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INTERVIEW: Gucci Mane & Keyshia Ka'oir Open Up About Schizophrenia, Controlling Mental Health Episodes + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: I don't know every day waiting click your ass up
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  Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm finished for y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Dune Morning.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ n V, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the God.
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  Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club. Nona Roses here as well.
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  Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, we got Gucci Mains.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome. How y'all feeling, y'all look amazing?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you?
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  Speaker 1: New book out episodes. Yes, man, I thoroughly enjoyed your book,
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  Speaker 1: Gucci Man, because you know, we give people props when
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  Speaker 1: we were younger for being real and with a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things that we say is real. It's like when
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  Speaker 1: somebody gangster with somebody, you know, we call them tough.
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  Speaker 1: But to me, the most realist thing you can do
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  Speaker 1: is you get older, just be vulnerable, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and going to journey of healing and share
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  Speaker 1: that journey with people. And you definitely did that in
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  Speaker 1: this book.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 4: I always see you talking about mental health while be
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  Speaker 4: listening to y'all.
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  Speaker 2: You always championing mentsal health, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: So that's my I said, make sure y'all get that
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  Speaker 4: book to Charlagne before I come up there.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely I knew he was gonna read it. Absolutely, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So what got you to the point where he said,
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  Speaker 3: this is the time to share the story because most
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  Speaker 3: people will say, like, you know, I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: share that story. It might be embarrassing, it might make
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  Speaker 3: me look this way. But you were open and completely
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  Speaker 3: open about it. What got you to that point was like,
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  Speaker 3: this is the.
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  Speaker 4: Time I had when I had an episode in like
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  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen or twenty twenty round COVID, and that was
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  Speaker 4: just like like after that, I was like, man, I
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  Speaker 4: gotta really just hold myself accountable and take care of
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  Speaker 4: my health. I don't never want to have an episode again.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm gonna se a therapist if I had
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  Speaker 4: to take medicine. I just I kind of like through
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  Speaker 4: the chidland, like you know what I need to do
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  Speaker 4: to get better. I just did never want to have
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  Speaker 4: that happen again. And then my wife was pregnant with
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  Speaker 4: my little but I'm like, I don't never want to
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to raise a family, and then my
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  Speaker 4: mental health gone with.
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  Speaker 2: If I have an episode, I can't come back from you.
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  Speaker 4: Know what, I'm saying, so I just like starting to
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  Speaker 4: do the work and like started seeking the help.
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  Speaker 1: Keisha, I'm glad you here because we always have conversations
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  Speaker 1: about the people who have to deal with the individuals
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  Speaker 1: with the mental mental health issues. It feels like nobody
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  Speaker 1: else speaks to y'all.
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  Speaker 5: It's tough.
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  Speaker 3: What what made you not run? Because you could have ran,
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  Speaker 3: You could have been like, I'm not the same for me,
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  Speaker 3: but you stood ten toes down and said I'm gone.
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  Speaker 5: I experienced him going through episodes before we were married,
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  Speaker 5: and I was like, man, somebody gotta help this guy.
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  Speaker 5: It was really, really bad. It's really sad because you're
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  Speaker 5: seeing someone you don't know. They're saying things to you
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  Speaker 5: that are disrespectful, so mean, and you have to just like,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm not talking to Gucci, who is this person?
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  Speaker 5: So I felt like if I left, he wouldn't have
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  Speaker 5: been the same. He needed someone to help him. And
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  Speaker 5: then when we were supposed to get married, someone said
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  Speaker 5: to me, you know you're gonna have to deal with
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  Speaker 5: this through your marriage, right, And I'm like, I'm cool
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  Speaker 5: with it. I'm going to fix him.
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  Speaker 6: You know how heavy was that for you?
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  Speaker 1: Though?
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  Speaker 7: Because the fixing isn't like an overnight thing. I saw Gucci,
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  Speaker 7: you did a big facts and you were talking about
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  Speaker 7: how one time you said to him, I should record
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  Speaker 7: this so that you can see, because he wouldn't even
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  Speaker 7: remember some of the things he was doing, but it
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  Speaker 7: would like you'd be like, oh my god, Like what's
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  Speaker 7: happening right now?
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  Speaker 6: How heavy was it in the press? Just trying to
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  Speaker 6: help him get back.
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  Speaker 5: It was one point I had to just go on
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  Speaker 5: my knees and pray because it's like he's like, I
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  Speaker 5: don't like you. I mean, the things he would say
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  Speaker 5: are really really bad, and I just have to like
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  Speaker 5: take a deep breath. Like I said, I'm not talking
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  Speaker 5: to you right now. You want to sit here and
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  Speaker 5: be crazy alone, I'm not going to allow you to
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  Speaker 5: be crazy alone. So like I have to like set
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  Speaker 5: a plan up. Like at one point I called his attorney,
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  Speaker 5: I called some bodyguards, and I just planned a whole
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  Speaker 5: kidnap and we kidnapped him and took him to the
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  Speaker 5: hospital because we could not get him to the hospital.
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  Speaker 5: But he was trying to fight them and everything, but
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  Speaker 5: it was six of them. He couldn't handle it, and
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  Speaker 5: we threw him in the car. He would try to
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  Speaker 5: jump out the car, so we put him in the
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  Speaker 5: center of the car, you know. And that was like
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  Speaker 5: his last episode.
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  Speaker 2: When you go to the Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: But they they try to do things where he could
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  Speaker 5: sign himself out, and I'm like, he's not signed. Like
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  Speaker 5: I'm stern with them. He's not signing himself out. I'm
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  Speaker 5: his wife and I'm his far of attorney. He ain't
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  Speaker 5: going nowhere like I have to be strict. It's kind
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  Speaker 5: of like you have to go in mother mode, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and put your foot down.
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  Speaker 3: Were you ever scared?
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't. Never scared he would hurt me. People were
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  Speaker 5: scared for me. But it's a scary moment.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Because I asked her that what she's scared. She
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  Speaker 2: was like, I'm not scared of you.
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  Speaker 5: I tell him all the time doing it, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: scared of you. So you we gonna figure this out,
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  Speaker 5: Like I have to get gangster with him because he
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  Speaker 5: and I'm like, all right, we gonna see. Let's do this,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 1: And the ice Cream Fever Dreams chapter Gus, you said
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  Speaker 1: that the only you said when you need help, the
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  Speaker 1: only person you can rely on is yourself. Yes, Why
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  Speaker 1: did you feel that way in that moment.
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  Speaker 4: Because that's how I felt, especially with like you're really
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  Speaker 4: the only person you can like, you gotta do the.
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  Speaker 2: Work yourself, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: If you want to like really get better, people can
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  Speaker 4: want it for you, but you still.
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  Speaker 2: Gotta want it more than they do.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You gotta want You gotta
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  Speaker 4: do the work. You gotta live with it, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So that's probably why I said that.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I asked is because you start the book
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  Speaker 1: off talking about Big and you know, you and Ke
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  Speaker 1: should definitely help Big Scar in that moment when he
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  Speaker 1: was having an episode. Yes, I mean you did help somebody.
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  Speaker 4: I was trying my best to save a scar. I
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  Speaker 4: was trying my best to save a Scar, and like
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  Speaker 4: even he was a big inspiration for the book as well.
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  Speaker 4: But what was like when I reached out to my
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  Speaker 4: writing the co writer Cat on writing a book. I
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  Speaker 4: was telling her about you know, like how High helped
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  Speaker 4: Scart and you know, my wife was talking to me,
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  Speaker 4: but she was on like I wouldn't even let Scott
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  Speaker 4: know that she was telling me the stuff to tell
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  Speaker 4: him it Like while we writing a book, like discussing
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  Speaker 4: the book and just going over how we're gonna make it.
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  Speaker 4: Scott died, so I hear her like, you know, Scott
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  Speaker 4: had passed away. It was all it went for him
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  Speaker 4: being an inspiration before I can't finish the book.
