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Tim Neiman on Podcasting, Coaching, and Life Lessons from Sports · Scene Projects Sports Network

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  Welcome into the Scene Project Sports Network.
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  I am your host Bubba Starts, and with me today is former baseball coach now turned author and
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  podcast host, Tim Nyman.
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  Tim, welcome to the show.
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  Thank you so much for having me, Bob.
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  I'm excited to to be with you.
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  I much appreciate it.
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  Yeah.
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  I can't I can't wait.
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  Obviously, there's gonna be some baseball talk, but there's gonna be a lot more talk about your
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  new podcast, Straight Lines, and everything that you're doing to refire, after your
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  baseball coaching career came to a close recently.
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  So before we get into all that, we'd love to give you a little bit of time here.
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  Give us a little bit of your backstory, and then we'll pick it up from there.
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  Well, thanks.
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  Sounds good.
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  So, I just retired August 4 from, DeSales University where I was a head baseball coach
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  for thirty six years.
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  I started real young.
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  No.
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  Just kidding.
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  But thirty six years, and, it was a it was a great run.
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  It was a great place for, you know, my kids to grow up.
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  It was a great place to, you know, have young people come and learn education and using
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  baseball as a vehicle to their success down the road.
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  So thirty six years, I just thought it was time.
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  Coached in 1,401 games at to sales.
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  I won 868, and you can do the math from fourteen o one.
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  Those are games I wasn't very good in.
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  So the kids play.
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  They win.
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  I, you know, I just try not to get in the way.
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  But it was a lot of fun.
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  It was great.
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  But I just felt it was time and walked away.
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  I had been approached about hosting a podcast, which, you know, I I had a little background.
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  I'm I'm the color analyst for the Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs AAA club.
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  So I I feel like do Sundays and fill in some other days when the two main guys aren't there.
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  So that's a lot of fun.
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  So have a little podcast, a little, I mean, a little experience in front of the camera.
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  But the podcast, I've watched them, listened.
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  I didn't know.
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  Said, sure.
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  Why not?
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  And what do you wanna talk about?
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  I said, well, not really a whole lot of baseball.
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  I mean, I could I could do that all day long.
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  I'm really interested in life lessons and leadership and business and people that might
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  have a story.
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  And I I enjoy that very much.
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  And we got that rolling.
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  I know we're gonna talk more about that.
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  So that's what I've been busy.
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  I I published two books before retirement, and a third one is coming out this October.
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  That is going well.
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  And, you know, I'm just I'm happy.
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  This is the old thought process, and I'm not smart enough to come up with this blah blah
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  blah, you know, something to do, something to look forward to, somebody to love, something to
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  believe in.
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  And if one of those things evaporate or go away, you gotta fill them in pretty quick.
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  So I think I did that.
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  I'm enjoying my time, you know, here in post retirement, but I'm very thankful to DeSales
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  University for those thirty six years.
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  I did spend three years as a pitching coach at Kutztown University before that and coached
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  American Legion baseball.
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  And also, there was an associate's scale for the Pittsburgh Pirates and Milwaukee Brewers
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  for a little bit of time.
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  So all those things have molded me into, you know, I who I am today, I guess.
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  And each and every one of those stops have had plenty of, learning opportunities and
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  experiences and stories.
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  So kinda thankful I'm here today, and it is what I'm doing.
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  Do you
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  feel like your, you know, vast experience being in front of a a group of young men and coaching
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  that that's prepared you for, you know, this second phase now?
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  I know you just did a a speaking engagement as well and being in front of a camera.
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  Although we're often now, you know, in our you know, in the booth, whether you're calling the
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  game or you're, you know, in your studio there doing your podcast, that you're speaking one to
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  many.
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  And do you feel like that coaching career kind of gave you a lot of the skills that you're
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  using now and made it a pretty easy transition?
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  Yeah.
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  Bubba, I think that's a really good question because I think it has.
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  Not only are you talking to your team, there might be 35 players or 32, whatever, you decide
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  to carry that year.
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  It's not just them.
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  It's also their parents.
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  It's also the alumni.
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  It's also the administration.
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  And there's a lot of people that, you know, kinda rely on the information.
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  I put out a weekly newsletter while I was at the sales called this week in bulldog baseball
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  after this week in baseball, and I love the song.
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  Right?
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  I forget what it's called.
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  Drawing a blank.
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  I'll come back to gathering storm.
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  That's what it is.
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  The intro to this week in baseball.
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  I'm like, alright.
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  I'll send this out.
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  They I love I love this.
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  So even though you're not speaking directly, you kinda sorta are because they loved it.
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  And I think I think all that definitely has helped me.
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  I think a lot of people can be shy.
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  You know, between the lines, it's, you know, it's 90% of it way back in the day now, so
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  we're kinda fifty fifty.
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  I think you need to be a really good communicator.
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  I think people respect the gen the gen genuineness of it, the intentional part of it,
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  the the authenticity of it all.
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  I think people really respect that, and they learn to trust you and, you know, hence, you
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  start to create a following.
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  And I always said, you know, you've got all these wins.
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  I'm like, well, after 36, you tend to accumulate something.
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  Right?
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  So you accumulate wins on the field, but I think the greater wins are off the field with
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  the kids that have graduated and the impact that you've made.
