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Shaping Tigs Pitching Rotation After Stressful South Beach Trip · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

• 0:06
  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode, uh Tiger Territory, part of
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: the Ory Network.
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: Ada. I'm Karen Stickley with.
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Me and as nobody's is a man who once beat
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal in the Oklahoma Drill.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: But how you doing?
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm I'm just not gonna touch that one, all.
• 0:31
  Speaker 4: All right? All right?
• 0:32
  Speaker 3: What are we talking about? Off this series in Miami?
• 0:34
  Speaker 3: Trek Scooble. That's probably a good place to start, k School.
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: I don't know, were you watching live when Schooble left
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  Speaker 3: that game, Karen?
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  Speaker 2: I was, I was.
• 0:44
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: I was mid lighting the chimney for a little charcoal
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: cookout and uh, and let's just say dinner happened a
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: little bit later on Friday night because I wasn't doing
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: anything but watching and checking footer and trying to see
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: if there was any videos or like trying to figure
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: out what happened, because like the broadcast didn't have like
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  Speaker 1: a great look. I mean, it took me a while
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  Speaker 1: to realize like the whole gesture anything from tarrek Uh
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  Speaker 1: and then and then I was just like everybody else
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  Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan, turning blue, holding my breath.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: Uh for like what could what could be like derailing
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  Speaker 1: what has been you know, fun and in some ways
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  Speaker 1: like magical season to this point. Quite relieved on Saturday though,
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: but like, but I'm curious, Like you're there, You're trying
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: to piece it together. You're in the news gathering business,
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  Speaker 1: so I can only imagine, like what's going on with
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: you and your fellow beat writers.
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  Speaker 2: And but you actually got to talk.
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  Speaker 1: To to Terrek afterwards, so like kind of share with us,
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  Speaker 1: like your kind of experience through that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, probably not a whole lot different than you know.
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  Speaker 3: If I were at home watching on TV, I saw
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  Speaker 3: the trainers come out for Terrek and was like, oh boy,
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: this is not what you want to see. This is
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  Speaker 3: what everyone's been afraid to speak out loud for forever.
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: I had no idea what it happened. I had to
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  Speaker 3: pull up the broadcast on my computer and go back
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  Speaker 3: and saw the shot of him, you know, grabbing under
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  Speaker 3: his rip cage, which still hard to tell exactly what
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  Speaker 3: that could be. I think the fear there is lat
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  Speaker 3: but you got oblique, he got intercostal. You know, it
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  Speaker 3: could be anything you didn't know. And after seeing that,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I don't feel great that he
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  Speaker 3: could have been grabbing at his lat The team came
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: with word fairly quickly after that left side discomfort. He
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: was getting evaluated. It's like, all right, that don't really help.
• 2:35
  Speaker 3: Went downstairs after the game. That was pretty clearly what
• 2:38
  Speaker 3: all the focus was going to beyond. Tigers didn't play
• 2:41
  Speaker 3: a good game, but it wouldn't have mattered. That was
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  Speaker 3: That was it.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I wrote like testing on his left side well determined
• 2:47
  Speaker 3: could determine the fate of the Tiger season. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that was hyperbole, Like let's just be real.
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  Speaker 3: Without him in playoffs, these boys, he could be bad.
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  Speaker 3: The good news was scoobl still their postgame, he talked,
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  Speaker 3: he addressed it. Kudos to him a for doing that,
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: trying to get a read on his words. You guys
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  Speaker 3: can see the quotes, they're all out there. I wrote
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  Speaker 3: about it like it was interesting. I think he was.
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  Speaker 3: He was trying to convey some optimism, as players always do,
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  Speaker 3: but I think you could tell he knew there was
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: something wrong. So I left that scrum like not real
• 3:24
  Speaker 3: sure what to think. It wasn't one of those blindly
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  Speaker 3: like I'm good, I'm gonna make my next start. It
• 3:29
  Speaker 3: was kind of like, well, you know, I'm optimistic. They're
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  Speaker 3: nothing that clearly jumped out, but hey, you know, I've
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  Speaker 3: never felt this before. I took myself out of the game,
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  Speaker 3: so I didn't know how to feel man after that one,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, if he knows there's something off,
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  Speaker 3: there must be something off. Good news is went from
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  Speaker 3: Miami to Detroit Saturday morning. He got the scan. It
• 3:50
  Speaker 3: came back seems like there's no major damage. Although be real,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes we hear that in scans and then we hear
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  Speaker 3: differently later. But it seems for now like things are good.
