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The Legend Of Zelda: Breath Of The Wild · The Long and Short of It

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  Thanks for checking out the long and short of it podcast.
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  We hope you enjoy the show. Hello and welcome to the long
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  each of the games on the Metacritic top 100 list.
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  My name is Dan and I'm joined by mrs.
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  Lawrence, welcome to the podcast, welcome to the podcast.
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  First everyone, a very special episode today, but first, how
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  are you doing? I'm well, it's a Friday
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  afternoon. I believe we're about to go into
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  a heat wave in the UK, which is absolutely disgusting, and I'm
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  not looking forward to but I am most well, are you?
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  Well I am well then we are all well.
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  Also glad it's a Friday and I am off gallivanting for Monday,
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  Tuesday, Wednesday. Next week, I'm climbing scaffold
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  Pike, which is a mountain in the Lake District so that will be a
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  lot of fun. I've heard similar height to
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  Everest. Yes, slide.
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  Some some say more difficult, more of a difficult climbing
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  Everest as well. I believe?
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  Yes, yes. That's right as hard as Dark
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  Souls. That's right.
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  But not quite as hard. Almost no, that would be silly.
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  Yes, quite but alas I'm sure. Okay.
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  I'm sure you'll do very well. I will climb up and I will roll
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  down. Excellent.
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  Make sure to take your kit kat for a little bit of sugar.
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  I will climb up and I will Glide down which is are not to today's
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  game, okay? So just today is an episode that
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  we've been talking about since probably the Ocarina of Time
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  episode and unsurprisingly. It's a Zelda game.
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  The a Zelda game we have today is Number 9 on the Metacritic,
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  top 100 list, the Legend of Zelda breath of the wild with a
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  score of 97 and it was released on the Nintendo switch alongside
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  the Wii U in the year, 2017. Okay, big one.
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  Do you have any history with this game?
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  As with, every Zelda game that we've talked about on this list?
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  I always kind of circle back around and prerequisite as
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  Someone that's not massively a Zelda fan, they're never really
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  games for me. I suppose, I've now played all
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  of the the Zelda games that were on this list.
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  The only one in the mainline series at I haven't played is
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  Skyward Sword because that isn't in the top 100 so I downloaded
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  breath of the wild about a year ago maybe because I had a
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  hankering to play an open world game and you know it was there
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  and it was on slight offer. Her as much as Nintendo off like
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  will drop prices on its on its first party games.
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  It doesn't really drop the cost by much but I'd Bots path of the
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  wild and told you about it. And you you suggested to hold
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  off and maybe wait until until we got to it for the podcast.
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  So this time around is my first time playing this game and I
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  know a lot about it because you know, all of the rave reviews
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  and stuff from 2017. Hard to avoid.
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  I knew new Affair bet about it ahead of time but yes this was
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  my first time playing it which I don't believe is the case for
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  you. No.
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  So I don't even know where to begin.
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  You've never played this game before and you didn't like it.
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  No, awful game, get off the list.
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  Let's wrap up the episode. There we go.
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  So this is a really Important game for Nintendo because it was
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  tied directly with the switch launch.
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  And I know originally, it was a Wii U release only, and then
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  Nintendo cut the Wii U ehre shorts and started work on the
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  switch. And they decided to release this
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  game. Alongside the switch in a
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  similar fashion to when Twilight Princess came out.
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  I the success that the switch has seen today, I think it all
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  started here with breadth of the wild and I distinctly remember
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  that III leading up to the switch and breadth of the Wilds,
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  release or the E3 beforehand and Nintendo came along and you had
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  Sony and you had Microsoft and you had all these other game
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  companies that showed their raft of games.
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  Nintendo came along, With breath of the wild, that was it.
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  So to say that it felt like everything was resting on breath
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  of the wild, I feel could almost be an understatement and the
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  intent Nintendo needed. The switch to succeed, didn't
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  it? Because the Wii U, I mean, it
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  wasn't a complete failure, but it was definitely a flop.
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  Compared to what the expectations were against it, I
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  suppose. So there's a lot riding on the
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  in Sewickley needed and and yes, They could have probably had
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  another couple of failures but it wouldn't have.
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  I mean it is a slippery slope, isn't it?
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  And Sega I'm sure can attest to that.
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  Yeah, so they needed a win and it felt like it was all resting
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  on this game and the switch and I remember coverage of breath of
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  the wild from that III and everyone came out saying it
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  stole the show. So I was quite significantly
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  hyped for this game before it came out.
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  Something I don't usually do in the modern era.
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  I pre-ordered my switch. I pre-ordered the special
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  edition of breath of the wild and I was off the week, they
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  came out. I don't think I was off just
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  because it came out, but it happens to coincide.
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  And I I got my switch, got breath of the wild and sat down
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  and started playing and that journey through breath of the
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  wild lasted. Predict a couple of months
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  before I close the book on it, I played 155 hours of it which not
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  a bad run time that as much as some people playing this game,
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  but a lot more than some people playing this game.
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  And by the end of it, I kind of had done almost anything
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  everything. I'd I'd found 117 of the 120
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  shrines. I scoured the map for the The
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  three couldn't find them. I've since found one more of
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  them, but I've still missing two, which must be really tucked
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  away. And one of the things with this
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  game was that I refuse to look at any guys, I wanted to
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  explore. I wanted to discover this game
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  on my own. And the only thing I really
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  didn't do was call Rocks because it was nine.
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  That was something of a Monster. Yeah, well, I wasn't gonna do
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  that to myself. I loved it and I recall, The
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  final I'd say the final day of playing this game, I was just
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  getting ready for the final fight with Gannon and catching
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  bugs near Hyrule castle. And then you've got the Epic
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  spoilers obviously. And I know you haven't got to
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  this point, but I am going now but I know it's not really a
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  spoiler. It's kind of, it's par for the
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  course of Zelda. Really.
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  So you you head into higher or Castle to face Ganon and it's
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  just this epic sort of sweeping moments.
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  Yeah, so I really loved breath of the world when it came out
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  and for me at the time it was it was kind of a battle between
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  this and Majora's Mask as to which was my favorite game that
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  I've ever played. I think they both have very
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  different strengths actually, which I'm sure we'll get to in
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  the episode. So you played this on a switch,
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  didn't you? Yeah.
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  On the OLED most mostly paid it in docked mode.
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  Is one of those games that I feel is a TV game, but I did.
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  How did occasionally dip in and out of handheld?
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  But not very often. So yeah, it was mostly on the
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  TV. I don't have it, but if it was
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  the same for you, I played that I've been playing a lot in hand
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  held over the past couple of years.
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  Really, it feels like, I don't know.
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  It's just really switched my way of playing and I've been saying,
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  which did you say? Yeah.
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  And and I've been playing, I paid this in handheld.
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  I've Hearted and here's of the kingdom, and at Champlain that
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  all in handheld with headphones and on the OLED, that looks
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  stunning and hold. So yeah, I'm a bit of a, I
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  think, I'll tell you when, I think it, since I got the OLED,
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  I really wanted to make use of that OLED screen, because it
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  does look, yes. So, I think it, since I got the
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  only that I started playing heavily in handheld.
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  Yes, I play this in handheld. I did something different with
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  this though because I really felt like once I finished breath
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  of the wild, I was, I was quite happy to let it lie for some
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  time and I'd wait until I organically went back to it to
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  play it again because obviously, when you sunk that much time
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  into a game, you gotta give yourself a bit of time to ask.
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  Yeah, we set its. Why you and me, I haven't gone
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  back to play the last of his part to yet.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And maybe a couple of other games on the list as well.
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  And so I did something different for this playthrough and I told
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  you beforehand, what I was going to do, I bought the DLC for this
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  game quite some time ago and my, my task that I set myself.
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  Well, for this episode which was a probably, a less significant
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  task than you had, was to complete the DLC for this game,
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  ready for the episode, so that I could enjoy the gameplay once
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  again, but also do something that I've never done before.
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  And, yeah, I really quite enjoyed the DLC playing this
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  game as well. Did you, did you manage to get
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  Majora's Mask? I as part of the DLC or just
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  generally as part of the DLC, I don't think it's in the, in the,
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  in the main game. No, I think that there's two
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  parts to the DLC and that may be part of part one.
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  So I played heavily pots, who, which was the kind of story
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  expansion. I got you.
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  Yeah, so okay. Don't get hung up on the intro
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  for too long. So let's move on to the
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  storyline of this game. Do you want to give us a bit of
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  a rundown shershow? I actually watched a video the
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  other day about what people believe is, the current Canon of
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  the Zelda series and the, the kind of the direction that they
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  run. And it seems like it's still a
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  completely huge mass that not even Nintendo properly knows,
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  because I mean they bought out the book of it.
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  Yeah. Like I'm like 2012 or something
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  but since then there have been a couple of new games seems to
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  have and even then I don't think it into I think there's there
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  are contradictions in there. Yes there are.
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  Yeah there are but this game takes place in Hyrule as do a
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  majority of the other games and as always, you play as link who
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  wakes up in the shrine or the Temple of resurrection, and he
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  is kind of This game is very open.
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  And your only task really is to defeat Ganon, but the story in
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  the background is that 100 years ago, princess sailed along with
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  four Champions, and her night, who the night was linked are
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  given the task of defeating Ganon.
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  However, upon the preparation for this, they each of the four
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  Champions takes on something called a Divine Beast.
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  Which is like this huge Shadow of the Colossus esque creation
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  to help in the fight for Gannon, but when the battles finally
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  begins, all of the Champions are killed.
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  Link is defeated by these mechanical things called
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  Guardians. And Zelda goes into Hyrule
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  Castle on her own, to try and fight Ganon and hold him off.
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  Link is taken to the the On a resurrection where he is
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  basically put to sleep for 100 years and the game starts with
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  with link waking up. He doesn't have any memory, he
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  doesn't know anything really and the game is effectively,
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  depending how you play it, but the linear story.
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  I suppose is to find out what, what happened to Zelda to go
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  back to Hyrule Castle to defeat Ganon because he has been
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  trapped in that castle for 100 years and kind of lay Scourge to
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  the land and find your memories and work out who you are and
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  what happened and go and assist Zelda, because she's been in
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  that castle for 100 years, holding off Gannon, and he's
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  getting to a point now where he is about to overpower her, so
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  link wakes up and that's, that's his task.
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  And that's pretty much the story.
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  I think, although I've probably missed a few bits and Bobs in
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  there. No, I think that's it's there
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  are some wrinkles to the usual sort of formula.
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  Yeah, it's is still very much a Zelda game, it's not Majora's
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  Mask, in terms of, no, it's not. This completely original thing.
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  And I don't know if you've seen the trailer for breath of the
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  wild, the very famous final trailer, but it's all about
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  finding out what happened, 100 years ago.
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  And as you say, you've referenced that in your In your
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  description of the storyline. Okay?
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  So this is a really big question for you.
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  And this is not sarcasm, either watch changed and I'm not going
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  to say what's changed between this and Skyward Sword.
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  Because obviously we didn't play that as part of the I've played
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  it separately but you've not played it.
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  So let's watch change between this and Twilight Princess the
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  scale of it. I suppose Twilight Princess is
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  kind of marketed and discussed as The most linear of the Zelda
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  games, and I don't know if that's the case for Skyward
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  Sword, is even even more linear. There you go.
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  So obviously Nintendo seemed like they were going in the
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  direction of linearity with the Zelda franchise in the late
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  2000s and early 2010's. However, this game is different
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  in the sense that it's completely open to you, it's
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  completely free. So it's an open world and you
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  can tackle it however, you want. There's no real way to do it.
