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Getting to know the Heritage Party with Leader David Kurten | UK Column Interviews · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm here in UK Column Studio two. I've
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  Speaker 1: virtually just realized I've forgotten my cup of coffee, but
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  Speaker 1: not to worry. The important thing is I'm joined by
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  Speaker 1: David Curtain today from that leader of the Heritage Party.
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  Speaker 1: David's kindly agreed to speak to me about the political
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  Speaker 1: environment that we're in at the moment. Lots of exciting things.
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  Speaker 1: So David, welcome to UK Column.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Brian, it's good to join you again.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing how the time goes past. We'll say to
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  Speaker 1: the audience that the last time we met, we briefly
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  Speaker 1: spoke because there was a lot happening, was at the
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  Speaker 1: Public Child Protection Wales conference in Newport and I think,
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  Speaker 1: if my memory serves me correctly, that was the eighteenth
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  Speaker 1: of April. Fantastic events and that's a good place to
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  Speaker 1: start because we can link into Kimihawood. But how did
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  Speaker 1: you find that Public Child Protection Wales event?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the last time we spoke. It was
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  Speaker 2: an amazing event, fantastic. I mean, it's always good to
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  Speaker 2: go to events where you meet like minded people. And
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  Speaker 2: there's other people who were active in fighting against the agenda,
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  Speaker 2: so there were people from all over the world, from
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  Speaker 2: the USA as well as the UK and New Zealand
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  Speaker 2: and other places who were standing against this agenda to
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  Speaker 2: sexualized children, which is happening in schools particularly, and in
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  Speaker 2: other ways in society and care homes and you know,
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  Speaker 2: just generally in the media as well. So it was
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  Speaker 2: a day with a huge amount of really really valuable
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  Speaker 2: information and a lot of focus on Kinsey actually from
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties, and I could say his work, his perversions,
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  Speaker 2: which have got into mainstream thought, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the sexualization of children that we see going on is
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  Speaker 2: because people of subliminally accepted the paradigms and the ideology
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  Speaker 2: that comes from Alfred Kinsey and other people like him
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  Speaker 2: that have perverted people's thoughts. So it was very good
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  Speaker 2: to go back to the very foundations of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff that is now affecting us here in
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenties, and you know, this our contemporary time period.
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  Speaker 2: So a really really good day all round, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: not just a day for everyone to meet each other,
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  Speaker 2: but a day where we're you know, inspired to go
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  Speaker 2: out and take action as well.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, I found it a tremendous day and the speakers
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  Speaker 1: were tremendous because their story linked in we have what's
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  Speaker 1: happening the sexualization of children in young very young children
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  Speaker 1: in schools in UK. But the speakers by their individual
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  Speaker 1: presentations explained the che where the policy has come from
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  Speaker 1: and how that policy to sexualize very young children is
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  Speaker 1: a global agenda. I found that aspect of the conference
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  Speaker 1: very strong. The other thing which was wonderful, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is there was a special announcement made about Kimisha would
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  Speaker 1: and that was that she had been selected to be
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  Speaker 1: the Heritage Party leader for Wales. I was surprised and
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  Speaker 1: pleasantly surprised. I was delighted really to hear that because
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  Speaker 1: I have huge admiration and respect for the work that
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  Speaker 1: Kim Mishawood has done with the Ladies Public Child Protection Wales,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, well, what a brilliant ambassador for the
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  Speaker 1: Heritage Party. So tell us a little bit about that,
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  Speaker 1: if you will, and also comment on the local elections
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  Speaker 1: that followed, and so set the scene if you will
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  Speaker 1: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that was fantastic because she's been Obviously I've
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  Speaker 2: worked very closely with Kim Miss Sherwood and Public Child
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  Speaker 2: Protection Wales. We started pretty much at the same time
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  Speaker 2: the Heritage Party and what they were doing, and got
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  Speaker 2: to know them and other people who were fighting against
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  Speaker 2: this agenda in schools. And obviously I'd been a teacher
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  Speaker 2: before I got into politics, and then i'd been fighting
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  Speaker 2: this in the London Assembly when I was elected there,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, in writing about it and trying to
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  Speaker 2: raise awareness of what was going on in schools as
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  Speaker 2: it came in in England through the Conservatives, in Wales,
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  Speaker 2: through Labor through in Scotland, through the SNP, all different
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  Speaker 2: parts of the country have introduced this subject, which is
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  Speaker 2: a Relationships and Sex education or comprehensive sexuality education, and
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  Speaker 2: in Wales it's particularly bad because they've said that parents
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  Speaker 2: do not have the right to opt their children out
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  Speaker 2: of the subject, so they have to sit through these
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  Speaker 2: lessons where they're being taught to, you know, things which
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  Speaker 2: you perverse even for adults, you know, things that I'd
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  Speaker 2: never heard of until I was fifty and I see
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  Speaker 2: they're being taught to primary school kids. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've got great admiration for Kim as well and the
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  Speaker 2: work that she does, and of course the whole team
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  Speaker 2: in public child Protection Wales and in this year of course,
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  Speaker 2: is the Senith elections, or that happened on the seventh
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  Speaker 2: of May this year, twenty twenty six, and so it's
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  Speaker 2: the first time that the Heritage Party has stood candidates
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  Speaker 2: for the Welsh Senith, which is the Welsh Parliament, and
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  Speaker 2: we wanted to get a candidate in every single one
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  Speaker 2: of the sixteen constituents so that we could have a
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  Speaker 2: party election broadcast go out on the mainstream media on
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  Speaker 2: BBC and ITV, and so Kim and the team really
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  Speaker 2: got on board and you know, we worked together a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people in PCP Wales as candidates for the
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  Speaker 2: Heritage Party. Kim was you know, thinking about it for
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  Speaker 2: a long time, but then she made the decision a
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  Speaker 2: few months before that she was going to do it,
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  Speaker 2: and she had a lot of support from you know,
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  Speaker 2: people that support her to stand for the Heritage Party,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, as soon as she made the decision,
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  Speaker 2: she was one hundred percent and she you know, really
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  Speaker 2: just through the way things organically flowed, she was you know,
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  Speaker 2: very much became one of the main people who was
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  Speaker 2: you know, doing interviews to represent the Heritage Party in
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  Speaker 2: the Seneth campaign and so I thought, look, we need
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  Speaker 2: someone to have the position of leader in Wales so
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  Speaker 2: that they can, you know, really spearhead representing the Heritage
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  Speaker 2: Party to the media, because this is the box that
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  Speaker 2: media organizations want. They want to know, they want to
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  Speaker 2: have some one who was in that position. They want
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  Speaker 2: to be able to talk to the leader of the party.
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  Speaker 2: So I asked her if she would like to do that,
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  Speaker 2: to be the leader in Wales. He said yes, and
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  Speaker 2: then yeah. She announced it at the conference, which was
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks before the Seneth elections, and just
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  Speaker 2: about a week before the party election, broadcast went out
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  Speaker 2: on the BBC and ITV and S four C and
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  Speaker 2: she was really a key part of that broadcast and
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  Speaker 2: she had a whole minute where she was explaining that
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  Speaker 2: parents' rights had been taken away because the Welsh government
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  Speaker 2: had fought them in the courts to say that parents
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  Speaker 2: didn't have any rights over their children's education, which is
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  Speaker 2: absolutely appalling, and to explain to everyone that there is
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  Speaker 2: really disgusting perverse materials going towards children in schools because
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  Speaker 2: a lot of parents don't believe it. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: see it, you see it, Kim sees it. The people
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  Speaker 2: that we know and watch this. No, it's going on.
