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Furness Show 11-24: Seahawks win reaction with Hugh Millen, Mike Sando · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Hardcore Football on Mondays at one o'clock with our good
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  Speaker 1: friend Hugh Millan, who joins us right now. Hello, sir,
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  Speaker 1: how are you?
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  Speaker 3: I'm well?
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I don't know where to start
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  Speaker 1: this thing. The Let me ask you a general question
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  Speaker 1: about this game in this sense, because I was talking
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  Speaker 1: to with the MJ in the mid day just moments ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I think maybe I don't know. I know how
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  Speaker 1: I kind of felt going looking at this thing beforehand,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe it showed at times on the field it
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  Speaker 1: was like, Okay, you're playing a one to nine team,
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  Speaker 1: You're coming off that emotional, heartbreaking loss last seconds to
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  Speaker 1: the Rams. You're going toe to toe with arguably the
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  Speaker 1: best team in football, and you fall barely short. But no,
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  Speaker 1: you can play with them. You're sitting there with a
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  Speaker 1: seven and three record. You're really good. Everything's great. Now
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  Speaker 1: you have to go across the country, second straight road
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  Speaker 1: game against the one to nine Titans, a quarterback who
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  Speaker 1: had the thirty third rated completion percentage in the NFL
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  Speaker 1: thirty two teams. Keep that in mind, and out of
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  Speaker 1: thirty four qualifiers in cam Ward and it ends up
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  Speaker 1: being a little close. Do you think that there's a
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  Speaker 1: mental aspect to that? Get at all, Hugh, going across
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  Speaker 1: the country and all the things I just described.
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  Speaker 3: Everything you just just touched, you know, ten Am, they've
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  Speaker 3: been good at that. I look at it like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: if we had talked back in August and we said
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  Speaker 3: that the Seahawks are going to be at this stage
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  Speaker 3: eight and three after eleven games, and the three losses
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  Speaker 3: are against playoff teams, So look at all the teams
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  Speaker 3: that you've had to play that are not play I mean,
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  Speaker 3: your only win against a playoff team right now it
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  Speaker 3: is Jacksonville because Pits is narrowly out of it and
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  Speaker 3: Houston is narrowly out of it. Right So, if I
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  Speaker 3: had told you that you're not going to have an
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  Speaker 3: upset to any of the non playoff teams, and in fact,
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  Speaker 3: in just about every game, not only gonna step on
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  Speaker 3: the Adams Apple from the jump. I mean, think of
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  Speaker 3: how Seattle has been I mentioned Jacksonville, but against Arizona,
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  Speaker 3: against New Orleans, I mean, they have put things away
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  Speaker 3: really early, and so they've taken care of business. And
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  Speaker 3: if I had told you that, well, one of them,
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  Speaker 3: you're going to be in control. But you know the
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  Speaker 3: opposition is going to score with forty five seconds to
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  Speaker 3: go backdoor cover. Yeah, maybe a two on a nail
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  Speaker 3: on your nails for the on side kick, but other
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  Speaker 3: than an on side kick, you're not really gonna be
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  Speaker 3: nerve about it. I don't know I would have signed
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  Speaker 3: up for that. Yeah, I think So that means no losses. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: in no, you're not being up quote unquote upset in
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  Speaker 3: any of those.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and we're we're now in the midst of college
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  Speaker 1: football playoff time and we're looking at you know, wins,
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  Speaker 1: right and losses and what's a bad loss, what's a
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  Speaker 1: good win? All those types of things that they come
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  Speaker 1: into play, and you know, you can't afford what you
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  Speaker 1: just said, bad losses. Now, college football is not the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's a good compare. Like you said,
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  Speaker 1: you're beating the teams you should beat, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: the way this got. You can't control the way the
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  Speaker 1: schedule sets up because the way the you know, frankly,
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  Speaker 1: the way the schedule set up before the season. Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 1: on the road, tough game, right, that'd be a hard game.
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  Speaker 1: Washington's coming off a division championship last year. You annihilate them.
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  Speaker 1: That's not your fault that they're not as good as
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  Speaker 1: last year. I mean, so you've done what you need
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  Speaker 1: to do. I think it's important. And I know you
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  Speaker 1: were on the offensive side of the football. But Mike
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  Speaker 1: McDonald in that last possession, so you know, the Seahawks
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  Speaker 1: have that, you know, the full thirteen point lead, and
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  Speaker 1: they get the ball back this Tennessee with five oweight
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  Speaker 1: to go, and they end up going and Hugh, this
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  Speaker 1: cannot be how you would draw it up if for Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: But it's exactly I'm assuming how Mike McDonald would want
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  Speaker 1: it to go. A fifteen play, sixty two yard drive
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  Speaker 1: for a touchdown at least just forty three seconds and
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  Speaker 1: no timeouts left on the clock. That Mike McDonald's probably
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  Speaker 1: okay with that, wouldn't he been? Uh? I mean, not
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  Speaker 1: giving up a touchdown. But it's like you're you're kind
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  Speaker 1: of giving stuff up, but you're not sure you're not
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  Speaker 1: letting them get a big play, and all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden having a better chance. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he would have said, if
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  Speaker 3: given three grades, you know, he said, that's the middle one,
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  Speaker 3: we accomplish the objective with almost extinguishing the clock. Wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have been happy. I don't think he's ever gonna be
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  Speaker 3: happy giving up a touchdown. But you know what, you
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  Speaker 3: put a athletic quarterback that was the number one overall pick,
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  Speaker 3: who is a talent he's got. He's got a big
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  Speaker 3: time arm talent. I think he's got very, very, very
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  Speaker 3: plus traits in terms of his pocket navigation when the
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  Speaker 3: play gets off script. I wouldn't give him great grigades
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  Speaker 3: yet for operating, you know, really in a timely funk,
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  Speaker 3: professional function. But I think he's got such a bad
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  Speaker 3: team around him. Yeah, it forces him to playoff script,
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  Speaker 3: and he's got a real feel for navigating pockets and
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  Speaker 3: looking for big plays and and you know, he's not
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  Speaker 3: twitchy like Kyler Murray, but he's pretty damn athletic. And
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  Speaker 3: he's stronger than Kyler Murray, so he can break through
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  Speaker 3: a couple of arm tackles here and there, and so
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  Speaker 3: I think he can be a load. And and you know,
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  Speaker 3: he had some runs, you know, again and again on
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  Speaker 3: fourth down, you know, extending plays or the ability to
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  Speaker 3: run and pick up the first down himself. So give
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  Speaker 3: him some credit. I mean, he's the number one overall
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  Speaker 3: pick in the draft. And and and by the way,
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  Speaker 3: not even close, right, there was no drama to that pick.
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  Speaker 3: He was he was he was clearly the number one.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know, I just personally, I've been on
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  Speaker 3: really bad teams. I've been on really good teams, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Cowboys during their their heyday and through their dynasty,
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  Speaker 3: and even the best teams are going to have a
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  Speaker 3: game where it's you know, not every opponent is UC Davis.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even under quite honestly, I don't even understand it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there was enough guys out yesterday emotionally that
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  Speaker 3: that touchdown. Getting back to cam Ward made the comment
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  Speaker 3: earlier that touchdown when he ran and remember he kind
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  Speaker 3: of got upended on it, that that defense was so
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  Speaker 3: flat into emotionally, they everybody's pad level was way too high.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody was catching blocks. It was kind of like why
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  Speaker 3: don't you make the play? You know, nobody was flying
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  Speaker 3: to the ball. I mean, but the score was thirty
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  Speaker 3: to ten in the third quarter, and so I think
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  Speaker 3: that they were just kind of like, let's just get
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  Speaker 3: this thing to h to double zero and.
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  Speaker 1: Get out of here.
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  Speaker 3: And and it kind of showed on some of the drives,
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  Speaker 3: which gives Mike McDonald an opportunity to put it on
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  Speaker 3: tape and and say, you know, as opposed to it,
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  Speaker 3: had they had they had a game like the Washington
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  Speaker 3: Commander game, right, and everybody's just going, oh, Seattle's back
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  Speaker 3: and then surging them in the power and then now
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  Speaker 3: everybody's you know, back to throwing bouquets at at the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 3: Then now you got to say, hey, remember now, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of work we got to do. I
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  Speaker 3: think that that there's almost an ideal blend of I mean,
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  Speaker 3: certainly win is the most important thing, uh, staying healthy
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  Speaker 3: is the next most important thing.