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  Everyone will find their own Journey with this game and
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  everyone will find their own way of playing it.
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  As soon as you've completed the tutorial area, which is named
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  The Great Plateau. You're basically given the quest
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  marker of defeat Ganon. So I'm pretty sure this is.
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  The only Zelda game in the series where you can go and take
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  on the final bout final boss, you know, minutes after
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  completing the tutorial. And unless you really know what
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  you're doing, you're going to get absolutely smashed to bits.
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  I think, I don't know if it's, I don't know.
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  If you can go straight to the final boss, but you can
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  certainly approach, any dungeon in any order in Zelda. 1, going
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  back to yes, yes. Yes, ye can.
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  And I think we creation of breath of the world.
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  That was something that they wanted to do, is they wanted to
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  kind of kind of go back to the roots of Zelda, being with the
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  first Legend, of Zelda game from the 80s that that Played you
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  know, while ago, but another big change between this and Twilight
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  Princess. And really, for the rest of the
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  series is the dungeons. There aren't really traditional
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  dungeons. I think you can probably argue
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  that Hyrule Castle kind of classifies as one maybe.
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  But the rest of the game is its kind of broken down into four
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  Divine beasts, that you've got the option of going to Going to
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  tackle the Divine Beast which kind of actors dungeon esque
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  things giant puzzle boxes. Yeah that yeah.
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  Puzzle boxes is a good term for them and then the other element
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  to it that might be again. Slightly dungeon ask but they're
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  just many puzzles to the most part is the 120 shrines around
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  the map and the shrines are there to be completed.
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  Some of them are puzzles, some of them are tests of strength
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  and the end of Shrine you receive a spirit orb and you
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  have to get for Spirit orbs to convert that into either a heart
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  piece or not a heart piece of heart container or a addition to
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  your stamina vessel. Because you've got the option in
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  this game are either focusing on increasing your hearts or your
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  stamina both of which probably equally important.
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  I think this is the first game as well, really, where that's
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  been an element to it and you know, that there's pros and cons
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  And of doing both. Like, if you want to, if you
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  want to get the master sword, then you need to put effort into
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  up in your hearts, over your stamina, but it depends how many
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  shrines are going to do, but you can just go to fight Ganon three
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  hearts. You can go and fight again and
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  then people have done it. Yeah I've watched quite a few
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  speed runs of this game in the past kind of three weeks since I
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  started playing it and like the stuff that people can do in this
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  game is crazy. It's unbelievable.
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  Yeah. And I suppose The biggest change
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  of those, but another big change in this game is the combat
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  system. And in particular the weapon
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  degradation, which maybe you've got noted down to touch on
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  later. I'm not sure.
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  Yeah, good because I've got things to say about that.
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  But yeah, this is a very, very different game to the other
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  Zelda games and I think for, for me, because obviously you've
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  kind of set your stall out quite Early on there.
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  Like you said that? It's either this or Majora's
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  Mask. They're potentially your
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  favorite game of all time. Where as I said, I said at the
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  time so there is six years of suppose deliberation there.
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  Yeah, as well. So yeah, I'm still, I'm
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  especially starting tears of the Kingdom.
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  It's made me just think about the games.
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  That's all I'll say, that's fair enough for me.
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  Because, like, I mentioned at the start of the episode, I'm
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  not really as Elder person. There are some games, some Zelda
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  games on this list I've enjoyed I thought Link to the Past was
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  all right, I played Ocarina of Time a couple of times in the
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  past but the first time I completed it and it was okay.
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  Majora's Mask, I really enjoyed Wind Waker.
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  If you listen to our latter 50 ranking list, I'd mention it
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  again that I wanted it to be better than I thought.
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  Thought that it was and Twilight Princess.
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  Yeah. And Twilight.
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  Princess is probably being my least favorite out of them.
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  And then you've got Zelda 1, Zelda 2, which kind of a thing
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  on their own, but whether it's worth noting, you've still got
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  to finish Twilight. Princess, obviously, I've still
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  got to finish it, but breath of the wild feels like a completely
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  different thing. And it is the most non Zelda
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  feeling, Zelda game that I've played, and I mean, to be up
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  front. I really, I'm still At the
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  moment, obviously dance given me the challenge to complete all
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  the Zelda games, which is why I need to go back and complete
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  Twilight, Princess and I haven't completed breath of the world
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  yet just because it's so massive.
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  You know, I've think I've got 25 hours played around about that
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  and I've done to Divine beasts. I don't quite a few shrines and
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  I'm just kind of enjoying seeing where things take me and, as
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  well as that, this is the first Zelda game where I haven't
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  really Used a guide. Like I've looked up a few bits
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  and Bobs here and there how to do specific things.
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  But this is the first Zelda game where tips for?
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  Yeah. Yeah, tips and stuff.
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  However, this is the first Zelda game that we've played on the
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  list. I think we're, I haven't seeked
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  out specific guidance for certain bits.
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  I've been happy to just go with it and, you know, see where it
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  takes. Because the thing with this game
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  is that if you're given a problem, that seems like it's
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  only got maybe three ways of dealing.
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  With it. If you step back and look at it,
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  then there's probably actually about seven or eight ways that
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  you can tackle the issue that there's you said to me probably
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  a couple of years ago. But also just before we started
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  this, the best way to play this game is to just see where it
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  takes you. And that's kind of what I've
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  done here. And like I said it feels like
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  the, the least zelda-esque game of the Zelda games that we've
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  played, which I think is why I've enjoyed it so much.
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  And I think the biggest first element of that is the dungeons,
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  which I know for a lot of Zelda fans, they hate the fact that
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  there aren't dungeons in this game whereas I really, really
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  enjoy that fact. So enough.
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  Yeah, okay, so onto our ever-present feature, gameplay
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  is King, is breath of the wild fun to play.
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  Yes, it's unlimited options as to what you can do.
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  The gameplay isn't Flawless and this certainly isn't a perfect
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  game and ivory with that. Yeah, I've watched a lot of
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  footage, particularly from 2017 and you're seeing again, right
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  now, with Tears of the Kingdom reviews that are coming out and
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  people like Jim Sterling saying things.
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  Like you know, this game is 70 and he's I think he said I think
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  sorry I think they said the same about getting them both at 7:00.
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  I think batik with tears of the kingdom was that it's more of
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  the same. Yeah.
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  Not even that it's it by the stuff that builds on breath of
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  the wind is great but it's Still uses a lot of stuff from breath
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  of the wild. So if you don't like that stuff,
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  that stuff still there. Yes.
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  And there was a lot of pushback at the time against reviewers,
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  that didn't, but Mark this game down, as a 10 out of 10 or a
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  perfect and same to the kingdom. I mean, to be fair.
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  Same for just sell the games in general.
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  But just just a lot of rice. Particularly, I find exclusive
• 23:38
  games. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you will get
• 23:42
  those. That subsection of people that I
• 23:46
  was thinking. I was thinking about this
• 23:47
  recently, what people like, and I heard someone else.
• 23:51
  Describe maybe it was with, maybe it was.
• 23:54
  Jim Stephanie Sterling, who said this people just like to have an
• 23:59
  echo chamber. Yeah.
• 24:00
  What they like and they like this Echo chamber of thoughts
• 24:04
  saying oh yeah it's a to validate.
• 24:06
  This was perfect. Yeah yeah and I think we all
• 24:10
  seek that's a bit and I think We need to be aware of that,
• 24:14
  because our opinion is subjective, and it's not right?
• 24:21
  Yeah. So, these Echo Chambers are a
• 24:23
  bit unhealthy, in a way, aren't they?
• 24:24
  Yeah, they this game is very, very, very good and arguably one
• 24:31
  of the most fun, one of the most fun times I've had playing games
• 24:35
  on this list, but it isn't perfect.
• 24:38
  And we haven't played a perfect game on this list.
• 24:41
  We've played games. That you and me think probably
• 24:44
  quite close to being perfect, but I thought you say it's
• 24:48
  subjective, he's and Perfection. I don't believe any game is
• 24:52
  perfection. I mean, I know.
• 24:54
  There's that thing of saying Tetris is perfect but mmm,
• 24:57
  Tetris is also repetitive in its own way.
• 25:01
  Tetris is imperfect? Because Tetris pisses me off.
• 25:04
  Yeah, exactly. So that to me there is no such
• 25:08
  thing as Perfection but you can still have games that are a
• 25:11
  masterpiece. Oh, yes, absolutely.
• 25:15
  So, yeah, in a roundabout way of answering your question.
• 25:19
  That yes, this game is very fun and I imagine you would probably
• 25:22
  say the same. Yes.
• 25:24
  So, to me, in terms of the gameplay, this is Far and Away
• 25:29
  the best playing Zelda. I have no qualms in saying that
• 25:33
  it feels good to play. Everything feels Snappy and
• 25:38
  Punchy and jumping and climbing and all the physics stuff.
• 25:42
  In there it just feels good to play and jumping back into it.
• 25:48
  I was reminded of that it just feels good to play and it feels
• 25:51
  good to solve. Puzzles organically by
• 25:56
  experimenting. Yeah, this is a game about
• 25:58
  experimentation and experimenting here feels
• 26:02
  glorious. Yeah, I think it's really fun to
• 26:06
  play. I think that's probably the well
• 26:09
  one of two biggest selling points of this game is the
• 26:12
  gameplay. Okay, so what's your favorite
• 26:15
  move to do? Don't have to be a combat move
• 26:21
  to be, to be honest with you, I found it.
• 26:22
  I found the combat to be quite say me and I often found myself
• 26:27
  shying away from the combat because of the degradation
• 26:29
  system, not like entirely, but a lot of the time, I think that
• 26:36
  one of the best features in this game is the is the paraglider, I
• 26:40
  love it. Yeah, it makes traversal very
• 26:43
  good in particularly once you've done so, like we said, what you
• 26:47
  can do, Of the Divine beast, in any order that you want, the
• 26:52
  order that I've done them is, I did the the Zora one first, the
• 26:55
  big elephant, and then I did the Big Bird one afterwards in the
• 27:00
  sky. And after you complete that one,
• 27:02
  you get after each after each Divine, peace you and Locke a
• 27:07
  power from the original Champion, that piloted the
• 27:12
  Divine beast in the battle 100 years ago.
• 27:15
  And the one you get for doing the bird Divine Beast is Is
• 27:19
  what's it called like wings of rivoli's wind?
• 27:23
  Rivoli's wind that's it and basically you get a super high
• 27:27
  boost into the air that you can then paraglide off and it just
• 27:32
  makes traversal so fun. So I would say that the
• 27:35
  paraglider would be the highlight in terms of moves but
• 27:41
  again there are so many ways that you can play this game.
• 27:45
  Finding different ways to take on enemies and fighting Houses
• 27:48
  and stuff. Yeah, that's what I was going to
• 27:50
  say that. You know, think the with the
• 27:53
  combat there is, of course, there's the swordplay and
• 27:57
  there's quite a bit there, but, and there's a learning curve to
• 28:00
  it, as well, with the Dodgers and with the Perry's.
• 28:03
  Yeah, it's not easy. And then there's, then there's
• 28:07
  all the other bits that you can use all the other bits at your
• 28:09
  disposal to take on enemies, which I think you start to do as
• 28:15
  you start to experiment with the game, like I started using
• 28:17
  magnetism ISM to use. Yeah, metal objects to fight
• 28:21
  enemies or bombs or the ice, the freezing thing or stasis.
• 28:27
  The there's a lot to it and and the combat can change depending
• 28:33
  on conditions and things like that.
• 28:36
  So there are there are layers to the combat.
