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Random Heathen Ramblings: S2, EP32 - Odin And Tyr, Feat. Liam Sëïdhman Meader Of The North American Nordic Society · Random Heathen Ramblings

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All right. Yeah so I have no clue and this
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is usually how it goes. I have a clue but about some
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things but what as far as what we're going to be talking about
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today with my special guest, let's let's just say that it's
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going to be quite random. I can assure you and we're going
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to just see where things go and how they go.
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His name is Liam and he holds office position and I say
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office, I mean, like a court office and Office of the Court
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position for a National Organization as I understand it
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and he's going to come on here in just a minute to clarify,
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anything that I may be mistaken or Miss speaking about.
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But a heathen organization, a National Organization and I
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believe it is like an official organization like it's Now
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though, either a 501 C or whatever, but he's going to talk
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a bit about that and we'll see where everything else goes.
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But he believed he holds a title position in an unofficial
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capacity, within that organization, which is Nan's,
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which is an abbreviation for the North American Nordic Society.
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So, we've got Liam going to be joining us and talking a bit
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about that and, you know, whatever else may strike our
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interest or set our minds on fire or striker.
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Nancy's, we're just going to ramble on a bit, you know, when
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he even to another, I've had some like Facebook Chat
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conversations with Liam. I've been on some video
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conversations with him before, not just me, but also our go,
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the dingo. So we're all like, in a group
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chat and I know some of the other guys not like, personally
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know them. But I know some of the other
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guys that are a part of Nan's that whole Ation seeming seems
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like some really really awesome cool.
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Folks to get to know you'll have to excuse me for the hiccups
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because I am drinking a brew, a beer from this Tankard, which
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has a fur cuff. For some reason wrapped around
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it and I don't know where I got this cuff thing from or what it
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even. I can't even remember what it
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came to. It's not real fur, it's like a
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faux fur. It just looked cool.
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I thought it would look cool. You know, kind almost like a
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koozie wrap it around my tanker, the Tankard is just a, you know,
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thrift store. Thank got it for like 3 bucks at
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Goodwill. So That is, it's a Gaelic hail,
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that's inside of it. So, I don't normally have beer
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during the show's. I usually have a whiskey.
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I usually how about we ski, which is definitely not an
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Italian. Drink Scotch usually has Scotch
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whiskey in my gloss and I do not have any Scotch whiskey today
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because I moved because I think at all and I'm sad about it.
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So I had this beer in the fridge since July and yeah.
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So today we're breaking it open too.
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Is away actually the time of the recording of This podcast.
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We are two days away from the start of winter nights.
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So by the time you folks are getting this out here on the
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podcast Airwaves or platforms etcetera.
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We will already have been into the second day.
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Going into the second night of winter nights which is a three
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night, long celebration. Historically speaking a three
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night, long celebration. So yeah, anyway.
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Enough from me. I'm sure you guys are ready,
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too. Meet my guest.
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So let's, let's go ahead and welcome in Liam from the North
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American Nordic Society, right? You're good.
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All right, folks, here we are. And here he is.
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Here he be that says, I'm joined with Liam.
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We go go by. Liam, is that?
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Yes, I go by Liam. All right.
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Well Halen, welcome to random G podcast sir.
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Liam from the Nan's or North American Nordic society and
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welcome. That's us, thank you.
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Thank you for having me. I'm actually pretty excited to
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be here and discuss some Concepts.
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A lot of people may not have thought about and may not have
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made the correlations to great. Great, yeah.
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And that's what I like about having people on from different.
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Not just, you know, walks of life religiously or spiritually
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but getting different Heathen, percept perceptions or
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perspectives on things because you know, one person's
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approaches or what one groups approaches, you know, I feel
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that with the differences between regions Even just in our
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country because, you know, I'm in North America Europe, North
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America were both in the u.s. how modern heathens practice in
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in the u.s. is probably a lot different than heathens in
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modern times practice abroad and elsewhere.
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And so it's always great to I think share knowledge with each
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other and, you know, maybe light some fires, in our minds and get
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things, you know, exploring things that We maybe had thought
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about before, so appreciate the, you know, willingness to get on
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here and just ramble on a bit about those things.
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That's pretty cool. But before we get into all that
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fun stuff, you know, I mentioned before you came on here that you
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are not just part of this organization, North American
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Nordic Society, but you are a official or a title carrying
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member. So I didn't want to like, speak
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out of turn and or say anything that you know was inaccurate.
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So if you would care to, you know, kind of just introduce
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yourself who you are and then what?
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Nan's is an about jazz kind of let everybody that's listening
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and watching it a little bit in on you guys.
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Sure. So, my name is Liam, I am the
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CEO and the founder of the northern American Nordic
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Society. I am also, what is called a
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othon Goethe, which is the fifth highest level of the go p--
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priesthood specific to our organization, are our main Bolin
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Nan's is to educate people about the faith, about the
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spirituality, about the history of our ancestors in.
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The people not just from Scandinavia and the Norse tribes
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but also from Germania and the ruse tribes as well going into
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when they made contact with the Celtic tribes and going into
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Britannia and those errors as well.
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But pre Viking to Viking era is kind of where our focus is on
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the Side of things. And we offer a safe place for
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new pagans who are new to our faith to have a safe environment
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to learn to not feel uncomfortable or be chastised
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for not, knowing to be able to express their thoughts and their
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opinions and ask questions without being made to feel like
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they're inadequate or uneducated or lesser because they don't
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know as much or they're not as far along wash.
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So we have classrooms that we teach people right now.
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Everything is Pletely online. We step completely away from
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face book except for our page. So we have our own server now,
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which is our counter built in-house social media from
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Discord and then we have our main webpage, which is Northern
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American Nordic Society.com. You can go on there and see all
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our information, learn how to become a member of through there
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and see the good stuff that we benefit fair, that we provide
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benefits. People of our community, and
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people outside of our community as well.
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One of the big things for Going to do with man's is do a lot of
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charity work and Outreach for not just Norse pagan people.
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But for All Peoples, Peoples, who really need.
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They need help financial help, they need food, they need
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support, they need someone to turn to that, is there to
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provide some safety and someone to give them spiritual
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counseling and guidance. Just so they know that they're
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okay. And everything will be okay,
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that's what Nan's is. Therefore, so that's one of the
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things we do. That's, that's a lot of, that's,
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I mean, that covers a lot of ground, I think, especially, you
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know, considering how much the I think you know, paganism in
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general as an umbrella term? I don't see stuff like this
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going on. Like, what you're describing
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there, there are some right there are some like,
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organizations and groups that are very much interested in
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serving the community, right? Not just the Pagan Community but
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you know, the community that they live.
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And in doing that, those sorts of those things that you
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mentioned, like, Outreach for the less fortunate or people
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that meet, you know, clothing financial aid, you know,
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spiritual backing, you know, anything like that with, with
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Focus being on the community. So I know that now.
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Are you, are you guys like in a like we say, you know, the
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northern American Nordic Society like you guys are legit.
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Yes, org, right? I mean, you, you really are a
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legit organization. We have, we have all our
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paperwork in from the state of California, right now.
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It's, we're waiting for a 1023 easy form to be turned in.
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We have 40 years after after we filed, our paperwork to be a
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religious organization. So a charge.
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So to speak. We actually like tax-exempt
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status and things of that, it gets us.
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Civic tax-exempt, man. It's a little bit different than
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5031. See, it's more specific to
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legit, applying the religion, in the federal level recognizing us
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as this is a standalone religion.
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This is, this is what it is. It gives us that tax exemption.