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  Speaker 1: But then being able to uh to get.
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  Speaker 3: You know, learn some lessons and and try and derive
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  Speaker 3: more focus and and and make adjustments. You know. The
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  Speaker 3: the first quarter, Seawks are playing a bunch of man
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  Speaker 3: to man, which on paper sounds good. It's like, wait
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  Speaker 3: a minute, these receivers for Tennessee by NFL standards are
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  Speaker 3: about as poor as you can be. I would say
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  Speaker 3: probably they're receiving. You know, with Calvin Ridley out especially,
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  Speaker 3: they weren't good. They weren't good with Calvin Ridley and
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  Speaker 3: he's on IR So without them, I I have no
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  Speaker 3: hesitation saying they are the thirty second ranked wide receiver group.
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  Speaker 3: So for Mike McDonald to come out in the first
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  Speaker 3: quarter and say, we're going man and man are our
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  Speaker 3: our cats are just better than your cats. And and
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  Speaker 3: yet they they didn't do a good job of handling
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  Speaker 3: shallow crosses and which is you know, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of your your garden variety staple of to try
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  Speaker 3: and beat man and man, particularly press man and man.
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  Speaker 3: And uh, they weren't what's called cutting with the safeties
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  Speaker 3: and passing off to robbers, the things that you do.
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  Speaker 3: Robert would be a shallow whole player over the middle
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  Speaker 3: that can help with the shallow cross and and what
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  Speaker 3: have you? And I mean on the touchdown, Uh, yet
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  Speaker 3: Emon worry and this is the last touchdown passed by Ward.
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  Speaker 3: Uh that was man and man and and they do
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  Speaker 3: just a basic garden variety pick on the goal line
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  Speaker 3: and Josh job And is the outside guy. Emon Morey
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  Speaker 3: is one man in. They do a little. The receivers
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  Speaker 3: just basically do a criss cross, you know, to put
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  Speaker 3: it in very simple playground terms, And you got to
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  Speaker 3: communicate pass that thing off. I mean, it's in an
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  Speaker 3: empty stadium. You're you know, they're not gonna be yelling
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  Speaker 3: for the offense. I mean, there should have been ample
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to communicate that, but they don't, and it's an
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  Speaker 3: easy touchdown. It's you know, so I think that there
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  Speaker 3: was just no question, a lack of focus on a
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  Speaker 3: number of occasions. And again, I just think they were
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  Speaker 3: trying to get the clock to double zero. And it's
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  Speaker 3: the difference between theory and reality. If you're a fan
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  Speaker 3: that says, wait a minute, these guys should never ever
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  Speaker 3: ever have a single play, a single quarter, a single
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  Speaker 3: drive where they are not emotionally supercharged. It's not baseball
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty two games. It's not basketball eighty
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  Speaker 3: two games. It is football just seventeen. You know what
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  Speaker 3: preach I agree with that in theory. In reality, show
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  Speaker 3: me the team that exhibits that on every drive of
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  Speaker 3: the season, and so, yeah, look, you had a really
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  Speaker 3: devastating loss to the Ramsey didn't have Ernest Jones, and
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  Speaker 3: you're playing a one win team and you've already you know,
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  Speaker 3: so so the world that you can bootstomp on lousy
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  Speaker 3: teams like it was like literally a no win situation.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't derive any dissatisfaction by what I saw whatever,
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  Speaker 3: But fan, how you want a fan? If you're concerned
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  Speaker 3: that they didn't win by thirty, then you know that's
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  Speaker 3: your prerograph.
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  Speaker 1: I think, and I think what you said about theory
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  Speaker 1: is so true because the reality is when you're playing
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  Speaker 1: a seventeen game schedule and you have been playing really
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  Speaker 1: you've been going, you know, throttle down since July twenty sixth,
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  Speaker 1: right when training camp started. And training camp is one thing.
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  Speaker 1: The week to week grind is another. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if people and I don't fully understand
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  Speaker 1: it because I didn't play in the NFL obviously, but
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  Speaker 1: being around it for a lot of years, the grind
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  Speaker 1: and the week to week it's going to wear on
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  Speaker 1: you at some point. And it's different than an eighty
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  Speaker 1: two game NBA or NHL season, But there are similarities. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's not a game, there's not four games a week,
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  Speaker 1: there's one, but there's twelve hour days with meetings and
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  Speaker 1: practices and all that that started back in July. You're
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  Speaker 1: going to have a letdown. You're going to have those
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  Speaker 1: weeks where you're like, Okay, it's a little harder to
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  Speaker 1: get up for. And I think what the sign is
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  Speaker 1: of a good football team. They didn't kick it right.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't. They didn't lose it. They didn't. They didn't,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't nothing. They didn't stub their toe. And the
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  Speaker 1: NFL doesn't care. There's no style points, there's no CFP committee,
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  Speaker 1: there's no committee here. You're in, you know, with whatever
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  Speaker 1: you do when you go there, it is hardcore football.
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  Speaker 1: T U Millon. I want to ask you about one guy,
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  Speaker 1: specifically the next five minutes before we got to take
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  Speaker 1: a break, and I'm really curious and I just want
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  Speaker 1: to kind of empty laid it for you. Do you
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  Speaker 1: like the way the Seahawks use Devin Witherspoon And if not,
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  Speaker 1: what would you do? And this is this is I'm
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna say I and you're the dumbest human being.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked to you today and who I've talked to
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  Speaker 1: like one hundred people. But I'm gonna tell you this,
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  Speaker 1: I don't feel like I see Devin Witherspoon making as
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  Speaker 1: big of an impact as I have in the past years.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a great defense. And maybe that's by design,
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  Speaker 1: they're just not going towards them or what have you.
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  Speaker 1: But do you like what they're doing Devin Witherspoon or
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  Speaker 1: is there a way to make him more impactful? I
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  Speaker 1: do like it, okay, because I know he was involved
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  Speaker 1: in the Blitzer Murphy got the sack and all that,
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  Speaker 1: But I just it's I want to I want to
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  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on how they use them and so forth. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I do like it.
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  Speaker 3: Now, keep in mind that here's a guy that at Illinois.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have the the snaps, but it's pretty pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Close in my memory, right.
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  Speaker 3: So he his ratio of outside plays was about six
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  Speaker 3: to one. Okay, outside versus inside. Okay, So here's you're
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  Speaker 3: talking about one hundred a guy that there was a
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  Speaker 3: hundred eighty one pounds at the Combine and he played
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  Speaker 3: again at Illinois and outside by a six to one ratio.
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  Speaker 3: Approximately don't quote me. It might be five to one,
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  Speaker 3: but it's it's something in those orders. So now he
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  Speaker 3: comes in, and why was he the fifth overall pick?
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  Speaker 3: I mean we did those shows. You were there at
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  Speaker 3: rent with me, and you're like, who should they take
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  Speaker 3: because this is a fifth pick? Yep, And I suck
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  Speaker 3: it at predicting Seahawks draft picks through the years, twenty
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  Speaker 3: seven years. I think I got two, So I'm I'm awful.
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  Speaker 3: I said I would take Jalen Carter. To me, he's
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  Speaker 3: worth the risk. And everybody's all upset about well, he
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  Speaker 3: was involved with a you know, in a fatality where
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  Speaker 3: they were racing the cars, and I said, listen, I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be crass, but there are some gms
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  Speaker 3: behind closed doors that say, what's the problem. I don't
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  Speaker 3: care if he's he was driving fast.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I kind of liked that he was driving fast.
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  Speaker 3: Now, obviously I don't need to say that any any
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  Speaker 3: fatality involved, particularly the young person, this is a horrific tragedy.