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  Speaker 3: They're proceeding with optimism. He stayed in Detroit. He'll resume
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  Speaker 3: his kind of normal between starts routine. He's currently listed
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  Speaker 3: as the probable starter. For some reason, there was some
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  Speaker 3: reporting that aj Hinch said he's expected to make his
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  Speaker 3: next start. I'm not saying he's not gonna make the
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  Speaker 3: next start. To be clear, AJ didn't say that. AJ
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  Speaker 3: said like, they're gonna take it day by day. I'll
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  Speaker 3: know more once he starts doing more. So I certainly
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  Speaker 3: think the vibe right now is that things are good,
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  Speaker 3: but a little bit of a cautious optimism. Because he's
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to throw, he's gonna have to probably get
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  Speaker 3: off the mound. You're gonna have to make sure things
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  Speaker 3: are really good so that Terrek Scouble can be Terrek Scougle.
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  Speaker 3: And at this point in the calendar, with the playoffs
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  Speaker 3: coming up, you can't mess around with this thing if
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  Speaker 3: he's not one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you probably say, all right, man, you're done.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get you back in the playoffs. So we'll see
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  Speaker 3: what the next update is.
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  Speaker 2: So far, so good, though, Yeah, it was weird because.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you hear the Titan his part and you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know the fact that he's like the
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  Speaker 1: reason why teams and players don't put these guys in
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  Speaker 1: front of microphones and cameras in this situation is because
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  Speaker 1: he really doesn't know anything, nor do they know anything.
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  Speaker 1: So like that that that's like the relatively unique part
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  Speaker 1: of the fact that they did.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously glad that he.
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  Speaker 1: Did, and a J two and uh, the classic ajasm
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  Speaker 1: underrated ajaism of well you can talk to him like, well,
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  Speaker 1: he loves that you can tek him. Uh, and so
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  Speaker 1: so that was relatively encouraging that Trek did talk I
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  Speaker 1: did find that to be like a overall good sign,
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  Speaker 1: but again you just never know until until tests come back.
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  Speaker 1: And it was like all good or as good as
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  Speaker 1: could be, was close to the direct quote the next
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  Speaker 1: day from from.
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  Speaker 2: Aj and Uh it was.
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  Speaker 1: It allowed me to stop going through a lot of
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  Speaker 1: like the scenarios in my head, and it's like, is
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  Speaker 1: my work schedule with this gonna be a little bit
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  Speaker 1: shorter than maybe I was thinking before, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: and so like that.
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  Speaker 3: People text me about like concerts in October.