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  And now I look at it, you know, Bubba as an opportunity to to make an impact on other
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  people telling some of those stories, some of those experiences that there's so many
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  parallels.
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  Right?
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  And you know this from sports into business and the life.
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  And baseball seems to have even more of them.
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  It really is America's past time and certainly biased.
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  But I think it translates so easily from the failures that you experience, you know, as a
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  player and a coach and everything else and how you deal with that and move on from that
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  adversity to make an impact on others.
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  So I'm kinda even personally, I mean, I'm trying to convey those ideas and also in the
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  guests that I've had, have them tell their story too.
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  And a lot of common denominators in in those guests is always kind of a great time.
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  So, a lot of fun.
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  Yeah.
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  And I don't know that there's a a greater sport other than baseball, to really learn those
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  lessons through and to have so many parallels like you said.
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  You know, football can teach you a lot, but because of a shortened season, you don't have
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  the ups and downs necessarily that you do in a full baseball season.
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  And, you know, especially in the major leagues, a 162 games, a lot happens in those six months.
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  Right?
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  So even in the college ranks that you're gonna have ups and downs, and you're gonna have days
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  where you're not your best and and you don't put it up there.
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  And then you're gonna have those days where you are at your best, and you're on top of the
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  world.
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  But it's finding a way to contribute, through all of that.
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  And I think there's a lot of, a lot of times in life that we aren't our best and for whatever
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  reason that may be, but you still have to show up and to perform.
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  And and whether that shows up on the stat sheets or in the win column, is kind of
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  regardless that that you need to continue to show up, you know, mostly for yourself rather
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  than anyone else around you.
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  Oh, that's true.
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  I you've gotta be consistent and you've you've gotta show up.
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  You've gotta you know, one of my guests was Kevin Daley, former Harlem Globetrotters, a
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  captain for ten years with the Globetrotters.
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  Then tremendous guy as a speaker.
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  He's awesome.
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  But I said, Kevin, how do you handle it, you know, throughout the course of the year?
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  Now they're always gonna win.
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  They're always gonna beat the Washington generals.
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  You know?
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  But I said, how do you handle it?
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  Because it is a performance.
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  It's a show.
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  And he said, look.
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  You know, I need to show up every day.
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  He said, because of maybe the first time somebody came to this to this Globetrotters and
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  watched, might have been a birthday present or somebody's seven apart, might have been their
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  first time.
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  And regardless of what I felt, you know, that morning or I woke up and I man, I'm just tired.
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  We traveled twelve hours.
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  I mean, all that plays into it, but could be somebody's very first time.
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  Could be a ten year old in there that never saw the Globetrotters, and you're making that first
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  impression.
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  And he said, also, it could be somebody's last time.
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  And I thought that was impactful as well or, you know, maybe, you know, senior citizen went
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  and, you know, gonna get some smiles that day.
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  And and he Kevin's like, it could be his last time or she.
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  And, you know, I just I felt like, to your point, probably, is to show up and and be
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  responsible and be accountable for whatever you do in life.
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  You have to be.
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  And if you don't, you know, deliver that impression and I had a mentor one time call me
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  managing perception.
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  Yeah.
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  I think that's pretty true.
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  You know?
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  Whether whatever is going on inside or mentally, whatever, this outward perception has
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  to convey itself, you know, to whoever it is you're with and, you know, whoever it is you're
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  trying to impact, it has to come out.
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  Because I think people see that authenticity.
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  They they kinda know, the BS meter goes off sometimes, and I think people know that.
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  And but I think people love peep love others that are genuine, and they can they they trust
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  them.
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  They're believable.
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  And I think that's really important.
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  Yeah.
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  And and especially working, you know, as you did for, you know, three decades plus in the
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  college ranks that you're not just building trust with your players.
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  You're building trust with their parents.
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  Right?
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  And and bringing in new players, prospective players, and and, you know, and and more times,
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  you're probably trying to sell the parents that you're trustworthy and you're going to do the
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  best for their for their boy more so than selling the player.
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  Right?
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  It's easy to take a 17, 18 year old kid to show him a good time for twenty four hours on a
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  campus visit, tell him they're gonna win a bunch of ball games and and have them there.
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  But you have to build that trust with these parents, and I think that makes you uniquely
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  poised now to be very successful in the podcasting world because that's really what it
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  is.
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  And being able to convey that trust with your audience and to grow that over time, It doesn't
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  happen overnight.
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  Now, thankfully, for you, you've, you know, had the wherewithal to be building the newsletter
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  and to be communicating with people for a long time.
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  So a lot of the skills you're using are not new to you at all.
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  It's just a matter of kind of a repackaging of that into the straight lines podcast now.
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  What's been the most, I guess, surprising part for you moving into now the podcasting space
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  and, you know, more so than talking in front of a group or or, you know, a a newsletter, But
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  now being a host and having guests on and becoming an interviewer, what's been some of
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  the surprises, good or bad, or good and bad rather, that that you could share with us?
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  Well, that that's also a good question.
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  I mean, that was a neophyte, you know, when the podcast were, you know, in the apps and the
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  electronic stuff and I mean, I need so one of the pieces of advice I've always given
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  everybody is surround yourself with good people.
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  And I did it in baseball, and I'm doing it doing this stuff so that somebody come in and
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  get me the RODECaster setup and the streamer and just make me look good and tell me what
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  buttons to to press when it's time to go.