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So we can collect funds and provide the things in the
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services that we're trying to provide and that we're working
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towards providing and we set out 2017 is when I created it used
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to To be called the northern American Astro, Heathen, or
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Asatru at Astra heating Community is what it used to be
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called. And then we change the names
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after we rebranded because we weren't getting very much
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traction with the old name because it was 22, encompassing
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of different ideas. So we rebranded and since then,
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everything's been been going great.
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And, you know, we just launched our webpage about three and a
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half months ago, we've got tons of new memberships coming in.
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We're always looking for more Come in anyone who even if you
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don't want to become a full member, you're more than welcome
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to come and learn. You're more than welcome to come
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and participate. Help out in any way that you
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can. The whole idea is to get our
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faith specifically Norse paganism in a better light in
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the community and the world. We're tired of people
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associating. Heathen re in general, as kind
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of that racist skewed, motivated type religion, because that's
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not what it's about, is the all-father, not the some father
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And we're trying to protect people who believe in our faith
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from people getting the wrong, idea about what we believe are
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symbols the names of certain things in our religion, such as
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a Goethe things like that. We're trying to protect this
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thing. So we have or actively working
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on, you know, getting certain certain terminologies copy
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written so that they can be protected for all the
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organizations out there that are non racist so we can Make the
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appropriate moves to keep the racially motivated people out of
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the face, out of our religion and claiming our relatives for
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racially motivated hate crimes and things like that.
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Yeah. Now and I think you know like
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when with with with people that are letter fresh to this belief
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system that you know it because there's so much to it, you know?
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And it's kind of you can't just say almond you know what?
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Well, I think you probably can you can you can get some people
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that come into this. I'm new to this path.
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Okay. Well, what path are you talking
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about, right? Are you looking at a more, you
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know, Germanic Pagan where it's, you know, you are you more of a
17:54
historical approach, you know, are you looking at reliving or
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reconstructing, the the cultural differences of a certain region,
18:05
you know, because there's there's so much, you know, the
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swedes did it differently than the icelanders, which who did
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it? Within the Danes may be slightly
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different from the Norwegians and then on and on and on down
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history. So it's kind of like and we're
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in North America, you know what I mean?
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And I think that there's a lot to be said about building and
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preserving our own Traditions based on where we are.
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Right. So you know you guys are in the
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Pacific Northwest if I'm not mistaken and California.
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Yeah and how you guys up there up in that part of the country?
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Observe and do things are probably going to be regionally
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Different because of, you know, those types of things are going
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to be regionally different, your Customs or Traditions are going
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to be that different than some than some folks that may be out
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in Texas or on the the east coast and the Appalachia
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mountain ranges and us here in Tennessee and all that.
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But so like with what you guys are aiming to do and what you've
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been doing, how do you see how your organization can cater to
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the folks? Because I'm assuming that your
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membership, right? Is not.
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Is it strictly based on the region?
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Like is it just for folks in the Northwest Pacific area of the
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country? Or is it kind of open to other
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are open our? Our organization is open to
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everyone in the Americas so that includes self America concludes
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Mexico and includes the United States of America.
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Canada, Alaska, we have members from the UK we have members from
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Iceland from Sweden, Norway, Germany even a few from Spain
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actually within our organization.
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And, you know, we're trying to, we're trying to approach the
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animistic views of the old world religion, trying to reconstruct
19:55
it to a certain point with the knowledge that we have based on
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how the people lived their lives and why they would have made
20:02
those assumptions to the religion.
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We're trying to reconstruct it as close as possible, but also
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keeping an open mind to there is going.
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To be an element of personal Spiritual Development in
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personal spiritual connection, to the gods into the religion.
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So it's finding that that fine balance between the lines and
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just kind of guiding people along along that path that feels
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right for them for the most part and giving them the knowledge of
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the history and letting them make their own mind up for
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themselves is the best the best way.
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And I mean, the absolute best way you're going to come to any
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conclusion about any of this. It is built a relationship with
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the gods yourself. Have someone guide you to the
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information so you can learn about them and help you learn
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about them. But when you really get down to
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the dirty, nitty-gritty in the brass behind it, it's building
20:54
that relationship of the Gods. It's building that relationship
20:56
with your ancestors and building that relationship with the
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spirits of the world and all the nine worlds that live within it.
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And that's how you're going to really determine what's right
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for you and what's not right for you.
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I'm not here to tell you you're wrong, or you're right?
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I'm Our to go, you're on the right path for you.
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That's the whole point of being a Goethe is as much as I am
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teaching other people. I am also learning as much as I
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am teaching them. I'm learning from them, right,
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that's a huge thing, you know, with with so many newcomers and
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I think I every time I turn around, I'm, you know, seeing
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questions from people I'm, you know, I'm new to this path.
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Where do I start? You know, and that's like, man,
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you know how much Time. Do you have?
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Because that's the question that you can't really just like
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summarized into a brief. I mean you can but it's like
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there's so much left open to follow up on with more questions
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about okay you know this this really not one path here that
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we're all on we're all right on our own paths that that some of
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us have found commonalities with other people and so we're
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building those those tribal Traditions or those communities
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you know very and on a very small scale.
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Yes. And that is is where like I see
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the future of heathen re paganism.
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Specifically, we call Norse paganism or my I feel that this
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specific branch of paganism Heathen or your right is the
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future of it. Resides in our ability to learn
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to bring it back to the to the Grassroots and and not be so
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focused on. Well, what organization, my part
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of who do I pay dues to, you know, Who's my quote, unquote
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Regional Goethe this or that. Like there's a place for it and
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I feel that there's an important place for it.
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Especially now in today's society where everything is.
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So like we have such a broad reach.
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Yeah. Because of, you know, Discord
22:53
servers and social media, and all these sorts of things that
22:56
there's there's a tremendous opportunity there for us to
23:00
influence and and become part of something.
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And that's what people are looking for.
23:04
But not to take that too, so much to the extent that we lose
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sight of, where he even really thrive.
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Is at the community level and doing and being part of
23:15
something like that that that that brings up a fantastic
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point. So I just want to touch base on
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a scenario that is just that. So even even Nance North
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American Nordic Society. We started out with about the
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spiritualism doing doing live, blots and building that sense of
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community and then we had this idea of hey we could do more
23:40
with this. We could Actually help people
23:42
with this and give them a place to feel safe.
23:45
And not just people that we deem worthy.
23:47
But people all over the world people of all, all over
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different ethnicities, different spiritual backgrounds, different
23:55
mindsets, and cultures can come to Nan's and still feel safe to
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learn here. So, when we set out to build
24:02
what we've built now, even even with us being a spiritual, as we
24:09
are, we we can His track very, very easy and become to singular
24:16
minded as far as the business side goes and trying to focus.
24:19
So much on the business that were you're losing sight on the
24:21
spirituality and I'll tell you firsthand as as a spiritual
24:25
advisor and someone who's also running a legit business, which
24:30
is what a church technically is we have to run it that way, but
24:34
it does draw and Wayne on your spiritual on your spiritual
24:38
path, in your spiritual side. So it's a matter of trying to
24:41
keep the balance and there and constantly reminding yourself
24:44
every day. Am I doing this?
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Because I'm trying to get to make money, or am I doing this?
24:48
So I can help people my doing this, to be a spiritual advisor,
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my doing this, because I'm being called to do it.
24:53
So I wake up every day and I have to remind myself.
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Hey, I'm focusing way too much right now.
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On the business side of it. I need to get back into the
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teaching. I need to get back into advising
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people spiritually and helping them along their Journey.
25:06
Guided meditations guiding them to the answers that they're
25:09
looking for, from the gods. So it that right there people
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with that very, this is my organization, this is their
25:18
organization, they can't come in, they can't be a part of
25:20
that. It it's that type of mentality
25:23
that thought process from being too much organized which leads
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you astray from what you set out to do.