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  Speaker 3: But as you're evaluating Jaya anyways, sorry no, yeah, But
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  Speaker 3: but to me, it's like, take Jalen Carter and we've
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  Speaker 3: got the podcast to prove that, but you take the
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  Speaker 3: fifth pick on one hundred and eighty one pound dB,
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  Speaker 3: he better need more than just one hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 3: one pound dB. And I was at the Falcons when
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  Speaker 3: the Falcons drafted Don who was probably not much more
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  Speaker 3: than one hundred and eighty one. He better be like
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  Speaker 3: special if you're the fifth pick in the draft, you know, right,
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  Speaker 3: and so well, what's special about him? Uber competitor, great instincts,
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  Speaker 3: can hit like a son of a you know, for
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  Speaker 3: his size. But Seattle, then they say, all right, let's
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  Speaker 3: put him at nickel and let that that juice be
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  Speaker 3: close to the line of scrimmage. Let him have havoc. Well,
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  Speaker 3: it's just hard at that size to uh to have
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  Speaker 3: of durability. And we he already missed different games this
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  Speaker 3: year from two different injuries. And so to me it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you drafted Emon Worry, who is not one hundred and
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  Speaker 3: eighty one pounds at the combine was exactly two twenty.
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  Speaker 3: You got a nick you're replacing a Nickel. And Seattle,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, I got updated this week, but they
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  Speaker 3: were they've been number one in the NFL in use
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  Speaker 3: of nickel, like over like eighty six percent of their snaps, right,
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  Speaker 3: So Seattle's going to play nickel. Who's gonna be the nickel?
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  Speaker 3: And and and as a quarterback, I look and say, well,
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  Speaker 3: what do you mean nickel? It's just the nickel Sam.
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  Speaker 3: Like if I was in a quarterback meeting room, I said, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: Drake Thomas is the will, and Ernest Jones is the
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  Speaker 3: mic and and uh Devin Witherspoon before and Nick Emn
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  Speaker 3: Worry now, I said, Nick Emon wore a number three.
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  Speaker 3: He's the nickel Sam, Like, Okay, so he has he
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  Speaker 3: has outside linebacker attributes.
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  Speaker 1: So they're going to play the nickel.
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  Speaker 3: And I just think it's, well, it's tempting to play
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  Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon maybe because of the athleticism and the juice.
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  Speaker 3: I would just much rather have those thirty nine extra
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  Speaker 3: pounds in the package of a total athletic freak, right
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  Speaker 3: in Emon or Yeah, so I uh Now, Witherspoon's competitiveness
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  Speaker 3: still pops. I mean you saw him on bubble screens
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  Speaker 3: and you know, and and outside plays stretch. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna battle you. It's just you're gonna take He's
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  Speaker 3: gonna take less of a pounding. And he has this
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  Speaker 3: the physical traits to be an outside corner. So to
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  Speaker 3: answer your question, for these reasons, yes, I like exactly
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  Speaker 3: what they're doing. In fact, when Witherspoon came back, remember
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  Speaker 3: there was that that change that we only saw four
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  Speaker 3: plays early on in the year with Witherspoon and m
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  Speaker 3: and Rory right, and then so then when Emon Wory
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  Speaker 3: got healthy, Witherspoon was hurt and so I can't remember.
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  Speaker 3: It might have been the Airs of Zona game, whatever
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  Speaker 3: the game was. I was like, I cannot wait to
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: see what they do with Witherspoon and Emon Wory now
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: that they've got him healthy. If I if I was
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: my Donald, I would have the M and Warrior as
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: the nickel and and bump Devin with a spoon out.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: That's that's what I was hoping to see. And that's
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: exactly what he did. Good. That's perfect. That's a great explanation,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: and I think that makes makes sense in a lot
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: of ways. And yeah, I mean em and Warri is
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: just a treat to watch that guy play. And you know,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you have you have unique talents and skill sets and
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: all those things. And that's why I wanted to have
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you answer. That's why we have you on for hardcore football, right,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we come back. We got to talk about Jackson Smith
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: and Jig but it's hardcore football. So we'll break down
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the sixty three yard touchdown pass and talk a little
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: bit about Sam Donald's day as well. And they're taking
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: on the Vikings this week. His old team might be
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: a little extra juice for Sam Donald. We'll talk about that,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Hugh Millen. Hardcore Football continues.
• 17:46
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• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Why we're back rolling along, you're milling with us, Hugh,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: All right, So, I mean, I guess I'm glad we
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: talked about Witherspoon because you know, I don't know why,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and then and you're watching it far different than I am.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: It just kind of felt like the witherspot I see
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: in the past. Maybe he isn't jumping off the screen
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: as much as it had in the past.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: You're right, and in the slot you would expect the
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: guy to bring the heat and pop over the course
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of three hours, but at cornerback oftentimes. No news is
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: good news. Got three hours. I remember his name coming up. Yeah,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: well it did a couple of times in tackling. Yes,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: you know that's a good thing when you say, oh,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen twenty one today.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I mean yeah he had and he
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: had two pass defense, So I get that. But yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it makes it does make sense that that that is
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a position less is more right right less? More like
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Keifer would tell you, like left tackles. Yeah, oh I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: don't remember. Let I don't remember Charles Cross. I remember
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: thinking about him during the game. That's good, Yeah, no
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: it is. I do remembers tackles yesterday though they each
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: each of them had a penalty across a had two
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: disablehead one. All right, let me get to what Let's
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: see what times everyone, Okay, I want to get to
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a couple of things here. Let me let me just
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: first because I can't go a hardcore football segment without
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: talking about a guy that has to be a first
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: team All Pro. He's on the pace to set maybe
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: still an NFL record. He's already set the Seahawk single
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: season record for receiving year as Jackson Smith and Jig,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: but he popped Hugh eleven o two mark in the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: second quarter, sixty three yards from Sam Darold. This is
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: ourcore football walks through it, sir, you want you want
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: that touchdown? Yes, okay, So it's it's it's man and man.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: And when Jackson Smith goes in motion from left to right,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: he's going to line up on a trips right as
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the innermost guy. What defense is called number three out
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: of the trips, but it's a safety that is in
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: outside leverage. Number thirty seven. I didn't get the rosterrup,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: but thirty seven is the hooker.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: A hooker. Yeah.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: And so as a quarterback, if I want, if I'm
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: gonna throw a corner, a corner route is obviously an
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: outbreaking route. You go vertical up and then you stand
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: at approximately twelve yards and you go diagonally and up
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the field right corner rout. So there's different angles you
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: can take it on. And just think of an analog clock. Okay,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: so the center, you know, twelve o'clock would be straight ahead.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Three o'clock is a right angle. So at corner route,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: let's just to keep it in real simple turn do
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: you want to do? You want to take a flat
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: angle like it's going to two o'clock off to the right,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: or a high angle like you're going to one o'clock.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: There are coaches that coach, hey, always try and bend
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: that thing at two o'clock. It's an easier completion. Quarterback,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: pull them to the sideline. We're not going to get
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: any run after the catch, but we're going to get
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: a higher chance for a completion. Some coaches say, all right,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: take the high angle if you have it, and in
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: this case, you see JSN. He says, well, I got
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: a safety on the outside. He's low enough on the
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: low shoulder that he can't really cross his face and
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: go to two o'clock on the analog clock. So he now,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: he says, well, I got to go to one o'clock,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: and so he's got to go over the top of
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: the well. He doesn't have great speed against a dB
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: or a corner, but against the safety, he has adequate speed,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: you know, to be opened by maybe a step step
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: and a half. That's still a long throw. That ball
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: was in the air fifty three yards wow. Okay, the
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: NFL calculated at forty three air yards. But but from
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: where Donald was left hash five six yards behind the line,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage and then you count that the diagonal. I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: calculated it. It was in the air fifty three yards,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: so you're you have to you're trying to walk it
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: to a guy on the dead run from fifty three
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: yards away. It was slightly underthrown, I mean barely underthrown.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: But that's where Jasn's brilliance is where he then with
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: a guy on the outside technique, he's he's gonna just
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: push him just barely enough to get a few inches
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: of separation, but not so much to get the offensive
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: pass interference. It's like the perfect amount. And then you
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: know when guys are draping around him and distracting him
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: and what have you. He wh when you're running full
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: speed and you look back at that ball that the
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: ball is shaking because your head is shaking. Like there's
