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Ohio State Recruiting: Where Do The Buckeyes Stand After Early Signing Day? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to buck Eyes tomorrow morning for Sunday, December eighth.
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, tom Or. The game against Michigan is
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  Speaker 1: day long at bucke huddle dot com and YouTube dot
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  Speaker 2: But before we get to that, there's.
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  Speaker 1: Something that I have been meaning to get to all
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  Speaker 1: week long, and there's been a whole lot of other
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  Speaker 1: stuff to talk about, so we just haven't gotten there.
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  Speaker 1: Early Signing Day was Wednesday. We obviously had a ton
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  Speaker 1: of coverage for you at bucke Huddle dot Com. We
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  Speaker 1: just haven't gotten to it yet on the Morning show because,
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  Speaker 1: oh boy, has there been some post mortem to do
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  Speaker 1: on the Michigan loss and a little bit of a
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  Speaker 1: look ahead to the college football Playoff. So now today
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get a little bit of an in
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  Speaker 1: depth look at early Signing Day. This is a bonus
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  Speaker 1: episode the Skull Session Recruiting Podcast. Those guys did more
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  Speaker 1: than an hour on early signing day, answering a ton
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  Speaker 1: of questions, diving very deep on stuff. Rather than try
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  Speaker 1: and reinvent the wheel, especially with Mark and Kevin up
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  Speaker 1: covering the Ohio high school playoffs this weekend, I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to just give this to you as a bonus episode.
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  Speaker 1: Now we'll be back in a little less than twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours with the look at what's coming up next
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  Speaker 1: for the Ohio State Buckeyes, But for now the Skull
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  Speaker 1: Session Recruiting Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to a live edition of the Skull
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  Speaker 2: Session Recruiting Podcast, brought to you by Buckeye Uddle dot Com.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Mark Givler Kevin Noon here with me.
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  Speaker 3: A big signing day for Ohio State. Here as they
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  Speaker 3: as they sign. I haven't even done account on the players.
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  Speaker 3: The class is not done though at this point. We
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  Speaker 3: will get into that in a minute. One kid still
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  Speaker 3: signing tomorrow, and then of course the David Sanders question.
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  Speaker 2: But Mark, you back with us, I think, so there
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  Speaker 2: you go. Okay, yeah, we're going to try and wrap
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  Speaker 2: this up by seventh, but you know, just gonna go
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  Speaker 2: over a few kind of interesting news items of the
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  Speaker 2: day and get to questions. But you know, it was
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  Speaker 2: a for me, it was a pretty good day. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 2: name offered flip the Oregon. I think everyone knew it
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  Speaker 2: was possible he would flip somewhere today. But they keep
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  Speaker 2: PJ offered, They get Turbo Rogers, they flip the defense
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  Speaker 2: end from E. C. L A a top pass rusher.
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  Speaker 2: What am I missing that? You know, nothing else went,
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  Speaker 2: you know, squirrely on them. So look, I think in
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  Speaker 2: today's landscape of just be signing day, flips being pretty
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  Speaker 2: uh frequent. Uhh. I think it's a pretty good day.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think if you would have pulled everyone,
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  Speaker 2: that's how it would play out today. I think most
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  Speaker 2: people will be like, okay, that that it's not perfect,
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  Speaker 2: but that's not bad, you know, Kevin, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you feel the same or if you feel like
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  Speaker 2: the offered d commitment kind of overshadows everything else. But
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  Speaker 2: you know, I thought they I thought they did okay today.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, you hate to lose a five star,
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  Speaker 3: you hate to lose a top ten player in the nation.
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  Speaker 3: That is a that is not a good moment. But
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  Speaker 3: I think that as you looked at the national landscape
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  Speaker 3: and there were just more signing day kind of you know,
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  Speaker 3: funky things, then I can remember in past cycles, just
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  Speaker 3: a lot of guys that just you know, oh, after
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  Speaker 3: being committed to you know, school X for seven months,
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  Speaker 3: you know, flips to school HY and you know it's
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  Speaker 3: the first we're kind of hearing of it. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's recruiting in the in the national We've been
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  Speaker 3: told not to call them in allies anymore. Their big
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  Speaker 3: ten scholarship agreements, I think is what Jerry e makes
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  Speaker 3: at at Ohio State. But you know, I think Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State not only maintaining its last minus one still waiting
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  Speaker 3: on Jark West Carter to sign, I believe, still in
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  Speaker 3: the David Sanders sweepstakes, I guess. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we'll talk about that in a minute, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: and then to pick up a couple of players with
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  Speaker 3: Turbo Rogers and then the U c L a defensive end.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think it's I think it's a net
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  Speaker 3: positive in some ways. I mean, obviously you would like
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  Speaker 3: to have Naim offered, I mean the one two punch
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  Speaker 3: of offered with Sanchez was uh formidable. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm not as worried about Ohio State's defensive back
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  Speaker 3: recruiting as I am about uh, you know, maybe another spots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and Jarquest Carter is still out there. He's
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  Speaker 2: gonna sign tomorrow. Looks like I have been I have
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  Speaker 2: been up since almost four now, I've been up since
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  Speaker 2: six am. Jarq West Carter will sign on on Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: or I'm sorry Thursday day. Today is Wednesday. Wow, he'll
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  Speaker 2: sign on Thursday. There's a there's a team ceremony there
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to take part in with his teammates. So
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  Speaker 2: that's that's where that's that. You know, I've checked in
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  Speaker 2: with with people at Ohio State and the concern level
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  Speaker 2: is not very high. Uh, There's always that in the
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  Speaker 2: back of their minds of like, well, it would be
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  Speaker 2: really nice to have that right now and and not
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  Speaker 2: have to go through this for another day. But there's
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  Speaker 2: not a high level of concern at this point. Pretty
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  Speaker 2: optimistic that he's going to sign tomorrow with the buck
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  Speaker 2: Eyes and and say no to the Florida schools. So
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  Speaker 2: we'll find out with with David Sanders, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: hilarious timing on the Josh Simmons news dump this morning
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  Speaker 2: that one thousand percent was Ohio State, you know, rattling
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  Speaker 2: cages and doing whatever they need to do here at
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  Speaker 2: the last minute to try and get a flip. But
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  Speaker 2: my instinct is he's probably gonna sign with Tennessee. But
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  Speaker 2: it was it was nonetheless interesting and funny to me
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  Speaker 2: that they had the Josh Simmons NFL Draft announced. I
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  Speaker 2: can't remember ever a player announcing for the NFL Draft
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  Speaker 2: at like nine am on signing day morning, Like I've
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  Speaker 2: never even heard of something like that, And it just
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  Speaker 2: so happened to be when when David Sanders is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's coming out that he's not going to sign today
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  Speaker 2: and some of his you know, I heard something about
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  Speaker 2: his announcement ceremony getting postponed. Whether that's true or not,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I know he had teammates sign today.
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  Speaker 2: I know his he had two teammates sign today with
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  Speaker 2: Division one programs at least that I saw. That was
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  Speaker 2: just early and I don't know if anymore added later.