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And that's one of the things that man's wants to rectify.
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Within that Norse Pagan Community is bring everyone
25:36
together. There is if you want to call
25:38
yourself the Vulcan forth, Kindred or you want to call
25:42
yourself the dark bore Kindred, or Nan's or whatever you want to
25:45
call yourself. It's just a name.
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We're all brothers and sisters. We are all children of the Gods,
25:51
we're all here trying to do the same thing.
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So why not think about ways that we can work together and find
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those commonalities? And those things that were
26:00
interested in that are alike rather than separating
26:03
ourselves? Do you think that a lot of the
26:07
problems in this is like an open question, but I like to get
26:10
other Insights on it. But do you think that a lot of
26:12
the problems that we face or that we see with you know folks
26:19
coming into paganism thinking that it has to be a certain way
26:23
or guide me on this this like they look at it as like as this
26:26
as a singular path rather than a tree with many branches and a
26:30
road that has many Forks in it and stuff like that.
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Do you think that it has to do with the the domineering or the
26:37
dominating Global Christian? World view on things that that
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has, that is to say like infected the mindset.
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But I mean, quite literally, when I came into paganism, when
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I became what I am today and and growing To Each Day become,
26:53
like, I had to change my entire perspective and world view on
26:56
things because of the Christian influences of, you know,
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sacredness and and a deity and spirituality and deeds eunos in
27:09
there. And then all this other kind of
27:10
If which has place in heat and we believe, or not like a lot of
27:13
these terms all these things, it just, it just means a different
27:16
thing and it has different implications.
27:17
So, do you think that That that's a like that that people
27:22
are struggling with that when they're, when they're coming
27:24
into this thinking though, it's got to be a certain way, it's
27:26
got to be that because of the excess like baggage that they
27:30
may have think. I think it's definitely a big
27:34
influence on their perception of the religion and what they're
27:38
expecting going into it. And I think that also has to do
27:42
a lot with. Also, the perception of the
27:45
people who are the leaders in the organization, is that these
27:49
people are coming to I have so many people in Nan's who have
27:54
come from different spiritual backgrounds.
27:56
I have people who've come from Wicca.
27:58
I've had people who've come from Hellenic.
28:00
I have people who believe it or not, come from Catholicism,
28:03
they've come from Christianity. And a couple of them have come
28:07
from, being Jehovah's, Witnesses, and Mormon and stuff
28:09
like that. And when they first arrived in
28:12
there, they're expecting it to be kind of how Hollywood
28:16
perceives in personifies. Our religion.
28:19
As this, It's very yeah, I hate that.
28:24
I hate the term, bro. So true.
28:25
The broasted truth cult, you know, Hollywood has
28:28
unfortunately tainted. We're all Vikings in this.
28:32
Yeah. Yeah.
28:34
So I think it has a lot to do with both.
28:36
We have to understand is spiritual advisors in our
28:40
communities, and Elders, within our communities, and Chieftains
28:42
within the communities that the new generations coming in, and
28:46
it's our responsibility to assure them in.
28:51
To make them feel comfortable and know that it's okay to have
28:54
certain thought processes in certain ideas, floating around
28:58
in their head because they've been indoctrinated into those
29:00
from the religion that they were in before or even indoctrinated
29:03
from society. I mean, look at the world today,
29:06
Christianity has been around for 2,000 21 years as legitimately
29:13
how long Christianity has been around.
29:14
And in that time 90% of our Pagan religions have been
29:20
Completely lost like 90% of everything.
29:23
We know about the Pagan world has been completely lost other
29:27
than stuff that they have recently, within the last
29:29
hundred years, dug up and reconstructed, 90% of the actual
29:33
meat of the faith. In our religion, and
29:38
pre-christian Mesoamerican, religions, all those things have
29:42
been lost and buried up with the modern Concepts in the modern
29:46
Norms of how societies are supposed to think, and how
29:48
they're supposed to believe in the types of Legends of this
29:51
possible even. So it's it is a systemic issue.
29:55
Branching from I don't like to necessarily bash Christians
30:00
because I don't care what they believe.
30:02
I care what I believe and they're free to believe what
30:05
they want. To just don't chastise me for my
30:07
beliefs. So it does.
30:09
Yeah, I think it is a relevant factor in in new pagans finding
30:16
any any Pagan faith. You know, you bring up an
30:20
interesting thing, talking about just the influence that, you
30:23
know, we say Christianity and whatnot has had on the world,
30:26
right? Not just in North America or in
30:30
the US but just all over the world that the broad reach that
30:33
that it has had. And I love to see you know
30:37
people nowadays and I recently saw something like this happened
30:40
a couple of weeks ago with one of the officials that represent
30:46
the truth. You know, it was a pagan and a
30:50
pastor sitting in the church building and somewhere I think
30:53
was in Wisconsin or Minnesota or something, and they sat there
30:57
and they talk about things that, you know, the pastor's view on
31:00
things and it was, you know, in front of an audience, a live
31:03
audience, but it was streamed live for the world to see and it
31:06
was such a wholesome conversation.
31:08
There was no hate towards each other.
31:11
There was actual dialogue between them to about certain
31:16
approach on things and how, you know, Because let's face it,
31:19
right? Christianity and its reach and
31:24
it's not a it's not like every Christian is bad, right there.
31:28
Have been some really crappy people over the overtime and a
31:31
lot of them have been Christians, but there's also
31:32
been some really terrible people that do things in the name of of
31:36
our of our pagan gods, and trying to defame, and, and
31:41
disgrace those sacred figures as well.
31:45
So, it touches on so many different levels.
31:47
So to say that, you know, You're bad, just because of the
31:50
religion, you follow is so misguided.
31:54
I think, you know, before just shitty people because of them
31:57
being shady people write in and using their religion to fuel,
32:01
their hate is Justin, you know, another Thing to weed through it
32:06
and it's an unfortunate reality. It's, it's a, it's a sad sad
32:10
thing in a state of affairs. When people the world Focus so
32:14
much on the differences of their religions, that that's their
32:16
only thing they have to dislike is I just like you, because
32:22
you're not Christian, you're going to burn in hell because my
32:24
religion tells me this or I didn't like you because you're
32:27
Christian and you persecuted my ancestors and you're a bad
32:30
person because like, they the ones that did it, you know, like
32:33
it was them that we're out there, you know.
32:35
Pagans down and crucifying them are doing it a lot.
32:37
Like, did really like to tell you the truth, I my Christian
32:42
friends and my Mormon friends, because I am friends with
32:45
Christians. I am friends with Mormons.
32:46
I'm friends with Protestants and Jehovah's Witnesses.
32:50
And a few Muslim people, I love my abrahamic faith, brothers and
32:55
sisters, regardless of their differences of worldview.
32:59
As far as religion goes because they see who I am as a person.
33:05
Person. They see the honor and integrity
33:07
in the truth. How I live my life and the
33:09
words, and the actions that I speak and lived and they're able
33:13
to look past the fact that I'm Pagan and their idea of what
33:16
they were taught about what Pagan is or what Norse Pagan is.
33:19
And they actually see me as a man and that's how I see them.
33:23
I see them as a man or a woman, not, but not based off their
33:26
religion, I viewed in way them by their actions, by their
33:30
deeds, by them. Holding troops that are honoring
33:33
their words. And that's that's I think Nan's
33:36
tries to teach its new members is it's really important to
33:40
walk. The walk that you're claiming
33:42
you're walking and not just talk it but actually live that life.
33:47
There is no shame in being a outspoken, Norsemen who's proud
33:55
of you to religion and also accepting someone else for their
33:58
religion. There's no shame in that.
34:01
Yeah, because that's what we want, right?