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of receivers have a hard time with the
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: nuance of being able to finish the catch with deep
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, the dB all around him and grabbing and
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: pushing on your arms and was, but he is just
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: he's the next level at that stuff. So that that
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: was just a huge part of it. And then and
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: then it was third down and the defensive line for
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the Tennessee They align their defenders way to the outside.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: You would never line that up that way and first
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: down right because you don't have the A and the
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: B gap covered on the right side, but you figure
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: it's third downs of passing down. So there they got
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: two pass rushers on the outside of Abe Lucas and
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: they're trying to what's called a five technique and a
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: nine technique that they're out wide and they're trying.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: To get out wide. But it opened up a.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Vision lane for Sam Sam Darnold that was just very rare.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: It was like seven on seven for him, So he's
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: able to take three hitches, great protection, not just great protection,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: like very rare protection, and then a beautiful ball and
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: a beautiful finish.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: I just I it was one of those plays. You
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: it's third and six and and all of a sudden
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: he drops back and he said as you described it,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and then the balls heaved down the field. I'm like,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? Okay? Good? Like like just I mean,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking to myself, just get the first down
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and then and I'm thinking that for whatever would have
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: been maybe a second and a half of airtime when
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: that ball is in the air, and then I saw
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: then into into the frame comes eleven and I'm like, okay,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that's fine, Like it's it's it's the chance and and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and you know, boom touched on. Thanks for coming. The
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: trust he's got to have in that guy is amazing.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: The homework. I know you've probably started on it, and
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I don't expect you to do it because it's for
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: next week's morning show. I thought it was an interesting question.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Tell folks with Homer asked you this morning.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he wants to know how many of Jackson
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba's targets are where there's somebody jamming and
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: impeding his progress. Be it manned man and what's called
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: two man five hunder man and man with two safeties
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: on that that half that would be one of the things,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: or rolling the coverage if he's an outside on guy,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: that's where the corners in the cloud and the safety
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: is over the top. Cloud is a universal football term
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: that means corner begins with a C, cornerback in the flat.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: The corollaries to that is sky. That's universal football terminology,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: which means safety is in the flat. So any cloud
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: would be would fit that. And then if he's in
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the slot, is there an overhang defender that's walked out
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: and and impeding his free access? So it's really free
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: access is when I look, if I have a really
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: good receiver, I want to know whether he's in the
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: slot or whether he's outside. I said, are they allowing
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: him free access? Meaning he's not jammed at the line
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: and jam could be a zone which you know, rolled
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: as I said, or or it could be I'm looking
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: for off coverage on the outside and the overhang defender
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: is trying to midplay.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: You know, he may be responsible even though he's lined
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: up you think in the C gap. If there's a
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: defensive end out there, there can be a uh. If
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: jas N is in the slot, there could be There
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: are some fronts and and run fits where you say,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: you're lined up in the slot, but you have the
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: B gap the gap between the guard and the tackle
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: even though you're out you know, out there on the
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: uh overhang. So so some of those guys midplay. Well,
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: that allows free access. So that's that's what he's he's
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: asking for. But you know, a note on Darnold and
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: the cohesion that he has with j s N. Last
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: year j s N on what is turned by the
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: NFL catchable air yards. That's not my term. Catchable air yards.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: For the entire season, JSN had eight hundred and six
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: thus far this year, JSN has eight hundred and eighty
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: and he's still got six more games to go. And
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: the next closest guy is George Pickens at six thirty three,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: so he's got I know that the yards are you
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: know about that ratio in terms of JSN. So these
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: aren't new numbers if you're just looking at the yards.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: But I think it's again notable that the catchable air yards.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: So what does that mean? It means that.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold is pushing the ball down the field.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: He's number one in the NFL in yardsbear attempt, number
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: one in the NFL yardsbear completion, and he's pushing the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: ball down, but he's giving JSN castable opportunities.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. It just it's a thing of beauty watching
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: that right now, watching number eleven. And we'll tune in
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: next week when you finish your homework. I'm given to
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you by professional Honger, and I like it, yes, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I will report to you as well. I appreciate that Okay,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: when we come back, I want to ask you and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: actually a couple of people on the text line I
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: just randomly texted this in. I saw this and I said,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: all right, well I'll ask you, uh, if you can
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: speak to the first Cleveland quarterback to win in his
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: first start in like a zillion years, Shudour Standers. We'll
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: do that coming up next on ninety three point three KJFM.
• 27:27
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• 27:31
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• 27:43
  Speaker 1: All Right, our football wrapping up with you, Millon, let
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: me a couple of people on the text line wanted
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to get your thoughts to you because you mentioned it.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Cam Ward was the unquestioned number one pick overall in
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the NFL draft this past spring. As you mentioned, there
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: wasn't really even a debate about it. There was a
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: lot of debate about Shudur Sanders and where he should go,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: where he will go, where he finally did go after
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel. We should point out on day three he
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: had his first start over the weekend and the Browns
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: won the game twenty four to ten over the Whoa.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: That's a whole different topic are raiders with Peeing Company,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: but they went at twenty four to ten. Sudor Sanders wins.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: This gets the first win as a Cleveland starter in
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: his first in his debut first start, I guess, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I think it was nineteen years. He was eleven of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: twenty for two or nine yards and an interception. He
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: had a touchdown eighty seven point three passer rating touchdown
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: with sixty six yards if I'm not mistaken. It was
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: a short throw, catch and run. And then he had
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: a fifty two yard pass as well that might have
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: had more air yards. Hugh. My math tells me the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: rest of the game he threw for ninety one yards
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: when he take away those two plays. But I didn't
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: see the game. I'm just looking at numbers. Your thoughts
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: on Shuder Sanders' first career start.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: I watched the lot of it. I didn't see everything,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: but you know, regarding his numbers, as you said, he
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: had a sixty six yard touchdown on a swing route.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: The NFL calculated they always do air yards on every attempt.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: It was minus five, meaning in their calculation it was
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: five yards behind the line of scrimmage. So he throws
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: a swing pass, So obviously that's a gift from the gods.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Butt early on in the game, he had been flushed
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: out of the pocket through you know, one of the
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: best passes of the weekend, you know, hit a guy
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: in a diamond and that went down to the two
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: yard line. You referenced that play. So but if you
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: take away that sixty six yard swing route that was
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: caught five yards behind the line of scrimmage, he would
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: have been ten of nineteen, one hundred and forty three yards,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: no touchdowns, a pick, and a passer rating of fifty
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: five point four. So I would just say pump the brakes.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: It was a very easy on ramp. As you allude
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: to playing the Raiders there and where they are at
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: this juncture of the season, He's going to get his opportunities,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I know in that division. I haven't looked at their schedule,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: but but if he's going to start the next five games,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: six was a five left, he uh, he'll he'll get
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: tested and we'll see. I think that he's matured. If
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: you want to make an argument that he's matured. You
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: can find evidence for that. But then he'll do things
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: like what he said. I thought it was so bad.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I thought it was AI. I didn't believe it when
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: somebody sent me this text what he said on the
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: field or he said, and I did that with only
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: one week. Just think what happens. I thought, that's not real.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: That's that's one of these AI skit you know, skit things.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: And well it turns out it's real. And so I
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: just I think that he really needs to think about
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: how he comes across to his teammates and and you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that's just he's in the same SITUA is every young quarterback,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: no different. I can't even believe this is a talking
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: point about you know, you know what reps he did