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  Speaker 2: But I know he had some guys on his team
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  Speaker 2: that signed with other Division one programs today. So but
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  Speaker 2: you know, he gets to have a big moment tomorrow probably,
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  Speaker 2: and again my instinct would be Tennessee. But it you know,
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  Speaker 2: Ohio States kind of pull out all the stops there,
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  Speaker 2: just reiterating like yeah, we're losing our starting left tackle,
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  Speaker 2: just you know, a reminder he's not going to be back. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean sometimes you just need to have that day
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  Speaker 3: you're sold a line of whatever during recruiting of oh
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  Speaker 3: this is going to be the case, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: Ohios is like, well, you know, to Josh, we know
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  Speaker 3: you're leaving, We thank you for your couple of years. Here,
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  Speaker 3: can you do us one more solid and announced, you know,
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  Speaker 3: at this window right before you know, our biggest target
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  Speaker 3: supposed to sign. And you know, I think that sure,
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  Speaker 3: Josh Simmons was initially recruited by San Diego State and
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  Speaker 3: everything else. I think if Ohio State would have recruited
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  Speaker 3: amount of high school, he probably would have gone to
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State. So you know, it's not out of the
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  Speaker 3: realm of him doing Ohio State. That's solid, you know
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  Speaker 3: that one more time or whatever. But you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I can't sit there and say, oh, there's
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  Speaker 3: nothing to worry about with dark West Carter and end stay.
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  Speaker 3: But but Ohio State is behind the scenes, you know,
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  Speaker 3: full of shenanigans, trying to get David Sanders to flip.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you obviously, until you sign, everything you know
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  Speaker 3: is still kind of out there on the table, so
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  Speaker 3: you just kind of have to wait and see. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, it takes us into an extra day, which
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  Speaker 3: is you know, fine by me to have a day
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  Speaker 3: or two to you know, dissect all of this before
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  Speaker 3: we get into college football playoffs stuff comes Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, my stances on dark West Carter
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  Speaker 2: and David Sanders are very similar. I think dark West
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  Speaker 2: Carter's probably going to sign with Ohio State tomorrow. I
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  Speaker 2: think David Sanders is probably going to sign with Tennessee.
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  Speaker 2: But the fact that there's this extra day here can
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  Speaker 2: allow for any sort of shenanigans to occur, and we've
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  Speaker 2: seen crazier things happen. So I'm again, I'm expecting dark
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  Speaker 2: West Carter to sign with Ohio State tomorrow at his ceremony,
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  Speaker 2: as he's intended to do. And I don't have anything
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  Speaker 2: that would lead me to believe that Ohio State is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, is that it's gonna be imminent that'll flips
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  Speaker 2: David Sanders at this point. But but I know, obviously
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  Speaker 2: they're still making their late overtures and everything else. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: thats i'n get to that. There's a question about Josh
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  Speaker 2: Petty in the chat. I was actually gonna that was
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  Speaker 2: gonna be my my next thing as we were talking
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  Speaker 2: about this. Yes, Josh Petty, five star officsive tackle, has
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  Speaker 2: not signed yet with Georgia Tech. We're checking on it.
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  Speaker 2: I talked to someone down that way who knows that
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  Speaker 2: recruitment very well and knows the Georgia Tech program very well,
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  Speaker 2: and they have indicated that the expectation is is Josh
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  Speaker 2: Petty's signing, so I with with Georgia Tech. So it's
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  Speaker 2: it's again, it's it's David Sanders, Dark West Carter. Again,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's he hasn't signed yet, which leaves that little
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  Speaker 2: window open for everybody to try and make some last
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  Speaker 2: minute craziness. But the expectation is he will stick with
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  Speaker 2: his commitment at this point. But again that's something we'll
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  Speaker 2: keep an eye on here tonight and in the morning
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  Speaker 2: if nothing changes and he sellsn't signed yet or anything
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  Speaker 2: like that. So yeah, not not, wouldn't get my hopes
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  Speaker 2: up on that one at this point. But you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: we'll we'll let we'll let everyone know if anything changes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to get too far down the rabbit
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  Speaker 2: hole of like doing the individual player breakdowns on this.
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  Speaker 2: If you go to our if you you're you're obviously
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  Speaker 2: here on the channel right now. If if you go
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  Speaker 2: to like our our homepage, our YouTube dot com slash
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  Speaker 2: Buckeye Huddle, we have little uh breakdowns on every kid
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  Speaker 2: who signed today minus uh two, which we're going to
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  Speaker 2: get you here shortly, but everyone that's signed this morning
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  Speaker 2: and then we we got to get you Turbo and
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  Speaker 2: we got to get you sitana A. So we'll get
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  Speaker 2: those up as well. But so if you want like
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  Speaker 2: ten twelve minute breakdowns on each guy or you know,
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  Speaker 2: discuss on each guy, just head over there, uh when
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  Speaker 2: we're off of here, and you can pretty much uh
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  Speaker 2: pick whoever you want to, you know, whoever you want
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  Speaker 2: to get more informational, we've got those up already. So
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  Speaker 2: those are also.
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  Speaker 3: All day yesterday, so you better watch them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a few, we got we got a
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  Speaker 2: handful done a couple days in advance, the especially safe ones.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, we we went, uh, we went a little
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  Speaker 2: nuts yesterday. You also wanted to be fresh, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's one thing. Yeah, we want to wait and see
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  Speaker 2: there's no drama. We also don't want to do it
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  Speaker 2: like three weeks in advance. It just doesn't feel fresh
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  Speaker 2: when you're doing it. But yep, so we got we
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  Speaker 2: got a bunch from in there, and they're also in
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  Speaker 2: the podcast for if you want to listen to them.
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  Speaker 2: So but I would suggest YouTube just because there's video.
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  Speaker 2: We have like two roughly two minutes of highlight video
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  Speaker 2: of every kid and in these things, which obviously you
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  Speaker 2: can't watch if you're listening, but some people for the listen,
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  Speaker 2: so that's fine. So yeah, No, no concrete news. I
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  Speaker 2: know people are We've got some stragglers coming in. No
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  Speaker 2: nothing concrete on on David Sanders other than again, my
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  Speaker 2: guess is that he ends up sticking with Tennessee. But
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  Speaker 2: it was it was quite funny this morning watching the
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  Speaker 2: Josh Simmons news get put out there right at the
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  Speaker 2: right time, as David Sanders was postponing his uh his
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  Speaker 2: decision till tomorrow. Apparently till tomorrow. I mean, we'll see,
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  Speaker 2: we will see we'll find I think we'll find out
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow like one way or the other. Obviously, we'll find
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  Speaker 2: out like if this was just a whole like thing
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  Speaker 2: with his ceremony, or if he you know, or if
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  Speaker 2: there's more to it. But I know Ohio State is
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  Speaker 2: not going to stop trying until until Tennessee announces his signing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just not going to be a guy
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  Speaker 2: they stop on.
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  Speaker 3: Just putting some questions in the queue. I just wanted
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  Speaker 3: to make sure we got through everything before that. Kind
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  Speaker 3: of a mixture of some specific question maybe some that
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  Speaker 3: are coming from a little bit more of Ohio State
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  Speaker 3: fans are still kind of up in there, up in
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  Speaker 3: their feelings on some things, things of that nature. But
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  Speaker 3: let's kind of see and see what kind of comes
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  Speaker 3: out of there.
