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UNSOLVED: Georgia Teen Randisha Love Found Dead in Foyer of Family Home · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. An absolutely gorgeous teen girl
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Speaker 1: is murdered, and today her mother tells us quote, I
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Speaker 1: just hate the holidays, especially Mother's Day. You're a mom,
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Speaker 1: but you're missing your child. That is a fate I
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Speaker 1: do not wish on anyone. We want answers. I Meancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and Series eleven. First of all,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. Randisha Love was a seventeen
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Speaker 1: year old honor student and ROTC member at Westlake High School.
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Speaker 1: Shortly after she called her mother to say she made
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Speaker 1: it home from school that day, her mother and younger
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Speaker 1: brother found her dead in the front hallway of their
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Speaker 1: home near College Park. Caama was there the door kicked in,
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Speaker 1: any signs of favorite and truth? It wasn't in the song.
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Speaker 1: It was just everything looked just normal right now. I
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Speaker 1: really when I went in the house and saw my baby,
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Speaker 1: my mind just went completely blanked. You were hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends at Fox five, but you are also hearing Randish's mom,
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Speaker 1: Qatara Ham, who is joining us right now. Miss Ham,
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Speaker 1: there are there are no words that I know of
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Speaker 1: and the English language to tell you how how much
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Speaker 1: I hate what you're going through. And I really appreciate
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Speaker 1: you being with us today because you know what, it's
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Speaker 1: just so easy in this world to read a headline
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Speaker 1: or hear a blurb online or on the radio when
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Speaker 1: you're in your car and you just chalk it off.
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Speaker 1: It's another statistic. Your girl is dead, someone murdered. You're
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Speaker 1: a girl, and she is not just a statistic. What
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Speaker 1: happened the day you came home. I came home. My
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Speaker 1: son got in the house before I did, and I
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Speaker 1: walked in the door, and I'm like, was the door unlocked?
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Speaker 1: And he was just had a blank stare. He was
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Speaker 1: like gifts. And I'm calling. I'm like, Randy Sha, Randy Sha,
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Speaker 1: because I'm like, you know, why was the door unlocked?
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Speaker 1: You know, you're here by yourself. And he looked at
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Speaker 1: me and he looked down and he looked at me
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Speaker 1: and he's like, mom, she's right here. And I looked
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Speaker 1: down and I just saw my baby in a pool
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Speaker 1: of blood. And it's something that I'll never ever ever forget.
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Speaker 1: When I close my eyes, I see her land there.
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Speaker 1: When I opened my eyes, I see her land there.
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Speaker 1: That's the It's not like nobody called me and said
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Speaker 1: we found her daughter. This said I saw everything for
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Speaker 1: myself and I saw you know, it's it's unimaginable on
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Speaker 1: just how I felt at that moment, a moment I
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Speaker 1: can't even explain how I feel right now. Um as
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Speaker 1: you just said, there's no words in the English dictionary
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Speaker 1: to explain my emotions and what I go through every
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Speaker 1: day and what I've been through for the past six years.
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Speaker 1: Is Randisha's mom, Miss him Katara Him. You can find
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Speaker 1: her online at Justice Justice for Randisha. The four is
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Speaker 1: a number, Justice for Randisha, and Cheryl McCollum is joining me.
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Speaker 1: Longtime friend and colleague. We grew up in the trenches
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Speaker 1: of inner city Atlanta fighting crime. She's now the founder
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Speaker 1: and director of the Cold Case Research Institute. Cheryl, you
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Speaker 1: have your two babies and I have mine. All of
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Speaker 1: them are about the age of Randisha. I think about
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Speaker 1: my little Lucy is about turn fifteen. This is about
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Speaker 1: the age of Randisha. Can you even imagine what Miss
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Speaker 1: Hamm has gone through? And it's really hard for me
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Speaker 1: to believe that this case is unsolved. That's total bs,
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Speaker 1: It's gut wrenching, and you know, Randisha is right in
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Speaker 1: the middle of Lucy and Caroline. So Caroline's a nighteen,
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Speaker 1: she's seventeen, and then you know Lucy's fifteen. You know out,
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Speaker 1: Miss Cheryl, I left John David the mix because he's
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Speaker 1: already six six. But these girls, Lucy, Caroline, Randisha, they
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Speaker 1: can't fight back the way a grown boy or a
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Speaker 1: grown man could. I mean, And clearly she's been caught unaware.
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Speaker 1: She's right there as you enter into the home and
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Speaker 1: the door was left unlocked when the pep left. Why
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Speaker 1: in the hay is this case unsolved? Why is miss
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Speaker 1: ham number one? She can't heal. She may never heal
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Speaker 1: even if she gets answers, because there's no such thing
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Speaker 1: as closure. Cheryl McCall, we know that. But she can't
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Speaker 1: even start to heal until the case is solved. But
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Speaker 1: let's talk about Randisha. She was not the child that
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Speaker 1: ran the streets. She didn't date gang members, she wasn't
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Speaker 1: using drugs. She was the kid that went, hey, mama,
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Speaker 1: mama consulting that you even put that out there, No
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Speaker 1: one thoughts, well, God do any of this? This is no,
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Speaker 1: But we gonna make it clear that and on finding
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Speaker 1: her own business in her own home, Nancy, she made
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Speaker 1: too do a home that day, what miss em. She
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Speaker 1: was doing homework, her her computer and paperwork was there.