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  Speaker 1: Well, but like, but a couple a couple like thoughts
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  Speaker 1: now that you know what we know. What we know
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  Speaker 1: is that one if he does make this start on Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: after all these times that pitchers have said like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my next star, then they don't that
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what to believe with anything anymore ever,
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  Speaker 1: because this would be like kind of the Primo time
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  Speaker 1: and the Primo guy and the Premo Stakes to just
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  Speaker 1: be like I think we can, we can, we can
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  Speaker 1: see it next week a little bit, you know that
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  Speaker 1: That would that so I would I'm going with the
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  Speaker 1: thought of I would be kind of shocked if if
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  Speaker 1: he did pitch another thing too, And maybe the unanswerable
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  Speaker 1: question is like how much did it affect him the
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  Speaker 1: whole game, because lost in the sauce is that this
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  Speaker 1: was not a was shaping up to be a cy
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  Speaker 1: Young resume outing from Trek, you know, and and that
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  Speaker 1: really kind of set the set the table for the
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: Tigers over the whole weekend because you drop that game,
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  Speaker 1: no one really cares because the schoobl thing, and then
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  Speaker 1: you you go behind early on Saturday, you come back,
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  Speaker 1: and then you end up losing in extra endings and
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  Speaker 1: then you know, you salvage it a little bit on Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: But the whole thing just kind of felt like a cloud.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like a cloud not really realizing what's real,
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  Speaker 1: what's not real. Uh, you would like to think that this,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully the Sunday can give them a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a less scary situation after just kind of like a weird,
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  Speaker 1: a weird road trip, even with the Yankee series like
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  Speaker 1: being successful.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, no doubt, I think there was there
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  Speaker 3: was a little maybe I was projecting my own tension.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, there was a there was a little
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  Speaker 3: tension on the trip, and I think it makes sense
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  Speaker 3: like there was just a lot going on. They went
• 7:53
  Speaker 3: to Yankee Stadium, they played, well, you had the athletics story,
• 7:57
  Speaker 3: you had, you know, Donald Trump was the game, which
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: they had to go through a little more security at
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: the hotel. There was just a lot going on. They
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  Speaker 3: didn't get to Miami until really late, like settled around
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  Speaker 3: four am. You played two dud games against a sub
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  Speaker 3: five hundred team, You had the Schooble thing, you had,
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  Speaker 3: you know, things going on in the country. Like I
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  Speaker 3: think everyone was maybe just on edge a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I think they needed that Sunday win just to ease
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  Speaker 3: any can synomes of like something else going on here,
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  Speaker 3: like are these guys all right? And I wrote about
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: that and alluded to that. We've talked before about like
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  Speaker 3: is it different with this team being front runners and
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  Speaker 3: whether it's impacted their play or their psychology, who knows,
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  Speaker 3: But I do think, man, when they clinch, I think
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna be a little more of just an exhale,
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  Speaker 3: like all right, we got there. We didn't blow it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, or at least that's how it was on
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  Speaker 3: track to be. If they can strengthen together some good games,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, sweep the Guardians clinch Thursday. Maybe it
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  Speaker 3: feels a little bit more like the party it should be.
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: But I think maybe that comes with what happens when
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: you're in first place for one hundred and seventy five days.
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  Speaker 3: That can be taxing in its own right. I mean,
• 9:09
  Speaker 3: go read quotes from Sparky Anderson in nineteen eighty four,
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  Speaker 3: you know, so there's a factor to consider with these
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  Speaker 3: guys right now.
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  Speaker 2: A lot going on, no doubt about that.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, we are going to take a quick break
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: and then kind of talk a little bit about what
• 9:24
  Speaker 1: we saw from other pitchers not named Schooble, particularly on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: the last episode of the week we do I make
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  Speaker 2: And I've been on a decent streak, but I think I.
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  Speaker 1: Need a ruling from you at a non biased third
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• 11:00
  Speaker 1: Perez double for I have to do it for Friday's game,
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: So I picked it for Friday's game. Wentzel Perez is
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: not in the lineup on Friday. He is in the
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: lineup on Saturday. So the next time he's in the lineup,
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: he hits a double. That bet that pick that I
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  Speaker 1: the lineup. I had no idea whether he would be
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: in the lineup or not, obviously doing that in advance.
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  Speaker 2: So my question to you, do I get credit for
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  Speaker 2: a w there?
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  Speaker 3: Like I guess have credit? You know, if we had
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: any listeners who took your advice, maybe you'd have to
• 11:39
  Speaker 3: ask them because if they placed that for Friday's game,
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: then they're probably not too happy they placed that for
• 11:44
  Speaker 3: Saturday's game. Maybe they are. I don't love talking about
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: betting on baseball because it's naturally uncomfortable, So maybe maybe
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: I'll just leave it at that. I think I think
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  Speaker 3: you know if you have placed it for Friday, great
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  Speaker 3: or bad. If you placed it for Saturday, Okay, then
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  Speaker 3: it counts fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of the one of those things.
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  Speaker 1: It was out of my control, but I do like mentally,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I got it correct because again the
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: next time he was all right, Uh, let's let's move
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: on to one of the what probably would have been
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: one of the more interesting and especially when you're talking
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: about playoff piece stuff. Uh, had school Baal not gotten hurt,
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: would be Jose or Keati uh making his Tigers debut.
