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Street Farbrengen Episode 129 - The Golden Medina Tefillin Toss · ChabadLife.TV Street Farbrengen

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_04: So Kary, given the current situation in our community, I've come to a new understanding of the Reb Friedrich Rebbe's remarks when he came to America.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_04: That he said America is nicht anders.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_04: America's not different.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I realized something that I was harboring that was totally off the mark.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_04: I took it to mean kind of like within the context of the well-known idea that as Jews came across from Europe, they threw their Twillin over the boat.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you ever heard that, because you're a young and so you probably don't know.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_04: But that but that was a concept that you know that the way they described, they came to America, the Golden Medina.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_04: And therefore, that generation is gone, right?
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: The one that threw their Twillin off.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_04: But I started to think about, and that's the way I understood it.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_04: And it was in context with, you know, my parents, my grandparents.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you know what?
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_04: I realize it's an ins, in my opinion, it's insane to think that's what it means.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_04: Why?
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_04: First of all, let's unpack this statement.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_04: America's not different.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_04: America's not different than what?
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: The Stetel.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: The Stetel.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: The way it was back in Alpha.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_04: The Stetel, where they had pogroms, they had Auschwitz, they had all of these problems.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_04: America's Nichta Anders, they had abject poverty, and America's Nichta Anders, America's not different?
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_04: What are you nuts?
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_04: That's what the Friedrichareba meant.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_04: I can't believe that's what he meant.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, for me, it's not what he meant.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't, I didn't ever think that was what it meant, but so what do you think it means?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: I I thought it really meant just the the avir of a being able to be from, like you were saying.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I said, throwing the filling off the boat.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, no, that's it's not like that now.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: Meaning, that's what it was like when people came to the and I'm saying that's not even what it means.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_04: At least let's put it in context of today.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_04: Go for it.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I go and I send you to that mimer, that famous mimer, Atatitsava of the Rebbe.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_04: The last mimer he gave out, which everyone now sees it as like the Rebbe's Basilagani, right?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_04: So what does he basically say?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_04: He says the Chasidim had Messi's Nefesh because they were fighting the ravages of communism and Stalin and so forth.
• 3:16
  unknown: Okay.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_04: And they had Messiras Nefesh.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_04: How come when they came to America, so to speak, they chilled out?
• 3:24
  unknown: Yeah.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_04: So what does the Mimer say?
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: There's no external uh opponent.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_04: No, but so what is the so he but he explains it and he says because it wasn't really on the level of their Kekospanim, yeah, their inner self, their inner identity.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: The outside was driving it, yeah.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_04: So that means to say that the re and the reb explains the difference in that mimer, he just says a little bit, the difference between Messirus Nefesh in Russia, Messirus Nefesh by is a poor mimer, by Mordechai, and Messrs.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_04: Nefesh of Russia, and the Mrs.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_04: Nefesh that the Reb is referring to today.
• 4:04
  unknown: Yeah.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_04: And what's the difference?
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_04: He compares Messirus Nefesh of Russia like Kafa Har Khigigas, Alehem Kafa Har Kagis.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_04: They put the Abish to put the mountain on top of them like a barrel and said, Do it, or I'll drop it on you.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_04: So that's Russia and all of its afflictions, or I'll drop it on you.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_04: And the Yamuna came out, right?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_04: And then they come here and they say, We don't need the Messiras Nefesh.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_04: We don't have any opponent.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not saying they said it consciously, but that's what the Reb is saying in the Mimur.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what it means, that America's Nishandrish.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_04: That the same level of Messi's Nefesh that was prompted and egged on by the facts on the ground with Stalin, etc., America's Nisht Andresh.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_04: And in a certain way, I came to the conclusion that I too am throwing my tefillin over the boat, even though I put on tefillin every day.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: You said a lot of things just now, Ruven.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um you you're okay, you're you're you're making okay, the let's start with the very last thing that you said that you are like your grandparents throwing the tefillin off.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: How are you equating that to what you had just described?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_04: Because I'm saying that the idea of Kohis Penimim, that you have to have Messius Nefesh in, so to speak, of the style of the Chasidim of Russia, even in America.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_04: What does that mean?