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  Speaker 2: But a lot of people just don't believe that politicians
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  Speaker 2: and schools and teachers would do something like this. But
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  Speaker 2: they need to realize that they will do this. They
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  Speaker 2: are doing this. There are some utter wicked perverts in
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  Speaker 2: our society who are doing things that are unimaginable to
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  Speaker 2: normal people. And so all we're doing is trying to
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  Speaker 2: get people to realize. Look, you might not believe this
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  Speaker 2: is happening, but it is. And the great thing about
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  Speaker 2: her being leader is that she could say this and
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  Speaker 2: get people to understand what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, And what a key point. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: this is the big problem, isn't it getting the message across?
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  Speaker 1: Just sticking on whales and what the Heritage Party did
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  Speaker 1: for the Senate elections? Am I right in saying this
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  Speaker 1: is the first time that you were actually able to,
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  Speaker 1: if you like, respond as the bigger parties do in
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  Speaker 1: that You're you'd got your identity out, you'd been able
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  Speaker 1: to give your election broadcast, you had an organized team
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  Speaker 1: on the ground, so that was a very professional front.
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  Speaker 1: How did engagement with the public go? What was it like?
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  Speaker 1: And one of the reasons I'm so interested in this. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's two reasons. One is that, of course, back many
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  Speaker 1: years ago, perhaps too many that I care to recall,
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  Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time active leafleting campaigning for UKIP.
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  Speaker 1: I know what it's like to tramp the streets and
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  Speaker 1: put leaflets through doors speak to people. It's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of work, a huge amount of work, especially for a
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  Speaker 1: small party. So I know the strain of doing that,
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  Speaker 1: and I know how difficult it is to engage people.
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  Speaker 1: Busy people ordinary, That's a comple They're just ordinary people
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  Speaker 1: trying to earn a living, look after their families, go
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  Speaker 1: to work, and then along come somebody who says, actually
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  Speaker 1: I need your attention to look over here at these issues.
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  Speaker 1: That is very difficult. How did that go for the
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  Speaker 1: Heritage Party and particularly with this new environment in Wales.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's the first time that we've stood a full
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  Speaker 2: slate of candidates anywhere, because it's very difficult to do that.
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  Speaker 2: As a challenger party. We're still growing. We need lots
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  Speaker 2: more money. We don't have very much money. We know
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  Speaker 2: we're relatively small in terms of membership compared to the
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  Speaker 2: parties that get a lot of attention on the mainstream media.
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  Speaker 2: But we did qualify to get the party election broadcast,
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  Speaker 2: but they still in the mainstream. It was very frustrating
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  Speaker 2: because they still treated us as a minor party because
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  Speaker 2: they play this trick they say these are the major parties,
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  Speaker 2: one else is a minor party, and we were the
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  Speaker 2: only one that they designated as a minor party that
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  Speaker 2: qualified to get a party election broadcast because we stood
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  Speaker 2: candidates in every single seat, and I think they did
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  Speaker 2: that to try to stop anyone apart from these six
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  Speaker 2: that they designated as major from actually getting any attention
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  Speaker 2: on the mainstream whatsoever. But even though we did qualify,
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  Speaker 2: they still didn't invite us to the leader's debates, to
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  Speaker 2: the party debates and so on that they had in Cardiff,
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  Speaker 2: where they invited all the leaders of the parties in
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  Speaker 2: Wales to well the six that they designated major parties
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  Speaker 2: to go and have debates and discuss politics in Wales
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  Speaker 2: and their election campaigns. We were still excluded from that
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  Speaker 2: by the mainstream So it's very very frustrating, and even
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  Speaker 2: some hustings that they were put on in various constituencies
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  Speaker 2: we weren't invited to, which again was very frustrating. I
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  Speaker 2: mean that there's no legal obligation on these organizations to
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  Speaker 2: do so. You know, they're still allowed to invite who
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  Speaker 2: they want and who they don't want. But I think
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  Speaker 2: it's an affront to democracy and it's really simply as
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  Speaker 2: unfair not to invite everyone who's standing as a candidate,
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  Speaker 2: especially as you you have to pay a lot of
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  Speaker 2: money to stand. I mean it's five hundred pounds per
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  Speaker 2: constituency for the deposits, so this is not a cheap
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  Speaker 2: endeavor for most people. You know, it's you've got to
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  Speaker 2: be you know, the wealthy parties who've got five million
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  Speaker 2: pound donations, it's no problem. But we're just ordinary people.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Most of us are struggling to earn a living.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a big, big sacrifice to try to get
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  Speaker 2: the money together to stand and then to campaign as well,
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  Speaker 2: on top of paying the deposits.
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  Speaker 1: David, I'll come in there if I made. This is
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  Speaker 1: something that I have said from time to time. But
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  Speaker 1: many years ago I stood as a candidate as a
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  Speaker 1: parliamentary candidate eight and very small team went out and
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  Speaker 1: canvassed and leafletted. I'm very grateful for the people that
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  Speaker 1: supported me in that. What did I then discover, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I had a call from BBC Radio Devon who said
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  Speaker 1: they wanted to come and interview me. I was an
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  Speaker 1: independent candidate. I was very pleased to that. I thought
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  Speaker 1: this was going to be quite an opportunity to say something.
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  Speaker 1: And a gentleman arrived in the BBC Radio Devon van
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  Speaker 1: and he got his gear out and asked me if
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  Speaker 1: there was a suitable place to speak to me, and
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  Speaker 1: I said yes, of course, And then I said to
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  Speaker 1: him how long have I got? And he looked at
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  Speaker 1: me and he said six seconds? And I probably smiled
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  Speaker 1: as I am now and I said how long? And
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  Speaker 1: he said six seconds? And six seconds. Well, the only
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  Speaker 1: thing I could say in six seconds was my name
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that I was standing on an anti
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  Speaker 1: corruption platform which had an impact of its own. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's how long. The BBC gave me six seconds. And then,
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  Speaker 1: to reinforce what you've just said, when the hustings came up,
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  Speaker 1: I discovered that I was excluded from hustings. I was
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  Speaker 1: simply excluded. And one which I found particularly offensive was
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  Speaker 1: that there was a hustings held in the Baptist one
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  Speaker 1: of the Baptist churches in Plymouth, and I went along
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  Speaker 1: and I was blocked at the door.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And the only way that I got in was by saying, well, clearly,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't a Christian church where everybody's equal, and so
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  Speaker 1: I was let in, but they did not let me
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  Speaker 1: go on the platform with the other candidates, although I
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  Speaker 1: was allowed to speak from the floor and I did
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  Speaker 1: get a huge amount of support from the people present.