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: This was Uh, this was like one of those if
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: you love the savvy Scott Harris, like, this is one
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: of the moves that the whole time was like, man,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: this actually could end up being like a really smart
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: play by by the front office there because obviously he's
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: you know, they signed him when he's still recovering from
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Tommy John and so he hadn't pitched in two years.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: He made a relief appearance on on Sunday when one
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: point one endings. He had a couple of strikeouts, including
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: his first batter, two hits and a walk, so we
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: got we got to see finally the mystery man. Jose
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  Speaker 1: is a guy with playoff experience for a j what
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  Speaker 1: to make of his his first little action.
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  Speaker 2: And then also like you know, talking with him seeing
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: you know what what's he like?
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, number one Hoose or Kidis really good guy, has
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: a really great reputation around the league. You can tell
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: he was a little bit emotional, very happy to be back.
• 13:29
  Speaker 3: He said like three times. You know, the first thing
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: I did was walk in and just think aj for
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: this opportunity, worked really hard to be in this spot
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: watching him pitch. Who knows right through one in the
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: third innings why he had a punch a walk but
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: he didn't allow any runs but to two inherited runners
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  Speaker 3: that Tommy Kinley stranded. The stuff wasn't amazing. You know,
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: he's really known for his control. There was some of that.
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  Speaker 3: There was a middle, middle pitch he kind of got
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  Speaker 3: away with. Like, as I've said, this guy is not
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: pitching the big leagues in a long time. The last
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: time he did pitch in the major leagues he had
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: a five plus ERA. So we will see. I'm interested
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: to get a closer look at him. I kind of
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: wrote that, you know, he's hoping he pitches in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: There's designs that he could help this team in October,
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  Speaker 3: and in a way there is, and in a way
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  Speaker 3: I almost forget kind of putting that out there. The
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: Tigers have a lot of bodies competing for a limited
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: amount of spots on the playoff roster. Even in the
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: next few days. I wouldn't be surprised if Paul Seawald
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: is activated. It's an interesting question who's coming off this roster.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: Brent Herder's coming back. You'll probably do a lefty for
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: lefty Herder horn switch spinning on what matchups you're going for.
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  Speaker 3: And then the hope is to get Kyle Finningen back
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  Speaker 3: relatively soon. Finning in for the record, from what I
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: can tell, looks way ahead of schedule. He looks ready
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  Speaker 3: to go. We'll see if the Tigers put him give
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: him one rehab outing. That's kind of tough giving the
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: triple A schedule this time of year. But all signs
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: are good right now with Kyle Finnigan. So you got
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: two more guys coming onto this roster. You got Urkidi
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: just back. You have cater Montero starting to look pretty nice.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: Here's a projection Evan Woodberry of him live did what
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: his playoff pitching roster would be, and this does not
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: contain Jose Orchidi, and you wonder how you would actually
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: get him on there. I mean, Charlie Morton is gonna
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: have probably start pitching a little better. But Morton does
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: have kind of an outlier curve ball that maybe could
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: be useful in certain situations. You know, I think that
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: would be a debate one. But cater Montero is also
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: not one here at this moment. You know, Hanna Fee
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: hasn't been used in a ton of big settings, but
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: he's been really good fulleria all year. He's a sinker,
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: reliable ground ball guy. Seaball does not pitched in forever.
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  Speaker 3: Is it a foregun conclusion that he's on the playoff roster?
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  Speaker 3: I kind of, you know, I would lean that way,
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  Speaker 3: but who actually knows? Might depend on how he looks.
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  Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of competition. This is a
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: twelve man roster. The Tigers could also carry thirteen pictures
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  Speaker 3: if they wanted to. In the alds might not be
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: as necessary as it would be in a seven game series.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot going on before we know. If her
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  Speaker 3: Jose Rakity, you know how much more we will see
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  Speaker 3: If her Jose ra Kitty.