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  Speaker 2: Need more.
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  Speaker 3: Cow Bell started things off as saying, now onto the
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  Speaker 3: transfer portal, going to need a bridge wide receiver, quarterback
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  Speaker 3: or two in some solid offensive lignment. I'll jump in
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  Speaker 3: quick about this bridge quarterback or whatever. I don't I
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  Speaker 3: think you get a body. But you know, we've kind
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  Speaker 3: of talked about it being a gunner hope Chris chugging off,
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  Speaker 3: you know, two point zero type of situation. You do
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  Speaker 3: want to sit there and have a continuation within your program,
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  Speaker 3: whether or not that's Julian saying or somebody else. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's nice to have, you know, the the experienced guy,
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  Speaker 3: but you're not going to be able to bring in
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  Speaker 3: a Will Howard and say, Okay, we're having you come in,
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  Speaker 3: and sure, we're gonna let you compete for the starting job,
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  Speaker 3: but we've kind of probably already made up our mind
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  Speaker 3: that we want to stay in house. I think offensive
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  Speaker 3: line makes absolute sense that they're going to need to
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  Speaker 3: get a couple. I think David Sanders, notwithstanding, regardless, you
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  Speaker 3: you still need probably two offensive linemen. The wide receiver situation,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think that if you can find the
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  Speaker 3: right guy, but you've got this guy, his name is
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  Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith, he's pretty good at football, and you know
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  Speaker 3: some other guys that you know, you're losing a Mecca
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  Speaker 3: book obviously is going to be a big loss. I
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  Speaker 3: think that as we, you know, kind of look at
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  Speaker 3: the list that need more Calvell put out there, I
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  Speaker 3: think I have wide receiver the lowest of the three positions,
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  Speaker 3: with offensive line, you know, offensive line one and offensive
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  Speaker 3: line two being at the top of my list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to take a couple offensive linemen. Even if, like,
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  Speaker 2: even if the unthinkable happens and you know, they flip
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  Speaker 2: David Sanders and it's just pandemonium, they're still going to
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  Speaker 2: go to the portal for one or two offensive lineman
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  Speaker 2: even at that point. So they're gonna take a couple
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  Speaker 2: offensive linemen. I agree they need a kicker. I could
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  Speaker 2: see a veteran running back. I could see a depth
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  Speaker 2: body at quarterback, but nothing that would be threatening to
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  Speaker 2: the other guys in the rooms. Again, a depth body there.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna want at least one pass rusher
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  Speaker 2: and then we'll see what happens in the secondary.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I think what the goal is going to be is
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  Speaker 2: to kind of not do what they did last year
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  Speaker 2: in terms of the amount of guys they had to
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  Speaker 2: do it with, but in terms of like Davis Niguanosen
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  Speaker 2: is trying like, hey, let's let's get you a nice
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  Speaker 2: little one year nil deal and try and keep you
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  Speaker 2: out of the NFL draft. So there's there's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: some of those conversations that happened to to try and
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  Speaker 2: keep some of their guys with eligibility left and that'll
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  Speaker 2: dictate a little bit what they do with the portal.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think there's gonna be I
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  Speaker 2: think they're gonna be very active in the portal. I
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  Speaker 2: think I think it's be more than just three or
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  Speaker 2: four like precision targets. I could see it being you know,
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  Speaker 2: six to eight maybe in the portal. I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: think they're gonna I think it's gonna be a significant
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  Speaker 2: ad in the portal. The other thing to kind of
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  Speaker 2: mention here, and this will play out in the coming weeks.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what. There's not a lot to really
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  Speaker 2: say about it right now other than it's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's fairly good news for Ohio State to here.
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  Speaker 2: Mathis did announce that he's not signing in the early window,
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  Speaker 2: and Ohio State has kept at that, as we kind
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  Speaker 2: of reported on the site, like they're going to still
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  Speaker 2: try us to hear Mathis London Merit was kind of
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  Speaker 2: a lost cause to Colorado, but they're going to continue
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  Speaker 2: to try Is to hear Mathis. So that's something to
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  Speaker 2: watch in the late window. He may end up back
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  Speaker 2: at Ohio State. I mean, Penn State's involved Colorado's also involved.
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  Speaker 2: Does Colorado want to fork up the money for London
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  Speaker 2: merit Ens to here Mathis? I don't know. You know,
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  Speaker 2: certainly there would be some value de penns aid and
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  Speaker 2: keeping someone like that close to home. But that's something.
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  Speaker 2: And then who else. You know, there's gonna be guys
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  Speaker 2: who you know, there's gonna be schools that got guys
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  Speaker 2: flipped from them today who are gonna be really desperate
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  Speaker 2: for DNS. There's gonna be a whole there's probably a
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  Speaker 2: whole new host of players involved there. But I do
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  Speaker 2: I do think that's gonna be worth watching in the
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  Speaker 2: late signing period because they would they would gladly take
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  Speaker 2: him back. And so we'll see. So if you end
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: up with you know, Satana le and and uh and
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Mathis and Zion Grady, I that's pretty good, right, I mean,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm being a homer by saying that's
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: pretty good. You've got your three, they're all very highly ranked.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: You know, you're you're essentially swapping out London Merit with EPI.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: So that's that's some pretty good damage control if that
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: works out that way. Now we'll again, we'll see what
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Mathis does. We'll see how things go between now and then.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: But seeing interesting note, I guess there is is just
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: again it's an interesting note and something to follow here
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: the next few weeks as we look at the late
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: signing window.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: Following up with CDSS, With all due respect to Larry Johnson,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: having two to commit de commits says something. I mean,
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Ohio State went from the last couple of years of
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: not hitting its number to you know, at one point
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: looked like it was in really good shape with its
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: defensive line recruiting. And then obviously the couple of names
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: that marked Minsted earlier with Mathis and with London Merritt
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: kind of took the the shine off of off of
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: the off the rose, if you will, for where they
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: were in that in that recruiting class. I mean, of course,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: it brings up the questions of what is the you know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: what is the future of Larry Johnson at Ohio State.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's not Benjamin Button, he's not getting any younger,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: but he also doesn't seem to be in any hurry
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: to retire. But I think we're going to have this
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: conversation every year. I mean, especially if somebody or somebody's
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: leave the class. Is this you know? Is this the
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: sign that he's leaving? Has he secretly let people know
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: that he's leaving? And is that why the classes is
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: falling apart?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't think that was the case here. I
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I've heard I have pretty relationships with some of the
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: guys that they've been recruiting at that position, and none
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: of them have indicated to me that Larry Johnson has
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: let them know that he's retiring. But you know, eventually
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: people are gonna be right. Eventually he's going to retire.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: So if you just every year, if you just say
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: this is the year Larry Johnson's going to retire, you're
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: eventually going to be right. But this hasn't been relayed.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Two guys like London maritors to hear mathis. So we'll
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: see again, We'll see where it goes. I'm not sitting
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: here saying, oh, they're definitely getting is he here? Mathis back?