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what does that mean?
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_04: What does that mean?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_04: Because again, America, you can't say America's the same as Stalinist Russia.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_04: That's insane.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_04: So you're gonna say it means that they were frying they threw their twin over the boat.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_04: So does that statement, America's Nisht Andres, is that a statement by this sadh that no more applies?
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_04: No, of course not.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, but but I don't think he was saying.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know if maybe I'm I don't know if I'm understanding what your assumption is.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: You're saying that the reb the Friday Karebba was making a statement that America's Rabbinic.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-oh.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-oh.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't happen very often, but I'm being rabbinic.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, go on.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: The you're saying that the Friday Kareba was saying America is no different is in that they can't.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'm saying today.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: That they that you're the throwing off.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: I'm internalizing it today.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not saying what I don't know what he meant when he said Simple Pshot, what he said was, yeah, don't throw your film over the boat.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_04: We can be from even in America.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: So why are you saying now that you were there not from people in America when he came there?
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't established communities, no.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean, no?
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: What are you talking about?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: The the Chabad community, but there was there was from people in there was it was one from Yeshiva in the in New York that everybody went to.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm saying when the Friday Reba came, he said the first night he was here, he said people came and came up to him and said, Don't think that you're gonna be able to do what you did over there with the haters and the this and the that or whatever it is.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he sat and cried all night.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: This is what the Frida Kareba writes in the in the memoirs.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, so what do you what do you mean?
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: That what do you mean it was there wasn't as there wasn't an established proper from, you know no, you're talking like a Labavatcher.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um there wasn't an infrastructure the way that came afterwards with Chabad.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I know I understand that.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_04: But all I'm saying to you, so take, I'm asking you, take that statement and apply it to us in Chabad, you and I, today.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now, okay, now say what makes it easier?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I am I'm trying to understand both at the same time because you're you're flip-flopping and I'm making it.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying you're going back and forth, and I want to make sure I'm clear about this.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you're saying you're like the Jew who's throwing his tefillin off in the in the water.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_04: Let's go back.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_04: America's Nishtandris.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_04: You can't compare the the social political climate of America so far to where they were escaping from in Russia.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_04: So mitsad, that it can't not, you can't say America's Nishtandris.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_04: So you can say it's Mitsadha people.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_04: Mitsad the people, they threw their Twin over the boat.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_04: And we're talking to them, and we're saying America's Nistandras.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm saying to you, even the ones who put on Tfillin, America's Nishtandris applies to all those Lebavaters and Crown Heights and all over the fruited plain.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_04: Why?
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: This is what I'm missing.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_04: Atititsava Mimer.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Because they're not doing with Kikas Panimi?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_04: You're not doing it from a place.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_04: What is a what look okay?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_04: Let's define.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_04: What is a place of Messius Nefesh according to that mimer?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_04: When you're is that when you're yourself or when you're not yourself?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_00: When you're yourself.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right, you're Etsum.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're Etsim.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're Etsum and Nefesh is coming.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: Is that how you're operating?
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_03: Is that how I'm operating?
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_04: No, that's what I mean.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm throwing the Tfillin over the board.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_04: Over the that's my way of throwing the Tfillin over the board.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're not living with Masiris Nefesh?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: What is Bippenimius?