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  Speaker 1: But that was how vicious the censorship was. Dependent candidate,
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  Speaker 1: and you are expressing exactly the same thing, except by
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  Speaker 1: your strategy of setting up a candidate in every available place,
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  Speaker 1: you were able to at least circumvent some of that censorship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, and I'm very glad that we did.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a struggle to get enough people, but
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  Speaker 2: eventually we actually got seventeen candidates where we needed sixteen,
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  Speaker 2: so we got slightly over the number that we needed,
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  Speaker 2: which is fantastic. But yeah, it really is wrong that
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  Speaker 2: the people do this, and then they say that they
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  Speaker 2: agree with free speech, they're all for free speech, but
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  Speaker 2: then they sideline you and they censor you if they
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  Speaker 2: don't like what you're going to say, which really isn't
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  Speaker 2: free speech at all. So these people, they really don't
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  Speaker 2: believe in free speech. And this is a great problem
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  Speaker 2: with some of the people putting on hustings. I'm very
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  Speaker 2: surprised that a church did that because they're supposed to
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  Speaker 2: actually be arrest of them all. And like you think
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  Speaker 2: that the churches would allow someone like you to stand
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  Speaker 2: if you were on an anti corruption platform. You know what,
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  Speaker 2: one of the places that we weren't allowed into actually
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  Speaker 2: was a church. I think it was a Salvation Army
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  Speaker 2: Hustings in Newport, and the candidate wasn't invited, And you
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  Speaker 2: would have thought we would be the first people that
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to invite because we're a party that's a
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  Speaker 2: socially conservative party that is basing our social policies on
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  Speaker 2: Christian principles and where pro life, we're against the sexualization
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  Speaker 2: of children, were against the culture of death with euthanasia
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  Speaker 2: and war and all of these things. You would have
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  Speaker 2: thought that a church would want us to come and
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  Speaker 2: speak rather than the people who are, you know, pushing
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  Speaker 2: war and pushing euthanasia. But that there you go, This
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  Speaker 2: is that the logic doesn't make sense with some of this.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what I would say In addition to
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  Speaker 2: all of this is that you need a ground campaign
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  Speaker 2: as well, and it's we need you know, one thing
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  Speaker 2: that we've learned, you know, I think that we've learned
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  Speaker 2: over the years is that, yeah, you can do the
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  Speaker 2: air campaign if you like. It was great that we
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  Speaker 2: got the party election broadcast actually on the mainstream media channels.
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  Speaker 2: You can go to hustings. We weren't invited to some
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  Speaker 2: of the hustings and Jason Barker did a fantastic job
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  Speaker 2: in roasting the net zero agenda in commandence here. But
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  Speaker 2: we also need the ground campaign as well, So you've
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  Speaker 2: got to have, you know, thousands of man hours to
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  Speaker 2: be able to go round a large constituency like the
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  Speaker 2: Senate constituencies and knock on doors and talk to people
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  Speaker 2: and speak to every individual person you can, because you
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  Speaker 2: need that as well. And you know, we buy elections.
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  Speaker 2: People can do that much more easily than we can,
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  Speaker 2: you know, particularly.
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  Speaker 1: Ok, they're just on that very interesting note. When your
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  Speaker 1: team were going around speaking to people in Wales, what
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  Speaker 1: was the mood of the of the public, What did
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  Speaker 1: they seem to be interested in, what were their biggest
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  Speaker 1: weaknesses in what they didn't know how did you find
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  Speaker 1: people in Wales?
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  Speaker 2: Number One, they hate labor. They've they've totally turned off labor.
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  Speaker 2: Even the people who used to vote for them, who
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  Speaker 2: voted for labor for generations, absolutely are disgusted with them.
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  Speaker 2: Just like a few years ago they'd turned away from
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  Speaker 2: the Tories. I mean, that's not so much an issue
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  Speaker 2: in Wales because Wales was never a sort of hotbed
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  Speaker 2: of support for the Tory Party. But now everyone has
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  Speaker 2: completely gone from labor. They wanted to change, they liked
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  Speaker 2: the Heritage Party, they like what we stand for. But
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  Speaker 2: even though there was a new proportional system, people are
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  Speaker 2: still in this mindset of well, we've got to vote
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  Speaker 2: for these people to keep those people out. Even if
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  Speaker 2: they like us more, they would like some of them
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  Speaker 2: would would say, well, we've got to vote for Reform
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  Speaker 2: to keep Plied out, because some people were switching from
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  Speaker 2: Labor to PLID and others were going, well, we've got
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  Speaker 2: to vote for Plyied Cumrie to keep Reform out. So
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  Speaker 2: that was the major That was one of the major
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  Speaker 2: themes that was coming up with people is that you
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  Speaker 2: know they're vote still voting negatively because they vote for
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  Speaker 2: someone they don't really like to keep someone out that
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  Speaker 2: they really hate, you know, which is I think that's
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  Speaker 2: a real great shame, because I wish we could have
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  Speaker 2: a situation where people voted positively for who they really
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  Speaker 2: want and for the policies and the people they really
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  Speaker 2: want to have in because then we would be able
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  Speaker 2: to get a real change. But you know, you've got
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  Speaker 2: this mindset that still continues even with the new system
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  Speaker 2: that they've got in Wales.
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  Speaker 1: David, just clarifying for me, there were the official sentence
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  Speaker 1: seats up for election, but also local saw seats at
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  Speaker 1: the same time in some areas. Was that correct or not?
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  Speaker 2: There were only a few by elections in the local
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  Speaker 2: council elections in Wales are next year in twenty twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: so it's they're all they're both on a four year cycle. Now.
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  Speaker 2: They say the Senate elections this year, locals next year.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Right, So that meant very much that the Heritage Party,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: if you like, we're going up against the big boys
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: because you were after those important Senates seats. Yes, okay,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: and just ask this a straight question. How did you
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: get on with the with the number of votes and
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: our comment further on that when you've replied.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: We got about seven thousand votes in total in Wales,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: England and Scotland. Because we had candidates in England and
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Scotland as well, we were focused on Wales obviously, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: we got about five and a half thousand votes in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Wales in total, which was about half a percent of
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the total number of votes. So it was disappointing in
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: terms of the number of votes, but I think the
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: support that we have was far greater. It's just the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: people were voting with this mindset that we have to
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: do this otherwise you know, they're going to get in.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Otherwise we would have got a lot more votes and
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: a lot more support because I know there was so
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: much support, especially for Kim and for Jason Barker, because
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: they had a larger profile than the other candidates because
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: you know, they were spokesman and leader in Wales and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: were doing a lot more media things on the mainstream,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: even getting you know, interviewed by ITV and so on.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: So people were very very supportive of our stance against
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: net zero, the destruction of the countryside, the destruction of farmland,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: our drive to protect children from this sexualization, and also
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you know, another theme that we were running on is
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: stopping the mass immigration, the nation of Sanctuary program where
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the Senate deliberately brings people from other parts of the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: UK to settle in Wales and to try and increase
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: immigration to Wales against the wishes of the people. So
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: people like that, but sadly didn't vote for us in
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: large enough numbers to get someone elected.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, now you've made the point. You've made a very
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: good point that people will do this tactical voting, particularly
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: when it's members of the Senate MPs if it's major
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: elections in the country. So the tactical voting happens, and
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you're all stressing the support that you felt on the ground,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and I am very sure that when it comes into
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the local elections, your impact is going to be very
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: much greater. But one of the things that I think
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: people can sometimes lose sight of is that all of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: that work going door to door speaking to people is
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: not actually lost because you're setting you're putting a foundation
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: down for support for the party, and this is this
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: is something that every party has to do, even the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: big ones have to do that on the ground canvassing.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: So my take at at least is that that's that's
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: hard work which has sown seeds and those seeds will
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: grow and assist you. But yeah, for the audience, it
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: is it is amazingly hard work.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Was there a was there.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: A sort of noticeable difference in subjects that people reacted
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to In just replying to me, you've you've crossed a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: number of a very different subjects because we've got the
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: tactical voting end all the way across to You've talked
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: about deliberate in four story encouraged migration into Wales. Were
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: there some subjects that you found were more emotive for
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: people on their doorsteps and others.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I think that in different parts of Wales there were
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: different subjects which were emotive. I mean where Jason Barker
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: was standing in Carmarthenshire and or through mid Wales where
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: there's beautiful countryside. The Senith is just going to trash