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Speaker 1: She was doing homework when Dsha was a straight A student,
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Speaker 1: had been in had been since she was in elementary school.
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Speaker 1: She was at she was the perfect No, no about
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Speaker 1: its perfect. But she was my perfect daughter. You know.
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Speaker 1: That's what I say about the twins. They're practically perfect
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Speaker 1: in every way. That really got to me, Cheryl, because
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Speaker 1: last night when I went to that, I had to
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Speaker 1: get up super earlier this morning for thirty and when
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Speaker 1: I went to bed, I checked on the twins, of course,
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Speaker 1: and little Lucy John David was passed out. You know,
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Speaker 1: at whatever time ten thirty, Lucy was curled up in
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Speaker 1: a ball making notes, studying, studying, and she had three
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Speaker 1: bottles of white out in case she made a mistake.
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Speaker 1: She's that particular. She'll white it out and then fix
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Speaker 1: it in her own note and her own notes. I'm
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Speaker 1: just thinking about Rhodisha studying at the time this happened,
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Speaker 1: and Nancy. That's why I wanted to be clear for
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Speaker 1: everybody listening. We know her, but your audience needs to
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Speaker 1: know her. This was a child that was in Rotc.
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Speaker 1: She wanted to go to the Air Force. She was
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Speaker 1: a straight as student, but she also didn't miss school.
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Speaker 1: Now you talk about teenagers with a cell phone, that
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Speaker 1: child made two calls that day. One Mama, I'm on
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Speaker 1: the bus going to school. The next one was at
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Speaker 1: four thirty, Mama, I'm home. She didn't stay on the phone,
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Speaker 1: she didn't stay in the streets, she didn't stay doing stuff.
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Speaker 1: Didn't want to. This picture of Rhodsia. Lucy just took
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Speaker 1: a picture, fairy Sytlin of this. She's got a little
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Speaker 1: it looks like a little party dress, and she's got
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Speaker 1: on her little boots, and she's got on her shoulder strap,
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Speaker 1: and she's got her purse crossways across her body like
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Speaker 1: you're supposed to wear them. I can tell her hair
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Speaker 1: has just been done and she's got the biggest smile.
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Speaker 1: She was gone to the Rotc ball. I'm just imagining.
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Speaker 1: You know, I trapes, and you know how much I
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Speaker 1: hate to shop share on more than anything, but I
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Speaker 1: will trapes all over them, all in complete agony, helping
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Speaker 1: my daughter find the dress to wear to whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how long? How long did your girl look
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Speaker 1: for this dress because she's just she loved to shop.
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Speaker 1: So we're probably in every store and she I think
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Speaker 1: we I forgot what we finally found in it, but
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Speaker 1: what we what? We were in every store because she
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Speaker 1: loved she loved to shop. And that's one of the
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Speaker 1: things that's so hurtful as well, because I literally went
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Speaker 1: from planning when Dish Junior prom to planning her funeral
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Speaker 1: her and I was, I'm sorry, we were getting ready
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Speaker 1: to look for her problem dread and I went from
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Speaker 1: planning her prom to planning her funeral. And that's the
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Speaker 1: worst thing a mother could ever go through. It to
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Speaker 1: plan barrier your child. I literally was, we were literally
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Speaker 1: about to go problem shopping, and it it hurts so
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Speaker 1: bad because as you can see, she's just such a
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Speaker 1: stylish kid. And I swear you know, she knew every
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Speaker 1: pain that I had, and she's like, Mama, need this.
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Speaker 1: I neat that I need this, and I was getting
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Speaker 1: for because she's my only girl, and I just I'm
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Speaker 1: so broken right now. So where I don't know up
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Speaker 1: from downside to side. I don't know which way to turn.
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Speaker 1: And I looked at her pictures that make me smile,
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Speaker 1: but it also make me quiet because I'd never see
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Speaker 1: her face on this side of earth again. And when
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Speaker 1: Disha also like to sinking the choir, she was on
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Speaker 1: a dance crase team. She was, I mean, she was
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Speaker 1: a sweetheart. Where did she sing in the choir at
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Speaker 1: our church, which is what Great and New Hope Baptist
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Speaker 1: Church in Atlanta, Georgia. I know exactly where that is.
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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, you know what you just said. It
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Speaker 1: really struck a chord in me, Miss Hamm, because you
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Speaker 1: said we were getting ready to get to the prom.
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you, for instance, when I drag the
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Speaker 1: twins through a merit badge at Scout, I feel like
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Speaker 1: I should get the merit badge, like when they get ready,
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Speaker 1: when they, oh my goodness, Miss Hamm, when they went
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Speaker 1: to their Valentine's party, John David didn't care what he
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Speaker 1: but Lucy, oh my goodness. By the time we got
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Speaker 1: her ready in her dress and all the hair and
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Speaker 1: the shoes, I wanted to go to the party myself.
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Speaker 1: I feel like I was the one all dressed up
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Speaker 1: and all fixed up, and I just sat in the
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Speaker 1: parking lot and watched and walk in and I just
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Speaker 1: wanted them to have the best time, and I feel
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Speaker 1: like what you just said we were getting ready for
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Speaker 1: her prom. I mean you were so close to her.
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Speaker 1: And another thing, you said that she would know when
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Speaker 1: you would have a payday, and there you were working
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Speaker 1: hard so she could have all these things that I
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Speaker 1: now know that girls want all sorts of things, and
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Speaker 1: I know you didn't want her to have to worry.