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_04: The whole mimer is about your Keychas, ha Nefesh, are not involved.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's no different than Admasai in the Keich Nissen Sicha.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_04: You're doing it because of my command.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_04: Rather than it comes from you.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh wow.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think I'm starting to get what you're saying here.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_04: So America's Nisht Anders Yudbez Yudgimal Thomas.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_04: What?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_04: Think about it.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yud base Yudgimal Thomas is the Nikudaha Icris, I think, the main point that we, one of the main points that we get out of the whole entire story, the way the Rebbe explains it, is the Frida Rebbe did not change Anayota.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_04: Now we don't we think, well, that's obvious he's a Rebbe.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_04: I'm talking about he did not give an inch.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_04: He spoke in Yiddish and he's he's not goirs them.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, it wasn't just a political um strategic move.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_04: It comes from his etzum of what a reb is.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: Now we can break it down.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_04: I could break it down.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not gonna say for anyone else.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_04: I could break it down to many different levels.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_04: Let's talk Meshiach, for example.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_04: Since you're a big Mashachist.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_04: So I don't tell anybody.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if anyone believes you, so you can say all you want.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_04: So, anyways, so that's the point.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so uh do I live Mashiach?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_04: I was we were learning the we were learning the Rambam recently, and the Rambam writes Lahalacha.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_04: If you don't think Mashiach is a Basivadham, or you're not waiting for him, like famous statement, then you're koifer b iker vater vaterashem, right?
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_03: Are you waiting for him every day?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: Am I waiting for him every day?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's a nice idea when we talk about it, you know, it's like I'm not waiting for him every day.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_04: I I that's what it means, Planemius.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: So that's the Masiris, the same Messi.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna say to you like this the Massirous Nefesh that the Jews of Russia, this is really what I want to get to.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_04: The Masiris Nefesh of the Jews of Russia at that time, that the Rebbe is referring to, was because they had an outside force prompting their behavior.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, whereas we don't have that same outside force.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: America's Nisht Anders.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_04: We do have that outside force.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: But that's our own apathy, yeah.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_04: Our own belief in the world.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_04: Our own belief, our own belief and feeling that America is the golden Medina.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's the force that we also have to have, Mr.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_04: Snapesh, in regards to.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: And you're saying we're not doing I can only speak for myself.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: You're not doing that.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_04: So therefore it's like throwing the Twilight overboard.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: So therefore, it is different.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's not actually different, but no, what do you mean it's different?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: You were saying does the the the you said before, does the statement still apply?
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: So you're saying it.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: It does apply, and I'm saying it applies to that for me.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: For you, okay.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_04: And what and you know what?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_04: I don't want to disparage anybody, so I won't say any geographical cities.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_04: But you can live in a lot of the cities of America.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_04: Never mind what's going on in Israel, I don't know.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: But you can live in a lot of cities in in America, and these questions are not an issue.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: You put on filling, you eat kosher, and you're doing your job.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_04: You learn your duffyomi, and you're doing your job.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_04: Labavishes don't have that luxury because that's not what a chassid is.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_04: That's Pashat.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_04: So what's being a chassid?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_04: Being a chassid is that internal level that the Rebbe's Mimer is speaking about.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I hear that.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so but but but ultimately the the Rebbe and the Mimer, and I'm I'm just trying to go back to it to make sure it connects with everything, that the point is the reason it makes all sense.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think that anything makes sense that comes out of my mouth?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_04: You're crazy.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_04: Go on.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean I'm just telling you how I feel.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I I understand that.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um but the Rebbe is saying there that beforehand it wasn't Koh's Panimi because it didn't last.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: So No.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_04: The reason why right the reason why it didn't last is because it came from an outside.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_04: What does it mean the difference between Koychus Panimi and Mesurus Nefish that they have?