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  Speaker 1: That's funny looking at this and I love doing this
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: exercise because when it's right there in front of you,
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  Speaker 1: So if you guys are watching on YouTube, you can
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  Speaker 1: kind of follow along with our thought process here.
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  Speaker 2: No Tommy Kinley either.
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  Speaker 3: Kinley's been I test hasn't been great, but scoreless and
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  Speaker 3: tent of his last eleven.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing like that.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: This was.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Like Sunday oddly was like a like the whole time
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: on Sunday, I was like, could some of these guys
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: get like real meaningful leverage postseason ish like runs like
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: you know, the Rukii thing we just talked about, you know,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Kainlee uh As We've talked about a lot and you know,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: obviously vest in the back end. That's that speaks for itself.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: But Montero, like like, if you're one of those guys,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: and when talking about cater Montero in this specific instance,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: if you're one of those guys, it's been like kind
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of asking the question over and over again, like why
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: aren't we getting more cater Montero like like he is,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: he's as experienced as anybody on this roster really in
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: terms of pitching, uh you know, in meaningful, meaningful games.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: This was an example like you five five innings, he
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: gave up three hits, You had five k's. You didn't
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: have you know, didn't have a run, didn't have a walk,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: like you got a little feather in your cap if
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: your team cater you know, and then you know, Rafael
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: I want to say the other Montero, but you know
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Like Rafael Montero is another one where
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: it's like there's a couple of these guys where it's
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: like where's your where is where's your stomach? Like are
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you how much are you able to stomach some of
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: these guys because it's like, eh, like you see it,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: but can you trust it all that much?
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Basically try out for two weeks if you have me fascinating.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: I don't want to speculate too much on someone's livelihood here,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: But we haven't brought up the name Chris Paddock, who's
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: a trade deadline acquisition, got himself a nice saving Yankee Stadium.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: Is he even going to make it to the finish line?
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: You know, if you're bringing up a seawall or a finnigin,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: that could be another roster option that would make a
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: lot of sense, because right now I think Paddock is
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: pretty easily eliminated from your playoff roster, and that's just
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: being real.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again one of the there guys that are
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: going to be you know, presumably pitching uh in high
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: leverage spots in the postseason or you know, we're seeing
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: on the line division on the line that we're acquired
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: for less asset levels than and you know, I'm just
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: kind of speaking about that frankly, not in a like
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: critical way, you know, it's just how how it played out.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Uh So, So yeah, uh.
• 19:11
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• 19:15
  Speaker 1: We had a question on ex really known as Twitter,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: but we gotta get to a break first. So on
• 19:21
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, I'm my credit Steve on
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  Speaker 1: and we'll go from there. Ida for the pod tonight
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: mentioning how identical identical Torques twenty twenty three and twenty
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: twenty five seasons now are tork is great now better defensively,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: but turning out not to be the breakout we thought
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: in April.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: He not.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: He just might be CJ. Crohne slash Hoskins in a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: good year.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: So what do you think, yeah, I responded, So people
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: get so mad at me when I talk like this.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: You guys seem always like I need to either talk
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: about Spencer Turklesen like he is prime Mark McGuire or
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: like he's a bust who will never play in the
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: major leagues. I think this comparison might just be spot on.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Spencer Turkelesen is having himself a nice year. Let it's
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: not overlook that in any way. He's got twenty eight homers,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: one fifteen WRC plus career high two point one wins
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: above replacement. But you shock a lot of that up,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: and it is more like yeah, Reys Hoskins CJ. Cron
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: level than it is, you know, anything else. He's become
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: a little bit better version than the twenty twenty three
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: version of himself, largely because his defense has been better.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: He's at plus four defensive run saved negative one outs
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: above average. I do think he just has become a
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: little more comfortable on defense. He's still not quite gold
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Glove level, you know, or anything like that can still
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: make a clumsy play here and there. He's been better,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: he's moving better. Deserves a lot of credit for that.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: If you go look at similarity scores on Baseball Reference
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: for Torglsen. Obviously this includes the the lean times in
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: his career, but similar batters Craig Kuzick, Norm Zoken, Dan Johnson,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Mark Johnson, Brett Wallace, Gaiale Harris, similar batters three age
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: twenty four, kN the Hawk, Carrelson, Derek Lee who turned
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: into a really good player, George Scott, Jared Kellenick, Justin
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Smoke is the name people might be familiar with Smoke.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: These are the players he's mixed in with now based