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  Speaker 2: He passed away. So that was just super deep and
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  Speaker 2: it made me like, I gotta do this.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta even be more vulnerable because I'm gonna help
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  Speaker 4: people that I don't even know I was, because I
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  Speaker 4: was trying to help somebody who was so close to me,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: And I didn't even and I didn't succeed.
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  Speaker 3: You know when you break down in the book that
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  Speaker 3: September thirteenth episode, right, yeah, and you said you don't
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  Speaker 3: even remember a lot of the things that you said.
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  Speaker 3: Did you have to go back and say, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: let me fix some of those situations? And who did
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  Speaker 3: you called first to say let me fix that? Cause
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  Speaker 3: we were on there that morning and we just remember
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  Speaker 3: it's like damn Gucci just going crazy on everybody. And
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  Speaker 3: the sad and the sad thing about it is for
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  Speaker 3: media pressed. It's like that's goal at first, like oh, this,
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  Speaker 3: that and the other, but then when you sit back
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  Speaker 3: and look at it, like damn, Like maybe we shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have went that hard and promoted because we can see
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  Speaker 3: now he was going through episode.
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  Speaker 1: So the first question in the book about the media
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  Speaker 1: that yeah, But the answer envin.
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  Speaker 4: I was super embarrassed and hurt by the things I
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  Speaker 4: said because like I wasn't well then, right, So then
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  Speaker 4: I got locked up. So a lot of those people
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  Speaker 4: who I was saying stuff too, they were like, I ain't.
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  Speaker 4: They never gonna mess with me no more. So even
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  Speaker 4: when I got out three years later, I still was like,
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  Speaker 4: I apologize to Ross, Drake NICKI like all them people
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  Speaker 4: accepting my apologies.
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  Speaker 2: They just don't know.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a weight off my shoulders because I had
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  Speaker 4: been like cause I was wrong, Like Ross hadn't did
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  Speaker 4: nothing but helped me, you know what I'm saying. And
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  Speaker 4: I said something about him burg Man that all this
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  Speaker 4: stuff me, why would I say something about him? So
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  Speaker 4: I felt bad, you know what I'm saying. I felt
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  Speaker 4: terribly bad and it was just e me. It was
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  Speaker 4: like it was super heavy on me, you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying. So I apologize to everybody everybody that would
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  Speaker 4: aceept my apology. That I apologize everybody who would accept
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  Speaker 4: my call. I apologize to you. Just think anybody who
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  Speaker 4: I was dissing, I apologize to.
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  Speaker 1: When you see artists doing that, now, do you know
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  Speaker 1: exactly what they're going through?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, we were like since it's going through episode, I
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  Speaker 4: can see it because because I'd have been through it,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I be feeling sorry for him, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But because I see the media,
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  Speaker 4: they just go with it like this person like mad
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  Speaker 4: or they being you know, like mean or whatever. But
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  Speaker 4: they be like going through something really mental. It'd be
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  Speaker 4: some mental health stuff going on.
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  Speaker 3: Do you reach out to any of those artists.
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  Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, did I reach out now? I
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  Speaker 4: don't do a lot of reaching out because some of them,
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  Speaker 4: like I feel like they wouldn't be accepting of it,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: But because you know, you wouldn't be accepted at the
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  Speaker 3: point at that.
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  Speaker 2: Time, Yeah, at that point you can't. You can't really
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  Speaker 2: talk to them like that.
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  Speaker 4: But like my wife said, I wish I could talk
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  Speaker 4: to the people that know them to tell them how
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  Speaker 4: to help them.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: I tried to reach out to Kim when Kanye was
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  Speaker 5: going through an episode. It bothered me so much, but
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  Speaker 5: I don't know her and I didn't want to feel
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  Speaker 5: like a groupie. Yeah, so I tried to send messages
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  Speaker 5: to people. I never succeeded, but this was during their marriage.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, I want to talk to her so bad,
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  Speaker 5: like I can help you, but I never was successful.
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  Speaker 7: We talked about that on air the other day because
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  Speaker 7: she sat down with call Her Daddy and talked about
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  Speaker 7: what it was like on the inside by also trying
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  Speaker 7: to protect their public image and the way she thought
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  Speaker 7: people would look at her if she decided to leave.
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  Speaker 6: For you, what was it like, I mean talking about Kim?
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  Speaker 7: What was it like just trying to protect the business
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  Speaker 7: that you guys have built.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, I have a sisterly. I take his apps off
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  Speaker 5: his phone. First thing I do. I delete Instagram, I
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  Speaker 5: delete everything. Even if I got to change his password,
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  Speaker 5: I'm changing it because I don't need the public to
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  Speaker 5: know he's having an episode. You realize you'd never know
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  Speaker 5: about any other episodes since September thirteen because I control
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  Speaker 5: that Because you're not going on Instagram, You're not going
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  Speaker 5: on Twitter. It's deleted, you know, and I just control
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  Speaker 5: everything at home and now before the episodes come, I
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  Speaker 5: catch it. So that's why he hasn't had another one.
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  Speaker 5: And how you catch that is he doesn't speak to you,
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  Speaker 5: he wants to be left alone.
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  Speaker 6: He don't eat, he.
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  Speaker 5: Does not sleep. Text messages, there's a period after each word,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm like, you're going through an episode. You're sick. No,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not, ain't not wrong with me? Why do you
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  Speaker 5: think that you're not speaking to me? Well, there's nothing
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  Speaker 5: to talk about. I said, well, that's not how you
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  Speaker 5: speak to your wife. And I'm like, you're sick and
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  Speaker 5: we snap out of it right then?
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  Speaker 2: Wow?
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  Speaker 1: Wow, you know we heard him this week say how
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  Speaker 1: Kanye just used to give away they calls and stuff
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  Speaker 1: and he would go through episodes and in the book
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  Speaker 1: you talk about you just used to be giving away stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I gave away your money.
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  Speaker 4: You want to cost so much? How much cost for Jerr?
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  Speaker 4: I ga't waste. I would give my friends jeried and
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  Speaker 4: like like they know I went, well, they'll take it.
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  Speaker 4: I felt like, damn the I know I was something's
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  Speaker 4: going on with me, but they'll take it. So like
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  Speaker 4: when I got out of jail, like I cut off
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  Speaker 4: all my friends, my old friends. I'm like, damn never
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  Speaker 4: taking advantage. You know what I'm saying, it was great
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  Speaker 4: taking the fan I'm giving away money.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what the psychology is behind that, Like why
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  Speaker 1: when you going through an episode you.
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  Speaker 2: Give away money and I don't know, you don't care
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  Speaker 2: now in your mind.
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  Speaker 4: Because the money don't it's not You're kind of like
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  Speaker 4: in a warp world. It's almost like it's a psychosis,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. It's not you're dealing with
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  Speaker 4: stuff like hearing voices. Yeah, you know, and you're hearing
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  Speaker 4: voices too, like it's telling you that you know. You
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  Speaker 4: might think that Charlotte is trying to I might think
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  Speaker 4: that you're trying to fight me. You ain't even did nothing.
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  Speaker 1: We'd be like, bro, I.
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  Speaker 4: Ain't doing nothing to tell you what's wrong, Like I'll
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  Speaker 4: be trying to fight you, Lae man, like you did this.
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  Speaker 2: You know what you did? You stole something from me.
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  Speaker 2: He'd be like.
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  Speaker 4: Nothing, But in my mind, I'm like, it's the truth.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what I used.
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  Speaker 1: To deal with. How did therapy in the self work
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  Speaker 1: change your relationship with anger? And like, do you still
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  Speaker 1: wrestle with that same in a voice that you talk
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  Speaker 1: about throughout the book.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. It's like I seen a therapist.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta got ah so taking medicine to prescribed for
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  Speaker 4: me and what she thought, and it worked and I
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  Speaker 4: happened had any other problems.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I always wondered when when people have episodes,
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  Speaker 3: what sparks it?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes you know, you see homie from the hood and
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  Speaker 3: they'll say it's some bad weed, or they'll say it's
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  Speaker 3: some lean or what it was. So I always wondered,
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  Speaker 3: do you know what sparked the episodes?