34:02
We want to be, we want To. We first of all, we just want to
34:06
do what we do and not get bothered for it.
34:08
You're right. I mean nobody wants that and I
34:10
don't think any buddy who practices any religion, you talk
34:14
about doing it and walking the walk.
34:16
I mean, I've heard, you know, he's Andre and paganism.
34:20
It's a living religion. Well, I can test that really any
34:22
religion, any anything that you want to devote your life to, to
34:26
that extent, you should be living regardless of what right?
34:29
It's called. Right regardless of what label
34:31
it has put to it, you should be living it and that's if that's
34:34
what you claim to be. Right?
34:35
If you're a Christian and live like one, if you're a pagan, you
34:38
know, live like one, if you're a Buddhist, it was, you know, so
34:41
live. It be it.
34:42
Do it. And let your Deeds.
34:45
Be the thing that your worth is measured by because that's
34:48
ultimately, you know, you're only, you're only worth as much
34:51
as the value. That's placed upon you by your,
34:54
by your people. You know, you're not anything
34:58
without them, right? And we're not anything without
35:00
the without our people and without our, you know, people in
35:03
our community. So So exactly.
35:06
I think what? I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut
35:09
you off. No, no.
35:10
Go ahead. What if I was to tell you a
35:14
simple way to scientifically some up, every religion being
35:17
accurate to the individual is experiencing the religion.
35:22
What if you were to tell me that, I'd say come over.
35:26
So we have a, we have a chemical in our brain, which is known as
35:30
DMT that's produced by the pineal gland, the pineal gland
35:34
agent. Even the Egyptians ancient
35:36
Sumerians knew about the pile and they had, they had very
35:40
accurate mapping of the brain in pictures of the pile uncle and
35:43
and had full on fables written about the knowledge plant,
35:49
right? So there's this chemical in the
35:52
brain called the Mt that gets released into the blood.
35:57
It's scientifically proven now as of 2020 amid 2020, doctors,
36:04
finally. Bird large large amounts of DMT
36:07
and people's optic nerve system, right?
36:10
So this this is responsible for how we perceive the world around
36:14
us. This chemical.
36:15
That's naturally produced in the brain is solely responsible for
36:19
how we perceive things visually, right?
36:22
So when you have a dream and you're having a very Vivid dream
36:26
that you can remember, it's because large amounts of DMT are
36:28
getting dumped into your brain. It's the same thing.
36:31
When we have a personal spiritual experience when we Are
36:35
meditating or we are going on a walk spiritual journey, earn
36:40
adjournment and we are experiencing Communications with
36:43
Spirits, the 80s ancestors, interdimensional beings,
36:48
whatever, whatever have you they are not false because someone
36:54
else isn't having the same experience, they are 100%
36:57
accurate and true because you are having that experience.
37:03
So, every Religion out there at some point because of the
37:09
personal experience that they're having you here of Christians
37:12
and Catholics having these encounters with angels coming,
37:15
right? That is their brains way of
37:18
perceiving Spiritual Beings. Have been encountering through
37:21
the amount of DMT being dumped into their brain at the time.
37:24
So is that make it false? Because you're not seeing it.
37:27
No, it's just as valid as my religion and my experience is in
37:32
me seeing when I do a block 20, In Odin showing up with a group
37:36
of 25 people and everyone experiencing that together and
37:41
it's just as valid as that. I feel like I feel like Joe
37:46
Rogan's going to kick in the door or whatever and he s not
37:48
talking about DMT because now we're getting into some, some
37:52
really interesting points of the way are the way we operate the
37:58
way art the way this meat machine functions.
38:01
Yeah, things that the things that, you know, you look at, you
38:06
know, you talked about like scientific evidence and and
38:08
medicinal benefits and stuff to things like psilocybin and and,
38:13
and how That is literally like, we've got, you know, medical
38:18
doctors, who advocate for the safe administration of these
38:24
types of things to like, reset your body's and change your
38:29
perception of things, to the point for your health, right?
38:32
It's like the most, it's the most holistic and beneficial
38:34
antidepressant known to man and yet millions and millions of
38:39
people are out here suffering unnecessarily because of stupid.
38:42
You know? Nations that that prohibit it's
38:45
for use and administration. So, you know, 100%, I do I have
38:50
I can't gain say really anything with what little I know about
38:53
the things that you're talking but just what some of what I do
38:55
know. I'm like, yeah, that makes
38:57
perfect sense. You know, not to not to say that
39:00
the let's all go out here and do shrooms.
39:02
But hey, let's all go down here into shrooms where I helping you
39:07
know, where I think it gets misconstrued and it becomes a
39:12
negative thing. With that personal spiritual
39:15
experience is when the person allows too much of their
39:20
internal ego. That part of themselves that
39:24
says, I'm right. And I know I'm right, or I want
39:26
to see this. So I'm going to project that
39:28
into my meditation. I'm going to subconsciously
39:31
project that into my experience, we have to be careful when we're
39:36
experiencing these things and helping other people experience
39:39
them. Because that's one of the things
39:40
I do is I lead people through shamanic death during Ernie's, I
39:44
lead them through say, hi seat and Mound sitting to communicate
39:49
with their ancestors. Who decides the gods.
39:51
Yeah, very nice and very cool. I don't hear.
39:55
A lot of people talk about that. That's good to hear.
39:58
You have to be very careful with preparing them.
40:02
It usually takes about six months to a year of me, leading
40:06
them forgetting meditations so that they're ready at that
40:09
point. That their ego is not in control
40:12
of their thought. This isn't their subconscious
40:14
when they're in a meditative state so that the answers of the
40:17
getting are actually from Spirit.
40:19
They're actually from the gods and not from their higher
40:21
Consciousness telling them. Hey, you like for instance I'm
40:24
just going to use it as an example.
40:26
All these people who are infatuated Marvel's low-key,
40:30
okay, and they meditate for the first time ever because they
40:33
become Pagan and they have this Vision where Marvel's Loki comes
40:36
to them and tells them. No, I love you.
40:38
You're my God. Spouse both of habla.
40:39
Now your mind and they sleep with them in their meditation.
40:44
No, I'm sorry. If you don't have the basic
40:47
understanding of the practice has built up to build a banner.
40:50
Jeez and know the difference between your ego an ancestral
40:53
Spirit coming in or a god coming in, how are you going to tell
40:58
anyone when you're brand new at this practice and haven't
41:01
practiced it long enough to really make those judgment calls
41:04
to discern the difference between the three?
41:06
How are you going to tell somebody that that's not your
41:09
ego feeding, you the answers that you want to hear from an
41:11
egotistical place. Yeah, that's a really valid
41:16
thing to bring up, you know, because the infatuation with the
41:20
gods, especially early on, I mean, I think I don't speak for
41:24
all, but I'll speak for myself like that was again because of
41:30
past, you know, baggage or other worldviews.
41:33
You know, God was the number one thing that you had to focus on
41:36
and in Christianity, right? So coming into like a
41:38
polytheistic religion. Believe, you know, like I found
41:45
out where you later on not early on enough that it's not so much
41:49
about the gods, as it is about building.
41:51
That relationship with your ancestors and having them part
41:55
of your life and building that Hearth cult, you know, the thing
41:58
that's closest to you. And then over time, you know,
42:01
the relationship with your gods and, and the spirits around you
42:04
becomes. It's an organic growth into
42:06
things, you know. Like, you're not just going to
42:08
dive headfirst and, you know, sudden be chosen by Odin or your
42:12
Of his Warriors or Wolves or any of this other mumbo-jumbo that
42:16
just tends to run rampant. It seems in these people's minds
42:19
and hey, why is that? It's because again, because of
42:22
the influences that are around us all all over, you know,
42:26
Hollywood and past experiences from other religion.