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: on the performance at this point in his career, and
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: if he continues to have years like this, or he's
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: a two two and a half war first baseman, that's
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: good and you will certainly take that. If he can
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: hit thirty homers, you want that on your ball club.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: But as a right handed first basement, it's not necessarily
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: going to get you paid with some super lucrative deal.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Like I this is just what the facts tell me.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: I think Torque deserves a lot of credit for his work,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: for his mental fortitude, for having a good year being
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: a full cerman in the middle of this order. But
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: if we're just real about like where the performance is at,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I think it's closer to what Steve fished.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Sure, and just a couple other numbers to contextualize this
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: in that twenty twenty three I guess we can call
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: it like a breakout season, since you know, his first
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: time he has kind of shown like real major league
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: ability with thirty home runs. He was a this on
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Baseball Reference, he was a negative one point eight defensive
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: war player, so nearly two negative two defensive war this
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: year just negative point three, so just like right below
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: average obviously, and actually the same offensive war. I mean,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: it's back an average is near identical. Probably the biggest
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: difference if you want to look from twenty twenty three
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to now, is that his on base was three to
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: one three shout out in twenty twenty three, and then
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: this year currently it's three thirty two.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So there's that's huge.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I think he needs to be a three thirty plus
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: on base guy, and he's he's taking his walks more
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: and that's helping, and.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: That's and that's been the case. He has been a
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: better at bat since he came back up last season
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like that's been that was clear the entire way it's
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's played out this year, and he deserves a lot
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of credit for that, you know, the change in the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the change in the load, I guess as well as
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: like it's fine, it's working, I still feel like, like
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know if everybody's up their own
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: interpretation whether it's a breakout year for him, I would
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: kind of lean to the emotional yes part of that,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: even if you, let's say, well, well you already had
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: a thirty home run season. This guy was literally like
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: his job was taken from him in the offseason, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: then he won it in spring training, and then he
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: just held it down the entire the entire season and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: has been one of the more steady presences on this team.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Not one of the more spectacular, but one of the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: more steady presences on this team. Uh So, like I'm
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: still gonna like emotionally hedge into the way of like
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: a breakout because we were not you would be you
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: look at these numbers now and be like, I don't
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: really know if we're getting anything close to twenty twenty three,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: even the good you know, coming into this year, So
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that's why.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I give him credit for that.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But it is an interesting thought discussion, especially we'll have
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: plenty of time for this, but especially as you start
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: projecting out into the future. Okay, ESPN, we can we
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: can end here with a little a little bit of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: a exercise ESPN put out today as they pull it
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: up their app like some like anonymous scouts, coaches, players
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: kind of speaking on all the MLB contenders and in
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: this poll which this is about, you know, twenty something
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that they got ahold of, they had the Toronto Blue
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Jays as the quote team to beat in the American League,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: but the Tigers literally right behind them. So I just
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: wanted to say, like, what are people what are people
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: saying about the Tigers? And then you know, just kind
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of react and see if it's like accurate to out
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: or thoughts. This was an anonymous American League player. It's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: all americanly so their peers American League player, Detroit is
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: high on that list of teams to beat. They know
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: how to win, that's the biggest thing. They proved that
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: last season. They've turned that park into a nice home
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: field advantage. I know they go first to third better
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: than anyone that is key playing in that So they
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: are high on that list because they know how to win.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: That is the biggest thing.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing of the quote is that they
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: know how to win. So that's a that's a player
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: looking at them being like that, we can't mess around
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: basically against the Tigers.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's important to note. I
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: think some of the other perspective listed they are important
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: to note, Like people in the league don't enjoy the Tigers.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: They do not view them as a pushover. They do
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: not really view them as overachievers anymore. They play a
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: tough brand of baseball.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: People know that, and probably if you're a player, you're
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: probably thinking like, I'm gonna like like, mentally, I'm gonna