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  And so, thankfully, yeah, I've I've been able to continue that, you know, thought process.
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  You're not gonna surround yourself with good people.
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  It's you know, I I people think you turn the camera on and go.
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  Right?
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  You just don't go.
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  As you know, it's you know, you gotta be a little bit prepared, a lot of prepared.
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  You know, I do as you do probably.
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  Know, you've got some questions always asked, kind of a safety net outline I'll send.
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  And, you know, the conversation goes wherever it goes, and I always allow that to happen.
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  At there's sometimes I might have 15 questions and, you know, I might might use two of them.
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  And that's okay.
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  That's really probably better.
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  But you need a you need a safety net just in case somebody stoned you, which doesn't really
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  happen too much.
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  But putting the outline together, doing some bio work, you know, there's there's behind the
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  scenes stuff that you've gotta do.
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  And then when the product's done, you know, it's get it edited and all other stuff.
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  A surprise good for me so far is how well it's taken off.
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  I mean, I'm well beyond my dreams.
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  And I don't know how these numbers are.
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  Again, I let somebody else look at those.
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  But I know from when we launched in mid October to mid February, we reached a quarter million
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  people on all social medias.
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  You kinda combined, you know, YouTube, newsletter, anything.
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  So any social media.
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  So we're getting about 30,000 views on Instagram a month, which is pretty good.
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  So I you know, here's a guy who doesn't know I don't know what I'm doing.
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  Just having fun, and maybe that's why it's done so well.
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  But, I use a service pod status, and it's been in the top 5% of Apple management in six
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  different countries, which is kinda crazy.
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  But in The US, Canada, Germany, interviewed a guy from Bonn, Germany, interviewed a guy from
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  Hamburg, Germany.
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  Then we had Bulgaria getting in.
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  They're all 10 people over there that like me, I guess.
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  I don't even know 10 people in Europe, let alone Bulgaria.
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  And then The Netherlands and Sweden, you know, out of it was crazy.
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  It's just out of the blue, and I think depends on the on the guest and that sort of thing.
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  But what's also interesting is how the world is so connected.
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  It's it's really this big, planet, but we are we are bonded by technology and the Internet
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  and, you know, everything else that's out there.
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  And it becomes a very small world, you know, in a lot of ways.
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  So to be able to reach I'm I'm getting ready to to do a podcast with the French Federation
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  baseball chairman.
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  So he's in France.
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  You know?
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  So I'm gonna do that.
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  Hopefully, goes enough English.
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  I gotta lean in.
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  Then I learned a WhatsApp.
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  I use WhatsApp now because that's what they use in Europe.
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  Okay.
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  I don't know.
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  So whatever.
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  That's been really good.
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  I think some of the on the on the flip side, the technology doesn't work or the mic's not
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  where you want it, not in you really need to have be out in front of that.
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  I've learned that because you just can't flip the mic on and the system on at 09:30, you
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  know, or whenever we're gonna do this.
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  And all of a sudden, there's a malfunction.
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  That that's a problem.
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  I've been fortunate enough to have guests that can really communicate and would go back and
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  forth.
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  I had one former major leaguer home, and he was good.
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  Bobbed in youth baseball.
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  There's a lot of stuff.
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  But I first started out with a bum, I'm like, I'm gonna have to kinda, you know, throw some
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  lifelines in there and kinda get him out of it.
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  I was kind of reserved a little bit, but but good in a good way, just his personality.
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  So now I gotta figure out as this went on, and it didn't take long, maybe five, ten minutes.
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  I got the personality out, find find what it is he, loved, you know, and was really passionate
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  about.
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  And then the rest was piece of cake.
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  So I think I think that can be a challenge if you don't really know the guy real well or or,
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  and then find those things that they like and pull it out.
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  But it's been great.
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  And, as you know, guests start finding you.
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  And I try to put the brakes on it a little bit sometimes because I don't get too far ahead,
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  but, you know, I could easily be as you are, you know, the rest of the year easily.
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  And we do them once a week.
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  But I am gonna do starting in July.
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  July 7 will be the first edition of a a regional edition, if you will.
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  So it's gonna be straight lines Eastern Pennsylvania, and I'm gonna roll it out July 7.
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  The thought is there's so many people that would love to be on a podcast, but they're
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  never gonna get asked.
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  I mean, the the one you do, what I do, they're very national and even global to a little bit
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  of a a sense.
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  But, regionally, there's a lot of population where I'm at, and I'm gonna roll it out because
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  you know, how about the doctor, the restaurant owner, you know, the nurse, you know, whatever
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  profession or anybody with a story that people might be interested in.
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  And I think it'll do pretty well.
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  So not that I needed anything else to do, but, we're gonna roll one of those out once a week
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  also, starting in July.
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  And we'll see what happens with that.
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  I think it could go very well, and I know tons of people here in the Eastern Pennsylvania
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  corridor especially.
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  So we'll see.
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  But you gotta have a you can't be afraid to take a shot, take a chance as you know too, but
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  I mean, you can't you can't sit back and wonder, jeez, I wish I would've.
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  Just do it.
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  And things don't go well.
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  You pivot and move on to something else.
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  That's all.
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  Yeah.
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  Or you pick up, you know, a fourteenth podcast or, you know, I I I just I enjoy the
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  conversations so much, and and that's why I've created as many as we have, you know, because
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  the media world wants you to be, you know, so niche and that's the way that they want content
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  to come out, but I'm not niche.