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Speaker 1: Can I get a dress from the prom? Can I
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Speaker 1: get this cute outfit? Because you were breaking your back
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Speaker 1: working to advance her. I'm just curious. You mentioned the
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Speaker 1: door was unlocked. Yes, it was closed, but it was
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Speaker 1: it was unlocked because my son was able to walk
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Speaker 1: right in. I saw when he walked in, but I
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Speaker 1: was thinking that maybe she had come and unlocked the
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Speaker 1: door for him, as she usually do, so I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know it when we pulled up to the
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Speaker 1: house that was meting out of the ordinary that would
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Speaker 1: make me think that I was about to walk in
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Speaker 1: and see what I saw. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, this beautiful young
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Speaker 1: girl straight a shooting. You know how hard that is
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Speaker 1: to do straight a's from beginning to end and to
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Speaker 1: be in the air force. This girl's singing in the
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Speaker 1: choir on the praise team, I mean, just scrubbed in sunshine.
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Speaker 1: Why is she dead? Why is her mother on Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace crying? Why hasn't this case been solved?
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Speaker 1: With all these clues and we got nothing? Let me
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Speaker 1: go to Dave Mac joining me Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, Dave Mac, you better tell me something. What happened?
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Speaker 1: You said? We have all these clues. Here's what we have.
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Speaker 1: We know that she arrived home around four thirty in
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Speaker 1: the afternoon. Good start, good start. You know how I
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Speaker 1: like to start with the timeline home from school. Everything's fine.
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Speaker 1: How do I know she got Oh she called her
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Speaker 1: mom and said I'm home right, and we can track
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Speaker 1: the time and the location home from school four thirty.
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Speaker 1: Did she ride the bus, Miss Sham, Yes, ma'am, she
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Speaker 1: roll okay, So we have evidence of that. And I'd
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Speaker 1: be curious if anybody got off that day a mail
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Speaker 1: because this is obviously a mail crime. I'm curious if
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Speaker 1: anybody got off the bus at that stop that didn't
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Speaker 1: normally get off the bus at that stop. And I'm
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Speaker 1: curious as to who else got off the bus normally
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Speaker 1: with her and would have seen her walking home. Just
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Speaker 1: throwing it out there. Okay, back to you, Dave Mac. Okay,
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Speaker 1: she gets off the bus, she goes home. Now we
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Speaker 1: know that she got home because she calls her mom says,
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Speaker 1: I'm home. Everything's okay, called it now, miss miss Hammu. Routinely,
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Speaker 1: your soop is to keep the windows and doors locked,
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Speaker 1: especially when you're home. Correct. Yeah, so you knew right
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Speaker 1: off the bat. If I saw my children go on
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Speaker 1: the back door without unlocking it, I would say don't
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Speaker 1: don't go in because that's not right. Okay, got it? Okay,
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Speaker 1: Dave Max, sorry about that, So go ahead. Four thirty
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Speaker 1: All right, Randysha is home. She is okay, called mom. Now.
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Speaker 1: Mom gets off work and goes to pick up her.
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Speaker 1: Randisha's younger brother playing basketball. The little boy. How old
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Speaker 1: is he, miss Sam? He was fourteen at the time. Okay,
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Speaker 1: he's playing basketball where he was in He was in
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Speaker 1: middle school. So he's at his middle school. Yes, and
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Speaker 1: you get home with your son. At what time we
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Speaker 1: got there? Because I got off work about seven thirty
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Speaker 1: eight is we got there? I want to say about
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Speaker 1: nine thirty nine forty five. That's about the time we
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Speaker 1: got there, because we stopped by and got full and
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Speaker 1: when I went and picked him up because he was
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Speaker 1: on the other side of the town. So yeah, we
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Speaker 1: got that bout nine thirty nine forty five year and
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Speaker 1: that traffic really gets bad around that time. Right, seven
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Speaker 1: seven thirty is still stopped up from the five five
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Speaker 1: o'clock rush. Okay, so in the space but five hours,
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Speaker 1: what Cheryl, for your timeline, she called about seven forty
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Speaker 1: and didn't get an answer from Rhandicia, Right, So the
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Speaker 1: timeline is a little closer. That's important, Cheryl, because behavioral evidence,
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Speaker 1: Miss Ham. I mean, if your daughter, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: she had her phone attached to her person the way
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Speaker 1: my twins do, she's not gonna get far from her phone.
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Speaker 1: You called it seven forty and she didn't pick up.
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Speaker 1: Did she ever? Was that normal for her not to
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Speaker 1: pick the phone up. My son picks it up on
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Speaker 1: the first ring. My daughter never picks it up for anybody.
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Speaker 1: It was not normal. I was calling her as soon
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Speaker 1: as I got off work. It was it was not
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Speaker 1: normal for her not to pick up. Maybe I called
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Speaker 1: and she's listening to music, but it ruined. Wasn't normal
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Speaker 1: for her not to pick up when I called, So
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking to myself, well, maybe she just
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Speaker 1: listening to music and can't hear the line ringing, because
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Speaker 1: she would I always have her earphonees in, so you know,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking. But I thoughted to call her and
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Speaker 1: she she never ever ever picked up. I was kind
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Speaker 1: of worried, but I didn't think that I will walk
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Speaker 1: in again and find what I found. You know, that's
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Speaker 1: really important, Miss Hamm, because to narrow down the timeline,
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Speaker 1: which is crucial in a case like this, that is significant,
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Speaker 1: you know how, Doctor Angie with me, Doctor Angela Arnold
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Speaker 1: RONOWND Psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Doctor Angie, like I just said,
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Speaker 1: this is critical to the case. For instance, I called
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Speaker 1: John DAVIDY picks up on the first ring. I'll call Lucy. Never,
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Speaker 1: for anyone, never picks your phone up. If I want
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Speaker 1: to talk to Lucy, I had to call John David
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Speaker 1: and give the phone to Lucy. And I don't worry
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Speaker 1: when Lucy doesn't pick up the phone, because that's her standard.