• 28:39
  But yeah, I get I get what you're saying especially if
• 28:44
  you're not a fan of the degradation.
• 28:47
  So, My favorite move. You've kind of stole my thunder.
• 28:50
  There is also the glider. Although I do have a backup, I'm
• 28:55
  as I say I'm playing two years of the Kingdom.
• 28:57
  I have not got the Glide runs. His of the Kingdom me I'm still
• 28:59
  quite early on in that game. I think I've just well I have
• 29:02
  just left the tutorial area and I don't have the glider yet yet
• 29:07
  at the same time in tears of the Kingdom, there's a lot of Sky
• 29:13
  Traverse or even very early on and I am missing the glider and
• 29:17
  I can't wait to get it. Because it becomes second
• 29:20
  nature. Yeah.
• 29:20
  To jump off a platform and just a tap, the, I think it's the x
• 29:25
  or the Y button, I was get confused because of the yeah.
• 29:28
  I think insects on the top. Yeah.
• 29:30
  And you tap that button and use your glider and it just feels so
• 29:36
  natural. It becomes like, it feels like
• 29:38
  I've lost a limb. Yeah.
• 29:39
  In tears of the Kingdom because I don't have it.
• 29:41
  That's how second nature. It becomes.
• 29:45
  So my secondary Favorite movies. I don't know if you've done this
• 29:49
  yet is The Shield surfing which is I vowed.
• 29:52
  I'd never worked hard to do that.
• 29:56
  So, it's I think it's using your shield with the left trigger and
• 30:02
  then it's jumping and then tapping the right trigger.
• 30:05
  I believe got you and and then you start Shield surfing and
• 30:09
  it's yeah especially if you do it in the snow, it's a lot of
• 30:12
  fun. Yeah, I've not far hasn't worked
• 30:14
  out so I'll give that a go when I next play it because I've seen
• 30:17
  videos of that and it was somehow.
• 30:19
  Yeah, runs trying. You can, you can Shield Surf and
• 30:24
  jump in the air and use your glider while.
• 30:25
  Your Shield surfing and carry on Shield.
• 30:27
  Surfing is again. There's a lot of layers to stuff
• 30:30
  that you wouldn't know. Yeah.
• 30:31
  So you just start digging with it and yeah, it's for that
• 30:35
  reason. Gameplay is King is as the name
• 30:40
  suggests, it's an important feature in our podcast.
• 30:44
  And I feel like this is one of the Stellar examples of
• 30:48
  gameplay. Yeah.
• 30:49
  In the list that we've done so far, there are a few others as
• 30:53
  well and this is one of them. So let's talk about the open
• 30:56
  world. I've called this section hostile
• 31:00
  Hyrule. Tell us a bit about Hyrule and
• 31:04
  what it feels like to. As you say, Have your path
• 31:08
  through it yet. Describe that for us with the,
• 31:12
  the game, the game scales in difficulty with you.
• 31:16
  So I think as you I don't know what the trigger is for it.
• 31:20
  Whether it's as you get more heart pieces or stamina parts,
• 31:23
  or as you complete more shrines or more Divine beasts, but the
• 31:27
  world scales with you and at the start of the game you are given
• 31:33
  this this like tablet thing which Each you need we you yeah,
• 31:40
  you get a Wii U which you effectively need to to update
• 31:44
  and fill in, by going to as in every open-world, a big tower,
• 31:49
  so that you can see what's, what's around you?
• 31:53
  What's going on? And I think there are about
• 31:56
  eight or nine of these big towers.
• 31:58
  Yeah. They're not too many.
• 31:59
  It's not like your Assassin's Creed or your father.
• 32:03
  No, yeah, it's every two minutes.
• 32:06
  Yes. But there are enough to
• 32:10
  challenge you and also the way to Traverse up.
• 32:14
  These towers can be different in different areas.
• 32:18
  Yeah. Like the old Assassin's Creed
• 32:19
  games used to have? Yeah yeah a little bit but The
• 32:26
  world around. You can go from being incredibly
• 32:29
  peaceful. One minute to just out, kill you
• 32:33
  a minute later. And one of the one of the issues
• 32:35
  that I was having, I was doing the tasks, for whatever that old
• 32:41
  woman's called the lives in kakariko, Village.
• 32:43
  I can't remember her name. Is it in park?
• 32:47
  Yeah, a, I was doing the task for her to find the 12 memories
• 32:54
  so that you Could kind of piece together what happened, a
• 32:57
  hundred years ago. And I knew that in doing that,
• 32:59
  I'd get the, the Champions tunic, the, the kind of the
• 33:03
  Classic Blue, yeah, outfit that you seal inquiring in there.
• 33:09
  So I know that you can get the, like, the green, the green tunic
• 33:13
  and stuff in the game. But you have to complete all the
• 33:15
  shrines to do that and there was no way that I was going to do
• 33:17
  that. So I thought I'd get the next
• 33:20
  best thing and there was one of the pieces that It was quite
• 33:26
  nearby Hyrule castle and it wasn't the one in Hyrule Castle.
• 33:31
  I did struggle with that a little bit, but not too bad and
• 33:34
  that was the only time that I've been in Tyrell Castle so far was
• 33:37
  to get that memory. So I've not gone in there to
• 33:39
  take on Ganondorf, get the shield but there's one run the
• 33:45
  front of Hyrule castle that you have to cross a big open pain of
• 33:49
  grass and as you get closer to the castle, there are these big
• 33:53
  Guardians. And like I mentioned earlier,
• 33:55
  The Guardians like these big machines that the way they fight
• 34:00
  you is that they'll lock onto you and they'll shoot this huge
• 34:03
  burst of light at you brutal. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:06
  Like, they're so frustrating. And for a while I was like, how
• 34:13
  am I going to get this memory? I had to sneak by and I got
• 34:15
  really far across and then one of them just swarming us off
• 34:18
  Christ's sake and because I'm not very good at the Perry
• 34:22
  system in this game with the shields, they just Sherry
• 34:25
  clattered me every time and sorry, how did you do it in the
• 34:31
  end? I can't even remember.
• 34:33
  I think I made my way to the central tower.
• 34:36
  Went up there and then just like flew down, which is an option in
• 34:40
  this game. Yeah.
• 34:41
  And a lot, a lot of the, a lot of the challenges in this game,
• 34:44
  I found, I found myself not going the way that they wanted
• 34:49
  you to go or any of the alternative routes they put
• 34:52
  aside to I just blocked right. I'm just going to climb So I
• 34:56
  avoided a lot of option though. Yeah, I avoided a lot of
• 35:00
  difficult areas just by climbing and like sometimes getting seen
• 35:05
  by an enemy is just like just absolutely.
• 35:08
  But as you remember, I went to Lionel.
• 35:12
  Yeah. Yeah, they're solid like they're
• 35:14
  really tough but I remember going up to the I say it's the
• 35:21
  fourth Shrine on the great Plateau, the one that's in the
• 35:23
  the cold area. Yeah, and if you look across
• 35:27
  over the great Plateau, it leads towards kind of like the rocky
• 35:30
  desert area. Yeah.
• 35:31
  And I was like, right, I'm going to fly over there.
• 35:33
  So I flew over and I was like, there is a tower around here.
• 35:37
  So I'm going to find it and I was climbing the mountain, you
• 35:38
  know, those. I can't know what they're
• 35:40
  called, but like, there's little ghosty things, they've got long
• 35:44
  robes on that kind of skip about Oh you mean yeah I know what you
• 35:49
  mean there. I know what they are.
• 35:52
  They're like the the sorcerer's are ya, Wizards and wizards I'd
• 35:57
  fought. I thought a couple of them and
• 35:59
  like that bit challenging but they weren't too bad and I found
• 36:02
  this one as I was climbing up the mountain to get to this
• 36:07
  Tower and it saw me I was like, okay this won't be too much of a
• 36:11
  problem but I realized robes. Yeah, with ropes, that's it.
• 36:16
  I realized all of my bows at broken so range was out and this
• 36:21
  one particular wizzrobe was absolutely solid and it just
• 36:24
  decided to start raining down Thunder and I started to run
• 36:28
  away and I was like, well I'll get out of its side and it will
• 36:30
  stop doing it but it chase me for a good like 45 seconds just
• 36:34
  like shooting this thunder from the sky and I was like what is
• 36:38
  going on and eventually I managed to get away but this
• 36:42
  game if you're not paying attention to the way that or
• 36:46
  going or if you're not paying attention to the alternative
• 36:48
  routes open to you it will absolutely smack you down.
• 36:51
  Yeah, this isn't as oh yeah, this isn't an easy game.
• 36:55
  And like each Divine Beast has its own boss at the end, and
• 37:00
  it's a version of Ganon that you have to fight.
• 37:02
  And I've done, like I said, the water one in the one in the air.
• 37:06
  And I've watched quite a lot of footage of the one that I'm
• 37:08
  about to do next. I'm in, I'm in the desert.
• 37:12
  I know you've seen that the one in the deserts, Divine Beast,
• 37:17
  gives people quite a lot of grief, just because of the speed
• 37:20
  of the thing and the thunder. So we'll see how I get on with
• 37:25
  that one and then I've got to go to Death Mountain to the last
• 37:29
  one. I've not really worked out how
• 37:31
  I'm going to do the whole thing in terms of not burning alive,
• 37:34
  when I get there because I want to try and find a shrine up
• 37:36
  their land on the floor and was dead within about 20 seconds
• 37:38
  because I just burnt burnt alive, it weighs.
• 37:41
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:42
  Again, quite a few waste to doll that kind of thing.
• 37:45
  Yeah, so yeah, this is a, this is a very hostile world if
• 37:50
  you're not paying attention and if you're not paying attention
• 37:54
  to your inventory and managing that effectively is how I would
• 37:59
  answer your question in a long-winded way. and, How do you
• 38:06
  think? So with so many games, you start
• 38:10
  the game and it's an open world but people had a certain way.
• 38:16
  How do you think this game? Gets away from that because I do
• 38:21
  believe it does. But what is it about this game
• 38:24
  that empowers people's go off in their own Direction?
• 38:29
  You know, I I've mentioned this before and I don't know because
• 38:33
  I know that you've watched a few videos on this game the past
• 38:36
  week or two, I've mentioned this video maybe a year or two ago
• 38:40
  and it's a video that I watched and it's a breath of the Wild
• 38:44
  video. I don't know if you've come
• 38:45
  across it yet of introducing A non-gamer to a video game.
• 38:51
  And it's don't remember it. So it's a guy that he's a gamer.
• 38:57
  He's been playing games all his life but his girlfriend isn't?
• 39:00
  She never really got game, so she doesn't really play them.
• 39:04
  And he basically says, okay, what I'm going to do is I'm
• 39:08
  going to give her a controller. I'm going to start on a new new
• 39:11
  game on breath of the wild and see how she gets on.
• 39:15
  And It seems from watching that video, that it took her a while.
• 39:20
  Particularly, like I've had girlfriends in the past where
• 39:24
  I've tried to get them into gaming and the thing that people
• 39:26
  struggle with the most is moving the camera, as well as moving
• 39:30
  the character, like free cameras really at the same time.
• 39:35
  Yeah, it really throws people that aren't used to it.
• 39:37
  Whereas for me it's imprinted into my head because I've been
• 39:41
  doing it since I was a kid. Butts with with the breath of
• 39:49
  the wild because you can just do whatever you want in.
• 39:53
  Whatever order even, you can't leave the great Plateau until
• 39:57
  you've done the for shrines and that's so that you don't kind of
• 39:59
  screw yourself over further on down the line, but even on the
• 40:03
  great Plateau, you tackle, it however you want.