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  I have varied interests, and I have things in conversations that I want to have that are
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  outside of music.
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  And that's, you know, how the sports network developed.
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  It's how RealBiz, you know, to reach out into the business world and have those conversations
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  developed.
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  And, yeah, like you said, it's easy to get it out there quite a ways, but I just I don't want
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  to stop and limit that.
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  And maybe I will go to a daily eventually.
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  You know, as it sits right now between all the different shows that I'm doing, I do between
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  eight and fourteen shows a week.
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  Right?
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  And now we're starting to branch out into, you know, possibly some coverage with some local
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  baseball teams and and, you know, semi professional or professional or amateur.
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  Like, it just doesn't matter to me.
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  There's stuff out there that needs to be talked about.
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  And whether it's always me or it goes into being someone else's bag down the way, somebody
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  has to start it.
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  And I feel like that's where a lot of people get hung up is in that early going.
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  They know how to have a conversation.
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  They could be taught how to do some certain things, but when it comes down to the branding
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  and the the setup of a Facebook and a YouTube channel and all of these things that people
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  just get completely stalled out on and it and it completely halts that progress.
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  And, you know, for me, because of the experience of creating, I don't know, 25 of
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  them or whatever at this point, that, it's relatively easy for me.
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  Right?
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  I can spend a few hours and get done what it would take someone else, hours just to learn
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  and ride that, you know, curve out into.
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  And whether that becomes something that we do as a service and creating things for other
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  people, we'll see.
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  But I'm just enjoying the moment and having these conversations.
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  And I look at, you know, most of the friends that I have now came from doing the podcast.
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  You know?
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  I was able to kind of cycle in an entire new group a new roster.
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  Right?
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  Cycling over from year to year and, you know, all of these awesome amazing connections that
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  that I've been able to build.
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  And for you, I know that's gonna be something that you really cherish, in this phase of your
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  life is the doors that it's going to open for you and the, you know, the new relationships
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  that you're going to to get to, you know, build with, you know, people that are you know,
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  whether they're in the baseball or sports world or whether it's in your local business economy
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  and putting these people out on their nonprofits, obviously, I have a a penchant for
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  serving those who, like you said, will will never be asked by someone else necessarily to
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  come out and do that.
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  And and there's so many people that deserve that spotlight that, I commend you for for
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  starting this.
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  And I know that Eastern Pennsylvania is just the beginning, of your regional series, and I
• 21:14
  look forward to following straight lines and and everything that you're doing for many years
• 21:19
  to come.
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  You make you make some great points too.
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  Like, I'm a baseball person, and most of these things have evolved out of that, you know,
• 21:28
  relationships.
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  But the most favorite conversations I have are not baseball related.
• 21:33
  You know, I you know, the Kevin Daley, the Carlin Globetrotters, Kristen Sheehan played
• 21:38
  like a champion in South Bend, you know, that was fun.
• 21:42
  Had Tony Iinella, who's the the CEO of the Lehigh Valley Chamber of Commerce.
• 21:47
  It's the sixth largest in the country.
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  And I thought, wow.
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  This is cool.
• 21:51
  I just recorded a guy that's Mike Lynch.
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  He's the pastor of North Star Church in Kennesaw, Georgia.
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  3,000 congregate.
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  I mean, life changing.
• 22:06
  Life changing.
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  And a little baseball here.
• 22:08
  Not much.
• 22:08
  That conversation, not much at all.
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  And I like to learn from the people that have other things going on.
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  You know, Tom Gillespie in Hamburg Hamburg, Germany.
• 22:19
  Yeah.
• 22:19
  He's a he's the international scout director for the pirates.
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  But what he does, he has played global, and they build, you know, fields and little leagues
• 22:29
  and all kinds of stuff in Africa, all over Africa, and other places in the world.
• 22:34
  Like, they were in Ukraine before all that mess started, and they were in Israel before that
• 22:39
  mess started.
• 22:40
  But they go to these kinds of places that aren't exposed to it and built.
• 22:44
  Those are conversations I love.
• 22:46
  I love to hear what people are doing that human story, you know, a human network.
• 22:52
  And, you know, it has opened up extremely a ton of doors.
• 22:56
  And, you know, I think you'll find too, and, know, people are really open to sharing a
• 23:01
  story.
• 23:01
  It's just a matter of something I had worked with a a storyteller in Boston, and he goes
• 23:06
  well, early on.
• 23:07
  It's probably two years ago.
• 23:08
  He goes, you know, coach, you have a warehouse full of stories.
• 23:12
  I just gotta find a way to get them out of you.
• 23:14
  And I think as as host, like you and I do, that's kind of the concept.
• 23:18
  How do I get that story out of them?
• 23:21
  First of all, do I know the story?
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  What is it?
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  And is it compelling?
• 23:24
  And then how can I get that story translated and out to the public?
• 23:29
  And I think that's a good way to go about, you know, these these interviews, like, if you
• 23:35
  wanna call them or to me, they're just conversations.
• 23:37
  And I think people can learn from them.
• 23:41
  I used to say, if you go to coaching clinic, I went to a baseball coaching clinics all of my
• 23:45
  life.
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  If I got one thing that day, it was six it was okay.
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  It was worth my time.