42:30
I'm really, I'm really not trying to be a gatekeeper in
42:34
that aspect either. I mean there's a there's a
42:37
certain level of, you know, having to stop people and go
42:40
look. I have to hit you with a Reality
42:43
a reality qualms in your brain and get you to reset a little
42:47
bit and take a step back but there's also a level of okay,
42:50
now how can we guide you to the right answers and guide you to
42:54
learn these techniques so that you're doing it properly and not
42:57
being tricked by your own ego. So there there's a level that
43:01
kind of comes off sometimes is gatekeeping or I'm just trying
43:04
to tell you what to do and it's more.
43:08
So out of I am legitimately concerned about Individual who's
43:13
practicing these things? When they don't have the first
43:16
clue of what they're practicing because, you know, as somebody
43:19
who practices that Vicky, right? You practice some save magic,
43:22
right? I have dabbled a bit into that,
43:25
you know, okay. More recently than anything is
43:27
because of some personal events and goings on in my life.
43:31
So right when we hear in divination.
43:33
But yeah, when you're naive and ignorant to the truth behind it
43:37
and you read something out of a book and think, oh, I read it.
43:40
Once I think I got it and I can do it.
43:42
You know how Oh dangerous, that can be towards your soul.
43:44
You know how dangerous that can be to your spirit into your
43:47
psyche? Our God, the people have this
43:50
misconception about our God's being these love and light Gods.
43:53
Because in this whole meal neo-pagan movement, I hate to
43:56
break it to you. People know, they are not loving
43:58
light. They are the gods of War.
44:00
Yes, they do. Have aspects of other things
44:03
that can make them compassionate, but they are A
44:10
very dark energy. They are from a darker place in
44:12
Darker realm Sade, work is known as Shadow work.
44:17
Like, literally the work you do as someone who practices Sade
44:20
High seat and say your ship and who strives to do that.
44:24
It is very dark self-reflective, diving deep within the Cesspool,
44:29
in the pits of the Void, within yourself to build an
44:33
understanding for yourself. And that's not a light.
44:36
Happy place, it's a heavy dark place.
44:40
It's very retrospective. I think the you know so much of
44:43
the darkness is revealing right? And expose like you're exposed.
44:49
Yeah, it's a very like exposing open like again, not like light
44:54
internet sense of like everything is visible, but it's
44:56
very revealing. That's the best allowing us.
44:58
The first thing that comes to mind, when I say it's
45:00
describing, it's like you know, the Dark shows you a lot and
45:06
it's it's again, it's hard to for me at least.
45:10
Said like sit there and describe.
45:12
I'm not good at that sort of thing.
45:13
I'm not like I experienced my own things and I keep it close
45:17
to my heart. So you got folks, like, you and
45:19
my Goethe Dango. We all know, right, we've
45:24
chatted and stuff and he's been a huge help for me because he
45:27
has those years of experience. And he has all that and he's
45:31
kind of like my go-to guy with stuff like this, and he's helped
45:35
me tremendously a lot, you know, kind of shift my Approach, and
45:39
I'm not quite there yet. Yet, you know, like, I talked to
45:41
him about an experience that I had not too long ago, and I've,
45:45
you know, shared it with certain people where I was like, I had
45:50
the intent or the idea. I was trying to reach a certain
45:54
place in my trance work, right. I didn't quite, I didn't feel
45:58
like I got there and that think talking with you right now.
46:01
Like it makes me think like the ego was was Blocking that
46:07
ability to get there but I got close.
46:09
I got up. I got close to a certain point
46:11
like, you know, how you're, you know, navigating through a maze
46:14
and you keep hitting those dead ends.
46:15
Well you made it halfway through her.
46:17
You made it. Three quarters of the way
46:18
through. You just didn't quite get to the
46:19
other side and it's kind of how it felt for me, you know, like I
46:22
made it to a certain point that it just didn't get there yet and
46:26
I'm given time and practice. And that's the thing about it.
46:29
It's literally a practice you're not going to get it on the first
46:32
time you're not going to, you know, just all of a To put it
46:36
in, put it in there for perspective, something that
46:41
other people who are familiar with certain spiritual Concepts
46:45
from other, faiths Native American, Shamanism, true true,
46:48
Shamanism their medicine. People start practicing and
46:54
start learning and start their practice from a very young age
46:57
like five, six years old. They're chosen by the town
47:00
medicine man or woman and they live with them for years and
47:03
they don't become a shaman in Until they're in their 70s or
47:06
80s, they don't fully reach that level of shamanism until their
47:11
wives within their age and have that experience of practice
47:14
every day helping people helping themselves helping their family
47:17
helping people outside of their family on spiritual adjournments
47:21
and things like that. So we have a common problem
47:26
within especially the Norse Pagan Community, where people
47:28
come from, an Eclectic, type background, or Wicca.
47:32
And they think, oh, because I practice witchcraft.
47:35
Any form now that I'm northagen, I'm all of a sudden Ebola or I'm
47:38
all of a sudden the Vicky or I'm all of a sudden the Sade.
47:40
I'm a great Seer if you haven't been practicing this specific
47:44
brand of magic for 35 to 40 years.
47:47
Plus, I hate to break it to. You are not anywhere near the
47:51
level to call yourself a viola or a Vicky or assayed.
47:55
Reason being is because you haven't put in the time and the
47:58
effort to gain the wisdom and the knowledge, and the practice,
48:02
and the discipline in that art form.
48:05
To have somebody else. It wasn't something that you
48:08
would call yourself. I would never in a million
48:10
years, call myself. Yep.
48:11
I'm on a high seat said, I would never call myself that.
48:14
Why? Because I don't ever feel
48:16
worried about other people. They call me that because I help
48:19
guide them through things. But even then, I stopped the
48:21
most of times. They know, I've only been doing
48:23
this for the last 15 years. I've only been practicing saved
48:27
for the last 15 years. Don't call me, don't call me an
48:31
or Shaman because I'm not I'm not going to be there until I'm
48:34
in my 80s and all Got friends. Yeah, but that's a good point
48:38
because like, that's the name, that's the thing that is given
48:40
to you. And that's I think another
48:42
important thing that you don't give these titles to yourself.
48:45
You don't decide one day. I woke up because I had this
48:47
dream or because I had this experience or because of
48:49
whatever that all of a sudden, this is what I am.
48:51
These are these are honorifics or these are things that your
48:54
people, your tribe give to you for the reasons that you have
48:59
proven your worth in that way. So, regardless of the years,
49:03
regardless the time and I fully agree, I mean like it, These
49:05
types of things just don't happen overnight and it takes a
49:07
lifetime to be that thing. Truly, but for in the interim,
49:13
and during that process as we approach that, you know, Elder
49:17
State, you know, the people around us that that see those
49:20
things or that see those traits that want to, you know, let's do
49:25
that title on on individuals, right?
49:28
I mean, well guide and be well versed to know what it is that
49:31
you're implying but that's really You do the thing and you
49:36
become known for that. And that's what, that's what
49:38
it's about, right? The day I the day, I call myself
49:45
and legitimately call myself from a place of ego from a place
49:48
of the I've earned it a master save.
49:52
I want you to slap me. I'll just be like, hold on.
49:56
Let me get into a taxi, we're going over right?
49:58
Let me get on a plane and we fly over there to your location.
50:02
Let me get into another who really knock on your door, we
50:04
doing? You know, you told me and then
50:08
just like that guy, that was my weekend, you know?
