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Red and Blue: Jonathan Tavernari on Dybantsa's first triple double, Shouldn't he be the No. 1 pick (?), Big 12 play next week + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you something I keep hearing stuff about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, potential number one pick aj debonsa likely top pick.
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  Speaker 2: AJ Debonsa a guy who could eventually be one of
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  Speaker 2: the top picks in the NBA draft aj Debonsa and
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  Speaker 2: when I watch Ada Debonca play, I'm looking at it going,
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  Speaker 2: why are we saying potentially this this dude is going
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  Speaker 2: to be the number one guy? Am I wrong in
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  Speaker 2: that assessment?
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  Speaker 3: So, I, you know, not just sound like a complete homer.
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  Speaker 3: I do understand why people say the same thing about
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  Speaker 3: Kim Boozer. And have you had a chance, Sean to
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  Speaker 3: watch Kim Boozer this season?
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  Speaker 2: I've only watched like eight minutes of Cam Booser, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I get why they say the potential
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  Speaker 3: number one pick because you know, in all fairness, cam
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  Speaker 3: Boozer is playing like a Derek Favors the Marco's cousin
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  Speaker 3: type of player right now in terms of he is efficient,
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  Speaker 3: he is solid in the low post, He's unstoppable.
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  Speaker 4: So I understand why people say.
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  Speaker 3: Potential because you're never going to know how that ping
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  Speaker 3: punk ball drops, right, I get it. And so but
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  Speaker 3: to your point, Sean, you have games last night. You
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  Speaker 3: know I was working that game with you know, our
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  Speaker 3: family of networks, YESPN, And he has a thirty point
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  Speaker 3: triple double with thirty three points, ten rebounds and assists,
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  Speaker 3: and you go like, who in their right mind, you
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  Speaker 3: know who, you know what in the Nico Harrison are
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  Speaker 3: we doing here if not saying that he is the
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  Speaker 3: unanimous number one pick? And so I agree with you, you know,
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  Speaker 3: being present yesterday as all of that unfolded, and you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, to an interesting perspective.
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  Speaker 3: I know we're going to talk a little bit more
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  Speaker 3: on the show about how by you you know, played
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  Speaker 3: Eastern Washington compared to how Utah did.
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  Speaker 5: But the last couple of games AJ has had.
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  Speaker 3: To put BYU in his back almost for them to
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  Speaker 3: win a game.
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  Speaker 4: Against a lesser opponent, but none.
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  Speaker 3: Oftheless seeing him doing it in person and so effortlessly,
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  Speaker 3: it is a sight to see.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about this Eastern Washington team that did
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  Speaker 2: play against Utah and BYU.
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  Speaker 1: They gave more than one hundred points to both teams.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know how many times you is gonna
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  Speaker 2: score one hundred points this season. It's not gonna be
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  Speaker 2: an incredibly common occurrence. BYU looks like they're a little
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  Speaker 2: bit better right now, but I don't I don't see
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  Speaker 2: them scoring one hundred and nine a lot of times
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  Speaker 2: this year, especially this week in the Big Twelve play.
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  Speaker 2: I mean is Eastern Washington just that bad defensively?
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  Speaker 3: So interesting enough, I you know, I think that they
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  Speaker 3: are a team that just runs a lot. Their tempo
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  Speaker 3: is you know, around the one hundred ranking in a country,
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  Speaker 3: which is really really good. And uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's one of those times. You know, I watched
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  Speaker 3: film on the Utah game, and I.
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  Speaker 4: Know that Utah has had, you know, somewhat of.
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  Speaker 3: An odd start to the Alex Jensen era. But it's
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  Speaker 3: me Sean, it felt like one of those times that
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  Speaker 3: you thought just things just clicked, and for Eastern Washington,
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  Speaker 3: things did not click. And so whereas for by you
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  Speaker 3: you know, the offensive power that they have with a J. D. Bonsa,
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  Speaker 3: with Richie Saunders and with Robert Right the third and
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  Speaker 3: then less night, they had a fourth player, which is
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  Speaker 3: Conard Davis Junior. You know a little bit of controversy
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  Speaker 3: surrounding him earlier in the year, but those four players
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  Speaker 3: really stepped up yesterday. And obviously, you know, the you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Three Kings as you know, they're they're about to
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  Speaker 3: be called, you know, the Big Three for BUYU. It's
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  Speaker 3: interesting that a fourth player stepped up and they played
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  Speaker 3: so well, and comparing that to the buy to the
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  Speaker 3: you game, Eastern Washington shot the ball much better against
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  Speaker 3: BYU than they did against Utah, you know, and so
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  Speaker 3: but obviously you know, with you know, the red and
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  Speaker 3: blue going across enemy.