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  And I think I look at that same way as a podcast.
• 23:52
  You get one thing out of this.
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  You got one thing out of my keynote, last Wednesday.
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  It was worth my time.
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  And then and hopefully, I made a little bit of an impact.
• 24:05
  Yeah.
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  And I think what is so great about the podcasting format is that it's not just an
• 24:10
  interview.
• 24:11
  Right?
• 24:11
  I think it's easy to get caught up in, that, especially for people that aren't familiar with
• 24:17
  the the kind of structure of how these go is that there's a give and take.
• 24:21
  You're not just pulling that story out and opening their door, their to their warehouse
• 24:26
  and digging through all the dark corners.
• 24:29
  Right?
• 24:29
  You're sharing bits of yourself, and the more, you know, you can share of yourself, the better
• 24:34
  the conversation is because it might trigger a a memory or something that they weren't ever
• 24:39
  thinking about.
• 24:40
  And so many of the things like, you know, you were alluding to that you wouldn't know.
• 24:44
  People that come at it from a very surface level and if they were going on to the TV news
• 24:49
  or something of that nature, you have a three to five minute bit if you're lucky, and they're
• 24:55
  going to touch on that big moment and that's it, and you're not gonna really get to dig
• 24:58
  underneath surface.
• 24:59
  And that's why I've fallen in love with long form conversations, you know, and it doesn't
• 25:04
  really matter where you start.
• 25:05
  My podcast was completely about music.
• 25:08
  And all of a sudden, you know, over the course of the last twelve months, I found myself, you
• 25:14
  know, conversations with world champion bareback riders.
• 25:18
  I was in a presser with Ronda Barber, Chris Carter, and Sirneck Faldo.
• 25:23
  You know?
• 25:23
  Like, I and I didn't even really have the sports network at that time.
• 25:28
  Right?
• 25:28
  No one was inviting me from that.
• 25:30
  It was just a matter of like, hey.
• 25:31
  We need more media people here talking about this thing.
• 25:34
  We know you have your podcast.
• 25:36
  Can you come and join us?
• 25:37
  And now that I've been able to kind of file those away and put those on the resume that I'm
• 25:45
  able to go and open up even more doors.
• 25:47
  And now, you know, this week's episode that'll air on the on the network is with the, you
• 25:52
  know, season ticket premium seating manager of the Minnesota Vikings.
• 25:56
  Right?
• 25:57
  Now it's just door after door that keeps opening, and someone who didn't have a a long
• 26:02
  history in sports or in broadcasting is now opening doors in both of those areas.
• 26:08
  And who knows what comes of this over the next three decades of my life before I I retire from
• 26:14
  this.
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  And who not?
• 26:15
  I don't know.
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  I I don't think retirement's in the cards for, my generation.
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  We'll just kind of, like you, work until, we can't any longer, and the nature of the work
• 26:25
  changes.
• 26:26
  I I think that's all.
• 26:28
  Oh, I think you're right.
• 26:29
  And, you know, again, there's something to do, something to look forward to.
• 26:33
  And, you know, I didn't you know, I remember my wife saying, hey.
• 26:36
  When you retire, you're not gonna sit around.
• 26:38
  I'm like, oh, that's ingrained.
• 26:40
  You know?
• 26:40
  So I certainly am not doing that.
• 26:43
  And I figured I'd be to broadcasting and some of the other things, I've been doing the books.
• 26:48
  But, you know, it turns out it's not enough, and this thing has blossomed into, you know,
• 26:52
  unimaginable heights, and that's, like, exciting.
• 26:56
  And, you know, we as opposed to that two or three or five minute clip, if you're lucky, on
• 27:01
  the local news, you're reaching a very defined, confined area of people.
• 27:07
  Right?
• 27:07
  But the podcast is everywhere.
• 27:10
  And I think one of the terms I've learned, probably you'll like this early on as well,
• 27:15
  your coach, your stuff is evergreen.
• 27:17
  Like, what?
• 27:18
  What we're growing a tree?
• 27:19
  What are we doing with this?
• 27:20
  But it's, you know, it's there.
• 27:22
  It's for people, you know, forever to be able to find it, listen to it, and and it's always
• 27:29
  gonna be meaningful and impactful.
• 27:31
  And I've learned the importance of all that where, you know, as you grow too, Bubba.
• 27:37
  So this thing's growing and growing and growing more followers, more connections, blah blah
• 27:42
  blah.
• 27:43
  But the people that have come on board now probably didn't see the stuff that came out
• 27:48
  earlier.
• 27:48
  Right?
• 27:49
  So, you know, you put a little clip out of I try to do one or two of those a week of a
• 27:54
  previous guest.
• 27:56
  And, oh, that's interesting.
• 27:57
  Well, here's the link if you wanna listen to the rest of it, which you probably should do
• 28:01
  because I think you'll enjoy it.
• 28:03
  And I think it's just a constant growth engine.
• 28:06
  Right?
• 28:07
  It just keep continues to grow and, you know, you attract partners, sponsors, whatever, and
• 28:14
  people don't wanna come on and and talk about this.
• 28:18
  And it's also interesting.
• 28:20
  I always at the end, I always ask everybody, you know, what are straight lines?
• 28:23
  And we're gonna do this with you, by the way.
• 28:25
  What are what are the what are the straight lines for bubble starts?
• 28:28
  What does it mean to you?