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Speaker 1: I pray that's just exactly She's not really glued to
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Speaker 1: her phone as much as him. So that's where we're
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Speaker 1: going to put the timeline at seven forty. Why is
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Speaker 1: behavioral evidence so crucial? And don't you agree, doctor Angie,
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Speaker 1: that a routine behavior is just as powerful in my
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Speaker 1: mind is a fingerprint. It identifies you and helps me
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Speaker 1: save the case. Oh heavens yes, Nancy. And we all
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Speaker 1: have our We all have our habits that we do,
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Speaker 1: and like you said, we can identify different people by
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Speaker 1: their habits. There are some people that I can text
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Speaker 1: and Nancy, I don't even take a sense that they
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Speaker 1: don't text me back because they never text me back. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I know who you're talking about, and I don't care. No,
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Speaker 1: it's somebody else. Okay, give me an example, doctor Angie.
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Speaker 1: What's one thing you do that never deviates? One thing, Oh,
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Speaker 1: my goodness, one thing that I do that never deviates.
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Speaker 1: It shouldn't really be that hard. I've got one right
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Speaker 1: off the top of my head. Cheryl McCollum. I never
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Speaker 1: go to bed without looking at the twins first. I
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Speaker 1: never even go to the kitchen in the morning. The
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Speaker 1: first thing I do when I wake up is look
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Speaker 1: at the twins to just see that they're asleep in
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Speaker 1: bed and then check on my mom, never ever deviates.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel comfortable in setting the timeline that her
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Speaker 1: death attack occurred between four thirty and seven forty? Absolutely?
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Speaker 1: I think it's closer to five. But yes, absolutely, I
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Speaker 1: think it was shortly after she called me two whoa Okay,
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Speaker 1: she called you at four thirty? Why do you think that,
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Speaker 1: Miss hamp I just think whoever did it? I think
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Speaker 1: it was somebody that kind of noon our timeline. Can
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Speaker 1: I jo be in Nancy? Have I ever been able
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Speaker 1: to stop you? No? But here's the reason I think
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Speaker 1: it was quick. Everything had to line up perfect for
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Speaker 1: this to occur. Somebody had to know. Number One, the
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Speaker 1: grandparents weren't home. They were always home, all right, they
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Speaker 1: weren't home this day. Well, the grandparents lived there in
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Speaker 1: the home. They lived with her grandparents. Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 1: See that's huge. So where were the grandparents? They were
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Speaker 1: at at a funeral, right, Okay? You know. Doctor Tim
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Speaker 1: Gallagher joining me medical examiner for the entire State of
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Speaker 1: Florida at pathcaremed dot com, and he is the founder
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Speaker 1: and host on the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Gallagher helped me how can I narrow down the
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Speaker 1: TDA time of death? Well, Nancy, you know that's always
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Speaker 1: a question that we're asked in court, and you know
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Speaker 1: typically the stock answer is, you know, the time of
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Speaker 1: death occurs at when the last time you saw her
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Speaker 1: alive until she was discovered disease. But that doesn't sound well.
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Speaker 1: I mean I know that much without a medical degree,
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Speaker 1: so you're right down to but help me. There are
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Speaker 1: scientific ways to discover this. We examine the temperature of
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Speaker 1: the body, so we know that the body will lose
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Speaker 1: one degree of temperature for every hour that is deceased.
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Speaker 1: We look for rigor, which is stiffening of the body,
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Speaker 1: so we know that the body will begin to stiff, stiffen,
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Speaker 1: or go into rigor about one hour to one and
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Speaker 1: a half hours after the body is deceased, and then
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Speaker 1: it'll come out of rigor at about thirty six to
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Speaker 1: forty eight hours, So we can use that to help
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Speaker 1: with our timeline in cases of extreme come out of
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Speaker 1: rigor thirty six to forty eight hours after Yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: got it. I'm riding as fast as I can. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: and then for bodies who are exposed to the elements
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Speaker 1: such as a house with windows and doors open, it
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Speaker 1: attracts different types of insects, you know, which start to
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Speaker 1: occupy the body and Dot de Gallagher, You're not upsetting
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Speaker 1: me in the least because I'm very familiar, thanks to you,
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Speaker 1: in large part with forensic etymology. However, our victim's mom
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Speaker 1: may not necessarily want to hear that analysis. I believe
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Speaker 1: since the cecard January twelve, that the windows and doors
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Speaker 1: would have been shut, and how it gets really cold
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Speaker 1: and that neck of the woods. I want to circle
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Speaker 1: back to Cheryl, what were you saying and you heard
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Speaker 1: what doctor Gallagher is telling us, what would you expect
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Speaker 1: to find if the time of death, doctor Gallagher was
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Speaker 1: shortly after that four thirty pm phone call. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's another way we can approximate the time of death
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Speaker 1: as well. You know she was indicating that she was
22:46
Speaker 1: found in a pool of blood. Well, the blood is
22:50
Speaker 1: composed of liquid and solid elements. Over the course of time,
22:54
Speaker 1: the solid elements will start to separate from the liquid elements,
22:58
Speaker 1: and then there is a time land that we can
23:02
Speaker 1: verify using that technique to see the separation of the
23:06
Speaker 1: solid parts of the blood and the liquid parts of
23:08
Speaker 1: the blood. As it lays there at the crime scene.