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know how to say it in a very simple way?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's not me.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't their identity.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_04: So even though and and you're saying now that if you I need Stalin to arrow or to to Nisir my opinion, then I'm not feeling that it's really me.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, obviously, while I'm having Messius Nefesh in a certain sense, I'm feeling it's you know, it's funny because the way that most people define Messiras Nefesh uh by the chasidim in Russia was they threw away their lives, they were willing to give up everything that it was completely not them in the sense.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_04: I understand that that's the way it's taught, that's the way we see it, and that's why we bemoan the fact that we don't have Messius Nefesh today.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what I'm saying is the kidish, America's Nishandarish.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_04: What do you mean America's Nishtandris?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_04: We don't have to have Messieurs Nefesh the way they had it before.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's kind of like when it says in the Yom Young moment, Shir comes, we're going to be wishing for the old days.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so the Chasinim of old, we're missing for we're wishing for the old days.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_04: We're wishing, we're wishing and dreaming that we were all Mendel Futterfases that had Monsieur Snefesh against the government, Vakula Vakula.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_04: And the Rebbe, no, the Friedrich Reb is saying America's Nishthandras.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: And that's the last mimer of the Rebbe.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_04: That he gave out.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, it was said in Memalef, so it wasn't the last mimer he said.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: So it it it Koichis Hapanim means what's my identity?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Survival is not your identity.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: So now you so just to get this straight, even though we've forbrained about this so many times, why shouldn't we?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Koyches Panimi is going to be Messirus Nefesh as your identity versus your losing of your identity.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so does it does anything else, that's a stupid question.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_04: Well, listen.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: Messiras Nefesh obviously comes into certain areas of your life, like um life is not about having my swimming pool and a pina collada.
• 17:21
  unknown: Right?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_04: So that's Monsieur's Nefish, because that's what I'd really rather have.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_04: I get that.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_04: That's on a simple level, Mr.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_04: Snefesh.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_04: But that's not the Mrs.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_04: Nevish of a Khassid.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_04: That's not the Monsieur Nefesh of a Rebbe.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_04: Of our Rebbe and how we're unified with that Rebbe.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_04: And you know where you see it the most?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_04: Let's apply this concept in the following way.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_04: You live the Rebbe lived, believed, taught, whatever else you want to say, that we're living in the Zman of G'ula.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: Are you nuts?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_04: How can you say we're living in the Zman of Ga'ula when the world is so fucked?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_04: Even when you have even when you have leaders of our Chabad world taking I have to go into my drum beat, taking their psychedelics and saying now that they ri they finally realized that God is real.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_04: What the schnitzel?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_04: What do you mean you finally realize God?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_04: What have you been doing till now?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_04: So that's a gallus panimi, but a void sashem.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: Does not mean I don't put on twillin, because on tfilin.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't mean that I don't learn a mimer in the morning because otherwise you're not a chosid.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_04: Certainly not a reb.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_04: But what does it mean?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_04: It means you feel God.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_04: You don't need to take a drug or some kind of other thing to be able to feel God.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're really just you're saying feeling yourself.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: You're feeling who it's coming from who you are.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, one of the things you said last time, uh last for Brian.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry for screaming, it just pisses me off.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, scream, scream, scream.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but one of the things you said was was the fact that the the Rebbe's entire nasius was to push individualism and like bringing out the who you are.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: So the the Messiras Nefesh, you could almost say, I don't know if this is correct at all, but the Messiirus Nefesh is the freedom and obligation that a person now has to be themselves.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: So you know what the proof of that is?
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_04: Look at this irony.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_04: You ready for this irony?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm waiting.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, baby.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_04: You just gotta.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_04: You got me to say what the irony is.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_04: What is the catchphrase of the the public chabad leaders of today's avoid?
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: Trauma.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: It's all about trauma.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: So they may have different words for it, but it's all about trauma.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: Suffering.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: Suffering?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_04: So then we're saying that's what it means, uh America's Nishlandresh.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_04: We're suffering now like they did in Russia.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_04: You ding dong.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_04: They're living through hell.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: You're suffering because your mother didn't give you peas and carrots when you were in your when you're in your high chair?