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: But it is something worth watching. I do think it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: it's obviously a non zero chance. I think it's a
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: there's a chance there. So we'll see see how that goes.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Kind of follow whoever else doesn't sign, I mean most
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: guys are signing today or the ones that haven't signed
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: today or you know, probably gonna sign tomorrow or something.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: But you know, there will always be a few guys who,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: for one reason or another don't. So we'll see if
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: any of that makes sense for Ohio State as well.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Here once the once the dust settles, you know, the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: portal again that will open officially. What the ninth I
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: think is that, right? I think the transfer portal officially open.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Then everything is jammed into a small window now.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Right, so, like you know, contact rules and things like
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: that are are kind of still applying right now. You know.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I know one name that people were were very interested
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: in that announced he's gonna be in the portal is
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Micah Hudson, former five star wide receiver prospect was Ohio
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: State was was a finalist there, went to Texas Tech
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: announced today's entering the portal. I know that's going to
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: be a guy that Ohio State fans would really really
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: like to have. Uh, they'll kick the tires, I think.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know why they wouldn't, but I think the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: problem they're going to run into some problems there. And
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: one of the problems obviously is you've got Tate and
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith coming back and Brandon Ennis, you know, fully
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: expecting to jump into that slot role where he's played
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: well when he's got playing time. I don't know if
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you can disrupt that. And if you don't disrupt that,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: if you're not willing to disrupt that, I don't know
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna get Hudson. So, like, I think they're
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: in a tough spot there where I don't know they
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: can offer the that wide receiver one wide receiver two
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: role that he's probably looking for. And on top of that,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of course you're nil dollars, Like are those better spent
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: on bringing in another wide receiver or do you need
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to go I mean you need to go get a kicker,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: You need to go get some offensive lieman. You may
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: need a pass rusher, you may need a veteran running
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: back to pair with James Peoples. If when Shawn Jenkins
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: does what I think we all kind of expect him
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: to do. So there's gonna be a lot of things
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to take into account when you talk about someone like
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Micah Hudson. But we'll see where it goes. I'm not
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: going to like totally dismiss it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: And there's a kicker out of Eastern Michigan. I believe
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Jesus Guzman that everybody is ready for Ohio State to
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: uh link up with the Wexners or whoever the money
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: people are in Columbus at this point. You know, we'll we'll,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: we'll see on.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: On that one.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, Ohio State obviously was linked to the former
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Miami of Ohio kicker who ended up going to Alabama instead.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: You know, we can we can go back at generation
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and Bobby Bowden and you know, wide left and wide
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: right and everything else, and you kind of get what
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: you get when you don't have a scholarship kicker and
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Ohio State doesn't have a scholarship kicker, and it's you know, obviously,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: if Ohio State makes us two field goals, I think
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: we're talking about a different outcome. I mean, you don't know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you don't know how things are going to go when
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: when pressure is applied differently. But Ohio State absolutely has
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: to be willing to pay up for a kicker and
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: make that situation right because you know, Ohio State, I
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: think going into the game it only attempted ten field goals.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I think it was eight for eight or eleven. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: think they're eight for eleven going into the Michigan game,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: and that's probably not enough high pressure work for somebody
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: like that. And that's not to say that you should
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: settle for three. I mean, Ohio State did a very
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: good job of pushing on fourth down, one of the
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: most you know, most successful teams on fourth down this
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: past season. But they got to you gotta sit there
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: and whatever they say you got to be every unit
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: strong and special teams was not strong. Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: And you know, we talked about this on the website
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: during the week and or throughout this week, and the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: one thing I said, I think in today's environment, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: would recruit kickers and punters exclusively out of the transfer portal.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Unless you think you have some great eye for kicker
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: high school kicker talent, and you think you've got this
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: like no brainer, like grows a winner high school kickers.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: It is such a crapshoot to evaluate those guys. There
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: aren't a lot of college coaches who are actually any
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: good at it anyway. A lot of them are all
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: just following like the coals kicking lists and things like that.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: They're not even really doing their own evaluations anyway. I
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: would just exclusively use the portal, and I would go
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: out and I would just find guys who have already
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: proven they can do it, and get them for a
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: year or two as rentals and rinse and repeat. I
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: really think, I really think that's the way to attack
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the kicking game in today's environment. So we'll see what
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: they do. But I would be beyond stunned if they
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: didn't go out and try and get themselves a kicker
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: here this winter.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Right, And you know Ryan's Beard, Ryan Days Beard saying,
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: how is kicker a problem? I mean you sit there
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: and you I mean you try to, you know, maximize
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: your eighty five scholarships and you don't have a kicker
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: on scholarship, and you know that's kind of you know
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: what you get. I mean Ohio State even had turnover
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: just you know recently when when I lost Jesse Murco
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: to Vanderbilt. I mean, you don't know necessarily what you
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: can get. Let's hunting was fine, it wasn't great. I
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: mean Nick McClarty is here, the six seven Australian, he
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: was not ready. I mean, you have to sit there,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: it's not a here. Just kick this ball as far
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: as you can. You know, it's about hang time, it's
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: about a bunch of other little aspects that go into
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the punting game. I mean, the hope is is that
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: he is ready to go this next year and that
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: he can take over the reins from Joe maguire. But
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: as you know, as for kicker, Jane Fielding has his limitations.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: But you know, we're not talking about the NFL where
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: we're seeing you know, Bjork's and guys like that go
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: for sixty yards and and everything else. So you have
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to you have to sit there and take that in consideration.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: So I think I agree with Mark that you need
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to go to the portal route, find somebody who has
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: gone to the lab for a year or two at
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: a smaller school or whatever, and then pay up and profit.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just let everyone else do the trial
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and air stuff with high school kickers and just swoop
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: in and grab one every couple of years, every year,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: every two years, whatever you have to do. But you
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: can't you know, look, is anyone expecting like just fifty
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: five yard bombs at ninety percent success? No, But you've
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: gotta be acturate inside forty yards. You can't miss two
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: inside forty I mean those were chip shots on Saturday.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: You just you can't miss those. He's missed a few
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: of them this year before the Michigan game. Like, you
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: just have to be you have to be able to
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: find someone who, if nothing else, is deadly accurate inside
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: forty because you can't be losing games like that over
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: thirty four yard field goals. It's it's insanity. I go
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to high school games all the time. Kids are hitting
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: thirty five yard field goals Like it's it's not It's
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: not a tough ask. I don't think to be very
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: to be highly accurate inside forty yards. So they need
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: to they need to go find somebody can do that.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: And if they can drain the occasional fifty plus, all
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: the better. But you can't be losing games by missing
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: thirty five yard field goals.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Uh, Nico. This is I think back into into the
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Sanders question, why would you want to come to Ohio
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: State as an offensive lineman? Serious question. Look, Iiowa State
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: obviously has done a good job in developing some guys.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, when you're having to do you know, do
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: the you know the fire you know, the fireman's changed
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: throughout the whole situation, and and you're on your fourth
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: line of the season and everything else. I mean, people
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: will be like, look, they're not developing anybody. I mean,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: you've got guys playing their second, their third position of
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: the year. There's a lot going on there. I mean,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: and if you're an offensive lineman and you're looking at
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: going to Ohio State, I mean, Ohio State's development is
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: pretty good. Ohio State also has an opportunity that if
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: you're a top lineman, you kick it out there on
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: the field pretty soon because the line the line room