23:11
Speaker 1: So we have the body temperature, we have the rigor,
23:14
Speaker 1: and then we have the separation of the blood on
23:17
Speaker 1: the floor of the crime scene. That's a very good
23:20
Speaker 1: indicator on how we could approximate the time of death.
23:23
Speaker 1: He just taught me something new, doctor Gallagher, about the
23:25
Speaker 1: separation of the solid parts of the blood versus the
23:29
Speaker 1: liquid parts of the blood. Dave mac lightning round. Yes, No,
23:34
Speaker 1: was anything taken from the home there a four centry?
23:38
Speaker 1: Was there a sex attack? No? Do we know if
23:40
Speaker 1: anything had been taken offer person. We know that her
23:43
Speaker 1: cell phone was taken. Joining me right now, twenty seven
23:46
Speaker 1: years Metro major case, former Swat now lawyer with the
23:50
Speaker 1: shell Nut Law firm, James shell Nut. No fourth centry.
23:55
Speaker 1: I believe entry through the front door. No robbery, no barglary,
24:00
Speaker 1: no sex attack. The only thing taken with cell phone,
24:04
Speaker 1: very probitive, shall not Who would want her cell phone? Well,
24:09
Speaker 1: somebody who didn't want her to call police or call
24:11
Speaker 1: for help. You know you're right. The theory of a
24:14
Speaker 1: burglary is out the window. Its outside the normal time
24:17
Speaker 1: zone of a burglary ten to three. It's in the
24:19
Speaker 1: evening hours, no forced entering, nothing taken. This is someone
24:24
Speaker 1: that she knew her habit and routine, as you said,
24:27
Speaker 1: which is powerful or saw her go in. Yeah, yeah,
24:30
Speaker 1: her having routine was to keep the doors locked. This
24:34
Speaker 1: is someone that she was familiar with enough to open
24:37
Speaker 1: the door and to allow them to either enter the
24:41
Speaker 1: home or at least stand in a question of proximity
24:44
Speaker 1: to enter the home. This is not a stranger. This
24:46
Speaker 1: is someone she knew. The motive of that person I
24:49
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if it was a personal
24:52
Speaker 1: problem that they had with her. I don't know if
24:54
Speaker 1: they actually came there to rob her. This was a
24:56
Speaker 1: short time after Christmas. But I will tell you this,
25:00
Speaker 1: it's not a stranger, and it's someone that lives close by.
25:03
Speaker 1: And it's someone that's young. You know, Miss Ham with
25:06
Speaker 1: me is Qatar Ham. This is Randish's mom. Something had
25:11
Speaker 1: changed in your life, you and your family. And of
25:16
Speaker 1: course she's got three brothers, one already in college. As
25:22
Speaker 1: I understand the facts, had just moved in with the
25:25
Speaker 1: grandparents in College Park, never had a break in anything
25:29
Speaker 1: else elsewhere, and now you move there in Bam and
25:32
Speaker 1: I and it makes me take the day that I
25:36
Speaker 1: ever moved to College Park. To this day, six years later,
25:40
Speaker 1: I cannot go to College Park. I don't go to
25:43
Speaker 1: College Park at all for anything. If I but my
25:51
Speaker 1: cousin just had a birthday party there, I cannot go.
25:55
Speaker 1: I don't go. Eat my body just shupers. I can't.
26:01
Speaker 1: I hate the day that I ever moved there. But
26:06
Speaker 1: I had to move at the time because I was
26:10
Speaker 1: sending my first son off to college, and I was
26:14
Speaker 1: sending one son to Los Angeles. He was trying to
26:18
Speaker 1: do um acting. So it was it was just the
26:22
Speaker 1: move I had to make as a mom to kind
26:25
Speaker 1: of do what I had to do so that me
26:27
Speaker 1: and my kids will be okay. Never did I ever
26:30
Speaker 1: think moving there would I lose one of my kids.