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  Speaker 4: I think drug use, stress and stress not sleeping combined.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't just like, Okay, I drank the lane.
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  Speaker 4: It was also I'm drinking line and I had like
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  Speaker 4: five or six charges open cases. So I was so
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  Speaker 4: stretched out. So you know, I'm going to the studio
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  Speaker 4: and work. I got all these artists' instead of working hard,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So from the outside looking in,
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  Speaker 4: you think that I'm not phased about it, But it's
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  Speaker 4: almost like I pushed the cases out of my mind.
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  Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, But it's still a stress.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm just not dealing with I'm not talking about it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just like acting like it's never gonna happen, like
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  Speaker 4: court not gonna never happen. But that's a big stress.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm stead of drinking line, smoking weed, taking pills
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  Speaker 4: to kind of know them that and then one day
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  Speaker 4: it's just like scroub to break the camera back boom.
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  Speaker 2: Now my mind can't take it.
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  Speaker 3: And so what gets dialed down? Because you said sometimes
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  Speaker 3: now you look at him and say, I could see
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  Speaker 3: an episode coming there? Is it stressed now? Because I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the craziest the best thing I heard about Gucci that
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  Speaker 3: I was like, damn, I'm like Gucci. He was like, Gucci,
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  Speaker 3: go to sleep at eight o'clock, nine o'clock. You tired.
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  Speaker 3: Nine o'clock. I'll be like, kids are time to go
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  Speaker 3: to sleep. I'll be tired too. But what gets you
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  Speaker 3: to that episode?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 2: When I had the.
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  Speaker 4: Episode in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, it was COVID that
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  Speaker 4: really just messed me up. And then another thing what
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  Speaker 4: triggered the episode was I got my teeth done and
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  Speaker 4: they put me on the anesthesia and the drugs messed
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  Speaker 4: me up.
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  Speaker 2: When I came from an understegia.
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  Speaker 4: I was having an episode flipping out, and I'm like, damn,
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  Speaker 4: I ain't even do you know, I can understand that,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, So even if I go
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: it's like, damn, I never thought that would be a trigger,
• 12:48
  Speaker 4: but that was a trigger, So it could be a
• 12:51
  Speaker 4: multitude of things.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting though, because when I read the book,
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like you always had a level of self awareness,
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: Like even when you talk about going to get the
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: ice cream cone tattoo on your face, as you said
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: it was a cry for help. It was why you
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: felt like nobody heard you even when you were doing
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: all that, why you think nobody heard.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: Everybody thought it was like a marketing a marketing campaign.
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: Nobody Like I remember, I remember like the whole it
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: was like I had went to court. They told me
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: they had to go to a minial hospital, like because
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: I tried to say, like, you know, try to tell them,
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: like listen, some of the stuff I'm doing, I'm not
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: in my right mind when I'm doing it, and they
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: sent me to a minial hospital and then it went
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: on the media, and I feel just remember when they
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: start saying, like I got to go to a million hospital,
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: the embarrassment I feel, And then it's like maybe it
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: wasn't even two three, three, four days later that's when
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: I got the ice cream com tattoo. So if it
• 13:37
  Speaker 4: was almost like a cry for help. You see what
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, I can't explain. It's hard for me to
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: put it in words.
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying being Gucci man without me,
• 13:46
  Speaker 5: no one helped him because he's the artist. No one
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: is gonna say Gucci or not, well, Gucci, you need Mendis.
• 13:51
  Speaker 5: And they just keep on giving him the weed, giving
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: him the drugs, and he keep on keeping on. So
• 13:56
  Speaker 5: that's that was the problem. No one took the time
• 13:59
  Speaker 5: to like, damn dog, something's really wrong with you. Yeah,
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: that's how I came and after all of that, like
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: you need help.
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: And I'm telling back then, I used to be like,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: ain't nothing wrong with me?
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: And they going they kind of like when I'm saying
• 14:14
  Speaker 4: that the wrong me give me the weed.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: They like going with that.
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, Because I'm like, somebody put
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: something my drink or something like it's an excuse instead
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: of just saying Okay, no matter, I got a problem,
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: I need to fix it. It's almost like, you know,
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't have this problem? Why meets type shit? That's
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: how I feel, like, why it don't nobody else got
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: to deal with this but me? So I kind of
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: like I didn't want to accept it, you know what
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, because I felt like why I got to
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: deal with this? You know what I'm saying, Like why
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: I got to have this affliction? Why I can't be straight?
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: Why I got to have a mental health problem? Like
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: why I can't drink really like, why can't drink lean
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: and smoke like everybody else? Why if I drink the
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: lane to smoke, I got to be in the mental hospital.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: That's how I used to feel, and it probably it
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: felt like the people at the label didn't look at
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: you as a human being, like you were just the
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: artist that because you said after you got the itream
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: contact to one of them called you and said, man,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: you a genius. Yeah, and you was like, bro, I'm
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: trump going through.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: I was going with I'm like, damn, I never thought
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: that it Like when it went viral back then and
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: just everybody was talking about it, and then it didn't like.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: This was not my intention and I was not doing that.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: It was different, was like a cry for help.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: As a question, Keisha, do you wish you around when
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: when you know I look at Gucci and if you
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: really think about all the artists that he has touched
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: and could have signed, he could have been bigger than
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: any label out there. If you go through them, we
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: can go from from Thug to Waka, to the Migos
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: to the list goes on and on and on. Do
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: you think we had Walker Wago? Do you think if
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: I was there, I could have helped him build that
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: empire because he could have been really like an Atlanta death.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: Chair, a thousand person even like we had this conversation
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: many years ago. I said, Gucci, you just have to
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: accept that you're not well and fix it. Just accept it,
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: I said, people take towl all every day. Just take
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: your medication every day. You'll be fine. Just accept that
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: you're sick, fix it and you'll be okay. And absolutely
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: he had so many artists from back in the day,
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: and because of this, you know, they re signed with
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: other people or whatever the situation is. And it pisses
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: me off because none of them respects him, I don't
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: or give him the credit like Gucci signed me. Gucci's
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: the one that got me out the slum. Gucci's the
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: one that changed my life. None of them talks about that.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: Not one of them.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: Does that ball because it's a lot of artists that
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: are multi platinum that are still selling records that you
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: were the first person to give an opportunity to. We
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: can name the list of the list goes on and on.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I had to hold myself accountable.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: I got locked up.
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: I messed up the opportunity, you know what I'm saying.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: But I'm not saying that they don't have to pay me.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Hommuch.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it, you know what I'm saying. But it's
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: like that's part of how I was raised and just
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: who I am. I get fulfillment out of hipping artists,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I was reaching meant out to them, trying to help
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: them because I saw talent in them.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: And not just Southern artists, not just.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Artists, DJing whatever. That's just like who I am, you
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Like I'm an open door studio.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna bring people in I'm gonna work with the
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: up and coming. That's what I like to do. You
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: get what I'm saying. If it didn't work out where
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: it did because I got locked up, I got to say, hey,
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: I got myself locked up. You know, I messed that up.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: But since then I've been doing I've been doing well.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Since I got out, I've been on you know what
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, been a whole different. Everything been going good.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: I always wondered, did any of those artists reach out
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: when you were locked up and said, let me help?