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: be exhausted after.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: A series of the Tigers. Yeah, because you cannot take.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: It's not just like you obviously can't take any plays off,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: but you can't take a part of a playoff like
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you always have to be like on it, you know.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And that's why I mentioned the first or third thing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: That's why we talk about all the time. Uh, this
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: is from a scout, an American league scout. Sometimes seeing
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a team play a lot, you can get a more
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: negative opinion than what their record is. I think that's
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: a very relatable statement, and sometimes it can be a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: more positive opinion than their record. With the Tigers, it's
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the latter, and they already have a really good record.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: So that's somebody saying they're like, I've watched this team
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a lot and they have a good record, but I
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: think they're actually better than that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: It's not just like, you know, like a fluke or whatever.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: So I thought that was pre interesting coming from a scout.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just a perspective right there.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And then an executive, an American League executive. I assume
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: this was probably mentioned prior to Friday, but hopefully should
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: still hold some water. I've tried to fill out playoff
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: rotations without a true ace.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: It's really tough.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: So having Tarror Schoogle makes all the difference for me,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: unless he runs out of gas. Detroit is my pick
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: as the quote team to team to be. So what
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you have here from a scout perspective and an executive
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: perspective and a player perspective is they play, they.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Know how to win. They you watch.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: The more you watch them, the more you like the
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: way that they approach the game and they have the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: ultimate ace and the whole metaphorically speaking in Tek Schooble.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty positive outlook for the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Tigers as we talk about all the things they could.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Or could go wrong.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: No, no, it really is like it brings up all
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: the strengths. I think there their brand to play and
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Schooble are their great equalizers, are the things that could
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: propel them forward. It didn't get into any of the weaknesses.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: But that's interesting because the outside observers art is concerned
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: with maybe some of the weaknesses, as those of us
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: who are locked in on the team every day, are
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: the things that stand out more than the weaknesses. Seems
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: like the positives. So yeah, I think that's fun. I
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: think that's interesting to read into here. And the Tigers
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: man hasn't been the smoothest sailing. You can go all
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the way back to June third. They are only one
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: game above five hundred. They're below five hundred in the
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: second half. But I wouldn't write them off. I would
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: not write them off, especially giving the makeup of this
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: the rest of this American League.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Yep, and you know there's a.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: There's a way to kind of put yourself back in
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the light that you view yourself, and that's take care
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: of business against against Cleveland.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: This week, you know.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we should note that too. This has a
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: chance to be a really fun home stand, some good crowds,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: the possibility of a clinching celebration. I think it'd be
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: nice to take care of business against your division rivals.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: That would go a long way. But yeah, this could
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: be a really fun week at Camerica Park, and kind of,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: like I said at the start of this episode, a
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: way to maybe maybe go into this thing with with
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: some better momentum than you've had the last several weeks
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: or last month or two.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: So if the Tigers magic number is two going into Thursday,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: and how hard is schooble on AJ's ass to start that.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Game, I don't know. I wouldn't want to be the
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: manager in that situation. Come on, bro, we got we
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: got more games. All that really matters here is the playoffs.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: And so I do think they gotta be careful. If
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: he's not one hundred, I'm not sure that's worth any
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: risk whatsoever. So we will see. Yeah, I mean, their
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: magic number is seven entering this series. But because they
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: hold the head to head tiebreaker a sweep. The magic
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: number would technically still be one, but you would you
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: would clinch with a sweep.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so all right, well it's all in front of them. Yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I'll go in with the macroview midway through September,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks left in the season. Everything, even
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: with that skid, the skids, I should say, everything's in
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: problem in front of this series. And that's a very
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: exciting thing for any baseball fan, and especially Detroit fan
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: who's looking to have this team accomplished something that hasn't
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: been done and over a decade. So it should be
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun, a lot to look forward to.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: And we will report on this Cleveland series or later
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: in the week and have all the reactions in preview
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the last home stand, the last home series, I should say,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: of the season until the stakes become a lot higher potentially.
• 32:20
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