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that land by putting up wind turbines all over the place,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: which will ruin the peat bogs, ruin the mountainside, ruin
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the farmland with these monstrosities that are three hundred foot high.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: And so there was a lot of emotion about that,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: very very strong emotion. But then the people who live
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: in Cardiff. Well, you know, it doesn't affect them because
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: they're in Cardiff, you know, so they're not so bothered
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: about that. But the people in the rural areas really
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: were obviously a lot of parents when they discover what's
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: happening in schools, they become very emotional about it and
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: you know they want to stop it. Another thing which
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: is specific to Wales but also some parts of England
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in more local areas, this is twenty mile an hour
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: speed limit that's been brought in everywhere. So there's a
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: lot of people that really really hate that because it's
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: so frustrating to anyone who's driving around that there's all
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: these twenty mile an hour limits and zones everywhere, and
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: a lot of fines being given out for people like you.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: You know, they get fined if they're just driving twenty
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: three twenty four miles an hour, which is you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: not going to do anything harmful to anyone, but they're
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: getting fined for it. So it's a massive money making scam.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: But this is all linked into the net zero thing,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: the Agenda twenty thirty restrictions on travel, you know, making
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: life more difficult for people, trying to get people to
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: stay at home in all their zones and the fifteen
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: minute cities and so on. So people who understand this, yeah,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: they automatically will will resonate with what we're saying as
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the Heritage Party. But there's a lot of people who, now,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you know, this Agenda twenty thirty is affecting them in
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: practical ways, like they can't drive where they used to
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: in ways that they used to, you know, And so
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: people are feeling that.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Come in there, David, because I think this is a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: key a key subject. You're talking about Gender twenty thirty
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: and completely understand your concerns on that. How much knowledge
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: was there on the ground as to what was causing
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: these policies. So when people see the sort of turbines
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: going up, or they get very frustrated because there's a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: twenty mile an hour speed limit in force, is there
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: an awareness on the ground that these are coming from
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Agenda twenty thirty policies or do people just think, oh,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: this is another crazy policy from the government.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: There's not so much awareness of Agenda twenty thirty in
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the wider population. I think that people understand it in
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: terms of this fake narrative of climate crisis. There's a
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: climate emergency whatever that this has been declared by the
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: mainstream parties in the Senate, in Westminster, in holy Rood,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: in councils around the country, that there's a climate emergency.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Of course there isn't. But then people understand that all
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: of these things are being done because we need to
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: save the planet. Of course that's absolute nonsense. And more
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: and more people are actually becoming aware that the climate
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: emergency narrative is a load of rubbish. I think there's
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: actually a critical mass now that is turning against this
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: climate crisis narrative and net zero, but not still not
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: so much awareness of Agenda twenty thirty and the movers
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and shakers behind it in the World Economic Forum and
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: other places and so on. So that's but you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: there's a little bit, but it's more are understood in
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: terms of the climate right.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: And what that tells us, of course, is that there's
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: a huge onus on all of us, not just you
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: running a political party, the UK column as a media organization,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and all the other media organizations that are now running
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: trying to get a narrative out which is very different
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: from the mainstream media. This tells us how important our
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: work is because you're effectively saying that people carrying out
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: their day to day lives, getting on with their jobs,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: they are still not able to join up all the pieces.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: They still cannot see what it is that's actually starting
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: to pull their lives apart. This leads me into asking you,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: what do you how do you actually see I'm going
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to call it the battle against us. There's some think
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: which is clearly attacking society. It's not making our lives
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: easier in any sense. It's complicating lives. It's making people fearful,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it's pulling society apart, it's creating division. What is that beast?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: How do you define it? How do you look at
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it personally?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it is good that you call it a beast,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: because I think it is a beast, and it's not
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: immediately recognizable unless you do a lot of research into
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: it and you try to understand what's going on. You know,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: when I started looking into all of these things, you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I know that there's something that's not quite right. And
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: then I came across cultural Marxism, which is one aspect
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: of what is you're pulling society apart in terms of
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: identity politics and victim politics. And you know it woke
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: me and so on. Now we call that that's one
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: aspect of it. But then you've got a gender twenty thirty,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: which is all the climate communism, if you like, which
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: is changing society on the false premise that there's a climate.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: You know that the earth is frying. It's going to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: catch fire sometime. So we need to do all of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: this stuff in the economy, which is damaging freedom in
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the economy, the same as cultural Marxism is damaging free
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: speech and elevating victim groups and pushing down the majority populations,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: particularly in the West. So all these things are connected
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and related to each other in some ways, but you
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: don't see that immediately. But you know, whether you point
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: the finger at the World Economic Forum or the World
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Health Organization, or the Trilateral Commission, or the Aspen Institute
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: or the Rockefeller Institute, or the Council for Foreign Relations
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: or the Council of three hundred or the Club of Rome,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter because the same people sort of
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: in habit all of these groups together. I think, you know,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: these are all fronts for the same you know, cabal
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: of people that are you know, you know, swirl around
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: in all of these different groups and are nefarious and
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: are trying to create a completely different world. I mean,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: they talk about transforming the world, and I really don't
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: want the world to be transformed. I like our Christian countries,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: our Western countries, our European countries. I love them, and
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I love the world as it was in
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: a way before all of these people would start trying
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: to interfere and change things for their benefit, for the
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: benefit of a very small number of people, and to
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: the detriment of a much larger group of people. And
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: of course that's exemplified as well with the fact that
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: they got five and a half billion people injected with
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: experimental mRNA, which they called a covid vat scene, which
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: obviously wasn't. So there's a lot of animal not just animosity,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: but deliberate attempts to try to kill people, harm people
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: who are in the general population. This is very hard
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: for most people to understand because most people are good
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to some extent. You know, obviously, no one is perfect,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: no one is like God. We all sin in some ways.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: No one's perfect, but not everybody. Most people are not nefarious.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Most people don't deliberately go out of their way to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: harm other people. But there are some people who would
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: do absolutely horrible things, to the extent of, you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: committing genocide. And it's I can't comprehend why people will
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: want to do that, you know. You see the things
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: which are coming out slowly about the Epstein files, the
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Epstein and those people, and it's like, I can't imagine
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: why these things wouldn't even cross.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: My mind, David.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But there are some people that just do them because
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: they're evil. They really are evil, you know, and that
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: is the problem they are. It's more than a problem,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and people need to understand that, and you need to
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: understand it so that you can fight against it.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Indeed, this is the real heart of the problem, isn't
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it That you have people that as long as they
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: are comfortable, there's nothing too nasty happening in their lives.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: All they want is a quiet life, and they will
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: push to continue that quiet life. The fuel prices may
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: go up, that may cause them a problem and some
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: angst in budgeting for a family on a weekly or
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: monthly basis, but people are patient and they just absorb it.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: What is so difficult And I've found this over all
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the years that I've been speaking out and warning about
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: what's happening. Is that it's very difficult for the ordinary
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: good person to understand that there's some really nasty people
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: who are attacking them in ways that they can't easily
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: see and understand. And so you're trying to do two things.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: You're trying to shake them awake, and then you're trying
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to give them information in an easily digestible format that
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: leads them to understand what they're really dealing with. And
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: your problem as a political party is very much that
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you're up against the big parties. We could call it
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the uniparty, but we'll just accept there's different colors. But
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: all they have to argue is sort of the policies
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: is if there's nothing happening that's wrong, and they put