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  Speaker 5: Lines, you know, to the segment.
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  Speaker 3: It is interesting to see the comparisons of like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: how do they play Utah? How do they play BYU?
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  Speaker 3: And I think you're spot on. I think BYU themselves
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  Speaker 3: may not score through you know, one hundred points in
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  Speaker 3: a game in the conference in many times, you know,
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  Speaker 3: out of the eighteen games, I would be surprised if
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  Speaker 3: they get to be a hunter port mark, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, in six of those games.
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  Speaker 5: That's just my honest opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Look, the record for BYU is excellent right now. It
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  Speaker 2: feels like, uh, maybe with rare exception, and perhaps Eastern
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  Speaker 2: Washington is one of those games because like you said,
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  Speaker 2: AJ had to shoulder maybe more of a load than
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  Speaker 2: people are comfortable with. But it looks like this BYU
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  Speaker 2: team is kind of getting what they wanted out of
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  Speaker 2: some of the commits, obviously from AJ getting right to
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  Speaker 2: come in from Baylor. It looks like this roster is
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  Speaker 2: kind of producing the way we thought that it would.
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  Speaker 2: But but now we start to find out right January third,
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  Speaker 2: you get into conference play, is BYU basketball at the
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  Speaker 2: spot they need to be rounding into the Big Twelve,
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  Speaker 2: which I still think is the best conference in college
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  Speaker 2: basketball absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think a lot of a lot, you know,
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  Speaker 3: football is king you and I know that for both
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  Speaker 3: of our schools, you know, and I think there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of talk, you know, surrounding football.
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  Speaker 4: About you guys should have been in and b YU.
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  Speaker 3: And Notre Dame and you know we all hear about
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  Speaker 3: the SEC. Well, Sean, we get to the demintely, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Bragg that the Big Twelve is the SEC of basketball,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, like the SEC of football
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  Speaker 3: for basketball, we get to say that, and so very
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  Speaker 3: interesting enough, I will actually say that I don't think
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  Speaker 3: b y U is where they wanted to be or
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  Speaker 3: that where they hope to be, you know, basketball wise,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as conference play starts, and the Eagle for
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  Speaker 3: that is simple. B YU has had to rely heavily
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  Speaker 3: on their top, on their big three, and simply because
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  Speaker 3: of injury, you know, uh, they was supposed you know,
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  Speaker 3: one of their point guards, Nate was supposed to be uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the main kid off the bench, to be
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  Speaker 3: able to give Robert right the third the transfer for Bailer,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Of rest that's not happening, and he's out for the season.
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  Speaker 5: Then the next man up.
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  Speaker 3: Dawson Baker, a senior, experienced senior who's had to overcome
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  Speaker 3: a lot of trials. He was stepping up, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to a big time road had some really big games
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  Speaker 3: for b y U all the way up to you know,
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  Speaker 3: the game after they played Upon where Dawson came in
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  Speaker 3: and almost helped by U wieled them to win. And
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  Speaker 3: then Dawson has us has a season a season end
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  Speaker 3: injury with an a cl and so I personally don't
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  Speaker 3: think they are where they need to be because sure
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  Speaker 3: you can win, you know, you can win a lot
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  Speaker 3: of games of a Big three. But for this BYU
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  Speaker 3: team to achieve the goals that they have, and you know, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: if they don't make to the sweet sixty, I think
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  Speaker 3: this season is a failure. I know it's crazy to hear,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, in this day and age of NIL,
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  Speaker 3: how the roster has been constructed and the expectation around
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  Speaker 3: the players and the caliber of the players.
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  Speaker 5: Especially now that they even added a.
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  Speaker 3: G League player in Abdullah and so you know, to me,
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  Speaker 3: this BYU team needs at least another one consistent player
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  Speaker 3: to be able to you know, to have and reach
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  Speaker 3: the heights that they're hoping to reach.
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  Speaker 2: Last year, Richie Saunders was the guy that had to
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  Speaker 2: do a lot of heavy lifting, and it that's been
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  Speaker 2: spread out right now. Aj is sort of the main
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  Speaker 2: driver with the scoring. Rob Wright is more than capable.