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_04: Why is it that this is such a ubiquitous idea that we're all suffering from trauma and can't be ourselves?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: That's the shot in the mimer.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_04: So the same way that the Hassilma Russia were had to the Rebbe's saying they miss the idea of Kekis Panimim.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: We're the same way.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_02: America's Nestander.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: What's your identity?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Who the hell are you?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: Are you are you whatever, you know, it's it's each person to his own attachment.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I had come across something in Lakuta de Burham.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: I went back to it.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's been a while for that I was not looking at it and I realized big mistake, big mistake.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_04: And the Frida Kareba says something there that um I I realized, I found astounding, and that meaning to say I didn't realize it the first time.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Such an amazing lush.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_04: He says the Chasidim have the ability to I'm gonna say it in English, to isolate their me dois and to gaze at them with their sechel.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Now what does that mean?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_04: What does that sound like to you?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_04: What's your first reaction?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: That you're intellectually able to look at who you are.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_04: You're intellectually able to look at you.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so wait a second.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: So the language he uses, you're able to misboyde midsov, amid esemidois, you're able to isolate the middois.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_04: We stackle bit to and you can gaze at the at the what he says previously is he says you can you can gaze at the form, the seor, and not the clay, and not the chimer.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_04: So let's unpack that for a second.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: What does it mean uh isolate your meadows from what?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: From well, you just said to me from the other kaies from the story of who you are.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: You just said to me you're going to what did you say?
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_04: How'd you say it means?
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: You're going to evaluate and see what your midais are?
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: See who you are.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_04: See who you are.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_04: So you're able to isolate.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_04: So why is there isolation?
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because it could get mixed up with other things.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_04: What does that mean?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: Stories, limitations, beliefs, things that are not who you are.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_04: But that's not that's isolating your your stories.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's not isolating your middle's.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_04: So then yeah, I don't know.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: And a lot I think that when I first read it, I think a lot of people think that it means, like they think it means Mwaychal Dalaiv, that the mind rules over the heart, that you throw your Midas under the bus and they're irrelevant.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_04: That's not working today for people.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_04: So now it's the opposite.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_04: The opposite is there's a mic drop.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: The opposite is there's going to be ayahuasca.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_04: Abandon all your feelings.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_04: Cut off the people.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna go out like like like one of these sewage pipes that break and go into the lake and pollute everything.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry for the imagery.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: So that's not what it means.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: And the Altareba doesn't say Moyekshalt means you don't have feelings.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_04: Shut off your feelings.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_04: You know, uh, one of the things I heard at a Fabrangan for Gimush Tamaz by by YY was that he says people have been taught that Yiddishkeit and getting illamhabah is based on misery.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_04: The more miserable you are, because you're no good and all this kind of stuff, the more you get to Ganadin.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a it's not a chasidishah, not a chabad way.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_04: So what does it mean?
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna say isolate your middle means like this.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_04: You're having an emotional reaction to something.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: Correct?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and usually your emotional reaction is doesn't take a long thought process.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_04: Something happens, you react to it.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: Isolating your middle means not to confuse what you're looking at with your emotional reaction.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_04: So the isolation is not looking at your midois, but looking at what you're facing.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: Does that fit into the words of the fruit of karabah?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: He's saying isolate your say that again?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: You isolate your midois.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: What did Mida say, and then what does he say?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: You look at the Toich Hadavar, you look at the inhalt.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_04: How do you say the the the what to use the words what he says over there?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: The form, the soul of the matter.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, the soul of the matter is like this.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_04: So what happens with let's let's talk pash it.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_04: A guy's going through a difficult time, let's say financially.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: So he's getting depressed, right?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: Or your case.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_04: You're going through a tough part of your life.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_04: For those who don't know, we don't need to say, and for those who do know, they know.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_04: So you're going through a tough part in your life, and you get a little bit upset, either depressed or whatever other emotion.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_04: So let's talk about, and I have my own thing.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_04: So let's talk about the guy who's going through financial difficulty.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_04: What does he bring into the picture to be more Hasidish and Jewish?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: More learning.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: More.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: More.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_04: What do you mean you don't know?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_04: He's never been in a difficult situation.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: What are you saying?
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: You're saying what do people recommend?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like what do people do?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_04: What does he say to himself?
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: He's he tries to work on his batachen and his He works on his Batachin, that really this is what?