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Damn, let me say this. Though he she said nope,
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: let me say this.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: It is still kind of like paying it forward because
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: when I got all those artists did come back and
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: do songs with me, you know what I'm saying.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: But when you get down, did they help?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: They didn't.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: They don't acknowledge him. He doesn't care or feel that way,
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: but from the outside looking in, they should acknowledge him.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: You know, I feel like.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Gucci gets looked at as a hip hop pillar, though
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's like, look, I feel like Gucci
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: gets his just do as an iconic figure and hip
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: hop and all the artists he put on no but
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: would you like to.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: See Key like I would like them, all of them
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: to acknowledge him, even if they win an award. Acknowledge
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: him because he gave you the stomping around.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Most people don't know Nicki Minaj came out of that
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: camp French Montana came half those people we know well.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Most people don't know that Migos meos stuff like.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Most people because they don't say it right.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I love I love the chapter Pills and postion too
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: because you said you feel guilty for making the song Pills,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: because you made a whole generation start getting high on pills.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: How do you rectify that guilt.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I can live with it now because it's like, it
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: is what it is, you know what I'm saying. But
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: back then, I know that I like made a lot
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: of people use drugs. I talked about drugs, druge drugs,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: drugs all through my music because that's what I was
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: on back then. And I'm just like, damn, I know
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I made a whole bunch of people think Pills was cool.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: I know that for a fact. You know what I'm saying,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: and that ain't nothing.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: I'm just super proud of, you know, But what can
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: I do it's in the past now.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And at the same time it was I was also
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a user too, so I was going going through it
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: with them.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: The interesting thing about that chapter two, you said that
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: your whole team didn't like that song.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: They didn't.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I'm old it was because I'm sure some of them
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: was on pills too, So what was it they didn't when.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: I first, like even when I had like one foot
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: the in, one foot out, A lot of my guys
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: who were hustling, We used to think I would like
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: my crew hustling, but it's they just think like pills
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that was like jacket stuff, you know
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. They're thinking, like, if you do coke,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: eat like a jacket, you take pills, you're a jacket.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: They all that was cool with with smoking weed, even
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: taking a drinking lane. They thought it was some jacket stuff, right,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: So they really they said, take away from the money,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying. So it's like, if you're
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: doing if you're taking pills, you supposed to be selling
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: the pills. So when I came out with pills, they
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: went with that. They was like, bro, what you making
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: a song about taking pills for me? Then the song
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: ended up blowing up, but they was like they didn't
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: like the song.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeap when you did Versus? Right, what was your mind
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: framed during Versus and Keisha when he you knew he
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: was doing versus against somebody that was his arch enemy
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: at the time, right, what was your mind frame because
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: you knew at any moment it could have went back.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Did you want him to do it?
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: I told him not to. I said, you're not doing that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: I said, I will pay you a million dollars not
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: to do this.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: She told me that, swear to God, like I pay
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: your million dollars not to do the verses. I'm like,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the verses.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: So how for people that don't know, how did that
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: verses come about? And what was your mind to do
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: the songs that you did in that moment, because I mean,
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I think everybody felt it watching and people that were
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: they were like, oh, this is gonna end up nasty.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm trying to think.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I heard I see in the interview with Jesus was
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: saying like if I do it Versus, I want to
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: do it with Gucci.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Right, So after that he had.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Hit me like, Bro, you heard Jesus say he wanted
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: to do a verse with you, would you do it?
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know if I do that.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to do no verse.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: I ain't really really do yet. Then he came back like, bro,
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: I think this would be big if.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: You do it. So next thing, you know, Swiss and
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Larry Jackson end up hearing me and we end up
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: doing say we're gonna do the verses right, And my
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: mind frame going into it was like it's going it was.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: I was excited about it, like because all the previous
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: verses were so big, So I'm like, man, it's dope.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's gonna be big for me.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Everybody gonna be like, my catalog gonna go up, people
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: gonna just so out looking.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: And I was excited about it.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: And oh, actually, Jesu said, he said here on Breakfast Club,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: he wanted to do it with you, but you turned
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: it down. That's what That's what that conversation was. That
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: was back in twenty twenty.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I don't think I turned it down. I don't think
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: I think I turned down during versus period. But I
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: was open to do the verses when they finally broke
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: it down to me like, Okay, this the business about it,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: this all this good can come out of it, and
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna do it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Did y'all think it was KESHI? You didn't want to
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: do it because you knew he could potentially have an episode.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: Of No, I just don't trust it. I don't know.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: God forbid Jesus go say the wrong thing and and
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: things pop off. I ain't got the time.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: Where were you when he was doing versus?
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: I was pregnant at home. No, he didn't want me there,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: so you were watching it. My hands was wet sweat,
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: and I'm nervous. I'm like, Lord, Jesus helped me.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: So what he did that song? What were you thinking
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: when he did that song? And what do you think
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: that did that song?
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: Like? Oh my, I'm just like this like every like
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: any normal person. I'm in the bed watching it like
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: everybody else.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: Scared And Jesus you said you were lucky that. I'm sorry,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: Sorry, Gucci you said that you were happy that Jeez
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: took the moment to kind of like kind of shift there.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I would say, in hindsight, I'm like I respect the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: way he did.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: What he said, you know what I'm saying, and uh,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: you know what he said made sense, you know what
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But at that moment, in the moment, like the heat
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of the moment.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking like I'm happy he said that. The
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: moment was just like, man, what is he talking about?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Let's get on to the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: what we're doing. I ain't. But when I look back
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: on and I'm like, that was smart. You know what
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. That was smart and it was deep.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Did y'all speak before, y'all diversity personal, y'all just speak
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: before here? How was that conversation with that the first
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: time y'all spoke throughout the years of Man one?
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: It was funny because we seen it, y'all on the airplane, right,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: he was sitting in my seat. God, that's the crazy jolly.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: He's sitting in my seat right. So I'm like, damn,
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I don't even want to talk to him. But I
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: got to tell the dude to get out my seat.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: So like I'm like, hey, man, you see, you got
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: to get out of my seat.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: But he see who it is.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: He like, well, I'm sitting in the same seat. Can't
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: you sit mom? Like, Nah, I can't sit in your seat.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: You just got to get up. There was the conversation
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: we had.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Product.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: If anybody else, you probably be like, God, go ahead,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I got you got to get up.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: You got to get up, And he don't want to
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: get up.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: I can't be cause my pro I can't my problem
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: won't let me say that you in my season.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I just okay, I'm gonna sit over here. Yeah, no,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: dog get up.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Probably won't allow him to be like manca man told
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: me to get up.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, he got up and moved. He got up and move.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: That's funny because I remember fifty y'all said the first
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: time they see each other was on a flight. They
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: were both It's like, you can't wild out in there,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: so you gotta be easy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: But No, in your first book, you said y'all had
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: dinner somewhere before.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: No, we we we met up at a restaurant.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we had met before, but I'm saying this
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: is how I got out. That was like, we met.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: At that restaurant way way back. That was like twenty
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: ten or something like that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: But you said y'all had decided if I remember correctly
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: in the book, you said y'all decided to squash the.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Beef then, but then we end up ended. I think
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: he saw each other at the club, Yes, and it
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: didn't go right? Yeah?
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: What is it like now?
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: Like have you guys spoken sense versus and you know
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: both of you are so evolved at this point.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I did the interview on Big Fast, and I'm like,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: it ain't really been no disrespect since then. Everybody everything cool,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: but you know we okay, okay.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Well make sure they okay?
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: Got you love it?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: In episode you call yourself a recovering mad man. Right,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you know what does madness look like to you today?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And how do you recognize it when they try to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: creep back in?
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Madness is like very evil side of me, you know,
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: it's very no compassion, no empathy, like void of just
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: of good.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: It's like empty eyes soulss Like I say the most
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: meanest things like That's why I said so embarrassing after.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: It was like god, like, I can't even believe I said.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: I've been saying stuff. I can't even think I know
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: how to curse and say.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: I've been going so deep in into the dungeon. I'm
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: talking about seriously that It's like, I'm so embarrassed about
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: what I said afterwards, Like that's that's what it madness,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Like it's it's you see how like when Kanye flip
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: out and he starts saying and.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: He just like go deep. I'm like that, it's just
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: getting bad.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Like she said, the only thing about it was my
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: wife been keeping it so like when I did have episode,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: nobody in the public side. But man, you know, I
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: just want to give grace and just say thank you
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: to all the people who close to me who had
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: to say some stuff too.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Y'all know I didn't mean it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: You know, what is madness? Looked like the UK when
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you see it creeping up in Google.