26:38
Speaker 1: I just because my kids were good kids. All my kids,
26:41
Speaker 1: like you know, the one son that went to college,
26:44
Speaker 1: he went on to graduate college. The other one he's
26:49
Speaker 1: he's in college right now, and one is the youngest one,
26:53
Speaker 1: he's getting ready to go. So if I don't have
26:58
Speaker 1: any kids that were in the street, a part of gangs,
27:02
Speaker 1: a part of you know this that um. I've been
27:07
Speaker 1: a baseball, basketball, football mom my whole life and Randy
27:12
Speaker 1: was was with me all the time she was she
27:16
Speaker 1: was there there. She didn't necessarily cheer, but she was
27:20
Speaker 1: was their cheerleader, and it was always her and I,
27:23
Speaker 1: her and I, her and I and um. She used
27:28
Speaker 1: to make sure, like I said, I got out work late,
27:31
Speaker 1: so she wasn't She was next to the oldest, but
27:34
Speaker 1: she would make sure everybody had had eight and everything
27:37
Speaker 1: when I got home from working. I mean, she was
27:41
Speaker 1: just a sweetheart. But I do agree that I believe
27:45
Speaker 1: that it was somebody that she knew. And that's the
27:49
Speaker 1: part that scares me. I think it may have been
27:51
Speaker 1: somebody in the neighborhood. Have you thought about that Shaw McCollum,
27:56
Speaker 1: someone that would see her. You know, we know from
27:59
Speaker 1: experience variance people covet what they see. Yes, I believe
28:05
Speaker 1: she opened the door to this person that she may
28:08
Speaker 1: have had a passing familiarity with, like, Hey, I'm Joe
28:12
Speaker 1: from down the street. Remember me, Can I come in
28:15
Speaker 1: and use the phone? Or whatever excuse is used. Well,
28:19
Speaker 1: let's talk about what else Joe would know. Joe would
28:21
Speaker 1: know the grandparents were out of town. Joe wouldn't know
28:24
Speaker 1: the brother had a ball game. He would know Mom
28:26
Speaker 1: worked until seven thirty. At least he also knew that
28:30
Speaker 1: in this time of day, nobody's out, of course in January,
28:34
Speaker 1: cutting their grass, nobody's moving trash cans, and nobody's walking
28:36
Speaker 1: a dog. Kids aren't out riding a bike. The timing
28:41
Speaker 1: was too impeccable for somebody not to know this family's routine. Well,
28:45
Speaker 1: another thing to miss him. This is a rendicious mom,
28:50
Speaker 1: Miss Haim. Did the grandparents I take it they're your parents. Yes.
28:56
Speaker 1: Did they drive a car, Yes, they drove the car
28:58
Speaker 1: my mom car had been and that's that was what
29:00
Speaker 1: my dad. That was what my dad was saying. My
29:03
Speaker 1: mom car had been sitting there. So whomever kind of
29:06
Speaker 1: knew somebody the cars are gone, all the cars. Yes,
29:11
Speaker 1: so they they knew the cars, and they knew whoever.
29:16
Speaker 1: They knew our routine, and they rather they knew me
29:21
Speaker 1: and my family or just knew her. It was somebody
29:24
Speaker 1: that she knew and somebody that was from that area,
29:28
Speaker 1: from that neighborhood. I'm just saying, I think they're from
29:31
Speaker 1: the neighborhood because they may very well have known this
29:34
Speaker 1: mom works at least thirteen hours shifts at the hospital.
29:40
Speaker 1: Help me out share what would call them. Why with
29:43
Speaker 1: everything that we're figuring out right here, is the case
29:47
Speaker 1: not solved. I find it really hard to believe there
29:50
Speaker 1: are no fingerprints on that door. There are fingerprints, and
29:53
Speaker 1: I believe they need to resubmit them. I believe that
29:57
Speaker 1: this person could have been a juvenile at the time,
30:00
Speaker 1: so their prints were not in apist, but they need
30:02
Speaker 1: to be resubmitted. They may be there now. The mode
30:06
Speaker 1: of death, Cheryl Sheet was shot multiple times around the
30:11
Speaker 1: torso in the face, as I understand the facts. Is
30:14
Speaker 1: that correct? That is absolutely correct? Five times? What weapon?
30:19
Speaker 1: It was a handgun? And all they've really released is
30:22
Speaker 1: that it was you know, copper yellow bullets that was
30:25
Speaker 1: retrieved from her body. What did you say? The only
30:27
Speaker 1: thing that please have released is that in the autopsy
30:31
Speaker 1: they recovered copper yellow bullets from her body. You know.
30:35
Speaker 1: James Shelnut joining me twenty seven years after a major case. Now, lawyer,
30:39
Speaker 1: we have a ballistics database. Help me out if that
30:44
Speaker 1: gun has ever been used and another offense, it will
30:48
Speaker 1: show up. We do have a ballistics database, and a
30:51
Speaker 1: ballistics database is excellent. If that weapon has fired another
30:56
Speaker 1: round that's been recovered during the commission of a crime.
31:00
Speaker 1: Then at that point you'll have another round to compare
31:03
Speaker 1: it to the rounds that was pulled out of the
31:05
Speaker 1: victim's body. In this case, however, if that gun has
31:08
Speaker 1: not been used in the commission of a crime and
31:10
Speaker 1: a round was not recovered, then there would be no
31:13
Speaker 1: match to connect it to crime stories with Nancy Grace
31:31
Speaker 1: to doctor Tim Gallagher, medical examiner joining us out of Florida.
31:35
Speaker 1: You're very familiar with the ballistics database. Explain why one gun? Well,
31:41
Speaker 1: it's like a fingerprint leaves a marking on bullets. It's
31:46
Speaker 1: a mistake. You can't mistake it. But that is correct, Nancy.