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_04: What's Batachin mean?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is what Hashem wants.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is what Hashem wants.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Everything is for the good, everything is for the good.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_04: All the theology that he has been taught.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: Beautiful.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's where all the practice now comes into uh right, and that's why he's going through this, etc.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_04: etc.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_04: Is that how his Midois feel?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: Why is do his Midois not see that?
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's just a reaction.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: To the circumstance.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_04: To the circumstance.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_04: In a simple part of the placha, down here, tenth Fachim, down on the ground, I don't have money, and they're knocking on my door.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: Is that valid?
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, of course that's valid.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: It's completely valid.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: Well, if you say it's not valid, then you are throwing his midlace.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, I'm saying for sure it's valid, and and you should work on it.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_04: What does that mean?
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_04: I'm saying I shouldn't feel that way.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, you you you sh there's no should.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: You feel that way, so you have to address it.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Should you stay in it?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_04: Should you should I'm gonna say to you what the Afrika Reb is saying here is very revolutionary.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_04: He's saying reframe the situation.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_04: In other words, and it's very subtle, and I'll tell you why I think it's subtle.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: A person is having a difficult time.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: So he brings in all his what I call Hasidic ammunition to fight his emotional reaction to it all.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_04: So what is he trying to do?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_04: He's trying to change his emotions.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_04: But the Friedrich Rebbe doesn't say that.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_04: He Friedrich Rebbe says, isolate your emotions.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_04: Now what isolate them from what?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_04: Isolate them, put them on the side the way you understand the situation.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_04: What happens if I reframe the situation?
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_04: Not reframe my middle.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if you reframe the situation, then the middle's naturally are gonna have a different reaction.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_04: They're gonna have a different reaction.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_04: Bingo.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_04: That's what it means, Maya Shallay.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_04: Reframe your reality.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_04: Now, obviously, you're gonna take in the stuff that it says in Chasidis if you're a chassid.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, that's how you're gonna reframe the reality.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_04: But that's not the shot to reframe my middle.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I gotcha.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: Your middle are totally valid.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: And so we don't throw our Middle under the bus.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_04: We throw our belief system under the bus.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_04: I saw something just recently from the Frida Krabb that blew my mind that along this line.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_04: I was learning it um of a chabrusa with someone that whatever.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: So the Friday Krabbah says in a Maimer Ashwas Maimer in Tafshin, I believe it's Yod.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_04: He gives the idea that in that for Khesed kindness to be complete in the world of tikkun, there has to be gavura in the chesed.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_04: And he gives an example.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: Khesed would be that the teacher gets up in the classroom and is willing to share new stuff with his students.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: And they're sitting there like unbelievable.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: If he shares at his chesed, he's so excited to share with them.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_04: So he tells them everything that he knows about whatever the subject is.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: What's gonna happen?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: That not only are they not gonna get right what he's saying, because it's too much for them, they're gonna be overwhelmed by the inundation of how much information he's giving them.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_04: But the free so it turns out that it's not really khesed.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_04: So he has to have gvora, meaning to say, I have to evaluate what I'm trying to give over to them to fit into the level that they're in.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: And the Frida Krab uses a very interesting language.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_04: He says, this is the wonder of a teacher.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: Why?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_04: The Pella.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_04: Why?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_04: Because on one hand, he's gonna fit what he's gonna say, is gonna fit with the Kaylee, the level that they're on, but he's gonna give them just a little bit more to arouse their curiosity so that they'll discover something new that they never thought of before.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_04: So on one hand, it is fitting with them, so he's not blowing them away, but he's giving them a little bit of a carrot stick, so to speak, to move them forward.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_04: That's the pillow, two opposites.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: That's the one.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_04: So the Rebbe says, so that's the Gvora.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_04: So but the Frilik Rebbe says something that's very fascinating.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_04: I hate that word, but it's better than interesting.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_04: So the Frilikarebbe says, because you know one of my heroes is Spock from Star Trek, so he always says it's fascinating.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_04: So the Frilikarebbe says, What's gonna be the outcome if the teacher gives too much beyond the calim of the student?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Not gonna be received.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: No, but what's the what's the impact?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_04: Besides the fact that he's not gonna get what he's telling him.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, you look at me with curiosity.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_04: Frida Krebba says, from here on in, I'm saying the words here on in, but from here on in, the student is going to be taught is being taught take in things on a general sweeping manner.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Whoa.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_04: Because he's forced not to be able to get the he's overwhelmed by the details.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_04: So he'll just hear how much how often have you learned the Mimer?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the you didn't understand it, but you can remember one little Nakuda that's the club's dick and the kuda of the whole thing.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_04: So he says that's the that's the outcome, that's the destruction, he says, of the students being a student because you gave over only Kula Khasi without Gvura.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't that amazing?