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: is not necessarily lined up.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look like I've been super critical of offensive line
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: recruiting for a long time now. You know, first it
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: was Ed Warner, who I thought was a pretty good
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: offensive line coach, but I kind of mentioned over the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: years how it put a lot of strain on on
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Urban Meyer and the regional assistance guys like Mike Rabel
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: and Tom Herman, to name a couple, who were really
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: having to carry a lot of the weight on the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: recruiting trail. Not so much that Ed was didn't want
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: to do it. I still think he was very good
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: at it, kind of a rough personality, and I think
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: his players liked him more than recruits did. Then stud
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: came in and I've beat that horse to death. But
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: obviously I didn't think that was good enough. And I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: don't think what FRI's done on the recruiting trail is
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: good enough. He's obviously he's the One thing he has
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: done is he has stabilized Ohio a little bit. It
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: sounds silly, but there was a very long period of
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: time that wasn't all that long ago that Ohio state
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: was having trouble getting the in state kids. You know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: you're missing on Jackson Carmen and Zeke Correll and JD.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Du Plaine and Blake Miller and you're just it's it's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: just miss miss miss, miss miss all over the place
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: for Ohio kids. To Fry's credit, he's done a pretty
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: good job in Ohio. He's getting the guys in Ohio
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: that they prioritize. So that's an improvement. He has to
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: get credit for Josh Simmons, who's going to be a
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: first round pick. I mean it very clearly is getting
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: first round feedback from NFL, and you know you can
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: sell that. You can sell Dwan Jones having a really
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: good career. I know, got the injury that we feel
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: horrible for him, But Dwan Jones has played above his
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: draft level. Harris Johnson's obviously doing very well, and you've
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: got again, you've got Josh Simmons probably going in the
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: first round here. So I think I don't think you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: don't have anything to sell. Like I think you have
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: some things to sell. And when you combine that with
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to compete for national championships, to get a
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: competitive NILD, and to play early because there's not a
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: lot of guys in front of you, I do think
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: there's enough ingredients there that you know there should be plenty.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: You've got a lot to work with. Okay, and I've
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: said this a million times. I guess you'll probably hear
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: me say it a million times more the next five months.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Twenty twenty six is teed up. There are zero excuses.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Ohio is loaded. You've got kids from out of state
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: who are super, super interested. You've got a great depth
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: chart to sell. You've got exciting skill players to come
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in with and play with, like, you've got quarterbacks you're
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: gonna want to block for. This is This is no
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: excuse for Justin Frye in twenty six to not land
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: an elite offensive blind class, like one of the two
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: or three best in the country. If he doesn't do that,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: he has failed miserably.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean the thing is is that I
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: think with several of these kids being in state kids,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: that there will already be you know, pre prejudiced against
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: by some Ohio State fans because well, those are the
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: guys that you're supposed to land, those are the those
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: are the layups, those are the in state guys. I mean,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: dare I even say, well, some people say, well, they're
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: probably not even all that good if they're from Ohio,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: but you know, look at their offer list and look
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: at who's chasing them down is look at who Ohio
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: State is going after in twenty six. Yeah, if they
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: cannot get if they cannot put this twenty six class together,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, then they're never going to be able to
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: get the class put together under the regime. So they've
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: got to get this right. I mean, honestly, you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: he's he needs to be on you know, on electronic
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: communication with them within the NC two A rules tonight,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, and every night. I mean, it
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: just needs to it just needs to happen. But I'm
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: seeing more and more fan bases complain about the recruiting
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: out of their offensive line coach. Even even Tennessee fans
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: are unhappy with the recruiting efforts of their O line coach.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: School that Ohio State is competing with for David Sanders,
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the school that Ohio State will probably end up losing
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: out to on David Sanders, and they're not happy with
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: their online coach. So I'm convinced that there's probably five
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: offensive line coaches nationally who can recruit, and then yes,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: how many of that, how many of them are great developers?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, it is the one position where it seems
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: to lend itself to like some gruff personalities who are
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: not always tremendous recruiters, like there are not you can
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: you can trip over a good like recruiters like a
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: like all running backs coaches or tend to be good recruiters,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: even like tight ends coaches seem to be. It seems
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: to be a place where where coach where head coaches stash,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: are really good recruiter because you know, tight ends coaches,
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of bottom of the totem poll on
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: the assistant coaching staff. So, uh, there's there is something
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: to it where there's not a ton of great offensive
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: line coaches who are also great recruiters. I mean, it's
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: sometimes you get one or the other, but they are
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: out there and they do exist, and I think Ohio
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: State should be able to find some type of balance
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: where you're you're able to bring in high level talent.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Those five star kids got to go somewhere. So, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Tennessee specifically, I can kind of see that. I mean,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: they lost Douglas, you two, the five star from out
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: of out of Vegas, who's just a specimen. They lost
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: him kind of late in the process. I've watched Tennessee
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a lot this year. I think their offensive lines started
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: to struggle a little bit down the stretch here in
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: protecting their quarterback. So I can see how a fan
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: base who, let's say is very passionate like Tennessee's would
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: would start to lose patients. And now you're going through
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: this perceived drama with David Sanders Junior, which may end
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: up being nothing for them. But so I can see
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: why they're a little bit on edge having you know,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you think having is to hear Mathis and London Merrit
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: was was, you know, and then losing them was bad.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Imagine having Douglas you too, and David Sanders and losing
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: both of them, that would be like that would be
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: like break the glass like emergency moment there over in Knoxville.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: So it is what it is. But they, yeah, they
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: have to do a better job in twenty six. And
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't really know. I was someone was
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: asking about Damola Aggie dahaneh the Georgia Tech commit who
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: flipped to South Carolina today. Uh, I don't know that
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: David Sanders re and if they, let's put this way,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: if David Sanders signs with Tennessee as we kind of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: expect him to, I don't know that that resurgence there
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: helped them or did them any favors with Domola Like
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: that was you get David Sanders back in the picture
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: and you kind of have to almost pause everything else.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: And I think that hurt them. I also think South
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Care he was probably more valuable to South Carolina than
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: certainly to Ohio State, but but maybe even to Georgia Tech.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, South Carolina is not playing around right now.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: They're they're making some serious business deals right now. So
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: you know, they were they were a threat. We kind
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of mentioned it a week or two ago, like, hey, like,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you know, is he gonna flip to Ohio stations are
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: gonna stick with Scorgia Tech's as well. He's probably gonna
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: stick with Georgia Tech. But don't you know, South Carolina
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: is coming too, So it's kind of a three teamer.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And they were able to pull surprise today, so we'll see.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: But yeah, they got they got to portal this offseason
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: and kind of fill some gaps and then they gotta
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: they really gotta, really got to pick it up on
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: the high school offensive line recruiting trail.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Going to go about another twenty minutes or so. I
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: want to thank everybody who is watching us right now,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Jackie Hale. Ohio State is becoming a place where players
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: come in as five stars and leave his three stars.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: We aren't We just aren't developing.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I think that there's a case by case type of situation,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: and you know, you can go back to and I
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: can a five star that didn't play like a five star.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: He kind of like regained his career as a senior,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: but even then was platooning and that was Curtis Grant.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: I mean Curtis Grant came in as a five and
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: it just didn't necessarily work out. And not every five
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: star is going to work out. But you know, I
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: think there are some guys that, you know, you have
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: to want to be developed, and that's not I'm not
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: pointing out people and say, well they didn't you know,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: they didn't maximize their times, but you know, you don't know.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, some guys have a lot of a lot