31:49
Speaker 1: So the database is called NIBIN. And don't ask me
31:52
Speaker 1: what those initials mean. So Antegraded Ballistic Information Network. Okay,
32:01
Speaker 1: When a bullet leaves the muzzle of a gun, it
32:04
Speaker 1: scrapes along the side of the muzzle of the inside
32:07
Speaker 1: of the portion of the gun, and the bullet picks
32:10
Speaker 1: up little scratches and grooves. So a bullet fired from
32:14
Speaker 1: the same gun will have the exact same scratches and
32:17
Speaker 1: grooves on it. Then that bullet can be photographed and
32:22
Speaker 1: identified through NIBAN. And if another bullet comes from a
32:26
Speaker 1: crime scene that has the same exact scratches and grooves
32:29
Speaker 1: on it. Then we can, with very good accuracy, determined
32:34
Speaker 1: that the same gun was used for both firings. So
32:38
Speaker 1: we're looking microscopically at the bullets. We're looking for unique
32:42
Speaker 1: identification marks on the bullets that we can trace back
32:45
Speaker 1: to an individual gun, and then we can assume that
32:48
Speaker 1: that gun was used in a commission of those two firings. Guys,
32:52
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut twelve, our friends at
32:56
Speaker 1: Fox five. Missus Ham tells me she believes it's so
33:00
Speaker 1: when her daughter knew because there was no force entry,
33:02
Speaker 1: nothing was taken, and there was no assault. She loved
33:07
Speaker 1: to smile, She loved church, she loves singing the choir,
33:10
Speaker 1: She loved dancing. Math was one of her favorite subjects.
33:14
Speaker 1: She was a straight A student on the principal's list.
33:17
Speaker 1: Not a day goes by that, she tells me, she
33:19
Speaker 1: doesn't think about her daughter. I'm asking you, I'm begging you,
33:23
Speaker 1: I'm pleading for you, So please please please come forward
33:29
Speaker 1: and listen to more from our friends at Fox five.
33:32
Speaker 1: This is Portshi Bruner and our cut nine. He's appealing
33:35
Speaker 1: to juniors and seniors at Westlake High School to come
33:38
Speaker 1: forward with anything they may recall about the day Randisha
33:42
Speaker 1: was brutally murdered shortly after she got off the school bus.
33:46
Speaker 1: Were their witnesses day believe that she was seeing alive
33:49
Speaker 1: was getting off the school bus into the neighborhood. So
33:54
Speaker 1: we feel that somebody either on a bus or at
33:58
Speaker 1: the school me have heard something or heard rumors, or
34:04
Speaker 1: maybe there was altercation on the bus or at school
34:06
Speaker 1: that day. You know, I don't understand something to Miss Ham,
34:10
Speaker 1: Miss Guitar Ham. This is Randisia's mom joining us. Why
34:15
Speaker 1: are we having to discuss following up on rumors at school?
34:21
Speaker 1: What are the police doing? I do frequently talked to
34:26
Speaker 1: m the detective. They're still working on her case. But
34:32
Speaker 1: it's because Olber I believe did it went in and
34:37
Speaker 1: went out. I believe the kids at the kids at
34:42
Speaker 1: the school. I just believe the kids in the neighborhood.
34:46
Speaker 1: I just think they were all scared to talk. So
34:50
Speaker 1: nobody is like to me, this is just what I think.
34:53
Speaker 1: It's no hard everybody, Okay, I got some questions for you,
34:57
Speaker 1: Miss Ham. Do you know if the cp PD calls
35:02
Speaker 1: part police have downloaded everything from the iCloud. They don't
35:06
Speaker 1: have her phone, but did they download her checks, her
35:10
Speaker 1: cell calls? And most important, I want to know if
35:13
Speaker 1: she took a picture of this person. It's only so
35:16
Speaker 1: much that they're telling me, but I know Apple wasn't
35:20
Speaker 1: really really when it comes to the certain things, Apple,
35:28
Speaker 1: they really wasn't working with us. Was trying to get
35:33
Speaker 1: things they don't have to work. Apple doesn't have to
35:36
Speaker 1: work with the police. That's why we have subpoena. Ducastickam
35:40
Speaker 1: you hit it then with a subpoena and they have
35:42
Speaker 1: to turn it over. Here's my question, Cheryl McCollum. Number one,
35:46
Speaker 1: surveillance video in the neighborhood three years ago. There's ring doorbells.
35:52
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of video possibilities in that area, specifically
35:56
Speaker 1: Charyl McCollum. There are red light hams, there are business cams.
36:01
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of cams going on Number one? Has
36:05
Speaker 1: that been obtained? Number two? Did they canvass the neighborhood
36:08
Speaker 1: door to door? Number three? Were there any defensive wounds?
36:13
Speaker 1: Did she fight back? Did she scratch? Were there marks
36:16
Speaker 1: on her hands or arms? How's the iPhone information been downloaded?
36:24
Speaker 1: Have the bullets been sent to NIBIM. What do we
36:28
Speaker 1: know about the fingerprints? Have they been submitted? Has any
36:31
Speaker 1: DNA been taken off her body? I know there wasn't
36:34
Speaker 1: a sex attack, but did he touch her in any
36:38
Speaker 1: way that could have left epiphilial DNA on her body?
36:43
Speaker 1: Those are the things I want to know. Nibin was
36:45
Speaker 1: going to be my first thing, and to resubmit the
36:48
Speaker 1: fingerprints to APIs. Those two things need to be done immediately.
36:52
Speaker 1: Well what do we have to do lay all the
36:54
Speaker 1: courthouse steps to get them done? Well? I think maybe
36:57
Speaker 1: a phone call to the detective along with miss Ham
37:00
Speaker 1: would be appropriate. This is James jump In. I can't
37:03
Speaker 1: imagine it's that hard to develop a suspect in this case.
37:08
Speaker 1: Amo Scala one to ten. This is not a ten,
37:11
Speaker 1: This is a five or six. You know, you know
37:14
Speaker 1: that this person you already have a profile of who
37:16
Speaker 1: this person is. You know it's probably a younger person.