• 40:05
  So, You know. I think it's either Matthew
• 40:11
  mitosis or King K on YouTube. Put it quite well, is that once
• 40:16
  you finish the great Plateau, you have got the the way point
• 40:21
  that the king there are actually two to go to kakariko Village or
• 40:25
  if you don't want a linear experience and you just want to
• 40:28
  kind of go and explore, you can do that as well.
• 40:30
  And that's the thing that this girl did when she was playing
• 40:33
  the game. She she only paid the great
• 40:35
  Plateau section but instead of when you come out of the shrine
• 40:38
  of Resurrection You do the iconic kind of intro to the game
• 40:42
  where you look over the great plateau and see the world, and
• 40:46
  the title comes up. And then if you're a gamer,
• 40:50
  you're going to follow the path. You're going to go right down
• 40:54
  towards the Temple of time, but she didn't and she just
• 40:59
  immediately went left fell off and died, but that taught her
• 41:04
  that okay. If there is a mountain there,
• 41:06
  you need to plan effectively for it.
• 41:07
  You need to think about it but there is Also away, if you go to
• 41:11
  the left where I think you can climb over the mountain without
• 41:13
  much difficulty, and she did that and because there's no,
• 41:18
  there's no invisible walls. There's nothing that's stopping
• 41:20
  you from doing it. You can just go and do that and
• 41:24
  I think personally that the exploration in this game is
• 41:29
  really where it excels because you can just come across stuff
• 41:34
  that I was going to say so I think yeah one is the gameplay
• 41:38
  itself. To is the world and just the way
• 41:42
  it's presented to you in the way that you can explore it.
• 41:46
  Yeah absolutely. And like I say some of the best
• 41:49
  moments in this game of the ones that you don't know are coming
• 41:52
  and I was playing it and I was I was going over some hills as I
• 41:56
  approached like hi Leah and as you get close to like higher if
• 42:02
  it's a specific time of day you see a dragon come out of the
• 42:06
  water. I can't remember the dragon's
• 42:08
  name. I did spend a bit of time On the
• 42:10
  dragon a few hours later because I needed to get part of his his
• 42:13
  horn to upgrade the tunic. But the first time kind of
• 42:17
  walking over the mountains and then just in the distant seeing
• 42:21
  a massive Dragon, like huge just kind of casually floating out of
• 42:28
  the lake and I'm flying around not all the cutscene no no no.
• 42:32
  It's all part of the game. He did you just kind of comes
• 42:34
  out and flies around then goes back into the lake and I I'd
• 42:39
  Seen footage of that before. But I'd forgotten, I'd forgotten
• 42:42
  about it, I think. And I was like, so I didn't
• 42:47
  really know anything about the dragons in this game because I
• 42:48
  think there are two or three I found two.
• 42:52
  But I looked at it and I was a bit like, oh Christ and I only
• 42:56
  had like quite basic weapon around me.
• 42:58
  Also, I'm like after the fight that thing which maybe not go,
• 43:02
  anywhere near that Lake because I absolutely no way that thing
• 43:06
  is going to absolutely like flame me.
• 43:09
  But you later find out if you do get a bit closer that they are
• 43:14
  they're peaceful there that they won't attack you and they're
• 43:17
  there to kind of get scales and parts of the horn from to
• 43:22
  upgrade your equipment but yeah. Like stumbling across the flight
• 43:26
  that in this game you can't really Put not put into words
• 43:31
  because it wasn't like a life-changing experience for me,
• 43:33
  but it was very like, quite special, you know, Wonder
• 43:35
  though, isn't it? Yeah, 100 percent.
• 43:38
  Because yeah, it's one of those games where you think.
• 43:40
  Okay, I've seen everything I'm on an open world, there's some
• 43:44
  really cool elements to it then all of a sudden boom Dragon.
• 43:46
  Oh, what is that going to eat me?
• 43:48
  Like, you know, it's it certainly is certainly a special
• 43:53
  game with very special elements in it.
• 43:56
  So I watched a video just before this, I hadn't watched it
• 44:00
  before. So it's a, there's a channel
• 44:03
  called game makers toolkit and it's about the design of video
• 44:07
  games. And basically, in 2017, Nintendo
• 44:11
  did a presentation in Japanese about how they design breath of
• 44:15
  the wild. But not a lot of information was
• 44:18
  released about that. A Nintendo didn't release it
• 44:22
  themselves. So this this YouTube is kind of
• 44:26
  broken down. On what was said in that
• 44:27
  presentation and they said that when they started designing this
• 44:32
  game, they had the towers as you say as the focal points and
• 44:38
  people would just follow certain path and they don't, they do end
• 44:40
  up at the towers and they'd all go the same way 80% of people
• 44:43
  would go the same way and 20% would go off in their own
• 44:46
  Direction, but Nintendo wanted everyone's got off in the right
• 44:49
  direction. So they said the way that they
• 44:51
  combat it, this was They created these other focal points around
• 44:56
  the map of varying scale and size.
• 44:58
  So you've got as you say, the shrines which have this
• 45:01
  distinctive orange color, that will pull you one way because
• 45:04
  you know, you can increase your hearts, increase your stamina.
• 45:07
  Yeah. You've got the, The Stables
• 45:09
  where you can do various things, pick up side quests, rest.
• 45:14
  And as you say it's quite a hostile World, you've got the
• 45:16
  town's, you've got the towers themselves and you've got all
• 45:21
  these things. Pulling you across the map and
• 45:26
  drawing You Away From The Towers.
• 45:29
  So apparently the way that they decide design the world was in
• 45:33
  Triangle, so that there are so many hills and mountains.
• 45:37
  So that at any one time, you can only see a certain number of
• 45:40
  things. To say, you've got four focal
• 45:43
  points but then you'll go to one focal point.
• 45:46
  Yeah, I've got another for focal points and they might be in a
• 45:49
  further Direction. So you head in that direction
• 45:51
  and then you see, four more And one of the things you said to me
• 45:54
  before we, before we decided to do the episode today, was you
• 45:58
  keep getting pulled off in there, not not in a bad way, but
• 46:02
  no pulled off into a direction away from the four key areas.
• 46:08
  And that's To me, that's where the game shines because I it's a
• 46:17
  bold statement to say but I don't think I've played another
• 46:20
  open world game. We played The Witcher 3
• 46:21
  recently, The Witcher 3 relies on waypoints and sat-nav, very
• 46:27
  heavy Journal telling you where to go.
• 46:30
  And yeah, it gets confusing at times in its linearity in terms
• 46:34
  of not linearity, but in its prescriptive way that it tells
• 46:39
  you to go to certain locations. Occasions.
• 46:41
  And what are the way point? Whereas, here, it basically just
• 46:47
  blows up that whole thing, that whole thing that video game is
• 46:51
  do and does something different. And I think games have done the
• 46:56
  same retention to do the same since then since breath of the
• 47:00
  wild came out, but it did feel very, very fresh.
• 47:05
  And I'd argue it still feels very fresh because so few games
• 47:08
  master that And I'm just looking at my when I when I put together
• 47:15
  the list for this episode, I'll I usually like to have quite a
• 47:20
  clear concise list but I've got notes all over the place here.
• 47:24
  So as you said, one of the great things about the game is that
• 47:28
  you can go anywhere. You can do the dungeons in any
• 47:31
  order. You can go straight to it again.
• 47:34
  And if you want to, yeah you feel you're ready to do that.
• 47:38
  The story's heading is another area where they Tried something
• 47:42
  different. And I don't think this is
• 47:44
  actually, as successful as the other things, because before I
• 47:47
  played this game, I read an interview with Aegean Numa who's
• 47:52
  the producer has older. Who's basically mr.
• 47:55
  Zadra Nintendo. Yeah.
• 47:56
  And he said, in terms of the stories heading, he said we've
• 48:00
  done something completely different and with this we we
• 48:07
  think is going to be really fresh for people.
• 48:11
  Oh, and it is different. This is not the way that people
• 48:14
  usually tell stories, but the problem I have with it is It
• 48:18
  wasn't this new way of telling a story, but what you're basically
• 48:21
  doing is going around the map unlocking memories.
• 48:24
  They're all in the past. Yes you're unlocking that what
• 48:26
  happened but Not all of them feel that important, it just
• 48:32
  didn't feel revolutionary the way that he was describing.
• 48:35
  I don't know if you, how you feel about the memories that you
• 48:38
  unlock because the game is so open.
• 48:43
  You don't, I mean you can follow the the photos that you're given
• 48:47
  to kind of doing a specific way, but you're more than likely
• 48:50
  going to just stumble across them.
• 48:51
  Maybe if you're lucky, I'll that was the only part of the game
• 48:54
  like that. I really needed to be a guidance
• 48:57
  on to find. Out the specific locations.
• 49:00
  So, If you just do it in any order, you're going to kind of
• 49:06
  see the story of, you know, how Zelda and Link Mets to how their
• 49:13
  relationship increased to the point where she finally kind of
• 49:17
  opens up to him and has faith of faith in him.
• 49:19
  But if you're watching them in, you know, random Order it can be
• 49:28
  quite jarring because you're not really following the structure
• 49:31
  of the story. Which, you know, it's probably
• 49:34
  the only part of this game story that this happens in because the
• 49:38
  rest of it is just like why you can do it in any point in any
• 49:41
  way that you need to until you get to this point and then
• 49:44
  you're at the castle. So the story is going to go in
• 49:45
  this way but I'm like because the the memories are completely
• 49:52
  optional you don't have to do you have to do anything in that
• 49:54
  game? No, no. but I'm glad that I did
• 49:56
  because it gave me more of a An idea on Zelda and links
• 50:03
  relationship. And I mean, this is the first
• 50:06
  time that characters have been voiced and a Zelda game.
• 50:10
  And I wasn't really sure how I felt about Zelda's character.
• 50:18
  Yeah, get that. She, I don't know.
• 50:21
  She she comes across has, I'm not sure, but there's just
• 50:26
  something about her where I feel.
• 50:27
  She's very entitled and she's very Upper own arse a little bit
• 50:33
  in the initial cutscenes and that that will probably change.
• 50:37
  When, you know, I get to the castle and defeat Ganon.
• 50:40
  So I know that obviously she's heavily linked with that section
• 50:43
  of the game and I know that she's linked with tears of the
• 50:45
  Kingdom as well. So I'm already more impressed
• 50:48
  with Elders characterizations. His of the Kingdom.
• 50:51
  Yeah. In in breadth of the world.
• 50:54
  She's just kind of shown to be a little bit helpless.
• 50:57
  She's kind of having an existential crisis throughout
• 50:59
  the 12, cutscenes of the memory. Is about the fact that she
• 51:03
  cannot fathom this power that she needs to defeat Ganon.
• 51:08
  And she's very much a reluctant hero that's yet to kind of show
• 51:15
  off any heroics and she's very aware of that and she's very in
• 51:19
  her own head about that. So she's very conflicted and
• 51:22
  very torn but because I haven't seen how the story ends.
• 51:25
  I know how the game ends in terms of fight Ganon and win,
• 51:29
  but I've never watched any of the cutscene scenes from the end
• 51:31
  game. So I don't know how the story
• 51:36
  concludes and breadth of the world, you know.
• 51:38
  So maybe my, my perception on that will change at some point
• 51:41
  soon. I don't know.
• 51:42
  But yeah, that I feel that those memories really are key.
• 51:47
  And if there was going to be any part of the game that should
• 51:50
  have been mandatory, it probably should have been those.