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: or didn't get. He was a fifth round draft pick rookie.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet you got.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: He gets more than ninety five percent of fifth round
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: draft pick rookies.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: We had that conversation with Holgrin last week about the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: exact same thing. It's like people were losing their mind.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: It can't believe he doesn't ge any reps and all this,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and like Mike's like, yeah, that's how it works in practice.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: That's you don't get the reps when you're number two
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: or three on the on the depth chart was four. Yeah, exactly.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: They had Pickett. Yeah yeah. The All right, let me
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: let me throw one more little wild card at you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Because I mentioned the Raiders. I'm curious, just top of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: your head, somebody says to Hugh Millin chip Kelly and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: he just got fired yesterday by the Raiders and feels
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: like he's been fired a lot outside of his success
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: at Oregon. When I say, chip Kelly, what what do
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: you think of?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I think of the like a stock market, like the
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: most volatile stock you could imagine. Because when he hits
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: the scene under it would have been Mike Bla at Oregon,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: it'd been the offensive coordinator at New Hampshire. Anybody could
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: have grabbed him, including the Huskies right and the Cougars right.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: And somehow Ballotti saw something and he was incredible. They
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: had a decade the Ducks where they won over eighty
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: percent of their games. I hate to say it, I
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: wish it wasn't true. Washington's never had a decade like that,
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: and I mean, that is a remarkable number. And chip
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Kelly was kind of right at the center of that.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Then he goes to Philadelphia in year one, like, he
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: goes and and they don't even run the same offense.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: You know, they drafted Matt Barkley in the fourth round.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: I was certain that he needed an athletic quarterback to
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: run and stuff. He has success early on in Philadelphia,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: and then that ways. Then he goes to San Francisco
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: and he's the head coach. He does nothing. He goes
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: to Ucla, he does nothing, and it's petering out so
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: bad that he says, I'd rather just be an offensive
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: coordinator for Ohio State than a head coach of UCLA.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: He is then the most unbelievable see you know, he's
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: like the dude. Uh So, now the stock is back up, right,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: and then Pete Carroll says, yeah, that's a hell of
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: a stock. I won't give me some of that. And
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: then now he got now the stock plummets again. I mean,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: this guy is if you're if you're buying and selling
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: stock in chip Kelly, you have gone for a ride.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Because it's been at the highest and the lowest in
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: multiple occasions on both the peak and the valley.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I always kind of look back at the Oregon time.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a program that Rich Brooks started, Mike
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Belotti built to that next level. He took over for
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Gary Crochton, I do believe as the offensive coordinator. Uh
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and and then like I don't know, I mean, did
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: he build something there or did he take over for
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: in a great situation with Bolotti, you know, I guess.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Well, he took something and then took it to another level.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he absolutely took it to another level. And
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: you know he kind of hit everything, you know, the
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: pace and how they played, and that was when they
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: were really you know, unique, hitting their stride with the
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: new uniforms and the marketing and so everything that Oregon
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: was doing at that time was a novelty, right and
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: people go, oh, this is new. Well then, you know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: ten years later kind of everybody was doing it, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: then Oregon fell off because you know, I'm not saying
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: everybody was out to copy Oregon, but it just a
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: lot of things they were doing was making sense. So
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: you know, they would they would say, after a long completion,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I want to snap the ball in less than fifteen seconds.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: So they would practice that. Their lineman would scream and
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: they would like they could they could communicate the play.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: They could get up and snap the ball in less
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: than fifteen seconds after a thirty yard game. And they
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: had a lot of them.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and their system, you know, they were they're just
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: like three or four running plays, just have a lot
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: of speed. Quarterbacks didn't have to have great arms or
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: great processing ability. Every team was so concerned about run
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: fits with their running game and playing fast that they'd
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: get guys receivers running open. And it really wasn't, you know, anything,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: any real exquisite precision. It was just the pace at
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: how they didn't and what they what they made you
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: do to try and stop that quick running game.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Well, it didn't translate with Pete and Gino this year.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: That's for damn sure. That stocks you can get.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not touching that stock. No, I have no idea
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: what the future bringing for that guy.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: But the more volatile guys than him, right, yeah, yeah,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: exactly exactly. You still have to have some dudes, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: doesn't I mean the whole thing, the Raiders thing, And
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: we only care because it's Pete and what he did
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: here can never ever be taken away, you know, I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: just I don't know selfishly, I wish he hadn't gone
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: there because it just feel like it's a dumpster fire
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and no one can succeed. I mean, the introim coaches,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: the only guy's been above five hundred the last twenty years.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: For them, they haven't won a playoff game in nineteen years.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: The coulds of fame, That's what I'm That's the thing
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about. You know. For him, it's it's legacy.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: He might have been on, you know, on the cut
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: and this could have pushed him back, just like with
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: russ Yep.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think two guys that were on there. All right,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: my friend, you bet Homegeren gave you homework. So we'll
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: check in with you next week. Okay, good stuff, take
• 36:11
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• 36:14
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• 36:18
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• 36:20
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• 36:21
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• 36:32
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• 36:34
  Speaker 1: second ago. We're talking about your Sanders. He will be
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the starter for Cleveland this coming week, so he'll get
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: his second starting though Dylan Gabriel has cleared concussion protocol.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: See hows came out Victoria. So the Titans this weekend
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: thirty twenty four to the final. In that game, sales
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: eighth win of the year, eight and three. Right now,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: as it stands, they would be the number five seed
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: in the NFC playoff race. Brams were winners yesterday. I
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw that. So they're a
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: good team. They're really good at football. How about Baker
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Mayfield throwing his arm out at the end of the Halfey? Okay.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Seahawks wins Sam Darerald sixteen to twenty six two forty four,
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: two touchdowns, Cam Moore twenty eight to forty two, two
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: fifty six and a touchdown JSN good again, one sixty
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: seven two touchdowns, single season franchise record for receiving yards.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: That's pretty good, right, I thank you, considering where we
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: are in the season. Where are we? We just finished
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: our what twelfth game game and be eleven sir, yes,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: so would be eleven. So yeah, that's probably okay. When
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it's all said and done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Monday
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Night football tonight, your friends, the forty nine ers gross
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• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in Santa Clair. It should be fun. Let's go. It's
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: actually not a bad game. Carolina can do us all,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: bce Young, just just do us all a favor. Take
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: them out. Just be done with this thing. We don't
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: need to see these guys do will Oh no, no,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I had something else I want to get to. Oh
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: did you guys see Jamiir Gibz yesterday? Yeah? That was
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: that pretty good game. Fifteen carries, two hundred nineteen yards,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: two touchdowns. House won from sixty nine. That's pretty good.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: It's all right, okay, cracking overtime yesterday a losing a
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: shootout to the Islanders. Won nothing. On Saturday, they also
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: went to overtime back to back ot games and a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: shootout tossed in there. They beat the Penguins three to
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: two on Saturday night, so they go to one and
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: one on their four game road trip. The best start
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: in franchise history continues with another point yesterday. Next up,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: they'll be hosting the Dallas Stars Wednesday, Climate Pledgerini can
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: hear that game right here on ninety three point three
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: KJR fm uwat UCLA forty eight to fourteen in a
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: dumpster fire of a football game. To be honest with UCLA,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: man huge uses a term all the time, Harry High School.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: That's what they are. WAZU lost to GM you once again,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: another close one, but another loss for Jimmie Rodgers. He's
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: got to beat Oregon State this week in their finale
• 39:07
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• 39:10
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• 39:19
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• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando joins us here on the Beacon on the
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: hotline our weekly visit with Mike, which we always enjoy.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: He writes the Pick six column at The Athletic. Theathletic
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: dot Com Mike, I referenced not one, but two things
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: you wrote today in my crosstalk session with Mark James
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: at twelve forty five today. That's how good the pick
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: six was? How are you, my friend? Pretty good?