50:11
No, but um so I don't want to get like we've gotten off onto
50:15
some really cool discussion. And then this this is like one
50:18
of those things that we could like make a long drawn-out thing
50:21
about and probably not even scratch the surface a lot of
50:24
good stuff but I did want to take some time and in use this
50:28
opportunity that I have you here to really talk about something
50:31
that we chatted a little bit about before we brought you On
50:35
the podcast today and that was this whole concept and notion of
50:42
tear and his position in amongst the aesir gods and his role as
50:47
the you know the chief God. And how Odin overtime kind of
50:52
was the replacement or took that Chief role.
50:57
Oh right, what, what do you have to say about that?
51:00
And where we going to go with that for the last segment of the
51:03
podcast, okay? so the easiest way to break this
51:06
down, is we know historically it's been historically proven
51:10
that before the Scandinavian tribes from you know, Norway
51:14
Iceland more of the northern Germanic regions of the Germanic
51:18
tribes, or Germania started worshipping vote on and later on
51:24
turned him into older than the all-father they worshipped As A
51:28
God Called trig or feel right here or treg was The original
51:35
Chieftain, God of all the Germanic tribes and you see this
51:40
historically when you when you go and do archaeological
51:43
discoveries and you see what's been dug up, you see reference
51:46
to this God named trig or Kia Forte was.
51:51
Yes you see him referenced as their Chieftain?
51:53
God specifically in 98 ad there was a Roman Empire or Emperor
52:01
who was a pagan? It was a romantic.
52:04
Roman Hellenic Pagan who traveled the world and went to
52:10
many different civilizations and recorded.
52:13
What he learned from. The natives of those different
52:16
lands that he traveled to, he wrote about 15 different books
52:19
that were journals, documenting the religions, and the
52:23
lifestyle, and the cultures of the other cultures and peoples
52:27
that he came in contact with and he won't wrote one book
52:29
specifically called the Germania The Germania talks about Prague
52:36
or kiowas as the chief can God and he makes some some obvious
52:40
correlations to his own religion because he's Roman and he's been
52:43
doing the best you can compare things, but he makes some
52:47
obvious comparisons to Mars. Their Chieftain.
52:50
God in Rome at the time, their god of war.
52:53
And that's, that's what Craig was.
52:54
He was their Chief in God and God of War.
52:56
So they made some some obvious comparisons there.
52:59
But if you read between the lines in his His book.
53:02
You see this very clear painted picture of the original
53:09
Chieftain. God tier, we know from The Vedic
53:12
texts not snore, he's version not snore, he's translation, but
53:16
from the Codex Rejects and older documents that have been found
53:19
in older, Graves gravesites, finds statues and things that
53:24
tear was originally worshipped in.
53:26
Scandinavia is the original Chief in God.
53:29
We know that tear had a father and He was a second generation
53:33
God from the yotan line, right? We know that bothan it was a
53:38
younger God known as votan at the same time, that tear was a
53:42
Chieftain. God votan was a god of knowledge
53:46
and a god of wisdom. That was a younger deity at the
53:50
exact same time in Germania. That tear was the chieftain God.
53:54
So, the concept that I've come up with which I'm sure some
53:59
people have heard, some people probably haven't is We know that
54:03
othon became the all-father. We know that he took up that
54:08
mantle in that title we know that all.
54:10
Father is a title. We know that for sure that it
54:12
sits idle. So here we have tear, who's the
54:17
original all father. He's the one who holds that king
54:20
of all the gods that yotan before, the aesir, before the
54:23
mayor, the Vaughn are. And before there was
54:27
classifications of the different ranks and classifications of
54:30
those two different types of Gods.
54:32
We have here. Who is the father of all the
54:35
gods? All the Yoda, we know that Odin
54:37
is a yotan. We know he is because his father
54:39
and mother were getting his grandfather was one of the first
54:43
golden beings licked up from the great bovine from the edge of
54:46
the Brine and GAP. She was yotan.
54:48
His grandfather and grandmother will reopen.
54:51
What if I were to tell you that the translation of Tears, father
54:56
from the eddas is a mistranslation based off of the
54:59
way that the ruins are translated.
55:02
When they're written from left to right and sneaking through
55:05
their certain key markers Within the Ruins that they used to
55:08
signify. Okay, this is the start of a new
55:10
paragraph, or this is the start of a name, or this is a
55:12
statement. There's evidence is that we've
55:16
come up with from looking at the Codex rejects, where we found
55:21
certain marker points, that you can barely make out the marker
55:24
point because the Rune Stone itself has been worn away.
55:28
And you can see, you can just see the edge of the market Point
55:31
stating that it's A new statement rather than a complete
55:34
statement, which brings me in my team, go these to the
55:39
realization that here passed down his mantle of all father,
55:45
2011 after Odin sacrificed himself for knowledge and became
55:49
the all-seer. So, the name us here, AES IR
55:54
means Children of the all-seer. If you break that down, if you
55:59
break it back down into Iceland, it means one of the all-seer
56:03
Odin is the original all-seer. All-father.
56:08
Right. The line that tier comes from,
56:12
there's the Uhn Uhn gear, the on gear God's which for the jotuns
56:17
in Old Germanic tongue, hung dear Vanya means, descendant of
56:22
on gear. So tear steps down when Odin
56:29
becomes the all-seer because his little nephew or his little
56:32
cousin in either his nephew years cousin one of the two,
56:37
there's still some debate on exactly which one it was,
56:40
whether he was his nephew or his cousin, they're related.
56:44
He's a younger is a younger related deity to him becomes the
56:48
all-father Aftercare steps down some hands and the mantle now
56:52
get this The children of tear and his followers from the on
56:58
gear are pissed. Because now, you have this new
57:01
God, whose now doesn't have the right to be the chieftain of the
57:04
Gods stepping up and renaming the gods who live with him in
57:07
the high amounts as the aesir. This is where you get the term.
57:12
The aesir, and vanir War. This Is Where It Starts
57:15
jealousy, competition irritation, why did you give up
57:18
your mantle tear stays behind to help guide Odin because he You
57:24
can him because he wanted to make sure he would be a just
57:27
ruler. He felt, he was wise enough to
57:30
step up to the mantle and he stepped down.
57:32
So why would he be angry and leave and follow his followers?
57:35
The volume here, he would stay in Asgard and continue on his
57:39
work now adopted into the Asgardian family, right?
57:45
The aesir as an Asgardian, as an affair class staying behind to
57:50
help coach and you see this throughout the eddas even in
57:53
snores translation, we're here gives woden All the counsel, he
58:00
gives him counsel all the time. You see it in The Binding of
58:04
finra where kheer advise other than against it.
58:08
Advise, if you're going to do this, let me be the one to do
58:11
this. Let me be the one to raise him
58:13
and take him. So he's not a harm to you and
58:15
doesn't freak you out. Long story short, he ends up
58:18
getting his hand bit off, but him into your brain, trust,
58:21
right? Yeah, they yeah, so that's it,
58:24
that's it. It's your thing.
58:26
I'm, I'm absorbing all this and I don't mean to cut you.
58:28
You up. But like, that's a really
58:29
interesting take on it because the yotan, the, the hunger Gods
58:34
like their gods, their they're not add if they're just a
58:36
different race of gods, you know, and they may be later on
58:42
during the like the way the mythology evolved over time, you
58:45
know, they became these agents of chaos seeking to destroy,
58:49
whereas the aesir, were the figure of order, right?
58:52
The figures of order because that's how the society was being
58:54
built at the time was, you know, Order versus chaos, this whole
58:59
world view of the universe is constantly.