• 51:53
  Yeah, maybe. Yeah, one thing I want to talk
• 51:57
  about is and I want to use the word systemic here.
• 52:02
  The gameplay is systemic. There are so many systems at
• 52:06
  play. Yeah, and they are part of what
• 52:09
  make the game joyous for me? So, you go into a shrine, you've
• 52:14
  got a challenge. And I mean, the great one is,
• 52:17
  this is the one that people always use, but it's a great
• 52:19
  example. You've got one way, you've got a
• 52:22
  maze and you're trying to get the ball from one side to the
• 52:26
  other and you In your tilt controls that the switch has in
• 52:32
  order to manipulate this Maze and to get the ball to roll from
• 52:35
  one end to the other. Or you can flip the the maze
• 52:39
  over entirely using the Tilt controls.
• 52:41
  Use the flat surface of the underside and roll.
• 52:44
  It's your destination. Yeah it's stuff like that.
• 52:47
  You've got these shrines that you will see people on YouTube.
• 52:55
  Finding ways to do them, which it feels like with these
• 53:00
  shrines. They've presented these
• 53:01
  challenges. There are ways to do them that I
• 53:04
  suppose, you could call intentional, set ways to do
• 53:07
  them. But there are also countless
• 53:11
  other ways to do them. So there are ones where you
• 53:13
  manipulate lightning and in order to get lightning from one
• 53:18
  side to the other, you can use the set way that you suppose
• 53:22
  Nintendo. Intended for you to do, or you
• 53:25
  can use weapons, which conducts electricity and they can be your
• 53:30
  channel from one side to the other there at the systems that
• 53:35
  play. So you've got the rain, you've
• 53:37
  got the fact that if you use metallic weapons in the rain you
• 53:42
  will get struck by lightning. So you have to change that.
• 53:44
  While me up it as you know yeah you got the fact that you can't
• 53:49
  climb in the rain. So I'm also very frustrating.
• 53:53
  It just adds to this idea of a hostile world, doesn't it?
• 53:56
  And yeah I'm sure there are some players that may be weighted the
• 53:59
  rain out in a stable or something.
• 54:01
  And I think that's maybe part of what Nintendo intended you to
• 54:06
  do, but people like be carried on anyway.
• 54:08
  Thinking I'm going to I'm going to do my damnedest to get up
• 54:11
  this mountain and then arranged, a and fall and die.
• 54:15
  Yeah, or that. Yeah.
• 54:16
  So so so there's that and then there's Lincoln jump for the
• 54:22
  first time And yes, you've got these powers that I already
• 54:24
  mentioned. You've got the magnetism, you've
• 54:26
  got the stasis, and some of the stuff that people have done in
• 54:30
  this game. As I said before, is
• 54:33
  unbelievable, the way that they've used this, these
• 54:35
  physics. Have you seen the people doing
• 54:37
  the traversal with the bombs? I'll probably see it at some
• 54:41
  point. Basically, they get a bomb, they
• 54:44
  throw it, and then they jump in the air and get their bow out.
• 54:48
  So they're kind of going to like Matrix Slow Time shoot the shoe,
• 54:52
  the bomb, and they just go flying across the map.
• 54:55
  And that's how a lot of them do traversal for speedruns is
• 54:57
  crazy. I mean, it's at the at that, you
• 55:01
  know, the mercy of the fact that you lose a few Hearts, but it's
• 55:04
  crazy just like how we live life broken this game, this waste of
• 55:08
  quite literally fly that The found.
• 55:10
  Yeah. And I mean a simple example is
• 55:14
  this, but there are that there are so many systems at play.
• 55:17
  But a simpler example is this. You have a fire breaks out
• 55:23
  because you shoot an explosive Barrel.
• 55:25
  Yep. And all the surrounding grass,
• 55:29
  trees set on fire. That in turn generates hot wind
• 55:35
  that in turn. You can use your glider and you
• 55:37
  can glide above. Yeah.
• 55:38
  So if you're fighting One then you can attack from above using
• 55:41
  your bow and the whole game is like this.
• 55:45
  You have an axe, you can chop down trees using those trees.
• 55:48
  You can either gather the wood or you can build yourself a
• 55:51
  bridge to cross the river, which is, I think one of the ones
• 55:54
  that's presented in the, in the plateau.
• 55:58
  Yeah, there's like the options presented to you.
• 56:00
  This just so many logical things in there where you might think.
• 56:06
  Can I do this? And Invariably most of the time
• 56:10
  you can do that and that's really satisfying that to me,
• 56:16
  adds to the gameplay and the exploration to create this, what
• 56:21
  feels like a living world. So though, yes, the rain is
• 56:27
  hazardous and Annoying. It's also consistent makes sense
• 56:33
  within that world and people will deal with it in different
• 56:36
  ways. Yeah.
• 56:40
  Let's talk about. The weapons, which is a very
• 56:44
  contentious point in a very divisive point.
• 56:47
  So let's talk about those. What do you think about them?
• 56:50
  I hate it. It is my biggest gripe with this
• 56:53
  game to anyone that hasn't played it.
• 56:56
  The game has a weapon degradation system where
• 57:00
  basically, you don't have assets inventory of weapons in this
• 57:05
  game like previous where you'd get like the Kokiri sword.
• 57:07
  And then the master sword or whatever it is very much, the
• 57:10
  start of the game, you pick up like twigs, And sticks and you
• 57:13
  fight with those until you can pick up swords and loads of the
• 57:16
  game scales with you. But each weapon each shield and
• 57:20
  each bow only has a specific number of uses before it breaks.
• 57:26
  And this game you can't fix stuff.
• 57:30
  If it starts to become damaged, so it kind of puts you off from
• 57:34
  using the good equipment on things that you feel like maybe
• 57:39
  you don't need it and you can get the master sword in this
• 57:43
  game. I got it.
• 57:44
  It's at the expense that you have to do quite a few shrines
• 57:47
  beforehand, because you need 13 Hearts to be able to pull it out
• 57:50
  of the stone. But even then, the master sword,
• 57:54
  like you mentioned to me, it isn't the best weapon in the
• 57:57
  game, and as well. That although it never breaks,
• 58:03
  it will overcharge. And then once you've done the
• 58:05
  same amount of damage as your do with any other weapon in the
• 58:08
  game, it needs to charge back up for 10 in game minutes.
• 58:11
  So I found the degradation system to be very frustrating
• 58:17
  and part of me understands why they did it because they want
• 58:20
  you to kind of keep play necessary.
• 58:23
  You think it was necessary. Yeah, I think it was I don't
• 58:27
  think Nintendo set out to make a game with weapon degradation.
• 58:31
  No, I think they did it to make you play in different ways and
• 58:35
  experience different things. So, you just wouldn't get stuck
• 58:38
  playing in one way. With this hazardous world that
• 58:41
  they've got where everything is a threat, where it does have a
• 58:44
  steep difficulty curve to begin with.
• 58:46
  I think having Asset sword. Although it would have made it a
• 58:53
  more straightforward, kind of less frustrating experience for
• 58:57
  some. Hmm, I think it would also taken
• 58:59
  away from that element. I think you can't have one
• 59:02
  without the other, so I understand.
• 59:05
  Well, I feel like I understand why they did it and I don't mind
• 59:08
  it. I also feel like when you
• 59:11
  learned, Embrace the degradation system, what?
• 59:16
  I mean by that is you start to get into a habit of just picking
• 59:21
  things up and thinking, you don't.
• 59:25
  I mean, I've recently paid Resident Evil 4 where your
• 59:27
  weapons, you're upgrading them and you have certain stalwarts
• 59:32
  that you always go for, I love the Magnum in Resident Evil 4,
• 59:35
  you do the opposite ends older, you think?
• 59:37
  Well, I'm not gonna get attached to this because it's going to
• 59:39
  break and weapons are plenty. 24 and the out of the I suppose.
• 59:45
  The only problem with the degrading weapons is the fact
• 59:47
  that you always have to go into the system to use them, there
• 59:52
  might be another way, but I might have forgotten it.
• 59:55
  But yeah, so I feel like it was necessary and I feel like if
• 1:00:00
  you'd have had that system that the old Zelda U the old Zelda's
• 1:00:03
  used it would have taken away something else that I feel like
• 1:00:08
  the game couldn't survive losing and for the game to be as it is,
• 1:00:19
  I feel like those are, those are for that worlds of here, as
• 1:00:22
  hostile as it does, it's really important to have them.
• 1:00:27
  I don't, I don't really know another solution to that
• 1:00:30
  conundrum, and I suppose that's why I think Nintendo went that
• 1:00:32
  way. Hmm, I agree with you.
• 1:00:36
  It probably is the case, but I still reserve the right to be
• 1:00:39
  annoyed about it because it's my, my least favorite element of
• 1:00:43
  the game by by far. But I get the feeling I
• 1:00:50
  understand as to why it's there but yeah just wasn't wasn't for
• 1:00:53
  me, you know. Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  And that's what that's what I've used the word necessary, I think
• 1:00:58
  it was necessary even if it's always going to be divisive and
• 1:01:02
  there are always going to be Zelda.
• 1:01:04
  Fans clamoring for Nintendo to return to non degradable weapons
• 1:01:09
  bar. In this game.
• 1:01:11
  I feel like it was the right call.
• 1:01:14
  Even if it doesn't bother to be honest, it doesn't bother me as
• 1:01:18
  much as it did not begin with it.
• 1:01:19
  Did bother me a lot to begin with.
• 1:01:20
  It was you have to get used to it?
• 1:01:22
  Yeah. And just when you get yourself,
• 1:01:24
  a good sword, you think I was Bloody broken.
• 1:01:27
  I feel like you do start to unlock this sort of Hermits
• 1:01:33
  mentality where you just start to Interchange things and I've
• 1:01:38
  kind of gone into tears of the Kingdom with that same
• 1:01:40
  mentality. And it does things a little bit
• 1:01:42
  differently into the kingdom. But yeah, it's strange.
• 1:01:45
  How you can shift that side of yourself because I am a huge II.
• 1:01:50
  Can't stand degradable weapons in other games, but there's
• 1:01:55
  something here. Don't mind do you?
• 1:01:58
  Yeah, it's yeah, I don't mind it and I understand it.
• 1:02:00
  And because of that, I find it acceptable, but I owe was that I
• 1:02:06
  understand that people's mileage very on this.
• 1:02:08
  And I think this was one of the things that really put off.
• 1:02:12
  Jim Stephanie Sterling, which is fair enough?
• 1:02:14
  Yeah. So the final design aspect I
• 1:02:19
  want to talk about and this is going to be a slightly longer
• 1:02:22
  episode, but I think that was to be expected is the climbing and
• 1:02:27
  traversal. So games have tried it before
• 1:02:33
  and you hear that old thing of, oh, you can go anywhere.
• 1:02:37
  You see that? He'll that mountain in the
• 1:02:38
  distance you can go there. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:41
  That that I mean game is as far back as Oblivion and probably
• 1:02:44
  Morrowind was saying things like that.
• 1:02:46
  And one thing that I've noticed a lot of games since breath of
• 1:02:51
  the world have copied is a climbing system.
• 1:02:54
  Yeah, you can climb anything and It's something that's not the
• 1:02:59
  most fun to do in the game, but it really adds a lot to that
• 1:03:03
  freedom. So I just wanted to touch upon
• 1:03:05
  it. Have you got any thoughts about
• 1:03:07
  the climbing? I love the climbing in this game
• 1:03:09
  and you know, when you think of other games have got somewhat
• 1:03:13
  similar environments or Maps like Skyrim and to climb a
• 1:03:18
  mountain, you're a mountain. You effectively have to break
• 1:03:20
  the game so that you're walking vertically.