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: of room for development, and some guys come in pretty
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: maxed out. So you know, I don't think that Ohio
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: State has some sort of like Scarlett letter so to
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: speak around its neck about not developing players. I just
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: think that it's a case of you, you know, a
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: lot of it is work that you have to do
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: on your own. Coaches are only with you so much.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: There's you know, their their attention is split amongst eighty
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: five scholarship players and everything else. And I think it's
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: a little I think the statement is a little little overreaching,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: is what I'll say.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's still there's still at the top
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of the list year over year in terms of NFL draft.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I mean they're still sending a lot of guys in
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the NFL they're getting a lot of guys drafted in
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the first round. Some positions obviously are better than others
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: for sure, and I know there's a lot I think
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I think right now it's driving that mindset that that
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: thought process is that they kind of brought in that
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: massive defensive line class, and look, if those guys were
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: all four star recruits, I think everyone would be okay
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: with how those careers played out at Ohio State. But
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: they weren't. There were some five stars in there, and
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: they haven't developed into those you know, top ten type
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: of draft picks that I think people were hoping they
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: would be. And so I think, look, there's some definite
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: truth to that, But as a whole across the roster,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're putting quarterbacks in the first round.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: You're putting you know, you put Paris Johnson in the
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: first which obviously Paris is a freak, but you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: you're putting receivers in the first round. Defensive backs. I
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: think they're gonna have some first round defensive backs coming up,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I think again, I think I
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: wouldn't take what's happened without like twenty twenty one class,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: especially like there's been a few guys, yeah that they've
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: they've been more of more of a four star impact
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: than a five star impact. But I wouldn't take that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: out on the entire program or roster. I think I
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: think development's still pretty good at most positions at Ohio State. Obviously,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: there are some glaring examples of guys who haven't quite
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: lived up to it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Let me get here, we get another one from cow Bell.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Rosters and recruiting and so fluid you get on campus
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: for a trial, but Oregon spending dead presidents like it's
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Vegas night at a double A meeting. I don't even
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: know what to say to that one. Bill Knight has
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: made it abundantly clear that he he is not going
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: to allow Oregon to fall behind due to lack of resources. Now,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: when we were on the ground in Oregon this year
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: for the game, there were Oregon fans who got all indignant,
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: don't put all of this on Phil Knight. We've got
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: lots of donors or whatever. I think that they were
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: afraid of the stigma of it just being one guy
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: driving the bus or whatever, which it's not. I mean,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I'll be the first one to admit it, but Phil
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: Knight is getting up there in years. He's got to
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: be approaching eighty or something, I would figure, and he
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: wants to see an Oregon national championship in football, and
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: you can't take it with you. So he's making sure
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: that Oregon has money in its NIL collective whatever it
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: may be called Duck something or other. I'm willing to bet.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: And yeah, they're spending those dead presidents, I'll say that.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: But we saw Texas A and M when NIL first
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: kind of became a thing, and it did it wrong
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: and it didn't work. And I'm not saying that that's
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: what's happening at Oregon by any stretch. Oregon is having
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: success this year. But just because you're you're spending the
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: dough doesn't mean that you're reaping the rewards.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: No, Obviously, you've got to spend it wisely. And look,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's gonna around the country is going
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: to feel sorry for Ohio State when it comes to
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: NIL or money or resources. So it's just gonna be
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: one of those things, like you guys, just you're not
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: going to get sympathy from other fan bases. Ohio State
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: has a lot of resources itself, and I think they're
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: a little bit more practical maybe than some other schools
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: like A and M in Miami that we've just seen
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: just kind of go nuts and not even really put
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: any thought into building a roster, whereas Ohio State seems
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: to assign value to certain players, certain guys, and they
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: kind of have their their limit and that's what they'll
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: that's what they'll pay for a certain player or a
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: certain position or whatever. It might be. Almost run more
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: like an NFL front office than a just like a
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: free for all shopping spree. So it's different ways of
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: going about it. Oregon is going to be a problem though,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And I said that before. I said that right when
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: they started, when it was announced that they were coming
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: in the league. I said, don't be surprised if a
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: world evolves where Ohio State is going to have to go,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: whether it's in Indianapolis or whether it's in Eugene or
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Columbus is going to have to go through Oregon to
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: win a Big Ten championship, you know, on a relatively
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: yearly basis basically, And so it's not shocking me. Dan
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Lanning is really good. I don't think this works without
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Dan Lanning being a really good recruiter too. Phil Knight
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: didn't just wasn't born yesterday. He's been funneling money into
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that program for a long time. And they've always been
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: pretty good in national recruiting. You always had to take
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: them seriously in national recruiting. Now they're doing it at
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: an even more elite level. And I think Dan Lanning
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: deserves a lot of credit for that because he was
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: he was an elite recruiter at Georgia. He's bringing that
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: sec mindset.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: So I mean, you're going to have to sit there
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: and recruit against Oregon in a different type of way
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: because Ohio State and Michigan really don't recruit the same kids.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to turn this into Ohio State
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: versus Michigan battle. I'm saying more of a matter of
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: they just don't recruit the same kids. So people think that,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: oh well, Ohio State has to approach or Michigan differently
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: on the recruiting trail. They don't really overlap, but Ohio
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: State and Oregon are going to overlap a lot so
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: that you're going to have to sit there and figure
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: out a way to recruit against them. And I'm not
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: necessarily throwing negative recruiting out there or anything like that.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: But they are. They're going to be a very real problem.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: And when you sit there and you look at go
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: and Brew and Trey McNutt and Naim offered and even
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: to another you know, a lesser extent to Corey and
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Moore all ending up at at Oregon instead of you know,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Ohio State, where you know, Ohio State maybe a couple
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: few years ago would have landed two, three, all four
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: of them, you know, I don't know, it's I mean,
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: they're going to have to approach how how they go
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: after them differently, because honestly, in terms of Big ten recruiting,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Ohio State really recruits against the SEC. It does not
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: recruit against a lot of Big ten schools. I mean,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: if you go out east, Ohio State and Penn State
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: are generally recruiting for Eastern seaboard kids or whatever. But
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: you don't see a lot of classic Ohio State Michigan
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: state battles. You don't see a lot of classic Ohio
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: State Wisconsin battles. I mean, especially once Wisconsin dried up
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit in terms of what was coming out
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: of the state, out of the state or Minnesota. I
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: mean koy Perrich being you know, kind of the outlier
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: for you know, staying home and going to Minnesota. So
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, we'll see people are saying, I'm
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: talking about Dan Landing in the NFL. We people love
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to talk about that, but we don't see a great
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: amount of success of people going from college to the
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: pros and it necessarily working out.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Landing strikes me a bit more as a college guy.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I just I don't know how that energy would play
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: in the NFL with like twenty eight year olds. He is.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I think he's really good for like getting his team
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: amped up, and just the energy and the confidence he
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: has over a seventeen game season with grown men millionaires
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: making more than him. I don't know. I'm not sure.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not doubting him. I'm just not like I don't
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: look at him and say, oh yeah, definitely definitely NFL there.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, But I do know that the job
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: of a college coach is now become ridiculously year round.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: It's become beyond football. Uh. And these guys are burning
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: out younger, they're retiring younger, they're jumping ship to o
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: their places quicker because it gets it gets stale and
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: it wears on you. So who knows, you know, as
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: far as landing. I mean, I'll never sit here and say, oh,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be in college forever, because I just know