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: their message out in a very simplistic way, it's always
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: jammed tomorrow ways trust us whereas you are and the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: other smaller parties are having to put out a much
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: harder message because you're trying to warn about these very
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: bad things happening, and that's difficult.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Well, that's our purpose. I mean, if I wasn't going
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: to do this, I might as well join another party
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: that you know, is pre existing. If I wasn't worried
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: about fighting against these things. But I'm looking five, ten,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: twenty years ahead and saying we need to turn the
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: ship now so that we don't go down this road
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: of disaster. You can always change course and you can
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: turn back. It's never too late. But the longer we
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: go down this road, the harder it is. But that's
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons with the Heritage Party, I thought
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: we need a socially conservative party because there isn't one,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: and there isn't a party that's specifically based on Christian
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: principles in this country. We need that. You know, we
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: can't continue along with Tony Blair and Campbell's maxim oh
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: we don't do God because well, you know, we need
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: to understand that we're in a spiritual battle, as many
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: people say. But to actually understand that battle, it's a
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: battle between God and Satan, Jesus and Satan. So you've
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: got to pick a side on this. There's no middle ground.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people still think there is a
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: middle ground or this spiritual battle either doesn't exist or
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: it doesn't affect me. And they can see that there
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: is things wrong. But one of the most frustrating things
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: is people say, well, all of this is just incompetence,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: it's just people making mistakes. How can yeah, the cock
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: up theory rather than and if you don't agree with that,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: then you're a conspiracy theorist, because ah, you believe in
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy. Well, yes, there is. You know, a conspiracy
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: is just people getting together and planning things. Then a
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: lot of things which are going on are planned, and
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: they're planned in a very nefarious way against the people,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: to change things, to get rid of freedom, to get
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: rid of the democracy, to make people poor, to make
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: everything scarce. You know, we have an abundance in the world,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: but they want to make everything scarce so that we're controlled.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: We're anxious, we're nervous, and then you know, we're relyingt
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: We're dependent on this cabal to give us things when
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: actually everything is there for us because God gives us
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: an abundance, but the Satan obviously wants to take it away.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't talk about this, you know, you
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: know when I'm on the mainstream media, but I think
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I can talk about it with you to to a
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: small extent. But you know, we need to understand these
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: things because everything is related. You cannot separate politics and
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: just go over here and say, well, this is just
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: about you know, money and widgets and it's completely material,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: you know, and ignore the fact that we are a
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Christian country with a Christian constitution, with Christian principles, and
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: in Christianity it explains that we are in a spiritual
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: battle that's in the Bible all over the place. We
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: need to understand these things. And the economy, politics, entertainment, business,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the spiritual world are all interrelated with each other and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: you can't separate one from the other. And you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: so I thought, we need to base what we are
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: saying in terms of policy on principles. So the situation
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: in the country may change, there may be an event
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: that happens, there may be something on the news cycle,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: but our response to everything can be based on the
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: principles that we have and then people almost know what
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: we stand for before, you know, before something happens, and
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: which is actually true because people understand what our principles
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: are and therefore our policies flow from our principles, rather
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: than populist parties that just react without any principles and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: then they say something which is absolute garbage and have
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: to change it twenty four hours later because all of
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the things they announce get pulled apart very quickly, and
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: they're just saying things because they think it's going to
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: be popular and get them some votes, and then they
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: change their mind when they realize that we're not like that.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is a fascinating aspect, and you are quite
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: rightly saying it's no good just being in politics and
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: spinning the political line. You've actually got to put down
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: some foundations and say what you believe, what makes you tick.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to congratulate you for saying what you've done.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I'm also going to just highlight that amazing statement you made,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: which I believe is fully true, which, of course, is
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: that some of the things that you're talking about with
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: me now and you're happy to share with the UK
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: column audience. You say, well, of course the BBC would
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: not entertain this. I couldn't even really speak about it
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: with the BBC, or nobody will interview me and ask
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: ask me these questions. This immensely powerful media organization, the BBC,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: with a budget of whatever it is, seven pounds is
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: essentially antique. God, I think this is a this is
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the reality of it. And then if you think about
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that that this pervasive, malicious media organization does not have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: any it doesn't have any humanity in it because it's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: anti God. There's something for people to think about here.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: But this is this is a very very key point.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Well. The tragedy, sorry, the tragedy of the BBC is
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: that it didn't start that way. And its first director,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: i think was Lord Reeth and in the foundation stone
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: it says to the glory of God. So it was
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: set up, you know, one hundred years ago to actually
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: be good, but it's been completely infiltrated and inverted, so
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: now it's anti God. But it didn't start that way.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: And that's the long march through the institutions, which is
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: a deliberate plan to take over everything that's good or
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: neutral and to turn it into being used for evil,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: which is what you can see with the BBC. And
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: this is one of the things that people have to
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: understand that there are people who will they don't want
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: a single institution to exist that actually supports Gods, supports Christianity,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: the nation, the family, property, whatever. These are the four
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: things that the Communist Manifesto, written by Marx in eighteen
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: forty eight says that they need to get rid of
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: the nation, family property in Christianity. So you see all
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: of these four things being attacked everywhere, and the cultural
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Marxists or whatever you like to call them, who are
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: actually acting to drive these things out of society will
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: take over every single institution, the BBC, the political parties,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: educational establishments, even school, police forces, hospitals, even charities and ngngos.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: You know, you get charities like or ndos. Groups like
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: the Scouts and the Guides, which started off fantastically by
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Lord Baden Pout, have now been taken over by LGBT
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: activists who are like, you know, telling kids that their
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: trans you know, and insisting that boys must be allowed
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: go to the Guides and girls must be allowed to
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: go to the Scouts, and they all have to do
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: diversity days and go to youth Pride and whatever. This
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: is again, it's an inversion. All these things are going
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: on all over the country, all over the world. I
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: think people. The thing is, they've gone so fast, so fast,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: people are now to some extent waking up and going
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: what the hell is going on here? And what our
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: job is? I think We've got a great opportunity to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: now to say look, you can see it now, and
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: this is what's happening, and this is what you need
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: to do to fight against it. And this is why
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I started the Heritage Party here on the basis of principles,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: so that we will never be infiltrated or inverted. Well
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: not while I'm alive anyway.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you David. So much going through my head
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: that I want to talk about. Let me just throw
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: in this one very quickly. You're talking about a Christian
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: basis for the Heritage Party, and of course Wales traditionally
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: a very strong Christian part of the United Kingdom, with
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the Welsh Chapel culture being for many, many many years,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: many generations being ingrained in people in Wales, and of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: course a combination of very hard work, certainly within the
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: mining communities of Wherever Mirtha or the valleys, combined with
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a strict adherence to chapel worship. And as you say,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: that foundation stone for Welsh society has been attacked over
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: a great many years and weakened, and of course now
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: many young people in Wales completely lost as to what
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: their own heritage is. So a very strong attack on that.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: But the other thing I've bringing alongside that, and I've
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: just come back to the Public Child Protection Wales conference
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: because at that event were a number of Muslims who'd
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: come down from the Midlands, and they'd come down particularly
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: because they knew the importance of Kim Isherwood's work with
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: PCB Whales. They'd also been tackling the religious and sex
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: education agenda in schools, particularly in the Birmingham area, and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: so those Muslims came down to a talk and there
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: were several of the Ladies' speakers talking about the grooming
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: of children, the sexual education, but they did it from
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: a Christian viewpoint, and yet we had Muslims in the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: audience there who were absolutely delighted to be there. They