• 28:30
  And I've dropped 31 so far, probably have 35 in the bank or six.
• 28:36
  But every answer is unique, and it's amazing.
• 28:39
  It's so good.
• 28:40
  And, of course, that'll be another book someday because it's already written.
• 28:43
  It's writing itself.
• 28:44
  But people come out and they give you these ideas and thoughts, and it's deep and it's
• 28:50
  passionate and thoughtful.
• 28:51
  I mean, it's just so cool to be able to converse.
• 28:54
  And, you know, here we are sitting, talking to each other and, you know, who'd have thunk it?
• 28:59
  And and there's so many, like you mentioned, so many other opportunities.
• 29:03
  And all you gotta do is ask, and I think most people don't they they all say yes.
• 29:08
  Harley, don't get many nos from time to time.
• 29:11
  And if they do say no, maybe you don't want them anyway.
• 29:14
  Right?
• 29:14
  Maybe you don't want it's okay.
• 29:16
  I'll move on.
• 29:17
  Have have a good time.
• 29:18
  We'll get somebody else.
• 29:19
  So that's that's been it's been amazing.
• 29:23
  I'm very, very much enjoying it.
• 29:24
  As are you, and you're doing unbelievably great things.
• 29:29
  Let me ask you a question.
• 29:30
  Do you get burned out with it all?
• 29:31
  You've eight to 14 shows and I mean, that's tough management.
• 29:35
  Right?
• 29:36
  I mean, that's you gotta really handle that.
• 29:38
  Yeah.
• 29:38
  Well, one, I don't do a lot of editing.
• 29:41
  Everything is kind of produced live as this because that's the stuff that I did get burnt
• 29:45
  out on.
• 29:46
  You know, a year ago before I had some of the things that I have, namely podcast.ai, which
• 29:51
  has just completely changed how we do.
• 29:53
  It's not only our hosting service, but it chops up all of my clips.
• 29:56
  So even after this episode is done, I'll throw it in there.
• 30:00
  It handles all of that.
• 30:02
  That was a game changer for me because that's where I was getting bogged down, not being a
• 30:05
  videographer, you know, coming from a video or broadcasting background.
• 30:09
  I could do a 100 conversations.
• 30:10
  But if it took me a year and a half to get all of those edited, for one, well, now I'm able to
• 30:16
  just kind of finish that, run it, and done.
• 30:18
  It it made me able to do those things.
• 30:21
  I get energy from doing the podcast.
• 30:24
  Right?
• 30:24
  So I it's different in that, and and I'm I'll do four today.
• 30:29
  Right?
• 30:30
  And Tuesdays and Thursdays, and I I had had some where I was doing podcast interviews every
• 30:35
  single day and really grinding on that, and I was exhausted.
• 30:38
  And then I was experiencing burnout.
• 30:40
  But I found that as I kind of started to batch them, I started to design it, right, but I
• 30:45
  didn't know until I got in it and was like, okay.
• 30:48
  Trying to change hats between the marketing side or the editing side and the, you know,
• 30:53
  searching for new guests or different direction that we want to go, you know, new new potential
• 30:58
  clients because some of these things have to make a little money sometimes too Yeah.
• 31:02
  That it was hard to change hats so many times during the day.
• 31:06
  So I just came down to my schedule.
• 31:07
  Right?
• 31:07
  I have the ability to make different calendars for different things, and, I I started to
• 31:12
  segment my life a little bit better.
• 31:13
  So I only record, you know, podcast episodes on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but I'll do four in a
• 31:19
  day.
• 31:19
  So I essentially get a month's worth of content in a single day, and then it's done.
• 31:24
  And, you know, for me, I stack so many up because last summer, I spent a lot of my time
• 31:29
  sitting here when the wife and kids were at home.
• 31:31
  My wife works at the school that my kids go to.
• 31:35
  So while everyone was home and we could spend more time together, I was still trapped in the
• 31:40
  studio until two, 03:00 in the afternoon, and it was really limiting to me.
• 31:44
  I I wasn't in control.
• 31:45
  You know?
• 31:45
  I didn't leave my leave my job at the factory to be a slave to something else, and I realized
• 31:52
  that, you know, I was creating that.
• 31:54
  So now I'm able to segment my time a little bit better and, you know, I can go ahead and block
• 31:58
  off my entire summer and no nothing is going to falter.
• 32:02
  Everything is already set up and all the content is scheduled out.
• 32:05
  And like you said, it's evergreen.
• 32:07
  There's not necessarily something that needs to go out.
• 32:10
  Now our weekly shows that we do for the sports and and those things are are a little bit
• 32:15
  different, but those are fun.
• 32:18
  Those are me and my guys hanging out, talking ball, and I live in a rural area of far away
• 32:23
  from all of these people that have become my good friends.
• 32:26
  So those are more of just a hang.
• 32:28
  And and, honestly, it's built in a way that we have several producers and we have, several
• 32:35
  hosts that for any one person, somebody can dip out, and it's happened for me.
• 32:39
  I'm on tour with our music side or I'm you know, kids got a ball game.
• 32:43
  My wife graduated college last week, so I wasn't able to do my Saturday morning golf show
• 32:48
  with the guys.