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: There was one time he stood outside for twenty four
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: hours at the door, just standing. I said, get inside. No,
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: I said, did somebody give you a cookie or lace it?
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: What is wrong with you? Because I'm not even catching on.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I just want to stand up out here, he said,
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: other twenty four hours. So I said, okay, there's an
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: episode coming. I wasn't that good of a pro yet.
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: So the episode came like a week or two after that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: So that was a sign, So you do you.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Have to just let him be in those moments, even
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: though you just standing outside. You just let him stand there.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: No now, No, I don't play with him now. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: I let him stand out there for the twenty four
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: hours even four or five am he out there? But
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: if he was to do that now or he going to.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: The hospital, do you kids break you out that episode?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Like when you see the kids, you're like, nah, he.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Has episode.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Like that would make me just.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Be so scared about Like that would scared me, Like
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: I cannot leveling my kids seeming like that, and I
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: can never not be well, like I'm not on point
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: to be needed to handle the business or raising the
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: baby like I'm you know what I'm saying, Like I
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: get them up for school every day. I can't be
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: in the hospital, you know what I'm saying. My little boy,
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: he can't even stand a day without me like that.
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: I miss you when I leave. So I just want
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: to be on point for my kids.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Do you miss old Gucci me? And when I say
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: old Gucci, I mean going out being in the studio
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: with your artists.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I kind of miss being It's only certain things from
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: like my manic behavior. That that's good, and that's like
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: I kind of like used to be in the studio.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I used to be way more productive, you know what
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. I work out two times a day. I
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: used to be I be restless, you know what I'm saying.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: So I do, like I ain't trying to like romanticize
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: that part about it, but this is a part about
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: this man that it makes you like super hard working,
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: like you don't even need sleep, you just stay in
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the studio. You just always so you're so prolific. It
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: probably it made me really prolific. So I do miss
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: that part. Like now I'm not just prolific. I don't
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: put out a hundred mistakes. I only put out one
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: album every two years. I'm not you know, I'm just
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: like a family man. Now, you know what I'm saying,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I'm slow down.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Do you like that better?
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: I love it Now he's normal.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: He's normal.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: I saw you say that. Going to East Atlanta sometimes
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: like triggers different episodes for you and you can talk
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: about that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: Were you about to say something.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: No, say it does trigger me going to Eastern Lita.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: What in writing this book?
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: What other things from your upbringing did you realize, like, oh,
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: that was one of my triggers? Are these episodes and
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: I didn't even know like family stuff or just you know,
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: stuff from.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Like young Yeah, like stuff with my mom triggers me.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: Uh we had like a screen relationship stuff for my
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: youth trigger man, you know. Oh and ships you know
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: that went soide. Ah, There's a lot of stuff can
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: be triggered. I get you know, some songs even tricker me,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: you know, just from like like you said, like I
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: screened relationships, like even hearing so icy.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I don't like hearing so icy.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of like a trigger state scrapped
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: would be a trigger, you know what I'm saying. Hearing
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: that like I got ten K on your bottom like
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: the wis side probably couldn't have took that, you know,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: like that would have triggered me.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: You don't do those songs.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: You don't do them songs.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: What trigger is you? Boy used to land on? What
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: is it? Burma Alabama?
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I would say East Atlanta, but I don't want to.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I don't want to.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: Bessmer kind of depresses me because it's like when you
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: go down there, it's so like it's like damn you
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It's it's like, damn, it's it's a tough place to
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: grow up at.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: And when I go back there, like it, Damn, that
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: made me cry just looking at the buildings and there.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Because you're from a small town like I'm from. It's
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: so small and rural and like you know, it's there's
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: no money down there, you know what I'm saying.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: So it just looked it feel dark.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: East Atlanta is just dangerous.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: It's still dangerous, is always gonna be dan It just
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: when I go there just make me change. It made
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: me like I just it, I almost turn into a
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: different person, Like the coners, the blocks, just I just
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: just reliving all the stuff I did on those blocks,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: you know, the people there. It's just I try to
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: stay away from triggers.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And you say, you're even reading the book and seeing
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: the effects that like systemic racism had on you, Like
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: watching the KKK, you know, March to Your Time? Is
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that still a trigger us?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: It kind of is? It is it is.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: I still like hold some of that stuff in me.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, That I seen when I
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: was young, from best one. That's why I kept my
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: label ten seventeen because I'm like, I don't.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Never want to forget.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Even though I was raised in Atlanta, people I always
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: associate me with Atlanta. I never want to forget, you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: the life I live there, and I never want to
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: forget like my family.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Then what they going through.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: You said during the Big Facts interview that the police
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: you feel like they still have it out for you
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: in Atlanta.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I feel like they did they did back when I
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: first got I feel like because they used to do
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: stuff like you know what I'm saying, Like I would
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: be when I first had got out of jail. I
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: would go places and the police would just run my name,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And then I was on probation,
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: So my probation, but I was like, hey, did you
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: go to such and such because the police ran your
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: name and there, like they were just trying to see
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: if I get They just they just it's just too much.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: So what do you tell artists like your thugs and
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: your little babies that probably feel the same way as you,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: You say it might be time to get to Atlanta.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I told the baby that I've been told the baby,
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: hey man, he might be too big for the city
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: might need to move, you know what I'm saying. I
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: never got a chance to tell a thug that, but
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: I definitely told baby that before because.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: He used to be there.
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: The baby used to be there just walking around like regularly,
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: like the grocery stores and everything.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: Because he's so comfortable that I got to comfort that,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: like even time I went. If I'm in Atlanta and
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: I have an episode, I go straight to my block
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: because I know that block like the back of my hand.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: I'm always like, I always go there.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: It's just like them for me. It's like it's two
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: for me for me, you know what I'm say saying,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: it's two for me. Sometimes something two for me for
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: you. You got to get away from that because it's too
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: much comfort there. It ain't no growth in comfort.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I need to be well.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Like I'm here to the count Plank, you cant get
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: held account of. If I go to Easter Atlanta Lane coming,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: we coming. All I got to do is just stand
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: on the block.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Keisha, how do you how
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: do you define recovery? Because you've seeing them matters worse
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and now you're seeing them at his best, So how
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: would you define recovery. For somebody that is dealing with
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: somebody who's trying to recover from their mental.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: Health issues, the first thing you need is medication. You
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: cannot it cannot go on medicated. And the quicker the better,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: because once they're medicated, they usually get better in like
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: two weeks. It's not it's not overnight. It's literally like
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: fourteen days for them to be back to normal. So
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: for him, like let's say he started his medication after
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: an episode. He started his medication today, right three days later,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: he was like, oh, my wife, you're so beautiful. I
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: could tell by his words that he's getting better. And
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: then tomorrow he might say and I'm like, oh shit,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: he's not better yet. Like I could just tell by
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: his tone.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Who do you talk to? Keis like, do you have
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a therapist?
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: No, I'm the therapist. He'll tell you. I'm like a
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: real therapist. I know how to speak to him. You
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: have to speak calm, you cannot scream. Sometimes you have
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: to agree with what he's saying. Like he'll say give
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: me five hundred grand and I'm like, okay, I don't
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: do it, but I say okay. Whatever he asks for,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: I say yes, But I don't do it, but you
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: can't go against them. So he'll text somebody and cuss
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: them out, and I'll go back to his phone and
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: I'll say, block him. He's having an episode. So I
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: just I'm just a clean up lady.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: I gotta say this.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Remember Julia greenwhile used to be the head of Atlanta,
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: I had an episode and said so much bad stud
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: of Judah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I said that.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: When I came from I said, listen, Judi, now, if
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: I text you anything crazy, block me for block me
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: and call me for two days and call my wife
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: because this episode comes because I ain't want to lose
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: My position is a label going through episode, and I'm like,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: if you just see, like, if you see like the
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: texts getting crazy, just block me because I don't want
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: to come tell you.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I start saying stuff so bad. It's like you can't
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: come back.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: From We've seen it before. Yeah, but how do you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: protect your peace though?