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: were fully aligned with the need to protect children, everybody's children,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and so I thought this was another powerful thing of
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: the day. And of course Kim was there at the
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: time as an early representative of the Heritage Party, but
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the reality of the subject protecting children had instantly bridged
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: any divides between the Christian community and the Muslim community,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and I thought that was an extremely powerful example of
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: when people realize the real danger, maybe some of the
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: other issues start to fall to one side.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know them as well. That the leaders of
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: the Muslim parents groups that were against the LGBT programs
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: coming into primary schools in Birmingham, that was big news
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. I think it's Parkwood
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: School at Anderton Park School, if my memory serves me right,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: that we're bringing in this program to sexualized children and
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: you know, teach children that there's all different family types,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: which was very much against you know, Islam or the
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Muslim you know culture, as well as Christianity and also
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: the transgenderism too. So obviously i'm you know, I have
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: issues with you know, Islam. I wouldn't accept it because
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: they don't accept Jesus as the son of God, but
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: they do honor Jesus as a prophet. I would say,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: you know, that's not quite correct. But on this issue
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: we're very much one hundred percent in agreement. And I think,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: you know, actually, even though the Heritage Party is completely
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: based on Christian principles and I'm very open about that,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Muslims who read our manifesto and even other people Hindus
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and seek from other faiths who read our manifesto they
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: love it because it's not specifically, you know, saying you
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: have to be born again Christian to join the party.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: But the Christian principles are that we respect life, and
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: we have a culture of life, and we affirm traditional
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: family values. And it doesn't matter whether you're Christian or
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Muslim or Hindu or seek. All of those people you
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: know who want the best for their families and their
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: children and their communities respect and support the family, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: they respect and support the science that you are male
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: and female. And it's wrong to teach people or children
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: that there is something different to that and confuse them
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: so they get mutilated. I mean, you have to be
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: quite perverse to want to mutilate children, and which is
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: something that we obviously will immediately agree on anyone who's
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: of sound mind. So yeah, absolutely, I know the Muslim
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: leaders of the resistance against the sexualization of children in
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: schools and you know we completely agree on that issue.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Thank you for that. I'd say to the audience that
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I have been able to do an interview with one
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: of the Muslim gentlemen that was at the event in
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: South Wales and that will be out shortly. Very very
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: interesting conversation, but we'll leave that for another time, But
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: isn't it interesting that now I'll deliberately use the term
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the beast again. Now the beast is really showing itself,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: and it's showing that it's not just sort of policies,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: political policies destroying the nation state. The attack has come
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: in onto families. It's come on to what it is
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to be a man and a woman, and now it's
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: come on to children. That's where the attack has now
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: got to. And at that point, the need to protect
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: families and children as this unifying agenda, So that clearly
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: is a subject which of talking about and in your
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: publications is an important one. I just jump across, if
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I may, onto the subject of the Green Party because
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I was fascinated a few weeks ago when I was
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: doing some personal research into where maybe politics was going
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: to start to see threads which were really showing that
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: or indicating is a better expression, indicating that the Green
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Party was going to be the new focus of politics.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: And it seemed to me that the plan is you
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: come back on this one. But this is how I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: was seeing things, that the Green Party is going to
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: be wound up, it's going to become the Darling of
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: the BBC type. And the aim is that all of
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: the infighting and the failing of the old parties, the
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Reds and the Blues, Labor and the Conservative that's going
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: to be allowed to sort of drift into a muddy pond,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: and the new shining light will be the Green Party.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: And therefore I think that you're an increasingly powerful adversary
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: in politics. For the Heritage Party to be tackling and
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: indeed other small parties is actually going to be the
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Green Party. What's your feeling about that?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: The thing about the Green parties, they're not green, They're
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: not green at all because they support win turbines and
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: solar panels and all of these things that are absolutely
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: destructive to the environment. I think actually the Heritage Party
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: is probably the most green, if you like, in terms
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: of looking after the environment and making sure that we
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: add natural regenerative farming, that we don't destroy farmland, and
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: we look after our heritage. There is you know that
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: the Green Party is not that. But what I can
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: see is that the metropolitan graduates are going to you know,
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: who are all woke, have had it with labor because
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: labor have become you know, in many ways, a globalist
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: centrist party that does the bidding of you know, global corporatism.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: And so there are the actual proper left that are
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: against corporatists just as much as I am are now
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you know, going drifting away from the Labor Party into
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: the Green Party because they they actually see them as
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: more you know, Marxist revolutionaries that are going to soak
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: the rich, you know, tax the billionaires, destroy the billionaires,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: and like, you know, get rid of put rent controls on,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: look after renters, look after employers, increase the minimum wage,
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: do all of these things which sound wonderful until they're implemented,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: and then the economy crashes because they don't make any
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: economic sense, you know. So they're going to promise all
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: of the people who have got nothing the earth, and
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: then when they implement the policies, the entire economy is
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: going to crash, you know, which is what is what
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: it always does whenever anyone implements communism in its fullist extent.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: One thing I do agree with the Green Party on, however,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: is there anti war. So you know, we're an anti
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: war party in the Heritage Party. That's about the only thing.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: But I think that is something that. You know, I
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: get called far right, hard right, we're not, but we're
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: anti war and then people say, oh, well, now you're
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: just like the far left, which is anti war as well,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: which is very interesting. But you know, I do agree
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: with them on that, but on almost everything else, the wokery,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: the economic insanity, the high tax, high spending, high borrowing,
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: economic disaster which will come out of the Green Party
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: means that no one will have anything after a few months,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: so the country will just collapse into a mess and
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: then it will have to get bailed out by the
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: IMF and then they will impose their technocrats on the country,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: whoever that may be, just like they did on Greece
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: back in twenty fifteen. You know, Greece voted for SERIESA
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen and they couldn't do what they wanted.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: They did exactly the opposite of what they promised people
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: because the country went bankrupt. So you know, that's what
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: will happen to the UK if people vote for the
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Green Party. So we need to avoid that. And I think,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: you know, what I'm hoping is that somehow people will
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: come to see that the principles that we have and
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: the Heritage Party are the anecdote to everything else in
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: the uniparty and will say for the country somehow with
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: our principles.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: David, thank you for that. That's a little bit of
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: discussion about the Green Party. The other thing I'd like
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: to ask you about is how you see the other
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: non mainstream parties at the moment. And of course we've
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: got Reform and Restore on well, certainly Reform on a
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: bigger scale, but we've also got Restore now, and then
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: we've got some other smaller parties English Democrats for example.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: What is your view on the what do we call it,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: let's call it the new political scene. How do you
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: see the pond with all these parties emerging and competing
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: for votes.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Well, the word I use to say is we're a
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: challenger party because we're challenging the uniparty. And you know,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: I get asked this question a lot, and I think
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: you have to look at every single one individually. I
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: can't give a blanket answer to look at them one
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: by one. So let's take the three that you've mentioned.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So reform, I think you know, well, they've built on
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: what UKIP built over whatever thirty years, So it's reform
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: is a continuation of the Brexit Party, which is a
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: continuation of UKIP. It's pretty much mainstream now. I don't
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: see it as any different to the Uniparty because they've
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: taken in so many failed Conservatives that is pretty much
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Conservative Party two point zero. But you've got Nadin Zahawi,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Nadine Dorries, Suella Bravaman, Robert Jenrick, Danny Krueger and others,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Andrea Jenkins. I mean more than half of their front
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: people are ex Tories, and there's going to be more
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: coming over. Andrew Rosendell as well. So they're pretty much