59:02
And, you know, entropy and all this other, all these other
59:05
things that we know now in today in terms but that they just
59:08
lived and experienced and then personified through there,
59:12
through the gods and then how it evolved in times really
59:14
interesting though, like I'm really captivated with the with
59:19
the analysis of it all and thinking about like how these
59:22
titles came about because I remember I don't know, I'm not a
59:24
linguist but I also remember seeing at some point that You
59:28
know this all father name or title may not necessarily be the
59:33
most accurate translation of that word because it's all
59:35
father you it's all fuzzy here in Old Norse which is not all
59:39
father. It's it means something totally
59:41
different but began with the influences of snorri and the
59:45
christianization of the period and how the mythology evolved
59:48
and trying to retain those myths.
59:49
But also move into the new Christian religion that that
59:55
took over Scandinavia how That kind of like fit it.
1:00:00
Fit the the demographic that was that was at the time moving away
1:00:05
from the old world paganism, that existed the old ways into
1:00:09
the new Right. Exactly world.
1:00:13
So so much of our religion has been washed over or lost.
1:00:20
I mean, I know snorri was a bit of a historian, he like to try
1:00:24
to keep as much historically accurate as possible, but he was
1:00:27
also a Catholic and let's face it.
1:00:29
He was a Christian priest. Monk, who obviously had a duty
1:00:35
to the church to add his own influence and swaying
1:00:39
perspective on the other people's James and you see this
1:00:41
time and time again, with other works, that story has written
1:00:44
where he came in contact with the Inuit people of the original
1:00:49
indigenous people who are in Iceland before the Scandinavians
1:00:52
got there, he took their religion and documented it and
1:00:56
made a lot of christianisation and a lot of changes to words
1:01:00
and meanings behind words and what they were actually
1:01:03
practicing as far as their animistic faith and change
1:01:06
perceptions on it. They're all snoring man.
1:01:12
Well, people people forget that, that's Nori wrote a lot more
1:01:16
than just the etic texts. Yeah.
1:01:19
He, he wrote a lot whole lot of different text on different
1:01:24
religions and different peoples and different historical things.
1:01:27
So and that's the other thing, too.
1:01:30
Like I see people are I'm new to this path.
1:01:32
Where do I start? And everybody's like the eddas
1:01:35
you know read the poetic Edda, get the prose Edda read the that
1:01:38
unlike those are myths, man. Those are those are that's Or
1:01:41
right. Really want to get down to the
1:01:44
fundamentals or whatever. I mean, there's way more to
1:01:47
learn from than just myth even in stories because it all still.
1:01:51
They came from somewhere, right? They originated from something
1:01:55
in an eye, it's great. Yeah, I mean, I'll take anything
1:01:58
away from that but it's yeah, it to me.
1:02:00
It's not it's not going to teach you how to practice or be this,
1:02:05
you know. Like that's there is that
1:02:07
they're great for what they are, right.
1:02:10
But They are not for is for learning anything about this
1:02:14
religion from a, from a practicing standpoint, from
1:02:16
practical, I would say to any new Pagan out there is wanting
1:02:21
to learn Norse paganism. The best places to start your
1:02:25
journey on it. Yeah, go ahead and get get
1:02:28
copies of the prose Edda and the poetic Edda, dr.
1:02:32
Jackson Crawford has a really really solid translation of
1:02:36
Vedic texts in the hall them all, as well as the whole
1:02:39
summer. Um, that's going to give you a
1:02:42
basic idea of the myths and get you kind of familiar with kind
1:02:46
of the personalities of the gods, and their their trials,
1:02:49
and their triumphs and things like that.
1:02:51
But if you want to get dive deeper into the more spiritual
1:02:55
aspect of it, I urge you guys to look up history.
1:02:59
Look up the history on the North's.
1:03:00
People, look at their clothing. Look at their art.
1:03:04
Look at their music instruments. Look at their tools, and their
1:03:07
weaponry, and their lifestyle, and try.
1:03:10
I to get yourself into a place. Why would I use these tools in
1:03:15
this way? Well, because of the region.
1:03:17
I'm from the beliefs that I have, why was my Society in the
1:03:20
laws in my Society, set up a certain way, because of the
1:03:23
everyday beliefs that they had me.
1:03:25
Look at old Norwegian law. For instance, you're allowed to
1:03:29
kill your neighbor. If you have a beef with them but
1:03:32
you can't pass the fourth house on the for Palace.
1:03:35
If you go to pass it, you're going to you're going to be hung
1:03:37
or you're going to be put to death or bloody gold or kicked
1:03:40
out of it. Unity for murder.
1:03:42
So there's, there's a cultural reason and that cultural reason
1:03:45
is also spiritual reason. There you have to remember,
1:03:48
their spirituality was ingrained in their everyday life because
1:03:52
they were so animistic, everything, they did fishing
1:03:56
hunting making clothes building a house, raising farm animals,
1:04:02
everything you all of it, everything they did, they
1:04:04
Incorporated their spiritual side to everything fishing?
1:04:07
They would leave offerings. The bank's tenured the Freeman
1:04:11
in the fishermen to bring the fishermen home in to allow a
1:04:14
good harvest of fish from the sea.
1:04:16
So they can be plentiful and feed their their family.
1:04:19
Everything they did praying when they, when they would bend a
1:04:22
knee and do blot ritual basic blot.
1:04:26
It's a very spiritual experience.
1:04:28
So if you want to get a good idea of heathen, spirituality,
1:04:32
rather than just the faiths in the Mythos, read some history
1:04:35
books on pre Viking age and Viking age Villages, and Look at
1:04:41
their laws. Look at the things that we did.
1:04:43
Look at the Feats of the people in the reasons behind why they
1:04:46
did these things. And that'll give you a good
1:04:48
understanding of how the spirituality fits into the
1:04:52
day-to-day life. And a lot of people don't even
1:04:53
realize this. If you're living honorably, if
1:04:56
you're living with integrity and standing true to your beliefs
1:05:00
and not doing anything that could cause harm to other people
1:05:04
without reason and stuff like that, you're already Farther
1:05:08
Along on that spiritual walk of being heathen.
1:05:11
Oh yeah, I I say it a lot. You know, I have very close
1:05:16
friends but even people who have bestowed kinship titles on and
1:05:19
who in turn referred to me in kinship titles that they're not
1:05:24
Pagan that I can see. Like they don't they don't
1:05:27
believe the same thing. They don't follow the same
1:05:29
spirituality. They have their own
1:05:30
spirituality, but the way they live.
1:05:32
It's like you're the most Pagan on Pagan, that I know because of
1:05:35
the way you behave in because of the way you act, it's like it
1:05:38
doesn't those those Don't just mean the, oh, that's a pagan,
1:05:42
but that's a pagan way of life. Like it may be the way those
1:05:45
pagans at the time lived and conducted themselves, but
1:05:48
doesn't mean that it's inherently Pagan, you know, and
1:05:51
so much of what we can learn. Like you say that, you know,
1:05:53
historical. A lot of people, forget how many
1:05:56
sagas there are that, you know, you look at some of those things
1:05:59
that aren't part of like the Codex Regis or the for The Vedic
1:06:02
texts and read some of my songs. Yeah, the book of the icelanders
1:06:07
prime example, that's And different personal private
1:06:12
journals from people from the Viking age.
1:06:14
And yeah, before the Viking age writing down their personal
1:06:19
experience in their day-to-day stuff.
1:06:20
It's some of its stupid stuff. Like I went outside, it was
1:06:24
cold. I went back inside and made tea
1:06:26
and some of us just like that, family sagas are great, you
1:06:30
know. Yeah.
1:06:31
Other things in it are detailed about their spiritual practice.
1:06:34
Oh, the moon was out. So I praised money and I left
1:06:37
offerings. And I left this by the seashore
1:06:39
and stacked rocks. You know, and that's so much
1:06:44
that we lost to overtime. Just those, you know, family
1:06:47
practices those cultic practices that were kind of bound and
1:06:51
reserved to the close family unit.