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: What about the other for?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, well, I got the rest of
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: the week. I got the rest week to get to
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: all those things. It was an interesting weekend in the
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: National Football I'm gonna stay with this just because we
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: talked about with Hugh mill In a moment ago and
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: we just found out that Shud door Standards will indeed
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: be the starter this week. I don't know if there's
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: a more polarizing young player in the NFL than she
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: do or standers going back to the draft and even
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: his time at Colorado. But they come up with a win,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: which starting quarterbacks in their first start for the Browns
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: normally don't do. They did beat the Raiders, which that
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: we need to point that out. It's the Raiders, but
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: they did beat them. His numbers were skewed by a
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: swing pass. It goes for sixty two, but they get
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: the win. So, as you wrote, it's the narrative, which
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: one do you want to choose? So which one does
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Mike Sando choose Hey, let's see more.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: You know, I think that it would have been hard
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: to go back to a different player because they won
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: the game, right, And as a coach, you're probably taking
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: the field of the locker room, right, you know, with
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: the guy. You can't lie to the team if they
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: feel like, you know, Sanders gave him a spark of
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: some kind, let's go with them, you know. So to me,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: I think this makes the most sense, and I'm anxious to.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: See him play.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: You know, I think he did not overly hold the
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: ball yesterday, which was the number one you know, probably
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: complaint in college. He just took a lot of sacks,
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: and yeah, the attitude stuff, I mean on the field
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: sometimes he you know, there was a play last year
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: where he an offensive lineman went to help him up
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: and he hit the hand away, you know, and so
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: some of that stuff, I think we're I just want
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: to see him play, you know. I think those types
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: of things are good for the draft build up and
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: talking about it. But now he's on a team and
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: he played and he wasn't horrific. I mean, we've seen
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: some guys, you know, JJ McCarthy's really struggling. We've seen
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: some other guys struggle. I thought, you know, for the Browns,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: this wasn't It wasn't like he didn't lose the game. Now,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: they were so good on defense and special teams that
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: maybe anybody would have won the game. But I thought
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: he was, Okay, you know, let's see more.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Let me stay with that game, because again, I'm just
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: something we've been discussing today on the on the radio.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: The move was made by the Raiders. They get rid
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: of Chip Kelly. They followed to two and nine on
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the season. It's just there's been it's just been been
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a nightmare season for Pete Carroll and that Raiders franchise.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Right now, when you talk to guys around the league,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: what do you hear about about the Raiders. Are are they
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: in the first year of a rebuild or where are
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: they at right now? Because I personally I love Pete Carroll.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: You've got a Super Bowl for our city. I think
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of fans would echo those sentiments. And since
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the Raiders aren't even in the same conference, you can
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: kind of almost trying to root for him. If I
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: don't know, Geno's maybe a different story. I worry and
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: he and I were talking about this. I worry about
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's legacy. We know how hard it is for
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: coaches to get into the Hall of Fame. He at
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: best was probably Mikey, you would agree. I'm assuming it
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: was probably borderline Hall of Famer. I don't know if
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: this hurts his legacy or his candidacy, but it just
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: just seems like a complete debacle there.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't help him. I think anything that dilutes,
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: you know, your crowning achievement. I think the arc of
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Pete Carroll was he was a pretty good NFL coach
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: with the Patriots, went reassessed his life, his career, how
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: he wanted to do things, came back as an amazing
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: coach at USC which you know isn't part of the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: Pro Football Hall of Fame thing, but but we know
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: it's there. You know, it was part of his journey,
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: and then came to the NFL and proved that that
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: approach that people wondered if it could only work in
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: college super positivity, you know, was great for the c
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: X and he won with it and he built an
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: amazing culture with it. So if he wins the second
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl in Seattle, it's he's probably in. You know,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: that's how close it comes. And now I think this
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: is something that will have to be assessed. It's not
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: helping him right now, but you know there's time and
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: there's you know, we'll see. I do think this though,
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: it's gotten harder, as we've learned with Mike Holmgren for
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: these coaches and non modernary players to get in at all. Right,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: so you know this complicates it for him probably, Yeah.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I mean Mike's resume right now is better than Pet's, right,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: I believe, I mean the three super Bow yeah, yeah.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: And if Mike's waiting and Pete's gonna wait, Pete needs
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to probably do something and not continue to have issues
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: with with this this particular franchise.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I think though, if he can turn it not it
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: doesn't have to win a championship with the Raiders, but
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: if he can kind of get him going like he
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: did in New England where you're a waiting team and
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: go to the playoffs, I think that would be that
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: would actually be good relative to where the Raiders have
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: been and could actually help Pete.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: What do you hear around the league, What do you
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: hear from you talk to a lot of executives. What's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: the story with now that he's out in LA what
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: happens at chip Kelly next? Does he have another NFL
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: job in him or is he need to go back
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to college? What do you think is gonna happen?
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I don't think so, you know, I don't think so.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know how you heard the stories about the
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Raiders were paying him six million a year, and I'm like,
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: who else was going to pay him five? Four or three?
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: You know in the NFL? I just haven't. I just
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: don't see that, and it doesn't obviously it was a disaster,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: but the Raiders. So you know, in coaching it always
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: comes down to who you know usually, but he seems
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: like somebody who you know. Maybe it's run its course
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: in the NFL.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: So many jobs open in college. I wonder if he
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: goes back down that road. I mean, there's so many
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: big time college jobs open, all those Power five conferences
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: powerful I guess it is nowadays. As Mike Sandel from
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the Athletic joining us, all right, what I met reference
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: with MJ earlier is your I thought it was really
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: interesting about Kansas City. Yes, they beat the Colts yesterday,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: but we still see some blemishes and Wartz there. And
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: it starts with the running game, does it not?
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, just being able to look. They don't have to
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: have a Hall of Fame running back on their team,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: but I think that it would help them make it
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: easier for Patrick Mahomes to hit those explosive plays if
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: people when they played the Chiefs actually were worried about
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: them running the ball and to do that. It's more
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: than part of it's having a good back, but part
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: of it is just having the structure of your offense
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: set up in a way that the run is convincing.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: I think they've just drifted and drifted to the point
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: that they're probably a little more spread out, and there
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: are a lot of times from the shotgun now this
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: this game, there was a little bit more, you know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: under center. But they're running with Kareem Hunt. You know,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: they're running with Isaiah Pacheco. I don't think those guys
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: are getting the attention and really helping out Mahomes enough.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: So hey, they may have finish strong anyway, Wherehi Rice
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: is who is good? Obviously Mahomes is good and you
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: read's good. But what I wrote was, you know, if
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: they were to have a bad year or miss the playoffs.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: I think it could cause them to do some reflecting
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: and maybe make some changes for the long term that
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: you generally don't make when you reach the championship game
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: or even the Super Bowl. So that's kind of where
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: I was coming from, and I believe that completely.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean and listen, they're not more than likely.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: More than likely, they're not going to win the division.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: They're three games back of Denver right now, So it
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: would be a whole different path right for this Broncos
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: team in Pat male Holmes, if they do make the playoffs,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: are going to have to go on the road, and
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: that's a different deal than playing at Arrowhead in January.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: Yep, And they could still do it, but I just
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: think it's harder for them. So if I were looking
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: if I were them looking at it objectively, I would say, hey,
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: how can we get to where you know, we're structured
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: a little differently?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Well, it's odd because like the dominant team we've kind
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: of felt like has been Philadelphia for a while right
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: in the NFC, Kansas City and the ASC a little
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: bit of a changing of the guard this season. What
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: were Mike Sandos takeaways for what happened with the Eagles
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: and the Cowboys yesterday after a twenty one nothing lead
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: by the Eagles went away.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the Eagles, you know, there's always drama
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: there and things going on, and offensively it's been much
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: more of a struggle and their run game is not
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: what it was. So they have the elite back and
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: that's not even enough for them. So, you know, can
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: they get it going? I don't think so. I don't
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: think that offensively they're going to become what they were.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Some of that's through some injuries on the offensive line.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: I think defenses have done a better job of defending them,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: and they just don't all seem like they're on the
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: same page between the quarterback, the coordinator, coach, receivers, all
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: of that. So still could be dangerous. You know. I
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: think they've obviously still able to win. Their defense is
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: very good, so I'm not counting them out at all,
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: But I think it's a harder road for them now
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: than it was last year.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: What do you think has happened to Saquon in his
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: numbers two thousand yards. Last year had a chance that
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: they would have played last games at the record, and
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: this year it's I mean half of them. It would
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: be lucky to get to half of that.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Well, there's some history for that. Usually when you have
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: a really huge year, it comes back quite a bit
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: the next year, so that that could be common. They
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: had a really long season. I think that their offensive line,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: you know, has had some attrition. Now they're you know,
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: they're right tackle Lane Johnson's been in and out and injured,
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  Speaker 4: so probably not as good. They've had a guard in
• 48:53
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• 48:56
  Speaker 4: forget that. This is their second year without Jason Kelcey,
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: who was a great player too, so some of those
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  Speaker 4: things that maybe were super strengths for them in the
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  Speaker 4: past may not be quite the same right now. I
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  Speaker 4: think defenses are adjusting. We're seeing more sophisticated types of
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  Speaker 4: So I don't think Saquon has probably just completely fallen off.
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  Speaker 4: That would be unusual, right, you know, in one year.
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  Speaker 4: But maybe it's a combination of the attrition up front,
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  Speaker 4: the you know, the miles from last year, and just
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  Speaker 4: teams having a better handle on what they do.