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: Like you because there has to be times where you
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: feel like the walls are just caving in because it's
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: so much and it's so personal for you.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Honestly, I during the moment, I'm kind of like stressed out.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: I'm a prayer warrior. I just pray and once he
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: starts getting better, honestly, I'm okay. And he doesn't stay
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: sick long. Like I said, it takes fourteen days to
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: get him back, and after like day three, he's already
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: come into his senses. But those deep episodes won't happen ever. Again,
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: we're in twenty five, so the last one was five
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: years ago. He had a mild one coming maybe two
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: years ago, and I caught it, So now I catch
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: them before they come. Like, people be saying stuff about him, like, oh,
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: he's soft, he's this. See that the mad man is
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: still there. So I tried my best. I don't want
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: them to provoke him because it will come back and
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: he's very dangerous. So y'all listen, please leave him alone
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: because the mad Max is still in the head.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When I when I saw young thugs say that,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: I was just like, man, you know, thug is just young?
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah no, no, no, Gucci ain't soft.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: He's just grown. He's grown.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: When did you when did you develop the trust for
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Kishi ky? All right, because it's not just a little
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: bit of trust, it's almost like you gave everything and
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: trusted that she was going to be there. For you,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: and she was.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: I knew she was a great woman, you know what
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, But I just wasn't. I wasn't there, you
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But once I went to jail
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: and like, some people had stole my money, you know
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So the rest of the I was
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: like it got to the point where I was like,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: the rest of the money I.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Got, I gave it to her. I'm like, because it
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: had I already had somebody steal, you know what I'm saying.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: So it's like I had nobody else to trust. You know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: I couldn't trust. I didn't even trust my mom, you
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So I'm like, they we take it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: She said, no, I don't want it. She said, don't
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: give it to me, find somebody else. I'm like the
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: only person I got to trust. So it was probably
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: when I got locked up and went through so many
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: and just and went through a betrayal.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Because you give her everything where it's like you trust
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: her with your life, with your business, with everything, and
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: most people will be so reluctant with that. And that's
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: also a lot of power for you because you know
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: that he trusts you so much.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: But you know that pops up on the timeline all
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the time. I forgot how much it was. This amount
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: of money.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: That was facts, that was facts.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: When he tried to give me money all the time,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I don't want it. I don't want it.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: She wouldn't take it for a long time, but until
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: until they stole the money.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, hey, I'm the one that found out.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: She found out, like.
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: All his businesses and stuff, I'm like, this one stolen
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: that one. Like I'm really good at business. So I'm like, hey,
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: you're being robbed, sir, And he's like, can you do it?
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: And I'm not getting it. I'm just letting you know.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: That's a Jamaica woman in you my wife. The same way,
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: then you send your wife to Curse Mount.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Did you tell Gucci you was going to invest the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: money or you just went and did it? And when
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: he came home, he was like, look what we got.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: No, I told him because I was doing stuff with
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: my own money, and he's like, just do it, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: I'm like but then he was like, just do it,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: and I did it and it worked out.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: So you also talk about in the book how you
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: was at in the Ward Show with Walker and you
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: was having an episode. Yes, what I loved about that
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: chapter you said when you sat down you just felt
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: shame in that moment, I did, What's something you learned,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: like in the process of you healing that you just
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: now viewed with compassion instead of.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Judgment about myself.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Mmm, I'm trying to think it used to be hard
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: on myself, like kind of like well said, like damn,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: I should have this big death jam label and you
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But then I had to give
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: myself to like listen, you went through a lot. Just
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: be okay, you still got you still got.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: A great career. You know what I'm saying. You still
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: make money, You're still doing good. But yeah, at first
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I used to be hard on myself about that.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Do you still beat yourself up like you was sitting
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in there Award Show ashamed of what you did? Do
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: you ever just be like, damn, man, maybe I need
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to pick up the phone and call this person, because what.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: You think everybody? I apologize to everybody. I really did.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like you know, like aa me,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: they tell you, hey, call everybody back, that you ever
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: wrong That's how I approached. When I got out, I
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: really was like I wanted everybody to like know I
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: was sorry that you know what I'm saying. You know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I still don't want to like use mental health as
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: not being accountable for what I said because some of
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: that stuff I wasn't going through the episode. I say
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: that stuff that was wrong and that you want Leveyody
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: know like I'm wrong, I'm sorry, you know what I mean.
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: I thought it was hearing you talk about why you
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: called young thugs so quick when he dropped the miss
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: my dogs because you understood what that apology like you
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: were there. I thought that was like really, we played
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: this morning on air, and it was really great to
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: hear what was y'all conversation?
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Like I didn't call him, I just forget. I just
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, I forgive.
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: So y'all didn't actually talk. Oh wow, so he found
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: out you forgive him on that interview.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: He reached out tea since the interview.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: To be honest, he was like, he hit me like,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: let's let's let's talk, but I ain't really want to talk.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: But I do forgiven. I just didn't want to talk.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand I'm the same way I can forgive you,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: but I still there's certain times I.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Just I just don't need you just do with that?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Do you mind being the OG? And the reason I
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: say that is is you look at the Landa. You
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: see everything that a Landa's going through. Gucci is that
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: one person that can stop it? Or I think because
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: every artist in Atlanta respects you, do you do you
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: mind that that label as the OGI that can do that?
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: Or you just say, you know what I do? You
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like I've been in the game
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: twenty years now, so like I embraced that. You know,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: I'm not the high artists trying to drop off, you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: the hottest single every year and do all that. You know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: I want to be the person that they can come
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: to and talk to.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Would you want to do that with everything that's going
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: on in Atlanta?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I would?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I would.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: I feel like if they would come to me, but
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: they don't want to come. I feel like people don't
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: come to me for advice because it's like even with
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: my own art, it's like a lot of them, you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: don't come to me because it's like talking to your dad.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: I ain't got nothing but positive to say. I'm trying
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: to lead by example, and I'm gonna tell you like,
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't. So they don't even
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: want to talk to me.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: They would, they'd love to talk to old Gucci.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: I want to talk to cause Gucca ain't really gotten
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: thating going on. He go to sleep at eight thirty,
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: like you know nothing, and you do y'all.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Every once in a while the pictures come out and
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: say Gucci's a clone. Did that make y'all laugh? Or
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: do y'all die laughing when y'all see the clone Gucci?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't used to like it at first.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: When I first got out, I felt like it's discredited
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: everything that I happened, working so hard to do, you
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I felt like people was hating
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: saying I was a clone instead of saying yeah, I
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: didn't like it. Yeah, it died down now. But when
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: I first got out, I ain't gonna used to be annoying.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I just be like, it's so lame.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Did you talk Did you talk to Oja? Yeah about
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: what you was gonna put in the book.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, I talked. I talked o j yesterday. That's my dog.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about it?