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: the Uniparty. And with reform, they don't have any principles.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: They just make up policy on the hoof, and so
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: you don't actually know what they stand for because they
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: say one thing one day, and they say the exact
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: opposite another day, and then one day's yer Usefu will
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: say something, Robert Jenrik will contradict him, and then they'll
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: have an argument, so you don't really know what they
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: stand for, to be honest. So people are supporting them
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: at the moment because they've got lots of money from
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: you know, crypto billionaires. The biggest shareholder of Kinetic, which
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: is an arms firm, you know, and other people that
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't take money from, and they get boosted, you know,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: significantly on the mainstream media and on social media too.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: So because they get all of this airtime, people hear
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: about them, and I understand people are going to them
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: because they think they're an alternative to the mainstream. But
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: they're not in my view. But I think among the
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: activists in reform, there's a lot of consternation and I
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people are leaving them because they're
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't see them blasting you know, a
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: long term. They may last another year or two, but
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to fall apart soon because they
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: don't actually stand for anything. Now when you've got Restore,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: that's really new, it's only became the party three months ago,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: didn't it. I think what I think there is beware
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: because Rupert Lowe has made his money from the climate
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: whatever scam, I would call it a scam. He's invested
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: in solar panels and heat pumps. He's also invested in
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: the COVID scam that he's got one company that made
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of money from PCR testing. He also put out,
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: you know, we need to support Israel no matter what.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: There's not exact words, but something along those lines, you know,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent support for Israel in you know, at
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: the time when they're bombing Palestine and now they're bombing
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Iran and bombing Lebanon and so on. I'm against all
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: of that. So I think there's a lot of issues
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: with Restore that I don't that I think people need
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: to be aware of. Again, I understand that people look
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: at it and on the surface they think, oh wow,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: this is the real alternative that's going to save our country.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, and I think you know it's
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: going to be I don't think it's the lasting for
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: the long term either. But we've been here for six
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: years consistently saying the same thing, so I think people
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: respect that and ultimately will come through. You mentioned the
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: English Democrats as well. Look, I like some of the
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: people in the English Democrats, but essentially it's an English
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: separatist party and I'm not for separating England from the
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: United Kingdom. I believe in you know, England, Scotland, Wales
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: and Northern Ireland together, So you know that's their number
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: one raison detre. So you know, there's there's a big
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: difference there between us and the English Democrats too. And
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: if you you've got any other specific ones you know
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: that you mentioned, I could talk about them specifically too,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: But those are my thoughts anyway on other parties, the
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: get cord challenger parties, but in Reforms case, I don't
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: see it anymore as a challenger because it really is
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: part of the mainstream with all of these ex tories
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: in it.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, David, you've got into really key area here, I think,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: because there are whatever these small parties are most of
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the people in them doing the work and are working
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: extremely hard because they've got one or more concerns about
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: what's been happening in their country. So I always look
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: at the body of the church, if we use that
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: expression for these parties, and I think, yeah, there's a
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: lot of good people there, but they've got people who
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: are running the party whose agenda is not what they
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: think it is. And so it seems to me what
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: we have to try and do is is buoy up
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: and encourage and support people who are prepared to work
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: in a political level at quite a low level. They're
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: not being caught up in the politics of how a
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: party is run, they are actually getting out there to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: try and make a difference. They've got to be supplied
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: with information and informed as to what the real threats are,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: which you've very eloquently covered a little bit earlier, and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: then there's an opportunity for a real difference to be
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: made at local political level. And what am I talking about.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about county council level, city council level. Some
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: district councils, of course still exists, and the little parish council,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: which many people laugh about, but actually, if you get
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: involved in a parish council, you learn a great deal
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: about your own community, but also about government policies because
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you can see documents that you wouldn't as an ordinary
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: member of the public. I spent six years as a
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: parish counselor, and my joke is that I had many
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: letters of sort of complaints, people unhappy with things happening
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: in the village. I did get one thank you letter.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe I had a couple in that time, but most
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: people complain They don't think. But I learned a huge
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: amount from doing that job, and I would personally encourage
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: people to get involved at this local level and be
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: elected at this local level, So please respond to me
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: on that. When people say to the UK column, yes,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: but what's the point of politics, We can't make a difference.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I find this so frustrating because if all of the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: UK column members and supporters and viewers got out and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: got themselves elected as local counselors, to me, it seems
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: they would be in a direct position to counter policies
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: coming from global from the height of the global rules
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  Speaker 1: based international order. Those globalist policies only work when they
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  Speaker 1: are enacted at local level, and if you stop them
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  Speaker 1: at local level, you stop their policies dead. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: absolutely four people working to get themselves elected as local counselors.
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  Speaker 1: But David over to you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a numbers game and we can make a difference.
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  Speaker 2: You maybe can't make a difference as one person on
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  Speaker 2: your own, but if everyone watching got involved, we would
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  Speaker 2: make a huge difference. And that's the thing. So the
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  Speaker 2: worst thing is apathy, and the worst thing you can
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  Speaker 2: do is say, oh, well, the system exists and there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing we can do to change it. This is a
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  Speaker 2: I think to some extent, it's to keep people in
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  Speaker 2: a state of hopelessness. But we don't have to be
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  Speaker 2: in that state of hopelessness. The Heritage Party has got
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  Speaker 2: ten counselors at the very most local level, Paris councils
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  Speaker 2: and town councils. They're making an amazing difference, a tremendous
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  Speaker 2: difference in the places where they are. And obviously we've
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  Speaker 2: got Madeline who has been on your show being interviewed
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  Speaker 2: by you as our general secretaries leading the Department of
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  Speaker 2: the Heritage Party, which is actually our political action team,
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  Speaker 2: which is questioning, challenging counselors and MPs and lords on
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  Speaker 2: the local government reorganization and many many other things like
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  Speaker 2: mass developments going around the country, a disposal of assets
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  Speaker 2: which councils are doing. We're challenging them on many many
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  Speaker 2: things and we're getting results, and we're pushing back and
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  Speaker 2: we're stopping some of these things from happening which the
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  Speaker 2: government wants to happen, or counselors want to happen, which
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  Speaker 2: are detrimental to local people in local communities. So you
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  Speaker 2: can have an impact even if you're not elected. So
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  Speaker 2: how much more of an impact can you have if
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  Speaker 2: you are elected? And the great thing is that next
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  Speaker 2: year on the sixth of May twenty twenty seven, there
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  Speaker 2: are over ten thousand council seats up for election in England,
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  Speaker 2: Scotland and Wales. I mean almost every place in the
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  Speaker 2: country has got an election a local election, so there
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  Speaker 2: are so many opportunities for people to stand and to
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  Speaker 2: try to become counselors. And what we're going to do
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  Speaker 2: is target certain areas and if we have a big
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  Speaker 2: ground campaign, we know we can win certain areas with
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  Speaker 2: a bigger ground campaign than we've ever had before. So
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  Speaker 2: next year, when there's all these schedule elections, is the
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  Speaker 2: time to start. And you know, anyone listening, please get
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  Speaker 2: your hopes up and you can do it. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I stood for election the first time in twenty fifteen
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't know what I got myself into. I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't elected the first time, but I got elected the
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  Speaker 2: next year afterwards, and then I've never looked back. And
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  Speaker 2: so you know, if I could do it and I
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  Speaker 2: had no experience in twenty fifteen, then I would say
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  Speaker 2: anyone can do it. And it might be you say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's easy for you to say now, but everyone starts
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  Speaker 2: somewhere and we all learn as we go on. But
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  Speaker 2: the thing is, if you've got a good heart and
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  Speaker 2: if you want the best for your country, you're going
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  Speaker 2: to be a far better person to stand for election
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  Speaker 2: and to be elected from someone who maybe knows all
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  Speaker 2: what they're doing, but at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have the best interest of their people at heart.