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned the other thing I mentioned to MJ that
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  Speaker 1: the pick six. The Falcons have arguably committed organizational malpractice.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Are the Raiders next? We are talking about the Raiders,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: but the Falcons, the Panics, the Cousins, the quarterback situation,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: drafting these skill players like Bijeon, who's a great arguably
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: the best running back maybe in the NFL, right kind
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  Speaker 1: of pits and guys like that. But what they've done
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: along the way, they haven't built the team in a
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  Speaker 1: good sense. And here we are, the Atlanta Falcons are
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: are four and seven, but you know who's their quarterback?
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  Speaker 1: Is it? I mean, what's going to happen with Penix
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  Speaker 1: and all those things? And it's just a they're kind
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  Speaker 4: They are, yeah, they you know, they them drafting running
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  Speaker 4: backs and tight ends in the first round and not
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  Speaker 4: really having a quarterback, and then like you said, splintering
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  Speaker 4: it with Cousins and Pennix, Penix with his injury history,
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  Speaker 4: and by the way, then they traded their twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: six first round pick to the Rams just to move
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  Speaker 4: up to get a defensive player who's fine but not
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: you know, winning games for them necessarily, and so next
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  Speaker 4: year they could be giving a top ten pick to
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  Speaker 4: the Rams that they could use for a building block
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  Speaker 4: long term. So yes, I think that is a textbook
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  Speaker 4: way not to do it. And the way the Raiders
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: are similar is that they've also taken you know, tight
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  Speaker 4: end in Bowers who is good but still a tight end,
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: and a running back this past year in the top
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  Speaker 4: five or six, and you know, they went after an
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  Speaker 4: old quarterback and Gino Smith kind of like Kirk Cousins was.
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  Speaker 4: And now they're probably gonna have a top ten pick.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Do they force a quarterback? Do they take their Michael
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  Speaker 4: Penix this next year just because they need one right?
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Or do they trade future picks because the urgency is
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  Speaker 4: ramped up and Pete Carroll needs this or that. I
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  Speaker 4: think that will be interesting to watch for them.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe the Chicago Bears? Do you believe in
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  Speaker 1: the Bears?
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  Speaker 4: No, not as a team it's going to go deep
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  Speaker 4: in the playoffs at all. But I do think that
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  Speaker 4: they are. You know, they have sort of broken the
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  Speaker 4: hecks of being a team that always sort of blows
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  Speaker 4: the game. I think that's been something they've won a
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: bunch of those close games, and you can't tell me
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: it's just you know, natural regression and progression and back
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: and forth, because every game last year was sort of,
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: you know, a referendum on their inability to finish the games. Right.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: They've lost on Hill Mary to Washington. They had a
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: lot of disasters. So I think this year they've been
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: better at that. I think the quarterback has been better,
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: with still some flaws and inconsistency, but I kind of
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: I think that Ben Jonson's had a positive effect on them,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that that's how you win some of
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  Speaker 4: these games they never could win before. But I do
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  Speaker 4: think that their defense is very turnover reliant that can
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  Speaker 4: dry up against the better teams. They've played a bunch
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: of bad quarterbacks for the most part. And then Kayle
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Williams still holds the ball a lot, which you know
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  Speaker 4: he's done a better job and is produced off of that,
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  Speaker 4: but he still took a sack fumble for a touchdown
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  Speaker 4: yesterday and still does hold it too long. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: San Francisco. I mean San Fransco holding on the final
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  Speaker 1: playoff spot right now in the NFC Detroit Carolina Dallas
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  Speaker 1: on their heels. Kind of a massive game tonight and
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  Speaker 1: from in terms of playoffs, somehow San Francisco is still around.
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  Speaker 1: Quick thoughts from Mike on Mike Sando on this game tonight.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the forty nine ers definitely win the game.
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  Speaker 4: I think they're better and so, you know, pretty remarkably
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  Speaker 4: if they do. I think they're going to be eight
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they which is a.
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  Speaker 4: Really good record. When you're playing hacker games without your
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  Speaker 4: players on defense, and Bosa and warrener out for the year.
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  Speaker 4: That's going to catch up to him. It has. Their
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  Speaker 4: defense hasn't been as good. You can't just patch it
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  Speaker 4: the whole time. But I do I do like them
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  Speaker 4: in this game. I think Carolina's uh not, just not
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  Speaker 4: a very good team overall, even though they do have
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  Speaker 4: a decent record.
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  Speaker 1: God, and if they win that, I mean, look at Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: How is Dallas gonna Dalla's going to make a push,
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  Speaker 1: aren't they. Dallas is going to make a push.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that coming into the year.
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  Speaker 4: I thought that Dallas could now this before the Micah
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• 53:42
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  Speaker 4: a better record with Dallas than the Bears have without
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  Speaker 4: him this year. That's not going to happen because the
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  Speaker 4: Bears have won. They're four No, I believe in games
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: has headed by three or fewer points. Yeah, so that's
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: probably not going to happen. But the Cowboys are five,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: five and one. You know what, though, They're going to
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: play Kansas City in Detroit the next two weeks. When
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: I saw them win the game, they go, they show
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  Speaker 4: Jerry Jones in the box and he's celebrating like they
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: won the Super Bowl. Yeah that's Dallas. I mean, they're
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: they're up, they're high, they've got it all figured out.
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  Speaker 4: And then they are losing by ten points to Arizona
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: like they did a couple of weeks too. They're losing
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: by three points to Carolina like they did a month ago. Yeah,
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: you know, that's still who they are, so you know
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: they may get to they what do they got one.
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  Speaker 1: They have six games left.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just say they win four of them, which
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying they will maybe three, you know.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: They win. If they win four, their nine six and one,
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  Speaker 1: that's on the cusp of playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, nine nine seven and one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: think they could be. They could be eight eight and one.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: How about that. That would be awesome. That would be perfect.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, that for folks who don't know, that's
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the second game for Thursday for Thanksgiving is Chiefs and Cowboys.
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  Speaker 1: That's juicy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, plan your dinner around that. You don't need to
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  Speaker 1: Mike Sando. I appreciate your time. Thank you, sir. We'll
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  Speaker 1: one thirty. That is. Yeah. My mother in law is like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: I grew up around a lot of the times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or.
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  Speaker 6: The timing of the games is different, a three hour different.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's the difference, yeah, because this would be one
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  Speaker 1: because I think they're gonna win by a touchdown or more?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do? Ah, that's the problem. There in
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  Speaker 1: What do you do? I know what I did. I
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  Speaker 1: all day, every day, Dan Lanning, I'm gonna finally get
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  Speaker 1: Let's go, oh boy, Jed Fish saying earlier today, it
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's go. What do you do here? Back? Four
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  Speaker 1: nine four five one organ mine of six and a
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  Speaker 1: half fiction Washington plus six and a half is your
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  Speaker 1: fiction pick. But yeah, that's what you do. What do
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  Speaker 1: you do? Andrews? What do you pick? I probably go
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  Speaker 1: Oregon minus six and a half. That's both a hedge
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  Speaker 1: and a I just think they're gonna win.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yep, Yeah, yep, I agree, I concur ian smiling.
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  Speaker 1: I just think, thank you. I normally go the other way.
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  Speaker 1: I normally just hedge it. But because because we went
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  Speaker 1: four to oh last week and had the perfect week,
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  Speaker 1: and now we're kind of climbing up a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and we can. We're probably not going to get to
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  Speaker 1: five hundred, but there might be a show or two
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise I would have because I do believe Oregon's gonna
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  Speaker 1: win by a touchdown. No more, I do believe that.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, you ain't playing UCLA with some fake ass
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  Speaker 1: field goal attempts and Nico chucking it the wrong way
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  Speaker 1: and all that, and that ain't gonna happen. Man, it
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  Speaker 9: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Satymorwor is here with us?
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  Speaker 9: Yes yes, yes, yes yes yes yes yes. Good effort
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  Speaker 9: by you guys against the dukes on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 9: Not bad, not bad I'm gonna bet the house on
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: you guys this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: You said that like the last four weeks. That's not true.
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  Speaker 1: What's the spreading that one?
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  Speaker 9: Oh, I've said I'm betting the house on this game
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  Speaker 9: against Oregon State or the every other game.
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  Speaker 1: No, you said it on every other game.