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: He loved it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: I told him, I like, oh, y'all want you to
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: be a part of the book. I want you to
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: have your own chapter in the book. I want you
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: to tell your story because I feel like I would
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: see him doing a bunch of podcasts telling his story,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, I'm gonna use my platform, use my
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: book so Juice can tell his story even more.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: Because that's like my best like one of my best
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: friends since I was nine years old. Yeah, we used
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: to pick up cans together. You know what I'm saying,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: that's my dog.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: And you start, like I said, you start the book
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: talking about one of your newer artists, and you start
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: in the book talking about you know, oj What were
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the similarities you think?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Just two people that are close to me.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, That mean a lot to me,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: losing Scar with something that like I wanted to use
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: that to help other people because it's just that's still
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: like I still ain't okay from that, you know what
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, And OHI have been going through a lot
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: and I just wanted to show him like, I just
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: want to show him a little.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: What emotional release did Did writing this book give you
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: that music couldn't.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: I'm so I'm more proud of this book than I'm
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: probably in the album I ever put out, because, like
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: you said, it's kind of like talking about stuff that
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: I used to be kind of like, UH had a
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: stigma of you know what I'm saying, you got mental health?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: You crazy. It's like I used to be embarrassed about.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: Some of these situations, and I think used to want
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: to talk about it. But now I'm confident and talking
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: about it because I know that I can help somebody else.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: And it's like I don't even feel I don't feel
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: no shame no more.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: And the conversations that you've been having recently, you know,
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: have you begin to help people in that space where
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: you're like, yo.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I did it? Like everybody people.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: I did a book signing in Atlanta and a lot
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: of folks are coming up to me saying, hey, you know,
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: thank you for this book. I've been sober eight years,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Thank you for this book. You know I got bipolar.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Thank you for this book.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: My friend.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, be going through episodes like
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: I was getting a lot of it, and it felt
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: good to feel that love.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, It really did.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Are you still surprised about the love? I heard you
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: say something. You were in Miami doing a book signing
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: and you were surprised about how many people came up
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: to me and asked for an autograph for your book.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: But then I'm thinking about it, I'm like, you just
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: did South Carolina comee coming that with sold out. You
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: just did this show that was sold out show, Like.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: It's different when they come up like with that book.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: I don't know why, but it's like the book signing
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: saying when they saying about your book. You know, I've
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: been rocking with you since I was in junior high.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: You know you got me through college. Like it just
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: the energy, it was like it made me feel I
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: ain't felt that in a long time. You know, like
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: touching the people, shaking their hand, taking the selfie with them.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: It's like when you do that at about two three
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: hundred people and they're telling you that you can't do
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: nothing but feel good.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. You're like a mythical figure to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a whole generation. You got sexy red calling yourself the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Female Gucci Man South Carolina State. Them kids asked for you. Yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: like I've seen the lists. I'm like, I don't even
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: know who that is. It was about five. I'm like,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know who these people are, but they're like, oh,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Gucci man, I know Gucci, Like they wanted you at
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: South Carolina States? How did that make you feel? On
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: the whole generation? And how that feel good? Feel good?
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: When I go through these, I've been doing a lot
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: of college I do Northfolk State on Tuesday, But like
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: every time.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I go to the college in there, like the kids
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: know all the words. You know what I'm saying.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: The nineteen years old It's like, bro, you still touching
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: people nineteen years old?
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: They know this song?
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: They singing songs that came out of two thousand and five,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: two thousand six.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: How old were out in? So that feel good?
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Did you? How make you feel keuchy when you see
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: sexy Red call yourself the female Gucci?
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: I love it.
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: I love when younger artists pay homage to him, like
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: I be in the background, like when people don't pay
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: homage to him or chet respect, I be mad. He
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: don't get mad or whatever. But I watch everything online
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: and I analyze it and if and anybody go against him,
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: I'm going against them too.
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: I was going to ask does the book because you said,
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: you know, seeing people come up to you with the book,
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: it's like a great feeling for you. Does the book
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: make you feel like a superhero versus like music didn't?
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: Because we talked about like our og like rappers being
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: like superhero sis, which a lot of people I feel
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: like they look at you that way.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: I'm super proud of being the author. You know what
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. I read a lot of books.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I read. People just don't write it about me, But
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I read a ton of books. You know what I'm saying.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: I probably read two three books a month.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Big Macolm glad Wolf, you
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a huge.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Big knock glad Well fan. You know what I'm saying.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: He just did a book range at a type of
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: point that I read that I love.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: But I'm proud of being the author because I love books,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: and so it's like it's a different thing to being
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: a rapper. You know what I'm saying. I want to
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: make some more books. I like being a prolific art
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to have more bus than Charlemagne.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got three yet I want to, I really do,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, people who have to deal with
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: those of us with mental health issues don't t stories enough.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's harder being me than him going
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: through an episode because it's scary, like like we had
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: a condo where we were on like the Penthouse, and
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: I'm like, shit, is he gonna jump? Is the voice
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: gonna tell him to jump? Like that's the scary part,
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: not me being scared of him hurting me. So like
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: during episodes, I make sure no one is around him
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: with guns, knives, high buildings. But he wouldn't leave that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: That's where I had to kidnap him from. He would
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: not leave there. He wouldn't come to the house, and
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: I'm like, shit, I had to get like a babysitter
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: for him because he hated me different episodes. He hate
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: different people that if you have an episode where he
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: hates me, that's a problem. He hated me. He wouldn't
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: come home. He got the damn balcony, and I'm like,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: is the voice gonna tell him? I can't sleep at night?
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: I have to What is he doing now did he
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: eat today? Like I have to play games with his
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: friends from Atlanta who he want to be with, and
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: and then I'm like, don't give him any we throw
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: it in the garbage. They called me back, Oh he
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: needs read I gave him we today. I said, no,
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: you didn't. You know, like stuff like that. It's hard.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: It's so so, so so stressful, like you want to cry.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: And I cannot read that book. It's too sad, it's
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: too much for me. It's too I don't read it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: I read probably like three pages and I had to quit.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: What about what about You? When you got to relive
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: all of it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Made me a big almost made me cry. And this
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: book almost made me crying, almost made him cry.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: I book was putting Hi through an episode that I
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: caught it got day one.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: So revisiting the trauma, yes, it puts him back.
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: But I can't las especially the best Alabama part is
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: like damn that take me back there?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: It's like then I started thinking about, you know, when
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: I was young, my granddad and my mom like damn,
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: we was poor, and I'm like, I don't. I don't
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: think about that no more. You know what I'm saying,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: that was like, I know we were poor, but it
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: ain't like that. Not Well, when you go back to
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: think about it, like damn man, the racist as time,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: poor as hell, you know, staying with my granddad, me
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: and my mom my brother's like, we ain't have shit,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: we ain't have shit.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: So how do you protect yourself while revisiting that druma
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and on that press run and how do you protect them? Kisi?
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Well, the press run doesn't bother him. It's just like
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: when he was writing the book, because he has to
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: keep saying these things over and over and over. And
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: actually this was my idea. I was like, you need
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: to do a movie called episode and let people know
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: what's going on. I said, I can tell you everything
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: you've done through your episodes because he doesn't remember. And
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: I was telling him how to make the movie.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: And that's how that's how we started the book, because
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: she told me to make a movie as soon as.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: You have the episode. I was like this, people need
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: to see this, I said, I said, you don't have
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: to use your name. Let's just say you said.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: You know that if you ever seen that movie that
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: is about mental health withing she I seen a movie
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: about mental health with Dona Ross and you need to
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: do a movie about Elvis.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: That's how it went, but I can't remember.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: It's like old Dona Ross play Billy Holliday and they
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: say Bill how they had mental health issues.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: She saw that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: She saw that movie and then she was like, you
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: need to make make a move about yourself with the episodes.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, did you ever have to tell Kathy you need
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: a break? Like, yo, man, let's take a break.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: No, I ain't never tell her. I just I just
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: ain't gonna lie with therapeutic. I liked doing it.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I was having fun doing it because it was like
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: even like okay, when I was talking to Rocco and
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: talking to Juice and they were telling me the stuff
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: that I did, I had to tell them like, Bro,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: I don't remember. I was like Rock, like you don't
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: remember what was in Vegas and you had told me
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: to come to the room.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I told you that.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like Rock, I'm telling you, I don't remember.
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: I was going through episode done.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: He's like, damn, Bro, for real, he didn't he didn't know.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: Of course he didn't know, you know, and man, I
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: would have never let you in the studio. They got
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: done in that house. You know, he's so sanctified him
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: and his family. It's like, you don't bring that over
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: they house. They like the church. The house is like
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: going to church. You know what I mean. You don't
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: bring drugs there, you don't bring beef there, you don't
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: bring nothing.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Now, you just come there with good intentions. It's all good.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: It's a bit. It's a that's when you see like
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: that family unit. You see that in say house. You
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. You see somebody.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: You see a mother and a father who really care
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: about their child, which is they in the game. A
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: whole basement studio right there for him to create with
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: his friend.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Like you can't even bring that over there.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: But you could tell he loved you though, because he
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: she would answer every call. You would come over and
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: he'd be like, man, what's wrong with you?