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  Speaker 2: Is Richie Saunders in an appropriate level of emphasis, in
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  Speaker 2: an appropriate role in this BYU season for you?
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  Speaker 3: You know what's crazy, Sean is is you know all
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  Speaker 3: of the things that you just shared about Richie and
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  Speaker 3: all of the accolades that he had last year, you know,
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  Speaker 3: first Team All Big Twelve, you know, a borderline All
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  Speaker 3: American in the conversation for Player of the Year. His
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  Speaker 3: numbers are better this year. That's what's scary about this
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  Speaker 3: VYU team, right in a good way, in a bad way,
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  Speaker 3: in a good way because here you have Ajd Bonsa,
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  Speaker 3: who is second in the country in scoring, had you know,
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  Speaker 3: the youngest player ever in NCAA history to have a
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  Speaker 3: thirty point triple double, breaking all of these records setting
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  Speaker 3: the bar so high.
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  Speaker 5: And nonetheless, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know Richie is still better than he was last year.
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  Speaker 5: Now.
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  Speaker 3: The reason why I say that this is incredibly you
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  Speaker 3: know this is you know scary good and scary bad.
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  Speaker 3: Is you know that I just shared the good the
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  Speaker 3: bed is if one of those guys go down, Sean,
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  Speaker 3: the conversation that you and I will be having you
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  Speaker 3: will be extremely different. You know, it is going to
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  Speaker 3: be a you know, a near one eighty experience for
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  Speaker 3: the b YU team. That's how heavily they trust.
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  Speaker 4: On you know, their well, not trust, but that they.
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  Speaker 3: Are counting on on those guys to make it happen
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  Speaker 3: now and so but you know, a player like Richie Saunders,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's it's a conversation that it's even worth having.
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  Speaker 3: And I won't go too much into football because you
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  Speaker 3: probably know more about soccer show than I know about football.
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  Speaker 3: And and and I will say this, you know Tom
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  Speaker 3: Brady has hinted about this, and we're seeing with with
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  Speaker 3: Philip Rivers being you know, having the time to develop,
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  Speaker 3: having the experience, you know, having the opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: To slowly grow into a row.
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  Speaker 3: Where wrenessing that with our own eyes with Richie Saunders, right,
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  Speaker 3: and and in this day and age of nil where
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  Speaker 3: you can start at a Division three, you can move
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  Speaker 3: through Division one, you can move to a North Carolina
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  Speaker 3: or a Duke just and continuously to make more money.
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  Speaker 4: You know that.
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  Speaker 3: Development is going away of understanding the program, of understanding.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, you know, I'm staying here.
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  Speaker 3: I know how the coach works, I know how the
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  Speaker 3: offense works, I know how my environment works. It's one
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  Speaker 3: of the reasons that made the majeris ear so special
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  Speaker 3: that you know, there was that continuation, there was that process.
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  Speaker 3: And so to me, Richie Saunders is a big time
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  Speaker 3: by product of you know, one of the last you
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  Speaker 3: know Mohicans to go through college for the four years
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  Speaker 3: and staying at the same place.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is.
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  Speaker 2: I mean half of me applauds the idea that you
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  Speaker 2: can climb the ladder if you were under recruited out
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  Speaker 2: of high school or wherever, and you're better than the
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  Speaker 2: level that you're competing at.
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  Speaker 1: I love that guys can move up.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I also took advantage of the fact that you
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  Speaker 2: could move down if you needed to. I had to
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  Speaker 2: do that in my career, but I don't love what
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about. And I echo the sentiment of I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of people now that you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to go through any kind of crucible, any development. You
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  Speaker 2: don't you don't have to learn the systems the way
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  Speaker 2: that you used to, and that I think that's to
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  Speaker 2: the detriment of the sport in a lot of cases.
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  Speaker 2: Individual teams benefit from it, certainly, but I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that it makes the sport better.
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  Speaker 3: And to you and to this point that you're going,
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  Speaker 3: you're one hundred percent right, and we're totally aligned on this.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, look at Anny Hardaway.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw just on the news
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  Speaker 3: that Anny Hardaway is now finding players, you know.
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  Speaker 5: For breaking team rules, for being.
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  Speaker 4: Late, for missing practice, and you know.