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: Holy moly.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_04: Holy moly.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna say to you that the average person reacts emotionally in this manner of general sweeping tick tock way of seeing things.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: A hundred percent.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: Therefore, guilty as sharp says the Frida Kerba that the avoida of a chossid is to isolate his midois and see the toch and see the content, the soul.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: He says, Surah al-Khaimer, the soul of over the clay, not of your emotions, which is your Freudian psychological whole world of self-analysis, but change your understanding of what you're looking at based on chassidas.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_04: Not to change your meat does.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so let's get let's talk about a practical example.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_04: Practical example is anti-Semitism is up to kazu in America and the rest of the world for that matter.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_04: And if you go on Facebook and look at the conversations, I'm telling you, Sachariah, even though I know you don't go there, you would renew your passport and begin to sell your house.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's how bad it is.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_04: If you go on Facebook.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, and the Rebbe said Mashiach is here.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_04: So on one hand, I'm reacting to this situation with fear and trepidation and screaming about anti-Semites, like Vahulu Vahulu Vahulu.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, isolate those meadows.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_04: Not to change the middois.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_04: The midis are an indication that your viewpoint is flawed.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_04: Not that the meat is a flawed.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, so go the what was your practical example here?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, but you said it before.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: The the irony of the self-obsession uh with trauma and healing and you know all the the the outcomes of that, I think is even a better example.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's that the whole concept of trauma is to reframe it.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm saying that the actual the whole the whole is ascusing trauma is not to reframe, is to wallow in the understanding of the trauma.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is a huge discussion in the in the in that world.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that's that's unbelievable.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's unbelievable.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_04: And look at the Frida Kareba.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: He comes and he says, he comes to America, America's not in Anders.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_04: He had just come from being banished from Russia for doing what he did there, spending time in Spolerna prison, comes to Poland in the end, is got bombs falling on his head, so he has to leave.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_04: And he says America's Nislanders.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_04: A Rebbe lives with Mashiach.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_04: Even though I left Poland and Russia, which screamed out, we're in Egypt, we're in Egypt and Egypt in terms of oppression.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I come to America and it screams out freedom, freedom, freedom, both politically, socially, and religiously.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: Right, which was the prevailing winds at the time.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_04: And the Rebbe says Friedrich Rebbe says, America's nest andrush from what?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna say to you like this isolate your Middle.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_04: There's a whole creation out there, there's a whole kavana behind the creation.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_04: As the Rebbe explains in the particular in the Sikha, you can't hold back G'ula.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_04: You can delay it, but you can't hold it back.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, so connected to the city.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a whole gulas him.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_04: So, how do you look at a world that seems to get you afraid?
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll say it even clearer than that.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe what the Rebbe said is not Naga anymore.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_04: Don't people say that?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Plenty of people say that.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, or they think it.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if they say it, they don't have the guts to say it.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: Some people do.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, some people do.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: What do you have to reframe?
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_04: Your emotional reaction to the world is correct, but your viewpoint of the world is incorrect.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_05: And that's Subshot America's Nishandras.tv and studio for TVC.