• 1:03:24
  Whereas the implementation here is really good and like I said,
• 1:03:27
  earlier, I used Climbing a lot to kind of get around difficult
• 1:03:32
  parts or to get around enemies and you can use it for stealth.
• 1:03:36
  You can use it for lots of different, you know, different
• 1:03:40
  tasks and as soon as I got the 13 Hearts to get the master
• 1:03:43
  sword, I then just started putting all of my Shrine orbs
• 1:03:48
  into stamina because I found stamina to be the most useful.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah. And to be honest with you, if
• 1:03:54
  you didn't need the 13 Hearts to extract, the master sword from
• 1:03:57
  the And I probably would have done it earlier.
• 1:04:01
  Yeah I probably you know would have been happy if I had like
• 1:04:06
  six or seven Hearts through the game and just put all of my
• 1:04:10
  stuff into stamina because I think it's so useful with things
• 1:04:12
  like climbing with sprinting. With the amount of time you can
• 1:04:15
  hold onto your paraglider. It's just that the way to go and
• 1:04:19
  I really like the climbing in this game climbing in.
• 1:04:23
  The rain is very frustrating. Yeah.
• 1:04:25
  Because yeah, like you said earlier it can kind of live At
• 1:04:28
  what you can do. And, you know, in the rain you
• 1:04:30
  are very limited as to how chivalrous halfway climbing up
• 1:04:34
  something, and then it starts raining, which happens.
• 1:04:37
  Yeah, frustrating. But no, I really like the
• 1:04:40
  climbing element of this game and all of the stamina based.
• 1:04:43
  If I do enjoy, I think it's one of the best elements of the
• 1:04:46
  game, except the swimming don't like the swimming.
• 1:04:50
  You don't like this to me. No, I think that's another
• 1:04:53
  thing. I think there's another design
• 1:04:56
  choice that they made. Because there are parts of the
• 1:05:00
  map. There are certain areas that in
• 1:05:05
  a way can't be crossed because you won't be able to swim across
• 1:05:09
  them because of the stamina and it was it was a way to not
• 1:05:15
  necessarily limit the plagues. I don't believe that was the
• 1:05:17
  reason Bay as a way to rein in what you could do with that
• 1:05:22
  starting amount of things yet. I think it was the they don't
• 1:05:28
  put control on you a lot here, but it's a way to steer you.
• 1:05:32
  I think that's probably a good word for it to stay.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah, it's steer you in different directions.
• 1:05:36
  Yeah, I agree. We're not really touched on this
• 1:05:39
  and looking forward to talking about it.
• 1:05:42
  Let's talk about the audio of this game.
• 1:05:43
  I've got three aspects to talk about, so let's talk about the
• 1:05:46
  voiceover. The, you you mentioned before.
• 1:05:48
  How do you feel about it? It's alright.
• 1:05:51
  It's, I don't think it's intrusive.
• 1:05:55
  It's The first Zelda game where they have used voice acting and
• 1:05:59
  only for a select number of characters, not everyone has it
• 1:06:03
  for a lot of the NPC's. It's still very much the same as
• 1:06:06
  I'll do whether it's like who are that kind of thing which I'm
• 1:06:11
  okay with, to be honest, yeah, I'm fine with it.
• 1:06:13
  I think could have gone too far with it.
• 1:06:15
  Yeah, I don't think everyone needs a voice and I think the
• 1:06:17
  decision to not Voice Link as well.
• 1:06:19
  Was the correct one. Yeah, I think to be fair I even
• 1:06:22
  think voicing Zelda was risky because my God.
• 1:06:26
  I found it to be a bit irritating, but I think the
• 1:06:29
  voice acting is fine. It's not going to win any awards
• 1:06:32
  for how good it is, but I think it does the job in The Limited
• 1:06:37
  inclusion. As to what it is in this game.
• 1:06:40
  Are you you similar? Yeah, I think, for a long, long
• 1:06:47
  time there was a conversation about.
• 1:06:49
  Should Zelda put voice working? Should they not?
• 1:06:52
  And I was, I always erred on the side of not because there's,
• 1:06:59
  there's the cartoon, The Unofficial cartoon that they
• 1:07:01
  made. When they voiced The Sword of
• 1:07:04
  gamilon or whatever it was called.
• 1:07:05
  Drink. Do you must do the CDI games?
• 1:07:08
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  With the legs. Excuse me.
• 1:07:12
  Me, Princess, an octorok? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:18
  And if handled the wrong way, it could have been.
• 1:07:25
  It could have turned it into a cartoon and just spoil the game.
• 1:07:29
  Yeah, I think what you said, you used a phrase and I would Echo
• 1:07:33
  this phrase is you described it as non intrusive?
• 1:07:36
  And that's why I think as well. I know Zelda's performance.
• 1:07:42
  We're a bit divided on it. What I don't like is I generally
• 1:07:46
  don't like this in general in general with voice acting is
• 1:07:49
  they've got an American actress to do a British accent and you
• 1:07:53
  can hear American rhythms in there.
• 1:07:56
  Yeah. Which bothers me, it has
• 1:07:58
  improved by Tears of Tears with the kingdom and I'm glad that
• 1:08:02
  they've not done what lots of people say, which is I'll get
• 1:08:05
  rid of the voice actress because that's a slippery slope as well.
• 1:08:11
  And And so I saw it. See, I think they'll just
• 1:08:15
  tolerable. I think she's improved by Tears
• 1:08:18
  of the kingdom, and the accents improved as well, so yeah, it's
• 1:08:24
  there. And it's not intrusive.
• 1:08:26
  So that's how I feel about The Voice work, soundtrack.
• 1:08:30
  What do you think? Yeah, the music's great.
• 1:08:32
  It's, I've mentioned a few times that games often need quiet
• 1:08:39
  time. And because a lot of this game
• 1:08:41
  wrecked, Is you on your own traveling?
• 1:08:45
  Going cross-country climbing mountains.
• 1:08:48
  It will occasionally bring in like a very low backing track.
• 1:08:53
  Usually yeah, no piano. Yeah, I love it.
• 1:08:57
  Yes, it's very relaxing and it's the kind of thing that you could
• 1:09:00
  listen to to unwind and relax which I think you did.
• 1:09:02
  You do don't you with with this the soundtrack.
• 1:09:06
  I've not really not a lot because Son, some games, some
• 1:09:10
  games are do. Let's go and listen to some
• 1:09:12
  games. I like to keep in the game
• 1:09:15
  because it makes you appreciate it more when you're actually
• 1:09:17
  playing it and this is one of those.
• 1:09:20
  Yeah, yeah, that that that's that's fair enough.
• 1:09:24
  And, you know, this, the Zelda series has some very, very
• 1:09:29
  famous music in it. You know, you think to Ocarina
• 1:09:34
  of Time with all of the Ocarina Tunes, so many people know those
• 1:09:39
  those, when I think of some of the best music in the Zelda
• 1:09:42
  series, I think of the Clock Town Theme from Majora's Mask,
• 1:09:47
  especially on increments of the day's passing particular on the
• 1:09:50
  third day, when it's all Manic and crazy and then the final 24
• 1:09:54
  hours, it just suits and breadth of the wild doesn't really have
• 1:10:01
  anything like that in the game, but all of the music that it
• 1:10:04
  does have within the game and within the cutscenes, within the
• 1:10:07
  exploration and the background Sit perfectly and it fits it
• 1:10:10
  perfectly. It doesn't need memorable.
• 1:10:15
  You know, tunes that are going to work to have the same midi.
• 1:10:20
  No, I mean, it's not a career at a time but it wouldn't work to
• 1:10:22
  have the same midi track playing on.
• 1:10:24
  Repeat no. The 155 hours that you're
• 1:10:27
  playing you but be driven. There are definitely parts of
• 1:10:32
  this game. That have little nods to the
• 1:10:34
  older games. Like when you go up to the top
• 1:10:36
  of the tower and you're extracting, the data for The
• 1:10:39
  region. The music that plays is
• 1:10:42
  doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo did, which is the sound of when
• 1:10:48
  you're opening a chest in Ocarina of Time there are, there
• 1:10:52
  are nods to older games in the series that aren't intrusive
• 1:10:56
  again. And it does it well, and I think
• 1:10:59
  that's exactly what this kind of game needs.
• 1:11:00
  Because, like, I say, it is, it is a Zelda game, but it feels
• 1:11:04
  like it's it's own thing and I've not played tears of the
• 1:11:07
  kingdom and I've not really Much footage on it, I had funnily
• 1:11:11
  enough, I went into that very cold, deliberately in a way
• 1:11:15
  because, yeah, I felt like I knew what I hoped it would be
• 1:11:20
  and I didn't need anything to kind of paint my view of it.
• 1:11:22
  So I just wanted to go in cold and experience it for.
• 1:11:25
  What is the feeling that I get with, with breadth of the world
• 1:11:28
  and with maybe route ears of the Kingdom?
• 1:11:30
  I don't know, is that Nintendo are taking Zelda and a new
• 1:11:35
  Direction, and it's got its nods to The past and its history, but
• 1:11:42
  soda is becoming a different thing now.
• 1:11:45
  And I think that that gets shown in the music and to be fair,
• 1:11:51
  it's something I'm fine with from what I understand is that
• 1:11:53
  the kingdom does bring things like Dungeons back, I think.
• 1:11:56
  But, and that's something I'm not, you know, excited to
• 1:12:00
  experience. Because my great with these
• 1:12:02
  early games is the dungeons. I'd never really enjoyed them
• 1:12:05
  buttons, are they do the spin of it, because I know that they do.
• 1:12:09
  I've heard that too, but I've not experienced it yet.
• 1:12:13
  So it could be what I love about the possibilities of Tears.
• 1:12:18
  Of the kingdom are number one, refining, breath of the wild
• 1:12:21
  refining that core game and there are refinements to be
• 1:12:24
  made, but also experimental Nintendo is one of the most
• 1:12:30
  exciting things and I want to see what those dungeons look
• 1:12:34
  like. And if they do, look the same,
• 1:12:35
  or if they are something quite different.
• 1:12:38
  Yeah. That's exciting to me.
• 1:12:40
  You said the same about Sony as well.
• 1:12:43
  You like it when Sony's being experimental I love it.
• 1:12:46
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:12:47
  PS3 Sony yes. Exactly.
• 1:12:50
  Sony that hasn't been around for a long time.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah, I hope to see you again. Do you have a favorite piece of
• 1:12:59
  music? I don't know what it's called
• 1:13:05
  but it's it's a piece of piano music and it's kind of very slow
• 1:13:11
  and it goes Durden do now and then there's a very high kind of
• 1:13:17
  octave did it. It's just it's background
• 1:13:20
  iconic. I can't explain it, I can't do
• 1:13:22
  it. I'll send it to you after.
• 1:13:25
  Yeah. But yeah that that stands out
• 1:13:29
  for me. What about you I love you have
• 1:13:34
  heard it once when you entire all cars, then Hyrule Castle to
• 1:13:37
  pick up the yeah the memory. I love the Hyrule castle theme
• 1:13:44
  when you're about to do Ganon and you're working your way
• 1:13:48
  through Hyrule Castle, which is quite a long section.
• 1:13:50
  Yeah, it's epic. It especially, especially for me
• 1:13:56
  who had been playing for ya, so long, she hundreds of hours and
• 1:14:01
  I got to this point and I was finally there and is such a
• 1:14:06
  great piece and there are queues from Link's Awakening.
