in commanding man.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not very much though. I mean we we make demands,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: but we we command the way a baby commands. We
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: don't command the way a leader commands. So it's it's
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: there's a big difference.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 4: Indeed, women women command humans, Men command humans and animal beyond.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and women command through need and men command
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: through competence, and big difference there, m huge.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: It is then, and the outer shell is not. It's
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 4: not that complicated. It's just got an awful lot moneyed.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: Recently that that thing about honoring themselves above all else.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: The thing about that that sticks in my craw the
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: most is that women women don't always even understand concepts
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: like honor. They when they say stuff like that, they
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: said talk about honor and respect, they're talking about being venerated,
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: and they're talking about being coddled and flattered They're not
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: talking about being recognized for having established and earned a
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: degree of trust in their consistence and in their competence
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: and in in their character. They're not talking about uh
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: being recognized for having done something important, helpful or benevolent,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: beneficial to others, special, or unique or or historically unique.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: Nothing like that, right, They're they're they're just talking about
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: being treated with some sort of undue reverence because they're
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: women and because they have feelings. And when when men
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: talk about that, they usually talk about who they honor
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 1: and who they respect more than they talk about who
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: should honor and respect them, even when they deserve honor
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: and respect. And in fact, the ones that I've met
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: and known personally who deserve the most honor and respect
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: of the people that I know are usually the ones
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 1: who are demonstrating how to honor and respect others, and
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: they usually have lived their lives in some kind of
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: service to others. And there, mister three h three, you
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: have nailed it. Honor is not about you, right, That
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: is why women don't understand it.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm that's crazy.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: No, you can't be a narcissist and understand honor, uh,
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: Senior Stix gave us two dollars. Uh and superchat, and
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: the superchat just jumped off my page. There we go
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: and said, handed did you not hear of Eat Pray Love?
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 1: I will guarantee you I've heard of it, heard of
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: the title a thousand times. I have never watched it.
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you who's in it or what it's about.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't give a flying fuck about it. But I'm
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: assuming it is one of those female fantasy stories.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 3: So it's it's optical.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: Is that that's sad? That's so sad. So she finishes
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: up with whether putting off marriage or walking down the aisle,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: the journey of womanhood continues to evolve and flourish. Now
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: she just earlier in the article acted like, you stop
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 1: evolving and you stop flourishing the minute that you tie
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: the knot like it's a noose around your neck, And that,
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: she says, dear reader, is something worth celebrating.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 4: Does she thinks she can evolve without men? Does she
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 4: think that's how that works? I think that is kind
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 4: of how that works. They think women can evolve without men.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 4: They're like, they're not interested in what the word evolved means,
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 4: or the or the branch of science to which it pertains. No, no, no,
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 4: women are already more evolved than men. Let's let's just
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 4: take that as red, as though that's the thing that's
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: biologically possible. Women are more evolved than men, you.
• 2:16:36
  Speaker 1: Know, not tonight, obviously, But this does make me feel
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: like it is it is. It is about time to
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: revisit the not my fault fairy tale, my fractured feminist
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: fairy tale. It was an opener for HBr talk and
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I should replay the old opener
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 1: or read it to you guys as an article. But
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 1: I think that this discussion has made me think we
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: need to do this next week because oh my god,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: my brain is partly dead now because of this woman's article.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 3: Siquified mostly yes, Eat, pray, love. What's a book as well.
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: That doesn't surprise me? That really really doesn't surprise me.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: Think of sex and the City. But it's just one
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 3: abductious woman traveling.
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: So it's she didn't want to title it. I was
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 1: a little hoe for a minute.
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 3: Not because that will require accountability.
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah uh so she.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 5: Said in the In the book, she divorced the husband
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 5: that went traveling all over the world and fucked everything
• 2:18:18
  Speaker 5: that moved food and any food wash did it.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: So let's see she she was disloyal and then she
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: went off to be narcissistic and engage in galut me
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: and and uh blust.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Even the feminist movie critic hated the movie. And
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 3: he and he's a feminist.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 1: I would hate it. Yeah, I could see that. I
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: would hate the movie. It sounds like a terrible movie.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: Sounds like a terrible book.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 4: All the movies.
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, I want I want to see a movie
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 1: where the main character is a female lead but she's
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: an absolute cluster fuck dipshit and she meets a guy
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: who is better than she is, Like on all accounts,
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 1: he's got better character, he's better established in his adulthood,
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: he has made better choices before meeting her, and he's
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: maybe he's in a low point in his life for
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: other reasons that are beyond his control, like he's had
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 1: some sort of an illness, or he's been a victim
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: of abuse or some shit like that, But in terms
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 1: of his character and his personality, they're impeccable. And she's
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: inspired to become a better person because of him instead
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: of the other way around. Like grows up because of
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 1: him instead of the other way around. I'll bet when
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 1: and would hate it, but it would make a great movie.
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 4: But I would hate you because it's misogynist. Good luck
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 4: pitching that to Hollywood executives without oh, without sucking at
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: least twelve dicks. I mean, for heaven's.
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: Sake, In the movie, the Amy Schumer movie that you're
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: talking about, Jayo Walls, does she admit that she's the asshole,
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 1: that she's a cunt in the movie and has to
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: be a better person.
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 3: Or the movie he's thinking of his train wreck?
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 1: Is she still a train wreck at the end of
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: the movie. Yeah, then it's not the movie that I'm
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: talking about. At the end of the movie. She has
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: to actually be a better person. She has to be
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: able to have admitted that I'm you know, I'm being
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 1: a dipshit and I need to straight now my act.