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  Speaker 3: The concept of college athletics has changed so drastically.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I've always been.
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  Speaker 3: In favor of paying players, you know, and in full transpiracy.
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  Speaker 3: I am not one of those guys that you know, says, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'm jealous that I didn't get to play in an
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  Speaker 3: era that based players.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely not, because I became who I.
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  Speaker 3: Am because of the hardships and trials I had to
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  Speaker 3: overcome a YU and you know, like at a certain
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  Speaker 3: point where I had a million dollar contract offer to
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  Speaker 3: leave early and I decided to come back, and I
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  Speaker 3: was able to write my name on a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the record books at UYU. And it's just such a
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  Speaker 3: different situation now. And you know, I don't know where
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  Speaker 3: your thoughts are, but to me, it is it wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be complicated to attach changing the business in the model
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  Speaker 3: of NIL and attach it to education. I mean, is
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  Speaker 3: this a collegiate league or is it a semi pro league?
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  Speaker 3: Because if you know, like just for a second shot,
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  Speaker 3: I know we're going a little bit too long here,
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  Speaker 3: but can you imagine if aj debondser today would not
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  Speaker 3: pass a class and he would be rooted ineligible for BYU.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine what would happen? Like it's it seems
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  Speaker 3: infendable that someone that's getting five six, seven million dollars
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  Speaker 3: in NIL would potentially miss a game because he didn't
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  Speaker 3: do his homework. I mean, you know, either you continue
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  Speaker 3: with the athletic model around universities in a collegiate level
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  Speaker 3: and you attach NIL somehow to you know, your development
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  Speaker 3: and your improvement, you know of getting grades and passing classes,
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  Speaker 3: or you should the whole thing down because you know today,
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  Speaker 3: the way it is, it's just not working and I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it's a sustainable model.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't disagree with you there, and any suggestion,
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  Speaker 2: any solution I think really could have been implemented over
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  Speaker 2: the twenty or so years that the NCAA tried to
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  Speaker 2: fight it instead of realizing that this was coming and
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  Speaker 2: it was an inevitability. Instead, they were battling, battling, battling lawyers,
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  Speaker 2: were trying to push back on having to pay players,
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  Speaker 2: and they could have spent all that time, energy, money,
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  Speaker 2: effort into putting systems in place that kept college athletics,
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  Speaker 2: like I don't know, looking like college athletics. But instead
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  Speaker 2: they were just trying to hold all the money themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Now where where we're at, and we can't unring the bell.
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  Speaker 2: But that's a that's a topic for an offseason. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get to that another time before I let you go. Uh,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: what does Christmas look like in the Tabernari household? Is
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  Speaker 2: it like, is there a Brazilian flavor on it? Or
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  Speaker 2: have we fully commercialized you into an American Christmas?
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  Speaker 4: Well, so Shanta comes to Brazil on a surfboard.
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  Speaker 5: Riding a wave with a Hawaiian.
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  Speaker 3: Shirt because you know it is one hundred degrees downing
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  Speaker 3: Son Paulo.
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  Speaker 5: Right now, of course, and so and so, you know.
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  Speaker 4: We have a few traditions are where we have a.
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  Speaker 3: Really big Christmas Eve dinner and also a Christmas Day lunch.
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  Speaker 4: That's something that you.
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  Speaker 3: Know Americans will usually do a big Christmas Day lunch Brazilians,
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  Speaker 3: do you know. We've adapted a lot of traditions from
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  Speaker 3: my wife's family, you know, who grew up in Georgia
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  Speaker 3: and moves here to Utah. But one of the things
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  Speaker 3: that I would say, Sean, you know, from being Brazilian
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  Speaker 3: married an American gal, we really miss Italy, you know,
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: for you know, I was there for my career for
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: ten years, and I know you talked to some of
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: the other guys that played overseas. I really miss the
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: little Christmas markets, you know what I mean. And so, uh,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: you know, I can't wait for the lights to be
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: back in all the grin splendor in Salt Lake. Although
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: going to the Grand America it's fun, but you.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Know, we try to corporade a.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: Little bit of everything, and you know, but you know,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: no Hawaiian Christmas shirts in my household anymore.
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: I can tell you that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: All right, JT. Have a merry Christmas.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: The same to you, your family, everyone you're celebrating with.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, sir as always.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: A happy Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy Holidays for everybody.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
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