• 1:14:10
  The Ballad of the wind fish in there.
• 1:14:13
  Yeah and I think there are queues from Link to the Past as
• 1:14:15
  well in there and it's just such a good piece of music and there
• 1:14:21
  are some other really great pieces here.
• 1:14:22
  There's the there's the return of dragon Roost island in the
• 1:14:29
  wind section with the birds the bird people router.
• 1:14:32
  I think they call. Yeah, I like them.
• 1:14:33
  That's my Race of characters in the Zelda series, I don't want
• 1:14:39
  the gorons and there's Aura but I really like the Ruto. yeah, so
• 1:14:46
  I really love that piece and you've already touched on the
• 1:14:50
  other point that I had, which was the silence and I think,
• 1:14:54
  This, this score, the score to this game again, really feeds
• 1:15:01
  into that sense of adventure. Yeah, that sense of exploration.
• 1:15:05
  Whoever composed, this music must have played the game and
• 1:15:10
  just felt I don't know. I just felt that this music fit
• 1:15:14
  and it really does. Okay, onto another very strong
• 1:15:20
  point the visuals. Let's talk about those It's kind
• 1:15:25
  of similar to Wind Waker, isn't it?
• 1:15:27
  It's got like a kind of cel-shaded effect to it, which I
• 1:15:31
  think works in its favor because same is Windwaker.
• 1:15:34
  It doesn't really aged no. And you know, the problem that
• 1:15:37
  you've got with Ocarina of Time with Twilight Princess in
• 1:15:41
  particular, actually, as I think they look very much defined by
• 1:15:44
  the generation that they came out in.
• 1:15:47
  Yeah. And breath the wild doesn't and
• 1:15:49
  it's the same four tiers of the Kingdom.
• 1:15:50
  I think, because it's the same artstyle, the It really suits
• 1:15:56
  the environment and the kind of game that it is.
• 1:15:59
  But yeah the the visuals on this game are a superb and it's got
• 1:16:05
  you know very what's what are used in sweat it's very pastels
• 1:16:10
  watercolor pastels that you know like pastel paintings.
• 1:16:15
  It reminds me of that but what color as well definitely.
• 1:16:18
  That's yeah those sort of I don't know how you describe it.
• 1:16:23
  Those painterly vibes and they're not, they're not bright
• 1:16:27
  colors, but they're, but they're pretty.
• 1:16:30
  And it's just very pretty, isn't it?
• 1:16:32
  Yeah, it is. It's a very good looking game.
• 1:16:36
  There are issues in terms of the framerate occasionally.
• 1:16:39
  Yeah, only one how much is going on on-screen particularly, when
• 1:16:42
  you go into the Kokiri Forest frame rate tax and I've heard
• 1:16:48
  that on the Wii U, the framerate is particularly bad.
• 1:16:52
  So it might be a bit of a victim of its own art style, but it
• 1:16:56
  does look incredibly appealing. This is, I know, it's not
• 1:17:02
  realistic grass, but I think it's probably my favorite
• 1:17:04
  looking grass in gaming. Yeah, just looks like I want to
• 1:17:09
  run around in it and I think that again adds to that sense of
• 1:17:12
  play as that sense of adventure and I've heard that this is what
• 1:17:19
  Miyamoto wanted for this Zelda game.
• 1:17:22
  That sense of play. And I feel like they've achieved
• 1:17:25
  that with that with so many aspects of it, the word I'd use
• 1:17:29
  for it is light. Yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Not not just lighters in like light and darkness but it just
• 1:17:36
  feels very light and weightless maybe left.
• 1:17:41
  Mmm. Yeah, okay.
• 1:17:46
  On to our question of the week. I don't know if you saw the
• 1:17:50
  trailer to the, like I've mentioned the trailer before the
• 1:17:52
  final trailer snow game. But what I want to ask is a
• 1:17:56
  fantastic Trader in it and it is so I would recommend watching it
• 1:18:00
  because it's so well, put together, the music is
• 1:18:03
  outstanding and the way it drops, and it makes you want to
• 1:18:08
  jump into this game. I really would recommend it.
• 1:18:12
  So what makes a good trailer for a game for you?
• 1:18:20
  yeah, I'm not sure about the one fish looks like I said, I've not
• 1:18:23
  seen it but when I think of good trailers I immediately think of
• 1:18:28
  the trailer for GTA V. I remember when that trailer
• 1:18:33
  dropped and it was so good and it was the the intro intro to
• 1:18:40
  the trailer where Michael, I think Mike was, is something
• 1:18:43
  like what made me move here? I think it was the weather, and
• 1:18:48
  it just gives you an overview of Los Santos and shows you all the
• 1:18:52
  things that you're going to be able to do.
• 1:18:53
  And I think a good game trailer. Same as a good movie trailer, is
• 1:18:59
  it will reel you in and give you.
• 1:19:01
  You a tease of what you can expect to happen but it doesn't
• 1:19:05
  give away too much. Yeah.
• 1:19:06
  And there are a lot of films that have trailers where you
• 1:19:10
  could just say. Well, I've pretty much seen the
• 1:19:12
  film. Now, after you've watched the
• 1:19:13
  trailer, so many Traders do that.
• 1:19:15
  Now, it's only and I always think the trailer that maybe
• 1:19:20
  less is more. Yeah.
• 1:19:22
  Don't give away your best moments in the trailer.
• 1:19:24
  Yeah, and I also think of the introduction to the trailer to
• 1:19:31
  the force awakens and obviously that was very highly anticipated
• 1:19:36
  because it was the first Star Wars film in 10 years but It was
• 1:19:42
  just very simple, the first half.
• 1:19:45
  Anyway, it was very simple and very reeled in and kind of
• 1:19:50
  restrained and it worked perfectly and I think that's
• 1:19:54
  what I like to see from a trailer but the same time.
• 1:19:58
  You know, they've just really revealed that there's going to
• 1:20:01
  be a remake of mgs3 and or remaster, I don't know what
• 1:20:05
  they're doing with Excel. Not really releasing much
• 1:20:07
  information, but remake the, the Taylor for that again, quite
• 1:20:13
  simple. It was just like some overview
• 1:20:15
  of some jungle snake in a crocodile fighting and then Big
• 1:20:20
  Boss kind of moving forward from a Shadows but again simple
• 1:20:25
  understated but I didn't think much of it.
• 1:20:29
  So, okay, I'm not sure but maybe maybe it was a beloved game for
• 1:20:34
  both of us. Yeah.
• 1:20:35
  But I think that's probably a lot of it.
• 1:20:38
  Yeah. Yeah, understated and not giving
• 1:20:41
  too much. Which away I think is the best
• 1:20:43
  way to do a trailer in my opinion. yeah, and when I first
• 1:20:50
  saw that soda trailer and it's something says something along
• 1:20:54
  the lines of find out what happened 100 years ago.
• 1:20:59
  You think baby and it doesn't inside it really do this.
• 1:21:03
  You think maybe they're going to tell you tell a different story
• 1:21:08
  about Zelda. And this is why I love Majora's
• 1:21:10
  Mask because I love the fact that it was such a fresh
• 1:21:13
  different story, different take on the Zelda series.
• 1:21:18
  So that that kind of teases it, but you don't quite get that in
• 1:21:21
  the final game, which is a disappointment for me.
• 1:21:25
  But other other, I mentioned this during the silent.
• 1:21:28
  R2 Episode. I love the trailer for that game
• 1:21:32
  and I love the trade, the some of the Traders for Metal Gear
• 1:21:35
  Solid 2. I think they were fantastic and
• 1:21:40
  Yeah, it's making you compelled to play something.
• 1:21:48
  By giving you those tidbits and giving you those Snippets and
• 1:21:52
  trying to make you compelled to want to find out what happens
• 1:21:56
  around them. And I agree with you having
• 1:21:59
  having an understated trailer that makes you want to dive into
• 1:22:05
  the world. That shows you rather than tells
• 1:22:07
  you that's a good. You know though I like I'm a
• 1:22:11
  hypocrite because I say all this like this is what makes a good
• 1:22:14
  trailer but probably my favorite video game trailer that I've
• 1:22:17
  ever seen is the one for Assassin's Creed Unity where
• 1:22:22
  it's effectively. I think it's three or four
• 1:22:25
  assassins jumping over the rooftops in Paris with a cover
• 1:22:30
  of Everybody Wants to Rule the World.
• 1:22:32
  I think it's done by maybe Lord and Like it's just epic and it's
• 1:22:39
  a bombastic and it's ridiculous and it's probably my favorite
• 1:22:43
  game trailer ever seen. Even though it's the complete
• 1:22:45
  opposite of what I just said makes a good trailer.
• 1:22:47
  So you know maybe I don't have an answer for you.
• 1:22:51
  This that that. Did you like the Fallout 76
• 1:22:55
  trailer with Take Me Home Country Roads?
• 1:22:58
  Yeah I thought it was. All right I've heard the game
• 1:23:00
  was a pretty good trade as a shame the game.
• 1:23:02
  So yeah, yeah the trailer for now was house party.
• 1:23:07
  Oh yes, I was wondering when our good friend, mr.
• 1:23:11
  Blobby would be coming up. I had heard that there is
• 1:23:14
  actually a fifth Divine beast and if you don't actually use a
• 1:23:19
  fifth divided based in the DLC hoser.
• 1:23:22
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:22
  And as mr. Blobby the, the Boston I'm
• 1:23:25
  assuming he is he's the final boss actually with our good
• 1:23:30
  friend penguin and Postman Pat Mason and yes Postman Pat of
• 1:23:36
  course, I'm environments. Of course.
• 1:23:38
  Yeah, exactly. I've got, I've got a new
• 1:23:43
  question and it may be one that we carry forward to other
• 1:23:46
  episodes. Describe breath of the wild in
• 1:23:50
  one word. I'm not going to use the same
• 1:23:54
  word that Matthew mitosis used, which was Freedom.
• 1:23:58
  Although that was the first word that came to mind, I suppose, I
• 1:24:01
  would say, hmm. Ally.
• 1:24:11
  Okay. I like that.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah. Why the world just feels alive?
• 1:24:15
  And it feels like if you're not there things are going to
• 1:24:17
  continue happening around without you having an impact on
• 1:24:21
  the world. So I'm going to say alive.
• 1:24:23
  What would you say? It's a great one.
• 1:24:25
  Yeah, like that. the word I keep coming back to the
• 1:24:31
  personification of this world for me is Adventure.
• 1:24:35
  And when I think of Adventure and what this game makes me feel
• 1:24:41
  This game. And I'm going to save that for
• 1:24:44
  the conclusion actually because that's a good point.
• 1:24:48
  So when you're a kid, And I don't know you.
• 1:24:55
  We used to play outside with and this is what me and motor based
• 1:24:58
  the original game on. Isn't it from when he was a
• 1:25:00
  child? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:25:01
  And you, you might Do like a fancy thing.
• 1:25:06
  Where your characters from a we did that and this game feels
• 1:25:11
  like the game version of that in the very best way, it feels like
• 1:25:17
  a create your own adventure and that's why the keyword for me is
• 1:25:22
  a venture and we're going to go straight from that into our
• 1:25:25
  conclusions, does breath of the wild at number 9 on the
• 1:25:32
  Metacritic. Top 100 deserve to be on the
• 1:25:35
  list. Yes, it deserves to be in the
• 1:25:38
  list and I think it's in the right location. ocean, there are
• 1:25:45
  I think there is an over. What's the word I'm looking for
• 1:25:52
  and oversubscription of the Zelda games in the top 100 list?
• 1:25:56
  Yeah, there's probably too many in there.