• 32:49
  But we have a big enough team, and you talked about surrounding yourself with the right
• 32:54
  people that I've been very fortunate in this, you know, last twelve months from doing it
• 32:59
  essentially all by myself last year to now having a team that's almost a dozen strong, and
• 33:04
  everybody has each other's back, whether they're coming from the music side of it or the
• 33:09
  sports or, you know, our our Patriot broadcasting where we're supporting veteran
• 33:13
  causes and, you know, veteran voices that we've had all of these people working together in all
• 33:18
  of this, and, that's where you're going to see it.
• 33:22
  And and you talked about, you know, are are we growing a a tree?
• 33:24
  Well, I'm growing a whole forest, Tim.
• 33:27
  And the point was to plant as many seeds as possible in a short amount of time, over a
• 33:32
  thousand episodes I've done, in the past two years.
• 33:36
  And, all of those conversations and all of these wonderful people that then become the
• 33:41
  partners and the sponsors and and the incredible friends that one day I hope to get
• 33:46
  to visit in person.
• 33:48
  And just because we formed this relationship online, you know, spending a little bit of time
• 33:53
  with each other on a platform like StreamYard, it it builds those bonds.
• 33:58
  And I think that to me, especially living in a a rural area, right, town of a thousand people
• 34:04
  in the middle of South Dakota where there's just not a lot I mean, there's eight not even
• 34:08
  800,000 people in the entire state spread out over a million square miles.
• 34:12
  Right?
• 34:13
  So for me, it's been an incredibly rewarding experience, but it's something that I couldn't
• 34:20
  have even done ten years ago.
• 34:22
  Right?
• 34:22
  So I'm very grateful for the opportunities that have befallen me just in the last year of, you
• 34:30
  know, interviews that I've got to had, conversations that I've got to have,
• 34:33
  organizations like Operation Combating Veteran Suicide that I get to be a big part of now.
• 34:38
  And I use that now to support other organizations like the Veteran Golf Association
• 34:43
  or Wings of Valor and all these people that are doing really great things in the world.
• 34:48
  And now I have this whole list of skills that even twelve months ago, I had no idea, how to
• 34:55
  do.
• 34:55
  Right?
• 34:55
  And and now we have that, all of the production stuff, and and we're just getting started.
• 35:00
  Right?
• 35:01
  You know?
• 35:01
  I that's that's kind of the crazy part is, like, we've done so much, but we're just
• 35:06
  really, you know, still kinda dipping our toes in the water as far as what we can do for
• 35:12
  organizations and to really do the most good in the world is the underlying course of that.
• 35:17
  I'm not in this to get rich.
• 35:19
  I could care less about being famous.
• 35:21
  I mentioned my town.
• 35:22
  Live in a town that size, you're gonna be about as famous as you'd ever want to be locally.
• 35:27
  So Sure.
• 35:28
  There there's not those motivations to me whatsoever.
• 35:31
  I don't live a life of anonymity as it is.
• 35:35
  So it's just different motivations.
• 35:37
  And I think a lot of people that get into podcasting, you know, want to be heard and
• 35:42
  seen.
• 35:43
  And for me, I'm trying to have others be heard and seen because of the platform that I've
• 35:49
  built.
• 35:49
  You know?
• 35:50
  Unlike you, I've spent most of my life in the public eye as a musician and building this, you
• 35:56
  know, public profile that my podcast was a give now.
• 36:00
  Hey.
• 36:00
  I have all of these people watching me all the time.
• 36:02
  Let me bring you into that world and introduce you to them.
• 36:05
  And some of them are gonna like you, and some of them probably aren't gonna care, and that's
• 36:09
  okay.
• 36:10
  That is okay.
• 36:11
  That is okay.
• 36:12
  I mean, you're impressive.
• 36:13
  I for the first time I met and talked to talked with you like this.
• 36:17
  I'm very impressed with you.
• 36:19
  You speak well.
• 36:19
  You do a great job.
• 36:20
  You know what's kinda cool about the podcasting too?
• 36:22
  You like the story.
• 36:23
  It can be flexible.
• 36:25
  So I had scheduled a former retired secret service agent, right, on the Monday after the
• 36:32
  incident in Washington, alright, at the hotel.
• 36:37
  And so I get him on Monday, you know, it's probably gonna air maybe a month or so later.
• 36:42
  And I know him fairly well.
• 36:44
  And I said, hey, Mark.
• 36:46
  I said, we're gonna have to call an audible here.
• 36:48
  You know that outline I sent you?
• 36:49
  Just gotta keep it.
• 36:50
  I said he goes, something must have happened, coach, on Saturday night.
• 36:54
  Go, yeah.
• 36:55
  Something happened.
• 36:56
  So, you know, that's the beauty of it also.
• 36:59
  We talked the whole it was unreal.
• 37:01
  We talked all about that sort of thing and his perspective.
• 37:05
  And at the end, I said, look.
• 37:06
  Don't because I got a whole bunch of notes.
• 37:08
  Get up on my I said, don't throw them away.
• 37:10
  We're gonna come back and we're gonna get those the next time unless, of course, something else
• 37:15
  happens.
• 37:15
  So, I mean, that's the beauty of it as as well.
• 37:19
  So I did that on a Monday, and it came out right away.
• 37:21
  I put it out Thursday.
• 37:23
  And, you know, again, those are the conversations I like.
• 37:27
  And, I mean, you're you're impressive, and time management, obviously, is critical.
• 37:32
  And I'm on a same boat.