37:19
Speaker 1: You know, this is a person that lived nearby. Don't
37:22
Speaker 1: just focus your efforts on the school, focus your efforts
37:24
Speaker 1: on any jun younger I would say under fifty. I
37:29
Speaker 1: don't put it past a forty year old man to
37:32
Speaker 1: go on that home. But the fact that the cell
37:34
Speaker 1: phone had been taken does, in my mind indicate a
37:38
Speaker 1: youthful offender. And Cheryl McCollum, you know how many times
37:44
Speaker 1: I have been in the public schools in College Park
37:47
Speaker 1: looking for defendants and witnesses, and there's no shortage of
37:51
Speaker 1: guns in the school there. You go. Absolutely, but you
37:55
Speaker 1: know there's somebody that got gooes after this happened. There's
37:58
Speaker 1: somebody that's been drinking themselves to death over this. There
38:03
Speaker 1: is clear indicators of who this perpetrator is. They need
38:07
Speaker 1: to go back, they need to canvas, they need to
38:09
Speaker 1: start from ground zero. And I agree with the other
38:15
Speaker 1: experts that this is somebody in my opinion that is
38:19
Speaker 1: closer to fifteen to seventeen. The person who did this
38:23
Speaker 1: talk to somebody at some Absolutely, I wonder if they
38:27
Speaker 1: even did a find my iPhone, to find the iPhone
38:31
Speaker 1: immediately following the death we did whoever phone, how they
38:38
Speaker 1: immediately shut it off like when you when I was
38:41
Speaker 1: trying to call, it was going directly to voice mail,
38:45
Speaker 1: so it was it was, it was shut out. So
38:47
Speaker 1: I believe whoever got her, I believe they destroyed her
38:51
Speaker 1: phone whenever they left or whenever they got it. I
38:54
Speaker 1: believe they destroyed it because it never it just went
38:59
Speaker 1: straight to voicemail, as if it was like turned off.
39:02
Speaker 1: They turned it off. But you did try find my iPhone.
39:06
Speaker 1: We did try find my ted find my iPhone. I
39:10
Speaker 1: kept trying. I even tried it years later because I
39:14
Speaker 1: kept the phone on for a while and Um, I
39:18
Speaker 1: tried find that phone never been anywhere, Miss Ham. Do
39:24
Speaker 1: you ever feel that Randisha is trying to reach out
39:30
Speaker 1: to you? I do. I had a dream, um. It
39:34
Speaker 1: was crazy. I posted on my personal Facebook page, which
39:37
Speaker 1: is my name because Ira Ampum. I posted it was
39:42
Speaker 1: I was out and I was with a group of
39:44
Speaker 1: people and nobody's fall her but me, and she was
39:47
Speaker 1: trying to tell me something. I believe she was trying
39:50
Speaker 1: to just tell me. I just couldn't grasp what she
39:54
Speaker 1: was trying to tell me. I was so happy to
39:57
Speaker 1: see her. I couldn't grasp what she was trying to
40:00
Speaker 1: tell me. And I believe that she is trying to
40:06
Speaker 1: to tell me, and I just want to I just
40:12
Speaker 1: know if I just don't know if I if I'm
40:14
Speaker 1: knowing how to grasp it or how to take it
40:16
Speaker 1: in or or what. But I that was that was
40:20
Speaker 1: the weirdest dream that I've had since she's been gone,
40:24
Speaker 1: and this was just a few nights ago. Miss Sam.
40:27
Speaker 1: How is this affected Randy SHA's brothers, my youngest son Um?
40:36
Speaker 1: And it makes me cry because it's the one that
40:40
Speaker 1: for her. He's all of them are very much affected.
40:44
Speaker 1: All of them are, but my youngest son Um Hen
40:51
Speaker 1: I both like, he don't really sleep. Um is we
40:58
Speaker 1: just we're are all just soul. I can't explain it.
41:03
Speaker 1: There it's made us closer as mother and son. But
41:09
Speaker 1: you know, my youngest son, I really can't explain it.
41:13
Speaker 1: But it has affected him so much to where you
41:19
Speaker 1: know him, Like I say, he don't really sleep at night.
41:21
Speaker 1: And you know what's interesting about that too, Doctor Angie
41:25
Speaker 1: Arnold's psychiatrists joining us out of Atlanta, I saw sometimes
41:28
Speaker 1: I say, I don't think I've had a good night's
41:30
Speaker 1: sleep since my fiancee was murdered. It just changes everything.
41:35
Speaker 1: Why why can't people sleep after they go through something
41:38
Speaker 1: like this? Well, Nancy, people can't sleep because unfortunately there's
41:43
Speaker 1: so much on their mind that they that they can't
41:48
Speaker 1: make right now. I want to let I want to
41:52
Speaker 1: let you know that there are has have you had
41:56
Speaker 1: Have you all gotten any kind of psychiatric help for
41:59
Speaker 1: this tread that your family is going through, because there
42:02
Speaker 1: are some things that can be done for you, aside
42:05
Speaker 1: from medications that can help y'all to get to sleep
42:11
Speaker 1: at night. You know what I'm gonna do, Doctor Angie.
42:14
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hook you and Miss Hamm up after our program.
42:18
Speaker 1: Thank you and doctor Angie. Doctor Angie, I really really
42:22
Speaker 1: appreciate you speaking to her, Miss Haim. What were the
42:27
Speaker 1: last words Randysha said to you? I love you, Love
42:34
Speaker 1: you mommy, And then that there is a two thousand
42:46
Speaker 1: dollar reward for information and Randysha love this team. Girls.
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