• 1:25:58
  Yeah. But I think at the end of every
• 1:25:59
  Zelda game that we've talked about, I think I've probably
• 1:26:01
  said maybe bar one that I think it deserves to be there but we I
• 1:26:06
  think outside. So the two that we have had
• 1:26:10
  discourse on. I think I both Wind Waker
• 1:26:12
  toilets while success. Yeah.
• 1:26:15
  And maybe maybe a link to the past as well.
• 1:26:18
  I think. This game deserves to be here,
• 1:26:21
  and I'd say, I'd probably argue that it deserves to be here,
• 1:26:25
  over the others. I'm similar to you in that.
• 1:26:30
  I really liked this game but I also really like Majora's Mask
• 1:26:33
  whereas for you. So different, aren't they?
• 1:26:36
  Yeah. And I realize the conversation
• 1:26:38
  for you isn't just, I like Majora's Mask are like breath
• 1:26:41
  the wild. They're kind of tied on a for
• 1:26:44
  your favorite game of all time. Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  So I'll get into that a bit maybe.
• 1:26:50
  Be in in a bit. Yeah, but I can't decide if you
• 1:26:55
  accident only choose one, whether it be a Majora's Mask,
• 1:26:57
  or breath of the Wild on this list because I enjoy the themes
• 1:27:01
  and the look and the vibe of Majora's Mask a lot more.
• 1:27:05
  But I prefer the gameplay, the freedom and the lack of dungeons
• 1:27:09
  in this game more than Majora's Mask other than the weapon
• 1:27:13
  degradation. But yeah, this game deserves to
• 1:27:17
  be here and I think that is rightfully in the top.
• 1:27:20
  Then what do you have to say? When I hope a lot of to say it.
• 1:27:27
  So I'm just going to try and structure it so that I'm not
• 1:27:29
  blathering when I finish this game.
• 1:27:34
  I adored almost every element of this game, almost every element.
• 1:27:40
  The one thing that still feels stale to me.
• 1:27:45
  Is the setting and not not the world, I think it's brilliant
• 1:27:51
  but just we've seen higher rule, we seen the gorons and Death
• 1:27:56
  Mountain. We've seen the Zoras and Zoras
• 1:27:58
  Domain. We've got, we've got the desert
• 1:28:00
  and we've got the route owes their which is there.
• 1:28:02
  Nice additions and they were my favorite areas to explore in the
• 1:28:07
  game. Yeah, because they felt
• 1:28:09
  different. They felt you had not been there
• 1:28:10
  before. I wanted to see.
• 1:28:18
  This game play. This systemic nature of the
• 1:28:23
  world. This very beautiful world but in
• 1:28:28
  a different place I wanted to see the Majora's Mask of breath
• 1:28:32
  of the wild. I'm hoping that's what is our
• 1:28:35
  the kingdom is. But I'm also a bit skeptical
• 1:28:39
  because I feel like, All the elements are lined with Majora's
• 1:28:45
  Mask to make it what it was. And let's not forget.
• 1:28:48
  It had to, I think they're two directors, I think it was IGN
• 1:28:52
  Uma and also can't think of his name.
• 1:28:57
  Oh, so koizumi. Can't think it is.
• 1:29:02
  I'm not sure that's the last name.
• 1:29:04
  But yeah, so so koizumi. Who's now?
• 1:29:10
  I think he's on the Mario series.
• 1:29:11
  I think is very heavily involved in the Mario series, and that
• 1:29:14
  was his one's older game and he he brought the elements, he
• 1:29:17
  brought the dark elements to Majora's Mask.
• 1:29:19
  He bought the moon. He was the one who had that sort
• 1:29:23
  of existential dream of the Moon crashing into the Earth, and
• 1:29:28
  that's what spawned Majora's Mask, as a concept.
• 1:29:30
  Those were his Diaz and the interesting elements to Majora's
• 1:29:35
  Mask. A lot of them came from him.
• 1:29:37
  Yeah. And I would love to see the
• 1:29:41
  Majora's Mask to breath of the Wilds Ocarina of Time to see
• 1:29:47
  what that looks like a lot of the same stuff.
• 1:29:52
  But in that dark setting going down a dark path.
• 1:29:55
  Get rid of Zelda, get rid of Hyrule, get rid of Gannon, I
• 1:29:59
  don't want to see them again. I've seen enough of them.
• 1:30:03
  So that was one thing that I did come away thinking to me
• 1:30:07
  imagining what that game could be was a big thing.
• 1:30:10
  That being said let's not take anything away from what breath
• 1:30:13
  of the world is for me. when I played this game, it was A
• 1:30:21
  reminder of what games could be. It was a reminder that when I
• 1:30:26
  played this, I was 27 2017, I was 27 and it was a reminder
• 1:30:33
  that games. Can still take you back to your
• 1:30:35
  childhood. It was that sense of play and
• 1:30:40
  That was nice. I didn't think I'd ever get that
• 1:30:43
  again from a game and this game gave that to me.
• 1:30:47
  So it is a very special time for me, it was a game that when I
• 1:30:50
  wasn't playing and I think I've mentioned, I've used this
• 1:30:53
  description before when I wasn't playing this game, I was
• 1:30:56
  thinking about it. I was thinking about what I was
• 1:30:58
  going to do. Yeah, I was going to go next and
• 1:31:01
  games that can get their claws in.
• 1:31:03
  You like that are few and far between it's a very special
• 1:31:07
  game. Those combined combined elements
• 1:31:11
  of The game play. That Wilderness that is the
• 1:31:19
  world and the hostility of that and the systems at play.
• 1:31:25
  It's a, it's a really great blend.
• 1:31:28
  And one thing I wanted to mention, I thought I was nearly,
• 1:31:32
  I must have been about 130 140 hours in.
• 1:31:36
  I had covered a vast, majority of the map and I was probably
• 1:31:40
  searching for shrines. Yeah.
• 1:31:42
  And I had down, I believe it's the east side of the map, near
• 1:31:48
  the bottom and I discovered A village that I'd never seen
• 1:31:55
  before that, I had never seen any footage and it was its own
• 1:32:00
  unique thing. It had its own creatures there
• 1:32:03
  that you don't really see elsewhere, and it had its own
• 1:32:06
  side quests and people to talk to it was called rural rural in
• 1:32:10
  village and to me that just summarized breath of the wild,
• 1:32:15
  you've got this Village that no one references, that you
• 1:32:18
  wouldn't know, was there, unless you kind of gone out of your way
• 1:32:21
  to look for it. Yeah.
• 1:32:22
  Well, you come across it, and There are so few games that.
• 1:32:32
  Could resist not telling you about this Village.
• 1:32:37
  Say it was someone referencing it somewhere, but this Village
• 1:32:40
  is just sitting in isolation down there and that to me was
• 1:32:45
  just like when you saw the Dragon I was like what else can
• 1:32:50
  this game offer? And then it does that.
• 1:32:52
  And yeah every time you think you've seen everything it has do
• 1:32:56
  something else, it pulls back the curtain a little bit more
• 1:32:59
  and you see something else. This game felt very, very, very
• 1:33:02
  fresh in 2017. Even after a lot of games have
• 1:33:06
  tried to borrow things from imitate it, copy certain
• 1:33:09
  aspects. It still feels fresh.
• 1:33:11
  Yeah. And that's a great compliment.
• 1:33:15
  He deserves to be on the list, it deserves to be in the top 10.
• 1:33:20
  Now, I think today and this may change, I do.
• 1:33:25
  It's always a bit backwards and forwards today.
• 1:33:28
  I still think Majora's Mask is my favorite game and I think I
• 1:33:34
  enjoyed that even more than the last time we played it.
• 1:33:37
  Yeah, so yeah, I think that's still my favorite game but
• 1:33:42
  breath of the wild is that they're duking with it and to me
• 1:33:45
  it's probably. Well, it is its top five in my
• 1:33:48
  favorite games. So, it does deserve Have to be
• 1:33:50
  there. And it was it was really fun.
• 1:33:53
  Talking about it as well. I mean, the game that you can
• 1:33:55
  spend an hour and 34 minutes quite easily talking about.
• 1:33:59
  That's not many games that we've come across.
• 1:34:02
  Yes, flow. Yeah, let's wrap it up.
• 1:34:06
  Let's go home. All right, oh what we got?
• 1:34:11
  What we got coming up next time on the list so I remember.
• 1:34:14
  So this is a we got a special episode coming up.
• 1:34:16
  Next time, haven't we? Yeah, L.
• 1:34:20
  Yeah, you do have all the details.
• 1:34:23
  Okay. Next time we talked about this a
• 1:34:26
  few times. We've talked about an episode
• 1:34:28
  where we're going to look at individual genres.
• 1:34:34
  For example fighting racing Sports and we're going to
• 1:34:40
  briefly assess the games on the list within those genres and
• 1:34:44
  each pick a game that we think is the winner is the champion of
• 1:34:49
  that genre. So we'll set our genres and
• 1:34:52
  we'll both pick a champion and it's just our way of.
• 1:34:57
  We always have the question of our.
• 1:34:59
  What's the best adventure game on the list?
• 1:35:01
  Was the get best fighting game of those?
• 1:35:02
  We've had that one. I'm quite a few times, but this
• 1:35:05
  is an opportunity for us to actually say definitively what
• 1:35:09
  we think and although Champions. Yeah.
• 1:35:12
  And although we've done over 100 games, now breath of the wild is
• 1:35:17
  the 99th game from the original top, 100.
• 1:35:21
  So we've pretty much done them all.
• 1:35:23
  Now, bar one being Half-Life Alex, because technical
• 1:35:27
  limitations, which is it's only thing anyway, because it's VR.
• 1:35:30
  Yeah, yeah. So, You know, we've we've pretty
• 1:35:37
  much done the task that we started in February 20 20.
• 1:35:44
  So even though we've done both the ranking episodes and there
• 1:35:47
  will be another ranking episode after we've done all of the
• 1:35:49
  additional games that were added into the list as well as maybe
• 1:35:52
  the the other critic list that we're doing.
• 1:35:55
  Yeah, open wide open critic. But yeah, it's kind of coming to
• 1:36:01
  an end for our original list. Now, there are still a few games
• 1:36:03
  that have been added into the Metacritic that we still need to
• 1:36:07
  do. We've got the house in fata
• 1:36:09
  Morgana. We've got God of all Ragnarok.
• 1:36:14
  Ordering, Alden, ring and Street Fighter 6.
• 1:36:19
  That's just appeared. Yes, but that also, I think is
• 1:36:21
  on the open critic, isn't it? I'm sure I may be, but we'll
• 1:36:27
  have a look and maybe because otherwise we're just going to be
• 1:36:29
  adding to them forever. Ever.
• 1:36:30
  So I'll tears are the kingdom, of course.
• 1:36:32
  Here's the Kingdom. So I think we're gonna have to
• 1:36:34
  draw a line at some point finish.
• 1:36:36
  That will be the closure of the first chapter.
• 1:36:38
  Yes. Cost.
• 1:36:39
  Then. We're going on to our own games,
• 1:36:41
  which we've been excited to do for quite a while.
• 1:36:44
  So yeah that will be next week but in the meantime gets on
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• 1:37:00
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• 1:37:05
  cake Message in a Bottle. Yes so yeah that's everything
• 1:37:11
  from from us for today. Is there anything else that
• 1:37:14
  you'd like to add? No, it's a good one.
• 1:37:18
  Well Droid that very good. We'll see you next week then for
• 1:37:22
  weird episode but until then yeah Cheerio goodbye.
• 1:37:26
  See you on the next one.