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: what the landscape is. I know that. I know that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Like for like Ryan Day as an example, like he
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: used to basically get a good chunk of the month
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: of May off. He takes some vacations with his family
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: in May, and now he spends his month of May
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: doing fundraisers, has nothing to do with football. He's doing
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: nil fundraisers and speaking engagements and you know, you know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: dancing like a little circus monkey for everybody at these
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: uh you know, at these get togethers. So it's it's
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: a much different lifestyle. And we'll see if the NCAA
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: or whoever it is, can you know, whoever's in power
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: in the next couple of years, can rain some of
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: this stuff in and give us a real calendar where
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the transfer portal and signing day aren't taking place in
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the middle of big of a conference championship weekend, slash
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, which is just insane to me. This is
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: like free It's like at the NFL started free agency
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: in January, just like it's it's insane to me. So
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: they've got to clean up their calendar.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty ridiculous of how the how tone def
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: the n C two A is with its calendar, and
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: it's just like, well, just throw it all in December
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: and you know, figure out if it if it works,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: just do a little housekeeping and some things in the
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: chat that I'm not going to punch up. I got
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: another chat question to get to as we're going to
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: take this to the bottom of the hour. Dave Portnoy.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: David Portnoy, who I don't think is the barschool. Portnois
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: talking about getting a soccer player. If that were if
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: it were that easy about just getting a soccer player
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: to be your kicker, everybody would do it. I know.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: We hear stories of schools doing it having success. We
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: hear the ones that are successful. We don't hear the
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: stories of the ones that are not successful. I think
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: it's just best to go out and get somebody who's
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: been doing this for real for a couple of years
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: via the portal and I want to see and then
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: there's just of course questions about Megaslow wants to know
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: about David Sanders We talked about that earlier in the show.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Not signing today, I'll throw it to Mark. Yeah, not
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: signing today. Ohio State Again, a little funny business this morning,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: kind of reminding David that that left tackle position is
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: going to be open. With the very well timed Josh
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Simmons NFL announcement. Again, my instinct is he's going to
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: sign with Tennessee still, but they're gonna, you know, they're
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: gonna keep swinging swinging the bat until they're out of strikes.
• 48:58
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• 49:04
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• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Abillity, m grib talk. Let's talk mcribs for a few minutes.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: My goodness, I have not got there yet. There it is,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: eat ten. I'm being challenged to eat ten mcribs in
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: a sitting. Yeah, that's we don't have medical.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Don't do it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: I had to and that was a lot. Uh, it's fine.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: You know, my three year old's at dance class right
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: now and they always bring something bad, like the one
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: night of the week we actually don't eat, like, we
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: don't cook here generally speaking, and she loves her her
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: little uh McDonald's chicken nuggets and apple slices. And everything,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and so I'm secretly hoping I got a text here
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: in the next thirty minutes that like, hey, we're bringing
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: home dinner. I'm like, oh, yeah, go to that. Yeah,
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Vivian wants McDonald's. Okay, great, let's have McDonald's. Give me
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: two mcribs. I haven't had a kicken nugget. Have my
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: guilty pleasure to one thing. I'm embarrassed about that I
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: eat that, I that I like, Like, I'm it's embarrassing
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to admit that I love those things. They're so good.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: David Portnoy, who still hasn't identified as being the real
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: David Portnoy, says mcgribs aren't real meat. Don't eat it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: It's some sort of meat. I'm not saying it's necessarily
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: to me. To me, I mean it may not be pig,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: but I mean it's still good. I'm just disappointed I
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: did not buy the jug of the sauce. The sauce
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: is what makes it. Quick story then a billy two's
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: I promised to get to your question, went out, got
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: my usual two mcribs to kind of kick off mcribs season.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: You eat too, You're so disgusted with yourself that you
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: don't eat anymore, you're fine making it a year two,
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: I mean around July, I'm like, man, I'd really like
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: a McRib, but it passes. So I get the first one.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: It's fine, it's good. The second one, I think, I
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: think somebody ordered one without sauce, and then they just
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: gave it to me, and the sauce makes the difference.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: I will say that the pickles and onions are very good,
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: but with out the without the sauce, I was going
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: back to the box or the other one and trying
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: to smear the runoff sauce on it, just to give
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: it some flavor. So that's a fun sure story picture.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Think at that in my head. Yeah, I I haven't
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: had it yet. I don't know when they're going to
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: stop it, so I should probably get out there and
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: and snatch one here precien. But like I said, maybe
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: I'll get the text that uh, my three year old
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: wants a happy meal or something on our way home
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: from dance, and we can we can make that happen.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: So it happens here. I'll update everybody later what happened.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: But yeah, we we Uh that's that's always a joke
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: on the road too. Kevin and I are occasionally on
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: the road together on the mcribs out there like a
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: bunch of slobs and eat our mcribs in the in
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: the rental car and feel really bad about ourselves. But
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: you know, I guess my theory is that if I
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: don't look at the nutrition facts, then it's it's probably
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: healthy if I just don't look at them, right, I.
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  Speaker 3: Mean, I think that's a safe way of approaching things.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: I've made it fifty three years without looking at the
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: nutritional values of anything. So I've also been better versions
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: of myself than I am today. But I digress. Billy Tuesday,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: David Sanders Junior doesn't seem like a kid who would
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: play these games with his recruiting, and no he's not
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: a not a game player. But you know, you're making
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: a very real decision. And I understand that you could
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: portal in a year or a month or a week
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: if you're if you're Julian saying or whatever, things change.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: But you know, I would rather somebody slow it down
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  Speaker 3: a day or two and get it right, then stick
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: to some artificial timeline and get it wrong.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: And look, this is the new reality. David Sanders wherever
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: he goes is we're talking seven figures, like he's going
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: to make seven figures whichever school he picks. We assume
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be Tennessee, but it's it's one. He's he's
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: going to get a million dollars plus. So there's a
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: lot of anxiety that would that would that would cause
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: me at you know, I'm going to be forty here
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: at the end of the month. That would cause me
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: a ton of anxiety at forty. I can't imagine myself
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: at eighteen years old trying to weigh million dollar offers
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  Speaker 2: and you know, having to the pressure of making that
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  Speaker 2: decision and knowing what my next four years could look
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: like if I don't make the right decision. And it's
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: just it's it's just it's I can't really wrap my
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: brain around it. So I understand why these guys down
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: the stretch here, when this really the pressure really gets
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: applied from a lot of different directions. I understand why
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: it's difficult to kind of get to that final hurdle
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: in that final decision.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: And there's you know, there's really, you know, a very
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: real line between being a game player and screwing around
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: and everything else. And really being conflicted or wanting to
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: make sure you're making the right choice. And you know,
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: I think it's easy for us to sit there and
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: see anybody who takes it a day or two days
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: or ten days or throw prior days or j T
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  Speaker 3: twomoloow days beyond the perceived deadline as oh, they're just
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: being flipant about this, they're not taking it seriously or whatever,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: when probably taking it very seriously and wanting to make
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: sure that you make the right decision. And as Mark said,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of dollars in play here and
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: everything else, regardless if they are coming from Tennessee or
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Ohio state. So to Billy's point, I don't think that
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: he is playing playing any sort of games. I just
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: think that he's trying to make sure that he does
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: it right. I mean, we have the opportunity to not
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: only spend some time with him during Southern Swing, but
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: his family as well. And you know, it seems like
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: a very strong family unit that they probably have a
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: lot of discussions around the kitchen table and things like that.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone asked the chat if he was at
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the Michigan game. He did not come back for the
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Michigan High State game.