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: Say one of my that's one of my best friends
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: ever like that, Like I love saying for that. Like
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: he always opened his doors for me. He knew I'd
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: be going through stuff, like he never held it against me.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: He always room for me. Like if anybody ever had
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: my back, like far as music, like they had my back.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to ask you what was What is
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: your vice now right? Is it working out? Is it
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: the family? Is it praying?
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: What's what gets you away there?
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Before working out?
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: It's a vice working I work out six six days
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: out the week, sometimes two times, two times a day.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: That definitely helps with the mental health.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: Shopping not really shocking. I don't shop. I don't even like.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I don't even buy cars like I used to buy
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: cars every year, like you know, swishing my life. Now
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I ain't about a cart since twenty twenty. I just
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: got one founder and I take the kids to school
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: in the fountal.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: That was in the book. You said something. I'm like,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: there's no way. You said you used to spend just
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: as much money on drugs as cars, and you did.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Man, lean used to be so high. I used to be.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I used to have so much.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: We remember, like I got a studio, I got all
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: the artists, so I would supply everybody. I got lean
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: and weed for us. That's why they never used to
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: leave the studio. They come over there as you're like
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: a part of the house.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Then when I go there, the lean is in juice.
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: It's not allowed to drink around me.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Switch it up, so I put it in a juices.
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: What if I was to drink it, You don't drink juice.
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: I was being strict black men because when I go there,
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, she's here. Put the leading up. But
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: now that we didn't live together then, but now he
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: I mean he would never.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: But wow, we all married the beautiful black woman and
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I want gucci. You tell me how important is it
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: to have a good woman. Man.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: It's the most important thing you can have, the best
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: decision you can make. My best decision ever was to
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: marry her and be with her.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: I got somebody to, you know, hold me accountable, and
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I got somebody you know, watch TV with. Sometimes that's
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: all you want to do, cheer bro. I'm kind of like, don't.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: I don't really need a lot.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: Like we're just like best friends and we just home
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: just chilling and we everything we do we have it
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: in common with, like the same food, the same shows.
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: We both.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Like to.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: I want to say, you know, watching y'all, like from Afar,
• 50:59
  Speaker 7: you You've been so strong throughout all of this. We
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: would have never known how much you were taking on
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: because you also have like the businesses you were doing
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: at the same time, like, did you do you feel
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: because there's a whole like lane of women who do
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: like the makeup like Keisha Kor and the because of
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: the products that you were doing. Do you feel that
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: impact as well while holding all this down? Do you
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: feel that for yourself?
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: Sometimes?
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: No, I'm really strong, you know, and I still still
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: do my makeup. I still have my company. Still, I
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: still do everything. I I have like a schedule, I
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: have everything down that I do daily, and I still
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: do it even during his episodes. I still get myself how.
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: You did all of this because cosmetics literally influenced such
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: a generation, the hairstyles, the clothing, like and people, I
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: mean people know, but I don't know if they talk
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: about that enough with you. But then you're also holding
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: down all this stuff as well too, Like God, bless you.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: I thank you and thank you God.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Do you think you're healing journeys over?
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: I know, even like we talk about from the verses
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: to now, like I knew I'm mature to lie from
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, I'm still growing and
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: it's in a good way, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: don't really nothing get me mad?
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: No, more.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like I don't hold on
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: to petted beast, I don't hold on to grievances. I
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: don't care about slights. I ain't used to be like that,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Now It's like I'm in
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: a real calm space though. You know, but it ain't
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: even that's just who I am now, It ain't who
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to be.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, That's where I've grown to be.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: If you can redefine what it means to be real
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: in hip hop culture, what new code would you give
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: that this new generation?
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Oh man, I let them know, like they talking about
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: their hood, but the best hood is fatherhood.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: That's what you know, That's what I'm most proud of.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: I love I love being in called dad. You know,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: I love being a present dad. That's like I didn't
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: even know that it was. There's so much joy and
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: raising kids that it is. But you know what I'm saying,
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Like raising the family has changed me. It has changed
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: for the better.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Man. It's interesting. Have you spoken like other artist thing
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: are on the healing journey, Like we had Little John
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: up here, you can see the trend, you know, seeing
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: that he on his healing journey. You know, even people
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: like Giez do y'all Do y'all speak about that? How
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: far y'all come?
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: Probably like me and Zay Mike will Mitte. Yeah, we
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: just spoke about that.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: So what does peace feel like for you? Right now?
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Peace feels like just you know, renting my label, being
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: with my family, ah, being content with what I did
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: in the industry, you know what I'm saying, and just
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: keep building.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: I love it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: What does peace feel like for you? Keisha?
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: I like to see him well, I don't like to
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: see him like stressed out. That's why in my interview
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: with Carlos, I said, only think he got to do
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: a shower and go to the studio. I don't allow
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: him to do anything else because I don't want him
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: he can't handle stress, because stress is a trigger and
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: stress brings on episodes. So I don't allow any stress.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: He just be calm, wake up, go to bed early,
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: take care of the kids, go to the studio, and
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: that's it.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, they criticized you about that, but
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: I think people don't understand because they're not in a
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: good union, right.
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: But I think reading the book and hearing the journey
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: that you guys have been on behind the scenes that
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: a lot of people didn't know about. I was sitting
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: here thinking, like you, you created a safe space for him.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: And he didn't want that either. He wanted to go
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: back to Atlanta, and I'm like, going where. You got
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: another house in Atlanta and I refuse to go there
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: with him, So like, I have to just put my
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: foot down. So we got rid of that.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I never would go to the house.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: And if I go to Atlanta, I stay in a hotel.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: We're not living here. It's not this is not good
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: for you.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say they got on you for that,
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: but like I said, people don't understand union, right. And
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: the reason I say that is I'm sure Gucci's whole
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: thing is I want to make sure my wife is good.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I want to make sure my family is good. I
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: want to protect them from the outside there. But as
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: a wife, you're the total opposite. I want to make
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: sure he's okay. I want to make sure he's not
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: gonna have Stressful'm gonna makeure im, want to make sure
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: he can work and whatever it takes to do that.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: That's what the wife does. That's what my wife does,
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: that's what his wife does. But that's what a union is.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: And most people who don't have a union.
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: They don't get it. And every marriage relationship is different.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: You might have a relationship where you have to take
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: care of your wife, but I have to. My husband
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: takes very good care of me. I'm not neither or
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: want for anything, but I have to take care of
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: him first because he has mental health issues.
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: I don't. I'm stronger than he is.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: Well, the biggest thing we appreciate you for joining us.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: I just want to say, the biggest thing that made
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: me so happy. When you see Gucci talking about his kids,
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know, if you see the smile on his
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: you start a smile, start grinning. He like, I can't
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: wait to get back and get to my son.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: Like that is the biggest thing I see him right now, He'll.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Leave you feel like a generational curse breaker.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I know. My little boy. He gonna inherit
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: all this, He got so much, he so turned up.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Trust, ain't nothing wrong with it.
• 56:00
  Speaker 6: You know he said it with a smile.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: That's right, man, Go get episodes Right Now Man and
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Diary of a Recovering Man. Man, this is there's some
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: books that are good. This is good, but it's also important.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: Man, it's important.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: My album today to Man's.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Episode, I ain't even get that.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't get to Let's get to a joint off
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: the album. What you want to hear of the album?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Voices?
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Voices? It's Gucci, Man, thank you so much for joining us. Now, Gucci,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: I know you don't come out but every couple of years,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: but you gotta come back. I know every one while
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: you have to come back.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I want to brother.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you used to listen to Breakfast Clive in the
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: morning when you work out. Don't know if you still do,
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: but you gotta come back.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: I listen to y'all every day before I go to
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: the gym, and not my favorite part is the Positive Today.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: He loves that all you're positives.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: Soon as I'm going to the gym, we around the gym.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: We listen to y'all. But it's like the Positive Today
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: ain't stopped. Let me hear what he's saying.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: It's the Breakfast Club, Good Morning
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Every day week Click up the breakfast club, y'all.