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  Speaker 2: They're just going to, you know, steal things and destroy things.
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  Speaker 2: So we need to kick those people out and we
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  Speaker 2: need to get good people in. And it may take
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  Speaker 2: a couple of months to learn the rope and to
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  Speaker 2: figure out the standing orders and all this kind of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but in the end of the day, you will be
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  Speaker 2: able to make a huge positive difference if you get
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  Speaker 2: into a position on a county or a district council,
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  Speaker 2: or even on a parish council. And it's much easier
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  Speaker 2: to get co opted to a parish council because there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of vacancies you know, that you can find
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  Speaker 2: and you can do it at any level. You can
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  Speaker 2: make a positive difference to the country.
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  Speaker 1: David, that's really a wonderful segment because very enthusiastic and positive.
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  Speaker 1: I personally agree with everything you're saying there. Because the
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  Speaker 1: ability to get elected at local level means that you
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  Speaker 1: then are one of the stallwarts that can stand against
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  Speaker 1: these policies being enacted within a city or within a
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  Speaker 1: local rural community. You are the person that can act
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  Speaker 1: stop it dead in its tracks. And the reason this
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  Speaker 1: is so important is that everything I'll say we as
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  Speaker 1: the UK Column see with our analysis, and I'll bring
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  Speaker 1: Ben Rubin's name in, particularly because he's been really getting
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  Speaker 1: into the detail of this, is that high level rules
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  Speaker 1: based international order policy, world economic policy, you NEESCO, the
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  Speaker 1: United Nations, they want their policies to be enforced down
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  Speaker 1: to street level because they know if they can't enforce
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  Speaker 1: it at street level, they can't make the whole nation
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  Speaker 1: national agenda or international agenda work. So it's a very
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  Speaker 1: interesting point that you come to the local level of
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  Speaker 1: politics and as a local counselor when you say no,
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  Speaker 1: we're not having it, you are doing huge damage to
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  Speaker 1: these very powerful people with a lot of money. And
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  Speaker 1: the other thing I'd like to add is that we've
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  Speaker 1: often said on the UK Column that you need a
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  Speaker 1: friend because it can be scary to stand up and
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  Speaker 1: canvas and get yourself elected. But the moment you do
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  Speaker 1: stand up, people will come forward to support you and
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  Speaker 1: you'll make new friends and this allows the thing to
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  Speaker 1: gain strength. But also withinside a city council or a
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  Speaker 1: county council, when you have two or three or four
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  Speaker 1: local councilors who know what they're really fighting, even if
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  Speaker 1: they or perhaps an independent and some of them are
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  Speaker 1: from different parties, provided they work together, they can move mountains.
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  Speaker 1: That that's my take on local politics.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And you know, I can just say my
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  Speaker 2: experience on the London Assembly was very tough because there
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  Speaker 2: were twenty five people on the Assembly. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: had one other person in my group, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: one or two of the Tories would be quite sympathetic,
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  Speaker 2: but they would all you know, vote with the party line.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, the the clips of me questioning Sadik Khan,
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  Speaker 2: you know, making him squirm on grooming gangs, on two
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  Speaker 2: tier policing, on his transgender tweets, and many many other
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  Speaker 2: things are still going around today and they get picked
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  Speaker 2: up by media or social media. And I think I
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  Speaker 2: had a big impact, even if it's just to give
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  Speaker 2: people hope. You know, during the COVID era, I think
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  Speaker 2: I was the only politician elected in the country that
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  Speaker 2: actually said I wasn't going to lock down, I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: going to wear a mask. I wasn't going to take
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  Speaker 2: an injection for two years in some people, you know,
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  Speaker 2: after the damage was done after two years, some people
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  Speaker 2: then said, he I'm against it now. But I was
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  Speaker 2: there at the time and I got loads and loads
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  Speaker 2: of flak and loads of stick. But to have someone
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  Speaker 2: in that body saying, no, I'm not going to go
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  Speaker 2: against it, I'm not going to go a lot with you.
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  Speaker 2: And actually to the point where the deems of har
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  Speaker 2: we came to the London Assembly one time and I
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  Speaker 2: could question him and actually put that out and it
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  Speaker 2: got reported on was something that you know, I was
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  Speaker 2: very glad that I was in a position to do
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  Speaker 2: that and actually be a voice against the almost the
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  Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of people who were just promoting the
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  Speaker 2: globalist agenda and narrative. So, you know, if you're a
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  Speaker 2: local level, you can make a big difference. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: some of our candidates, some of our counselors are you know,
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  Speaker 2: they've they've stopped twenty mile an hour zones, they've stopped
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  Speaker 2: and you know, traffic traffic blocking measures. They've you know,
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  Speaker 2: started youth clubs and so on in their their areas,
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  Speaker 2: you know, which have been closed down, and so they're
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  Speaker 2: doing a lot of great work in you know, one
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  Speaker 2: of our counselors stopped centuries old from being chopped down
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  Speaker 2: that they were just going to chop it down on
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  Speaker 2: the basis of some dodgy report about some fungus which
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  Speaker 2: didn't exist. And one of our counselors has stopped this
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  Speaker 2: tree and still there today on a parish council. So
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  Speaker 2: you can have a great effect and it might not
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  Speaker 2: be you know, a massive effect on a national level,
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  Speaker 2: but you're standing against the agenda at a local level,
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  Speaker 2: and that really winds the globalist up because as I
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  Speaker 2: said before in another you know, in another context earlier,
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  Speaker 2: they want they don't want a single organization, council body,
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  Speaker 2: NGO business to exist. There isn't one hundred percent allegiant
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  Speaker 2: to their agenda. And when we go in and we're
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  Speaker 2: not allegiant to their agenda, and actually we are allegiant
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  Speaker 2: to God, the nation, and the people, then we're actually
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  Speaker 2: standing up for truth, freedom and democracy, and we're pushing
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  Speaker 2: back against these evil people.
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  Speaker 1: David Brilliant, we're at the top of the hour, people
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  Speaker 1: who are interested in the Heritage Party want to get involved?
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  Speaker 1: How do they find you? Who should they contact?
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  Speaker 2: So our website is Heritageparty dot org and you can
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  Speaker 2: join the party there. You can read our manifesto there,
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  Speaker 2: you can look at our latest news items and see
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  Speaker 2: who's who in the party there. So do have a
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  Speaker 2: look and do please join us and so Heritageparty dot org.
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  Speaker 2: And we're also going to have a conference in the
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  Speaker 2: autumn as well, so I'm planning that and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to announce when that is soon. So that's something that
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  Speaker 2: will be great to come along to you and meet
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  Speaker 2: other good like minded people as well.
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  Speaker 1: Brilliant, David, uplifting discussion. Reallyant enjoyed it. Thank you very
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  Speaker 1: very much for joining UK.
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  Speaker 2: Colin, thank you