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: Now. But I will say I'll say this about going,
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: people will be like, well, that should have been you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: that should have been the telling thing if he if
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: he discovered everything that he needed to discover at the
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: Indiana game, there really was no reason to come back. Now,
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: of course, we can have revisionist history and be like, well,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: he had already decided prior to that game that he
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: was going to stick with Tennessee or whatever. You know,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I mean, maybe maybe not, but I
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: didn't view it as a an obleep moment for them
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: that they weren't you know that they were absolutely drawing
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: dead at that point because he didn't come back.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I agreed.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, hoops hits one. Honestly, these guys are better
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: than any other team site on one degree of separation
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: from Buckeye hood. And I keep coming back for the content.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you need more, cow Bell. We really enjoy all
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: the content we do. I mean we we do. We
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: do a lot on the on on YouTube, but certainly
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: you know, we want to make sure that we drive
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: people to do Buckeye Huddle as well. That's where you
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: can get us. I'm not going to say twenty four
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: to seven. You know, we do need to sleep at
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: some points. But how about somebody on staff is going
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: to be there at least eighteen hours, I mean not
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: the same person, maybe me, I don't know, but you'll
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: you'll likely catch up to one of us there over
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: on the huddle board presented by Jeff Ruby, Columbus. So
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: you know, give give us a look. Four ninety nine
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: a month, not a big deal even for you, David Portnoy.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: You you can join us there. You already sat there
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: and said that why would you support an Ohio state
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: site when you're a Michigan fan. Because we're awesome and
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: we're cool.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I mean people put billboards in enemy territory all the time, right,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: I mean we see all sorts of you know, you
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: can you control us? Still we'll take the money anyway.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, well to an, I mean we have a problem.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Back to my previous two locations ago of where I worked,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: and we would have people who would sign up and
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: then just be absolute horses butts and that doesn't work.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: But you know, we well he's I think he's talking
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: about the advertising. I was told advertising play billboards and
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: enemy territory all the time.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: You know, we could sit there and get like, you know,
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: an advertisement for I don't know and how I love
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: you know whatever, Jarry Tall or whatever. I'm fine with that,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: So kind of go from there. But we are, we
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: are closing in on an hour. I've got to get
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: on another show at nine o'clock. But any you know,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: any final thoughts on on you know, this will not
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: be the end of our conversation about this recruiting class,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: but any final thoughts on where things stand? Uh here
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: at seven thirty one pm Eastern time.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for anyone who came in late. Obviously, still a
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: few moving parts still out there. Jarquis Carter announcing tomorrow,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: signing tomorrow at his high school with their ceremony. Indications
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: are that they're going to Ohio State is going to
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: hold on to him. Talk to some O high stats
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: sources this evening about it. Not not a high level
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: of concern there. So everyone's kind of trusting each other
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: on that one. David Sanders, there's talk about him signing tomorrow.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: We'll see. I tend to believe he's going to pick
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Tennessee at this point, but Ohio State is gonna again,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: They're going to keep swinging until their last breath on
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: that one. Zahir Mathis is not going to sign at
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: all in the early windows, so there's a chance Ohio
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: State can continue to work that one all the way
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: through the first all the way till the first week
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: of February, and there's a chanceing they're they're actively trying,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: So who knows. Maybe there's a the rare recommitment and
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: it does happen occasionally, So we'll see about that. That's
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: really about it right now. I know people asking about
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Josh Petty, and look, I'm not going to take that
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: one granted. I'm going to continue to see if I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: can find out anything. But the person I talked to
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: this evening before he jumped on here indicated that everyone
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: everyone down there is indicating that he's just he is
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: going to sign with Georgia Tech. Now. I don't know
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: why it's delayed. I need to get kind of get
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: to the bobbing some of that. I don't know why
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: he didn't sign when he was supposed to, but everyone
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: down there seems to think it's going to be Georgia
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: Tech still. So we'll keep an eye on all that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: stuff and grow updates up on the website as as
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: they're available.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my final thought is that they I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: think they filled a lot of needs in this class.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, I think you'd like to see a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: little bit more at edge rusher, you know, defensive end
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: type of situations. I think that the linebacker class looks
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: really good. I think even with the losses in the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: defensive backfield, it's still a pretty solid class. I mean
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: I think I think if you just sit there and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: say I'm going to give you the Devin Sanchez and
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: Peen Delaine, I'm going to be like sold, sold, I'm
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: good there. I think receiver is probably better than anybody
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: really realizes at this point. I mean, they didn't get
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: a Jamie Franch or Coreyan Moore or somebody like that.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: But I think that when you look at the sum
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: of the parts, it's a good class. There they go
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: and get themselves three running backs. I mean, you go
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: out and get yourself the top quarterback in the in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: the class according to a lot of the rankings with
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: Tavian Saint Clair. So you know, I think that I
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: think that there would be a lot more excitement if
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: Ohio State were coming off of a win instead of
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: a loss on the football field, and there's just going
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: to be a lot of you know, a lot of concerns,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: you know, moving forward of you know, there's Ohio State
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: recruiting the wrong guys or whatever. I don't think it's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: the case. I just think that when they get to
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: that Michigan game that they just need to sit there
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: and close their eyes or something and not see the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: winged helmets. Because we're starting to get into some sort
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: of Cooper you know, Cooper esque Orwellian hellscape right now
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: of where Ohio State is the better team on paper
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: around betting odds and everything else and just can't get
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: it done.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and seeing a few questions about the portal as
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: us cleared up real quick before you sign off here,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: minderstandings and transfer portal opens up officially on December ninth
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: in terms of contact, and you know when real when
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: the real action can start a lot of these things.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Right now are players announcing their intention to enter the
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: transfer portal. So December ninth, I think is when the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: when the action gets going there. And yes, we will
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: be doing Transfer Portal episodes throughout the month of December,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: and you know, as long as the windows open, we'll
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: be on top of things, uh with with portal movement,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: So appreciate everyone joining us here. It's been a long
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: day for us. I'm sure it's been a long day
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: for you guys. I know the diehards are out there
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: following this stuff from seven o'clock in the morning, So
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: we appreciate you joining us here this evening and keep
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: it locked in with us here the next day or
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: two because there's still some some meat left on the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: bone here with with some guys out there, so we'll
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: see what happens. You