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  Speaker 9: No, No, I haven't touched Wazoo since the Virginal.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, here we go. So it's what's the line? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: what would make you comfortable? Give me a number that
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  Speaker 1: would make you comfortable to bet the house given five
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  Speaker 1: and a half, four and a half, six and a half,
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  Speaker 1: maybe minus thirteen and a half. Okay, you may not
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  Speaker 1: at the house. Maybe I'll just bet the garage. This
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  Speaker 1: is what I was like, Is he gonna say fourteen?
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  Speaker 9: Because I think backyard, this is what happens when your
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  Speaker 9: sons of bitches kicked the game in Corvalis. Everyone thinks
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  Speaker 9: you're gonna murder them in the game and pullman.
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  Speaker 1: So now I don't know if we're capable of murdering anybody,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: not with that offense and that offensive line, but the
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  Speaker 1: defense should be better playing there.
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  Speaker 9: I'm surprised a little bit by that line. I'm also surprised.
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  Speaker 9: Done by the bit by the Husky line on Saturday.
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  Speaker 9: It's only six and a half right now. I thought
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  Speaker 9: that line would be maybe a little bit bigger way
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  Speaker 9: by the Way eight or the nines or Oregon six
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  Speaker 9: and a half, fact four nine four five one of that.
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  Speaker 9: I saw that. Well, you know what I do. It's
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  Speaker 9: the emotional hatch. I just said that, play the Ducks,
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  Speaker 9: play the coups, and if they end up covering, great.
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  Speaker 9: If they don't, then you know, I'm walking away with
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 9: a win in my back pocket.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: What's your what's your level of stress for this game?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Not much? Not much? No, no, not much, really not much.
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  Speaker 9: I mean if we had beaten Wisconsin, it'd be a
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  Speaker 9: lot bigger if Washington had a shot.
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  Speaker 1: Because it would be a shot to the playoff.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and they were playing for that because like think
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  Speaker 9: about where they would be, right they would have been.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: They were twenty third, twenty fourth in the CFP the
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  Speaker 9: week before the Wisconsin game. So they keep winning, which
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  Speaker 9: they've done perdue U see all.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Way week, you're eight and three right now, you would
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  Speaker 1: have been nine.
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  Speaker 9: They would have been nine and two, and they might
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  Speaker 9: be in the top fifteen or so. In the country
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 9: right now outside shot you begin the college football playoff.
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  Speaker 1: Michigan's was fifteenth last week at nine and two, so
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  Speaker 1: you'd probably be right around sixteen seventeen, right right around.
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  Speaker 1: But a win over a team that's Donember five, of course.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying they'd be nine and two going into
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  Speaker 1: the game.
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  Speaker 9: I'm saying beat sixteenth or seventeen right because right now,
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  Speaker 9: because Michigan's not into you would be ready. They beat Oregon,
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  Speaker 9: they might jump the Wolverines even though they beat the Wolverines,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 9: because you know, who does Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: Play this weekend? Some team, some little team. I thinking
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: they had Michigan State for some reason. That's dumb. They
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: got Ohio State. So yeah, so know they would not
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: jump Michigan. Is your guy Tosh Lapois going to be
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: distracted this week getting the Cal job to some points?
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I hope, so I can tell you about distracted coaches.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 9: Is he going to stake money into a coffee can
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 9: like he did it you Doe on recruiting day? If
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: he takes the job down there at Cal?
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  Speaker 1: What's who's uh is it? Ron Rivera is the director
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  Speaker 1: of Football Ops or whatever it is or intro athletics director.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's okay with that. He's the football ops. Yeah,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's okay with that. Right, if you want
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: to win, you want to compete in those conferences, that's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: what you do, right, Just don't know what's illegal. Was
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: it a coffee cup? Or coffee? Was a coffee cup?
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  Speaker 9: And it was in the cafeteria, and like the coaches offices, Hey,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: let me show you the coaches offices. And then like
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: the kids like walking towards the maker and all of
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  Speaker 9: a sudden toss just like I'm sorry, it's a falling. Oh,
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  Speaker 9: look at that, there's a mug with thousands of dollars
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  Speaker 9: of cash in Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Did Tosh have the boat too? Was Tosh? They got
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: the boat? Rick at a boat? I know? No't didn't
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  Speaker 1: Tosh have a boat? I'm sure he took guys out
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  Speaker 1: on as well.
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  Speaker 4: He did.
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  Speaker 9: There was a lot of shenanigans going on back then.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: You know what, Really they were pioneers, they were ahead
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 9: of their time. They were all this stuff. Now was
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 9: looked at his cutting edge stuff.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Same as SMU was back in the day with Craig
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: James in the US, Eric Dickerson Carols.
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  Speaker 9: Carol's giving away free dryers and washers condos in LA.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: What's the big deal? A big deal?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 9: I remember my first NCAA violation I ever committed. Do
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 9: you guys remember committing a violation?
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: No? You did? Didn't you? Oh? Plenty? What you do?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? What you There's a couple times
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: where I think we've heard your name mentioned.
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  Speaker 9: I gave Dane Looker an m xp x CD from
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 9: the old Price closet. There was one more recent thing
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: that kJ R. I found out he was a big fan.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think you should be saying this.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Why it was twenty five years ago. Big statue?
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  Speaker 6: Was there a statue of limit es?
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  Speaker 1: Well plus plus? Now?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's illegal. I gave Keith Price five hundred dollars
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 9: in cash after a football game when he won.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah I did.
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  Speaker 6: No, he's joking, honey, What is it so?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: Keith Price has been gone for ten years? I think
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  Speaker 1: you're okay.
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  Speaker 6: That was so funny.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 9: I gave Keith five hundred bucks and then I took
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: it back when they blew that twenty eight ten league
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 9: in the Apple cop.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: What money back? Through the interception of my money? Interception
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: of poll he said, I want my money back. Oh yeah,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: that was Mike LEAs one win against you dub right
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: in that game. Yeah, Craig, Craig buller Jack on the call.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 9: We blew a twenty eight to ten lead, missed a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: chip shot field goal at end the game, and regulation
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: you guys won an overtime. And then Austin Seferian Jenkins
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: got sucker punched by a fan.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah that sucked.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: That sucked. That was that did that.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 6: It was actually someone wearing you dubbed gear who punched him.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: That's not true.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 6: No, if you've watched the video, yep, Cougar fan Posy
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  Speaker 6: definitely in for Oh okay, I got it. Definitely in purple.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 9: Oregon fans, Washington fans, Cougar fans go on social media
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  Speaker 9: impersonating the other fan base and Africa jerk on purpose.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: Well, just so people will think the fan basis. You're
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: just you're the one that can answer that, because it's
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Oregon Duck week and you're the guy, and everyone is
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: a lot like I like watching your next account on
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  Speaker 1: this week because it's highly entertained.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: Well, I might just back off this week. Who knows,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: Maybe I'll surprise you. Maybe I'll take the high.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: Road a Anderson, Oh, do me a favorite, make a
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  Speaker 1: burner account for ducks of me, No for the ducks
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  Speaker 1: that I can never do that, troll him and then
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: see if you can actually it isn't.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: It's not that easy. It used to be that easy.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 9: With is I'm fifty two years old and not twenty
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 9: eight anymore. I don't give a damn anymore. All right,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: clip that, let's clip that. Let's see o the week.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: I don't give a damn show this week.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 9: I did him and Wilner yesterday, and we recorded something
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 9: for his radio show last night.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: So I have no idea when he's gonna run it. Well,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: once that runs, I'll keep an eye on what it
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: happens online. All right, we got today, we got What's Today? Monday?
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  Speaker 9: Monday A little fun with audio three forty five responded
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  Speaker 9: the Seahawk game obviously a little more more for four.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 9: And then we got Panthers Niners Monday Night Football without
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 9: Kevin Harlan.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: He is not doing the game tonight. What what.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 9: He's spending the week with his family. It's Thanksgiving week
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: and he wants some time off. He works his ass off.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 9: You know that By the way NBA, NFL TV radios,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 9: just give up the NBA.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: He's got the night off tonight, all right, who's doing
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: the game? I have no idea. Kevin and Kougler don't know.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Kevin Kougler don't know. All right. For the mild mannered
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  Speaker 1: and marginally objectionably in forness this paddle day, saying so
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  Speaker 1: long everyone,