1:06:55
We, you know, I talked to people nowadays, who have a very
1:06:59
spatial concept of their Heathen rewrite.
1:07:02
It's not just what we're doing. You know, with this one
1:07:07
particular thing, it's the space around us and it's, and it's
1:07:10
Making that and building it into their own myth, their family,
1:07:14
miss their family sagas and I'm like, I love that more.
1:07:16
We need more of that because we are in Saga times and these are
1:07:20
the moments that will shape what our descendants see and learn
1:07:27
from. And what are we doing now, to,
1:07:29
to kind of be that Source material for them?
1:07:32
And then how are we living up to the, you know, the our ancestors
1:07:36
legacies and perpetuating that and continuing to feed the well,
1:07:40
We like to we like to say in and we are the new ancestors.
1:07:45
Maybe. I mean yeah.
1:07:46
Good example. Yeah.
1:07:48
It's more truth than poetry to it for sure.
1:07:51
And, and just know to, for all those new pagans out there that
1:07:56
paganism is so much more Norse paganism in particular so much
1:08:00
more than just learning how to read the ruins and doing a
1:08:03
binder own magic thing and leaving a prayer to the gods.
1:08:06
It's that is. Oh yeah, it is.
1:08:08
That's not even. I wouldn't even consider.
1:08:10
That part of Norse paganism to be honest.
1:08:13
I mean it is but that's not gonna make it part of it.
1:08:15
You can make it part of it. But yeah, you're right.
1:08:19
The magic side and sorcery and Witchcraft everyone.
1:08:22
So like drawn to of Norse paganism, that's not what Norse
1:08:26
paganism is. That's a glit a little tiny
1:08:28
bullet into part of it and not everyone who was back then, and
1:08:33
is today, practices nor sorcery and practices ruin readings, and
1:08:37
stuff like that, and shouldn't 100%.
1:08:40
Agree, right? You not that they didn't and
1:08:43
they shouldn't. And I'm glad that I was one of
1:08:45
those types when I first came into North Sea than read.
1:08:48
Like I was not one of those ones that was infatuated with Rune,
1:08:51
magic, or reading the runes. Hell, I didn't even pick up my
1:08:54
first Rune said and do anything that way until several years
1:08:58
into my faith. You know what I mean?
1:09:00
And it wasn't something. I'm like, well, it's been x
1:09:02
amount of time. I'm ready.
1:09:03
No, it was something that came to me in my own time through a
1:09:07
vision. That was like, nope.
1:09:09
It was literally like allowed Loud smack.
1:09:11
You know, like almost like a thunder clap.
1:09:12
Like this is what you got to do. Rice is where you got it.
1:09:15
So that was my UPG. That's my personal experience.
1:09:18
I've alluded to it. I've talked about it a lot on my
1:09:20
different platforms, but that was what brought me to that
1:09:23
point. It wasn't just like, Oh, I'm a
1:09:24
pagan now, I should do this and you're not supposed to do that
1:09:28
if you if if that's not really what you've been drawn to do,
1:09:31
don't Don't Force It. Don't think that you have to now
1:09:33
because well it's what I am now. It's not part of it.
1:09:37
That that's not how it works, right?
1:09:40
So I want to give everyone a quick glip.
1:09:44
I'm not afraid to show my Pagan altar my Norse Pagan altar that
1:09:48
I do my well, special awesome stuff.
1:09:51
So this is a little dirty right now.
1:09:54
This is a blip into my Norse Pagan altar.
1:09:59
That is very impressive. Actually I love the the antlers
1:10:05
and Just everything. You got the furs.
1:10:10
Very nice. I'm sure it's not been the same
1:10:14
either over the years. I'm sure you've it's kind of
1:10:16
evolved into it has. Now, it has changed.
1:10:19
It has changed has evolved into new things, I have different,
1:10:23
different things I use for different blots different
1:10:26
different tools. Most people probably wouldn't
1:10:31
even realize you could use certain things as a tools for
1:10:33
your, your Pagan practice communicating with the gods.
1:10:37
I mean, I have a war-horn that I use to trumpet, too.
1:10:42
Hindu, likhna Heimdall I called to him.
1:10:47
I can call him right now. The audio is not going to fully
1:10:59
like you're not going to be able to fully appreciate that,
1:11:01
everybody listening and watching, but like that that
1:11:02
initial blast was probably the best as it's going to get.
1:11:05
And then it kind of like trailed off at the end, but that's not
1:11:08
something that you can experience fully and appreciate
1:11:10
fully unless you're in person because it does it like it
1:11:13
reaches deep into like your, your core man.
1:11:17
And I thank you for sharing. That was that was really
1:11:19
special. But very welcome.
1:11:23
Thank you for allowing me to blast that loud thing.
1:11:26
Yeah, yeah. Not me.
1:11:27
Never. Never.
1:11:28
Never. Never.
1:11:29
Going to turn down something like that, man.
1:11:30
For sure, you know. But yeah, no, this was great.
1:11:35
I think I think we've got a lot to share with everybody.
1:11:38
So I hope you know, everyone who's listened and tuned in
1:11:41
tuned into the premiere today, because, you know, this is going
1:11:43
out for everybody watching right now, on the morning of Thursday,
1:11:48
Thursday, and interestingly enough.
1:11:51
We are the day after the historical Reckoning of winter
1:11:55
nights. So the night before, this airs
1:11:57
will have been the first night of Vikram, not there, the winter
1:12:00
nights in the old ways and then in the old time's it was, you
1:12:03
know, it was winter and summer, that was it.
1:12:04
There was no Four Seasons in the north.
1:12:07
You know, you had times when it was warm and times for Harvest
1:12:10
and rating and doing whatever else.
1:12:12
And then there was a times where you just hunkered down and
1:12:13
didn't die or tried not to. And now we're getting into those
1:12:17
months. People were hitting into those
1:12:19
those dark times and You know, I hold my own, you know, winter
1:12:25
nights thing. So this is that this is, will
1:12:26
this will be night too. When this goes, this comes out
1:12:29
and everybody that's, you know, watching in part of it.
1:12:30
So for anybody that practices in that sort of way, or observes
1:12:36
like the historical calendar of things, you know, have a safe
1:12:40
and prosperous winter months, coming up in a safe, winter
1:12:43
nights celebration. So to the folks at Nan's Liam,
1:12:47
you know, you guys, you know, good winter nights to you all up
1:12:50
there and then In the Pacific Northwest and and stuff.
1:12:53
So yeah, I think we'll wrap it up.
1:12:55
You have any parting words for anybody?
1:12:57
Everybody out here listening and watching before we send this off
1:13:00
into the yeah, nine Realms. Sure May the gods bless your
1:13:06
mind so that you may always know the truth.
1:13:08
May they bless your site so that you may always see the path
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before you and they bless your tongue so that you may always
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speak clearly and honestly, and they bless your heart so that
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you may feel the blood pumping through your veins and feel
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life. Within you may they bless your
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hands so that you can keep on the work, may they bless your
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navel so that you can continue to be full and well fed.
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So you can feed Others, May they bless your loin so that you can
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be fruitful and they bless your feet to the, you may stay true
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to the Past. You were on hail well spoken,
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sir. So thank you for joining me.
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Don't go too far real quick. Before we end this I'm going to
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just talk with you for a few but very very well-spoken and really
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meaningful work. So yes to everyone listening and
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supporting check the show notes or the description for the
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website information that Liam talked about earlier, all of
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man's information where to find them how to, you know, become
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part of their Community is going to be linked down there, up
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there over here, wherever it's going to be.
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So check it all out, see if it fits you.
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So until we all talk again, hail to you all stay safe and we'll
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see you next time.