• 37:33
  I don't edit.
• 37:34
  I don't do any of that stuff.
• 37:35
  You know, I need somebody to get it out and distribute it and make me look good, basically.
• 37:40
  And but I I I worry as this thing is continuing to grow, you know, in our especially in a
• 37:48
  regional variety as well, how many can I do a day?
• 37:51
  But I think your advice is is good.
• 37:54
  It does make me wanna do more.
• 37:56
  You know, when we're done with this, I'd wanna do another one.
• 37:58
  And I think I could do that.
• 38:00
  Maybe start with two a day, three a day, and do them on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
• 38:04
  I really like that model, and, maybe that's something I can follow in the future.
• 38:09
  But I'm very impressed with everything you're doing, and, you know, sometimes you throw the
• 38:13
  mud on the wall, hopefully, something sticks.
• 38:15
  Well, yeah, you're building a hut.
• 38:17
  You know, you got a mud hut going, and everything's sticking for you.
• 38:21
  Yeah.
• 38:21
  One day, it might be a mud mansion.
• 38:23
  Who knows?
• 38:24
  We're gonna keep throwing it at the wall because I just don't I just don't know where
• 38:29
  it's going.
• 38:30
  I don't know what we're creating.
• 38:31
  Right?
• 38:32
  It's a it's a Jackson Pollock painting right now, but maybe someday someone's gonna look at
• 38:38
  it and be like, that's an amazing piece of art.
• 38:40
  And for me, I'm just I'm in the moment.
• 38:43
  I love the conversations I get to have, the access that I've gained to some really
• 38:48
  incredible, you know, not just people, but situations.
• 38:50
  And I was spending most of the money that I was making working full time on experiences.
• 38:56
  Well, now the podcast brings me all of those experiences for for nothing.
• 38:59
  Right?
• 39:00
  We're being asked to join these things.
• 39:02
  And to me, that's really incredible.
• 39:04
  And we're I I really just I'm I'm a guy in his garage.
• 39:08
  Right?
• 39:09
  A guy in his garage with a webcam, and and the fact that we've been able to kinda grow all of
• 39:14
  this is impressive.
• 39:16
  I will, yeah, I will warn you that four is a big number to do in a day.
• 39:22
  I know that when I get to the end of today and Thursday that are packed schedules that I'm
• 39:28
  exhausted.
• 39:29
  Starting with two in a day is probably a great idea, but you also don't wanna be you know, for
• 39:33
  me, I don't wanna be beholden to, like, I have to show up all the time in this.
• 39:36
  Like, I would like to take a vacation.
• 39:38
  Right?
• 39:38
  I would like some days off.
• 39:39
  And if the kids have something going on or there's something that comes up, we wanna be
• 39:44
  able to go and do that.
• 39:45
  And you talk about being flexible.
• 39:48
  I had Michael Coco on, his episode aired last week, and he'd come from the music business.
• 39:54
  He'd worked for MTV and had organized festivals and all these things.
• 39:57
  And so I'm like, my whole head is geared towards this.
• 40:01
  Well, he gets on.
• 40:02
  He's like, oh, yeah.
• 40:03
  Sorry.
• 40:03
  I missed your email.
• 40:04
  Started a new job, like, a month ago.
• 40:06
  I was like, oh, nice.
• 40:07
  You know, what's the new gig?
• 40:08
  He's like, oh, started with a new show baseball called Boomball, a new show baseball league.
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  And I was like, I'm literally in the studio changing it from my music podcast to the sports
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  podcast.
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  I'm like, okay.
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  Well, this has a new home now, and and we're gonna talk about Boomball.
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  Oh, do you have a broadcast partner yet?
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  And what are you guys doing for those and and looking for those angles?
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  And that really is the beauty that people don't see of podcasting.
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  And as a I guess, you know, in the business world, they would call it a lead generator.
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  That's what my podcast really is for me.
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  And if we can find a way for that to continue to grow and compound over the course of, you
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  know, the next ten years, we're already to the point where with a few advertisers and and a
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  few clients during the month, the the bills are paid and and my time is of value to me.
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  And it's gonna continue to just grow and grow and much like yours is.
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  It's gonna continue to grow, and one day you're gonna look back and the numbers will be 10
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  times what they are now.
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  And you'll be speaking on stages in front of thousands of, you know, hopefuls and people
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  that find one thing about what you said to take away with them.
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  And I think that's truly truly amazing.
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  Tim, I don't wanna take up any more of your time today.
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  I'm so grateful to you for coming on with me.
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  We did roll the the scroll with your with your website before our audio people.
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  Go to coach Tim Nieman, that is neiman,.com.
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  Learn more.
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  Get the books, I'm sure.
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  Listen to the Straight Lines podcast.
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  Anything I'm missing in there, coach?
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  I think you got it all, Bubba.
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  I can't thank you enough for having me on today.
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  I'm sure there's plenty more we can do down the road, and we'll flip the we'll flip the script
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  next time.
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  I'll we're gonna get you on, and I'll ask you a bunch of questions as well.
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  But I appreciate you and everything you're doing.
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  I I appreciate you, and and I look forward to being a guest on the Straight Lines podcast.
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  Coach, thanks for spending some time with me this morning, and thank you for being part of
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  the scene.
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  Thank you.
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  I'm most grateful.
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  Thank you very much.