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: I need to become a nicer person, a better person,
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: makes smarter choices, Appreciate this man and show him that
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: I can be worthy of his attention.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 4: Labyrinth. Sorry, I was sat here trying to think of
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 4: any example of any movie this ever, but a Labyrinth
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 4: wasn't about a woman appreciating a man. It was about
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 4: a teenage girl appreciating a baby boy.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was at least I do love that movie.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 4: It's the closest I can think of a woman.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: That her family values were no more important.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 4: I won't appreciate amount, no no, no way anywhere.
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't think of one either. But yeah, Labyrinth
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: is a good movie because she does start out solipsistic
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: and selfish, and she learns that, you know, she values
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: her family more than she thought. So trade Wreck is
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: probably the closest. Then, according to jail Balls, yes she improved,
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: but still a train wreck. Mm hmm. So she tried. Well,
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: that raises Amy Schumer a little bit. In my opinion, it's.
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 3: Not a man twice, it's a woman twy, So you
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 3: add a little bit low.
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 1: So miil Foresina says, it's not uncommon for that to
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: be an element of the sundii uh archetype. Now let's
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 1: see the Sundii. I don't know, that's not the Is
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: that that's not the obsessive woman? Is it that the
• 2:22:53
  Speaker 1: the love sick woman arctype? Is it? Because that seems
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 1: spirited away is a good example. She's a little girl
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I could see. I could see. Uh, I
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 1: could see that. Now I haven't watched Bridget Bridget Jones's diary.
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  Speaker 1: Does she learn to make more responsible? Yeah? That is
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  Speaker 1: is obsessive? Okay, so soon, Sindari, I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: that one is. Bridget Jones' die. Does she learn to
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  Speaker 1: be more responsible for herself, take more accountability and and
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  Speaker 1: appreciate the man that she learns it from, because that
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  Speaker 1: would be neat. Oh, Sindaria is being a bitch. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I could see that, so but I I don't. I
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  Speaker 1: don't expect to see a gender reverse of uh.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of stories where you have Beauty and
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  Speaker 1: the Beast, uh, you know, and he wants to become
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  Speaker 1: better to be with her, but there's there isn't really
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  Speaker 1: a full equivalent where the woman is has to recognize
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  Speaker 1: in herself what a terrible person she is. Like in
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beast, Beauty has to come to terms
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  Speaker 1: within the In the actual story, Beauty has to come
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  Speaker 1: to terms with the fact that she's been a bit
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: narcissistic treating her community of perfectly good, neighborly people that
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  Speaker 1: cared enough to actually come try to rescue her as
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  Speaker 1: if they were boring and beneath her and you know,
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: provincial and so on, and judging the beast by his
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 1: looks when she first sees him and so on. So
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: both of them were in some ways the beast. But
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know very many modern stories that are like that.
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  Speaker 3: Mind with a face mel Gibson, which one mine of
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 3: had a face with mel Gibson. Does that count without
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 3: a face? What?
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  Speaker 1: What was the first word.
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  Speaker 3: Of man of a face? It came out?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never saw that movie. I didn't know that existed. Okay,
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: what it was? There a woman in that movie who
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: was acknowledged herself as a dip shit and unaccountable dipshit and.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 3: She had to sepas tists.
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  Speaker 1: Like mall him and stuff like that. Ah, that is neat. Yeah,
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: that might be a similar example to Beauty and the Beast,
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 1: And that might be a very similar example. So uh
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 1: So the story of Bridget Jones, according to Murder of Crow,
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: as she goes out with twenty plus year younger man
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 1: in All About the Boy, and.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it celebrated, Oliver, is that in the fourth
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 3: movie she got out of a black guy.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see, I see now what women want. That's
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 1: more about a man kind of learning that women hate him,
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 1: isn't it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, basically.
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 1: In any case, I should I should end it because
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's actually nine thirty, so I will think. Now
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 1: you guys will have to leave some examples in the
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: chat or in the in the comments section. Talk about
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 1: the movies with where the female protagonist has her Oh
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 1: my god, I'm the asshole. Epiphany realizes that she has
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 1: to improve herself because the man that she's hankering after
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 1: is better than her. Some chus imagined, Yeah, yeah, uh
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: dark Kikimora gave us five dollars in a super chow
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 1: and said, you're forgetting the Bearer of Light. Doc. They
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 1: have no problem depicting that angel as male. Yeah, there's
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 1: another angel that always is depicted as male, almost always,
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: and once in a blue moon this one is depicted
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 1: as female, but almost always death is male. But but yeah.
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 3: That was a there was a female there's a female
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 3: gay Priel and maybe Constantine.
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 1: Yep, and there's a female death in there's a there's
• 2:27:59
  Speaker 1: some serial on Amazon that I was watching a while back.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: Not Amazon, it's on might be on Netflix, Lucifer, No,
• 2:28:11
  Speaker 1: it's not Lucifer. It was Lucifer hadn't started yet when
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 1: this was this was on.
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  Speaker 3: I think this could be enough Sandman. But yeah, anyway,
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 3: but that called Castle poocause of Nail Gayman's.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So in any case, I will thank everybody
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 1: for listening, and all of my co hosts for uh
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: all my co hosts for going through the slog with
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 1: me and and all of the ideas, and thanks Brian
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 1: very much for going overtime again with us. Good night all.
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  Speaker 3: Yuh.
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 6: The Man's Right activists are machines, dude, Okay, they are
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 6: literal machines. They are talking point machines. They are impossible
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 6: to deal with, especially if you have like especially if
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 6: you have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 6: On top of that too, holy shit, you're fucked